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Well, I took away. It's actually more serious than I thought. You know, I think people had taking it more serious than I thought. And it's bigger than what I thought. I mean, I went in the media interest and had to stand online for about a half an hour, so that's how big it was. And that line was all the way down the block, you know, a city block. So it's actually bigger than what I thought. Even though Mike Tyson is a big name, he's a fifty eight year old well he will be fifty eight year old big name. So I didn't and you know, Jake Paul is Jake Paul. So I didn't think the masses would take it that seriously. But damn I was totally wrong.
I'll tell you what.
Just to add to that, Christia, I put things in perspective. My son has never been to any press conference that I ever attended as long as I've been in his sport, and he was at that one, right So him and his friends who wanted to come to that press conference, so they were sitting out at the on the balcony and engage and into it and recording videos and so forth.
So it goes to show.
You the youthful crowd that is going to be a part of this event. But they were at the press I even walked them around the corner on one hundred and twenty fifth Street in Harlem, and the age group had to be somewhere between four thirteen and maybe thirty. Man, it's a young crowd considering that Mike is so old, but I think some of those young people still were there for Mike Tyson as well.
No, but you know what, Jake Paul said something, you know that really struck me. He said, you know, yeah, a lot of the fans are going to be rooting for Mike, the old people, but I'm going to have the teenagers and I'm going to have the young people.
And I kind of saw that in the crowd, you know plenty. Yeah.
I was walking out the front entrance after the press conference ended and there was like a youngish fan there recognized me from his own and said, hey, you know, I'm pulling for Jake, but my dad's pulling for Mike. And that's exactly That's exactly what this promotion is kind of looking for, right, They're looking to attract fans from both worlds. You have got the you know, the boomer generation and younger that grew up watching Mike Tyson, and you've got the young YouTube audience that worships the ground that Jake Paul walks on. So you are going to attract all these people onto a platform that basically half the world already has. I mean Netflix has something like two hundred and seventy plus million subscribers worldwide. I know they're not putting a number yet on what kind of audience this fight will draw, but I would say conservatively, guys, after talking to a lot of people you know that know this business, that thirty million sounds like a conservative number and we could get far, far greater than that.
And now not to mention the new subscribers that Netflix will probably obtained from this promotion. I mean, most people have Netflix already, but the few that don't probably would.
Subscribe just to check this.
Fans out to this fight out and obviously the fact that hardcore fans are involved now because of the Cole Main event.
I don't know, this looks like it'd be the biggest event of the year. Yeah. I think this was brilliant what Jake did.
Because nobody illegally streams Netflix, you know, so any of the platform he would have been on it would have had to been on pay per view, and he would have lost a lot of money.
Because the legal stream. So I think this was brilliant.
So what did you guys make of Mike during this press conference, because that was one of the questions I had coming in, Like the last time he was in New York for a press conference, he bit Lennox Lewis's ankle right like that was I mean, that was vintage Mike Tyson. This was kind of Grandpa Mike that was up there on the stage. The guy that was saying to the kid who addressed them both, he where's your mother? When the kid started to swear he was baited a couple of times to say something surly about Jake Paul, but he kept repeating like we're friends, Like he said, I'm going to go out there and try to beat him senseless. But you know, he obviously has an affection of sorts for Jake, which kind of manifested itself in that you know, friendly face off that they had at the end of that press where Mike was smiling almost the whole time, and then he gave Jake a couple of you know, love taps to the mid section och. What did you make of what you saw from Mike?
Well, Chris, you mentioned a kid, and not to go off topics, but have you ever been to a presser where they involved the audience to ask questions to the fighters?
Sometimes like the the the Jake Paul pressers do, right, Like I've been to a few of them. I think the Nate Diez press conference at audience question that's where Jake's employee Derek from Better Media. Yeah, you're right, yeah, but only there.
Yeah, I think that Mike obviously he is Grandpa Mark, right, He's he's almost a senior city.
Well he is a senior city.
Well, what's the age now for senior citizen's close?
He's getting there.
So overall, I spend some time with Ryan Mike recently and Huzbeka stand and also when he comes to Jersey City, and he's usually chill. But to my knowledge, he's not smoking marijuana, which is something that keeps him chilling calm most of the time. But I'm hearing it he's training seriously and not smoking, so so I don't know. Maybe Mike is just turning into this guy that doesn't you don't want too much, but inside that ring, we know we're gonna get the same Mike. But outside the ring, maybe he's changing rock.
What do you think, Well, I mean, if we watched Mike Tyson, if the fans watched Mike Tyson over the years or all of these interviews he's done.
The old of Mike Tyson is docile. It is what it is, you know.
The old of Mike Tyson is like, you know, saying boxing, throwing belts away, saying this means nothing to him. He just wants to be a better person. Saying that weed calms him down.
He doesn't.
