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Here's Chris Mannix.

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And we are back Boxing with Chris Mannix, part of the Volume Sports podcast network as always want to welcome in everyone that is listening on the podcast feed. If you are not a subscriber, get over the box with Chris Mannocks feed. Hit that subscribe button. Make sure you get this pod in your feed every single week. So we are here in Riad, Saudi Arabia for the Mattchroom versus Queensbury five on five. A huge event's gonna take place on Saturday on the Zone. We just had the wig in take place evening why at nine o'clock start for the way and they.

And we are back Boxing with Chris Mannix, part of the Volume Sports podcast network as always want to welcome in everyone that is listening on the podcast feed. If you are not a subscriber, get over the box with Chris Mannocks feed. Hit that subscribe button. Make sure you get this pod in your feed every single week. So we are here in Riad, Saudi Arabia for the Mattchroom versus Queensbury five on five. A huge event's gonna take place on Saturday on the Zone. We just had the wig in take place evening why at nine o'clock start for the way and they.

Obviously want to take advantage.

Obviously want to take advantage.

Of primetime in the UK. Good time over in the US. But all these guys weigh in, all of them made weight. Darren Barker is the former middleweight champion. He's gonna be on the call on Saturday for de Zone. He joins me and we run through all these matchups, from the prospect matchup with Hamsashiras against Amba Williams to the win or go home heavyweight fight between Deontay Wilder and jay Lee Jeong. A little bit later on Ammo Williams himself, he joins me to talk about his path to this moment. Emma Williams has been a good prospect in boxing for a number of years, but he's also been through a hell of a lot some mental health struggles that threaten to derail his career. He's gotten it back on track and he's got a big opportunity coming up on Saturday. Mo stops by to talk to me about all that. I do want to address off the top a fight that we are we did not discuss here on the show, and that is the light heavyweight title fight between Dmitri Beevil and Maleague Zanod. And this is a kind of a stay busy fight for Dmitri Bevil. It was supposed to face face archer Better Beev on this show. That's not happening. Better Beev had to back out with an injury. They're hoping to reschedule that later this year. So Beevil gets a fight against a Nod, he should frankly clean his clock like he's just a better fighters not is not fight anybody on dmitriy Beebe's level. This should be an easy fight for Beevil to win.

Of primetime in the UK. Good time over in the US. But all these guys weigh in, all of them made weight. Darren Barker is the former middleweight champion. He's gonna be on the call on Saturday for de Zone. He joins me and we run through all these matchups, from the prospect matchup with Hamsashiras against Amba Williams to the win or go home heavyweight fight between Deontay Wilder and jay Lee Jeong. A little bit later on Ammo Williams himself, he joins me to talk about his path to this moment. Emma Williams has been a good prospect in boxing for a number of years, but he's also been through a hell of a lot some mental health struggles that threaten to derail his career. He's gotten it back on track and he's got a big opportunity coming up on Saturday. Mo stops by to talk to me about all that. I do want to address off the top a fight that we are we did not discuss here on the show, and that is the light heavyweight title fight between Dmitri Beevil and Maleague Zanod. And this is a kind of a stay busy fight for Dmitri Bevil. It was supposed to face face archer Better Beev on this show. That's not happening. Better Beev had to back out with an injury. They're hoping to reschedule that later this year. So Beevil gets a fight against a Nod, he should frankly clean his clock like he's just a better fighters not is not fight anybody on dmitriy Beebe's level. This should be an easy fight for Beevil to win.

Look, I'm as.

Look, I'm as.

Excited as anyone else to see a unification fight between Beevil and Better Beef. We have been waiting for what five years maybe for that fight. And if not for Saudi Arabia, we never get that fight because neither one of these guys draws the kind of gate or pay per view revenue to satisfy the kind of purse demands that they have. So I'm glad that that fight is still on the books. But look, Archer Betterbiev has been hurt so many times over.

Excited as anyone else to see a unification fight between Beevil and Better Beef. We have been waiting for what five years maybe for that fight. And if not for Saudi Arabia, we never get that fight because neither one of these guys draws the kind of gate or pay per view revenue to satisfy the kind of purse demands that they have. So I'm glad that that fight is still on the books. But look, Archer Betterbiev has been hurt so many times over.

The last few years.

The last few years.

I think I saw somebody tweet out like he's had five different delays with his fights in recent years over issues with his health. So I'm just not holding my breath that Archer Betterbiev is going to be ready to go in twenty twenty four to fight to meetro Bevol. If we don't get Bevil against better Beev this year, I want Beevil against David Benavitez. David Benavidez, we know, is moving up to light heavyweight to take on all Exender Vostik. That's gonna be on the Tank Davis undercard. He's already a massive guy in this weight class. I mean, he was a huge one sixty eight. He's gonna be a big one seventy five. If Benavidez gets through that Vostik fight, he's gonna be a big favorite because Vostik and even though he's won a couple of fights since he made his comeback, they haven't been against ben against the guy like David Benavidez.

I think I saw somebody tweet out like he's had five different delays with his fights in recent years over issues with his health. So I'm just not holding my breath that Archer Betterbiev is going to be ready to go in twenty twenty four to fight to meetro Bevol. If we don't get Bevil against better Beev this year, I want Beevil against David Benavitez. David Benavidez, we know, is moving up to light heavyweight to take on all Exender Vostik. That's gonna be on the Tank Davis undercard. He's already a massive guy in this weight class. I mean, he was a huge one sixty eight. He's gonna be a big one seventy five. If Benavidez gets through that Vostik fight, he's gonna be a big favorite because Vostik and even though he's won a couple of fights since he made his comeback, they haven't been against ben against the guy like David Benavidez.

So if Benavidez gets.

So if Benavidez gets.

Through that unscathed, like I'm putting Archer Betterbiev on the clock. I'm saying to Better Beev to his management to top rank, like you've got till October to make this fight happen, or maybe even you go all the way to December, because I know they're gonna have the rematch between Fury and Usic in December. But if Better Beev isn't ready to go in late December, you gotta make this Bev versus Benavidez fight happen. Like that's as good a fight or better as Better be Of against Bevill. Yeah, the stakes won't be as high because only one belt will be on the line, but it's a massive fight, and it's a huge fight both internationally and of course in the US, where it's gonna be huge interest in Bevil versus Benavidez.

Through that unscathed, like I'm putting Archer Betterbiev on the clock. I'm saying to Better Beev to his management to top rank, like you've got till October to make this fight happen, or maybe even you go all the way to December, because I know they're gonna have the rematch between Fury and Usic in December. But if Better Beev isn't ready to go in late December, you gotta make this Bev versus Benavidez fight happen. Like that's as good a fight or better as Better be Of against Bevill. Yeah, the stakes won't be as high because only one belt will be on the line, but it's a massive fight, and it's a huge fight both internationally and of course in the US, where it's gonna be huge interest in Bevil versus Benavidez.

So I would like.

So I would like.

