It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue, Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman the Pot Brothers at Law. We are the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis.

It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue, Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman the Pot Brothers at Law. We are the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis.

Hello and welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one. Mo name is Blue.

Hello and welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one. Mo name is Blue.

Alongside of him is the world famous Pot Brothers in Law and mister Big Joe Grande and you are now too to the greatest cannabis show in the universe, in.

Alongside of him is the world famous Pot Brothers in Law and mister Big Joe Grande and you are now too to the greatest cannabis show in the universe, in.

The world, I say the galaxy. This time we're getting bigger.

The world, I say the galaxy. This time we're getting bigger.

I think you're all correct.

I think you're all correct.

Hey, well, we have an amazing show for you guys today. And Joe, why don't you let him know what's going down?

Hey, well, we have an amazing show for you guys today. And Joe, why don't you let him know what's going down?

Well, thank you everyone for listening to our podcast, Cannabis Talk one oh one on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Make sure you check out our Instagram pages for the daily news, learn the script, learn the slam poem, and all that and more about our personal lives at Cannabis Talk one oh one, at Pot Underscore Brothers Underscore at Underscore Law, and at Wasslaw. His little brother Mark Washerman at Wasslaw is Big Brother Craig Washerman at one, Christopher Right is blue, and I am at Joe Broande fifty two. And today we have a very special guest with us. You guys. His name is Legendary, hence Frank the Legend Shamrock my legend. He is a CEO, keynote speaker, he does TV phil producer. He's a martial arts master, yes he is, but most of us remember him as one bad motherfucker. I mean, this dude would just ground and pound you. Frank Shamrock was the first to hold the UFC Middleweight championship and retired a four time defending undefeated champion. Frank Shamrock was the number one ranked pound for pound UFC fighter in the world during his reign as the UFC Middleweight Champion. Frank Shamrock, it's always great to have you and talk with you again. Brother. How are you.

Well, thank you everyone for listening to our podcast, Cannabis Talk one oh one on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Make sure you check out our Instagram pages for the daily news, learn the script, learn the slam poem, and all that and more about our personal lives at Cannabis Talk one oh one, at Pot Underscore Brothers Underscore at Underscore Law, and at Wasslaw. His little brother Mark Washerman at Wasslaw is Big Brother Craig Washerman at one, Christopher Right is blue, and I am at Joe Broande fifty two. And today we have a very special guest with us. You guys. His name is Legendary, hence Frank the Legend Shamrock my legend. He is a CEO, keynote speaker, he does TV phil producer. He's a martial arts master, yes he is, but most of us remember him as one bad motherfucker. I mean, this dude would just ground and pound you. Frank Shamrock was the first to hold the UFC Middleweight championship and retired a four time defending undefeated champion. Frank Shamrock was the number one ranked pound for pound UFC fighter in the world during his reign as the UFC Middleweight Champion. Frank Shamrock, it's always great to have you and talk with you again. Brother. How are you.

I'm doing great, nice to be here.

I'm doing great, nice to be here.

It's good to have you on it.

It's good to have you on it.

Before we chop it up with you and talk about cannabis in this article I just read with you talking about how you use cannabis throughout your whole career. I want to throw a question around the room, is all of us are in different places. Frank, you're in the Bay Area. I'm assuming correct. Well, thanks for calling and checking in and hanging out, and I appreciate that, you asshole. But we're all in our separate homes in southern California as well. But what do we all miss about COVID nineteen? I mean, it's it's getting deep now. We've been months inside the house, months doing our show remotely, and let's start with you.

Before we chop it up with you and talk about cannabis in this article I just read with you talking about how you use cannabis throughout your whole career. I want to throw a question around the room, is all of us are in different places. Frank, you're in the Bay Area. I'm assuming correct. Well, thanks for calling and checking in and hanging out, and I appreciate that, you asshole. But we're all in our separate homes in southern California as well. But what do we all miss about COVID nineteen? I mean, it's it's getting deep now. We've been months inside the house, months doing our show remotely, and let's start with you.

Markare at what point, you know, do you want to just say screw it and let me just live my life? How are you feeling? What do you miss the most?

Markare at what point, you know, do you want to just say screw it and let me just live my life? How are you feeling? What do you miss the most?

Well, you know what I'm I'm almost almost at that point, but you know, I'm still listening to the health and safe the health experts and the science scientists and everything. But that question, what do I miss most? You know, there's there's so much. There is so much, but to pick one thing. I really thought about it. And every Saturday prior to this, every Saturday night, without fail, me and my wife go to dinner at a place called the Blue Water Grillet, away from the kids, just us, and we've I don't even know how long we've done that.

Well, you know what I'm I'm almost almost at that point, but you know, I'm still listening to the health and safe the health experts and the science scientists and everything. But that question, what do I miss most? You know, there's there's so much. There is so much, but to pick one thing. I really thought about it. And every Saturday prior to this, every Saturday night, without fail, me and my wife go to dinner at a place called the Blue Water Grillet, away from the kids, just us, and we've I don't even know how long we've done that.

It's been so long.

It's been so long.

We do every Saturday night, and uh that that's something that I really really miss that I'm looking forward to.

We do every Saturday night, and uh that that's something that I really really miss that I'm looking forward to.

Uh, you know your.

Uh, you know your.

Wife doesn't listen to the podcast, right, so you don't need to score brownie points, Mark.

Wife doesn't listen to the podcast, right, so you don't need to score brownie points, Mark.

Oh no, actually, actually she will listen to this one because this morning we got into a fight.

Oh no, actually, actually she will listen to this one because this morning we got into a fight.

So make sure this is it. Hey, life is life.

So make sure this is it. Hey, life is life.

Oh come on, we're we're in quarantine with our spouses for how long? I mean, somebody out there saying they haven't gotten a fight with their with their spouse bs.

Oh come on, we're we're in quarantine with our spouses for how long? I mean, somebody out there saying they haven't gotten a fight with their with their spouse bs.

Oh yeah, yeah that is What about you, Blue?

Oh yeah, yeah that is What about you, Blue?

What do you miss the most?

What do you miss the most?

You know what I missed being naked in public?

You know what I missed being naked in public?

Nice?

Nice?

Nobody else does, no, you know what?

Nobody else does, no, you know what?

Honestly, man, I I enjoy you know, going out, you know, and it's been it's been ridiculous that we haven't been able to, you know, go to certain places. And it's just just the simple things, man, going out to dinner, hitting a movie, just doing the basics. I really I really found out how much I enjoyed that kind of stuff now that this has happened.

Honestly, man, I I enjoy you know, going out, you know, and it's been it's been ridiculous that we haven't been able to, you know, go to certain places. And it's just just the simple things, man, going out to dinner, hitting a movie, just doing the basics. I really I really found out how much I enjoyed that kind of stuff now that this has happened.

So it's the small things for me.

So it's the small things for me.