He's not that angry man anymore. So I guess we were expecting a tough, angry mic. And then when you see those little promotion clips he does for like ten seconds, he's hitting the pad and he's like, you still want to f with me? Uh, that's faith, you know, that's not the mic. That's not the fifty eight year old Mike Tyson. You know, he's he's calmer. But I but we're just hoping. And I was looking at Jake's face during the press conference. Every time Mike says something loving and nice, I looked at Jake, like, you know, to see if he would make a face like oh, man, come on, Mike, and not selling this, man, come on. But I think people are just gonna understand that Mike Tyson will be Mike Tyson the night of the fight.
That I'm sure of.
Yeah, And you know, even if Mike's you know, fifty eight by the time he gets into the ring, And even though he said at that press conference like look, my body feels like shit, like you know, he kept getting these kind of leading questions that would take him down a path of saying, oh, I'm in the greatest shape in my life. I'm gonna pound of but he's like, man, I feel terrible, like I feel awful right now. And look, I kind of admired the honesty in it because he is fifty seven, almost fifty eight years old, who hasn't been through this kind of training camp in a long time. But at the end of the day, to your point, Barock, you know, Jake Paul, at some point, whether it's in the during fight week or when he stands there in the ring, is going to realize he's in there with Mike Tyson. And regardless of whatever age Mike tys it is, it's going to be terrifying. I've told the story before, but I remember having a talk with Buddy mcgert.
Uh.
This was back when he was training Kovalev befor he fuck Canelo, And Buddy was telling me the story of how he trained Clifford Atien for the Tyson fight, and he said, Cliff in the locker room before the fight was gassed up, he was ready to go. He was like, I'm gonna beat this guy. I got him, no problem. This is gonna be my night. Buddy said. When Cliff got in the ring and the lights dropped and Mike Tyson came out with that towel around his head, and he took that towel off and he threw it down in the center of the ring. Buddy said, in that moment, I could see Mike's I could see Cliff's soul leaving his body, like because at some point you realize that you are facing off a guy that was the baddest man of the planet, a guy that came to hurt you. So I think at some point Jos wash over Jake.
Yeah, jac It's gonna have those typer sentiments that day. But is Mike is Mike, you know, giving a disclaimer to say, hey, I'm old, you might not see a good version of me there?
Or is he?
Is he playing possum and making Jake think that he's gonna be an old Mike and when he gets in there we get to see a vicious Mic for a few rounds. I don't think he's gonna be able to be vicious for a straight rounds, even though they are two minutes.
You see, what I think is that I don't think Mike is going that far and saying that. Mike is not saying, oh, you know, you're not gonna get the best version of me. Mike is just saying I'm sore. I like the guy and I'm sore, but he's training hard, and you know what's gonna happen fight night.
I think you're right, Chris.
What's gonna happen is that you're gonna see a bigger Jake, So his body's gonna look soft and smooth and not as muscular, and then you're gonna see a ripped of Mike Tyson.
You're gonna see a ripped Mike Tyson, and.
That's gonna be the first thought going through Jake's head, like, damn, this dude, is ripped and once he feels the first shot, because just because you get older don't mean you don't have power. Once he feels that first shot, I would love to see how Jake pulled react.
Maybe maybe that intermidation factor is already considering that they're using, if I'm not mistaken, fourteen ounce gloves is it fourteen ounce twel.
But the fourteen ounce gloves that's not gonna help Jake all that much. The fourteen ounce gloves that kind of protects you from cuts, right, that's the that's what's more useful about bigger gloves. The impact is still the same. Some people would even argue that for a puncher, having bigger gloves like that might actually help you.
No, that's.
The smaller argument.
The smaller, more person that got punched. I don't know. But the smaller, the smaller glove, of course, you feel.
That's why in the UFC guys just be getting rocked for some wack punches, you know. But but the thing is is that it's still the force. You're gonna still fill the brute force, you know. And and that's something that Jake hasn't felt yet a punch from a.
Real strong boxer so so can we can we Chris, can we give credit to to a guy that's been fighting for four years regards listened a fact of Mike being fifty eight years old, that he has courage to go in that ring with no hegear of kids, Mike Tyson.
In a legitimate, sanctioned fight, And that's part of this. Like, I don't think Mike Tyson wants on his resume a lost to Jake Paul at the top of it. Like it's bad enough that we've got Danny Williams and Kevin McBride on the back end of that resumes, it's worse if Jake Paul winds up on the top fit. So yeah, I think Mike's going to have some motivation when he gets in the ring on July twentieth. Now, the question that gets asked a lot to me is why is Mike Tyson doing this? Why is he going through with this type of event? And I don't think it's that complicated, Guys, Like there's just a pile of money in it, right, Like the amount of money he's getting from Netflix, which I have been told is a big number, probably eight figures. So the amount of money he's getting from Netflix is one thing. But what did we see at the start of that press conference. Mike Tyson sat there on the stage and flashed his new product, right his new energy pouch that he was promoting that. I immediately got like seven emails on you know, right afterwards. So you know that's the like, that's the the motivation. There, the idea that he can make money from Netflix and promote all of his products at the exact same time. He can promote this energy company, he can promote his marijuana company, he can promote his podcast. Besides start doing that again. I heard that was done, but if he decides to restart the podcast, there's so many ways from Mike Tyson to make money off this fight. I mean, guys, I just think that's the only motivation for Mike Tyson.
