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All right, well, welcome into a special edition of the podcast. Let's call it the Podcast after Dark because it is after four am, four thirty one am to be precise, in Riad, Saudi Arabia, where I am recording this.

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There were a lot.

There were a lot.

Of expectations for this event coming in and I felt they exceeded them. We had, you know, at least four really competitive fights, nip and tuck fights that came down to big moments or close score cards, and I just thought the whole event was excellent. Second time in three weeks we have had big cards in Saudi Arabia, and for the second time in three.

Of expectations for this event coming in and I felt they exceeded them. We had, you know, at least four really competitive fights, nip and tuck fights that came down to big moments or close score cards, and I just thought the whole event was excellent. Second time in three weeks we have had big cards in Saudi Arabia, and for the second time in three.

Weeks, these cards have delivered.

Weeks, these cards have delivered.

So on this episode, I'm just going to talk a little bit about the winners and losers from this Matchroom versus Queensberry card. Obviously, Frank Warren is the big winner, a clean sweep for Queensbury Promotions. They go five and zero against the Matchroom Boxing fighters. Eddie Hearn of Matchroom came in a lot of confidence that his guys were going to get the job done.

So on this episode, I'm just going to talk a little bit about the winners and losers from this Matchroom versus Queensberry card. Obviously, Frank Warren is the big winner, a clean sweep for Queensbury Promotions. They go five and zero against the Matchroom Boxing fighters. Eddie Hearn of Matchroom came in a lot of confidence that his guys were going to get the job done.

And even though there were some good.

And even though there were some good.

Performances, I thought Raymond Ford fought really well. I thought Craig Richards at the end of his fight, you know, put some shots together. Ultimately, this wasn't all Queensburg all the time type of cards. So Frank Warren the big winner. His promotional company gets the three million dollar bonus from the Saudi government, so a little extra change in the pocket of Frank Warren. But let's boil it down to some of the fights and some of the fighters. I think you can call every member of Team Queensbury a winner from this show.

Performances, I thought Raymond Ford fought really well. I thought Craig Richards at the end of his fight, you know, put some shots together. Ultimately, this wasn't all Queensburg all the time type of cards. So Frank Warren the big winner. His promotional company gets the three million dollar bonus from the Saudi government, so a little extra change in the pocket of Frank Warren. But let's boil it down to some of the fights and some of the fighters. I think you can call every member of Team Queensbury a winner from this show.

Willie Hutchinson.

Willie Hutchinson.

So Willie Hutchinson, you know, was a guy that like four or five fights earlier, had a knockout loss, and you know, coming into this fight, I thought Willie Hutchinson was a little bit too big for his bridges, like he was talking down to Craig Richards. Craig Richards is no, you know, pound for pound type of talent, but he gave Dimitri Bevil all he could handle in a light heavyweight title fight. He gave Joshua Bowatzi all he could handle in a title eliminator. So the resume of Craig Richards was a lot better than the resume of Willie Hutchinson coming into that fight. But I thought Willy was really good. He offensively, he landed a lot of power shots. I'm not usually a fan of fighters switching stances as often as Willy did, but he was really effective. Certainly struggled at times in the second half of that fight. I mean, he'd never been passed seven rounds before as professional, and I thought he ran out of gas kind of in the tenth and eleventh rounds of this fight, kind of opening the door a little bit for Craig Richards to give himself an opportunity to get a stoppage. But he ultimately closed pretty strong and came away with a wide unanimous decision. So now he is a player at one seventy five. He is going to be someone to.

So Willie Hutchinson, you know, was a guy that like four or five fights earlier, had a knockout loss, and you know, coming into this fight, I thought Willie Hutchinson was a little bit too big for his bridges, like he was talking down to Craig Richards. Craig Richards is no, you know, pound for pound type of talent, but he gave Dimitri Bevil all he could handle in a light heavyweight title fight. He gave Joshua Bowatzi all he could handle in a title eliminator. So the resume of Craig Richards was a lot better than the resume of Willie Hutchinson coming into that fight. But I thought Willy was really good. He offensively, he landed a lot of power shots. I'm not usually a fan of fighters switching stances as often as Willy did, but he was really effective. Certainly struggled at times in the second half of that fight. I mean, he'd never been passed seven rounds before as professional, and I thought he ran out of gas kind of in the tenth and eleventh rounds of this fight, kind of opening the door a little bit for Craig Richards to give himself an opportunity to get a stoppage. But he ultimately closed pretty strong and came away with a wide unanimous decision. So now he is a player at one seventy five. He is going to be someone to.