Man I hear that, Craig, before we find out what you missed the most? Redou need an update on the laps. As I keep reading on your ig, people keep commenting how many laps is he's swimming now as we've been following you on this quarantine, as you started swimming your laps, Frank Shrmrock just let you know. You know our friend and brother here, Craig Washerman. He's the oldest of the group. He's at, you know, fifty eight years old, and he started swimming laps at a swimming pool.

Man I hear that, Craig, before we find out what you missed the most? Redou need an update on the laps. As I keep reading on your ig, people keep commenting how many laps is he's swimming now as we've been following you on this quarantine, as you started swimming your laps, Frank Shrmrock just let you know. You know our friend and brother here, Craig Washerman. He's the oldest of the group. He's at, you know, fifty eight years old, and he started swimming laps at a swimming pool.

He started at three laps he was able to do.

He started at three laps he was able to do.

So.

So.

Now, Craig, where are you at with your laps? Before we hear what you missed most about COVID.

Now, Craig, where are you at with your laps? Before we hear what you missed most about COVID.

Nineteen twenty five laps?

Nineteen twenty five laps?

Wow?

Wow?

Yeah, it's and it's a cool I mean, the COVID thing has been a mixed a mixed bag blessing in disguise type thing because I haven't had this pool for literally twenty five years, and I just go in it and I get out of it. I don't swim in it. And since his COVID things started, I've been I started doing the laps and working my way up or walking two miles a day, So I mean, it's it's been a blessing on that end. Of it, as far as getting back into getting into shape and getting my cardio up and even though my old joints are all fucked up, that swimming is the best. What I miss most, I got a It's like blue man. It's just it's the little things. It's I know what it really is. It's tough. It's the fucking hugs. You can't hug, you know. It's it's brutal, and it's just weird when you see somebody. We went on a motorcycle ride this weekend. We actually was really cool. One of our brothers friends in Wittier's daughter just got back from Chalk from brain surgery and she was recovering and they put together a caravan. So there's all these cars going by with balloons and we were on our We had about twenty motorcycles that went by her. And you just you can't stop and hug anybody or say anything, or you know, you can't get too close. You gotta wear the mask. And I don't know, I think that's a huge one, is just not being able to walk up and go, hey, give me that hug.

Yeah, it's and it's a cool I mean, the COVID thing has been a mixed a mixed bag blessing in disguise type thing because I haven't had this pool for literally twenty five years, and I just go in it and I get out of it. I don't swim in it. And since his COVID things started, I've been I started doing the laps and working my way up or walking two miles a day, So I mean, it's it's been a blessing on that end. Of it, as far as getting back into getting into shape and getting my cardio up and even though my old joints are all fucked up, that swimming is the best. What I miss most, I got a It's like blue man. It's just it's the little things. It's I know what it really is. It's tough. It's the fucking hugs. You can't hug, you know. It's it's brutal, and it's just weird when you see somebody. We went on a motorcycle ride this weekend. We actually was really cool. One of our brothers friends in Wittier's daughter just got back from Chalk from brain surgery and she was recovering and they put together a caravan. So there's all these cars going by with balloons and we were on our We had about twenty motorcycles that went by her. And you just you can't stop and hug anybody or say anything, or you know, you can't get too close. You gotta wear the mask. And I don't know, I think that's a huge one, is just not being able to walk up and go, hey, give me that hug.

That is a tough one. What about you, Frank, What do you miss the most? Since COVID nineteen's taken over.

That is a tough one. What about you, Frank, What do you miss the most? Since COVID nineteen's taken over.

I missed just hanging out, hanging out in the backyard, hanging out with friends, barbecue and just chilling. And I finally finished up the spiding career. I finally retired. I got all this time in the world, and now I got nothing to do. I got nothing to do. I'm just sitting with myself, going, damn, this did not work out like I thought it was gonna.

I missed just hanging out, hanging out in the backyard, hanging out with friends, barbecue and just chilling. And I finally finished up the spiding career. I finally retired. I got all this time in the world, and now I got nothing to do. I got nothing to do. I'm just sitting with myself, going, damn, this did not work out like I thought it was gonna.

Work out all the time, and nowhere to go. Maye, what about you, Joe?

Work out all the time, and nowhere to go. Maye, what about you, Joe?

I actually missed the most, you know, with me having a five year old little boy and a seven year old girl, we're always doing something on the weekend sports wise with them, and both of their baseball's goten stopped. The basketball stop, so it just sucked not being able to go to these games. And these games are you know, they do more than just me being able to watch my kids play. I get to see my kids friends and we're friends with the kids' parents, so.

I actually missed the most, you know, with me having a five year old little boy and a seven year old girl, we're always doing something on the weekend sports wise with them, and both of their baseball's goten stopped. The basketball stop, so it just sucked not being able to go to these games. And these games are you know, they do more than just me being able to watch my kids play. I get to see my kids friends and we're friends with the kids' parents, so.

It's like all in one.

It's like all in one.

I get to hang out with these guys that I go golfing with now and b bs with around the neighborhood. So it's that camaraderie of doing things with my kids that I found that I missed the most, because you know, I can hang out with the guys and still hang out with the kids and watch them have a great time and watch.

I get to hang out with these guys that I go golfing with now and b bs with around the neighborhood. So it's that camaraderie of doing things with my kids that I found that I missed the most, because you know, I can hang out with the guys and still hang out with the kids and watch them have a great time and watch.

Them play sports.

Them play sports.

There.

There.

We're just gonna start doing some more jiu jitsu.

We're just gonna start doing some more jiu jitsu.

We just got an email to the day saying the jiu jitsu class by the house opened up, so we're like, yes, we can get them out of the house and go do that. So God willing and I'll be able to go check that out. But they're only doing private classes, so we'll see how that works out, but it's always good. We're gonna come back and talk more with Frank Shamrock, the Legend, So let's break real quick, and I'm gonna get on his ass because I didn't know he lived in LA. That's bullshit.

We just got an email to the day saying the jiu jitsu class by the house opened up, so we're like, yes, we can get them out of the house and go do that. So God willing and I'll be able to go check that out. But they're only doing private classes, so we'll see how that works out, but it's always good. We're gonna come back and talk more with Frank Shamrock, the Legend, So let's break real quick, and I'm gonna get on his ass because I didn't know he lived in LA. That's bullshit.

It's Frank.

It's Frank.

I won.

I won.

Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one on one.

Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one on one.

On the show today, we got a special guest with us, Frank the Legend Shamrocks. He was the first to hold the UFC middleweight championship and retire a four time defending undefeated champion. Now, Shamrock was number one ranked pound for pound UFC fighter in the world during his reign as the UFC middleweight champion. Frank just recently set in an article from the Growth Up magazine or online maggot it was that I read it is I just found cannabis was a wonderful pain reliever, and he used it his entire sports career. All of the world championship titles, everything that he achieved, he used cannabis on a daily basis. And it's crazy, Frank, to you to say this and barely come out now with it recently, because I'm thinking what a burden that must have been for you to not be able to preach this gospel at the time when you're looking at this as medicine and people would arrest you for it at the time if you would have been saying it.