Yeah, I think.
Look, I've heard from MVP people and other people that Mike excited about He's excited about getting back and doing Obviously, the money is a big part of the motivation.
He has a great business team. His leading the charge is his wife.
She knows how to capitalize on business opportunity. So, yes, to your point, this is not only a purse for a fight. A lot goes into this promotion, there's gonna be a lot of eyeballs. So, you know, credit to him that at this age he's still his iconic status is still able to make him this much money. But when it's all said and done, he's still going to go into that fighter mode on fight night and try to rip Jake's head off. It's not like, oh, I'm going to I'm just doing this for money, and I'm just gonna be half fast about it.
I'm gonna cash out.
No, He's still going to train as hard as possible and go on after fight night and try to win and try to beat Jake's behind.
That's gonna happen.
So at least for those that hey think that Mike's doing it for the check, you're still wanting to.
Get a vicious Mike Tyson on fight night is gonna be entertaining. Yeah.
I think the thing is is that every box's motivation is money, you know, but it's not their soul motivation. If they have integrity in the sport, we can never question Mike Tyson's integrity. He already built a wonderful legacy. He's literally the most famous boxer on the planets and he hasn't been active since two thousand and five, and he's still the most famous name.
There is in the sport. You know.
So as long as the integrity in boxing is still there, and the will to win and the competitiveness is still there, listens to a couple of things he said. He said, man, it feels good to be back in the press conference. I can't believe I'm here, you know, I can't believe I'm going back in the ring. So these are all things that shows that he's excited. Money is the number one the motive for both of the fighters, yes, but they also have to win in order to continue. Think about this. When he fought Roy Jones, I guess he felt that he won. He wanted to be announced the winner, you know, and he wanted to fight holy Field after that.
You know.
So it's more than just money. It's also the competitiveness. And he said one of the things he said, us, you know what, he's the guy, Jake Paul's the guy. In other words, he's the guy that's send the papers all the time. This is gonna make me a lot of money, but it's also gonna show that I'm still relevant in this sport. I'm gonna beat up the guy, and Mike Tyson's eye, Jake Paul is the guy, so he wants to beat that guy.
And not only that.
For those that are complaining about the matchup, let's be real here, to some degree, this is somewhat of an even matchup.
Right because Mike has the age and experience.
Jake has a lack of experience but has the youth and has been taking a sport serious. None of us can really go out there and say we know who's going to win this fight. It's gonna it's gonna be a fight, regardless of being two minute rounds and big gloves. That's going to be a winner and a loser, and it's gonna be accounted for for their boxing record.
Right.
Can you confidently say that Mike Mike's condition is gonna be great, We're gonna be We're gonna see if vicious Mike is gonna knock Jake out.
I can't confidently say that. I don't know.
If Mike gases out in two rounds and Jake's youth's kick kitchen and lands a few BIC sights shots on, Michael moves around with the jab and beats him all points.
So I think that's the intriguing part of this, Like we don't know.
Those are the fights that we get excited about, right the fights that we don't know what's gonna happen.
And I think we have that on July twentieth. I sound like an MVP promotor here. Now the hell's going on?
In addition to this being a widely viewed fight globally, I think it's gonna be one of the most gambled on fights of all time. Like, honestly, because the line right now, I think Jake Paul is a slight favorite. I want to say, literally one fifty. It's very slight at the moment. Maybe maybe it could be the reverse. I don't know, but it's very it's very close close right now at the moment, They're going to be so many people betting on this fight. I've already been looking for like odds, like I'm bet on everything to do with this fight, Like first within the first minute, you know, Jake Paul by decision. I think the gambling aspect of this is going to be huge with this fight as well. You mentioned Mike's wife and you know, earlier today I was on the phone with Lou Debella and later with Shelley Finkel, who was his manager for a long time, and both those guys brought up Mike's wife as a real positive influence in his wife in his life, someone that has I don't know what the right word is for it, but certainly focused him in this kind of new chapter of his life. She gets a lot of credit for, you know, the the the Mike Tyson two point zero if you will, the reinvention of Mike Tyson post his fighting.
Career difference deservingly So, I mean, look, I have Mike and I have mutual friends that that known him for forty forty five years, and and that's what they talk about. Hey, Mike's since his wife has been on him, not only his business, but just overall. He's a person that's just obviously more calm, but more focused on business, not letting anybody pull the wool over his eyes, not people not taking advantage of his celebrity. You know, obviously Mike is not doing anything for free, you know what I mean? And look, deservedly so, he gave a lot to his sport. He's been through a lot throughout his life and right now he's cashing out in every opportunity, but she has pretty much changed his life for the better, So kudos to her.