To see a clock put on Archer Better Beev. He's what like forty years old, body all torn up, if you can get to the ring great like and if he gets to the ring healthy, he's got a great chance of beating Bevie because Better Beev is still a monster. We saw that in his most recent fight against Callum Smith. But I don't want to see the light heavyweight division held up any longer. If Benavidez wins this fight against Vostik, especially if he wins it convincingly, I want to see Benavitez versus Bevil in the fall of twenty twenty four. And I don't think I'm alone. I think a lot of you listening to the show would say, you know, I'm kind of more interested in that fight than I am with Better be against Bevil. And look, the winner of Benavidez versus Bevil, they can take on Better Beev next year.

To see a clock put on Archer Better Beev. He's what like forty years old, body all torn up, if you can get to the ring great like and if he gets to the ring healthy, he's got a great chance of beating Bevie because Better Beev is still a monster. We saw that in his most recent fight against Callum Smith. But I don't want to see the light heavyweight division held up any longer. If Benavidez wins this fight against Vostik, especially if he wins it convincingly, I want to see Benavitez versus Bevil in the fall of twenty twenty four. And I don't think I'm alone. I think a lot of you listening to the show would say, you know, I'm kind of more interested in that fight than I am with Better be against Bevil. And look, the winner of Benavidez versus Bevil, they can take on Better Beev next year.

It's still viable. It's still gonna be a good fight.

It's still viable. It's still gonna be a good fight.

So that's my kind of wish list for the second half of twenty twenty four, to get Bevill versus Benavidez.

So that's my kind of wish list for the second half of twenty twenty four, to get Bevill versus Benavidez.

If we don't get Bevil.

If we don't get Bevil.

Versus better there's a lot of bees that I'm thrown out there. I apologize if I had to pause a little bit to make sure I got all my names right, all right, when we come back, former middleweight champion Darren Barker will join me here on the show, all right, Darren Barker. So let me say first it is nice to tape with a proper professional British former world champion instead of the usual angry, bitter, sometimes tequila scope soaked Mexican that I typically tape this show with also a form world champion, So I thank you.

Versus better there's a lot of bees that I'm thrown out there. I apologize if I had to pause a little bit to make sure I got all my names right, all right, when we come back, former middleweight champion Darren Barker will join me here on the show, all right, Darren Barker. So let me say first it is nice to tape with a proper professional British former world champion instead of the usual angry, bitter, sometimes tequila scope soaked Mexican that I typically tape this show with also a form world champion, So I thank you.

For that, not my pleasure, thank you very much.

For that, not my pleasure, thank you very much.

So we are in Riard, Saudi Raby, the site of this Saturday's Queensbury Versus Matchroom five on five. I've been here for just a few hours. You have been here for what almost a.

So we are in Riard, Saudi Raby, the site of this Saturday's Queensbury Versus Matchroom five on five. I've been here for just a few hours. You have been here for what almost a.

Week now, most of a week.

Week now, most of a week.

You have spent more time in Riard over the last three weeks than you have spent at.

You have spent more time in Riard over the last three weeks than you have spent at.

Home correct literally, quite literally. But I'm enjoying myself here. We play a little bit of golf, a little golf. But the shows around the events have been so cool. They already have like first and foremost, I'm a boxing fan. I love my boxing. To be around all of these I pinch myself every single time they do it. Biggire, you've seen yourself the events a large the press compace, the ground arrivals, the way in which I've just come from, it's just epic. So yeah, I'm out and privileged to be here.

Home correct literally, quite literally. But I'm enjoying myself here. We play a little bit of golf, a little golf. But the shows around the events have been so cool. They already have like first and foremost, I'm a boxing fan. I love my boxing. To be around all of these I pinch myself every single time they do it. Biggire, you've seen yourself the events a large the press compace, the ground arrivals, the way in which I've just come from, it's just epic. So yeah, I'm out and privileged to be here.

What would you how would you compare the vibe to the fight week of this five versus five versus what we saw a couple of weeks ago with Usak and fury.

What would you how would you compare the vibe to the fight week of this five versus five versus what we saw a couple of weeks ago with Usak and fury.

Well, funny it kind of went on the back burner slightly this five and five because of the magnitude of fury Usk. It was huge. It was a huge event, you know, the first time in years that something like that had happened, the first time in the four belt era, as we've talked about for an awful lot. But I think everybody once back home in the UK as well, we had Jack Ketch or Josh Taylor, so that we went straight into that five week, which was a huge event back in the UK, and then this five and five weeks started, and very quickly you were reminded of how big an event this is, how groundbreaking is, how unique of an event this is. This is the boxing version of the Ryder Cup, you know, projecting the scores, et cetera. When this, I have to be deadly honest when this was first announced, I think it was more excited about this five and five than I was for Fury Music. I'm not just saying that I genuinely was, and yet the buzz has quickly reminded you of the magnitude of this event. This is groundbreaking. This is two promoters with you know, lots of back history, lots of you know, storylines between the Dad's Sorry Barry Hearn Frank Warren that started, that was the initial rivalry. That Eddie's come along and tried to rip the crown away from Frank, and he's done a great job in trying to do so. But this is this is, like I say, groundbreaking. I think Chris is the correct word for this.

Well, funny it kind of went on the back burner slightly this five and five because of the magnitude of fury Usk. It was huge. It was a huge event, you know, the first time in years that something like that had happened, the first time in the four belt era, as we've talked about for an awful lot. But I think everybody once back home in the UK as well, we had Jack Ketch or Josh Taylor, so that we went straight into that five week, which was a huge event back in the UK, and then this five and five weeks started, and very quickly you were reminded of how big an event this is, how groundbreaking is, how unique of an event this is. This is the boxing version of the Ryder Cup, you know, projecting the scores, et cetera. When this, I have to be deadly honest when this was first announced, I think it was more excited about this five and five than I was for Fury Music. I'm not just saying that I genuinely was, and yet the buzz has quickly reminded you of the magnitude of this event. This is groundbreaking. This is two promoters with you know, lots of back history, lots of you know, storylines between the Dad's Sorry Barry Hearn Frank Warren that started, that was the initial rivalry. That Eddie's come along and tried to rip the crown away from Frank, and he's done a great job in trying to do so. But this is this is, like I say, groundbreaking. I think Chris is the correct word for this.

And the format is really cool. To your point, it is kind of ryder Cup esque. It is it brings a team element to an individual sport because even though we see examples of stablemates fighting on each other's card, they're really out for themselves. They're supporting their stablemates, but there's no connection to it. This has a direct connection with your success being my success quite literally actually, because we found out this week there's a three million dollars part of gore.

And the format is really cool. To your point, it is kind of ryder Cup esque. It is it brings a team element to an individual sport because even though we see examples of stablemates fighting on each other's card, they're really out for themselves. They're supporting their stablemates, but there's no connection to it. This has a direct connection with your success being my success quite literally actually, because we found out this week there's a three million dollars part of gore.

The words out of my mouth exactly, I mean, and that straight away. So you know, let's give a scenario, just paint a picture of you know, it's all level going into that final fight, or you know, it could be a point or two evil way, and it goes down to this last fight. It's Wilder versus Zang. It's all to play for. You've got some guys on this bill that are not earned nowhere near the money that they never dreamt they would be with this added bonus, and they're screaming at their teammates say come on, please, you know it's going to be so special. I'm just picturing it now. The atmosphere between the teams is going to be so good I cannot wait.