On the show today, we got a special guest with us, Frank the Legend Shamrocks. He was the first to hold the UFC middleweight championship and retire a four time defending undefeated champion. Now, Shamrock was number one ranked pound for pound UFC fighter in the world during his reign as the UFC middleweight champion. Frank just recently set in an article from the Growth Up magazine or online maggot it was that I read it is I just found cannabis was a wonderful pain reliever, and he used it his entire sports career. All of the world championship titles, everything that he achieved, he used cannabis on a daily basis. And it's crazy, Frank, to you to say this and barely come out now with it recently, because I'm thinking what a burden that must have been for you to not be able to preach this gospel at the time when you're looking at this as medicine and people would arrest you for it at the time if you would have been saying it.

Yeah, totally. I mean it was a total bummer. And then I had to you know, back then, the only test was like cocaine and cannabis, and you had to make sure you weren't on either of those. So you know, the last two weeks would be horrid before a championship fight because I couldn't consume my medicine, but I took it every day morning, noon, and night. Was it was the only thing I took cannabis and ice throughout my entire career. You know, everyone says it's you know, make it lazy, it'll uh, you know, drag you down. For me, it was a performance enhancer, and it was a way to completely relax and just you know, get rid of the pain. Fighting in a cage is very painful, very painful.

Yeah, totally. I mean it was a total bummer. And then I had to you know, back then, the only test was like cocaine and cannabis, and you had to make sure you weren't on either of those. So you know, the last two weeks would be horrid before a championship fight because I couldn't consume my medicine, but I took it every day morning, noon, and night. Was it was the only thing I took cannabis and ice throughout my entire career. You know, everyone says it's you know, make it lazy, it'll uh, you know, drag you down. For me, it was a performance enhancer, and it was a way to completely relax and just you know, get rid of the pain. Fighting in a cage is very painful, very painful.

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

I mean whenever I watch it, every time there's a strike, throwner, a punch, I'm.

I mean whenever I watch it, every time there's a strike, throwner, a punch, I'm.

Like, how that got to hurt?

Like, how that got to hurt?

That's off of the TV.

That's off of the TV.

The calf kicks, the calf kicks, Like, that's got to hurt.

The calf kicks, the calf kicks, Like, that's got to hurt.

Why come out the closet now? Why come out of the green closet?

Why come out the closet now? Why come out of the green closet?

Now?

Now?

What's the feeling from you?

What's the feeling from you?

Well, I really started talking about it when it was legalized in California, and it was really you know, it was a whole team decision because at the time, I was a broadcaster for Showtime and I worked for CBS as a presenter. You know, I'm a professional spokesman, so my job is to bring products to market, you know, help change ideas, and so it was a very big decision to make, but we were only able to do it really because it was then legal, and that was when we felt like it was the right time. It was something I wanted to talk about at all times. But also I was a martial arts instructor for twenty years, and you know, martial arts is a very family oriented community where if something's illegal, you don't do it, and so I was definitely torn between two worlds. But you know, by far, it's a better medicine than all the medicines they give you as a sports athlete. And then if you look at the science now, it's just ridiculous. You know, it's proven neuroprotecting. Every football player should be taking this, Every contact sport athlete should be taking this because it's a better medicine than what's out there and currently available and it's all natural.

Well, I really started talking about it when it was legalized in California, and it was really you know, it was a whole team decision because at the time, I was a broadcaster for Showtime and I worked for CBS as a presenter. You know, I'm a professional spokesman, so my job is to bring products to market, you know, help change ideas, and so it was a very big decision to make, but we were only able to do it really because it was then legal, and that was when we felt like it was the right time. It was something I wanted to talk about at all times. But also I was a martial arts instructor for twenty years, and you know, martial arts is a very family oriented community where if something's illegal, you don't do it, and so I was definitely torn between two worlds. But you know, by far, it's a better medicine than all the medicines they give you as a sports athlete. And then if you look at the science now, it's just ridiculous. You know, it's proven neuroprotecting. Every football player should be taking this, Every contact sport athlete should be taking this because it's a better medicine than what's out there and currently available and it's all natural.

Frank, what were you using?

Frank, what were you using?

Frank?

Frank?

Being in the in the in the ring, who do you feel was your your your hardest competitor that you've ever had to fight in the ring?

Being in the in the in the ring, who do you feel was your your your hardest competitor that you've ever had to fight in the ring?

It changed depending on the you know, the moment, but the biggest and the toughest was when I fought Tita Wartez because he was just the next level, Yeah, next level guy. I mean he's like six two, you know, he's like two forty. I'm five ten, you know, one hundred and ninety pounds. So he was just the next level human being. And when you're a professional athlete, you know, the size, the volume of the mass, you know, all that stuff matters a lot. And he, you know, he put a beating on me. I ended up winning, but he was the toughest physical confrontation I ever had.

It changed depending on the you know, the moment, but the biggest and the toughest was when I fought Tita Wartez because he was just the next level, Yeah, next level guy. I mean he's like six two, you know, he's like two forty. I'm five ten, you know, one hundred and ninety pounds. So he was just the next level human being. And when you're a professional athlete, you know, the size, the volume of the mass, you know, all that stuff matters a lot. And he, you know, he put a beating on me. I ended up winning, but he was the toughest physical confrontation I ever had.

He seems like you can take many punches. I was, you know, I was doing research on you last night, Frank, and I was reading stuff and then I went to the YouTube and I swear to god, I don't know how many different times, but the taunting guy's punching you in the face and you laughing at him, just laughing at him.

He seems like you can take many punches. I was, you know, I was doing research on you last night, Frank, and I was reading stuff and then I went to the YouTube and I swear to god, I don't know how many different times, but the taunting guy's punching you in the face and you laughing at him, just laughing at him.

After because it's a fucking knot.

After because it's a fucking knot.

I was just like, what the hell now?

I was just like, what the hell now?

Now?

Now?

I do have a question about the cannabis use.

I do have a question about the cannabis use.

When you were using it, what were you using a combination of CBD THC, How were you consuming it?

When you were using it, what were you using a combination of CBD THC, How were you consuming it?

What was the best way for you? Can you talk about that a little bit?

What was the best way for you? Can you talk about that a little bit?

Yeah, for sure. Well, I really liked edibles as sort of a nighttime experience or a Sunday experience because the train six days a week you know, it's Monday through Saturday for night for sixteen years, and so Sunday was sort of my day off. So Sunday was edible day, relaxed day, travel days. If I had to travel flight to Japan, I would use edibles. But all else it was just pure smoking because it's the fastest, most convenient, most functional way to consume, and it delivers the medicine the quickest. And what's funny is I was known for my cardiovascular endurance and I could outlast anybody else and the whole time I was smoking, So it was just for me. I would the ogs, the purple ease, those things, get rid of my pain. Yeah, you know I had. Yeah, I had really bad back pain for years and years.

