Cannabis Talk 1017 Misconceptions About Using Cannabis for Anxiety
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Pot Underscore Brothers Underscore at Underscore Law. At Wastlaw is little brother Mark Wasserman. At Washlaw Dog is big brother Craig, and.
At one Christopher Wright is Blue and at Joe Gronde fifty two is myself And as I said, your name Craig. The first thing that popped into my mind is how many laps are you at right now? Because and not only as we do the show, but when I go back and listen to the podcast, I'm like the dudes at like twenty some laps in his pool as we're all still at home doing this show together.
And I'm not gonna lie Craig when I just see your name.
The first thing that popped in my head is and I'm sure the listeners out there they're wondering as well.
So we started.
Off with you doing three laps, and this quarantine, we got up to twenty.
Has it jumped up since then?
Yeah, A thirty five, thirty five, I'm actually up to seventeen laps.
To go in thirty five and went down then you know I was fifth, I was in.
I never said twenty.
Roll back to the tape.
I never said twenty.
Fifteen turnovers, not laps back and forth.
No, fifteen is one way, is two ways back and forth because my poll is about twenty five feet long, so it's one lap is out both ways.
Well, today we have a special guest with us on the show, Bonnie Johnson. Now Bonnie Johnson is a registered dietitian, nutritionists, food industry consultant. She's a speaker, a certified cannabis consultant. She spends much of her volunteer time educating a variety of audiences about the benefits and potential risk of using cannabis to treat chronic pain, anxiety, and zomnia, and other ailments. As a consultant, she works with food and cannabis industries to bring science based education to healthcare professionals and category changing products to the market. Now, Bonnie has a new article in the spring edition of CRX magazine about anxiety and cannabis.
We love the magazine.
Everything they represent and put out has been great articles so far, and they put an amazing article out with this one as well. And you did tons of research. You have seven misconceptions about using cannabis for anxiety. We can't wait to hear all about out them.
Welcome to the show, Bonnie, Thanks Joe, I'm glad to be here.
Well, it's so good to have you on. Man Before we get to you and talk about this, you guys. ESPN had its highest rated show ever with Michael Jordan's series The Last Dance in My Home.
It's must see TV.
Right, I'm wondering if you guys, even Bonnie yourself have watched these episodes yet.
Absolutely, I've been watching it religiously with my wife.
Actually, she's been totally into it.
My wife's in it too, which is great.
Yeah, it's it's amazing.
Just this the way this uh, this guy operates in his whole modality of mentality winning at all costs.
Oh, he's he's awesome. What about you, Blue?
You know, I don't see any Chicago Bulls in the background over there, buddy, All I see is Lakers in the back. So I'm not sure you're really even a Jordan fan of mister Grande.
That's funny.
I actually did an interview with Jordan at the Staples Center, and it.
Doesn't make you a fan. Hey, greatest of all times? What about you, Craig? Have you watched it?
Oh?
You got cut by me like that? Hold on, I'm not done. I didn't get to see it, But I do believe Jordan has a work ethic that that a lot of people didn't recognize. As a young entrepreneur. That guy he used to say that I look forward to where the ball is gonna go, not where I'm gonna throw it or where I'm going to be at. So I remember those times growing up with them, and I do remember the three peats and all that stuff when the Lakers and the Chicago Bulls were going at it.
So, Craig, what about you.
I have not watched it yet. I plan on watching it, but I have not watched it yet.
You guys, I promise you won't miss out. And you, Bonnie, have you got a chance to check it out? I know you're a sports fanatic, as I call you, and you're on the golf course.
I have seen the first four episodes. I missed this week's run because it was Mother's Day and I have five kids to take care of and day. Yes, but we have, we have watched it religiously. Huge Jordan fan. I spent eight years in Chicago, and I love the sport much bigger college basketball fan than the NBA, but big follower.
Wife, Miss mar missed March Madness.
That is the best March Madness.
My god, thirty years I've been watching March Madness in Vegas, actually in Vegas.
Yeah, you know what I took what I'm taking away from this last dance, Joe, I think about you a lot, Joe when they show these clips, they show these clips of Jordan just cussing out his teammates and they and they really didn't even do anything that bad.
They maybe they dropped a ball or something. Was it was an accident, it was it was.
No, it was just and he just lays into him, kind of like you laying into my brother and Blue and we make a little mistake.
