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And we are back Boxing with Chris Mannix, part of the Volume Sports podcast Network. When welcome in, everybody, that's listening on the podcast feed. If you are not a subscriber, get over that Boxing with Chris mannix feed. Hit that subscribe button. Make sure you get this pod in your feed every single week. And it has been a busy week already in boxing. We had a major fight over in Japan earlier in the Weekoa In a Way He successfully defends he's one hundred and twenty two pound titles against Lewis Neary, knocking Neery out in the sixth round of that fight. There was some drama early on in a Way got knocked down. The first you started to wonder was this going to be the fight that ends the run of in a way? Not so much. Three knockdowns later for in a Way, and he stops Luis Neary in that fight, And now we wonder what is that next big fight for NOA In a way? Is it Sam Goodman? Probably not. Is it mj Akmadaliev eh probably not either. Is there a big fight that will generate worldwide interest in in a way? Is there a big fight that can lure in a way back to the United States to fight? Keith Idek, longtime boxing writer currently working over at Boxing News, good friend of the podcast, He joins me to discuss in a way's performance. We get into the latest developments with Ryan Garcia. We talked Taaffan Molpez, all that and more with Keith Ideck. A little bit later, George Cambosis joins the show, and I will always have something of a soft spot for George Campbosa. I was ringside calling that tremendous performance a few years ago where Cambosis dethroned Tayafi Malope. Is that a run of bad luck? Since then lost two fights, Devin Haney was kind of unimpressive against Maxi Hughes. On Saturday in Australia Sunday morning in Australia, Saturday night here in the US, Cambosis will face Maslilomchango for the vacant IBF title. This is a huge fight for Cambosis because he has to prove that he is still on a championship level in order to continue to get these types of big fights. If he wins or has a good show and gets Mumba Changkok, We're still going to see Cambos's back in big fights. If he gets blown out, might be the end of the line for George campbos to stick around. Good conversation with George a little bit later in the show. As always, please subscribe, rate, review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts, and when we come back, my conversation with Keith Idek. All Right, Keith Idek, longtime boxing writer currently working over at Boxing News.
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Busy week in the world of boxing, and I do love when we get a good weekday show, which is what we had earlier in the week over in Japan when NOI in a way successfully defended his undisputed one hundred and twenty two pound championship, knocking out Luis Neary in the sixth round of that fight. There was a bit of a moment, dear Keith in the first round when Neari dropped in a way and you start to think, whoa, we just saw NEII in a great fight against Asadhovensian. Is Is this the moment that the monster gets dethroned? Not so much. I think that kind of just focused in a way locked him in a bit more, knocks Neari down three times and successfully defends his belts. Let's start there. What was your takeaway from in a Way Neeri earlier in the week Christ.
I think in some ways we learned more about in a way in this fight more than any other fight eight that you would want to see. Right, he couldn't have come back from that any better than he did. He composed himself, he got back into the fight, he took complete control of the fight in the next round, and he blew Luis neary out. A very commendable performance by in a way, and I think maybe again we learned more about him in this fight than any other fight than when he beat don Air.
Yeah, I mean it definitely made the fight more interesting in a way. Go down in the first round, it gets your heart racing a little bit, because every fight up until that point has had very few, you know, moments where you thought in a way was going to lose. It was more of the question would the opponent get to the final bell, and you know most of them have not up until this point. So it definitely made that fight a little bit more intriguing. But then you go shot for shot, within a way you're gonna lose. The guy is just too big a puncher, even at one hundred and twenty two pounds, and that's what it kind of boiled down to. With Neery. He just could not win a physical fight with Noya in a way, so good early moment, interesting early moment, and then afterwards kind of went exactly how I thought it was going to go. The question, though I have Keith, is like, what is interesting right now for Noya in a way? What is a good fight? We saw Sam Goodman get into the ring afterwards, and taking nothing away from Goodman, He's eighteen and oho, he's a credible title challenger. He's earned the right to fight for a world championship at twenty two, But like, does anybody out there really believe Sam Goodman's gonna win that fight?
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No, Like I feel the same way about Sam Goodman as I felt about Marlon Topolas, as I felt about Lewis Neary. Maybe he can have a moment or two in a fight like that, but at some point he is gonna fall, you know, fall victim to the biggest puncher in these lower weight classes. So is there an interesting fight out there for in a way in and around these weight classes? What is the fight that gets the public at large interested in an in a way fight?
It's not the Sam Goodman fight, As you said, Chris, He's a mandatory challenger, and Sam Goodman's a tough kid, and you know, a good win against rays Alim, and he's put himself in this position, so kudos to him, and he'll get paid off of this and everything. He'll go to Japan and get beat up. Frankly, he's not a big enough puncher. He's not nearly good enough to keep in a way off of him in any way, shape or form. That's a relatively easy fight for in a way, but in a way is at a point now, Chris, where it almost doesn't matter who he fights in Japan. He's going to do big business there no matter what. So in that way, he can stay there and draw big crowds and do good television and streaming ratings, and that's what he'll continue to do. It's kind of unfortunate for him, Chris, and that there's no natural big fight for him in what would be considered a reasonable weight class for him to move up to. Right, I mean, one twenty six should be about as high as he goes. I mean, there aren't many huge fights for him there at one hundred and twenty six pounds. I don't think, of course. People on the internet on Twitter and different social media platforms of course, are asking for him to fight Gervonte Davis. That's not a reasonable request. I mean, the guy's tiny, you know, he and yeah, people want Tank to move up to you know, to fight big, better fights at one hundred and forty pounds or take the fights at one hundred and thirty five pounds that people want to see. It's just not reasonable to ask in a way to move up or to criticize him for not moving up three more weight classes to fight Gervonte Davis.
He started one to weight, he started one hundred and eight, Like, going up to one thirty five is crazy. And I don't think by the way that Javonte is coming down to one thirty I don't think he's making that weight anymore.