Watch in the light heavyweight division. Hams of Shiraz.

Watch in the light heavyweight division. Hams of Shiraz.

I didn't know too much about Hams of Shiraz coming into this fight. I mean I watched his last fight against Liam Williams, and he knocked him out in the first round. But my takeaway from watching that fight was that Liam Williams, after all these with uh you know, Liam Smith and Dimitris Andreid and Chris Eubank, I just thought he was shot born. I don't think that told me much about what kind of prospect Hams of Shiraz is. And even early in this fight against Amma Williams, yeah, I thought he was kind of unimpressive. You know, the second round he took a lot of shots, and I thought Ammo had a decent chance of scoring a stoppage in that fight. But Shiraz is a strong, strong guy. He's a big guy. I mean he is six y three officially he is won sixty but watching him in the ring looked like he was like one eighty one eighty five, just a big, big guy. It reminds me of kind of what Zerdo Ramirez was like, you know, at one seventy five rehydrating twenty plus pounds. I mean, he's just he was massive in there, and his power was real, Like he busted up Amma Williams. Amo had some good moments, especially early in that fight. But yeah, he took a sweeping right hook and got knocked down late in the fight and then you know, just a whole bunch of power shots that eventually led to the stoppage in that fight. So Abshiraz, that fight was an eliminator for the WBC Middleweight time. It's a belt currently held by Carlos A Damas. I would love to see a fight between Hamsa Shiraz and Carlos Adamas. I would guess that Adamas doesn't want that fight right now. I'm sure he's looking at unification fights janabek Uh, you know, bigger fights. It might be out there for him at one sixty. But if that fight happens, that's a great fight. I came away from watching hams A Shiraz thinking he was the real deal.

I didn't know too much about Hams of Shiraz coming into this fight. I mean I watched his last fight against Liam Williams, and he knocked him out in the first round. But my takeaway from watching that fight was that Liam Williams, after all these with uh you know, Liam Smith and Dimitris Andreid and Chris Eubank, I just thought he was shot born. I don't think that told me much about what kind of prospect Hams of Shiraz is. And even early in this fight against Amma Williams, yeah, I thought he was kind of unimpressive. You know, the second round he took a lot of shots, and I thought Ammo had a decent chance of scoring a stoppage in that fight. But Shiraz is a strong, strong guy. He's a big guy. I mean he is six y three officially he is won sixty but watching him in the ring looked like he was like one eighty one eighty five, just a big, big guy. It reminds me of kind of what Zerdo Ramirez was like, you know, at one seventy five rehydrating twenty plus pounds. I mean, he's just he was massive in there, and his power was real, Like he busted up Amma Williams. Amo had some good moments, especially early in that fight. But yeah, he took a sweeping right hook and got knocked down late in the fight and then you know, just a whole bunch of power shots that eventually led to the stoppage in that fight. So Abshiraz, that fight was an eliminator for the WBC Middleweight time. It's a belt currently held by Carlos A Damas. I would love to see a fight between Hamsa Shiraz and Carlos Adamas. I would guess that Adamas doesn't want that fight right now. I'm sure he's looking at unification fights janabek Uh, you know, bigger fights. It might be out there for him at one sixty. But if that fight happens, that's a great fight. I came away from watching hams A Shiraz thinking he was the real deal.

Nick Ball, big winner.

Nick Ball, big winner.