Man, Joe, I don't know, I don't know.
What do you think the cost of winning? It's tough? Yeah, I agree.
Actually I look at that and go, you know what, I'm like that too sometimes going off on people.
Why do I want to win so bad? Jeez? Is that a bad? Is that bad to have? Is that a not? Absolutely not No.
By the reason I mentioned that show is because in his rookie year he went into a hotel room and see some guys doing lines and partying and he didn't partake.
He kind of got out of there real quick.
But it got me thinking, who do you guys think is the most famous athlete to come out of the green closet. I'm not talking about doing lines clauset. I'm talking about the green clauset smoking cannabis. And uh, Mark, let's start with you, because there's so many athletes that are out there that have come out are that have just been caught. And I'm not just talking strictly advocates that have you know, that are pre like you know, we just had Kyle Turley onto one of the podcasts and he says a secure for all and which and he's a huge advocate. And I believe Matt Barnes is like the face for cannabis right now as of x NFL or me ex athletes that is, he's an NBA player. But in your opinion, who do you see as your biggest athlete to come out of the green closet.
I gotta go with Ricky Williams. I gotta go with Ricky Williams. What I think it was, yes, twenty sixteen, I think it was. And he he he walked away left ten million dollars on the table something like that because of his belief in cannabis and using it. And I mean that that's a huge statement walking away from that much money. And he's been an advocate ever since. And I think he has his own CBD line and I think he's he's probably, if not the biggest, one of the biggest.
That's what I think.
I don't think there's right or wrong Blue, Who's yours?
You know, I'm gonna go with Nick and Nate Diaz and uh you know they they've had such a controversial come out in the industry, meaning that you know, they just decided, we're gonna smoke in front of everybody.
We don't care. This is what we do.
Possibly losing their UFC titles and all kinds of different you know, things that have came against them, but they continued to do it and they've been forefront on it.
So I believe it's so funny. These are great ones. And what about you, Craig.
I gotta go right now with Big Mike Tyson. Yes, the best thing lately that they've had him on film. I don't know if you've seen his Instagram post where he's boxing, Uh yeahs training with the hands and oh my god, he smokes that much wet every day and he's doing that kind of workout. It just shows what we've been preaching everybody, change the stigma. We does not slow you down.
And it's like you he laps in the pool.
I mean, you can do it before you know you're gonna be doing your nine am workouts like you mother does his seven thirty workouts.
I'm gonna be like Michael Phelps. That's another one, Michael. Although he got and Bonnie, who is your athlete?
Well, I don't know if he's the most famous, but he's for sure my favorite. And that's Bill Walton, the.
Whole Walton family. I love them.
As matter of fact, one of his sons, his son lives right by here. My son plays baseball with one of his grandsons.
So I have a little time. Oh did you out in Arizona?
I did?
Oh cool? How fun is that? Well, you guys, I think we just said.
The name Michael Phelps, in my opinion, has to be one of the biggest, well known. I mean, he's the most awarded Olympian swimmer ever. So when I think of biggest athletes, I definitely thought of Ricky Williams, Nate Die everyone everyone said of I actually didn't think of mister Walton.
But all of are great.
But I think, in my opinion, Michael Phelps is just one of those guys that you go, wait a minute, that swimmer smokes weed like that he's taking pictures with the bongs he's got, he's at parties.
Hey smoking it blew the world away. They weren't ready for it, you know what I mean. It was like, Yeah, this guy smoked swede.
He eats a lot of pancakes and a huge breakfast, huge lunch, and huge dinner and he goes out there and he kicks ass and.
He was like a gold medals.
Yeah.
So it's like, you know, the stereotypes about it should have been broken many moons ago, but it's still funny how we still have to fight it. Well, let's break real quick, you guys, come back with Bonnie Johnson and talk about her article in the CRX magazine coming out about anxiety and cannabis. It's Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one. On the show, we have a special guest with us, Bonnie Johnson. Now she holds a masterss of Science degree and nutrition and as a registered dietitian nutritionist. Bonnie, as a writer, has a new article in the spring edition of CRX magazine about anxiety and cannabis.
Welcome to the show, Bonnie, How are you?
Thanks Joe so much. I'm glad to be here.
Well, it's so good.
We all got a chance to read your article as it's about to come out in the spring edition of the CRX magazine, and I personally thought it was so well put together. You had so much information in there, You did so much research. How long did it take you to put this article together?
