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Snaps - Cole Cubelic on Nick Saban HATING transfer portal & NIL + Auburn preview

Published Mar 14, 2024, 9:30 PM

Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert are joined by Cole Cubelic to discuss Nick Saban revealing why he retired. It is being reported that Nick Saban HATED the new era of college football with the transfer portal and NIL ruling the sport. Cole discusses how college football had passed Nick Saban by, and the direction of the Alabama program with Kalen DeBoer. Cole then previews some of the best teams in the SEC as they head into spring practices. Can Auburn take that big next step with another year under Hugh Freeze?

01:30 - Introduction

04:45 - Nick Saban on NIL

18:00 - College football becoming too professional?

27:00 - College football headed for a golden era or dark times?

36:30 - Could more coaches leave?

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My mom was very happy when uh that Senior Bowl video. She thought it was very funny and she she commented on it on Instagram.

And you only said the F word once.

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I want to say, I was really happy when she learned that you were working with me, T Bob, That's what I thought you Relax.

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I hope you're all having a great day to day. All right, Nick Sabans, we didn't do a show yesterday, so we're actually a bit late to this one here, right, But Nick Sabans at Capitol Hill, he's speaking with Congress and PG.

Let's go ahead and roll.

Sabans comments all the things that I believed in for all these years. Fifty years of coaching no longer exist in college athletics, So it's always about developing players. It was always about helping people maybe more successful in life. My wife even said to me, we'd have all the recruits over on Sunday with their parents for breakfast, and she would always meet with the mothers and talk about how she was going to help and impact their sons and how they would be well taken care of. And she came to me, you know, like right before I retired, and said, why are we doing this? And I said, what do you mean? She said, all they care about is how much you're gonna pay him. They don't care about how you're gonna develop them, which is all what we've always done, So why are we doing this?

Okay, So obviously those comments you hear something like that, and you know the stories about how much money Nick Saban's made. You know about his twenty million dollars house in Jupiter, you know about the dealerships that he has, And I think the instinct is to yell hypocrite, and there's some legitimacy there, like I get where people are coming from. I don't actually fall on that side of the equation, and it's really just because it's too simple.

Reasons.

First, Nick's never actually said that it's wrong for players to say, what are you gonna pay me? He's just said that it's not for him, And I don't think that's hard to understand. I mean, he is a guy who lived fifty years of doing it one way, So forgive him if all of a sudden he like doesn't just want to go to this new way. He's like, he's not saying it's wrong, he's just saying, you know what, it's not for me. And I kind of wash my hands of it and I'm out for now.

What was your reac actually, I think.

First off, I think a couple of things can all be right at the same time here, and we all want to just say it has to be this way and that's.

The only way. And unfortunately in.

College sports, that's our biggest problem is we refuse to meet in the middle. You know, kids want to transfer and go to other schools, and the NCAA says, okay, cool, burger king, have it your way right away, do whatever you want. We can't find a way to do a one time or a two time transfer rule. It's like, hey, if graduates can transfer, why can't I play at seven different schools?

All right, cool? Have that it go for it. You want an il, Let's open that door a little bit.

Okay, just come up with a whole entity that collects money and gives it to kids for no reason to come play football there like it's it's coach Saban has said this multiple times, like Bryce Young had a Nissan deal.

He also said the other day the most.

Interesting thing that he said was Bryce Young had a Nissan deal and a BMW deal.

Which how you get that? I want to know, because that is that's.

Big time when you can have two automobile induities going up against.

Okay, cal see Aaron doesn't get that. That is get like the real local. I think that we know how, we know how testing these guys get deal.

You may get the automatic Nissan deal through the Heisman.

Oh there's a reason why Joe Burrow's not in the Heisman house, and it's because he is a separate car deal.

Let's go. He can't get in that thing.

Listen, is somebody who's on a somebody who is on a morning radio show with dueling dealerships that represent the same company. Uh, I know fully how these headaches operate. Okay, and it can get like like T Bob said, it can get ugly in a hurry.

Yeah. Nonetheless, you just stay out of a crypto ara and over there. Okay, this is what the working man has to deal with.

Saman has said that he believes that the what we refer to mostly as nil should be distributed amongst the players.

So if your collective has what at.

Eight million dollars, divide that amongst the eighty five they get that per year. And then when you go get your Gatorade deal or your Royal Buick GMC deal, or you get your place at your barbecue joint down the street, that's your nil money. So I think he thought that's what it was going to be, and he was going to be for that, and actually was going to say, hey, let's help create value. So you can go get a rowback deal, and that's gonna be great for everyone, because our recruits are going to see we have companies abcd F and G you're gonna have access to.

Some of that too.

That's what the sergeant at Arms or whatever for Ohio State said a couple months ago when he's like, we're not giving one of these high school kids anymore, but we're showing them the deals that our guys have in place. I agree with T Bob, it's just so different than what he came up with. I will never be the guy that sits here and says, look how much coach a made. Players should get that too, or coach can leave? Why can't player leave? Those are two totally different things. Did Saban get twenty million a year or ten million.

