The Volume, Joe, what's going on?

The Volume, Joe, what's going on?

Everyone? Welcome in brand new episode of Snaps YouTube dot com Slash at Volume staffs. If you're watching live or early today, that's because we are being joined by a very special guest. One of my favorite minds in the world and just a muse of mine and inspiration in many ways. At is Spencer Hall at EDSBS on Twitter of course channel six. Him and Holly have created this wonderful ecosystem for them to hang out in and have fun, and then you catch them all over your television and everything else. He's just a legend of the college football circus spins.

Everyone? Welcome in brand new episode of Snaps YouTube dot com Slash at Volume staffs. If you're watching live or early today, that's because we are being joined by a very special guest. One of my favorite minds in the world and just a muse of mine and inspiration in many ways. At is Spencer Hall at EDSBS on Twitter of course channel six. Him and Holly have created this wonderful ecosystem for them to hang out in and have fun, and then you catch them all over your television and everything else. He's just a legend of the college football circus spins.

What's up? Man?

What's up? Man?

Thank you so much for joining us today. Dude, No, my pleasure.

Thank you so much for joining us today. Dude, No, my pleasure.

Thank you for the kind words I deserve, like maybe four of them, so I'll time.

Thank you for the kind words I deserve, like maybe four of them, so I'll time.

I mean it's it's it's, I mean it though. It's one of those things where there's a few people like this. Uh you know how you like follow someone who you do the Sorry I'm not trying to look distracted. I'm just getting on my windows in order over here.

I mean it's it's it's, I mean it though. It's one of those things where there's a few people like this. Uh you know how you like follow someone who you do the Sorry I'm not trying to look distracted. I'm just getting on my windows in order over here.

But you follow someone who.

But you follow someone who.

You got, I guess you do the same job or you're like kind of in similar jobs, right, right, and you're just constantly jealous of how smart their takes are or talented they are. Like that's how I feel when I look at your tweets and I'm laughing, I'm like, holy shit, that's funny as fuck. Why can't I be funny like that? So I'm very excited to uh, to to have you on today.

You got, I guess you do the same job or you're like kind of in similar jobs, right, right, and you're just constantly jealous of how smart their takes are or talented they are. Like that's how I feel when I look at your tweets and I'm laughing, I'm like, holy shit, that's funny as fuck. Why can't I be funny like that? So I'm very excited to uh, to to have you on today.

I would just suggest failing at every other professional endeavor in your career, that's it. You fail at everything else, you can do this job, all right.

I would just suggest failing at every other professional endeavor in your career, that's it. You fail at everything else, you can do this job, all right.

So if we got a lot to get to today, UH, for the nerds out there, I do want to talk quite a bit of forty K. It'll be a wide ranging conversation. Nick Saban. Uh, there's a really great retirement piece by Chris Lowe that was just dropped on kind of the madness of the Alabama coaching search, which actually, I guess and to Greg Burns credit, kind of wasn't that mad, Like it was actually very well conducted and like planned for. And I think you handle like a champ in di bors an awesome land. I do think there's some interesting comments Saban made maybe about kind of college football that don't want to chop up a little bit, maybe get into like a little Zach Carnett. I don't know yet if we're gonna get there. I do want to dive into your piece on Channel six, which I haven't got a fully read yet. But the one thing about every FPS team kind of you're some of the more interesting lore that you found in your journeys, finding one nice thing about all college FOOTBA teams. So look, it's gonna be a really fun show. So hit the like button, y'all. Pack If you love Spitzer, hit the like buds, share with your friends, and if you're listening to podcasts, rate review and helped you please the algorithmic gods that rule our existence. Spincer, we're talking about the I did a dog race before the show, and if you missed it, Dallas Seevie got entangled with a moose. He had to kill said moose. He had maybe one of my favorite quotes ever where he was describing having to gut the moose and he said, I did the best I could. It was ugly.

So if we got a lot to get to today, UH, for the nerds out there, I do want to talk quite a bit of forty K. It'll be a wide ranging conversation. Nick Saban. Uh, there's a really great retirement piece by Chris Lowe that was just dropped on kind of the madness of the Alabama coaching search, which actually, I guess and to Greg Burns credit, kind of wasn't that mad, Like it was actually very well conducted and like planned for. And I think you handle like a champ in di bors an awesome land. I do think there's some interesting comments Saban made maybe about kind of college football that don't want to chop up a little bit, maybe get into like a little Zach Carnett. I don't know yet if we're gonna get there. I do want to dive into your piece on Channel six, which I haven't got a fully read yet. But the one thing about every FPS team kind of you're some of the more interesting lore that you found in your journeys, finding one nice thing about all college FOOTBA teams. So look, it's gonna be a really fun show. So hit the like button, y'all. Pack If you love Spitzer, hit the like buds, share with your friends, and if you're listening to podcasts, rate review and helped you please the algorithmic gods that rule our existence. Spincer, we're talking about the I did a dog race before the show, and if you missed it, Dallas Seevie got entangled with a moose. He had to kill said moose. He had maybe one of my favorite quotes ever where he was describing having to gut the moose and he said, I did the best I could. It was ugly.

Like that it was ugly.

Like that it was ugly.

Just gives you if if you are someone who's a five time I did a rod champion and you're telling me it was ugly. That was a grizzly fucking scene out there on the track. Come to find out he did not gut the moose correctly. He has now been imposed a two hour time penalty. But you point out something that I didn't even think about. Why do you need to gut the moose?

Just gives you if if you are someone who's a five time I did a rod champion and you're telling me it was ugly. That was a grizzly fucking scene out there on the track. Come to find out he did not gut the moose correctly. He has now been imposed a two hour time penalty. But you point out something that I didn't even think about. Why do you need to gut the moose?

Okay, number of things. I was like giving people something to read. And I don't mean like, oh, let's let's go read a novel. No reading is a utility. Go look at this book. It's called A Guy to Hunting Large Game and it is by Kinsella. He's a guy who runs the show and the website Meat Eater. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but he is a great hunter. Like, this guy is like super pro hunting and he talks about moose and if you hunt moose, you'd need a good friend. Why because hunting moose is going to test your friendship. It is going because there is so much to haul out. There is more moose inside a moose than you might even think. If you've ever seen a moose, they're big as hell. That's a scientific term.

Okay, number of things. I was like giving people something to read. And I don't mean like, oh, let's let's go read a novel. No reading is a utility. Go look at this book. It's called A Guy to Hunting Large Game and it is by Kinsella. He's a guy who runs the show and the website Meat Eater. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but he is a great hunter. Like, this guy is like super pro hunting and he talks about moose and if you hunt moose, you'd need a good friend. Why because hunting moose is going to test your friendship. It is going because there is so much to haul out. There is more moose inside a moose than you might even think. If you've ever seen a moose, they're big as hell. That's a scientific term.

I don't think I've ever seen one, Dude, I don't think I live because they're not they're not at zoos really right, Like, no, I don't know.

I don't think I've ever seen one, Dude, I don't think I live because they're not they're not at zoos really right, Like, no, I don't know.