This probably took me a couple of months worth of research, asking a lot of questions, looking for some really good science behind it. I think it's really interesting to bring up Michael Phelps being a cannabis user and such a great athlete. A lot of that has to do with anxiety that they really need to be able to control that anxiety, and sometimes there are pharmaceuticals that won't do it, and it can really help them improve their performance by decreasing those pre and post competition anxieties.
And you talked about the story.
The article headline is anxiety and Cannabis.
What are some of the anxiety symptoms out there?
Somebody's that going I feel this, I feel that what if this is anxiety?
Right? And I think that the symptoms can really change from person to person. But you feel all sorts of things. It's a nervousness, it can be that when you're you know, you feel that pit in the bottom of your stomach. It can even be it can be massive headaches, it can be shaky hands, it can and it can be really just a feeling of dread and depression. So anxiety and depression tend to go hand in hand, and sometimes we try to put those things off as just normal feelings, but they really aren't. It means something's out of balance in your body.
Let me ask you this, Bonnie, performance enhancing drugs. You made a comment a second ago about how this can help performance because it leaves their anxiety.
Before or after or both.
And tell me how that's different from performance enhancing drugs that are banned in all these sports.
Well, I'm not an expert in performance enhancing drugs, but I believe that those are actually compounds that will improve things like blood flow, decreased muscle fatigue, actually the improve physical parameters around performance, where something like cannabis wouldn't be considered a performance enhancing necessarily. It's something that can put you in the right mental state to compete better, not necessarily a physical state to compete.
Betterie, I got a question just about your background, a little bit about your background.
Where did you study.
I went to the University of Arizona got my degree in nutrition, and then I got my master's degree at Colorado State. I was born and raised here in Colorado, so I came home, you.
Know, so Bonnie somebody, oh, sorry, sometimes I get anxiety, but when I smoke, you know, and and so I think it's just different for a lot of people. I mean, you know, I don't smoke as much as I used to, and I purposely don't because for a while I was smoking so much that it didn't I didn't really know whether you know, it was the cannabis or if it was just myself. But then I realized, once I, you know, got away from it completely, you know, that it was when I smoke, or if I smoke too much, and I was smoking with tobacco like rolled in blunts and different kinds of so.
It also got probably helped helped.
You know, with my anxiety, but it would add a lot of anxiety. But I realized when I if I ate a small dose of edibles, that I didn't have that anxiety as well. So I think it's a you know, a tip for chat. What do you think about people that do get it for when they do smoke as well well.
I think it's really important to understand that cannabis has kind of a dual nature that a little bit can help control anxiety and too much can actually cause anxiety. So it's really a matter of figuring out that perfect dose and timing for yourself that doesn't push you over that edge into the anxious feelings. But for a lot of people, really low doses or microdosing of cannabis can help control that anxiety all day long. So just taking you know, a little bit at a time, and that's where edibles really can come in or even tinctures come in to help titrate those dosages. So that's a small amount controlling that anxiety over a long period of time.
And we always talk about dosing up, starting small, dosing up, And one of the things Joe is always saying now he uses CBD and he likes to refer to like, I know, if I have to take an advil, did you direction say take two for my weight and my this and my that. There really isn't anything yet for cannabis. What are your thoughts and comments on getting to that point you think it'll ever happen?
How close are we? What do you think?
Well, I think it's really difficult to come to that point with any kind of natural product that's derived from plants. There's a lot of standardization that has to go on before you can actually start putting out specific dosage for weights or for genders or for age groups and stuff like that. What I think is even more important is to work with somebody like a cannabis consultant to really figure out and tight trate those doses up. So when I work with patients, I have them keep a pretty detailed diary about how they feel before they take it, how much they take, when, how they feel within fifteen minutes, a half an hour, two hours, and then we can really balance that out so that people find that perfect sweet spot and don't go over it then and don't waste their time going under it either. If it's not making you feel better, there's no reason to do it. So you do have to add a little bit at a time. But I think that that's one of those common misconceptions is we should all know how to take this and just wing it, But there are actually people out there who can really help you figure that out for yourself.
When did you start studying and researching cannabis as part of your practice.
When did you bring that into the game for you?
So?