The words out of my mouth exactly, I mean, and that straight away. So you know, let's give a scenario, just paint a picture of you know, it's all level going into that final fight, or you know, it could be a point or two evil way, and it goes down to this last fight. It's Wilder versus Zang. It's all to play for. You've got some guys on this bill that are not earned nowhere near the money that they never dreamt they would be with this added bonus, and they're screaming at their teammates say come on, please, you know it's going to be so special. I'm just picturing it now. The atmosphere between the teams is going to be so good I cannot wait.

So let's run through just the format so people have are clear on what it is. A win for any fighter is one point, and I got win is worth two points. Each team has appointed a captain. For Mattroom, it's Deontay Wilder. We can get into the bizarreness of that. For Queensbury it's Homes of Shiras one hundred and sixty pounds prospect contender. Wins for the captain is double points. So theoretically, both Wilder and shiras can collect as many as four points in their respective fight.

So let's run through just the format so people have are clear on what it is. A win for any fighter is one point, and I got win is worth two points. Each team has appointed a captain. For Mattroom, it's Deontay Wilder. We can get into the bizarreness of that. For Queensbury it's Homes of Shiras one hundred and sixty pounds prospect contender. Wins for the captain is double points. So theoretically, both Wilder and shiras can collect as many as four points in their respective fight.

So there is the.

So there is the.

Rules, and like all those things that is laid out there, do you like the rules as well? The fact that captains can earn two knockouts are worth two like it incentivizes incentivises violence.

Rules, and like all those things that is laid out there, do you like the rules as well? The fact that captains can earn two knockouts are worth two like it incentivizes incentivises violence.

Quite frankly fantastic. I'm all for it, I think, you know, I kind of I did an interview when I left the Wayne and I cond of was questioning, why hasn't this happened before? You know, it's a great idea, you know, though it is the first, I don't think it's going to be the last. I can't imagine there's going to be nations going up against each other.

Quite frankly fantastic. I'm all for it, I think, you know, I kind of I did an interview when I left the Wayne and I cond of was questioning, why hasn't this happened before? You know, it's a great idea, you know, though it is the first, I don't think it's going to be the last. I can't imagine there's going to be nations going up against each other.

I mean the obvious one is USA Mexico. Like that's again, could you imagine that USA UK?

I mean the obvious one is USA Mexico. Like that's again, could you imagine that USA UK?

You know you can do Golden Boy versus am as well over in the US. I mean that when you have the money that Turkey Alaschek is willing to put up and the Sadari's willing to put up, there's really nothing you can't do.

You know you can do Golden Boy versus am as well over in the US. I mean that when you have the money that Turkey Alaschek is willing to put up and the Sadari's willing to put up, there's really nothing you can't do.

Dren exactly exactly that, And I'm more for it, and I think it will bring a different audience to the sport of boxing, which is always good. You know, more eyes on our wonderful, brilliant sport. You know people that want to sit down and they want to get captivated by the scores. You know, wowurs is all to play for one fight to go, two fights ago, who's going to get it? And then all of a sudden you think one team is going to win and the you know this captain gets the knockout. But yeah, I am a little biased, you know, I have strong tires to Matrium, although I will remain impartial on the night. I have a projected score that I am sticking with.

Dren exactly exactly that, And I'm more for it, and I think it will bring a different audience to the sport of boxing, which is always good. You know, more eyes on our wonderful, brilliant sport. You know people that want to sit down and they want to get captivated by the scores. You know, wowurs is all to play for one fight to go, two fights ago, who's going to get it? And then all of a sudden you think one team is going to win and the you know this captain gets the knockout. But yeah, I am a little biased, you know, I have strong tires to Matrium, although I will remain impartial on the night. I have a projected score that I am sticking with.

So it ran on de Owne earlier today or Friday. We're recorded as what is your projected score? So it's already out there.

So it ran on de Owne earlier today or Friday. We're recorded as what is your projected score? So it's already out there.

Okay, So I have it going free too into the main event, Free too, Mattrium going to the main event. And I've chopped and chained a little with this main event. But I like what I'm hearing from Wilder. I feel that even if he was to win this fight, it may be hard to get him to continue to box. And I'm going with Wilder to stop Zang two one hundred and fourteen pound Wilder against the two hundred and eighty two.

Okay, So I have it going free too into the main event, Free too, Mattrium going to the main event. And I've chopped and chained a little with this main event. But I like what I'm hearing from Wilder. I feel that even if he was to win this fight, it may be hard to get him to continue to box. And I'm going with Wilder to stop Zang two one hundred and fourteen pound Wilder against the two hundred and eighty two.

Pounds sixty eight pound difference between the two.

Pounds sixty eight pound difference between the two.

So that makes my score a very wide seven to two. It's free to going into the final. But when I look at my when I look at the fights and I look at my score, they could easy chop and change.

So that makes my score a very wide seven to two. It's free to going into the final. But when I look at my when I look at the fights and I look at my score, they could easy chop and change.

All right.

All right.

So let's run through each one of these as part of the five on five. Let's start with Hans Ashiras against Amma Williams. I've called a lot of Amma Williams fights over the years.

So let's run through each one of these as part of the five on five. Let's start with Hans Ashiras against Amma Williams. I've called a lot of Amma Williams fights over the years.

It's been a roller.

It's been a roller.

Coaster ride for Ammo, both professionally and personally. He's talked about his mental health issues in the past. Is actually going to be on this show a little bit later diving deeper into some of those. But he's a talented guy and he's a strong guy. We've seen some recent fights. Cordell Bulkert Booker was a spectacular performance in one of his recent ones. So I think we're going to get a very aggressive version of Ammo Williams ins fight. I don't know necessarily what we're going to get from Hams of Shira's. I've seen some of his fights on tape. I don't know about his opponents like he hasn't faced really anyone I would call high quality at this point.

Coaster ride for Ammo, both professionally and personally. He's talked about his mental health issues in the past. Is actually going to be on this show a little bit later diving deeper into some of those. But he's a talented guy and he's a strong guy. We've seen some recent fights. Cordell Bulkert Booker was a spectacular performance in one of his recent ones. So I think we're going to get a very aggressive version of Ammo Williams ins fight. I don't know necessarily what we're going to get from Hams of Shira's. I've seen some of his fights on tape. I don't know about his opponents like he hasn't faced really anyone I would call high quality at this point.

What do you expect from Sierras? How would you grade him?

What do you expect from Sierras? How would you grade him?

Well, he had a good win last time out against Liam Williams, but Liam Williams was way past his best.