And Christy, you know, people are saying, oh, well, Paquiao started in the lower weights like that, and he came up that the exception. That's a generational anomaly, you know, and you're not going to see that again probably, and it's not really fair to in a way to ask him to do that. So unfortunately for him, there's not this natural fight for him that people are going to get really excited about, except in Japan, where again he can fight whomever and it's going to do big business, and I think that's what he'll continue to do. I don't think we'll see him in the US unless there's some opponent from the US, and there aren't many in and around those weight classes that make a lot of sense for him to cross the Pacific Pond to come over here to fight. I mean, I don't think it's that he doesn't want to fight here, but if you're doing all this, like people from the United States sometimes are so arrogant that they think, oh, well, he has to fight, and he does he and why why does he have to fight in the US. He's doing huge numbers in Japan, making a lot of money. People are waking up, as you saw the other day, Chris people and many other times before, people are waking up on the East Coast, and you know, well, not really that early. It's the eight o'clock by the time the fight starts, but you know in some places it's five am or whatever, and people are waking up because they want to see this guy fight live. He's that exciting, he's that intriguing, and I think that's what he'll continue to do.
He's doing fifty thousand plus fans in the Tokyo Dome. He's making an excess, reportedly in excess of six million dollars for these fights. He has no reason to go anywhere but his home country. I mean, it's it's profitable, it's successful. He's a major star over there, so you know you're right, he doesn't have any reason to come over to the US. So there's two fights out there that I think are most fascinating. One is a domestic showdown against Junto Nakatani, who has a belt at one hundred and eighteen pounds. That's a big fight over in Japan. Na Katani moves up to one twenty two, we can challenge in a way that's a major your event in Japan. I think that's a great fight because both those guys are big punchers, and I think Wilm's gonna get knocked out, probably not Katani, but I think it's a great fight in Japan. The other more intriguing fight it's Bam Rodriguez Keith and I've been saying this. I've been saying this for over a year now since Bam won that belt at one fifteen, defended it, against Teresa catsil Rung beside, that's an interesting fight. Now Bam is going to fight in June against Gayo Estrada. That's a major fight in Phoenix end of the month. That is for Estrada's one hundred and fifteen pound title, which he won after Bam vacated that belt. After that, Bam might decide to unify. I think there's a rematch clause in that fight. He could fight Astrada again, but he could also move up to one eighteen and look for a belt in that weight class. And if Bam Rodriguez can get to one eighteen either later this year or early next year, and if in a way stays at one twenty two, which is going to do for at least one or two more fights some point the mid mid twenty and twenty five teeth, we're going to be talking about in a way versus Bam Rodriguez. And I think that is a really really interesting fight.
It is Chris, but again you're asking a guy, not you specifically, but he would be required to move up two more weight classes. And remember Bam was a guy who said he was more comfortable fighting at one hundred As he gets older of course and harder to make these lower weights, but he was more comfortable fighting at one hundred and twelve pounds than he was fighting at one hundred and fifteen pounds. So now really talking about maybe three weight classes. There's not much weight in between those divisions, but you're technically asking him to move up three weight classes above where he's most comfortable for this fight. Now, will he do it because there's so much money involved, Probably because we're you know, he's fighting at strata. That's a huge fight for the lower weight classes. That's a huge fight in the United States, and I think that fight will be it'll do good business in the United States, certainly nothing near what in a way's doing in Japan, but people are excited about that fight. And if he goes and performs well and beats the Strata, well you might be building some momentum toward the fight you're talking about. But he would go into that fight as a significant underdog. Even if he eats Estrata convincingly and then goes and wins the title at one hundred and eighteen pounds. Neither of those things are foregone conclusions by any stretch. So it's a big ask. But he's a young kid. He's very talented. People have been, you know, had their eye on him for several years becoming a star in the lower weight classes. So I think there would be some interest in it. But I almost look at in a way at this point. The Nakatani fight is interesting, like you said, because he's a big bantam weight and you know he'd be coming up. He's a big puncher, and in Japan that would be a great domestic fight. But in some ways I almost look at in a way right now where he is kind of like Claressa Shields because there's no one. If she fights Samannah Marshall again, there will be interest in that fight, but who is she fighting. She'd have to move down too much? And I know in a way is not moving down, but you'd have to move down too much. You'd have to move up too much. Who's she fighting?
Yeah, I don't know, but the idea of rodrig of Bam makes more sense to me because of what happened is last fight against Sonny Edwards. He made one twelve for that fight, but man, he had to kill himself to get there. Like he's a growing guy, right Like he's at one fifteen right now. I don't think it's a stretch to see him get to one eighteen pretty quickly. And once you're at one eighteen, you're only talking about one weight class in between. I know it's a lot of dot connecting there, but like, once you get to that threshold, if in a way is still at one twenty two and it doesn't sound like he's in any rush to move up to one twenty six, I just think it's a makeable fight that makes a lot of sense. Putting aside the fact that Bam maybe not in the healthiest of ways. It gets kind of big in between fights, Like he's a big guy. Him and his brother both put on some weight in between fights, and they have to really work their way to get back down to that one hundred and fifteen pound weight class. If he can win a belt at one eighteen before let's say the spring of twenty and twenty five, we're gonna be talking about it. It's gonna be out there because that is probably the biggest fight you can make in these lower weight classes. Bam has started to establish himself as not a star yet, but a known figure in US boxing circus, and of course in a way is the biggest star over in Asia, one of the biggest stars in terms of talent in all of boxing. That's a fight I think that that we're gonna be talking about and could be a makeable fight at that point in the middle of next year. And it's also Keith, I think a fight where we could see see in a way come over to the US, Like, is there enough money in a Las Vegas casino or you know, an MGM grand property to get in a way to come over to fight Bam Rodriguez. Will Bam be big enough? Now he hasn't sold a ton of tickets to this point, but I do think they'll do well in Phoenix for the astratafy. I think they can do ten thousand seats in Footprint Center in Phoenix. Is Bam a big enough star for a Vegas casino to say, you know what, we'll put up whatever it is X million dollars to get these two guys over here to fight in our venue. That's a fight, Keith. I think we could see in a way make his return to the US.