I brought cannabis into my practice about six or seven years ago. We had been living in Chicago. I had a really high level executive job, and I was struggling really, really bad with anxiety, and I had tried some prescription medications that made me feel weird and awful. The anxiety had gotten bad enough that I decided to give up that job and move home to Colorado. And on our move back here, my husband begged me to try cannabis for my headaches, and it worked within fifteen minutes. And I have been an advocate and educator ever since.
Was your husband a user as well?
No, my husband is actually a pilot.
At all.
That's great.
Let me ask you this body.
I'm looking at some pre notes that we made here, and you've got I think you say something to the effect of CBD slows the breakdown of natural and then quote unquote bliss molecules in your brain which may help keep anxiety symptoms away. What is that sounds like a beautiful word, bliss.
What is so your brain actually produces a molecule called nandamide, which is almost identical to THHC, but it produces it in small amounts and it's broken down really really quickly to try to maintain balance in your brain. When you take CBD, it actually slows down the breakdown of that natural nandamide so that you have a little bit longer lasting effects of that bliss molecule that actually makes you feel calm, makes and take away some of those anxiety symptoms.
Well that's the.
Same for THC. If you don't do too much well.
THHC actually will stimulate all those good feelings too, because it looks exactly like a nandamide. It's just comes from an external source that comes from an outside source. So THCHC looks like that bliss molecule to your brain and it uses it the same way. THCHC is not broken down as quickly. It actually hangs around in your system quite a bit longer. And that's why taking a little bit, taking too much, or taking a lot will give you that high feeling, where when your brain naturally releases a nandamide, you won't ever get high from that.
We're talking to Bonnie Johnson right now.
She has a new article in the CRX magazine about anxiety and cannabis, And we've.
Mentioned on here.
As you and Blue are talking and going back and forth, you said, too much THC can also cause some type of anxiety. And I'm just wondering to the pot brothers at law, I've never seen anybody smoke as much as you, Mark and Craig. You try to hold on there too. But when you guys, you guys ever smoked too much that you guys feel some anxiety because I've never seen it happen between you two, and we've been around each other for quite a few years.
Now, I've seen it on him.
Never you should them get anxiety.
I mean, i've seen them smoke tons. I've seen a little brother.
I've seen little brother take zabs and and and and be.
A little bit uncomfortable.
I don't know what he's holding under there, what it's you know, how to how to you.
Know, uncomfortable? I don't know what you're talking about.
He's just he's just pinging off the walls. He's he's a binger. That's what we keeps the same anxiety.
Level headed.
But you guys never never, never, Okay, Well, you guys smoke a lot of weeds.
I have friends that have. Though, I mean it does, it can cause.
We've seen a lot of people. I mean, I'm sure everyone has. Yeah, a lot of people go through it.
I will say that in reading, in reading the article, in Bonnie's article mentioning uh one of the symptoms anxiety disorders O c D.
Oh, you have a lot of them. When I was reading, I was thinking of you.
But no, big brother has a lot of OCD. Smokes so much cannabis. How come it doesn't help his OCD?
What are you talking about?
Wait?
I got, wait, I got, I got to straight my computer.
It's crooked shots?
Why sue correctly Bonnie and the article, More than one in six Americans take some type of antidepressant for the psychiatric drugs. I mean, how crazy is that to think of? And why is it cannabis being used more? When you look at a statistic like that, Well, I think that.
There's two things that contribute to not being used more. Number one, like we already said, is the standardization and not being able to write a prescription for dose and timing for somebody and just walk out of the office. And that's unfortunately, as Western medicine is consumers of Western medicine. That's what we're used too, and that's what we feel comfortable with. So when somebody says to you, hey, you could try cannabis. We don't know how much, or or when to take it, or what kind of take, but you could experiment on yourself. We tend to shy away from those kinds of things. But I do think we're seeing the population grow that they are taking a little bit more responsibility for their health and they're willing to try cannabis. But I think the second, the second kind of scary part is is that when you do take it and maybe get too much, or you do it in the wrong way without keeping track, it can cause that paranoia, that anxiety feeling, and then they think that they're doing the wrong thing. So, you know, like there's kind of two sides to this. One is you have to be willing to experiment with yourself, and two is you need to be working with somebody who knows what they're doing so that they can help you along the way.
Yeah, and that's why MICRODOCE is probably so important for everybody out there who's going to try to use this as a you know, drug that you're going to take you you know, whatever you as a medicine you're going to use, and explain a little bit more, and you've touched on it a little bit what microdos is and how it should be looked at and how so much would go at.