Well, he had a good win last time out against Liam Williams, but Liam Williams was way past his best.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One thing we did see from Hams of Saraz was aggression, like to hold the center of the ring. And if that's the case, if that's the way he tries to approach his fight with Amma Williams, who is really fired up for this fight, it could catch fire early. I feel I've been a big fan of his I really have. We had a few back and forth actually a while back when he was sort of kind of scheduled or there was talks of him fighting Felix Cash he was in the UK, but Saskash didn't want anything to do with No. I've become a big, big fan of Ammo. He's a role model in the battles that he's facing come through. So I think for people out there struggling, you know, young men and women who may be struggling with mental health, is a brilliant advocate and he can be very proud of himself. And I like the way he's approaching fights. I like what I'm hearing from him. His last fighting it is Mumba Ya Yasa Mumba in Las Vegas and the Connor Ben under card was very, very impressive. He showed us a bit of everything and the finish was brutal or a long wide left hook. I just feel this is going to catch fire so quickly, and you got to remember, the pot of gold for the winner here is huge, at potential shot of the WBC world title. It's massive, and he's a tough one to pick.

One thing we did see from Hams of Saraz was aggression, like to hold the center of the ring. And if that's the case, if that's the way he tries to approach his fight with Amma Williams, who is really fired up for this fight, it could catch fire early. I feel I've been a big fan of his I really have. We had a few back and forth actually a while back when he was sort of kind of scheduled or there was talks of him fighting Felix Cash he was in the UK, but Saskash didn't want anything to do with No. I've become a big, big fan of Ammo. He's a role model in the battles that he's facing come through. So I think for people out there struggling, you know, young men and women who may be struggling with mental health, is a brilliant advocate and he can be very proud of himself. And I like the way he's approaching fights. I like what I'm hearing from him. His last fighting it is Mumba Ya Yasa Mumba in Las Vegas and the Connor Ben under card was very, very impressive. He showed us a bit of everything and the finish was brutal or a long wide left hook. I just feel this is going to catch fire so quickly, and you got to remember, the pot of gold for the winner here is huge, at potential shot of the WBC world title. It's massive, and he's a tough one to pick.

I The thing with this fight is I don't think Amo's going to take one step backwards, and he's not being shy about that. This week he said he's going to come right at him. He believes that while Shiraz has that height advantage, that if he gets on the inside, Shiraz is not going to know how to fight with them. So I think he's going to try to make it a fight in a phone booth early, and I think we're going to learn a lot early from Shiraz, what kind of power he really has, what kind of chin he really has. Maybe it's the bias that I've seen too much of Amo, but I'm going Ammo Williams by knockout in this one there, Darren, I'm taking Ammo with the two pointer.

I The thing with this fight is I don't think Amo's going to take one step backwards, and he's not being shy about that. This week he said he's going to come right at him. He believes that while Shiraz has that height advantage, that if he gets on the inside, Shiraz is not going to know how to fight with them. So I think he's going to try to make it a fight in a phone booth early, and I think we're going to learn a lot early from Shiraz, what kind of power he really has, what kind of chin he really has. Maybe it's the bias that I've seen too much of Amo, but I'm going Ammo Williams by knockout in this one there, Darren, I'm taking Ammo with the two pointer.

He's got to be educated pressure. He can't walk on to the shots of Shiaz. We punch. He's very hard, He's very cute the way he slips in the upper cart seat. He looks for the right hand over the top. Very very well scored fighter. Good footwork takes half a yard out and he's got to make sure that he's moving his head. He's got a high guard Williams. He can't be plowing forward and walking on.

He's got to be educated pressure. He can't walk on to the shots of Shiaz. We punch. He's very hard, He's very cute the way he slips in the upper cart seat. He looks for the right hand over the top. Very very well scored fighter. Good footwork takes half a yard out and he's got to make sure that he's moving his head. He's got a high guard Williams. He can't be plowing forward and walking on.

And he's got a good guy in his corner.

And he's got a good guy in his corner.

Kevin Cunningham is one of the better trainers in the US, you know, a disciplined guy. Some of the Ammo has worked with in the past. They reunited for this way, so I like that dynamic as well.

Kevin Cunningham is one of the better trainers in the US, you know, a disciplined guy. Some of the Ammo has worked with in the past. They reunited for this way, so I like that dynamic as well.

Yeah. I spoke to Ammo on Monday. I interviewed him, and yeah, he's very happy. He's at Pace. He loves being back with Kevin, and he just seems a very happy fight. A confident fighter, fired up fighter, and that's what we need. There's been you know, I'm going back a few fights when he fought Kier and Conway. There was times I felt he just switched off a little and maybe it was his temperament. And I think now that we're seeing a fired up, revved up Ammo Williams. I'm expecting the best version of him and he would need to be at his best to beat Hams Shwarts.

Yeah. I spoke to Ammo on Monday. I interviewed him, and yeah, he's very happy. He's at Pace. He loves being back with Kevin, and he just seems a very happy fight. A confident fighter, fired up fighter, and that's what we need. There's been you know, I'm going back a few fights when he fought Kier and Conway. There was times I felt he just switched off a little and maybe it was his temperament. And I think now that we're seeing a fired up, revved up Ammo Williams. I'm expecting the best version of him and he would need to be at his best to beat Hams Shwarts.

All right, So who do you get in that one?

All right, So who do you get in that one?

So this is this is another one?

So this is this is another one?

So you've already scored it. So I'm not asking you to reveal state secrets. You know, yeah, major productions.

So you've already scored it. So I'm not asking you to reveal state secrets. You know, yeah, major productions.

But the reason I'm starting so much is I'm not confident. What I see today from Ammo is kind of made me swear a little bit. But I'll give you my initial score, which got me to seven to two, was sure as winning on points two points. But I'm with you, he could come on so late. This new found aggression is what is required against Amasa Surras, so it could sway. It has swayed me slightly. I can't even get my words out because it's that, you know, it's that close of a fight. But as I had it before the weighing, I had Hams Sres getting a points win. But I'm not confident.

But the reason I'm starting so much is I'm not confident. What I see today from Ammo is kind of made me swear a little bit. But I'll give you my initial score, which got me to seven to two, was sure as winning on points two points. But I'm with you, he could come on so late. This new found aggression is what is required against Amasa Surras, so it could sway. It has swayed me slightly. I can't even get my words out because it's that, you know, it's that close of a fight. But as I had it before the weighing, I had Hams Sres getting a points win. But I'm not confident.

All right, you've got Shias I've got ammo in that one. Next one up is the one hundred and twenty six pound title fight with ray Ford going up against Nick Ball. The variable in this fight for me is the weight cut of ray Ford, because you go back a couple of years and before ray got his title shot, members of his team would tell me all the time, like he's got to get it soon, or I's gonna have to move up. Making this one twenty six is really really tough. That was a couple of years ago, and maybe there's some recentcy bias he but a couple of weeks ago we saw Joe Cordina lose, and I think part of that was because Joe Cordina wasn't one hundred and thirty pounder anymore. We saw Josh Taylor lose this past weekend. Credit to his opponent, but I think that part of that was Josh Taylor probably.

All right, you've got Shias I've got ammo in that one. Next one up is the one hundred and twenty six pound title fight with ray Ford going up against Nick Ball. The variable in this fight for me is the weight cut of ray Ford, because you go back a couple of years and before ray got his title shot, members of his team would tell me all the time, like he's got to get it soon, or I's gonna have to move up. Making this one twenty six is really really tough. That was a couple of years ago, and maybe there's some recentcy bias he but a couple of weeks ago we saw Joe Cordina lose, and I think part of that was because Joe Cordina wasn't one hundred and thirty pounder anymore. We saw Josh Taylor lose this past weekend. Credit to his opponent, but I think that part of that was Josh Taylor probably.