Let me put a button on all this and ask the question of the downside here. Is there a downside for Mike Tyson in going through with this? Because I remember a few years ago when a Vander Holyfield got in with a Vitro Bellford, and Vitro Belford nearly took a vander Holyfield's head off. And look, that doesn't stain the legacy of a Vander Holyfield. It's still an all time great in two weight classes. But it's kind of the lasting image we have of holy Field as a boxer getting his head caved in by an ex MMA fighter in you know, a Bizarro fight in South Florida. Brock, is there any downside in your mind to Mike Tyson going through with this?
No, I mean only physically, like he can actually get hurt in here. So that's the only downside I see, and I pray that that doesn't happen. You know, but certain fighters who go too long, maybe like a sugar Shane Mosley went too long, never really stopped and came back, but he went too long, and it kind of takes away from your legacy when you lose the guys you never really would.
Have lost to, maybe even a Roy Jones Junior as well.
But taking off twenty years, you know what I'm saying, When your last fight is nineteen, I mean two thousand and five, nineteen years ago, this does nothing to your legacy. Your legacy has already cemented, you know. So it doesn't matter if he want to lose. But the only problem I can see is if he possibly gets hurt.
Yeah, I mean, I feel as far as that holy Field fight Chris, I think Vito a bell for for more of the brunt of that because people hate him now for being help on such a legend. Now as far as Jake look to Barock's point, yeah, physically, I mean, I don't think Jake Paul really hurts Mike Tyson, you know, to the point where where we're going to be worried about him. And I think people are taking this fight for what it is. It's a real fight, but it's very unique in a sense. So Mike c loses his fight, you know what, people say, he's fifty eight years old. It's not the same Mike Tyson. He's fighting a young guy. This is a young man's sport, so it doesn't affect him only in a positive way in his bank account.
That's about it.
And I don't look Jake and punch, no doubt about that. But I don't think he can punch hard enough to hurt Mike Tyson. I just don't believe it. And I don't think Jake is going to come in throwing the kind of combination punch as we saw from vitro belfour when he was actively going out there trying to hurt Abd Holyfield. This is where the glove size. The glove size comes in. The two minute rounds come in. Look, it's sixteen minutes of action.
That's yea, yeah, yeah, But what it is let me ask you guys a question.
You know, I'm not trying to be the guy who'd asked questions, But I don't think Jake has ever fought somebody that he's that close to, right, like they're real friends.
Right.
Does he get to the point in that in a point a point in that fight where he has Mike hurt and viciously tries to knock him out, would there be a point where he's well, he'll say, I don't want to hurt this older man.
I mean, I don't happen.
I don't think it gets to that point. Look, I think Mike is certainly crafty enough to not give Jake those kind of openings, right Like, I think Mike's gonna fight this thing on the inside. I think he's gonna make kind of a fight in the phone booth and you know, try to There'll be some holding, there'll be a lot of you know, extracurriculars, and look, two minutes goes fast. Guys, we know this from watching women's boxing, which we're gonna get to in a moment. But uh yeah, I just think the most likely outcome, in my mind is like a Jake Paul decision where it looks a lot like Tyson Roy Jones, where they were kind of mixing it up a little bit on the inside, a couple of good punches landed, but nothing too consequential. That to me is the most you know, likely outcome here.
I wouldn't say the most likely. I would say the most likely is by Mike Tyson knocking Jake Paul.
Out oow Okay, No, I mean, because here's me, I gotta go on my DraftKings app and put that there.
To know what it takes is it takes experience to know what to do when you're fighting somebody that big, that strong, that fast fighting you on the inside. Roy Jones had that. Roy Jones has that kind of experience to know, I don't want to get hit by Mike. He said that. He said he's still Mike Tyson. In other words, he felt those shots, he felt the mishots, he heard the mishots go by, and he's like, damn, those are some heavy shots. So it takes experience. Now, if Jake is really working on that how to deal with someone out of the fight on the inside, then I can see that happening. But if not, maybe he'll freeze, maybe he'll get hit, and maybe he'll get hurt.
I'm placing a bed on Jake knocking Mike out. That's my odds that that's that's.
What this is, why this fight so interesting. I picked Jake by decision. I's got Jake by knockout. B Rock's got Mike by knockout. The opinions Barry, Yeah.
Yeah, I mean I'm not even saying that's what's probably gonna happen. I just say that's just.
More likely to happen, that's all.
Yeah, let me tell you I think I think, look, we first thing people say when you hear this, they say, all right, well Mike is old. He might guess out it's two many rounds, it's two minute rounds. He's not training for two minute rounds. He's training for three minute rounds. So I think we're gonna see a good mic in there.
Let me tell you something. If Mike knocks Jake Paul out, I promise you will see Logan Paul get into the ring afterwards and challenge Mike Tyson. Yeah, where is actually even bigger? Given logan status with the WWE and all he's done at high level, at least in terms of names Floyd and all that stuff in boxing, this might not be a one off.