Four And I don't think in general Chris that he's opposed to fighting in the US. It just makes more economic sense from the stagnfully meantime, because remember, right before the pandemic, he was supposed to fight John Reel Casamario at Mandalay Bay, and then of course the whole thing got scrapped because of the pandemic, so he was going to fight here, and that wasn't perceived as a huge fight. I mean, it's too a Filipino fighting a Japanese fighter, So it could have really been anyone fighting in a way in that spot. That would have been a fun fight if it ever had happened. But because Casamaro is a big puncher and everything, of course you would favor in a way to beat him. But Casamaro really can crack, and that would have been an interesting fight, I think. But so I think he'll eventually come back to the United States for a fight, whether it's Bam Rodriguez or someone else. You know, Chris, It's interesting how it all unfolded over the last four or five months, too, because I think now we would be talking about if Robisi Romerez didn't to Rafael Espinoca, we would be talking about in a way moving up to one twenty six. I don't know if it would have been a permanent move or a temporary move, but we would be talking about him moving up to featherweight and fighting Robesi Ramirez. Bob aram had mentioned that to me and many other people a year ago. That was the blueprint. They were going to have him, you know, become a champion of hope in their eyes, become a champion in another weight class. And Ramirez had rebuilt his career to the point where people were really high on him again, you know, his win against Nova and then you know, winning the title and everything the way that he did. So it was a surprising loss to Rafael Esespinoza and that derailed that fight, but I think we would be talking about in a way making his featherweight debut in his next fight had that not happened.
Yeah, and now you look at one twenty six, and what's the big fight there. I mean, Leewood is gone, ray Ford's one fight away from being gone. Espinosa is not a big name. Ray Vargus currently as a belt at won twenty six, he could be gone as well, Like there is nothing all that interesting at one twenty six that would at least motivate in a way to move up and take that type of fight. By the way, did you see the video of John Real Cassamaro watching the In a Way fight? It was on Twitter and I saw it over the last couple of days where he was celebrating, you know, excessively with his friends when Neery knocked in a Way down, and then at the end of the fight they show the closeup of them and they're just dead, silence, no reaction whatsoever when in a Way goes in and stops, stops nearing. That was that was great? I'm sure you saw that.
But maybe Casamaro has a DraftKings account or something and he puts some coin on nearry or something.
Who knows, you know, no, but I think it was more like, you know, like he probably felt it was vindication, like, yeah, I told you, wasn't that good? And maybe he is. Maybe he really is that good. We got to talk about Ryan Garcia and the latest developments with Ryan. I try not to engage too much with all this, Keith because there's so much misinformation being put out there, a lot of it being put out there, quite frankly by Ryan Garcia. But what we know at this point is that Ryan Garcia has tested positive for austerine the other substance that was detected in his system. Apparently that's not enough to call it a positive test necessarily, But osterene was in his system on the nineteenth, and it was in his system on the twentieth. That is what he has to deal with. Now. May twenty second is when the B sample is going to be opened up and it will be tested. But as you well know, ninety nine times out of one hundred or whatever it is, the B sample comes back the same as the A sample. What happens after that, Keith, Like, what happens if the B sample on May twenty second, or whenever it's officially tested, comes back as positive for austre. What is Ryan Garcia's next move? Then?
Well, from a legal standpoint, I don't think he has a recourse or anything, because, as you well know, Chris, we've discussed this many times. Ultimately, you're responsible for what you put in your body. I'm not saying I don't know what his intent was, and I'm not going to sit here and accuse him of this or that. I tend not to give fighters the benefit of the doubt for obvious reasons. There's a lot of money at stake, and people have taken shortcuts for decades. So I don't know what he did on purpose and what he didn't do on purpose. What I do know is that he's responsible for whatever is ingested into his system, so he has to pay the penalty for that. I know you and I did an emergency pod or whatever the day after the fight, and we and when I when you asked me about it that day, I said, well, maybe they'll take some time in between and Devin Haney will go get himself together in a tune up fight in between or whatever, and then they'll fight again after that. Now, I think it's almost imperative for Ryan Garcia to make this rematch happen again, because he's still after what he did April twentieth, now has a point to prove again that he can do it on the up and up, because again, no matter who was at fault, whether he did it on purpose or whatever, he had this in his system, it's a banned substance. It's now a tainted victory, whether he likes it or not, and he really should fight Devin Haney again. I think Devin Haney deserves that based on what happened with obviously the PD testing him coming in three plus pounds overweight. Devin Haney deserves to be treated fairly in this case and get a second shot at Ryan Garcia, hopefully immediately, no matter what happens on the twenty second with the B sample. I hope that happens. There's clearly a lot of intrigue in a rematch now, right, maybe much more so than before we found out about this test, right because at that point it just seemed like Ryan Garcia beat down Devin Haney. That's what it seemed like then, and now there are obviously questions about his wins. So I think there's a lot of intrigue related to the rematch now. Hopefully the business will make sense and they'll do it again some time later this year.
Yeah, I want to see the rematch as well. Before then, though, like I think, Ryan Garcia has two fights on his hand. One fight is with the New york'sty Athletic Commission and what they are going to decide when it comes to this victory. Now, my guess, and I believe you'd probably agree with me, is that the New York Commission, if this B sample comes back positive, which it's more likely than not to come back the exact same as the a sample. The Yor Commission will overturn the result, they'll declare it a no contest, and they will, you know, slap some kind of suspension on Ryan Garcia, maybe six months, maybe it's a year, but you know, six months to a year is kind of the going rate for suspensions in the US anyway, for first time type of offenses. So he's got that battle in front of him. The next battle he's got is in the court of public perception. You know, Canelo Alvarez back in twenty eighteen, he tested positive for clem butterol and he got hit with the six month suspension. He paid a price for it from the Nevada Commission. But I think Keith that Canelo kind of skated on it in a way in the public eye because he had a plausible story. Whether you believe it or not, that's up to you. But there was a plausible story out there about tainted meat. You know, Mexican athletes had tested positive for it. It's in you know, meet there again. Believe it, don't believe it, But he had at least an explanation. Ryan Garcia needs an explanation. He needs to show how this substance got into his system, whether it is attached to a supplement or a medication or something that he would have taken unknowingly to get into his system. Because right now, blaming Victor Kanti ain't it. I'm not a fan of Victor Conti. I don't think Victor Conti or Memo already yet belong in the sport of boxing. If you are part of you know, ped distribution in a prior life, you should not be allowed back into professional sports. That's my opinion on Victor Conti. But saying that Victor Conti set him up and saying that this is all someone big conspiracy, that's not going to fly. So to me, it's important for Ryan Garcia in terms of public perception, to at least come up with something plausible, you know, whether it is tainted meats, you know, tainted eggs. As we see with Conner Band again, there's a wide section of people that aren't going to believe him. You know, that's fine, But if you can come up with a reason, a reason that people can believe, some will believe you, some will be willing to say he did it accidentally. If you don't and you continue to stick to the conspiracy theory stuff. No one's going to believe you, and I think it's going to follow you around the rest of your career.