Not a one forty anymore. Like cutting that weight is a challenge.

Not a one forty anymore. Like cutting that weight is a challenge.

I worry about ray Ford at this weight, particularly in the second half of the fight, because what we saw from Nick Ball in his fight against ray Argus was a guy just keeps coming and he lost some rounds early to ray Argus. But he didn't stop, and he had Vargas hurt a couple of times in that fight. I think Ray is better than Vargas, but I also think there's the potential to be susceptible to that kind of onslaught in the latter half of this fight.

I worry about ray Ford at this weight, particularly in the second half of the fight, because what we saw from Nick Ball in his fight against ray Argus was a guy just keeps coming and he lost some rounds early to ray Argus. But he didn't stop, and he had Vargas hurt a couple of times in that fight. I think Ray is better than Vargas, but I also think there's the potential to be susceptible to that kind of onslaught in the latter half of this fight.

Yeah, I totally hear what you're saying here. But the way he finished comonsov last time in the final round, and that was impressive, shows that he carries power light even in a fatigued state. So I lean towards Ford in this one. I think it will be points. I feel Ball is gonna live up to his nickname once again, the Wrecking Ball, and try and plow forward. I do feel he needs to let shots go earlier. I know there's a lot of pressure on the front foot, but you can't afford as you're going through the levels to kind of think to yourself, I'll get to him later. You know, I'll start wearing him down. You know, you give him rounds away. I think he's got to let his hands go and build, build, you know, a number of rounds under his belt and get to his opponents later. But I just feel there's something special about for the rhythm the slickness, the speed of hand and foot reaction, and he's a bad man. They're both bad men, to be honest, and I like what you know. Nick Ball's hardly said anything this week. He means business. He's you know, he doesn't really mess around with words, and that's been similar with Ford.

Yeah, I totally hear what you're saying here. But the way he finished comonsov last time in the final round, and that was impressive, shows that he carries power light even in a fatigued state. So I lean towards Ford in this one. I think it will be points. I feel Ball is gonna live up to his nickname once again, the Wrecking Ball, and try and plow forward. I do feel he needs to let shots go earlier. I know there's a lot of pressure on the front foot, but you can't afford as you're going through the levels to kind of think to yourself, I'll get to him later. You know, I'll start wearing him down. You know, you give him rounds away. I think he's got to let his hands go and build, build, you know, a number of rounds under his belt and get to his opponents later. But I just feel there's something special about for the rhythm the slickness, the speed of hand and foot reaction, and he's a bad man. They're both bad men, to be honest, and I like what you know. Nick Ball's hardly said anything this week. He means business. He's you know, he doesn't really mess around with words, and that's been similar with Ford.

He never says anything no, but what he.

He never says anything no, but what he.

Does say is to the point, direct, and he means what he says. You know, I've been around boxing a long time and I know I can see when a fire is hiding behind words. These two believe what they're saying. And I just feel one thing for sure. If Ford does what he says he's going to do and stand his ground and meet nick Ball, which I'm not one hundred percent sure is going to be the case, then we are in for an absolute bond storm of a fight.

Does say is to the point, direct, and he means what he says. You know, I've been around boxing a long time and I know I can see when a fire is hiding behind words. These two believe what they're saying. And I just feel one thing for sure. If Ford does what he says he's going to do and stand his ground and meet nick Ball, which I'm not one hundred percent sure is going to be the case, then we are in for an absolute bond storm of a fight.

So you're taking Ray Ford by decision on that one, I'm going the other way. See, we've got different cards. This is great.

So you're taking Ray Ford by decision on that one, I'm going the other way. See, we've got different cards. This is great.

I could, yes, I see where you're coming from.

I could, yes, I see where you're coming from.

Absolutely fifty to fifty sixty forty on virtually all of these fights. The next one is the British domestic kind of showdown. You've got there, Willie Hutchinson going up against Craig Richards.

Absolutely fifty to fifty sixty forty on virtually all of these fights. The next one is the British domestic kind of showdown. You've got there, Willie Hutchinson going up against Craig Richards.

Craig Richards is.

Craig Richards is.

A familiar name to global boxing fans because of some of his opponents. Right he gave to Meet Your Biople hell a few years ago in a competitive fight over in the UK. His fight with Joshua Batzi was competitive as well. Came up short in both those fights. But he has been on this stage where Will Hutchinson not so much right Like, he has one loss on his resumes, come back one, I think four fights in a row since then. But this is one of the one of the fights, Darren, that I maybe feel most confident in, weirdly in Craig, Like, I just think Craig is on a fringy world level and I don't know, I don't believe that Willie is there at least now yet.

A familiar name to global boxing fans because of some of his opponents. Right he gave to Meet Your Biople hell a few years ago in a competitive fight over in the UK. His fight with Joshua Batzi was competitive as well. Came up short in both those fights. But he has been on this stage where Will Hutchinson not so much right Like, he has one loss on his resumes, come back one, I think four fights in a row since then. But this is one of the one of the fights, Darren, that I maybe feel most confident in, weirdly in Craig, Like, I just think Craig is on a fringy world level and I don't know, I don't believe that Willie is there at least now yet.

Yeah, I agree with you, it's probably been you know, though it's a close fight. I've found this one the easiest to pick and I'm going with Craig Richards. He understands that he can't lose this, you know, he doesn't want to be remembered for his defeats, though they have helped his stock rise. In losing to Bowatzi and bevol because of the performance he puts in. But now he's with a new team and he's getting better. He says, you know, I'm a better fighter now, and he has tons of experience behind him. I just feel for me, it's always been about pace of the fight. It's about not being lazy, and it's frustrated me in the past watching Craig Richards because I know how hard he trains. He was with my old coach, Tony Simms and his brother Peter Simmson. They trained the socks off, so I know the engine's there. But he's a very laid back individual and sometimes you see it with lots of fighters. Their personality is kind of the way they fight, and he is very laid back, but he understands and there's also a bit of bad blood here, so I feel we're going to see a sharper, more fired up, red up Craig Richards. On the flip side, Willie Hutchinson, he's a very good fight, very half amateur. As a junior, one of the world juniors, very very good, but that was all as a as a kid. He's very confident. He was stopped by Leonarx Clark. I feel Craig Richards is a bigger puncher than Leonarx Clark, and it could be a case of a step too far, a step too far against somebody who really really believes, through his defeat, that he can be a world champion.

Yeah, I agree with you, it's probably been you know, though it's a close fight. I've found this one the easiest to pick and I'm going with Craig Richards. He understands that he can't lose this, you know, he doesn't want to be remembered for his defeats, though they have helped his stock rise. In losing to Bowatzi and bevol because of the performance he puts in. But now he's with a new team and he's getting better. He says, you know, I'm a better fighter now, and he has tons of experience behind him. I just feel for me, it's always been about pace of the fight. It's about not being lazy, and it's frustrated me in the past watching Craig Richards because I know how hard he trains. He was with my old coach, Tony Simms and his brother Peter Simmson. They trained the socks off, so I know the engine's there. But he's a very laid back individual and sometimes you see it with lots of fighters. Their personality is kind of the way they fight, and he is very laid back, but he understands and there's also a bit of bad blood here, so I feel we're going to see a sharper, more fired up, red up Craig Richards. On the flip side, Willie Hutchinson, he's a very good fight, very half amateur. As a junior, one of the world juniors, very very good, but that was all as a as a kid. He's very confident. He was stopped by Leonarx Clark. I feel Craig Richards is a bigger puncher than Leonarx Clark, and it could be a case of a step too far, a step too far against somebody who really really believes, through his defeat, that he can be a world champion.