Yeah, the habitat would be unmanageably huge and it would have to be wet. It's like because they live in marshat I walked up on. I walked up on one in Colorado and a marshland next to sort of the Grand Lake area, and I didn't know it was there until I was ten feet away from it. I'm pretty oblivious, but I'm not that oblivious. They're quiet, they're quiet, they disappear very quickly. They're very hard to hunt. They're very hard to find, obviously, and honestly, they can disappear fast. So like if you don't get your shot off or you make a noise, they'll vanish on you. And you don't really want to get super aggressive chasing them because they will beat your ass. Beat More people are attacked by moose every year than by bears. All Right, they do not want to be around you. They prefer their privacy. They like their personal space and you should give it to them. So why do you have to gut the moose? Because it's huge and you don't want to create a nuisance by having a big gut pile out there for bears. You don't want bears rooting around inside an unbuchered carcass.

Yeah, the habitat would be unmanageably huge and it would have to be wet. It's like because they live in marshat I walked up on. I walked up on one in Colorado and a marshland next to sort of the Grand Lake area, and I didn't know it was there until I was ten feet away from it. I'm pretty oblivious, but I'm not that oblivious. They're quiet, they're quiet, they disappear very quickly. They're very hard to hunt. They're very hard to find, obviously, and honestly, they can disappear fast. So like if you don't get your shot off or you make a noise, they'll vanish on you. And you don't really want to get super aggressive chasing them because they will beat your ass. Beat More people are attacked by moose every year than by bears. All Right, they do not want to be around you. They prefer their privacy. They like their personal space and you should give it to them. So why do you have to gut the moose? Because it's huge and you don't want to create a nuisance by having a big gut pile out there for bears. You don't want bears rooting around inside an unbuchered carcass.

It's always the bears.

It's always the bears.

Don't create a nuisance because do you know what will really mess up a dog team and a musher, a kodiak. That's why. Okay, people are going to say, well, man, why did he get this? Why did he get this time penalty? Or well they got a time penalty because you're creating an additional danger, right, It wasn't your fault. You encountered the moose, but you have to handle it. Yes, I see a commenter calling this a mussence. That is correct. That is a mousence. You don't you don't want to correct that? Well, yeah it I want to say. I was happy to learn. Look all the meat has apparently been processed. It's all being delivered, So the moose sacrifice not in vain. Uh.

Don't create a nuisance because do you know what will really mess up a dog team and a musher, a kodiak. That's why. Okay, people are going to say, well, man, why did he get this? Why did he get this time penalty? Or well they got a time penalty because you're creating an additional danger, right, It wasn't your fault. You encountered the moose, but you have to handle it. Yes, I see a commenter calling this a mussence. That is correct. That is a mousence. You don't you don't want to correct that? Well, yeah it I want to say. I was happy to learn. Look all the meat has apparently been processed. It's all being delivered, So the moose sacrifice not in vain. Uh.

It's going to feed some people, as anytime you talk about honey, and I think that's kind of the main base level goal that I want is just eat what you kill. It did lead me down a bit of an Iditarod wrote wormhole, though I mean a thousand miles over frozen rivers and mountain ranges. There is something ancient about this race.

It's going to feed some people, as anytime you talk about honey, and I think that's kind of the main base level goal that I want is just eat what you kill. It did lead me down a bit of an Iditarod wrote wormhole, though I mean a thousand miles over frozen rivers and mountain ranges. There is something ancient about this race.

Uh.

Uh.

And then I was inspired by you know your your your article, and I was trying to look up the colleges of I did a Rod winners. That's kind of hard to do, right, I don't know. Many are kind of people who maybe you know, forge your own way, maybe didn't go to college or like whatever. So, but do you know the state that is tied with Alaska for the most I did a Rod winners.

And then I was inspired by you know your your your article, and I was trying to look up the colleges of I did a Rod winners. That's kind of hard to do, right, I don't know. Many are kind of people who maybe you know, forge your own way, maybe didn't go to college or like whatever. So, but do you know the state that is tied with Alaska for the most I did a Rod winners.

Hmm, I'm gonna go Washington.

Hmm, I'm gonna go Washington.

Uh it's actually Minnesota, which makes sense, right, Yeah, YadA YadA. I was shocked though, Virginia second on the list. Virginia has five I did a Rod winners. About that. That's what I'm saying, dude, big upset there.

Uh it's actually Minnesota, which makes sense, right, Yeah, YadA YadA. I was shocked though, Virginia second on the list. Virginia has five I did a Rod winners. About that. That's what I'm saying, dude, big upset there.

I'm gonna have to figure out why. I'm gonna figure it.

I'm gonna have to figure out why. I'm gonna figure it.

Has to be like one person, right, I'm gonna go too deep, right, it has to be we just got like an all time great. It appears too that maybe the father's like I did a Rod, runs in the family, like Dallas Sevie, the guy who got the penalties, a five time winner. If he wins again this year, he'll become the first time first ever six time winner, but like his dad, I had won it multiple times back in the day. So there's a lot of Idit Rod families and I don't know, maybe there's a Virginia one out there.

Has to be like one person, right, I'm gonna go too deep, right, it has to be we just got like an all time great. It appears too that maybe the father's like I did a Rod, runs in the family, like Dallas Sevie, the guy who got the penalties, a five time winner. If he wins again this year, he'll become the first time first ever six time winner, but like his dad, I had won it multiple times back in the day. So there's a lot of Idit Rod families and I don't know, maybe there's a Virginia one out there.

You should go read. There's a old Grantline piece that Brian Phillips wrote about going to the Idita Rod, and I think he learned. I think he learned how to fly a plane for it, because it's not a it's not a sporting event that you can just sort of buy a ticket to and show up. It's not even an event where like the Tour de France, you have to follow it around in a car. There are no roads. That's why it's called the Idita Rod. You can't. The only way that you could follow it is if you competed in it. So yeah, go read that because it is right here. Yeah hell yeah, yeah. Moose are huge. The Idita Rod is extremely difficult, and you should bring a friend to hunt them. That's what you should. You should always bring a very good friend, not a casual acquaintance, because your friendship will be tested.

You should go read. There's a old Grantline piece that Brian Phillips wrote about going to the Idita Rod, and I think he learned. I think he learned how to fly a plane for it, because it's not a it's not a sporting event that you can just sort of buy a ticket to and show up. It's not even an event where like the Tour de France, you have to follow it around in a car. There are no roads. That's why it's called the Idita Rod. You can't. The only way that you could follow it is if you competed in it. So yeah, go read that because it is right here. Yeah hell yeah, yeah. Moose are huge. The Idita Rod is extremely difficult, and you should bring a friend to hunt them. That's what you should. You should always bring a very good friend, not a casual acquaintance, because your friendship will be tested.

See this is what happens when you get to the premiere mind college football. Right together, let's talk about real quick, the one thing about every FBS team. And by the way, y'all, you could sign up for Channel six two things every week, Spitzer and Holly doing what they want, giving you stuff that they love to talk about, musings, everything else. And they went around and said, one found one cool piece of lore for every school in the FBS. What was maybe the most intriguing, interesting, or just one that you want to bring up?

See this is what happens when you get to the premiere mind college football. Right together, let's talk about real quick, the one thing about every FBS team. And by the way, y'all, you could sign up for Channel six two things every week, Spitzer and Holly doing what they want, giving you stuff that they love to talk about, musings, everything else. And they went around and said, one found one cool piece of lore for every school in the FBS. What was maybe the most intriguing, interesting, or just one that you want to bring up?