Yeah, for sure. Well, I really liked edibles as sort of a nighttime experience or a Sunday experience because the train six days a week you know, it's Monday through Saturday for night for sixteen years, and so Sunday was sort of my day off. So Sunday was edible day, relaxed day, travel days. If I had to travel flight to Japan, I would use edibles. But all else it was just pure smoking because it's the fastest, most convenient, most functional way to consume, and it delivers the medicine the quickest. And what's funny is I was known for my cardiovascular endurance and I could outlast anybody else and the whole time I was smoking, So it was just for me. I would the ogs, the purple ease, those things, get rid of my pain. Yeah, you know I had. Yeah, I had really bad back pain for years and years.

Someone it's so unfortunate that it's falling on deaf ears at the federal level. It's just so falling on deaf ears. All the great things that this plant can do. One thing I wanted to ask, is you retired in twenty ten? Correct?

Someone it's so unfortunate that it's falling on deaf ears at the federal level. It's just so falling on deaf ears. All the great things that this plant can do. One thing I wanted to ask, is you retired in twenty ten? Correct?

Yes?

Yes?

And what you were thirty eight?

And what you were thirty eight?

Yeah? Thirty eight?

Yeah? Thirty eight?

I mean, how do you believe that the cannabis use all those years allowed you to extend your your run at this sport? I mean, I know as the years went in. I mean, I think I've reading a quote from me today. At some point in time, you're just you know, physically, your mind's there. I'm a champion, but it just isn't gonna work. Do you think the cannabis helped you go that long?

I mean, how do you believe that the cannabis use all those years allowed you to extend your your run at this sport? I mean, I know as the years went in. I mean, I think I've reading a quote from me today. At some point in time, you're just you know, physically, your mind's there. I'm a champion, but it just isn't gonna work. Do you think the cannabis helped you go that long?

Absolutely? Absolutely, because besides a pain a great pain management tool that wasn't addictive. It was a great psychological relaxant. You know, it's a great weight that shill.

Absolutely? Absolutely, because besides a pain a great pain management tool that wasn't addictive. It was a great psychological relaxant. You know, it's a great weight that shill.

Absolutely. We are here with Frank the Legend Shamrock. He is a retired four time defending, undefeated UFC middleweight champion. Frank, sorry to cut you off, big brother, but I wanted to ask you about the Baroni fight because that was one of the fights that that I was watching, and that guy wanted wanted you. I mean, there was and I think you wanted him to and the first round you pretty much almost had him. Can you talk about that first round in that fight?

Absolutely. We are here with Frank the Legend Shamrock. He is a retired four time defending, undefeated UFC middleweight champion. Frank, sorry to cut you off, big brother, but I wanted to ask you about the Baroni fight because that was one of the fights that that I was watching, and that guy wanted wanted you. I mean, there was and I think you wanted him to and the first round you pretty much almost had him. Can you talk about that first round in that fight?

Yeah? Well, the funny part is the lead up to that fight was two weeks before that fight, I blew my knee out, my left knee all the tendons m C L A c L P c L and I was in an electric wheelchair, and I knew I had to fight because this was a big moment for Showtime. It was a big moment for my brand. I had been disqualified in my previous fight, and so it was like a big brand moment where I knew I had to show up, and so I showed up, you know, hurt. But the way to be Phil was psychologically. I got in his head and I picked on him and I made fun of him, and you know, I basically teased him. I know, I teased him into into being, yeah, being into being angry and sort of losing his focus. And then, you know, the thing with Phil was when he lost his focus and he got angry, he got tight and you could see the punches coming. So I knew I could outstrike him if I kept him on that psychological edge. And yeah, I lit him up. I even called like I did this sleeper move, and you know, I thought for certain he would fall down at that. But every time he went to punch, I could see it because he was so upset and he was so tense, and right as soon as he would punch, I would just blast him right on the chin. And I thought for certain he was finished. In that first round, but he did come back to life and fight until the second.

Yeah? Well, the funny part is the lead up to that fight was two weeks before that fight, I blew my knee out, my left knee all the tendons m C L A c L P c L and I was in an electric wheelchair, and I knew I had to fight because this was a big moment for Showtime. It was a big moment for my brand. I had been disqualified in my previous fight, and so it was like a big brand moment where I knew I had to show up, and so I showed up, you know, hurt. But the way to be Phil was psychologically. I got in his head and I picked on him and I made fun of him, and you know, I basically teased him. I know, I teased him into into being, yeah, being into being angry and sort of losing his focus. And then, you know, the thing with Phil was when he lost his focus and he got angry, he got tight and you could see the punches coming. So I knew I could outstrike him if I kept him on that psychological edge. And yeah, I lit him up. I even called like I did this sleeper move, and you know, I thought for certain he would fall down at that. But every time he went to punch, I could see it because he was so upset and he was so tense, and right as soon as he would punch, I would just blast him right on the chin. And I thought for certain he was finished. In that first round, but he did come back to life and fight until the second.

But you finished going back to cannabis.

But you finished going back to cannabis.

Although Mark Frank, if you could turn on your phone too so we could hear you on the zoom and get that as a recording as well, So just ammute that. But going back to cannabis too, and you're fighting. How did you learn the balance? As far as you said you did edibles at night? Like did you know to do edibles at night? What gave you that sense? And who taught you how to use the cannabis for the best results?

Although Mark Frank, if you could turn on your phone too so we could hear you on the zoom and get that as a recording as well, So just ammute that. But going back to cannabis too, and you're fighting. How did you learn the balance? As far as you said you did edibles at night? Like did you know to do edibles at night? What gave you that sense? And who taught you how to use the cannabis for the best results?

Just just trial and error, you know, it wasn't something we really talked about in the culture, different different countries.

Just just trial and error, you know, it wasn't something we really talked about in the culture, different different countries.

You mean, Javi or Mendez didn't say here's this.

You mean, Javi or Mendez didn't say here's this.

Didn't.

Didn't.

No, no, they all thought I was crazy and they didn't understand, you know, what I was doing or why I was doing it. But I was performing well, so they didn't stop me. And no one really said and you know, don't do it. But you know everyone else was taking vicodin and you know, percocet, and they were taking all these other pills. When I took those, I felt terrible. I didn't sleep good, my body felt heavy, you know, I was dry. When I smoke cannabis, you know, I would, I would wake up, I feel amazing, and so I just through trial and error, I realized like this was a better medicine. All I need is ice and cannabis and my body will do anything.

No, no, they all thought I was crazy and they didn't understand, you know, what I was doing or why I was doing it. But I was performing well, so they didn't stop me. And no one really said and you know, don't do it. But you know everyone else was taking vicodin and you know, percocet, and they were taking all these other pills. When I took those, I felt terrible. I didn't sleep good, my body felt heavy, you know, I was dry. When I smoke cannabis, you know, I would, I would wake up, I feel amazing, and so I just through trial and error, I realized like this was a better medicine. All I need is ice and cannabis and my body will do anything.

You know what I think is great and we'll keep it on the subject of cannabis. Is the fact that I read that you don't use cannabis any longer, or at least as of the date of that article, because you started the meditation, you got therapy for all those for the back injury and the back problems, and you stopped using annabis because you didn't need it for the pain any longer. Does that still hold true?