I thought nick Ball was going to win this fight because I thought the pressure of nick Ball was going to be problematic for Raymond Ford, especially since I didn't believe that Ray was going to be the best fighter he could be at that weight class. I mean, he has talked a lot over the years about moving up two one hundred and thirty pounds. He won his title in his last fight, and I truly believe that if it wasn't for the money that was on the table in Saudi Arabia, he would not be fighting at one twenty six. And look, that was a competitive fight. I actually scored it for forward one to fifteen one thirteen. Two judges disagreed they had at fifteen thirteen the other way, one judge had the same card that I did a very very competitive fight that I think when Ray looks back, he will look at some of those early rounds that he didn't deal well enough with the pressure of Nick Ball that ultimately cost him the fight. And for Nick, look, he could make an argument that he beat rave Argus last time out, that he should be the unified champion at one twenty six. Well, now he's got a real belt and his fighting style is very television friendly. So look, the one hundred and twenty six pound titles, a lot of them are kind of us based. I guess Luis Alberto Lopez, you could do a fight against Nick Ball. I just think he is going to be in some very fan friendly fights in the future. So great win for nick Ball and good for him too, for you know, he didn't get screwed against rave Argus, because I thought he did give away the first six rounds of that fight, but yeah, he closed strong. Can make an argument that he won and now he walks away with his first world title. So great performance by nick Ball. Now the heavyweights, this is where this event got really interesting, and it began with Danie Dubois against Philip Perkovich. You know, if you just watched the first round, you would think that Herkovic all day long, like the straight right hand from Herkovic just couldn't miss on Dubois. And I just remember sitting there thinking like, there's no way Dubois can take this many right hands. But to Dubois's credit, he just kept coming. He just kept moving forward and kept putting the pressure on Hurgoviac. Even the rounds that he wasn't winning, he was still landing enough shots to slow Herkovic down. And this was the question I think coming in about Hergoviac because a lot of people viewed him as one of the boogeymen in the heavyweight division. I think he was demystified to a degree by je Le Jeong in their fight, you know, competitive fight. Herkovic got the decision a few years ago. But yeah, I think I think he still was viewed as, you know, one of the best fighters in the heavyweight division, and he may still be. But you know what Duoa did to him, pressuring him, pushing him back, landing power shots.

I thought nick Ball was going to win this fight because I thought the pressure of nick Ball was going to be problematic for Raymond Ford, especially since I didn't believe that Ray was going to be the best fighter he could be at that weight class. I mean, he has talked a lot over the years about moving up two one hundred and thirty pounds. He won his title in his last fight, and I truly believe that if it wasn't for the money that was on the table in Saudi Arabia, he would not be fighting at one twenty six. And look, that was a competitive fight. I actually scored it for forward one to fifteen one thirteen. Two judges disagreed they had at fifteen thirteen the other way, one judge had the same card that I did a very very competitive fight that I think when Ray looks back, he will look at some of those early rounds that he didn't deal well enough with the pressure of Nick Ball that ultimately cost him the fight. And for Nick, look, he could make an argument that he beat rave Argus last time out, that he should be the unified champion at one twenty six. Well, now he's got a real belt and his fighting style is very television friendly. So look, the one hundred and twenty six pound titles, a lot of them are kind of us based. I guess Luis Alberto Lopez, you could do a fight against Nick Ball. I just think he is going to be in some very fan friendly fights in the future. So great win for nick Ball and good for him too, for you know, he didn't get screwed against rave Argus, because I thought he did give away the first six rounds of that fight, but yeah, he closed strong. Can make an argument that he won and now he walks away with his first world title. So great performance by nick Ball. Now the heavyweights, this is where this event got really interesting, and it began with Danie Dubois against Philip Perkovich. You know, if you just watched the first round, you would think that Herkovic all day long, like the straight right hand from Herkovic just couldn't miss on Dubois. And I just remember sitting there thinking like, there's no way Dubois can take this many right hands. But to Dubois's credit, he just kept coming. He just kept moving forward and kept putting the pressure on Hurgoviac. Even the rounds that he wasn't winning, he was still landing enough shots to slow Herkovic down. And this was the question I think coming in about Hergoviac because a lot of people viewed him as one of the boogeymen in the heavyweight division. I think he was demystified to a degree by je Le Jeong in their fight, you know, competitive fight. Herkovic got the decision a few years ago. But yeah, I think I think he still was viewed as, you know, one of the best fighters in the heavyweight division, and he may still be. But you know what Duoa did to him, pressuring him, pushing him back, landing power shots.