If I was going through it and I had to pick the one that I thought was most interesting, one that the University of Alabama campus is definitely haunted, like definitely haunted. That is, there is a former I believe mental hospital that was condemned and is now part of the campus and used for other purposes, So that is allegedly haunted. I thought that was fascinating. The University of Arizona hasn't has a functioning uh what do you call observatory beneath the Eastern stands in Tucson, like.

If I was going through it and I had to pick the one that I thought was most interesting, one that the University of Alabama campus is definitely haunted, like definitely haunted. That is, there is a former I believe mental hospital that was condemned and is now part of the campus and used for other purposes, So that is allegedly haunted. I thought that was fascinating. The University of Arizona hasn't has a functioning uh what do you call observatory beneath the Eastern stands in Tucson, like.

Beneath functioning Wait wait in the stadium.

Beneath functioning Wait wait in the stadium.

Yeah, they make One of the things they do is they make these huge mirrors that go in telescopes and it's below the stands. It's incorporated into the stadium. What in Tucson.

Yeah, they make One of the things they do is they make these huge mirrors that go in telescopes and it's below the stands. It's incorporated into the stadium. What in Tucson.

Yeah, was that Like was that like a funding thing? Like I know, like back in the day UEP. Long and else you wanted to make He wanted to upgrade Dead Valley, wanted to make it huge. And the way to do it he put dorms in the stadium.

Yeah, was that Like was that like a funding thing? Like I know, like back in the day UEP. Long and else you wanted to make He wanted to upgrade Dead Valley, wanted to make it huge. And the way to do it he put dorms in the stadium.

That's right.

That's right.

You can see these little windows on on on the side of Tiger Stadium and they're the use old dorms actually win in him last year to film like a hype video or two years ago before else you got there asking by Tennessee, and it had some it has some real walking dead energy in there, like nobody's lived in there since the seventies and it's all kind of like there's still remnants of human habitation.

You can see these little windows on on on the side of Tiger Stadium and they're the use old dorms actually win in him last year to film like a hype video or two years ago before else you got there asking by Tennessee, and it had some it has some real walking dead energy in there, like nobody's lived in there since the seventies and it's all kind of like there's still remnants of human habitation.

But yeah, I guess I just don't know.

But yeah, I guess I just don't know.

Like, if you're building an observatory, I guess I'm just not connecting. Why put it in the stadium where like thousands of people are gonna be above.

Like, if you're building an observatory, I guess I'm just not connecting. Why put it in the stadium where like thousands of people are gonna be above.

It stomping around on it all the time. Well, you need underneath it. What you basically need to make these big mirrors is you need an oven, because that's how you make a mirror, That's how you make glass. Right, you need a place where you can get stuff real hot in an oven, and you need a lot of space. And when this guy who was making mirrors, this guy works, this astronomer who works at the University of Arizona, he was making them, making them in his oven. He goes, I need a place to put a really big oven where I can make these mirrors. And the campus managers were like, we have a place and it's out of the way and we only use it, you know, seven eight times a year. Why don't you come on through. So yeah, they've got these like big oven type things where they make mirrors underneath the stadium at Arizona.

It stomping around on it all the time. Well, you need underneath it. What you basically need to make these big mirrors is you need an oven, because that's how you make a mirror, That's how you make glass. Right, you need a place where you can get stuff real hot in an oven, and you need a lot of space. And when this guy who was making mirrors, this guy works, this astronomer who works at the University of Arizona, he was making them, making them in his oven. He goes, I need a place to put a really big oven where I can make these mirrors. And the campus managers were like, we have a place and it's out of the way and we only use it, you know, seven eight times a year. Why don't you come on through. So yeah, they've got these like big oven type things where they make mirrors underneath the stadium at Arizona.

What piece of Lord did you end up finding for LSUU?

What piece of Lord did you end up finding for LSUU?

What did we find for L did you go?

What did we find for L did you go?

Well, well, I guess I only asked to say this. It wasn't the Moon lore?

Well, well, I guess I only asked to say this. It wasn't the Moon lore?

Was it?

Was it?

Have you seen this recently?

Have you seen this recently?

No? Lsu I can tell you it was it the moonlaw?

No? Lsu I can tell you it was it the moonlaw?

Okay, So L s U the first SEC school on the Moon, as they developed a piece of technology called tiger I one no like measured radiation levels.

Okay, So L s U the first SEC school on the Moon, as they developed a piece of technology called tiger I one no like measured radiation levels.

We did cite this that you guys were already recruiting on the Moon, that it was already already advancing into lunar recruiting well ahead of everyone else. That is correct, you guys.

We did cite this that you guys were already recruiting on the Moon, that it was already already advancing into lunar recruiting well ahead of everyone else. That is correct, you guys.

Well, it's like you have you have China and Russia talking about opening a nuclear power plant on the moon. But even that headline comes two weeks after Tiger I officially stamping the the the purple and gold up there on our lunar. Brother.

Well, it's like you have you have China and Russia talking about opening a nuclear power plant on the moon. But even that headline comes two weeks after Tiger I officially stamping the the the purple and gold up there on our lunar. Brother.

Well, you see, we couldn't use the Quby Long thing because there's too many good Huey Long stories and most of them have been told when it comes to LSU, and you have to tell people who Huey Long is. So there's a curve on that. If I just tell people, hey, LSU is recruiting on the moon with advanced AI, that's enough.

Well, you see, we couldn't use the Quby Long thing because there's too many good Huey Long stories and most of them have been told when it comes to LSU, and you have to tell people who Huey Long is. So there's a curve on that. If I just tell people, hey, LSU is recruiting on the moon with advanced AI, that's enough.

I think, Hey, how else do they have the number one quarterback, number one running back, and number one wide receiver committed for twenty five? I mean, it's it's technology. Say I, Oh, my favorite Huey Long story is this, and I think it encapsulates really everything that he was where. You know, in many ways he had very noble goals and did a lot of good things, but he would just set himself up every step along the way. So he brought roads throughout rural Louisiana, right, which is incredible. He connected these communities that would have never been connected otherwise, all of a sudden, they could drive, et cetera, et cetera. But he owned the company that sold the rock. He would sell subpar rock at the premium price. He would wet down on the rock to add extra weight, and then he made the roads eighteen inches too narrow to make the rock go further. But it's like he technically accomplished this very noble thing. At its core, he just skimmed every single step along the way. He would do like at every level.

I think, Hey, how else do they have the number one quarterback, number one running back, and number one wide receiver committed for twenty five? I mean, it's it's technology. Say I, Oh, my favorite Huey Long story is this, and I think it encapsulates really everything that he was where. You know, in many ways he had very noble goals and did a lot of good things, but he would just set himself up every step along the way. So he brought roads throughout rural Louisiana, right, which is incredible. He connected these communities that would have never been connected otherwise, all of a sudden, they could drive, et cetera, et cetera. But he owned the company that sold the rock. He would sell subpar rock at the premium price. He would wet down on the rock to add extra weight, and then he made the roads eighteen inches too narrow to make the rock go further. But it's like he technically accomplished this very noble thing. At its core, he just skimmed every single step along the way. He would do like at every level.

He would do my He would also do the venerable Southern politician trick of he would show up to an event or to a facility or a location that was mostly black voters, and he would show up and say, hey, I'm listening to you, and I hear y'all. I know other politicians don't do this, so why don't you tell me what you need? And he would hear that he'd go, great, PS, don't tell anyone I was here. Don't tell it. That was what like doing, kind of doing the right thing until the last second, then kind of taking a left. That's very much the Huey long story. Uh, just a fascinating.