You know what I think is great and we'll keep it on the subject of cannabis. Is the fact that I read that you don't use cannabis any longer, or at least as of the date of that article, because you started the meditation, you got therapy for all those for the back injury and the back problems, and you stopped using annabis because you didn't need it for the pain any longer. Does that still hold true?

Yeah? Yeah, I stopped using it. She spent almost a year now because about yeah. Yeah, Well what happened was, you know, since I was sixteen, I had back pain because I got a spondie in my spine and one of my little vertebrates is broken, and I fell off a.

Yeah? Yeah, I stopped using it. She spent almost a year now because about yeah. Yeah, Well what happened was, you know, since I was sixteen, I had back pain because I got a spondie in my spine and one of my little vertebrates is broken, and I fell off a.

Roof jumping off.

Roof jumping off.

It was that jumping off or falling off a two stones.

It was that jumping off or falling off a two stones.

I fell because I was actually reaching to grab this oak tree branch and the wind blew as soon as I grabbed it. So it sort of pulled me. It sort of pulled me off the roof, and then I fell two stories on my back. And you know, one of the rules in our house was you don't get on the roof. So I didn't tell anybody but my Wow. For my entire sports career, I had this terrible pain in my lower back, like sciatica pain, and I would be kicking everyone's ass in the gym and all of a sudden, my back would go out and I'd fall over and I'd have to go to the doctor and get it fixed.

I fell because I was actually reaching to grab this oak tree branch and the wind blew as soon as I grabbed it. So it sort of pulled me. It sort of pulled me off the roof, and then I fell two stories on my back. And you know, one of the rules in our house was you don't get on the roof. So I didn't tell anybody but my Wow. For my entire sports career, I had this terrible pain in my lower back, like sciatica pain, and I would be kicking everyone's ass in the gym and all of a sudden, my back would go out and I'd fall over and I'd have to go to the doctor and get it fixed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was really bad, and so I searched for twenty plus years to find the doctor to fix I finally found one right here in Beverly Hills, Dennis Colonello, and he fixed my back. And so one day I woke up and I had no back pain. So I was like, a wait, of about surgery without surgery without surgery? Yeah, So then I was like, yeah.

It was really bad, and so I searched for twenty plus years to find the doctor to fix I finally found one right here in Beverly Hills, Dennis Colonello, and he fixed my back. And so one day I woke up and I had no back pain. So I was like, a wait, of about surgery without surgery without surgery? Yeah, So then I was like, yeah.

But the point I wanted to bring up was that, and it's awesome because you're out of the green closet. My brother and I advocate this all the time, that you can be successful rechanging the definition and the stereotype of the word stoner and the fact is huge. This is a huge exclamation point. It's not addictive for you to be able to smoke for all those years, thirty years, thirty or whatever, twenty five years, and now you can stop because you don't need it. You found another way to manage your pain and get healthy. I mean, it's just crazy. It's not addictive, and everybody needs to know that.

But the point I wanted to bring up was that, and it's awesome because you're out of the green closet. My brother and I advocate this all the time, that you can be successful rechanging the definition and the stereotype of the word stoner and the fact is huge. This is a huge exclamation point. It's not addictive for you to be able to smoke for all those years, thirty years, thirty or whatever, twenty five years, and now you can stop because you don't need it. You found another way to manage your pain and get healthy. I mean, it's just crazy. It's not addictive, and everybody needs to know that.

Frank.

Frank.

You know, do you still work Are you still working out? How are you keeping your fitness and you know things like that.

You know, do you still work Are you still working out? How are you keeping your fitness and you know things like that.

Yeah, I still work out, but now it's all sort of outside natural. We hike, we ride bikes, we you know, go rock climbing. It's pretty much a natural experience because I spent you know, twenty plus years in the gym at the highest level. So we we use nature. And that's one of the good things about the quarantine, if there are some good things. I get to spend tremendous amount of time with my daughter and every night, you know, we're two hours out in nature doing you know, physical activity, spending as you're on these.

Yeah, I still work out, but now it's all sort of outside natural. We hike, we ride bikes, we you know, go rock climbing. It's pretty much a natural experience because I spent you know, twenty plus years in the gym at the highest level. So we we use nature. And that's one of the good things about the quarantine, if there are some good things. I get to spend tremendous amount of time with my daughter and every night, you know, we're two hours out in nature doing you know, physical activity, spending as you're on these.

Walk Frank and doing all these things.

Walk Frank and doing all these things.

Now that you're retired, do you ever reflect.

Now that you're retired, do you ever reflect.

Back to your career.

Back to your career.

I mean, I'm not going to mention when you and I went to Brazil, when I carried the belts and the wister, probably your highlight as well as mine. But yeah, I always but my point, well I did do that. For those who don't know, Miss, You've been every in the interview, we've done everything. Well.

I mean, I'm not going to mention when you and I went to Brazil, when I carried the belts and the wister, probably your highlight as well as mine. But yeah, I always but my point, well I did do that. For those who don't know, Miss, You've been every in the interview, we've done everything. Well.

Yeah, it was just a great time and a great experience that we shared together.

Yeah, it was just a great time and a great experience that we shared together.

And I always thank you for allowing me to go on that trip with you for that fight. But as you reflect now that you're retired, do you look back and think who is it better to fight for? Data White, Scott Kocher when you were retired came back, What do you look at and what do you think of when you think of those different entities that you fought with.

And I always thank you for allowing me to go on that trip with you for that fight. But as you reflect now that you're retired, do you look back and think who is it better to fight for? Data White, Scott Kocher when you were retired came back, What do you look at and what do you think of when you think of those different entities that you fought with.

Well, for me, it's not even so much the entities. I mean I loved fighting for Scott and the UFC, they all were great, But for me, it was the performances themselves, because each one was like a personal, you know journey each you know. Fighting Tito, I mean he was a monster. I mean even my own brother was like, don't fight him time, he's going to crush. Oh that was my brother. So I only fought him once. And then my brother Ken fought him three times and he beat He beat Ken all three times, but I beat him, so it's just. And then when I fought Phil like, I blown my knee out, and so you know, everybody, even my doctors, like, there's no way you can do this. So for me, it was a huge spiritual and personal experience to be able to meditate, to be able to call myself, to be able to go no, I have to do this for my career, for my brand, for the sport, and then to walk in there when you know, basically it was impossible to win and to find a way to win. And so when you come out of moments like that, from personal experiences like that, that's what I when I'm walking down, when I'm hiking, that's what I think about, is how on earth, you know, did I do that? But everybody has that power to sort of reach deep inside to do what they think is impossible, to sort of overcome these things. And now, I mean, you know, it's certainly paid off. I'm you know, spending my days in leisure, hiking in the forest with my little girl, enjoying.