This stain is going to remain with Ryan Garcia for the rest of his career. As you said, Chris, like it or not for him, even if it were an honest mistake, which I don't know, but this is going to stick with him much like it is stuck with Canelo, because I think we're almost playing with the definition of plausible a little bit based on you know what can you know? Because you and I have both been very skeptical about it, and people still think that Canelo cheated, intentionally cheated and it and it hasn't gone away. I mean Oscar used that as a motivational tool as a way to get under Canel last week, and I found it hilarious when Oscar was saying, oh, I didn't really mean to get to it. Wasn't my intention to get into his head. That's exactly what you were doing. It's the whole purpose of it, which is fine.
I mean, you wrote the speech. You wrote the speech or so.
That's the art of you know, promotional antics and everything. But yeah, I mean I don't no matter, I understand if Ryan Garcia made an honest mistake. Let's just give him the benefit of the doubt this for the sake of this argument and say that he did make an honest mistake. This is not going to go away because there are going to be people who always think that he intentionally cheated, and whether he did it on purpose or not, he was dirty in this fight. That's it, period. And blaming it on Victor CONTI what you know. I had my own public thing with Victor a couple of years ago, and I don't have anything personally whatever. I mean, I don't think he should be than boxing either. But blaming this on Victor Kanti is ridiculous. I mean, the VI Kanti has nothing to do with with his testing, that that because he knows Margaret Goodman or was involved in Vado once upon a time. It's nonsense. I mean, this has nothing to do with Victor Kanti or that look.
And to be clear, key, just to just to put in perspective, like these tests are not done in like Victor Kanti's lab. They're all done in Saltlake City. All these labs.
Kanti have access to his test I mean you know, so anyway, he's trying to excuse this away. That's the bottom line, Chris. He's trying to excuse this the way and he's not going to be able to do that, like it or not. He's going to have to deal with this head on the best way that he can do that. And as you mentioned, it's a potential obstacle toward them fighting sooner rather than later if he is suspended for more than six months. If he gets suspended for six months, they could fight late in the fall or something like that and fight immediately without having fights in between.
Six months is even a suspension for fighters. Well, that's a typical time in between fighters.
But but if he gets suspended for a year, well, Devin Haney is not going to wait around for a year for that. He's gonna want to fight in between, and I'm sure he'll get a fight that's reasonable for him.
Sand Or Martin, Baby sand Or Martin.
It's not a dangerous fight in the sense that Sandor Martin is not a big puncher, but it's not an easy fight because there are people who will tell you that he beat Tafimo Lopez. He obviously beat Mikey Garcia, that's a that's a tough fight. Like, you know, he might have to do it because he's his mandatory and all that.
But I think Devin, though, would stink out the joint more than Sando Martin would stink out the joint. I think he'd win a stink fight, right. I don't think it would be aesthetically pleasing at all, but I think Devin would probably out box no One.
Fighting sand Or Martine is in an aesthetically pleasing fight, right, I mean, it's that happens when you fight him basically, you know. So I don't see see an exciting fight with him, but maybe that's what Hane winds up doing if if Ryan Garcia gets suspended for a So we all have to wait to see how this plays out, but I would hope that ultimately they just fight again in an immediate rematch later in the year.
Yeah.
And the other name that Ryan has been throwing out there this week is Erol Spence. They've been going back and forth on it on social media. Obviously there's a connection there. Errol Spence now in a very public dispute with his now former trainer, Derek James. Ryan, of course trained by Derek a lot of social media back and forth there. Ryan went as far to make another poster. Remember he made Garcia Romero a few months ago when he thought that fight was going to happen. Now he's making Garcia against spent Spence August tenth in Texas. That's wishful thinking. I think you and I would both agree. Does that fight make any sense to you? Is that interesting to you at all? Ryan Garcia and Erol.
Spence, Well, the storyline is incredible, there's no two ways about that. But he's now going to move up two weight classes to fight Errol Spence, who clearly has done at one hundred and forty seven pounds and is fighting out one four.
It's gonna fight Fondora there right, Like, so my wine at Errol Spence.
I mean he almost he you know, he was close to a junior middleweight for his fight against Devin Haiti when he weighed in. I guess, so what's the difference really? But uh, look it's a natural thing because of what's going on with Derek James right now. But I don't see that fight happening. And look, Errol's going to take uh, He's going to test the waters out at one hundred and fifty four against the junior middleweight. He's not going to fight Ryan Garcia, and I think based on some of Spence's responses, he was kind of just like okay, you know, kind of showing him away a little bit like he was it's not a realistic thing and he's just being trolled. And yeah, it's unfortunate. What's with what's going on between Earl Spence and Derek James because I really looked at that partnership as one that would stand the test of time, even in boxing. There was a bond there and uh closeness there that seemed real to me. And unfortunately, when money's involved, Chris, you know, oftentimes these things happen. But that was one I didn't see coming though, that they would break up over money. And I certainly see where Derek's coming from. But it's one of those unfortunate things.
Yeah, it's it's tough because you're right, you rarely get someone that trains you, you know, from the very beginning, dating back to your amateur days, your pro debut, all the way through your career. We just saw Canelo Alvrez and the Renosso's Eddie Renosso Chepa Renoso. That is an example of one that has worked. It is disappointing when you know that kind of relationship ultimately breaks up. Look, I just even if Ryan wanted to fight Ero Spence, and even if Aero Spence wanted to fight Ryan, this, this New York issue is not going to go away in three months, right Like, if this comes back as what it looks like right now, the Commission is going to make that fight a no contest and they will suspend Ryan Garcia for a period of time. So I think we're talking about late fall before you know, we're even discussing Ryan Garcia and back in the fight against anybody. That's just my my educated guess on all this. I want to talk for a minute about Taffima Lopez, who right now it seems like, is still heading towards a fight against Steve Clagett down in Miami June twenty ninth. This is not something Keith that is getting Taffimo Lopez out of bed right now, Like he is not all that excited about the idea of fighting Clagett, who is a fine fighter, but not a name and you know, not someone that Taffimo envisioned himself fighting at this stage of his career. And as I look across the one hundred and forty pound division at potential options for Tafimo, I just don't see a great one right now, not at least before the end of this year. The other title holders you're looking at Super Almatias, you know, I don't think that's going to happen this year. You've got Isak Cruz. I don't think that's gonna happen this year. And of course Devin Haney, he's got his own stuff to deal with before he even revisits the idea of fighting ta Femo. I don't know, like you know, top rank. You know, they've invested a lot of money, a lot of time in this guy. Is there a fight that they can make that you think will satisfy you know, ta Femo's desire to be in a big fight.