It well, So microdosing is consuming really small amounts of cannabis over a longer period of time. So when I work with my patients, I will recommend either using a tincture because that's pretty easy to dose correctly, so it'll be maybe maybe seventy five milligrams I'm sorry, zero point seventy five milligrams of a THHC cbd blend every two hours to see if that controls anxiety, keeping in mind that those tincsures take fifteen to twenty minutes to work. If I have a really adventurous client, I do work with a veight pen. I think that those are among the safer ways to do it again because you can dose so easily and it's basically one puff every two hours of a one to one cbd THCHC blend and people really can control that much better. And if you can do that over the course of about fourteen days, I have some patients who do that maybe once every three months, and it puts their anxiety on track and they can be off of it for a while, and then they just have to go back they start to feel anxious again. They'll start that titration again, that microdosing for about two weeks, feel much better and that will hold them off for a couple of months. So it's not.
Why do you feel it's taken so long for the medical community to kind of hop on board with the cannabis industry.
Oh, I think that there's a gigantic political discussion behind that.
Right, we don't have enough time for that.
But what I have enough time.
But what we do have time for. What we do have time for, though, is I would like you to explain to our listeners is as in late terms as you can, the endocannabinoid system and how that works along with the anxiety.
Okay, so your body has a system called the endocannabinoid system. It's kind of like your digestive system or your nervous system, but it's a system that helps keep your body in balance in a lot of different ways. And one of the ways that we see endocannabinoid deficiencies or when your body is not in balance, your endocannabinoid system is not in balance, is with this anxiety and depression symptoms, and that is because you may not have enough of the natural molecules being released from your brain that keep your endocannabinoid system in balance. One of those is a nandamide that I just talked about that looks a lot like THHC, and if your body's not producing enough nandamide, you're not going to have that sense of calmness, and you actually can see increasing anxiety symptoms. And that can be for a number of reasons. It can be because of too much stress, it can be genetic that your body doesn't produce enough of it in the first place. There's a number of reasons why that may happen. But you can do things from an outside perspective to help balance your endocannabinoid system back, and those things are THHC and CBD. So cannabis does help balance that endocannabinoid system, but there's some research that shows that even exercise and eating healthy can actually help bring that into balance because it can increase your body's ability to produce those natural the endocannabinoids, those cannabinoids that your brain makes to make you feel calm.
There you go.
We are here with Bonnie Johnson, writer for CRX Magazine, Masters of Science degree and nutrition registered dietitian. Thank you so much for joining us on Cannabis Talk one on one. One of the things I saw in your article transcranial magnetic stimulation.
WHOA, isn't that shock treatment?
It mark, It's a very new It's a much much more more sound version of shock treatment. Yes, and it is only used in extreme cases of anxiety and depression. But it can put your brain back into balance when it's been unbalanced for so long.
Isn't that what they did? And one flew over the cuckoo's nest.
Like I said, technology has advanced quite a bit.
They also used the pillow too.
I'll stick with the cannabis. I think that sounds safer to me.
Oh yeah, you.
Know.
You did ties of research and the seven misconceptions about using cannabis for anxiety.
Speak on those a little bit.
Well. I think that people, for my number one is always people think that natural is better than synthetic, or natural is better than pharmaceutical, which is a misconception. And while I do believe that cannabis is a really great treatment for anxiety and natural treatment for anxiety. Sometimes it needs to be used in conjunction with pharmaceuticals, so there's not always a one one or the other. Things can be used in tandem if they're used correctly. Like I said before, continuous use may not be necessary. You may be able to use cannabis for seven to fourteen days, put your body back in balance, and then be and take a break for a couple of months, and then when those anxiety symptoms start to return, use it on and off, so it's not something that you have to do all the time to keep your body in balance. And then again we talked about that idea that high doses of cannabis can be harmful and can cause the opposite effects. So you need to hit that sweet spot between too little and too much so that you do have something that can control those anxiety symptoms.
When talking about hold on, hold on, I'm sorry I got to mention this because you're talking about harmful effects. What can you say tell us about cannabinoid hypermesis syndrome.
Well, that's in the next that's in the summer issue of CRX magazine.
I'm ahead of my time. I'm usually ahead of my time.
Of it.