Years first year coaching?

No, he's probably ga and just had a free place to stay and got to go eat at the cafeteria.

So yeah, it's just very different.

Like the qualifications to be a college football head coach are not the same as being a freshman college football player.

US four all know that we've been through it.

At least one side of that, we hadn't been coaching, so we know the qualifications of what it takes. So I just think that he thinks it's mismanaged and it frustrates him. And when he had looks think how close they were to a national championship. Yeah, now they might not have won the championship game if they get in, but they're inside the five with an opportunity to go play for a national title, And next thing you know, he's got half those kids coming into him saying, how much are you gonna pay me?

Are you sure I'm gonna play? How much am I gonna play? First string? Second string? Are we gonna rotate? Are we changing our defense? Whatever?

And he's probably there thinking, hold on, like everything is in line to do what we set out to do, Yet you're telling me you're not in. He takes that as you're not in if you're coming in looking for more money or more playing time, he doesn't think you're invested.

So I think that's where the majority of his frustration comes from.

So you obviously are you tabos that you're in the meetings with these coaches week in and week out. If you had to rank of we need to fix this in college football based on you and your conversations, is it more nil focus or is it more transfer portal focus?

Like what is the bigger demon of the two.

I think it's still portal because I think I think portal in acts what we reference. Again, it's not really in I L, but we'll keep calling it that. Portal in acts in I L to become a bigger part than what it is or could be, because a lot of a lot of the reasons guys are going into the.

Portal is to see what their market value is.

Yeah, sure, the of them not saying it's wrong to do it, but again, you're allowing guys to enter free agency, not just every year, keep in mind, multiple times a year if they want to. And I know for a fact because I was on one of the games that a young man almost didn't play because he was attempting to renegotiate his NIL deal in the middle of the season, and I've had other people tell me that they had to.

I mean, what but but but what do we but why? Why do why do I care?

I mean, this is this is just the free mark kid at play here.

Like, Yeah, we might have been naive and trying to convince ourselves that NIL was going to be about earned advertising opportunities, but the market has quickly shown that fuck no, we'll pay kids to come play here. I mean, there's nothing more bipartisan on a state political level than deals that makes it easier to pay high school players. It's the most bipartisan coordination I've ever seen, and it's every state. It's Miszoo, it's Louisiana, it's Florida. Like the market is clearly telling you something. And honestly, now now I feel you, like I can also empathize with being a coach in this situation, feeling frustrated, feeling deeply overwhelmed, feeling like the football means lesson ever has because it does.

You're more of a CEO now than anything.

So I'm not sling a team tea, Bob, You're not. I mean, this is not a collection of mercenaries like you so trying to build a team, trying and a lot of these things are working against it.

So oh yes, well no, but but that's what I'm saying. But this is still just a free market at play, and if you want to fix it, you have to break off. You have to collectively bargain, you have to form some sort of union. You have to engage in the exact same thing that the NFL has done, and you have to give them TV revenue. Like you're not going to be able to just take that collective money and say that's what we're gonna pay the players for and we'll keep all the TV money. No, You're going to have to, like if you want to stop the portal. The only way to do that is to form a CBA, which, again, and I'm not a lawyer, I don't know how Like I don't know all the legal ins and outsiers, right, but that that's going to require giving them some of the TV revenue money and then as a union as a group, the players agreeing, okay, you know what, will agree to a one time transfer and a graduate transfer if we get fifty percent of the TV revenue split equally.

But in my opinion, that doesn't even.

Touch a ail. How do you change payer play If I have a successful business and I want to give a five star recruit a million dollars for two tweets? Like, can't I do that?

No matter what?

Yeah, but I would say at least if even if they're getting that TV revenue money.

But at least at that point it's acting as real in IL ye getting something in exchange where a lot of this that we're calling in I L it's just hey, you're here, thanks, you're part of the you're part of the program.

Here's your monthly check. Wait, so are guys are guys not? Like at least I mean at LSU can tell me how many guys you see this and that there are just not a ton of it out there now, and it's it's pretty it's pretty prominent. So that's all I get.

These guys are on salary through the collective.

That's all it is. You are.

You are on a set salary that that the money flows through the collective to these players, and they negotiate a deal to the collective.

That's all.

Here's the deal.

Here's the deal. Here's the deal. I still don't ever understand how you're going to stop that legally, I do.

You can slow it down a little bit, though, I think that it's it's it's it's it's hype. Right now, we're talking about collectives coming together for fifteen plus million dollar deals at each university.

Good fuck it. Pay the kid is saying that.

Number should go down if I'm probably doing it.

Don't think I wanted to make five hundred caves college. Do you how much better my life would be right now? I mean, I said, might not have a life right now if you had five hundred K. Say about myself, that's a.

Clean bear, that's a blete bear goal.