He's sort of in no man's land here, Chris a little bit, because it looks like Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney are going to be tied together for quite some time here before they finish their business, right because those were going into their fight, those were the two natural opponents, or in whoever one would be a natural opponent and a unification fight and moving forward with tia Fimo Lopez. Now you remove those two opponents from the pool, and what are you looking at? Like you just said, I mean, guys are with other promoters, they're high risk, like super Real Matias is kind of like a high risk, relatively low reward type of fight for tia Femo Lopez, and it would require them to work with Desonne and or Matchroom, however that would work out. There's a there's Esa Cruz. The same principle applies. You'd have to work with PBC and all that to make that fight happen. And I don't know that that's necessarily a big fight either. What I do know is I do not, under any circumstances want to see tia Fimo Lopez fight Steve Claggett, who's a fun fighter from Canada. I've seen his most recent fights, like those last three or four fights on ESPN and everything Steve Claggett comes to fight has no business being in the ring with tia Fimo Lopez. Doesn't deserve a title shot. This is silly and it's not a good, in my opinion, not a good use of top ranks budget for TFM Lopez's next fight. Now, they're in a bad position because of what we've already discussed. There aren't any natural opponents out there for tia Fima Lopez that would make sense, Certainly, no one within the top rank stable because Jose Ramirez left and Arnold Barbosa Junior left and are now with Golden Boy. There's not much there for them to choose from. I get that, But Steve Claggett, how low on the list? With Steve Claggett, Now, you have to pay tia Fimo Lopez a lot of money. Understand that, And I'm sure Steve Claggett's getting a very small percentage of what's available for that fight. And I don't mean to I'm not trying to belittle Steve Claggant. He's a tough guy, he's got some popularity in Canada and everything, but he has zero chance whatsoever to be ta Fimo Lopez. And it is a complete mismatch that should not happen.
Now, you sound like me with the uh what was I What I said of zero Charlo against Canelo was the one I had said at zero? Oh no, no. Keith Thurman. Keith Thurman against.
But at least Keith Herman, at least as you would admit, Yes, he has an elite level fighter, Steve. No one's use Steve Klaggett for being an elite level fighter.
I mean, you know, I just don't know what you do other than put the guy on the shelf. I don't know what you do. Like you go down the list of the guys at one forty, like do you want to do a Jermaine Ortiz rematch? No, nobody wants to see that. I don't see it, Like I look, I've looked up and down the respective rankings, Like the two guys that were most likelyer guys just left, you know, in Barboza and Ramirez, so without them, I don't know what you do, Like I mean, Sergei Lipinyat said a fun fight. You want to see if he's ready to go the end of June, like I don't. I don't know what. I don't know what top rank does in this situation. I think they're between a rock and a hard place with you know, one of the biggest names in their stable, and now they're in a similar position at the moment with Shaquarr Stevenson. But at least of Cors Stevens and you can look and say, hey, you get through this fight in July, you re sign with us or at least whatever short term deal, We'll give you a loma. You know later on this year. You know, we can do maybe a unification fight somewhere else next year. Like I can see a pathway there. I don't know what the pathway forward is with Top Rank and Tea Femo. I think it's Claggett or it's what I mean, what what is it? What is it out there?
And in fairness to Top Rank, they did try to make higher profile fights for Tia Femo Lopez. They offered Jose Ramirez two million dollars to fight him, and Ramirez opted to go sign with Golden Boy and turn down the fight, so they didn't try to do that, and then they put him in the ring with Jermaine or Tis. Jermaine Ortiz is very good, you know, fought from the South past Stancel virtually the entire fight, and there are people who think that he beat Tafimo Lopez. I understand what you're saying that there's not much public demand for their rematch, in the sense that their fight was not entertaining, but based on the outcome, you could argue that it should happen again, but it would cost a lot of money too, because Lopez gonna want more money to fight him again, or Teez is gonna want more money based on how the first fight went. Maybe that's too expensive of a fight for them at this point to keep on ESPN, to keep it on ESPN their waves or on ESPN Plus. So they're in a tough position as far as that goes, Chris, But you know, maybe what you said about Shakor now, naturally Shaquur wins this fight on July sixth and Lomachenko wins on Saturday night or Sunday afternoon in Perth, Australia. That's the fight that makes the most sense, and it's the fight that Cha Cour Stevenson wanted next. He wanted it when he fought Edwin del Santos. A totally smart fight to make makes perfect sense and all that if for whatever reason, loma Chenko does not want to fight Shakur. Stevenson has talked about moving up as high as welter weight, and people think that eventually he will develop into a welterweight and that's where he'll settle in for a lot of his career. Maybe Shakur would want to move up to one hundred and forty pounds and fight Tia Femal Lopez if he bro because right, and if Stevenson's the reason why Stevenson wants to test the water is more than anything potentially in free agency, is because he wants bigger fights. But the Ta Femal Lopez fight, he's a big fight. So maybe if if that's what top rank can promise him to keep him in the fold, maybe that's what does it. I mean, it's not you're not asking him to move up two or three weight classes. It's five pounds and he and he's a growing kid, and and Tia Fema and him are practically the same size heightwise and everything are practically the same size. So I don't think that's too big of an ask. And that's a real fight, you know, would it would?
Do you think Loma? Do you think Loama wouldn't want to fight him though? Because Loma wants all those but they don't want I.
Want to fight him last year?
Yeah, So I don't know.