So is Logan pull a bigger start than Jake because of the WWE?
I think so. I think he's more mainstream than Jake because of the WWE, and certainly he was the YouTube star before. Really Jake was the big YouTube star, so it may not be a huge gap, but I do think Logan is the bigger mainstream star at this point.
So yeah, Jake can't be Mike. I doubt Logan does because Jake is a better fighter.
Honestly, I don't think it matters. I think if Mike can make more money fighting Logan, I think he'll do that too. It doesn't matter one bit. One of the great things about this card is it is showcasing real boxing talent. Right we just saw the announcement on Wednesday that we're going to get Ashton sil versus Floyd Schofield. That is a tremendous fight between two top prospects in that thirty five pound way class. Love that fight, but the big fight is the rematching Katie Taylor and Aman of Toronto. Three of us were there for the first fight. One of the best atmospheres I've ever been in, male or female for a boxing event. Felt like fifty percent of the crowd was New York Puerto Ricans, fifty percent was New York Irish, Boston Irish, Irish Irish that came in to see Katie Taylor. And then you had a fight that was so heavily hyped. It lived up to expectations. It was as good as it was advertised. Now we get the rematch where both these women are still a lade. Katie Taylor, coming off a win at one forty become undisputed champ over Shantel Cameron. Amanda Serrano, you know, formerly the undisputed champ at won twenty six, now unified, but still has been rolling along since that lost to Katie Taylor.
Brock.
I think this fight could be even bigger than the first one because everyone loved what they saw in the first one, and there's gonna be such an anticipation for what they're gonna get in this one.
You know, that's what women's boxing was missing, actually a good rivalry, and that's what this gave us. You know, Katie Taylor, even though she had some good fights with Cameron Chantell Cameron, she's like, you know, the girls bigger than me.
I went to her weight class, I beat her. I also beat her in the amateurs.
You know, I beat these guys in an amateur Natasha Jonas, all of these people in the amateurs. My real rival that people saying that maybe I lost she hurt me twice in that fight, is Amanda Serrano. Like you said, that atmosphere was unbelievable.
The atmosphere has never been matched.
And I've been to Wimbley, I've been to places where there's eighty thousand people in the crowd, but it just wasn't the same. That noise was next level. So I think it's gonna be better. I think they're both at the point in their career that they're gonna retire and they need and they want to retire the right way. They're both super competitive. They want to retire with a win, so they're gonna give there all that night. Oh my god, I'm so excited about that fight. But for them adding Ashton and Floyd, that was the cherry on top. But it was already good enough. With this Amanda Serrano and Katie Taylor, you don't even have to.
Question what that match is gonna be.
Like just lotalistically and the type of women they are, it's not gonna be any less than the first one. I mean, like to your point, Brock, you know they're older, They're gonna be in that middle, in the middle of that ring fighting.
It's gonna be the best fighting to night.
It's gonna be the most entertaining fightday night, regardless of what's headed on the main event. And you know, there's a reason for those that have a problem with that main event, for whatever reason, and you're a fight curist, here's here's the best thing you can get on a silver.
Platter on that night.
And I think that that was that's what separate this event from anything else that that Cole main event. And I'm excited, and I think a man that gets.
This, I think I think I actually thought we were going to get a little nastiness from the two of them. Like you saw Amdis Toronto up there saying, hey, you know, I thought I won the first fight. Now I'm being asked to move up to another weight class. By the way, this fight is it, I was told that a catchweight of one thirty eight, so Amanda moving up three more pounds. Katie comfortable fighting one thirty eight anyway, so it'll still be for all four belts in the gym.
And Amna we never said that before. I've never heard of say that in public. So you're right, Chris, she was trying to like poke the bear, there she was.
But Katie's like unpokable, basically, like you can't. Katie's just like, oh, well know, looking forward to a great fight. I'm happy to be here and I love boxing. And that's kind of like Katie Taylor sort of in a nutshell. I think it's gonna be a fantastic fight. It's another fight that you could tell me any potential outcome, I'd probably believe it. You could tell me that Katie wins by decision, Amanda wins by decision. Hell, we almost saw Katie stopped in the last fight, you know, with Amanda going nuts in that fifth round and landing all those punches. It's just a phenomenal, phenomenal fight overall.
Do you know what them women are getting paid? Fitsh Forris Bunny Jans.