He would do my He would also do the venerable Southern politician trick of he would show up to an event or to a facility or a location that was mostly black voters, and he would show up and say, hey, I'm listening to you, and I hear y'all. I know other politicians don't do this, so why don't you tell me what you need? And he would hear that he'd go, great, PS, don't tell anyone I was here. Don't tell it. That was what like doing, kind of doing the right thing until the last second, then kind of taking a left. That's very much the Huey long story. Uh, just a fascinating.

Individual, basically the dictator Louisiana for a while there. Never forget Kip's second most dangerous man in America a Cordon Roosevelt. All right, the first most dangerous man in America? Maybe Nick Saban, Spencer, Where do you see I want to get into kind of Saban's thoughts on maybe how he felt in his older age about like the off season meetings of that was kind of fascinating player motivation. But with Saban retiring, if we wanted to start to dabble into some of maybe some forty k is Saber retiring the death of the Emperor of college football? Or is it the beginning? Because do you think we see Nick Saban as we enter the twenty twenty four geen of college football?

Individual, basically the dictator Louisiana for a while there. Never forget Kip's second most dangerous man in America a Cordon Roosevelt. All right, the first most dangerous man in America? Maybe Nick Saban, Spencer, Where do you see I want to get into kind of Saban's thoughts on maybe how he felt in his older age about like the off season meetings of that was kind of fascinating player motivation. But with Saban retiring, if we wanted to start to dabble into some of maybe some forty k is Saber retiring the death of the Emperor of college football? Or is it the beginning? Because do you think we see Nick Saban as we enter the twenty twenty four geen of college football?

Right?

Right?

And a football split looks inevitable, a split away from the NCAA and maybe even a split into like a premier league type of situation. Do you think Nick Saban starts to position himself as the kind of commissioner of college football?

And a football split looks inevitable, a split away from the NCAA and maybe even a split into like a premier league type of situation. Do you think Nick Saban starts to position himself as the kind of commissioner of college football?

I think that's a likely position. I think also he's got dude, has a lot of buses interests, like particularly when it comes to his Mercedes affiliation. So I think he's probably got a lot of that on his mind. I know his money got taken care of eventually in coaching, but it might not be what you think it is, because, like a lot of people in the two thousands, he had some bad investments.

I think that's a likely position. I think also he's got dude, has a lot of buses interests, like particularly when it comes to his Mercedes affiliation. So I think he's probably got a lot of that on his mind. I know his money got taken care of eventually in coaching, but it might not be what you think it is, because, like a lot of people in the two thousands, he had some bad investments.

So he's famously hear.

So he's famously hear.

Go Tigers. Yeah, there was a lot of that, and so he's got to take care of that. But I think a couple of things are happening here. One, I think we might be kind of taking trends and trying to come up to grand conclusions out of something which is pretty normal, which is the way I did things. Doesn't work and I'm seventy two. That's it. It doesn't work, Like yeah, yeah, it really doesn't work. And at a certain point you have to consider the relationship between the employee who's been doing this real successfully for a real long time and the job which has changed. That's inevitable, but that's not new. That's Bear Bryant. Bear Bryant had that happened to him during his career. He started off being the guy who's responsible for the Junction Boys. He started off being the guy who his idea of training players was tantam ount to torture, and by the time he retires that won't fly anymore. You have to give consider that that his predecessor in greatness, the guy who has probably his most direct comp in terms of Bear Bryant, when he started giving people water at practice, was considered weak and we retired. So when we talk.

Go Tigers. Yeah, there was a lot of that, and so he's got to take care of that. But I think a couple of things are happening here. One, I think we might be kind of taking trends and trying to come up to grand conclusions out of something which is pretty normal, which is the way I did things. Doesn't work and I'm seventy two. That's it. It doesn't work, Like yeah, yeah, it really doesn't work. And at a certain point you have to consider the relationship between the employee who's been doing this real successfully for a real long time and the job which has changed. That's inevitable, but that's not new. That's Bear Bryant. Bear Bryant had that happened to him during his career. He started off being the guy who's responsible for the Junction Boys. He started off being the guy who his idea of training players was tantam ount to torture, and by the time he retires that won't fly anymore. You have to give consider that that his predecessor in greatness, the guy who has probably his most direct comp in terms of Bear Bryant, when he started giving people water at practice, was considered weak and we retired. So when we talk.

About it, it's hard to wrap your head around, Like it's actually about like hard to fathom.

About it, it's hard to wrap your head around, Like it's actually about like hard to fathom.

Right when we talk about, like, oh, all the changes in college football. Okay, man, it wasn't from nineteen fifty to nineteen eighty because I'm pretty sure during Nick Samond's entire tenure within football in college football as a head coach, water was accepted a practice the whole time. Okay, it's changed a little bit, It hasn't changed that drastically. Right. We've lived through or seen bigger changes that we can cite.

Right when we talk about, like, oh, all the changes in college football. Okay, man, it wasn't from nineteen fifty to nineteen eighty because I'm pretty sure during Nick Samond's entire tenure within football in college football as a head coach, water was accepted a practice the whole time. Okay, it's changed a little bit, It hasn't changed that drastically. Right. We've lived through or seen bigger changes that we can cite.

Well and and will yes, but then it's like the major change just all happened so fast. I mean, in terms of some of these seismic shifts maybe that we've seen, in terms of like the NCMLA repeatedly losing all these core cases portal being wide open twenty four to seven. Now a player's being paid. And so if you missed the article, Saban said, you know, this is just one of the quotes.

Well and and will yes, but then it's like the major change just all happened so fast. I mean, in terms of some of these seismic shifts maybe that we've seen, in terms of like the NCMLA repeatedly losing all these core cases portal being wide open twenty four to seven. Now a player's being paid. And so if you missed the article, Saban said, you know, this is just one of the quotes.

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I thought we could have a hell of a team next year and then maybe seventy eighty percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things. What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, And how much you're going to pay me, says. Our program here was always built on how much value you could create for your future and your personal development, academic success and graduate development, NFL career on the field. So I'm saying to myself, maybe this doesn't work anymore. The goals and aspirations are just different, and it's all about how much money can make as a college player. Now, I do like this. I want to be fair to me, he says. I'm not saying that it's bad. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying this has never been what we were about and it's not why we had success through the years. I here's the deal. I love players being paid. And I know this sounds like I'm saying up for a butt, but I'm really not. I love players being paid. I think, I think the market has absolutely spoken. Like the the most bipartisan political cooperation I've ever seen in my life are states trying to make it easier for athletes to get paid. Like if Louisiana legislator can't get shit done, but if it comes to loosening the restrictions so ls you can stay competitive with missoo and everybody else, like you damn be that that shit gets past like that, right, So the market spoken. I do wonder, though, because you're someone who really I think highlights and appreciates the wonderful, quirky nature of college football, why it's so unique. Do we lose any of that? You unique, that uniqueness as it becomes more professionalized.