I agree, But it goes back to some of the things you said, T Bob, you have to find guardrails, parameters, fences, borders, whatever you want to call it, and collectively bargaining that would take a big step towards that.

If you weren't able to leave via the portal, a large majority.

Of the enticement goes away, and a lot of the enticement comes from Oh, that kid was a two and a half star. He just caught eighty six balls for thirteen hundred yards and ten touchdowns and grew two inches his first year. We would like to have him here. This is what we can give. You had no intentions of leaving, but I've heard multiple stories about kids who quote have to leave, didn't want to. I had a coach inside Georgia Tech Facility tell me Jamior Gibbs was crying when he went to that coaching staff saying I'm going to go play in Alabama. He didn't want to do it, but he wanted. He wanted to chance to win a national title, and the money was that much different.

The American dream, though, you ball out and then get paid more. I mean I said it the other day, Brouh. You doubled my sally. Right now, I'll fucking put on a hound's tooth hat and go work at w jocks a day. You should be able to do that in the middle of one of your shows.

Uh, I mean yeah, you're saying saying, you know what, guys, I unfriendly.

I just crushed Hours one and two. I want more money? So Cole so core are you? Are you against?

Cause I know a lot of I know a lot of college football fans are like, we don't want to be the NFL. We want to stay away from the NFL. I'm in the feeling of it. It's moving in that direction. In the NFL is a very well run organization, one of the best out there, by far the best when.

It comes to sports.

Is it really that big of a problem to implement a lot of what they're doing into the college game, to get some of these guardrals in place.

I think it depends on your definition of problem. Aaron, are you do you just want to see good football? Do you just want to see the best teams play the best teams? Then no, it's probably not a problem at all. If you're like me and you still do believe in a lot of the fabric of college sports. Are the fans and are the fans interest, and the interest is because either geographically they were raised rooting for that team, or their grandparents went to school there and they went to school there, and their parents went to school there, And there's always going to be that rooting interest because you know, you've worn that tiger on the side of your helmet, or you've worn orange and blue your whole life, or you you know, you barked when the ball was kicked off the beginning of the game, like that's what you love and that's what you want to be. And then also, as Mark Drick famously said, and I'll always love this quote, there's enough to go around. So you can go place Southern and you can go play Akron and you can help float their entire athletic budget, which gives tons of opportunities to a ton of kids. I'm I'm pro opportunity. And I think the further we get down this path of employment and unionizing and all that, we're it's gonna be, like people don't realize it's gonna be half the programs are gone.

And I don't know if people don't want to.

Believe that or they think that's that's not real, but it is and it's going to happen, and that's what I don't want to see happen. You start getting down this path that people talking about, well, I don't even care if they go to school, just make them employees. What are we doing at that point? That's not college football anymore.

So there is a portion way down the road errand that starts to scare me.

And I think when you start talking about kids not even going to school but playing football somewhere, I do think that's when we listen. We've heard a lot of people threat and I'm not gonna watch that anymore. We can go back to the NFL a couple of years ago, and I mean I said it on the radio. The things that you would have to do to myself and my family to actually make me stop watching professional football I can't even share on these airwaves. And I'd still probably sneak and go watch it somehow. But I think that's when you would begin to really start to step into a dangerous area of people saying, you know what, I'm not into that anymore.

Cause let's be real, even if even if the product's great, even if the games are better, more competitive.

Like us, that's for us, right, We're football forgot.

And that's there because right now, accidentally, college football has entered into the NFL calendar where every single day, what.

Are we gonna do with the playoff? This kid's in the portal. This kid might go in the portal.

Hayes Foster's got a fucking graphic for a kid that's considering going into the portal. He might not even be in there. Every single day, we have things to talk about, realignment, how much is gonna cause Florida State to get out? You know what kind of money is now going to be entering into the college football space.

It is.

It's it's actually a better model than the NFL completely on accident, because we have so much to talk about every single day. So, yes, the popularity is spiking right now, so I think it can continue down that path.

I doubt it, probably not.

And then at what point in time is the middle of this sport that we love so much it's gonna get fed up and say, no, it's not worth two million dollars a year. We'll find something else and make our own playoff and go play somewhere else, And then what happens to it all?

Then?

I don't know, but I just I know that rooting for the underdog, people rooting for their schools, geographic prominence, conference relatability. Those are things that have been important to college football forever, and we're getting further and further away from it. Are some parts of it cooler, like I love the fact that Texas and Oklahoma are coming to the SEC. He's gonna make it incredible. But also that's probably gonna kill another conference. We just killed a conference had a ton of history, had national championships, had NFL players. We literally killed it, like we stabbed it and want to bleed to death. So we're going down the path of doing that to even more conferences now.

But here's the problem is that what really killed it, Like market trends killed it. Right, All of this is just like us naturally choosing whatever we want to say. This is us. This is natural selection through our eyeballs, through our wallets that we are making.

This all happen.