I mean, there were there were there were people that I spoke to that that communicate with Lomachenko. Obviously, Lomachenko never told me this, AGAs Klemus never told me this, But there were people who thought that Lomachenko might might have retired after the Haini fight, because he, you know, there's still a war going on in Ukraine. He was very disenchanted by the outcome of the Hani fight, and obviously he got over that after a while. He's being paid very well to go over to Australia frankly to be a guy who's Cambos is a tough guy, you know, and made the most of his opportunity against Tiafi Ma Lopez. But really, I mean he got dominated twice by Hani, might have lost to Maxi Hughes. This is a fight that Lomachenko should win handily.
Yeah, look, I agree, And that was kind of what I was going to get to next, this Cambosa's Lomachenko fight Saturday night here in the US Sunday morning over in Australia. I just a guy like George two. What he did that night in New York City was remarkable because no one believed he was gonna win that fight. People on his own team didn't believe he was gonna win that fight, and he go insto hostile territory and out boxes Tayofi Malopez. But what I've seen since then gives me no reason to believe he's gonna have much of a chance against the fire of the caliber of Lomachenko. The Hainy fights were not competitive. The Max and Hughes fight has actually aged even worse, given how bad Max Hughes looked against Williams of PAYDA, who's obviously the real deal. But MAXI just got steamrolled by Zapeida. Look to me, you know, success for George camboss might be making it to the final bell, like just getting out of that fight in twelve rounds given credit. I mean, I don't think there's anybody in recent boxing history that has made more money out of one win than George Cambos's has. He got two huge paydays to fight Devin Haney, got another pay day to fight Max and Hughes, and now is back in Australia, presumably getting another big payday to fight Lomachenko. And even if he loses, there's probably still some money in a fight against Tafimo in a rematch, which is another fight that could potentially be for Tafimo down the line. So I think he's done a masterful job of maximizing his earnings. But I look at this matchup and Keith, unless Lomachenko is shot, unless he's got nothing left after the Haini fight, this is a fight that I think Lomachenko should dominate.
I agree with you, Chris. Let's just say that the unlikely happens, that very unlikely happens, and Cambosis wins to tie it all together, well, then you got a big fight for tia Fima Lopez. Cambosis would have beaten Lomachenko, moves up to one hundred and forty pounds to fight tia Fimo Lopez, then you gotta fight, you know, Like I guess that that just when we think we all have it figured out, Chris, I mean we've learned this lesson countless times. The unexpected happens sometimes, So maybe he pulls off an upset and then he fight winds up fighting. I think you're right that the that the Lopez rematch is kind of always there for him because tia Fimo will always want it. But it would be hard to sell that coming off of back to back three last four performances against Devin Haney, non competitive performances against Devin Haney, a questionable win against Max T. Hughes, and then a probable loss to Lomachenko. That's that's hard, that's a hard sell.
Yeah.
Look, if Cambosis is able to pull off another upset, I agree with you. I think he's far more likely to move up and wait and fight Tea Fimo than fight scher Corse Stevenson, because that's a fight that would not go well for George Cambosis. I think a Ta Fimo fight he probably also be an underdog in, but at least he knows the guy, he knows how to fight him as best he can. Going up against Kop I think would would be a bad result for Cambos's. Last thing for you here, Keith, you know we saw the Canalo fight this past weekend. Pretty good fight, entertaining fight against Himian McGee. Canelo ultimately, you know, winds up winning a decision. Now the conversation shifts to what is next, and you and I both agree it's not gonna be David Benavitez. Canelo came out recently and at one point it was one hundred and fifty million dollars he wanted to fight Benavidez. Now it's two hundred million that he wants to fight Benavidez. So that's off the table at least for now. Which leaves you, or left us earlier in the week with two potential options. That one would be Jamal Charlo, who was a champion at one sixty, the other being Edgar Berlanga, who was in Las Vegas telling everyone with a microphone that he was getting the Canelo fight next. The Charlo news this week was a bad you know, dwi, you know, effectively evading cops. You know, a lot of bad stuff going on with Jamal Charlo. Now he officially has been stripped of his title by the WBC. Carlos Damas is now the full title holder. That makes me believe Keith that it is Edgar Berlanga or bust Edgar Berlanga, of course, has the relationship working with Mattroom. Canelo has worked with Mattroom in the past. Berlanga, for whatever it's worth, nominally the number one contender for the one of the belts that Canelo holds. Is that how you see it or is there a dark horse in all this that could make his way into the Canelo sweepstakes.
No, I see him fighting Berlanga. Chris, and after the fight when he said in the ring something to the effect that I can do whatever his exact words, or I can do whatever I want, that was an effect saying let me know when the Berlanga press conferences and I'll be there. Because that's what he's saying, right, I'm not He in effect said, I Am not fighting Benavidez. Stop asking me about this. We have to ask the questions. Of course, it's our job. We're going to continue to press him on fighting Benavitez because that's the fight that should happen. It's not happening anytime soon. No one's paying him one hundred and fifty million dollars to fight anyone. So unfortunately, as much as no one is going to want to see it, he's going to fight Edgar Berlanga. Next. I heard Berlanga on your podcast, I believe it was last week, and Berlanga talked about a lot of things about what his entrance music is going to be, all the celebrities that he knows. One thing he didn't say was how is he going to beat Canelo Alvarez, and I don't mean give away his exact game plan, but why should anyone believe that Edgar Berlanga is capable of beating Canelo Alvarez. There is nothing that he has done thus far in his career that would indicate that he's capable of doing so. Berlanga is a nice guy. I like Berlanga. I nothing, He's a tough kid. You know, he had this knockout streak that put him on everyone's radar. He's done a good job of putting himself into this position. He's been guided by Keith Connolly to get into this position. They've made some masterful moves that have gotten him here. Kudos to them for that, But he he does not. What he has accomplished does not warrant a shot at all four titles. Now that happens all the time. I mean, guys, get you know, there's Yielderin didn't deserve to fight Canelo either, but he did so. I'm not saying it's not going to happen. It's going to happen whether we like it or not. But what are the fans getting out of that? I get it, you know, Puerto Rico, you got the Puerto Rico Mexico rivalry. They'll be all kinds of celebrities involved, and that's all positive for boxing that people who are extremely popular outside of the boxing space are interested in this fight because they're supporting Edgar Berlanga and you have, you know, Mexican celebrities that support Canelo. That's all fine, but you're gonna what are you gonna charge eighty ninety dollars to watch Canelo win a fight in which he enters the ring as what a twenty to one favorite? I don't know. I mean he would have to be right.