I thought we could have a hell of a team next year and then maybe seventy eighty percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things. What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, And how much you're going to pay me, says. Our program here was always built on how much value you could create for your future and your personal development, academic success and graduate development, NFL career on the field. So I'm saying to myself, maybe this doesn't work anymore. The goals and aspirations are just different, and it's all about how much money can make as a college player. Now, I do like this. I want to be fair to me, he says. I'm not saying that it's bad. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying this has never been what we were about and it's not why we had success through the years. I here's the deal. I love players being paid. And I know this sounds like I'm saying up for a butt, but I'm really not. I love players being paid. I think, I think the market has absolutely spoken. Like the the most bipartisan political cooperation I've ever seen in my life are states trying to make it easier for athletes to get paid. Like if Louisiana legislator can't get shit done, but if it comes to loosening the restrictions so ls you can stay competitive with missoo and everybody else, like you damn be that that shit gets past like that, right, So the market spoken. I do wonder, though, because you're someone who really I think highlights and appreciates the wonderful, quirky nature of college football, why it's so unique. Do we lose any of that? You unique, that uniqueness as it becomes more professionalized.

Well, I mean it's always been professionalized. It's just the sense that the teams, the teams grow to the size of the market. There's a reason that the NFL has never really i think, managed to take hold in earnest in the South in the way that it did in you know, the Northeast, or in the Midwest and parts of the Midwest at least, and that is because the teams that serve the markets down here were at the college level and they were very much professional teams. It's just with an extremely skewed, weird economy when it came to how we paid players, we kind of managed to sneak a professional league in where there were no professional teams. And right now, the way that that market works is when people say it's a disaster, I like to use words kind of accurately. I'm prone to hyperbole. I may be pro to exaggeration. I think disasters a little strong. It's confusing. It's a market, it's a new market, and the way that we have it's an imperfect market too, because we have twin tracks of revenue. And I'm probably gonna be writing about this next week if I can get my brain straight. We have twin tracks of revenue. One, you have the actual money which is currently attracting players in nil Yeah, which is completely firewalled, siloed, isolated from the money coming in for the value of the product. That's messed up. That's deeply messed up. We have all of this TV money coming into the system. The TV money is the thing that is driving this transformative era in college football where we finally looked at the money and said, hey, players should be getting some of that, but they're still not now, I know, still not because that's still going to the schools. We haven't solved anything. Instead, we created and Seth Emerson has a pretty good article about this in The Athletic Today. We're we added the system where we basically have subscription services for our nil collectives in football programs, which are different. So I want you to consider it's not even like we make we turn college football into Netflix or Hulu or Amazon Prime Video or whatever. What's happening is this, we have created a subscription service for college football if you want your team to be good, where the actual money generated on the other end is totally isolated and has nothing to do with the money that comes for the production of the product. It is completely divorced. It's very weird, Like it's very it's very weird that they're totally separated. And that won't last. That will not last. Now court challenges will knock that down, you know. Right now. I see some people in comments who are like, the portal is a disaster. Okay, the portal right now is a disaster because we can't recognize people as employees, can't give them contracts. Right everyone in America can enter the portal at their job, except except for college football players who have to not be employees and thus have this weird market. It's it's very messed up, and most other sports have figured out a way well all this, and I think we will eventually, But right now I do sympathize somewhat with the seventy two year old football coach worth several million dollars at the very least, because would you want to reinvent yourself and figure this all out?

Well, I mean it's always been professionalized. It's just the sense that the teams, the teams grow to the size of the market. There's a reason that the NFL has never really i think, managed to take hold in earnest in the South in the way that it did in you know, the Northeast, or in the Midwest and parts of the Midwest at least, and that is because the teams that serve the markets down here were at the college level and they were very much professional teams. It's just with an extremely skewed, weird economy when it came to how we paid players, we kind of managed to sneak a professional league in where there were no professional teams. And right now, the way that that market works is when people say it's a disaster, I like to use words kind of accurately. I'm prone to hyperbole. I may be pro to exaggeration. I think disasters a little strong. It's confusing. It's a market, it's a new market, and the way that we have it's an imperfect market too, because we have twin tracks of revenue. And I'm probably gonna be writing about this next week if I can get my brain straight. We have twin tracks of revenue. One, you have the actual money which is currently attracting players in nil Yeah, which is completely firewalled, siloed, isolated from the money coming in for the value of the product. That's messed up. That's deeply messed up. We have all of this TV money coming into the system. The TV money is the thing that is driving this transformative era in college football where we finally looked at the money and said, hey, players should be getting some of that, but they're still not now, I know, still not because that's still going to the schools. We haven't solved anything. Instead, we created and Seth Emerson has a pretty good article about this in The Athletic Today. We're we added the system where we basically have subscription services for our nil collectives in football programs, which are different. So I want you to consider it's not even like we make we turn college football into Netflix or Hulu or Amazon Prime Video or whatever. What's happening is this, we have created a subscription service for college football if you want your team to be good, where the actual money generated on the other end is totally isolated and has nothing to do with the money that comes for the production of the product. It is completely divorced. It's very weird, Like it's very it's very weird that they're totally separated. And that won't last. That will not last. Now court challenges will knock that down, you know. Right now. I see some people in comments who are like, the portal is a disaster. Okay, the portal right now is a disaster because we can't recognize people as employees, can't give them contracts. Right everyone in America can enter the portal at their job, except except for college football players who have to not be employees and thus have this weird market. It's it's very messed up, and most other sports have figured out a way well all this, and I think we will eventually, But right now I do sympathize somewhat with the seventy two year old football coach worth several million dollars at the very least, because would you want to reinvent yourself and figure this all out?

Spencer? To me, this all feels like what happens when you accept a like this is the fallout from accepting a structure that should have been flatly illegal from day one, but we just all thought was, no, this is like the actual right correct way to do this, and we did it for one hundred years.

Spencer? To me, this all feels like what happens when you accept a like this is the fallout from accepting a structure that should have been flatly illegal from day one, but we just all thought was, no, this is like the actual right correct way to do this, and we did it for one hundred years.

Of course, there can do all these weird free Do you love that? By the way, that like, really there are some things that are hardcore illegal, and then there are some things that are just illegal ish, Like the way we ran college football. I'm not talking for like five years, I'm not talking for ten years, tiba Abad. The way we ran college football was for the better part of one hundred years illegal ish. Yeah, completely, and no one had the political will to change it. You know why, because we had fun mascots. If you want to make a fortune and get away with something in America, make a cute, quirky, yeah, charming, don't forget the bands. I mean, I love a great halftime Joe dude. Yeah. Basically nobody did anything about this because they were like, well, that's probably wrong, but it's cool, it's.

Of course, there can do all these weird free Do you love that? By the way, that like, really there are some things that are hardcore illegal, and then there are some things that are just illegal ish, Like the way we ran college football. I'm not talking for like five years, I'm not talking for ten years, tiba Abad. The way we ran college football was for the better part of one hundred years illegal ish. Yeah, completely, and no one had the political will to change it. You know why, because we had fun mascots. If you want to make a fortune and get away with something in America, make a cute, quirky, yeah, charming, don't forget the bands. I mean, I love a great halftime Joe dude. Yeah. Basically nobody did anything about this because they were like, well, that's probably wrong, but it's cool, it's.

And like and it's becoming, you know, increasingly clear. That's why every time they go to court now they just get smacked down. It all goes back to the Kavanaugh letter of a few years ago, where he was like, hold on now, like this is actually fucked and like anti American and kind of every other sense. That's what I don't get about the NCAA though, with Nil specifically, is I feel like from day one they should have embraced it because they could have held onto that TV money for longer, right because like, all of a sudden, people aren't clamoring as much now. It will change, like you said, And it was funny to watch Harball launch these balloons as he's doing battle with the NCNA, like WHOA, well, fuck you guys. I'm probably out of here anyway, Like you better pay the players the TV money, uh right, but like they could have gotten away with longer for being like, oh the players are being paid now. Look well while they're still hoarding all of their smag TV cash over there on the side.