That was a guy fighting with a boatload of confidence.

That was a guy fighting with a boatload of confidence.

It was you know, the cut that Herkovic had to deal with, of course, was a big problem for him over the final few rounds of that fight. But this is all about Danny Dubois and how he fought in this fight. And look, you just you can look at records, and you can look at highlight reel knockouts, but until you see guys in with their contemporaries, with their peers, you just.

It was you know, the cut that Herkovic had to deal with, of course, was a big problem for him over the final few rounds of that fight. But this is all about Danny Dubois and how he fought in this fight. And look, you just you can look at records, and you can look at highlight reel knockouts, but until you see guys in with their contemporaries, with their peers, you just.

Don't know what kind of fighter that they are.

Don't know what kind of fighter that they are.

And I think Philip Perkovitch can go on and potentially win a heavyweight title. I think he still can bounce back, but you know he's conditioning in the fight against Dua, in the fight against Jang, We're not good it was not good. You know, by the middle of that fight against Duua, you wondered how Herkovic was going to make it to the final bell. And you know, when the doctors stopped it, I think they almost did Turkovic a favor because I think at some point Dua would.

And I think Philip Perkovitch can go on and potentially win a heavyweight title. I think he still can bounce back, but you know he's conditioning in the fight against Dua, in the fight against Jang, We're not good it was not good. You know, by the middle of that fight against Duua, you wondered how Herkovic was going to make it to the final bell. And you know, when the doctors stopped it, I think they almost did Turkovic a favor because I think at some point Dua would.

Have gotten to him and stopped him.

Have gotten to him and stopped him.

And you know, I talked to Duwa about this a little bit in the ring, and man, it just feels like we're looking at a fighter that has had three careers, right like the first part of his career when he was this promising prospect and he was knocking a bunch of guys out and he thought he was the next big thing in the heavyweight division. Then the Joe Joyce fight happens and he gets accused of being a quitter. Wrongfully accused, I believe, because he had a broken orbital bone in his face, and as we've seen that that's a real injury and guys don't recover from that. Then he has the fight with Usik, and even though some people would say the way he knocked Ousick down was clean, he got knocked out at the end by a jab and seemed to give up in that fight. But over the last six months, du Way has really turned a corner. He has reinvented himself. Digging deep to beat Drell Miller back in December was impressive. Digging deep to beat Philip Perkovic on Saturday was even more impressive. And now we're talking about dan Dubois once again as being a contender in the heavyweight division. Now he's got that interim version of the IBF title. My hell on all this is that at some point over the next few weeks you are going to see the IBF upgrade Dubois into the full champion. You know the I don't think the IBF wanted to strip Alexander Usik right away, but the reality is that mandatory fight was long overdue. And you know, you can say what you want about these sanctioning bodies, but the IBF does follow its rules, and I think they're going to elevate Dubois. If they don't, the full title is going to be on the line in September when Anthony Joshua takes on Danie Dubois, because that seems like the fight that's going to happen. Both these guys are British, The Saudis want to do a big show over in the UK. Wembley Stadium makes perfect sense. IBF title on the line, DUI AJ big fight. I think that's a no brain for September. And it's a no brainer because in the main event we saw the end of Deontay Wilder. You know, for the second straight fight, Deontay Wilder could not let his hands go, specifically that right hand fighting Jay Lee Jeong. You knew he was probably going to be fighting more on the back foot because Jong is a pressure, come forward fighter who has that big left hand, and he got to be aware of it. But again for the second straight fight, Wilder just did not and was not willing to let that right hand go. And if you're not willing to throw your best weapon with the frequency and the accuracy that you did during your heyday, you're not going to win a lot of fights. And look it was I believe what the fifth round when Jong landed that big shots and Wilder all the way around. Then he followed it up with a massive shot as well. I know Deontay protests a little bit at the end about the stoppage, but I think the referee in that moment saved Deontay from a brutal knockout.