Yeah, I would be a big favorite. And you're right, you know, Berlanga's arguments, if I remember correctly, for how he can beat Canello, is effectively, don't worry my ring IQ and my performances go up based on the competition. And that's that's a hard argument to believe when the best win of Edgar Berlanga's career was probably a guy like Padra McCrory, who is an unknown in most boxing circles, it's tough to It's tough to make the argument that Berlanga would be anything but a punching bag for Canela. He's got some pop and I'm sure Canelo will respect it early on. But if Jimi Mongia can't put a dent in Canelo Alvarez, I don't know how Edgar Berlanga is going to do it. And Canelo showed against Mungia that fourth round he still has real pop behind his punches. He can hit you with shots that you don't expect, that you don't see, and that's still a weapon in his in his arsenal. So I do think that it is though going to be Berlanga that most likely to fight for September. I think the question is what does he do after that? And look, we've got that big fight August third, with Terrence Crawford moving up to one fifty four to fight Israel Madramof. We have read the comments from Turkey Ala chic over in Saudi Arabia saying he wants to make Canelo against Crawford. I gotta believe Keith that if Crawford wins a belt at one fifty four, that opens the door a little further for a fight against Canalo. Up until that point, Canelo was saying, now, I don't want to fight a welter way there's now upside in it for me. If Crawford all of a sudden has a belt at one fifty four, well, it still is a big size gap, no question about it, but at least in the mind of Canelo, would probably justifies a little more. Plus, if the Saudis want it, then there's going to be real money on the table to do it. So I think that's the fight that I could see happening, maybe before the end of the year. Maybe we could be talking about December. Canelo has done that before, He's fought in September and fought again in December. If he gets through a Berlanga fight relatively easily and the money is right, I could see Canelo against Crawford in December of this year. How about you?
Yeah, I would. I don't know about the December Park Christian maybe that would that would be true. And they obviously the Saudis wanted a fight in December this past year. They were hell bent on doing it and they and they did do it on December twenty third, So that makes a lot of sense. But I think if you're Canelo, let's just say he goes and beats Berlanga and it's imperative that Crawford is impressive against madrim Off, like he wins that fight convincingly. Right, If he does do that and Canelo goes and beats Berlanga in September, then I could see the momentum, as you said, building toward Canelo and Crawford. Because he doesn't want to fight David Benavidez. I'm not saying he's you know, the guy's done more than enough in his career and he fought glove Can three times and all that, and people said he would never fight glove Can, So I'm not going to say he's afraid or anything like that, but he clearly does not want to fight David Benavidez because all of the things that he has said about fighting David Benavidez don't measure up to someone who thinks that that's a fight that he can win for whatever reason. And I'm not saying he couldn't beat David Benavitez, but there's there's a reason why he is avoiding this fight, and that's what he's doing at this point. He's not he's making all kinds, you know, he's playing with war words and everything, but he's avoiding David Benevetez and now.
But no I was saying, Canelo needs to make some decisions though, Keith, because I got to the arena early this past Saturday, and I watched my man William Skull win on the undergard and my man William Skull fighting in front of quite literally nobody but the people that worked there, picked up a decision win on the Canelo undercard. He is the IBF number one contender. If Canelo's not careful, William Skull is coming for all those belts.
Well, let me tell you that if Canelo wants to make six figures for his next fight, he can fight William Skull. How about that?
At some point we have to have a conversation about the IBF making a fighter the mandatory who has no significant wins and in his most recent fight fights an eight rounder. That was an eight round fight. He thought that last time. This is something wrong.
I'd love to hear the justification for William Skull being the number one contender in their rankings. I doubt we'll get it.
Could William Skull last longer than Ovdi Julderum? That would probably be the only question I'd have coming into that fight.
I hope we never find out.
I hope we never fight out either. Keith Aidek. Follow him on social media at ideck Boxing, check him out in Boxing News. Good friend of the podcast. Keith always good to catch up man. I always appreciate it.
Thanks, Chris, appreciate it.
And when we come back. My conversation with George Cambosis. All right. George Campbosis is the former Unified one hundred and thirty five pound champion. On Sunday morning in Australia Saturday night in the US, he will take on Vasil Lamachenko for the vacant one hundred and thirty five pound title. Is the third time in the last four fights that George will fight on his home soil and he joins me from Australia now on the show. So, George, you have been eager two face Facillly Lomachenko for a pretty long time now. You guys were penciled in to fight each other back in twenty twenty two. We had to return to the Ukraine when the war broke out there. But you've been looking for this fight for a while. Why has this been something that you've wanted even when you were a champion.
Look, Lemonchenko is a legend of a sport, you know, so we know what he brings to the table. We know he style, and it's a guy that I've always watched from from young So why would you not want to fight a guy like him.
I got who brings so much to the title.
But again, stars Mike thoughts on what I bring to the tabe and I know that both of our stalls, the action, the punches, the shots, it makes for in our fan friendly fight. What opened to the table with Matillery wins his fights.
So on the subject of styles, when you were watching you know, old Lomachenko fights, So watching him as you were kind of coming up, what was there something that you saw that made you believe I've got the right style to beat him.
Yeah.
I like the way he moves, the way he comes forward is war and he lost the place. He shots, that European style, that that Ukrainian stall that he has, and it presents, you.
Know, great opportunities from war stall. I'm very explosive, very sharp, and very fast. So everything I'll.
Bring to the table, you know, we'll be able to work against a guy like Womachenko.
You know, I've been watching some of the build up to this fight, and it's very polite. It's very professional between you two. Not a lot of the femo stuff, not a lot of the Devin Haney stuff. How do you feel when you have an opponent kind of in front of you that that maybe you don't dislike in ways you've disliked other opponents.
Yeah, look, I've continue started.
I respect Lomachenko, I don't dislike Lumban Chenkow, and I'm sure he's the same.
We are both the same fight.