And like and it's becoming, you know, increasingly clear. That's why every time they go to court now they just get smacked down. It all goes back to the Kavanaugh letter of a few years ago, where he was like, hold on now, like this is actually fucked and like anti American and kind of every other sense. That's what I don't get about the NCAA though, with Nil specifically, is I feel like from day one they should have embraced it because they could have held onto that TV money for longer, right because like, all of a sudden, people aren't clamoring as much now. It will change, like you said, And it was funny to watch Harball launch these balloons as he's doing battle with the NCNA, like WHOA, well, fuck you guys. I'm probably out of here anyway, Like you better pay the players the TV money, uh right, but like they could have gotten away with longer for being like, oh the players are being paid now. Look well while they're still hoarding all of their smag TV cash over there on the side.

And ultimately, if you want to know what's gonna fix the portal, right, and the portal is it's a mess. We don't know who's gonna show up. It's like it is real nineteen twenties hours when it comes to how we make and rosters right now, because if you know George Gipp and body room, No, George Gipp, that's right, like Notre Dame alleged creaz win one for the win, one for the gipper. Okay, amazing, like legit, amazing athlete, legendary player of his time. George Gipp. He was at Notre Dame. It didn't have to be at Notre Dame. You know why they kept him there because they paid him this in the twenties, did he attend class, No, not even close. He spent most of his time at pool halls in South Bend, where, by the way, he made a tidy living hustling other people because he was a very good pool player. Yeah, I love old school football player. Yeah, but we're not far off from that. In terms of keeping people on campus, it's very very tentative right now what you're going to get, and there are people who even the people who are pretty good at it right now are complaining, like Lane Kiffin. Lang Kiffen is doing an amazing job because every single year, Lane Kiffen rolls up in the portal, throws a bunch of dudes out on the field and gets them all in the same page, all on the same page. It's pretty extraordinary because Ole Miss doesn't have the kind of gravity that say an Alabama or an LSU even have to hold players there because you'll get in the league. We'll get you in the league. Stay here, we'll get your nil at least good enough to where we can get two years out of you or get three years out of you. The great hope for college football right now is that, unlike basketball, you can't just enter the league right out of high school. That's it, right, We still have the three year rule. We still have the three year rule.

And ultimately, if you want to know what's gonna fix the portal, right, and the portal is it's a mess. We don't know who's gonna show up. It's like it is real nineteen twenties hours when it comes to how we make and rosters right now, because if you know George Gipp and body room, No, George Gipp, that's right, like Notre Dame alleged creaz win one for the win, one for the gipper. Okay, amazing, like legit, amazing athlete, legendary player of his time. George Gipp. He was at Notre Dame. It didn't have to be at Notre Dame. You know why they kept him there because they paid him this in the twenties, did he attend class, No, not even close. He spent most of his time at pool halls in South Bend, where, by the way, he made a tidy living hustling other people because he was a very good pool player. Yeah, I love old school football player. Yeah, but we're not far off from that. In terms of keeping people on campus, it's very very tentative right now what you're going to get, and there are people who even the people who are pretty good at it right now are complaining, like Lane Kiffin. Lang Kiffen is doing an amazing job because every single year, Lane Kiffen rolls up in the portal, throws a bunch of dudes out on the field and gets them all in the same page, all on the same page. It's pretty extraordinary because Ole Miss doesn't have the kind of gravity that say an Alabama or an LSU even have to hold players there because you'll get in the league. We'll get you in the league. Stay here, we'll get your nil at least good enough to where we can get two years out of you or get three years out of you. The great hope for college football right now is that, unlike basketball, you can't just enter the league right out of high school. That's it, right, We still have the three year rule. We still have the three year rule.

I'm a college baseball fan, and that's like one of the best parts as well, is when you get a guy like, Okay, we at least have them for three.

I'm a college baseball fan, and that's like one of the best parts as well, is when you get a guy like, Okay, we at least have them for three.

Yeah, and we at least have them for three. So if you have them for three, we at least have a window here where you'll be in the sport. You'll be in the sport, and if we can get something like a contract down, we can solidify our rosters. And it proved development. By the way, this is something that like the NFL can't really affect policy on this side too much, but the certainly wants that because I think developmentally, a lot of what you're seeing the game become in the pros is the result of what the shortcomings of player development at the college level. And when I say shortcomings, by the way, I just mean time and development. It just takes you don't get the consistent coaching, and you don't get the consistent improvement over time that you get because people get antsy, people get in the portal. The systems that we now have are there's definitely more microwave offenses and defenses right, definitely more like, Okay, we're not going to ask you to do as much. Your technique won't be as developed because we don't have time to do that. As a coach, I don't have time to do that, both because I'm constantly recruiting and re recruiting players and trying to teach you how to do eighteen million different things as a position coach. I can't do that anymore. So I'm just gonna like guys will come out, especially I think at the offensive line, like if you want to look at like a position that is I know, close to your heart, definitely close to mine in terms of like some of my favorite people on the field and guys who I think are emblematic of what the best part of football are. I think they get shortened in terms of development time and growth curve and potential because they come into the league and they don't know how to do a whole lot of stuff. They're going to be successful more and more. College football is like a law degree. You can go get it. It doesn't mean you know how to practice law at all.

Yeah, and we at least have them for three. So if you have them for three, we at least have a window here where you'll be in the sport. You'll be in the sport, and if we can get something like a contract down, we can solidify our rosters. And it proved development. By the way, this is something that like the NFL can't really affect policy on this side too much, but the certainly wants that because I think developmentally, a lot of what you're seeing the game become in the pros is the result of what the shortcomings of player development at the college level. And when I say shortcomings, by the way, I just mean time and development. It just takes you don't get the consistent coaching, and you don't get the consistent improvement over time that you get because people get antsy, people get in the portal. The systems that we now have are there's definitely more microwave offenses and defenses right, definitely more like, Okay, we're not going to ask you to do as much. Your technique won't be as developed because we don't have time to do that. As a coach, I don't have time to do that, both because I'm constantly recruiting and re recruiting players and trying to teach you how to do eighteen million different things as a position coach. I can't do that anymore. So I'm just gonna like guys will come out, especially I think at the offensive line, like if you want to look at like a position that is I know, close to your heart, definitely close to mine in terms of like some of my favorite people on the field and guys who I think are emblematic of what the best part of football are. I think they get shortened in terms of development time and growth curve and potential because they come into the league and they don't know how to do a whole lot of stuff. They're going to be successful more and more. College football is like a law degree. You can go get it. It doesn't mean you know how to practice law at all.

Well, and if with o line specifically, you're kind of hit with the the the double blow of like you said, maybe you've played in like an air Raider spread cell offense, you're right like like you've never been a three point stance. The quarterbacks always getting the ball out of his hands, you're not having a whole pass blocks. But then you also go to the league and you don't have that many padded practices, so you kind of like like you can kind of only really get your reps on game day, which becomes kind of insane, and it means that only the best players are able to stick around long enough to become these greats.