I had heard like there was some numbers out there that were wrong, right, It's not like I had heard it was effectively double what each made in the first fight. So I think Katie made a little around a million bucks in the first fight. I think that, you know, Amanda made a little under a million bucks in that first fight, and then I think they'll both make double that, which is great, all right for I let you guys go oh, I want to get your thoughts on the big story that continues to dominate the boxing headlines, which is the positive drug test by Ryan Garcia. What we know at this point is that there was a positive test on two samples for ostereine, which is a performance enhancer listed by Vada Wada, the New York Athletic Commission. You know, this was taken a done, taken the nineteenth this test and the twentieth, so the day before and the day of Ryan Spie. Right now, the B sample is what we're waiting for about a week away from that being examined. May twenty second is the official date the B sample is going to be open. You've seen Bill Haney out there like effectively making a countdown for all this, so it's it's it's gonna be a big day in the boxing world when Ryan Garcia's B sample gets tested. Barrock very rarely does a BET sample come back a different than a sample. It's the same sample. It's just you know, it's in two different specimen cups, you know, basically, So yeah, I have to assume that this sample is going to come back the exact same as the A sample, assuming that, like, what is the appropriate punishment for Ryan Garcia. We've seen Pat English, the attorney for Devin Haney, submit a request the New York Commission not just to declare this fight a no contest, but to declare it a DQ victory for Devin Haney. This was what happened in DC back in twenty sixteen when there was a positive test by Lucian Butte for Austereene in his fight against Badu Jack. The DC Commission overturned that result and made a DQ win for Badu Jack. So what do you think is appropriate here? What do you think the New York Commission's next steps would be when it comes to Ryan Garcia.
Well, if that's the case, then obviously there's going to be some sort of a band and first defense. So maybe it'll be a six month man that Lucian Butte situation. Even though I was happy when that happened because I believe battle Jack won that fight, you know, any way, but.
That was an anomaly. You know, that was an anomaly.
I don't even know how they even got that to pass that way, to change that to a disqualification. I'm kind of happy with, you know, with things like if if things start going like that in boxing, I think that would be a good deterrent for people who do use purposely.
You know what I mean.
So that might not be the end of it, if it comes to be sample comes back, you know, tainted as well. That might not be the end of it, because then they might talk about, you know, how much was in the blood system and whatever. But at the end of the day, the verdict will have to change, and I think it would probably just change to a no contest. But moving forward, if they start changing them to disqualifications, wow, I think that'd be a greater deterrent. I never thought about that till.
LSUS, But correctly, if I'm wrong, if the b sample does come up positive, which we all expected to, shouldn't, isn't Ryan and his team right now doing an extensive investigation on all of the supplements that he took throughout his camp, just to see if unknowingly one of the supplements you know, contains some of these banned substances. So if it's there's a difference between you knowingly taking a PED and you unknowingly having small traces of it from a supplement, I mean there's still a case and a possibility for him to fight with that.
Am I right or wrong?
Well, they are doing that at the moment, not just through supplements, but through any medications Ryan that might have been taking in the weeks and months leading up to that fight. Against Devin Haney. Look the quantity taka, but.
I think even unknowingly, I think they might still be ramification'll be suspension. So it's just what I'm saying. I think he still prove himself right, but he still has a chance to prove himself innocent. And that's why I believe it probably will become a no contest because he still will have that chance. You know, but I'm talking about people who have ridiculous levels and it's definitely cheated, you'd have steroids in their system. Changing it to a disqualification will deter in the future.
Yeah.
Agree, that's highly more likely than some foul play being done with Voda autosessing agencies. I think it's more so something that if he is innocent, something that he took.
Yeah. Now, I had this conversation with Sergio a couple of weeks ago where I think Ryan, when it comes to the letter of the law and the outcome of this fight, I think it's over. I think it's going to get overturned one way or the other. He is going to face a suspension, whether it's six months or one year. Whether he took it intentionally or not, doesn't matter. The athlete is responsible for what goes in their system. And look, I don't take everything that Victor Conti says at face value, but he gets all the levels that were in the test results, and he's out there saying Ryan had sixty times as much a potential legal level of ostereen than he should have. And if that's the case, it's a wrap on a legal level, on a boxing level. What Ryan needs now, though, is he needs some kind of plausible deniability. He needs to point to something and say, you know what, I have to own this, but here's what happened there. I like it in a way to what happened with Canelo back in twenty eighteen when Canelo, you know, he lost out on the Glofkin fight. Temporarily he faced a suspension, but a lot of people believed that, you know, there was painted meat in Mexico, that Glenn butterol could be found in meat. There were other athletes that tested positive for it. He had some plausible deniability there, and I think he saved some face there. Like Connor Ben currently going through it. A lot of people think he's a cheater, and I understand that perspective, but Connor Ben, thanks in Park. WBC can point to an investigation said, look, too many contaminate eggs, kloma, fiends and eggs. That's how that test him a positive. It doesn't absolve you in any way, shape or form, but it does give you a defense in the court of public opinion. It does make some people that were skeptical, it might make them believers. That's what Ryan's got to come up with. I don't know how he does it, because I've asked around guys, I've done some reporting on this. I don't know where you find austere reene. It's not legal in any supplement in the United States. It's not found anything you can buy at a GNC or buy anywhere else. I don't know how he's going to find his way out of this, but I think that's the important part here for him. He's going to lose this New York Commission issue. He's going to lose this win. He's going to lose some time in the ring. But whether or not he loses reputation in part, I think depends on how he's able to explain how that got into a system. Because just blaming Victor Kanti ain't it. I don't like Victor Conty. I've said it on his podcast, I've said it elsewhere. I don't think someone that was involved with drug pedaling at one point in their career should be back involved in professional sports ever. Again, but saying Victor Kanti did it, saying Victor Kanti set me up. It doesn't pass the smell test. It's unverifiable at this point. So Ryan, to me, he's gonna have to come up with something that explains how that got into his system.