It's like that graphic that was making the rounds a few weeks ago about the viewership numbers. What was it like, well over fifty percent of viewership I think comes from like the top eighteen schools, thirteen schools something like that, and we're talking about massive viewership numbers, but already that's hyper concentrated. And I'm with you, Like, we sit here every Saturday and I put like eight games on these screens and I watch all of the college football that I can for like twelve hours straight, and so I love it. I love all the different levels of it, but at the highest level it the see let me tell you why people. Let me tell you why people talk about ratings. Okay, this is why people obsess about ratings. It's not for you.

It's not for Aaron, it's not for me. It's not for macelroy, it's not for Hester, it's not for Stinscom. It's not for those, it's not for us. Ratings are important for the people who may or may not watch something. That's why the Taylor Swift situation with the super Bowl was so intriguing, because whether that was a twenty million, fifty million, one hundred million person bump, a lot of those people were not going to watch that game, which I still't understand what people are watching if they're not watching the super Bowl. But there are those people out there, and if that can pull an extra fifteen thirty million people in, that's a huge deal.

It's not us. It's never going to affect us.

We're watching matchin on Tuesday night against two teams that are sub five hundred. We don't care. We will watch it. That where ratings are important. Are people who honestly in their brain have the capabilities to say, I'm not watching Michigan Ohio State this year because I really don't care that much about it.

That's why that's important.

And that's also why it's spiking right now because we're talking about it more than we ever have now. That might not all be positive conversations in certain people's eyes, but we are spiking because of that. Are you going to continue to get these spikes year in, year out, and are you going to continue to get the people on the fence actually watching this much college football?

I don't know the answer. I mean, I think the games are good. I think they will I mean they'll watch the big brands, right It's why you look at the highest rated games from every weekend, and it's the ones that evolve the biggest schools. Nobody's watching LSU Southern, which, as you said, fun Southern, and it's I I feel ruthless and cold hearted, but like.

Bro kind of disagree because it took us like two and a half hours to get back to a hotel three miles away after that game.

Oh No, Southern was like lu Southern at the game was lit. I mean, that's the bad Rooge classics.

That's fun, but.

It's just it's just uh. I again, I think because like you said, like rating, do you know who else cares about ratings? The people who sell the advertising, right because they make more money. And so why why are we joining together these brands at the big tim the sc to drive up ratings some more advertising every toy gets paid more of players gotta get paid out of it. So uh, I feel like we sit here and we him and we haul, but we are We're basically just dealing with the title wave. We're dealing with a natural a natural force that is beyond our control in a lot of ways.

So I want to ask this que I know, cotta leave in a couple minutes. Last one for me.

You've used the word peaking, and like this may be the top of the mountain for college football, Like are we truly there? Because I listen to other shows too, and like there's a lot of people in different opinions like you listen to Joel Cladding and it feels like we're at the dawna of the golden age of college football, as he always starts his podcast saying that.

Like, are we at the dawn of the golden age?

Or are we at the beginning of maybe not the complete crumble, but you know, some some possibly dark times for all this change going on, I.

Think there, like you said number one, Aaron, there we are headed down a path to where we're going to get such good football and such mammoth brands facing off the helmet. Games that will get over the next few years are going to be immaculate. So it's not just going to go away because of that. And then there's also people like us that are still going to be there. Like I said, with the NFL, it doesn't matter what you do to it. We're watching Auburn Georgia, we were watching LSU Florida. We just are because we love it and we want to see what it's going to be and how it's going to go.

I don't know.

And the reason that I say that is because there has been so much change in such a the fact that in let's look the just quickly look at the playoff. We have not played a regular season game in a season that entails a twelve team playoff. Yeah, we have already seen seven different proposals for a fourteen team playoff. Like, that's where we are as far as change evolution, U turns, directions, detours, exit rams like we have no idea. There is no GPS for where we are in college football right now. The thing was getting there to be rotating like it was.

That's it.

What's the solution? A dynamic seismic breakaway change. The only way you're going to get the leadership that everybody is looking for is when the event will breakaway happens right like it's gonna be the only there's just too many cooks in the kids you right now, everybody's trying to grab a piece, and there's no uh, there's no singular voice.

Kind of not right.

Here's the thing, T Bob. I'm sorry to interrupt to you.

I agree with what you're saying, but when you say it, you almost make it sound like we have to go down this path for the leadership, when let's be real, we're going down this path because of the greed. We're not going down this path to find better leadership. We're going down this path because people want more and the administrators, like we make fun of some of these athletes, like gimme, gimme, gimme more and more and more, like cost of attendance won enough and I l onn't enough. Now we want this and we want that, and we don't want to practice in full pads. The administrators are just as bad with this right now.

And what is the end of the road.

I don't know the answer to that question either, Like when do we just exhale and say this is college football that might not be in our lifetimes.

I have no idea what that's going to look like.