And you know, I talked to Duwa about this a little bit in the ring, and man, it just feels like we're looking at a fighter that has had three careers, right like the first part of his career when he was this promising prospect and he was knocking a bunch of guys out and he thought he was the next big thing in the heavyweight division. Then the Joe Joyce fight happens and he gets accused of being a quitter. Wrongfully accused, I believe, because he had a broken orbital bone in his face, and as we've seen that that's a real injury and guys don't recover from that. Then he has the fight with Usik, and even though some people would say the way he knocked Ousick down was clean, he got knocked out at the end by a jab and seemed to give up in that fight. But over the last six months, du Way has really turned a corner. He has reinvented himself. Digging deep to beat Drell Miller back in December was impressive. Digging deep to beat Philip Perkovic on Saturday was even more impressive. And now we're talking about dan Dubois once again as being a contender in the heavyweight division. Now he's got that interim version of the IBF title. My hell on all this is that at some point over the next few weeks you are going to see the IBF upgrade Dubois into the full champion. You know the I don't think the IBF wanted to strip Alexander Usik right away, but the reality is that mandatory fight was long overdue. And you know, you can say what you want about these sanctioning bodies, but the IBF does follow its rules, and I think they're going to elevate Dubois. If they don't, the full title is going to be on the line in September when Anthony Joshua takes on Danie Dubois, because that seems like the fight that's going to happen. Both these guys are British, The Saudis want to do a big show over in the UK. Wembley Stadium makes perfect sense. IBF title on the line, DUI AJ big fight. I think that's a no brain for September. And it's a no brainer because in the main event we saw the end of Deontay Wilder. You know, for the second straight fight, Deontay Wilder could not let his hands go, specifically that right hand fighting Jay Lee Jeong. You knew he was probably going to be fighting more on the back foot because Jong is a pressure, come forward fighter who has that big left hand, and he got to be aware of it. But again for the second straight fight, Wilder just did not and was not willing to let that right hand go. And if you're not willing to throw your best weapon with the frequency and the accuracy that you did during your heyday, you're not going to win a lot of fights. And look it was I believe what the fifth round when Jong landed that big shots and Wilder all the way around. Then he followed it up with a massive shot as well. I know Deontay protests a little bit at the end about the stoppage, but I think the referee in that moment saved Deontay from a brutal knockout.

Because Jean was coming forward.

Because Jean was coming forward.

He is really heavy handed, and I think he would have put in Deontay down and out. So good on the referee for stopping that fight when he did. And look, Deontay, he made it clear during this fight week that if he didn't perform at the highest level in this fight, it was over. He's in his late thirties at this point, He's made a lot of money in his career, he's happy living in Alabama, He's got seven kids. There's really nothing left for him to do in the sport of box again. Look, there will be plenty of time to kind of dissect the career of Deontay Wilder, because that one of those careers that kind of needs a full autopsy, like you kind of really need to unpack it to see the good, the bad, and the ugly. But for now, I mean, I just want to focus on the kind of fights Deontay gave us. I mean, he gave us one of the best heavyweight trilogies that we will ever see. He will go down as one of the heaviest handed punchers in boxing history. He gave us electrifying moments in the heavyweight division. Maybe he won't be remembered as an all time great. He probably won't, but he left his mark on the heavyweight division, There's no doubt about that, and I do hope that he walks away. There was some talk before this fight about Jared Anderson. That's obviously off the table. There was certainly some talk about making an AJ fight that certainly is off the table. I just don't think Deontay has hasn't even left, and I think some of that has to do with age, Some of that has to do with his general ability, and I think some of it has to do with the wars he fought against Tyson Fury. I mean, we spent time a couple of weeks ago talking about what the Wilder fights took out of Fury. Well, how about what the Fury fights took out a Deontay Wilder. It's left him kind of a lesser version of his best self. So hopefully Deontay calls it a career, enjoys his life, and Joyce's family made his plenty of money. I don't think it's all that expensive to live in Alabama, so I think he's going to be able to enjoy the rest of his life and move on and do other things. But you know, good performance from Jang. I don't know where he goes from here exactly. I guess you could make a Parker rematch. You know, Joe Parker's looking for a big fight, either in September or October of this year. They were originally Pensylan to fight each other rematch anyway before the Wilder deal came together. So that's a pretty good fight in a rematch later in the year, and if he wins that, I think in twenty twenty five, we're talking about AJ against Jong in China.