Yeah, I agree with you.
I mean it's gonna be tough to really pin that on Victor Conti with no proof. And look, Conelo, he did a test negative for the hair filical test during that time, so there was something that helped him in the public opinion.
So yes, Ryan needs to get in front.
Of this because it seems lately he's just been ignoring it and doing a lot of other things. Look, he's trying to ride this wave right now. He's calling Ero Spence out. Let's be honest, if that fight would have happened, it would be a huge fight, right, It'll be a big money fight if he was able to fight. But I think before any of those things come to fruition, obviously, this has to be dealt with. So hopefully if he is innocent in a sense where he didn't know what he was taking, they better be diligent right now and checking every single medication, every single supplement, every food, everything that he just so he can be ahead of it and to your point to say, hey, this is where I messed up at you know, my bad. You know I didn't knowingly take this. If not, it's going to be a rough road from for sure, Rock.
I think he's got to run it back with Devin Haney now. I think it went from being something we wanted to see just something we need to see because not only was he allegedly on the performance enhancer, he blew weight by three and a half pounds. You know, Pat English, the attorney sent in like evidence of Ryan using an IV which supposedly is banned under these circumstances. I think, more than ever before, Ryan's got to run this back. Do it at one forty seven, do a no title on the line. Who cares, but you know, to get part of getting past this, I think will be proven you can beat Devin Haney clean because right now nobody believes he did it.
Yeah, I think so. I think there's too many variables that's tainting the win no matter what. So Ryan would have to do that again, you know, at least to attempt to. But I've also seen Devin Haney say publicly that that's not a fight that he's interested in, you know, and I think Ryan jump right on that said, fine, I don't want to fight him anyway, and that's why he's calling all these other names.
But to say face you definitely would have to run that back.
And the other names like he's not fighting Aero Spence at least not next, he's not fighting sebastiavandor he's not fighting David Benavidez of all people, like he's not fighting these guys. Like the options for Ryan Garcia, I wouldn't call them limited, But I think the Haini fight has to happen. Look, Devin could say what he wants. Money talks at the end of the day, and there's gonna be a pile of money to do that fight in Vegas, to do it again on pay per view. Whatever the number was for the first fight on pay per view, it's gonna triple the next time, maybe quadruple the next time. I think the rematch could actually do over a million pay per view buys because the first fight was so climactic and had so much drama that people are gonna want to see the rematch, and the build up is going to be so hostile. I mean it was hostile already, but the negativity in that build up, it's it'll remind me. I think of you know, Ganelo, Glofkin, what too when or Glofkin's team was constantly, you know, chirping at Canelo's side, saying Canelos the cheater, Canalo just drugs. That's what led to the rift between Canelo and Able Sanchez at the time. So I think that, you know, there's gonna be so much interest and so much money in a rematch that we're going to see it either later this year early next year.
I would agree with you.
If we can get these these thieves to stop pirting fights and maybe we'll get a million pay per views, that's what's really her and the sport and the numbers man, no.
Question, no question. All right, Well check out Achen Barack May thirty, first overtime Boxing Live on his own do a great job with Corey Herdman on the commentary for those shows. Guys. Good to catch up at the priscofice this week. Good to catch up here as well. I appreciate it.
All right, thanks Chris, and.
When we come back, my conversation with Tyson Fury. All right, Tyson Fury is the WBC Ring Magazine and lineal heavyweight champion. On Saturday, he will attempt to unify all the titles and become the undisputed heavyweight champion. It takes on alexand Usik in Riad, Saudi Arabia. It's the fight you could watch on his own worldwide. And Tyson joins me from Riad here on the show. All right, Tyson, so there has not been an undisputed heavyweight champion in about twenty five years. I know you're not preoccupied with that at the moment, but does it get your juices flowing a little bit to have that kind of carrot hanging out there?
Yeah, it's a big event. You know, it's the first din disputed fight this century. So it's a monster event for Saudi Arabia and everyone involved. You know, I'm the WBC heavyweight Champion, lineal champion. That's important to me. All the belts at one time, I've had them all before and never lost them all in the rink. So to the opportunity to unify them all in one night, it's a good opportunity.
Well, make no mistake.
Am here to do a demolition job and get paid, get laid, get out of here, go home.
Back to me.
All the lets and glamor early doesn't mean much to me.