Did Edy make a mistake not making Craig Richards the cab of this team, because as you said, I won't call it one sided, but it's probably the easiest fight to predict the outcome of Craig's a bigger puncher. You know, Hutchinson's been stopped. Are we going to be talking Sunday morning about maybe Eddie Hearn making a mistake by giving Deontay Wilder the captain?

Did Edy make a mistake not making Craig Richards the cab of this team, because as you said, I won't call it one sided, but it's probably the easiest fight to predict the outcome of Craig's a bigger puncher. You know, Hutchinson's been stopped. Are we going to be talking Sunday morning about maybe Eddie Hearn making a mistake by giving Deontay Wilder the captain?

We all said it, you know, when we were at the initial press conference, who's going to be the captain? Who's going to be the captain? He was a little surprised when it was Wilder and not Craig because of the probably the swing, you know, sixty five percent. I don't know I have a seventy percent Craig Richards, But the narrative around Wilder being captain is brilliant for me. I like that, and it may be that little bit we need or Wilder needs, you know, to extract that blood out of the stone, so we'll see.

We all said it, you know, when we were at the initial press conference, who's going to be the captain? Who's going to be the captain? He was a little surprised when it was Wilder and not Craig because of the probably the swing, you know, sixty five percent. I don't know I have a seventy percent Craig Richards, But the narrative around Wilder being captain is brilliant for me. I like that, and it may be that little bit we need or Wilder needs, you know, to extract that blood out of the stone, so we'll see.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now we go to the heavyweights, and the first heavyweight fighter is for an interim title, Philip Perkovic going up against Daniel Dubois. If you had asked me about this fight before we saw Dubois again, it's Darrell Miller, I would have said hercabage all day long, and probably by stoppage.

Now we go to the heavyweights, and the first heavyweight fighter is for an interim title, Philip Perkovic going up against Daniel Dubois. If you had asked me about this fight before we saw Dubois again, it's Darrell Miller, I would have said hercabage all day long, and probably by stoppage.

But you know, Dubois showed me something in that fight.

But you know, Dubois showed me something in that fight.

He showed me a level of resolve. He showed me a level of mental toughness that I didn't see in the Joe Joyce fight, and I haven't seen or didn't see really against Alexander Usik, who you know was beating in pillar to post aside from that one moment, but it's a world championship fight, and felt like he kind of gave up in the latter stage of that fight. Did Dubois show you something in that Darrell Miller fight? And did did he show you enough to make you believe that he can beat a guy who's been kind of a boogeyman for the last few years In Philip Perkovitch.

He showed me a level of resolve. He showed me a level of mental toughness that I didn't see in the Joe Joyce fight, and I haven't seen or didn't see really against Alexander Usik, who you know was beating in pillar to post aside from that one moment, but it's a world championship fight, and felt like he kind of gave up in the latter stage of that fight. Did Dubois show you something in that Darrell Miller fight? And did did he show you enough to make you believe that he can beat a guy who's been kind of a boogeyman for the last few years In Philip Perkovitch.

I'm conflicted here because I want Dubois to win this fight. I'm all for Dubois a j perhaps in September. You know, a lot of the Brits to do well, and he's a nice guy. He is a nice guy.

I'm conflicted here because I want Dubois to win this fight. I'm all for Dubois a j perhaps in September. You know, a lot of the Brits to do well, and he's a nice guy. He is a nice guy.

But I.

But I.

Just think Philip Hergovich he almost borderlines arrogance with his confidence. You know, he really believes these levels above. And I have to be honest, it was a gut check for Dubois last time, which he passed. But Jerrell Miller, I mean, he's not the post twenty eighteen, and we understand why. You know, he's shades from that, don't get me wrong, A man mountain who polled on a lot of pressure. But I'm not purely sold on Miller these days, if I'm honest. But there was the big box ticks for Dubois and that was heart courage and he passed that. But I just think this perhaps is about levels. But what I will say is Dube needs to show very good body language in this fight. He needs to be aggressive and let Philip Hergovich know when we sparred, I was a boy. I'm a man. Now, I'm an experienced man. Now I'm a big man and grabbed this fight by the scruffle and then let no Hergovic No, from the off, you're in a real fight here, because I feel Hergovic just believes that he's levels above and you've got to let him know that he.

Just think Philip Hergovich he almost borderlines arrogance with his confidence. You know, he really believes these levels above. And I have to be honest, it was a gut check for Dubois last time, which he passed. But Jerrell Miller, I mean, he's not the post twenty eighteen, and we understand why. You know, he's shades from that, don't get me wrong, A man mountain who polled on a lot of pressure. But I'm not purely sold on Miller these days, if I'm honest. But there was the big box ticks for Dubois and that was heart courage and he passed that. But I just think this perhaps is about levels. But what I will say is Dube needs to show very good body language in this fight. He needs to be aggressive and let Philip Hergovich know when we sparred, I was a boy. I'm a man. Now, I'm an experienced man. Now I'm a big man and grabbed this fight by the scruffle and then let no Hergovic No, from the off, you're in a real fight here, because I feel Hergovic just believes that he's levels above and you've got to let him know that he.

Isn't, which I'm not.

Isn't, which I'm not.

I mean, look, he's got the Olympic background, he's got the unblemished record. At the same time, when you compare resumes, Dubois's resumes a lot better.

I mean, look, he's got the Olympic background, he's got the unblemished record. At the same time, when you compare resumes, Dubois's resumes a lot better.

I mean, Hergovic is the only.

I mean, Hergovic is the only.

Name really on his resume is Jay le Jong and that was a nip and tug fight that was life and death that could have gone either way a couple of years ago here in Saudi Arabia. So I think Dubois gotta kind of lean a little bit on that. Like I've been in the ring with some real, real fighters, from Usik to Joyce, you know, all the way. You know, to Drell Miller, I've I've fought at levels above Philip Pergovic. I think he's going to lean to that experience a little bit.

Name really on his resume is Jay le Jong and that was a nip and tug fight that was life and death that could have gone either way a couple of years ago here in Saudi Arabia. So I think Dubois gotta kind of lean a little bit on that. Like I've been in the ring with some real, real fighters, from Usik to Joyce, you know, all the way. You know, to Drell Miller, I've I've fought at levels above Philip Pergovic. I think he's going to lean to that experience a little bit.

Definitely, he has it in abundance at the highest level. You know, he suffered the good, the bad, and the ugly, and you can take confidence away from that that you've experienced it all. But I just feel there's something about Hergovic. We've yet seen the best of him, you know, We've seen glimpses of magic and brutality, and I feel this might be the night that he comes out and really turns some heads and makes a case to be fighting AJ.