Well, for me, it's not even so much the entities. I mean I loved fighting for Scott and the UFC, they all were great, But for me, it was the performances themselves, because each one was like a personal, you know journey each you know. Fighting Tito, I mean he was a monster. I mean even my own brother was like, don't fight him time, he's going to crush. Oh that was my brother. So I only fought him once. And then my brother Ken fought him three times and he beat He beat Ken all three times, but I beat him, so it's just. And then when I fought Phil like, I blown my knee out, and so you know, everybody, even my doctors, like, there's no way you can do this. So for me, it was a huge spiritual and personal experience to be able to meditate, to be able to call myself, to be able to go no, I have to do this for my career, for my brand, for the sport, and then to walk in there when you know, basically it was impossible to win and to find a way to win. And so when you come out of moments like that, from personal experiences like that, that's what I when I'm walking down, when I'm hiking, that's what I think about, is how on earth, you know, did I do that? But everybody has that power to sort of reach deep inside to do what they think is impossible, to sort of overcome these things. And now, I mean, you know, it's certainly paid off. I'm you know, spending my days in leisure, hiking in the forest with my little girl, enjoying.

The good life.

The good life.

We're here with Frank the legend Shamrock one bad motherfucker, like Joe said, retired for a time to send the undefeated champion. Man, it's a pleasure to have you here. I want to talk a little about your childhood because you had a pretty rough childhood coming up, and that's kind of what led you to fighting in the ring, as I understand that you didn't do too much fighting outside of it when you were younger, although you got into a lot of try.

We're here with Frank the legend Shamrock one bad motherfucker, like Joe said, retired for a time to send the undefeated champion. Man, it's a pleasure to have you here. I want to talk a little about your childhood because you had a pretty rough childhood coming up, and that's kind of what led you to fighting in the ring, as I understand that you didn't do too much fighting outside of it when you were younger, although you got into a lot of try.

Maybe in jail.

Maybe in jail.

I got a couple of beefs when I was in jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had had a tough childhood. I grew up in a broken home, in an abusive home, you know, addiction issues, with all kinds of issues, and I found a way out. When I was eleven years old, I threw rocks at a train and that got me sent to juvenile hall. Throwing rocks at a train in California is actually a felony, and so they took me from my home. I ended up doing ten days in juvenile hall. And when I was eleven years old, I was talking all the bad kids and they were telling I was asking them, he how do you deal with this locking in the closet thing? And do you guys have to live in the backyard. And as I'm saying these things, they're looking at me all horrified. And I realized that my childhood was not that good. And so I found that crime was the tool that took me out of that home. And I leaned into crime like you wouldn't believe, which worked out great until I ended up in prison when I was seventeen. And then I ended up doing a good, good stretch of time. I did three and a half years from seventeen to twenty one, and then you know, I just I found a mentor while I was in that group home system, Bob Shamrock, and Bob Shamrock, you know, gave me great advice. He was my first father figure. He told me to vest in my body, my mind and my spirit, and you know, to keep training basically. And when I got out, you know, this sport had just started, and you know, my dream was always to be a champion, a sports champion. So even though I was afraid to fight, even though you know, made me very nervous to be in a situation like that, I had the machine for it and I had the faith, and I went for it.

I got a couple of beefs when I was in jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had had a tough childhood. I grew up in a broken home, in an abusive home, you know, addiction issues, with all kinds of issues, and I found a way out. When I was eleven years old, I threw rocks at a train and that got me sent to juvenile hall. Throwing rocks at a train in California is actually a felony, and so they took me from my home. I ended up doing ten days in juvenile hall. And when I was eleven years old, I was talking all the bad kids and they were telling I was asking them, he how do you deal with this locking in the closet thing? And do you guys have to live in the backyard. And as I'm saying these things, they're looking at me all horrified. And I realized that my childhood was not that good. And so I found that crime was the tool that took me out of that home. And I leaned into crime like you wouldn't believe, which worked out great until I ended up in prison when I was seventeen. And then I ended up doing a good, good stretch of time. I did three and a half years from seventeen to twenty one, and then you know, I just I found a mentor while I was in that group home system, Bob Shamrock, and Bob Shamrock, you know, gave me great advice. He was my first father figure. He told me to vest in my body, my mind and my spirit, and you know, to keep training basically. And when I got out, you know, this sport had just started, and you know, my dream was always to be a champion, a sports champion. So even though I was afraid to fight, even though you know, made me very nervous to be in a situation like that, I had the machine for it and I had the faith, and I went for it.

How did you feel that.

How did you feel that.

Yeah, Bob did that. He would be so mad at me, but his whole thing was and this is one of the things that kept me in it is you know, he said, hey, as long as you're doing your stuff, long as you taking care of your business, I don't care what you do.

Yeah, Bob did that. He would be so mad at me, but his whole thing was and this is one of the things that kept me in it is you know, he said, hey, as long as you're doing your stuff, long as you taking care of your business, I don't care what you do.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I get parents to call me up that no I use weed or smoke cannabis, and they say, oh, my seventeen year old or eighteen and I wants to smoke. And I said, you know what, tell them exactly what you just said is what I tell people. If they're doing everything they're supposed to be doing, what's the problem. And when people say cannabis makes you lazy, we say, no, you're a lazy ass who uses cannabis.

I get parents to call me up that no I use weed or smoke cannabis, and they say, oh, my seventeen year old or eighteen and I wants to smoke. And I said, you know what, tell them exactly what you just said is what I tell people. If they're doing everything they're supposed to be doing, what's the problem. And when people say cannabis makes you lazy, we say, no, you're a lazy ass who uses cannabis.

You're lazy. You're lazy.

You're lazy. You're lazy.

Cannabis does not make you lazy. And we have an example right here that shows that, I mean, couldn't be.

Cannabis does not make you lazy. And we have an example right here that shows that, I mean, couldn't be.

All of you guys are examples. You and your brother as well, Craig. I mean, don't just give Frank the credit for being an athlete. For sure, as are very successful lawyers. He's a very successful CEO of his company. All three of you guys are examples of stoners at the peak of their stoneage age and being very successful.

All of you guys are examples. You and your brother as well, Craig. I mean, don't just give Frank the credit for being an athlete. For sure, as are very successful lawyers. He's a very successful CEO of his company. All three of you guys are examples of stoners at the peak of their stoneage age and being very successful.

Well, guys, we're listening to Frank Shamrock, actually the original Rock, the legend Shamrock right, weighing in at what is it?

Well, guys, we're listening to Frank Shamrock, actually the original Rock, the legend Shamrock right, weighing in at what is it?

Two oh five? Standing five ten?

Two oh five? Standing five ten?

I wish is that? I wish I'm eighty six pounds, But we never told anybody that. We just let them think that was a lot bigger. But I'm actually about one hundred and eighty five pounds or so.

I wish is that? I wish I'm eighty six pounds, But we never told anybody that. We just let them think that was a lot bigger. But I'm actually about one hundred and eighty five pounds or so.

Well, a lot of the guys you bought looked looked a lot bigger than you, and you just they were.

Well, a lot of the guys you bought looked looked a lot bigger than you, and you just they were.