But let's also not pretend like we're heading down the path that we all know we're going down, so we can find good leadership now going down that path because this revenue wheel, let's just ruptly say a billion dollars right now, gives about twenty eighteen percent of that away to Notre Dame and sixty four other teams. And people will say, well, man, eighteen percent, thirteen percent, that's really not that much. Well, thirteen percent of a billions a freaking lot, a whole lot, and they're just gonna keep squeezing it and they're gonna squeeze it and squeeze it and squeeze it until it's zero. And those other teams say, guys, we don't have a choice. And then is it gonna be a you know, it's about leadership and lack of who's coming in for those guys.

It's gonna be a Mark Comman.

It's gonna be Jeff Bezos, Like, who's gonna come in and say we can help you do this and we think you can actually make money on it.

And it's gonna have some sustainability and you guys know.

Like I do, it'll be watchable. I mean, Liberty BOYC, James Madison, whatever.

Like it's what it's Troy. It's more than watchable.

It's just they have to get it to a place where it's realistic for long term sustainability, and I don't know what that is. My whole point was, let's not pretend like we're walking down this path of baby NFL, so we can have a better leader.

No wanderings on that path because we want more of our own money. So I want to be clear about what I was saying as well, I agree right, that's the natural and movable force that we're dealing with. I just think that since money is the driving force when people invest, what do they want? They want a very clear set of rules to understand how their investment's going to play out. Right, Like Louisiana has a Swiss cheese tax code that is full of hundreds of tax breaks, but no businesses want to be here because nobody can fucking make heads or tails of it. It's all over the place, like if you had less tax breaks. So maybe I'm not going to say, but it's clear and I understand exactly what I'm getting into. That drives more investment. Right, So it's like money's the driving force. Money wants to have clear rules with how to operate, which means and naturally leads towards the more singular leadership aspect of it. So again, I don't think that's the original motivation. I think it's a byproduct of money being the motivation. Yeah, I mean, I think you're right. I think you're accurate, And I don't know where the end is.

I don't know what we need to get to to make it all happen, but it sounds like it's gonna happen faster than a lot of us believe.

I mean, yeah, like you said, do the rate of change out of control?

Cole. Thank you so much, man, this is super fun. I know you're very busy. We're coming for you on that Bared sports media list, dude. So today we're you guys are going for fifteen thousand subscribers. I'm going for ten on Cube show. So come on subscribe to Q, Come on, subscribe to Q.

He just wants me to get fifteen side chug a beer on the show, So that's what that's what we're going for right now.

Also, me and me and Hester were talking about this morning and if we got in like a two v two fight. They said that me and you would, like one of us would have to die to quit. But that has should be able to take out, you know, Greg pretty quickly, and then you're gonna be dealing with two v one and that's gonna get a little hairy.

I know he's a quarterback, but I think Greg would be a little bit more difficult deal with.

And a lot of people believe you.

Were talking about that og fullback, one of the greatest fullbacks of all time here.

Oh really, I'm not picking.

I'm not picking Greg, just saying a little more difficult to deal with than some people they believe.

All right, so much, man, we've already kept you extra log. You have a great day. My friend appreciated.

Guys, we'll see it and you can fall him on everything. Act Cole Kubrick. Uh, he's the best fulk Cube show on YouTube. Goat like and subscribe. Boys. Again, I thought that was gonna be more about saving. But I mean, the saving thing I think is kind of cut dry, and I feel like we're all kind of in.

The same days.

The thing, I mean, it leads to no I know.

But what I'm saying is like nobody. It's like again, my reaction was not saving's a hypocrite, and I understand that side of the equation, like Levantar was on that. I mean, here you've made when he you know, you made one hundred million dollars off this this labor that you never to pay and then suddenly when the labor gets empowered and says I want mind, you're out. But again, Saban never said it was wrong, which avoids hypocrisy in my opinion, and all he said he never did he ever.

Say, like the way in which it's done for he just completely said, I'm I'm I'm out of this.

No, he just said he has just said it was not the original intention.

Yeah, and he has said multiple times though he has pressed with I'm not saying it's wrong, but this is how it is, and it's not for me how it is. And so that's why I like, if he was out there saying this is morally and abhorrently just incre well, that went out of a problem with him right now, I got, I got, I got, I got no.

Listen, we've seen multiple coaches in a variety of sports kind of just say that, like I don't this isn't worth it for me. And how we've seen head coaches move to being an offensive coordinator because of different a variety of changes in the college football landscape. Like it's just it's a lot and and and for a guy like he said, it's been doing for fifty years, you know, it's harder teaching old dog new tricks.

And we said that million times in the show.

Nick has been one of the best at actually adapting to anil to the transfer. He's he's dabbled in both, and I think he's been really successful in it, but doesn't mean you enjoyed. It doesn't mean you want to continue down that path. And for him, it just was not saying it was too much. But oh he's seventy two years old. That's a lot to freaking deal with.

Yeah, PG says, pain Players always been around the entire career. Wait here, he said, I don't think it's typ of critical. I think the energy is I'm taking my ball and going home. I mean there's definitely some of that pain Players has been around his entire career. Now that he's not the best at it and people compete with him, he wants out. I mean, if if I I I don't like, I'm not going to argue against that. If that's how you feel.