Well, and if with o line specifically, you're kind of hit with the the the double blow of like you said, maybe you've played in like an air Raider spread cell offense, you're right like like you've never been a three point stance. The quarterbacks always getting the ball out of his hands, you're not having a whole pass blocks. But then you also go to the league and you don't have that many padded practices, so you kind of like like you can kind of only really get your reps on game day, which becomes kind of insane, and it means that only the best players are able to stick around long enough to become these greats.

It is.

It is.

It's fucking tough out there for the old live. It's why I really you love, like, oh why am I blanking?

It's fucking tough out there for the old live. It's why I really you love, like, oh why am I blanking?

Is it?

Is it?

Is it Charles Bentley who runs the O line like he has an on line kempnything down in Florida. But it's like become the summit that they all go to and gather and try to figure out how to train in this new modern age. But no, you're absolutely right, that's one of the toughest transitional positions.

Is it Charles Bentley who runs the O line like he has an on line kempnything down in Florida. But it's like become the summit that they all go to and gather and try to figure out how to train in this new modern age. But no, you're absolutely right, that's one of the toughest transitional positions.

It is, And I think too with foot with quarterbacks. If that's the way offensive linemen are and if we're putting our best athletes along the defensive line, right then what you're gonna see is a game that's keyed to that. You're going to see a game that that works with that and doesn't insist well or well we should do it this way and we should know. No, I'm just gonna go with what you give me because that's the shortest path I have between keeping my job and thriving, right, like I can yump, that's the shortest path to win. That's an interesting comment, like from the gallery here talking about athletes as like independent contractors. I did the rest being independent contractors, which is what they are, by.

It is, And I think too with foot with quarterbacks. If that's the way offensive linemen are and if we're putting our best athletes along the defensive line, right then what you're gonna see is a game that's keyed to that. You're going to see a game that that works with that and doesn't insist well or well we should do it this way and we should know. No, I'm just gonna go with what you give me because that's the shortest path I have between keeping my job and thriving, right, like I can yump, that's the shortest path to win. That's an interesting comment, like from the gallery here talking about athletes as like independent contractors. I did the rest being independent contractors, which is what they are, by.

The way, Like really still even now.

The way, Like really still even now.

With a WWE, I'm pretty sure that's still the deal, right, I can't speak to awn't feel bad, But.

With a WWE, I'm pretty sure that's still the deal, right, I can't speak to awn't feel bad, But.

Like sometimes with WW and vinchc Man, I'm like, like, I I've never thought about anything couge. Well, no, it's like it's like I feel like, if that's how they do it, it's.

Like sometimes with WW and vinchc Man, I'm like, like, I I've never thought about anything couge. Well, no, it's like it's like I feel like, if that's how they do it, it's.

Probably not that good.

Probably not that good.

Like it's probably not friendly for the people themselves, but maybe it is. I don't know.

Like it's probably not friendly for the people themselves, but maybe it is. I don't know.

Well, I mean, it's this is the thing. It's it's very much like the rest of capitalism. At the highest level, it's the best possible arrangement. Right at the highest level, it's the best possible arrangement. Mid to low, it's pretty bad. It's pretty you're gonna be scrapping, right. It was very interesting. I did a thing on aw on aw on Luca Underground, Uh, Luca Underground. They it was a if you don't know, Liuch Underground was on l Ray. It was a wrestling program, but kind of a soap opera as well. Yeah, it had a bunch of wrestlers, and the wrestlers were, for the first time in their lives also actors, which meant that they received all of the standard stuff you get as an actor, right as part of like you get your SAG card, your Screen Actors Guild card. And the first thing I was talking to the wrestlers about a lot of different things, and about wrestling and about their lives and the story of Looke Underground, what it was like working in the fans. But the one thing that they all mentioned, they were like, oh god, we have a we have a training table, we have we get there's a there's a doctor on set. Right, they never had that, They never had that, right.

Well, I mean, it's this is the thing. It's it's very much like the rest of capitalism. At the highest level, it's the best possible arrangement. Right at the highest level, it's the best possible arrangement. Mid to low, it's pretty bad. It's pretty you're gonna be scrapping, right. It was very interesting. I did a thing on aw on aw on Luca Underground, Uh, Luca Underground. They it was a if you don't know, Liuch Underground was on l Ray. It was a wrestling program, but kind of a soap opera as well. Yeah, it had a bunch of wrestlers, and the wrestlers were, for the first time in their lives also actors, which meant that they received all of the standard stuff you get as an actor, right as part of like you get your SAG card, your Screen Actors Guild card. And the first thing I was talking to the wrestlers about a lot of different things, and about wrestling and about their lives and the story of Looke Underground, what it was like working in the fans. But the one thing that they all mentioned, they were like, oh god, we have a we have a training table, we have we get there's a there's a doctor on set. Right, they never had that, They never had that, right.

Yeah, they'd be treated like modern employees, right, they were being treated they were being treated basically like would you like to bring a doctor?

Yeah, they'd be treated like modern employees, right, they were being treated they were being treated basically like would you like to bring a doctor?

Like they were being treated like old F one drivers, like back in the day, that's how F one drivers are treated. Like in the sixties and seventies, they didn't have a doctor on track. Well, they didn't have an ambulance on track. Yeah, like if you do. You know what Jackie Stewart's entire sat safety protocol was when he started, I'm getting way off track here, but I promise this is a good payoff. Jackie Stewart's entire safety protocol, and it was the first one that anyone can remember, was he taped a wrench to his wheel so that when he went off track and he ended up into like a chicken coop, he could take the wrench off the wheel, undo the wheel, and get out before he burned to death. That was right.

Like they were being treated like old F one drivers, like back in the day, that's how F one drivers are treated. Like in the sixties and seventies, they didn't have a doctor on track. Well, they didn't have an ambulance on track. Yeah, like if you do. You know what Jackie Stewart's entire sat safety protocol was when he started, I'm getting way off track here, but I promise this is a good payoff. Jackie Stewart's entire safety protocol, and it was the first one that anyone can remember, was he taped a wrench to his wheel so that when he went off track and he ended up into like a chicken coop, he could take the wrench off the wheel, undo the wheel, and get out before he burned to death. That was right.

So it was full ivan drago like if we die, we die. If we die, we die, right.

So it was full ivan drago like if we die, we die. If we die, we die, right.

Like, this is when I go back and say, like, I prefer to have some perspective because people will say sport's an absolute mess. I don't disagree that parts of it are a mess. But when you look at sport overall from a historical framework, there's been improvement. Yeah. The change, the changes that happened from like nineteen fifty to two thousand way bigger than the obstacles we're facing here. I think we're I think we're good. I think we can handle it. I'm up. I can't believe I'm saying this because I'm traditionally a pessimist. I am optimistic that people can figure out how to make this work. Are we going to lose some stuff? I guarantee you, by the way, we'll lose some stuff. Things will change, like and I think there's gonna be an interesting thing that's gonna happen here. And I'll stop talking after this, but I think there's gonna be something that happens here that's going to be quite interesting. I think the second division of college football is in a good spot. I think there's real potential because I think you're gonna get these kind of mega league super leagues whatever. You'll get the Big ten in the SEC, just you know, eliminating other conferences wholesale. That's already happened, yeah, in the you know, rip to the Pac twelve. But I think you'll get a very manageable and interesting game at the second and even at the third level, right, which kind of already exists but is sometimes unfairly pitted against the other in these like pay per play games or even within conferences, right, like there's certainly some conferences right now where you look at the bottom and you look at the top, and you say, what are you doing in the same lead. You're not even you don't even have the same ambitions. Yeah, right, yes, yes, right, And I think something interesting can happen there. It won't be as profitable, but I think it could be pretty cool.