He is really heavy handed, and I think he would have put in Deontay down and out. So good on the referee for stopping that fight when he did. And look, Deontay, he made it clear during this fight week that if he didn't perform at the highest level in this fight, it was over. He's in his late thirties at this point, He's made a lot of money in his career, he's happy living in Alabama, He's got seven kids. There's really nothing left for him to do in the sport of box again. Look, there will be plenty of time to kind of dissect the career of Deontay Wilder, because that one of those careers that kind of needs a full autopsy, like you kind of really need to unpack it to see the good, the bad, and the ugly. But for now, I mean, I just want to focus on the kind of fights Deontay gave us. I mean, he gave us one of the best heavyweight trilogies that we will ever see. He will go down as one of the heaviest handed punchers in boxing history. He gave us electrifying moments in the heavyweight division. Maybe he won't be remembered as an all time great. He probably won't, but he left his mark on the heavyweight division, There's no doubt about that, and I do hope that he walks away. There was some talk before this fight about Jared Anderson. That's obviously off the table. There was certainly some talk about making an AJ fight that certainly is off the table. I just don't think Deontay has hasn't even left, and I think some of that has to do with age, Some of that has to do with his general ability, and I think some of it has to do with the wars he fought against Tyson Fury. I mean, we spent time a couple of weeks ago talking about what the Wilder fights took out of Fury. Well, how about what the Fury fights took out a Deontay Wilder. It's left him kind of a lesser version of his best self. So hopefully Deontay calls it a career, enjoys his life, and Joyce's family made his plenty of money. I don't think it's all that expensive to live in Alabama, so I think he's going to be able to enjoy the rest of his life and move on and do other things. But you know, good performance from Jang. I don't know where he goes from here exactly. I guess you could make a Parker rematch. You know, Joe Parker's looking for a big fight, either in September or October of this year. They were originally Pensylan to fight each other rematch anyway before the Wilder deal came together. So that's a pretty good fight in a rematch later in the year, and if he wins that, I think in twenty twenty five, we're talking about AJ against Jong in China.

You know, one of Eddie Hearn's dreams for years.

You know, one of Eddie Hearn's dreams for years.

Because he worked with Joang for a long time, one of his dreams was to make a fight in Beijing a bird's nest, put like one hundred thousand fans or whatever it is into that venue. I think Jeong has made that a possibility once again. So if you can find a way to beat Parker and no easy task. Joseph Parker's having a good run, and if AJ can keep having some success, that could be a massive fight over there in two thousand and twenty five. So that's it for the night. Great night, great show. Great fights, great storylines that came out of it. Frank Warren wipes the floor with Eddie Hearn in the first five on five.

Because he worked with Joang for a long time, one of his dreams was to make a fight in Beijing a bird's nest, put like one hundred thousand fans or whatever it is into that venue. I think Jeong has made that a possibility once again. So if you can find a way to beat Parker and no easy task. Joseph Parker's having a good run, and if AJ can keep having some success, that could be a massive fight over there in two thousand and twenty five. So that's it for the night. Great night, great show. Great fights, great storylines that came out of it. Frank Warren wipes the floor with Eddie Hearn in the first five on five.

I don't think it's going to be the last five on five.

I don't think it's going to be the last five on five.

This team concept seems to have some legs and I think we'll see it back in Saudi, in the UK, maybe in the US. Talk of that too somewhere down the line. But a great night for boxing, and certainly a great night Frank Warren in Queensberry,

This team concept seems to have some legs and I think we'll see it back in Saudi, in the UK, maybe in the US. Talk of that too somewhere down the line. But a great night for boxing, and certainly a great night Frank Warren in Queensberry,