I think coaches are fed up with with having to sit down with the person that runs the collective and saying this kid came to me and wants to renegotiate their contract.

Yeah he's going to hit the transfer portal.

Yeah, but what does he do that The NFL, as the set rules, you signed a contract for three years.

But AFL I know, which is why not? I mean, stop thinking about it and make it happy, Like the market is the market. You can't change it just because you're unhappy or you think it's unfair.

You can't change it. We're changing everything. Why can't you change it.

I'm saying these coaches can't like I mean, then well okay, well then well then get it, get it done. But I'm saying in the short term, continually saying, this is not what nil was intended for. Uh, it just goes it just goes nowhere.

No, it does because it continues these conversations right now that hopefully lead to a change.

You can't just sit back and be quiet. You gotta wish your opinions.

And the Kirby Smarts, the Nick Savings of the world have the biggest microphone.

It comes to changing college football.

If Kirby's not happy and Nick's not happy, and Jim Harball is leaving to go to the NFL, there are people that are making a lot of money that are setting I've said this many times already too. The people that we need to worry about are not the players, but the coaches, because the coaches are the brands of these universities. If the coaches aren't happy and the coaches are leading, that is bad business.

Where are they going to go who else? Who else is gonna pass a million dollars the NFL?

Good or the thing? I want to.

Million, take a massive pay cut and go be an OC instead of a head coach.

I'll take a massive pay cut. Huh how massive do you think?

Uh?

How much money is Chip Kelly already paid?

And then four million dollars?

And then and how much money?

Four million dollars? Obviously chim Kelly doesn't he's made well, yeah, because he's already banked over one hundred mil. Like, what are we talking about? Dude? He got paid in the NFL, paid in college. You're you're just look, you're you're coming. I I FU that's I just vehemently disagree with this brain drain idea. Kirby, you want to go make fifteen MILLI in the NFL. Guess what, great, You're the outlier. There's thirty two NFL jobs. Okay, Are Georgia fans still gonna watch if the silver Fox? By the way, we got to talk about Kirby silver hair? But are Georgia fans still gonna watch if Kirby isn't in the league? I mean, if he's not if he's not at Georgia or are Bulldog fans is gonna stop watching? Are you gonna stop?

But they're not winning championships because they don't have the head man. That's less money going into the program.

That's a Georgia problem. Not a sport problem, but.

That's a Georgia problem. Once again, that is a Georgia problem.

Will always be a champion. So what I'm saying is miss me with this fucking red hairing like, well, the coaches look good down the coaches are gonna leave. No they're not. We're just their college coaches. They can't leave. They fucking can't leave. They no, they can't. What are you talking about? Where where NFL retired retire? Good's always gonna be someone to take your job. It's the ship quality, brother, it's the quality football, bro.

Yes it would.

The football is not going to go down if you get just the perfect example of.

What the quality of football was a decade ago to what the quality of football is today.

George is the perfect example of why removing Kirby would actually be more exciting for the quality because it would all feel way more wide open for it's Georgia. Yeah, not for the Georgia. That's why I said it's the Georgia problem. You're painting it as a sports problem. I'm paying as a Michigan problem to problem. What happens when.

Michigan falls off with that hardball this year? You think money's gonna be flown into an arbor the same way it was a year ago.

I don't give a fuck about Michigan. The ship of THESEUS rolls on are brand another you replaced? Okay, great and gris what? You know what? Maybe Nebraska takes their spot good? You know who? I don't hear bitching Matt Ruhle. You know what he's doing selling fucking corn based vodka for the boys.

Did you just counted a little guy?

I'm here.

I'm here to make sure the big boys, the big brands, which you brought up the stat of what teams get the most viewers viewership, those brands need to have success if we want college football to have success. The big brand cell.

And are they gonna what the fuck you talk? Are they gonna go away? Somebody's always gonna want to coach the Georgia pulltogs.

I'm just saying, I'm not gonna change my mind.

You're gonna change my mind.

I'm in the mindset of I need happy to coaches because I want Kirby and the Hardballs.

And these you feel threads, and all these you feel threaded because the school what you support is easily far and above the most dominant program right now. They're head and shoulders in front and looks like they have a throttle on the sport and like they should win multiple national championships. And yet you're scared that Kirby is gonna get fed up the same way that Hardball did, and Kirby's gonna leave, and then and then you're gonna be left and you're just gonna be normal old Georgia again. That scares you, and that's understandable. But don't paint it like a sport wide problem, because we would celebrate if Kirby left.

Every other school would.

Nobody's gonna be like, oh, the the quality of college football just went down because I don't have to play Georgia.

It's just like a possible Georgia problem because Kirby's the one you know out of here voicing his opinion about it. This isn't every university problem, not just because not every coach is out there voicing his thoughts about It doesn't mean that they're happy or or possibly looking for the way out.