Yeah. But when I started, there was no weight classes. I was the first weight class champion, and that weight class was one ninety nine point ninety nine and below. Wow, So every single human being was bigger than me. I used to eat a full meal every night at eleven thirty when I went to bed, Wow, because it was the only way to maintain the weight. And it gave me crazy dreams like I had the crazy little eat a little crazy dream all night and then wake up a Wow.

Yeah. But when I started, there was no weight classes. I was the first weight class champion, and that weight class was one ninety nine point ninety nine and below. Wow, So every single human being was bigger than me. I used to eat a full meal every night at eleven thirty when I went to bed, Wow, because it was the only way to maintain the weight. And it gave me crazy dreams like I had the crazy little eat a little crazy dream all night and then wake up a Wow.

Frank UFC just had a fight with no fighters have had a few. Now I'm wondering would you partake in something like that? Or what are your thoughts on it? You know that the UFC is actually doing it, how tough would it be mentally for the fighter or does he even even play a factor?

Frank UFC just had a fight with no fighters have had a few. Now I'm wondering would you partake in something like that? Or what are your thoughts on it? You know that the UFC is actually doing it, how tough would it be mentally for the fighter or does he even even play a factor?

Well, what's funny is because I started in Japan and back in the nineties, the crowd didn't cheer. It wasn't it wasn't socially cool. You didn't cheer, You didn't express yourself, you know, verbally in a social setting unless you had an intimate connection with someone personally, so they would just politely applause and go ooh ah. And so what's amazing about is you actually get to hear your corner in depth. And the hardest part for me being a rock star is to go out have this, you know, fifty thousand people screaming and you're trying to hear your corner. So it's actually be a huge bonus as as an athlete competing right now to not have your crowd.

Well, what's funny is because I started in Japan and back in the nineties, the crowd didn't cheer. It wasn't it wasn't socially cool. You didn't cheer, You didn't express yourself, you know, verbally in a social setting unless you had an intimate connection with someone personally, so they would just politely applause and go ooh ah. And so what's amazing about is you actually get to hear your corner in depth. And the hardest part for me being a rock star is to go out have this, you know, fifty thousand people screaming and you're trying to hear your corner. So it's actually be a huge bonus as as an athlete competing right now to not have your crowd.

It was interesting listening to the corner. You could hear everything. It was awesome.

It was interesting listening to the corner. You could hear everything. It was awesome.

Yeah, yeah, I would prefer it because that's all I'm trying to do is filter out my wife's screams and then here here the corner man tell me.

Yeah, yeah, I would prefer it because that's all I'm trying to do is filter out my wife's screams and then here here the corner man tell me.

What's to Frank.

What's to Frank.

You mentioned that you you were scared to fight that very first time you fought professionally. How was that, How did you prepare prepare yourself? And how did you get through the fears you might have had going in.

You mentioned that you you were scared to fight that very first time you fought professionally. How was that, How did you prepare prepare yourself? And how did you get through the fears you might have had going in.

I was very afraid, and I had lots of meditation. Luckily, I had all that time in prison to sort of make up my mind and you know, sort of decide like I have to have to go do this. And for me it was even scarier because I went to Japan for my first fight, and I went to Japan for two months to finish my training. So I went from Folsom prison to shin Yokohama, Japan and lived there for two months while on parole and finished my training. So it was terrifying. It was literally terrifying, I would say.

I was very afraid, and I had lots of meditation. Luckily, I had all that time in prison to sort of make up my mind and you know, sort of decide like I have to have to go do this. And for me it was even scarier because I went to Japan for my first fight, and I went to Japan for two months to finish my training. So I went from Folsom prison to shin Yokohama, Japan and lived there for two months while on parole and finished my training. So it was terrifying. It was literally terrifying, I would say.

In Japan.

In Japan.

Yeah, well, back in the day, it was the only place you could be employed, and so we were able to prove that it was gainful employment only available in this certain area and I had to go or it was a disadvantage to me.

Yeah, well, back in the day, it was the only place you could be employed, and so we were able to prove that it was gainful employment only available in this certain area and I had to go or it was a disadvantage to me.

That's the way it worked, the system, Frank, the legend share rock. What fighters are you enjoyed watching now? Do any of them remind you of yourself.

That's the way it worked, the system, Frank, the legend share rock. What fighters are you enjoyed watching now? Do any of them remind you of yourself.

Well, Henry Souta reminds me of me because he looked exactly like me. My little brother, your.

Well, Henry Souta reminds me of me because he looked exactly like me. My little brother, your.

Son who knows.

Son who knows.

Everyone says he might be my son. He might be my little brother. I really like I liked what the girls are doing, you know. I like the old school guys. I like John Jones. You know, I see I see a little bit of me and all of them. Because I was the first, you know, complete mixed martial arts guy. I was the first guy to really like Bruce Lisa, you know, thought to create a system and then to use that system effectively so there's no weaknesses. So when I watch them today, I'm like, ah, I remember when we figured that one out, and I remember when we tied that together. And back in the day, I could see the spaces between the styles. And that's how I set all those records and beat all those guys. Is you know, their minds were stuck in one area. And because I was studying so much, and because I was trying to connect all the styles, I could see where the things didn't connect and where there was weaknesses.

Everyone says he might be my son. He might be my little brother. I really like I liked what the girls are doing, you know. I like the old school guys. I like John Jones. You know, I see I see a little bit of me and all of them. Because I was the first, you know, complete mixed martial arts guy. I was the first guy to really like Bruce Lisa, you know, thought to create a system and then to use that system effectively so there's no weaknesses. So when I watch them today, I'm like, ah, I remember when we figured that one out, and I remember when we tied that together. And back in the day, I could see the spaces between the styles. And that's how I set all those records and beat all those guys. Is you know, their minds were stuck in one area. And because I was studying so much, and because I was trying to connect all the styles, I could see where the things didn't connect and where there was weaknesses.

It's a trip that you say that because I was mentioning that to the guys and thinking about your history and.

It's a trip that you say that because I was mentioning that to the guys and thinking about your history and.

Following you early on in your career.

Following you early on in your career.

How you did bring it all together, right, So you're kind of the as this Michael Jordan's Special was out the Last Dance, You're kind of the Michael Jordan of the UFC and Mixed Martial Arts in my opinion, because like you said, you brought it all together. So that'll be said if we do, because I think I'm gonna produce this now that I just think about it, We're gonna do the Frank Shamrock Last Dance.

How you did bring it all together, right, So you're kind of the as this Michael Jordan's Special was out the Last Dance, You're kind of the Michael Jordan of the UFC and Mixed Martial Arts in my opinion, because like you said, you brought it all together. So that'll be said if we do, because I think I'm gonna produce this now that I just think about it, We're gonna do the Frank Shamrock Last Dance.

What would you call yours instead of the Last Dance? What would Frank the Legend Shamrocks Special be on ESPN? What would you do it?

What would you call yours instead of the Last Dance? What would Frank the Legend Shamrocks Special be on ESPN? What would you do it?

Hmm? I would call it something to do with warriors like warriors Path or Journey, or something to do with warriors and.

Hmm? I would call it something to do with warriors like warriors Path or Journey, or something to do with warriors and.