Like, this is when I go back and say, like, I prefer to have some perspective because people will say sport's an absolute mess. I don't disagree that parts of it are a mess. But when you look at sport overall from a historical framework, there's been improvement. Yeah. The change, the changes that happened from like nineteen fifty to two thousand way bigger than the obstacles we're facing here. I think we're I think we're good. I think we can handle it. I'm up. I can't believe I'm saying this because I'm traditionally a pessimist. I am optimistic that people can figure out how to make this work. Are we going to lose some stuff? I guarantee you, by the way, we'll lose some stuff. Things will change, like and I think there's gonna be an interesting thing that's gonna happen here. And I'll stop talking after this, but I think there's gonna be something that happens here that's going to be quite interesting. I think the second division of college football is in a good spot. I think there's real potential because I think you're gonna get these kind of mega league super leagues whatever. You'll get the Big ten in the SEC, just you know, eliminating other conferences wholesale. That's already happened, yeah, in the you know, rip to the Pac twelve. But I think you'll get a very manageable and interesting game at the second and even at the third level, right, which kind of already exists but is sometimes unfairly pitted against the other in these like pay per play games or even within conferences, right, like there's certainly some conferences right now where you look at the bottom and you look at the top, and you say, what are you doing in the same lead. You're not even you don't even have the same ambitions. Yeah, right, yes, yes, right, And I think something interesting can happen there. It won't be as profitable, but I think it could be pretty cool.

Well, I feel like you're already seeing the early signs of that. And I go back to bowl season, where everybody wants to complain about how nobody cares about these bulls. No, no, the only people that don't care about the bulls are the two teams are the teams that are in the two New Year six balls that are in playoffs, like if you go watch the fucking the Cheese Its Bowl, or like the Pop Tarts Bowl, which was awesome because of the absurdity of sacrificeing the pop part and they did it so perfectly. I was very pleased with that that although that came out, but like that was a hard fought, give a fuck game between Kansas State and mc State, Like they were bad on they were both fighting for ten wins.

Well, I feel like you're already seeing the early signs of that. And I go back to bowl season, where everybody wants to complain about how nobody cares about these bulls. No, no, the only people that don't care about the bulls are the two teams are the teams that are in the two New Year six balls that are in playoffs, like if you go watch the fucking the Cheese Its Bowl, or like the Pop Tarts Bowl, which was awesome because of the absurdity of sacrificeing the pop part and they did it so perfectly. I was very pleased with that that although that came out, but like that was a hard fought, give a fuck game between Kansas State and mc State, Like they were bad on they were both fighting for ten wins.

And I don't know if Kansas State and MC State make it to.

And I don't know if Kansas State and MC State make it to.

A football premier league if you will, But like, I'll watch that, and it's why I like the Big Twelve.

A football premier league if you will, But like, I'll watch that, and it's why I like the Big Twelve.

Yeah, the Big Twelve may not be on the.

Yeah, the Big Twelve may not be on the.

Level those other conferences, but everybody's close to each other and so it's incredibly competitive top to bottom, meaning you're gonna get exciting games every single week.

Level those other conferences, but everybody's close to each other and so it's incredibly competitive top to bottom, meaning you're gonna get exciting games every single week.

Yeah. And and you know who else cares? Wake Forest cares? Man. Go look at wake forest ball record over the last decade under Dave Clauset, they've been awesome. I think they have a really well I think they have five ball wins like in that same time span. U n C. They're they're mate in state. UNC's got one. You know who doesn't care about balls? You and C doesn't care about balls? Wake Forest. Wake Forest is gonna knock up for a ball. They're going to take your blow because I think it root like and you played, you know there's way better than I do. You just want to fight, That's what that's for. You're like like this, if you know, if I had the helmet, you're just there. You're just there to knock.

Yeah. And and you know who else cares? Wake Forest cares? Man. Go look at wake forest ball record over the last decade under Dave Clauset, they've been awesome. I think they have a really well I think they have five ball wins like in that same time span. U n C. They're they're mate in state. UNC's got one. You know who doesn't care about balls? You and C doesn't care about balls? Wake Forest. Wake Forest is gonna knock up for a ball. They're going to take your blow because I think it root like and you played, you know there's way better than I do. You just want to fight, That's what that's for. You're like like this, if you know, if I had the helmet, you're just there. You're just there to knock.

Right well, And and balls are like a fascinating way of So my second yar L'SU first year we won a Natty, right, and so I saw it from from the mountaintop. Next year we went eight and five, three and five in the SEC. It was like, Uh, if you did that nowadays, it'd be fucking melt hard in Baton Rouge. I think it was kind of chill back now. I don't exactly know how, but I'll never forget that bowl game. We played Georgia Tech and the Peach Bowl, and it was such a nice way to end the season. Now, if you lost, then it's gonna kind of maybe just reinforce all the bad feelings. But we go out and we win that game, and it almost felt like a championship of sorts, like you got to send your friends, your seniors out on top, and it it meant something to kind of salvaging what was otherwise a pretty brutally unenjoyable year in a lot of ways. And so yeah, and football's weird in that it's not actually fun except for game day. And so if you're gonna tell me, we get another chance to play games and not just practice, like, hell, yeah, I'm in.

Right well, And and balls are like a fascinating way of So my second yar L'SU first year we won a Natty, right, and so I saw it from from the mountaintop. Next year we went eight and five, three and five in the SEC. It was like, Uh, if you did that nowadays, it'd be fucking melt hard in Baton Rouge. I think it was kind of chill back now. I don't exactly know how, but I'll never forget that bowl game. We played Georgia Tech and the Peach Bowl, and it was such a nice way to end the season. Now, if you lost, then it's gonna kind of maybe just reinforce all the bad feelings. But we go out and we win that game, and it almost felt like a championship of sorts, like you got to send your friends, your seniors out on top, and it it meant something to kind of salvaging what was otherwise a pretty brutally unenjoyable year in a lot of ways. And so yeah, and football's weird in that it's not actually fun except for game day. And so if you're gonna tell me, we get another chance to play games and not just practice, like, hell, yeah, I'm in.

No matter what. The last time the Miami when a bowl game was in twenty sixteen. The Russell Athletic Bowl. They beat West Virginia thirty one fourteen.

No matter what. The last time the Miami when a bowl game was in twenty sixteen. The Russell Athletic Bowl. They beat West Virginia thirty one fourteen.

I am not a I call him Mario Christoph Fraud. I don't know. I'm not a crystal ball believer. I think he's got a career head coaching record of like seventy four and seventy three.

I am not a I call him Mario Christoph Fraud. I don't know. I'm not a crystal ball believer. I think he's got a career head coaching record of like seventy four and seventy three.

It can recruit you want to you want. Like when I don't know what to make of somebody, and when I don't really want to have that conversation about somebody, I just find the one thing I know about them, and I'll repeat it over and over again, right, like when you don't want to have that Like, it's very hard to talk about Taylor Swift on the internet if you're not a swifty Yeah, if you're not a misogynist, right, I'm in the third category of not my thing. But she supports a lot of things. So what I always do is, I'm like, Taylor Swift does a lot of good and she generally is on the side of the angels.