Definitely, he has it in abundance at the highest level. You know, he suffered the good, the bad, and the ugly, and you can take confidence away from that that you've experienced it all. But I just feel there's something about Hergovic. We've yet seen the best of him, you know, We've seen glimpses of magic and brutality, and I feel this might be the night that he comes out and really turns some heads and makes a case to be fighting AJ.

So we were all excited about the potential for better be of Beevil being the main event for this car. That's not gonna happen. Beebel is gonna fight somebody else on the undercard, but as consolation prizes go Deontay Wilder versus Jay Lee Jong is a great matchup and this really is a winner go home for both these guys. Deontay Wilder is in his late thirties, je Le Jong is in his early forties. Both these guys are coming off losses. I don't think either one of these guys wants to go down the path of rebuilding it with one or two fights to get back to the top. It is the ultimate winner go home fight, and there are huge questions I think around both these guys, like can Deontay Wilder summon the fighter that he once was? Can he get that you know in ring killer back or is he more of the boxer mover that we saw over twelve really disappointing rounds against Joseph Parker. The same thing with Jay Lee Jong. I mean, going into that Parker fight, I was really high on jal Lee Jong. I went to Jersey, spent a week with him, wrote a profile like I was. I was all in on jay Lee Jong, and then he goes out there against Parker and aside for those two knockdowns, he looked every bit the what forty forty one years old that he is. So this is one of those fights where I can think, like, all right, I think j Lee Jong is the better fighter, but what if he's just washed? What if he's old and isn't isn't the same guy? Or I think Deontay Wilder can still summon that right hand, but what if he doesn't throw it?

So we were all excited about the potential for better be of Beevil being the main event for this car. That's not gonna happen. Beebel is gonna fight somebody else on the undercard, but as consolation prizes go Deontay Wilder versus Jay Lee Jong is a great matchup and this really is a winner go home for both these guys. Deontay Wilder is in his late thirties, je Le Jong is in his early forties. Both these guys are coming off losses. I don't think either one of these guys wants to go down the path of rebuilding it with one or two fights to get back to the top. It is the ultimate winner go home fight, and there are huge questions I think around both these guys, like can Deontay Wilder summon the fighter that he once was? Can he get that you know in ring killer back or is he more of the boxer mover that we saw over twelve really disappointing rounds against Joseph Parker. The same thing with Jay Lee Jong. I mean, going into that Parker fight, I was really high on jal Lee Jong. I went to Jersey, spent a week with him, wrote a profile like I was. I was all in on jay Lee Jong, and then he goes out there against Parker and aside for those two knockdowns, he looked every bit the what forty forty one years old that he is. So this is one of those fights where I can think, like, all right, I think j Lee Jong is the better fighter, but what if he's just washed? What if he's old and isn't isn't the same guy? Or I think Deontay Wilder can still summon that right hand, but what if he doesn't throw it?

So like this, there's so many questions.

So like this, there's so many questions.

Darren, I'm the same. I just feel Joseph Parker ripped the fight away from Wilder in that fight. He held the centa to ring and he and he kind of really just confused and h outworks Wilder as he did Zang also, So I feel Zang needs to be aggressive, needs to be busy, But that's not going to happen. Zang is not going to be busy, so I feel that will allow Wilder to have a bit more time. He will be allowed to move, he won't be under as much pressure. He's a man mounting Zang. Let's not get that wrong, but I just feel you've got to rip the fight away from Wilder. You need to be on him, throw him around, be busy, let the jab go, let shots go, hit him all around the waistband, the arms, and just like completely dent him of any confidence. But I don't feel he has the engine Zang to be able to do that. So with time, Wilder will start to grow and this confidence will start to come back, and I think we'll see him really launch him with the shots, the big long left milk and the right hand. He may miss with a few, and he doesn't get caught with the counters. But I just think that lack of pace from Zang is going to suit Wilder. It will give him more time to mount attacks. And that's why I am picking Wilder.

Darren, I'm the same. I just feel Joseph Parker ripped the fight away from Wilder in that fight. He held the centa to ring and he and he kind of really just confused and h outworks Wilder as he did Zang also, So I feel Zang needs to be aggressive, needs to be busy, But that's not going to happen. Zang is not going to be busy, so I feel that will allow Wilder to have a bit more time. He will be allowed to move, he won't be under as much pressure. He's a man mounting Zang. Let's not get that wrong, but I just feel you've got to rip the fight away from Wilder. You need to be on him, throw him around, be busy, let the jab go, let shots go, hit him all around the waistband, the arms, and just like completely dent him of any confidence. But I don't feel he has the engine Zang to be able to do that. So with time, Wilder will start to grow and this confidence will start to come back, and I think we'll see him really launch him with the shots, the big long left milk and the right hand. He may miss with a few, and he doesn't get caught with the counters. But I just think that lack of pace from Zang is going to suit Wilder. It will give him more time to mount attacks. And that's why I am picking Wilder.

Let me ask you this does Wilder's talked a lot this week about if he doesn't perform, it's over.

Let me ask you this does Wilder's talked a lot this week about if he doesn't perform, it's over.

Sometimes it worries me when guys talk.

Sometimes it worries me when guys talk.

I was saying that today. Actually I was the same thing. I'm exactly the same thing with you. I don't know why you're saying that. Why are you plant in that negative seed?

I was saying that today. Actually I was the same thing. I'm exactly the same thing with you. I don't know why you're saying that. Why are you plant in that negative seed?

You know, Shangle fighter is fifty, Like, yes, he's not talking retirement.

You know, Shangle fighter is fifty, Like, yes, he's not talking retirement.

It's you know, body language. Your body doesn't your brain doesn't know what your body's saying, vice versa. You know, you need to give off positive messages. And when you start talking about losing and potentially retiring, I don't see why he would mention that. Or is he saying, Look, if I lose that it, I need to give it all. And if that is the case, and we do see an aggressive Wilder, I back my decision.

It's you know, body language. Your body doesn't your brain doesn't know what your body's saying, vice versa. You know, you need to give off positive messages. And when you start talking about losing and potentially retiring, I don't see why he would mention that. Or is he saying, Look, if I lose that it, I need to give it all. And if that is the case, and we do see an aggressive Wilder, I back my decision.

Well, he just I was watching the way and he spoke to Time Grisham after the weigh in, and he brought up how successful he was outside the ring, how happy he is with his seven kids, and that's great. I mean, I hope every fighter that retires is as happy as Deontay Wilder seems to be. But I watched that and I don't believe that. The It doesn't make me believe that the killer within has re emerged, you know, and like that's what we're looking for. We're looking for old Deontay Wilder, the guy that the seek and destroy Deontay Wilder. And look, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but how he sounds this week is not making me believe we're going to see a very different version than what we saw back in December.