Warriors Path and Journey.

Warriors Path and Journey.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think Frank what he put together, I mean, Michael Jordan was great, don't get me wrong, but I gotta put Frank above that. As far as putting together I mean several, I mean all these different styles, ground and pound, stand up strike, I mean, everything he put together is something that didn't exist Michael Jordan may have taken basketball to another level, may be able to see things on the court, blah blah blah, but he didn't put together a complete system that would go on to decimate everybody in his path. So props to you.

I think Frank what he put together, I mean, Michael Jordan was great, don't get me wrong, but I gotta put Frank above that. As far as putting together I mean several, I mean all these different styles, ground and pound, stand up strike, I mean, everything he put together is something that didn't exist Michael Jordan may have taken basketball to another level, may be able to see things on the court, blah blah blah, but he didn't put together a complete system that would go on to decimate everybody in his path. So props to you.

Wow.

Wow.

And and you're doing cannabis.

And and you're doing cannabis.

So in between when you're putting all this together, let's bring it back to cannabis, when you're putting up, when you're doing all this and thinking how do I put this with that and how do I you know, these combinations in these different styles you were you were using.

So in between when you're putting all this together, let's bring it back to cannabis, when you're putting up, when you're doing all this and thinking how do I put this with that and how do I you know, these combinations in these different styles you were you were using.

Cannabis, correct, totally. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. And I know for a fact that being in a very relaxed state of mind, you know, not being in pain, you know, not having certain fears, you know, feeling a certain way. I know for a fact that those those are some of the things that helped me, you know, envision what hadn't been seen yet, you know, to help finish this system and create the system because everyone else is you know, stoned out of their mind on you know, percosets, and they can't feel anything. You're basically their body is dead. And you know, I feel good and my mind is still very active, and my mind is still very creative and it was a very creative process to come up with this stuff. It's also terrifying when you're the guy coming up with the system because there's nobody to ask, there's nobody that knows. And I knew that nobody.

Cannabis, correct, totally. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. And I know for a fact that being in a very relaxed state of mind, you know, not being in pain, you know, not having certain fears, you know, feeling a certain way. I know for a fact that those those are some of the things that helped me, you know, envision what hadn't been seen yet, you know, to help finish this system and create the system because everyone else is you know, stoned out of their mind on you know, percosets, and they can't feel anything. You're basically their body is dead. And you know, I feel good and my mind is still very active, and my mind is still very creative and it was a very creative process to come up with this stuff. It's also terrifying when you're the guy coming up with the system because there's nobody to ask, there's nobody that knows. And I knew that nobody.

Can't do it wrong, then there's no wrong way.

Can't do it wrong, then there's no wrong way.

But it's usually you know, your coach can guide you, and your coach you know, hey do this. But I realized my coaches didn't know, and so it was up to me to sort of come up with the strategies and come up with the systems. And to be honest with you, that's terrifying. Imagine going to war and as a soldier you're making all the decisions. And that's how it was for me.

But it's usually you know, your coach can guide you, and your coach you know, hey do this. But I realized my coaches didn't know, and so it was up to me to sort of come up with the strategies and come up with the systems. And to be honest with you, that's terrifying. Imagine going to war and as a soldier you're making all the decisions. And that's how it was for me.

Sure, Frank, let me ask you this, you know, what do you what do you think about the UFC? Two part questions, do you think the UFC is is leaning towards the cannabis used for their for their fighters?

Sure, Frank, let me ask you this, you know, what do you what do you think about the UFC? Two part questions, do you think the UFC is is leaning towards the cannabis used for their for their fighters?

And two? Where is the UFC going right now?

And two? Where is the UFC going right now?

And are you happy with where they're where they're aheaded, you know as far as from when you were in the.

And are you happy with where they're where they're aheaded, you know as far as from when you were in the.

Yeah, they're definitely moving towards you know, a cannabis friendly environment because you know, they see the results. Everybody's using you know, CBD, everybody's using oils. People are figuring out that it does protect your brain and you can help protect your brain. So they're definitely getting more friendly about it. But really that's up to the commissions, and that's up to you know, the people that sort of oversee that testing side, you know. And I love where the sport is at, like my dream. I mean, I was the first spokesman, so my job was to get us on cable. My job was to get us on network. My job was to grow this thing until it was on ESPN. So when I see it on ESPN now it's like, you know, we made it. You know, this is where we're supposed to be because it's it's one of the most exciting and interesting sports. And for me, you know, I didn't I didn't play on teams. It was me and my coaches you know, against the other their side. So there's something very special about singular competition and what that does for the human spirit and what you see when that happens, you know, for the individual and then for the crowd as well.

Yeah, they're definitely moving towards you know, a cannabis friendly environment because you know, they see the results. Everybody's using you know, CBD, everybody's using oils. People are figuring out that it does protect your brain and you can help protect your brain. So they're definitely getting more friendly about it. But really that's up to the commissions, and that's up to you know, the people that sort of oversee that testing side, you know. And I love where the sport is at, like my dream. I mean, I was the first spokesman, so my job was to get us on cable. My job was to get us on network. My job was to grow this thing until it was on ESPN. So when I see it on ESPN now it's like, you know, we made it. You know, this is where we're supposed to be because it's it's one of the most exciting and interesting sports. And for me, you know, I didn't I didn't play on teams. It was me and my coaches you know, against the other their side. So there's something very special about singular competition and what that does for the human spirit and what you see when that happens, you know, for the individual and then for the crowd as well.

And like you said, you took me to the next levels they had I used to watch you.

And like you said, you took me to the next levels they had I used to watch you.

Let me ask one more question here, one more question for me. Would you it would be kind of funny though, Do you think they'd ever ban it because it's it's enhancing you as you know, like other steroidss like that. It's like they're gonna say, wait, it's it's not fair because you're you're taking cannabis that I'm.

Let me ask one more question here, one more question for me. Would you it would be kind of funny though, Do you think they'd ever ban it because it's it's enhancing you as you know, like other steroidss like that. It's like they're gonna say, wait, it's it's not fair because you're you're taking cannabis that I'm.

Not well that if they were smart, they'd figure that out. But I don't think they're ever gonna even get to that mindset. For me, it was a total enhanswer. Like for me, it was a secret weapon because every night I slept good, I wasn't in pain, I could train longer, I could, you know, think better, I could think more creatively. So yeah, I mean they're certainly in our argument that could be said for that.

Not well that if they were smart, they'd figure that out. But I don't think they're ever gonna even get to that mindset. For me, it was a total enhanswer. Like for me, it was a secret weapon because every night I slept good, I wasn't in pain, I could train longer, I could, you know, think better, I could think more creatively. So yeah, I mean they're certainly in our argument that could be said for that.

Well, guys, you're listening to iHeartRadio with Frank Shamrock. When we come back, we're gonna have the high five right here on Cannabis Talk one on one.

Well, guys, you're listening to iHeartRadio with Frank Shamrock. When we come back, we're gonna have the high five right here on Cannabis Talk one on one.

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