It's rare, and it's not only high, it's not only using high amounts of cannabis, but very very long term at that very high level, and there is a syndrome. It's a real thing, and you can control it by taking a cannabis break. It's as simple as that. And that's really the one way that they can diagnose it is if they stop using cannabis and all your nausea and vomiting goes away. That's probably what it was.
And that's CHS is reoccurrent nausea, vomiting, cramping, abdominal pain due to cannabis.
Use, long long term, high doses of cannabis use.
So I'm at risk, Yeah, probably so Mark, Well there, well, there it is guys. It's Cannabis Talk one on one. We'll be right back after this break.
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And now the time of the show to get to the High five with Cannabis Talk one oh one and our guest Bonnie Johnson.
Joe, take it away.
Try it's the High five with Bonnie Johnson, who has an article in the spring issue of CRX magazine Anxiety and Cannabis, and we've got to hear a lot of great things about it. But Bonnie, now it's your time to open up. How old you How old were you first?
Yeah?
How old was La la la? How old were you the first time you smoked weed? And where'd you get it from?
Canne?
This is a judgment free zone.
Right absolutely?
Yeah I was. I was forty two and I went down dispensary in downtown Denver and bought it myself.
That's great. Craig has kids that are forty two and forty nine.
Yeah.
No, So what is your favorite way to use cannabis?
I do use a eight pen with a variety of different cartridges.
Very nice.
Well, this is the High Five with Bonnie Johnson on High Heart Radio. Yes, what is the craziest place you've ever used or smoked cannabis?
Well, so I have to say again, judgment free zone at this point, it's probably my parents' house, just right in front of my right in front of my mom and dad. They know that I use it medically and it has become a totally judgment free way. Just like take popping a couple of ad film and you get a headache.
Did they partake with you?
No, my parents do not.
Well, Mark and Craig's parents, they'll roll you up a joint in a heartbeat.
Oh, yes we do.
And it's the Cannabis Talk one oh one High Five with Bonnie Johnson of CRX magazine writer. Question number four, what is your go to munchies when you get high?
Well, because I do, I really practice microdosing. I don't ever really get high, But my go to munchie regardless of time is nacho cheese Doritos. Even though I'm a dire.
But just a little. We're gonna judge that. We're gonna judge that alone.
I've seen your pictures you know it doesn't matter. You can eat a whole bag question number five with a high five. If you could smoke cannabis with anyone dead or alive, who would it be?
Again, I'm gonna have to go with my husband, hopefully by sixty five he'll retire from the industry, from the airline industry, and we will meet on the jetway with a gigantic degree and just sit in the gate area and get.
I want buddy.
It's so funny, Bonnie. I have my kids friend's parents whatever. His dad as a pilot, and he said that. The wife said the same thing, like, I can't wait to smoke with my husband once he's not a pilot. Where did I hear this from?
Before? That is so interesting?
And before we end, I got to ask, you've done so much research on this, You've done so much research period. What do you find that works best for treating this as far as cannabis, smoking, tinsters.
And edible dabbing.
What have you noticed will help the most with the anxiety and the quickest In terms.
Of anxiety, I think that smoking actually helps the quickest and can be the most long term, easily controllable way to treat it. Tinctures are probably my second choice. They're my second choice because they're a little bit harder to come by and you can't always guarantee the quality that you're getting or the mix that you're getting. So I really like the cartridges and you just get such a quicker experience with that. The one thing I always say no to when it comes to treating anxiety with cannabis is dabbing. You want to talk about the fastest way to cause a panic attack or an anxiety attack, Dabbing will do it.
Oh yeah, I got I gotta admit.
I gotta admit.
Seven years ago, when I first dabbed, I had to ground myself for riding my motorcycle for about six alleys. I was stuck where I was and I don't know if it was so much anxiety, but I never got that high. Now i've dabbed subsequently, haven't been that bad. But that first experience of dabbing was like, oh my god, if I had anxiety, i'd have been it had been off the charts. Joe, what do you think, what do you think?
Well, well, there it is, guys. You know, we want to thank you Bonnie for being on the show. Make sure you check out Bonnie Johnson and CRX Magazine. You know, is any fine final words from you, Bonnie before we check out of here.
I think that the most important thing is that CRX mag is a free subscription. Go to crxmag dot com subscribe yourself. It's a great resource for healthcare professionals, doctors, nurses, dieticians who are interested in the cannabis space.
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