I thought this was fucking America, okay, where we let the markets decide the invisible hand and all that you're out here playing your little mean coin markets every day. Maybe we should put a cap on that, Aaron, why don't we regulate that? Why should you be allowed to be? Could be? So they talked about it. You don't have years that are going to jack up these prices.

And buy f Hey, I just got in early. That's it, I got it.

Okay. All I'm saying is why the hell are you arguing against pay for play and these kids making money at the same time that you're fucking skimming crime? Fine with kids being played for what.

I just wanted to be organized. I just wanted to be somewhat organized.

That's it.

And yes, Scott hold Hodl baby no.

Kenny says it. BK was at Kirby's level speaking like that TV I would defended like Janoff. Bro BK said the same shit. All the coaches have said the same shit, and it ain't hard to understand why because it's really fucking tough. But you know what, I'm a local, goddamn radio man who's desperately trying to get a couple of shows are nude on the side so I can continue to support my fucking family. I'm sorry if I don't feel bad for these ten million dollar coaches. Okay, fucking deal with it. Everybody's job has tough elements that you don't like, and they get tougher sometimes. I don't care if you think that I'm upset about Lance heard leaving LSU and going to Tennessee because somebody wanted to pay him five hundred K and LSU didn't. I ain't fucking mad. That's the most understandable, natural and American thing you could possibly do. I got a bunch of socialists and a bunch of communists over here trying to tap the markets there. I want more. Look, if you argue for more control college football, I need you to the next sentence argue for more regulation in the crypto space. Hit web threw it's coming.

It's coming. I'm just gonna try to get paid before it comes next year.

Yeah, no, shit, it's coming. I don't know why people think governments around the world are just gonna let Web three develop under their nose and be like, yeah, let's just willingly give up the power and.

Control that we've amassed over the past couple hundred years. Huh, that was fun.

Just tell me when to sell my bitcoin. That's all will three weeks. Oh jeez yea cigarette.

That was fun.

It's gonna hit one fifty. Damn right, Scott, damn right.

Hoddle, hoddle. Look, here's the deal. Here's the deal. Brad Busch, Brian Kelly Quintin too good, dude, Bro, I love college football. I'm always gonna be here, you know, and we may suck? Did I? Did I stop watching?

When else?

You spent two years under five hundred a couple of years ago? Fuck? No, like like this is you?

This is you?

Are you?

Were different?

And Aaron the age? What of the ratings saying, what are the right? I don't give what the fuck y'all are getting out with those points either, because what of the ratings say? They keep going up? And you and else people like in terms of ratings, So they go they like going up, they like they like you. No, sports viewership absolutely can keep going up and does keep going up. Look at look at the NFL. Oh, there's no political now, nobody gave a fuck oh oh college football. It's so professionalized out we just set records for ratings.

And if you're if it is turning into this old professional league, like I'm fine with it turning more like the NFL. It's perfectly okay with me. Get rid of the fat cut the weak let the strongest survive.

I don't even know necessarily like it right Like, I think my opinion on whether I like it or not is kind of moot because some of it makes me very sad, and it does lose a lot of its unique kind of luster. I'm just saying this idea that people are going to get turned off because Kirby Smart left Georgia because he doesn't like pay for play is bullshit. People are going to watch more and more live program and the only live program we watch our sports. And you know why the NFL is so successful airin because you know the storylines. There's thirty two teams, you know the division rivalries, you know the.

Players where we don't know the players in college football right now anymore?

Do you? You will know the learn you have to relearn that.

You know what the more they shrink, you know why, because basketball you have all these great players that are one and done, and it's hard to fall in love because you love a player that he's gone. The next year college football, you get to see these guys go from a red shirt freshman to a senior to an All American.

You're never gonna You're never gonna know the college players. You're never gonna know the college players. You don't even know it now.

Yes you did, Yes you did.

Just because you don't know their faces because they were a helmet doesn't mean you don't know who they are and their stats from the previous year or the fact that they were a walk on two years ago at university.

You know, you you build a relationship with that player that's gone.

That is the top You noticed the top end of the NFL. You know, the top end of CFB that's gone nowhere. Uh what I'm getting at.

When I just lost a starting quarterback to Notre Dame, the amount of starters, Uh, Jamiir Gibbs went. You brought Jamier Gibbs went to Alabama. You are losing the top guys. That's completely false.

People still know about Jamier Gibbs. It's like a free agent signing. Did I fucking forget about Saquon Barkley when he signed with the Eagles the other day. Who's that guy?

Agatt Saquon? I can't, I don't know. I don't remember anymore. He switched teams.

No. My point is again, I'm not saying I think this is good or bad. I'm not jud it because it does kind of bum me out. But as we shrink that team pool and we enter the age of the Uber Conference and maybe the entire breakaway league, ratings are going to go up because it's less to keep track of. Right now, you're gonna watch sixty five Power five teams to try.

To know the NFL model.

Yeah, exactly, that's what. That's why you're telling me that what the ratings. Why are you telling me the ratings are gonna go down?