We are very similar, you know, people when we are two warriors, we are two guys that love to fight and love to take the biggest test possible. But again, that respect comes Sunday is all out the window. He's trying to do what he's trying to do, and I'm trying to do what I'm trying to do. So, yes, this is not Cambosis lowpeest, cambosus Hainy one making cambos Haiti two.
This is not bad blood.
This is not calling people all types of things and and other people getting in headlocks and you know, big commotions happened like we saw in New York. You know, this is a two respectful guys, two guys that love to fight, and some Sunday it all goes out the window. The respect goes out the window, and I'm coming to do a job on him.
You have said that you think that Lomachenk, who has caught lost that dog that was inside him. Why do you believe that?
You can see it.
I can see the way he's come to Perth, and he's having a good time. And I can see obviously, you know, after the effects of the Haini fight, I know that looms so much still in his head.
I'm just a man possessed.
I'm a man will do whatever it takes in front of my home nation, in front of my people, in front of my family.
And just as we had that face.
Off, that three four minute face off, well we both didn't want to look the way up.
It's sleep in his eyes. I'm sure he saw it. In my head.
I'm going to do whatever it takes to win. He's fighting. We'll find out Sunday. I know I've got the dog in me. I'll have to find out if he still has it.
You mentioned that Hany fight and you both have losses. The Devin Haney on your resume. Why do you think the loss to Hani has affected him in a way that you don't think it affected you.
Well, yeah, look, we always look back at the Hani fighters, but again we forget about the Lopez fight as well.
He couldn't do what I did against Lopez.
Now, politics will always get involved and obviously what they say, but I had the four bells.
I was able to do something that he was not able to do.
You know, for me, it softens a blow against the Hainy losses. You know, I knew what was coming up against. But for him, he was trying so much, put everything into it, his whole body into becoming undisputed.
That was his goal.
That's when his goal for his whole whole life. But that gone, that's gone, that opportunity is gone. He will not be undisputed ever. That's finished. So I'm happy to have that accolade. As much as people say yes, no, no, yes, whatever it is, it softens a blow from white Hani fights.
So I think it took a lot more of a toll.
When you give everything to achieve something and you come up short, especially that round twelve, I'm sure haunts him and haunt him for the rest of his life and it's a difficult task to get back up again.
But I'm up with this one.
You're an underdog in this fight. Do you think you should be?
Yes? I love to be the underdog. You've sent a first hand what an under underdog can by Sustenzo.
I still get chills from your commentary and I commentating that fight where it's, you know, such a historic fight man Lopez, that that's boxing, and I'm sure again we're going to have very similar drama in the sight on Sunday. Say yes, I'm on the underdog. I love it, Beautiful, I've got the big odds. Everyone thinks that you know Lomachenko is you're going to do a number on me, beautiful.
I love it. I and I soaked that underdog role.
You know you your last fight was against Maxi Hughes and you won that fight. You got the IBO belt that you currently have. Do you think you need to be better though? Because I think you'd probably agree that wasn't your finest performance against Maxi Hughes. Do you think you need to be better to beat Lomachenko?
Oh, definitely.
Look that fight was the worst camp Boss in a fight where he was a lot too motivated coming up against the Galla Maxi Hughes was more thinking about going to Disneyland with his family before the fight and Dagana. Why so I'm extremely motivated, and you've seen it again when I motivated. Cambosa is a fully focused Cambos with the preparation that I have had, you know, fighting and gollup for Suliman Chenka and how do you not get motivated for Gala Lomachenka. Square's a legend and by taking out a legend, what it does for me cements me. So bring on Sunday. I'm very excited and I'll be at my best.
Third time in the last four fights that you have brought a big championship fight to Australia. We don't often see fights on this level in Australia really in many parts of the world outside of the un US in the UK nowadays. What kind of boost do you get fighting in front of that home crowd.
It's beautiful, you know.
After the Hainy fights, when we did such big mega events, I always prayed and I said, giving me one more opportunity to do this again, do it right, do with the right team and have that full focus against the goallet Lomachenka. That was always something I prayed and I knew that a manifest. I knew that it would happen, it would come. So here we are but being able to bring these mega Foster Australia, and Boss keeps doing it. He keeps bringing these fights. He keeps doing it, and he keeps showing that we're sold out. There's about one hundred tickets left. We're sold out here and in a beautiful sixteen thousand said RSA arena. We're going to beat the record of the UFC. So go boxing, man. Look, it's motivating, it's inspiring, and I can't wait step inside the ring on a Sunday, in front of my fans, in front of my family, in front of my people, and beat the legend Lomachenka.
Your best win today came in hostile territory. You went into New York City and beat f Malopez in front of what was originally his group of fans. Is there any extra pressure for you fighting at home?
No, no pressure. I'm an underdog. You know a lot of people. You know I'm not expecting me to win this fight, so there's no pressure. I made. The pressure is on him. His career is really on the line. I lost to a dollar camp Boas. That's really Rix's hall of fame, you know, future hall of fame. You know all that. Ever, I was saying, well, you know what it puts me. I believe into the hall of fame.
Lopez, lomachenk Devin Haney fights Selby Bay.
That's that's a great you know, in achievement. So look at the all the pressure is on him, pressure is on him. Of course there'll be small pressure, but nothing new. This is not my first radio.
We've done the big fights, and you know I thrive on many underdoge all right.
Before I let you go, you're obviously on a path to get your belts back at one thirty five and you've got your eye on Shakur Stevenson, maybe tag David other guys at one thirty five after Lomachenko. But you got Taffy Malopez out there as a title holder at one forty. Do you think before your career ends you will fight Taffy Molopez again?
You know we have to white and say mar focus Isman Chenka. I have not looked at anybody. I cannot look at uh baiting life is again. I cannot look at uh you know, Javonta Diavas Chick, Paul and I even that that at liszt drug shape. And I'll tell by looking at any of these guys, you know, I'm focused on Vassil Lomachenka. That's the only guy that's playing on my mind for for months, you know. That's that's the any I'm focused on. Weft of episodes.
Well we've but we've learned long and long ago, George, not to count you out of any fight as you you tend to surprise in those moments. So good luck to you man on Sunday. Be a great fight and now looking forward to seeing it.
Thanks Chris Spret shouting Mike with the chat.
That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Keith Idak and George camp Boss for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate review this podcast on Apple, podcast, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts, and I will see you next week. Mannick.
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