From me, so the win would make you the belt holder, all four belts, ring magazine, lineal champion, everything that goes with it. I've heard you say this week that you believe a win over Usik will make you the best heavyweight of all time. You're a student of the game. I know that there have been some great heavyweights throughout the years. Why would a win on Saturday put you above all others?
I because I'm not interested in anybody else. I don't want to be rated against anybody else. All the stuff of legacies and going down in history is all very irrelevant to me. Like I say, what happens in sixty years is none of my interest. What people say, think or care about is none of my interest. I made to get paid, get laid, and get out of here. That's all I'm interested. I'm interested in providing for my family, paying me bills, looking after me wife, and having a nice, peaceful life. Someone's opinion where they want to put me in history, not interested. I put myself as number one of all men. That's cliring me myself, not comparing myself to any other man, because you can never can pay yourself to any other man.
You can only ever compare each other to ourselves.
That's it.
So I've seen the pictures of you over the last few weeks, and and you look like you're in fantastic shape, the lightest that looks like you've been since maybe the two forty seven you weighed against Vladimir Klitchko, which also happened to be kind of your breakout performance in boxing conditioning wise, Is this as good as shape as you've ever been in.
I'm always in good shape, Hence the reason I can go twelve rounds and get off the canvas three or four times if needed to be so, whether I'm two ninety or two sixty, it's really unimportant. I think I'm lighter this time. I'm nowhere near to forty seven, probably about two sixty seven lighter now because I've had so much activity in training camps. I've had three training camps back to back, so I've had a long time in camp, so it's gradually a few pounds I've come off here and there.
You do look different than the guy we saw in your last fight against France and Ghana. What's been different about this training camp?
I think the difference is a year out of the ring, ballooning up in weight before the fight, before the year out, you know what I mean, And then in activity kills the cat every time. If I'm kept busy and I've got dates coming forward, I can concentrate and stay in shape and look forward to events. But when I'm out of the ring for years upon end with no dates and nothing coming up, and it's quite boring and it's not where being involved in.
This fight was originally set back in February, got cut, that'd be pushed back to this mad date. Looking back, now, do you think those extra three months helped you or hurt you?
I think I was ready for both fights.
You know I was in fantastic shape back then, in fantastic shape. Now what time you can always you can always do something with a lot of time, can't you? If you've only got two hours to live, what would you give to have ten hours to live. It's the most precious thing that we have, and the most the thing that we most take for granted as well, time, and it's slipping away like sand out of a bottle, and we can never get it back. We take it for granted, chasing other things that are not important.
Were you able to take advantage of those extra three months.
Yeah, I went a holiday with my family and spent time with my kids and walk me dog, and I enjoyed it, you know. And I went back into training camp about six seven weeks ago, and here we are.
You've seen the quotes perhaps from cutman, who say, oh, I don't know if that cut is going to hold up. You've seen I think it was Vladimir Klitschko that said Usick should target that cut. How concerned, if at all, are you about that cut opening up?
Not concerned.
I've had cops before and it just leaks blood makes the fight more entertaining.
So what kind of challenge do you think Usik is to you? He's not kind of that jab happy big man that Vladimir Klitschko was. He's not the massive puncher that Deontay Wilder is when you watch his fights what do you think it is that makes him so difficult to beat?
I just don't think he's fought the right opponent to beat him. No, he was a very it was a very good cruiserweight, and he was able to debat the cruise of weights comfortably. And he's had four fights at heavyweight and I've had thirty five fights at heavyweight. So I think that's the difference. I think if you're a heavyweight boxer and you're in it for years, and you're in it for fifteen or sixteen years as a pro, sometimes they drop decisions and get knocked out here and there, and that could happen to Usak. It hasn't happened to me so far, thank god. And that's probably a reason why it's not happened.
Is that jab the most important weapon to you in a fight like this because he's going to try to get inside on you. We all kind of know that, and is keeping that jab in his face all night a big part of what you need to do.
Get inside on me? And what's he gonna achieve when he's there?
I'm not sure kind of what he tried to do and did do with aj maybe, I mean.
I thought he boxed from mid range long range, come in with a one two back on mid to wrong? Are you talking about inside fighting like Joe Frasier.
Or nobody fights like that. That's a different level, guys, and nobody's fighting like that. But I expect him. You know, you you've got you know, you're a great you know box from the outside. You're brilliant, you know.
I want to Yeah, use the job. I didn't be effective with the job. Upper coats, right hands, left ups, all of the punches.
You know.
I don't buy into this stuff that there's only a certain few punches that you can land on us, how poor.
I don't buy into that at all. I buy into the.
Fact that you can land whatever punches you want on them if you set them up right and can do that.
Well, Tyson. I'm looking forward to it. I think the world is looking forward to it. We haven't had an undisputed heavyweight champion since Lennox Lewis. It's going to be a major event over in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Appreciate your time and thanks for joining me here on the show.
Thank you very much, guys, Go buss Byeye.
That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Aken Barak and Tyson Fury for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate, review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts, and I'll see you later in the week.