Well, he just I was watching the way and he spoke to Time Grisham after the weigh in, and he brought up how successful he was outside the ring, how happy he is with his seven kids, and that's great. I mean, I hope every fighter that retires is as happy as Deontay Wilder seems to be. But I watched that and I don't believe that. The It doesn't make me believe that the killer within has re emerged, you know, and like that's what we're looking for. We're looking for old Deontay Wilder, the guy that the seek and destroy Deontay Wilder. And look, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but how he sounds this week is not making me believe we're going to see a very different version than what we saw back in December.

Yeah, maybe I'm hopeful, and I agree with you. I think Malik Scott's got a huge job too. Maybe slap him in between rounds and just say what you come on?

Yeah, maybe I'm hopeful, and I agree with you. I think Malik Scott's got a huge job too. Maybe slap him in between rounds and just say what you come on?

Is that hard though? Like in your mind? Like Malik Scott his strengths in boxing was as a boxer, like is he making Deontay too much of a boxer?

Is that hard though? Like in your mind? Like Malik Scott his strengths in boxing was as a boxer, like is he making Deontay too much of a boxer?

Surely? Surely? Hem the I mean, I have to say this, one of the worst fighters I've ever watched was Malik Scott Lewis Ortiz in Monte Carlo. It was awful and maybe you know, Malik Scott must understand it wasn't a good fight and his charge to world. I cannot afford to fight like that. He needs to be aggressive, he needs to be spiteful and the Lions. I think Malik Scott has the knowledge, the mindset to understand that. And I just feel he's got an important part to play. I hope we see the old world for one last rodeo. If this is to be, even if he goes out and loses, go out on your shield. Come on show everyone just one last time that there's there's that little bit of fight left and if it was a brutal finish and a brutal knockout of Zam because I'm kind of picturing that moment David Hay wobbles value Lev and there's you know, the legs jelly and I'm just visualizing something like that from Wilder and him getting the finish with that big right hand. A fight that we've always spoken about in the UK is aj Wilder that will sell out Wembley Stadium twice. So uh yeah, I'm I'm free too on that final fight and I'm going Wilder stuff.

Surely? Surely? Hem the I mean, I have to say this, one of the worst fighters I've ever watched was Malik Scott Lewis Ortiz in Monte Carlo. It was awful and maybe you know, Malik Scott must understand it wasn't a good fight and his charge to world. I cannot afford to fight like that. He needs to be aggressive, he needs to be spiteful and the Lions. I think Malik Scott has the knowledge, the mindset to understand that. And I just feel he's got an important part to play. I hope we see the old world for one last rodeo. If this is to be, even if he goes out and loses, go out on your shield. Come on show everyone just one last time that there's there's that little bit of fight left and if it was a brutal finish and a brutal knockout of Zam because I'm kind of picturing that moment David Hay wobbles value Lev and there's you know, the legs jelly and I'm just visualizing something like that from Wilder and him getting the finish with that big right hand. A fight that we've always spoken about in the UK is aj Wilder that will sell out Wembley Stadium twice. So uh yeah, I'm I'm free too on that final fight and I'm going Wilder stuff.

Is look and if he wins. I know there's been some talk of wild they're fighting Jared Anderson.

Is look and if he wins. I know there's been some talk of wild they're fighting Jared Anderson.

I think that would be a mistake, Like you don't go in with a young maybe you beat him, I don't.

I think that would be a mistake, Like you don't go in with a young maybe you beat him, I don't.

I don't know if Jared Andersen's any good, but he's young, he's strong, he's heavy handed, Like that's the wrong fight. Like to me, if Wilder wins straight into Anthony Joshua, I don't care if there's no titles on the line. I don't care if you fictionalize the WBA belt. I don't care what you do. But in September of this year, it is Wilder against Joshua. But you cannot afford to have Wilder fight Anderson and Joshua fight Herkovich and hope that they both.

I don't know if Jared Andersen's any good, but he's young, he's strong, he's heavy handed, Like that's the wrong fight. Like to me, if Wilder wins straight into Anthony Joshua, I don't care if there's no titles on the line. I don't care if you fictionalize the WBA belt. I don't care what you do. But in September of this year, it is Wilder against Joshua. But you cannot afford to have Wilder fight Anderson and Joshua fight Herkovich and hope that they both.

Get through that unscathed. Like that's the fight right, like that has now would be the time.

Get through that unscathed. Like that's the fight right, like that has now would be the time.

It's got to be now. It's got to be now, and you can build that fight massive. You know there'll be a weld title on the line, both coming off knockouts. If my prediction is right. It's massive back home in the UK that sells out Wembley stadiums wise, I don't care. You know, there's so many fans of Anthony Joshua, they understand who Wilder is. The general public even do. I would say to a degree, it's massive. It really is big. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised though, if Wilder the South's off into the sunset, but that carrot dang.

It's got to be now. It's got to be now, and you can build that fight massive. You know there'll be a weld title on the line, both coming off knockouts. If my prediction is right. It's massive back home in the UK that sells out Wembley stadiums wise, I don't care. You know, there's so many fans of Anthony Joshua, they understand who Wilder is. The general public even do. I would say to a degree, it's massive. It really is big. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised though, if Wilder the South's off into the sunset, but that carrot dang.

I don't think he'd he'd give up the financial carriad either on that one. No matter how much money you have, it's always good to get a little bit more. And A is gonna be ringside for this fight. I saw Ben Davison, his trainer in the lobby earlier today, so he's going to be there, probably either looking at Herkovic. But also if Wilder wins, we could finally get it.

I don't think he'd he'd give up the financial carriad either on that one. No matter how much money you have, it's always good to get a little bit more. And A is gonna be ringside for this fight. I saw Ben Davison, his trainer in the lobby earlier today, so he's going to be there, probably either looking at Herkovic. But also if Wilder wins, we could finally get it.

There is absolutely no way Wilder is retiring. If you beg zags, yeah, yeah, that's ridiculous.

There is absolutely no way Wilder is retiring. If you beg zags, yeah, yeah, that's ridiculous.

I have one more idea to make you a few bucks in your life. If we happen to cross with Turkey ala Chic on Saturday, I'm going to suggest a senior.

I have one more idea to make you a few bucks in your life. If we happen to cross with Turkey ala Chic on Saturday, I'm going to suggest a senior.

Tour five on five and one of the fighters sign me up.

Tour five on five and one of the fighters sign me up.

One of the fights I want to make is you and Sergio Darren Barker versus Sergio Mora. Both of you can cake yourself and Canisio tape in the week. In the weeks and months before the fight, Sergio said he can go eight rounds at most, So if you'll take an eight rounder, I will pitch the eight rounder.

One of the fights I want to make is you and Sergio Darren Barker versus Sergio Mora. Both of you can cake yourself and Canisio tape in the week. In the weeks and months before the fight, Sergio said he can go eight rounds at most, So if you'll take an eight rounder, I will pitch the eight rounder.

So I can do the UK some justice and be a Mexican fane.

So I can do the UK some justice and be a Mexican fane.

And Sergio, we know can't punch, so there's no danger there for you. You're good to You're good.

And Sergio, we know can't punch, so there's no danger there for you. You're good to You're good.

We'll just have a shoot We'll have a shootout for free rounds and just see who the lost man standing is with both of your knees.

We'll just have a shoot We'll have a shootout for free rounds and just see who the lost man standing is with both of your knees.