Then the ratings weren't good at but you're talking about it won't go down, they go to I'm trying to say, we need to get to this NFL model. We need to just rip the bandit off and say this is college football. And I'm fine with that. I think that is healthy. The college football is done. What college football is and what we grew up watching that is over.

Yeah, I mean, it's a bummer.

But yeah, it's done.

But going to NFL model does include a CBA regulating the money, where's the money going, paying the players directly having them be employees.

Uh, Malik Thomas says, you should ask yourself, is the current state of college football self sustainable? Where it is right now? T bopists fight the ratings. That's that's the point though, Like, I don't know. The market will decide that, right, But what the market people keep telling me that eventually these these boosters are gonna get fed up pay and why do they keep paying more and more? I mean, okay exactly, so, I mean, yes, eventually it has to stop. But like the market will make these decisions, I don't have to know whether it's sustainable or not. That's the invisible hand. The invisible hand will decide.

He needs to sell his bitcoin, Like I don't. If I knew the market, i'd be a rich man right now.

Who knows?

No, you know, I thought you were a rich man. Dude, what's up?

I'm not retch until I sell. I gotta sell.

Yeah, that's true, I think, and and uh broke any big great question t Bomp's answered, that's just it. I don't know, I mean, do you not understand what I'm saying there though I'm talking about Bo or anybody in the chat, Like, why do I have to know if the current model of college football is sustainable? We are talking about a marketplace that was literally just born two to three years ago, that shifts every single day, that has no hierarchical leadership, that seems to be breaking away from the organization that has controlled it for over one hundred years. And you want me, a general studies major, to give you an economic cost analysis of whether or not the model sustainable? Are you fucking high? I'm making the very simple point that the market drives all of this, and so you can get pissed off, but in a way, it's just monetary democracy and it's America, and that's all I'm saying. And again, even if you do this CBA thing, you can control the portal. Okay, you can do that, which by extension is Cole pointed out, which joannile some of an il. But you're never gonna be able to stop me from paying a kid to come to my school. You can't.

Before it happened, Now it will always happen. Yeah, there will always be away.

You you can't and and and and and I'm a firm believer what Brad Bush says here, we will never not watch Jesus college football in America. I'll just say football. We're obsessed. We're obsessed, and it's fun and it's awesome, and you want your team to be awesome, which means you know, investing in bitcoin, getting a big payday and then giving all of that money to your local collective. Or it's fine, dude, Yes, Stap's going.

And those in the chat right now, the one hundred people in the chats will be the first investors, will be at.

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So Jeff Zuliss, you gotta be realistic though it's not sustainable, so there must be rules implemented. Yeah. Look, look, I think rules will be implemented. I just kind of in a in a bummer sort of way. I think those rules are going to be the full breakoff the super League, a union and a CBA, which which whatever it has. I mean, that would be awesome. It has its positives and negatives. But will Dave's here basic misunderstandab unions to begin with. I mean that's look, that's also fair. I just I'm maybe maybe maybe I'm using union incorrectly. I just mean that the players are going to have have to be by some entity that can collectively bargain an agreement, uh with whatever the the ruling is it like the college football playoff? Do they become the leaders of the sport whatever that is. You're gonna have to like have somebody representing the players that all the players agree.

Okay, what they decide, we will, uh, we will go with. So if if I'm using union correctly, that's on me. Again.

This is all you know, it's all bit over my head. But I'm gonna watch I know, I can't believe we had one of these shows. This is kind of a fun show, But I also kind of hate talking about this stuff. Sometimes people think it's more about I don't know. I feel like maybe people enjoyed this.

I think we made it fun. Maybe we made it fun.

Greg says Team I.

If you gave a player a million to can play at LSU and then he transfers that you give them that million, you're gonna tell me you aren't gonna be pissed. Differai, I'm not gonna be personally pissed, right, You're pissed when your favorite player leads a free agency.

Like, I'm not talking about being personally pissed.

Yeah, but you're not.

You're not.

Financially you're not. You're not when you're player player goes in the fre agency. It's not like you're paying his salary. You are paying his already has that booster?

Well shit, I mean, I don't know, Saints Aron the I got thirteen million on the cap right now and dead money for Andrews Pete and he's about to be playing somewhere else. Also, you could just do it in this wild West time that we live in, Like Tennessee. Did where if you go, Uh, whatever inn al money you get, that's mine, So you ain't going nowhere.

I got the motherfucking golden handcuffs on.

You also pretty exploited it, right, which is maybe that would be maybe one of the benefits of a CV. Again, people, every money enjoys clear avenues with which to work, right. Uh, it's why. Actually it's why shit coins and stuff are more kin to gambling than anything else. And uh maybe not as like, uh you know, rigidly predictable as some of your more traditional safer investments over time, Hawk, what are we what are we pumping? Do some do some illegal do some illegal fire. I don't want to tell people, tell people what to f tell people what you know and what to buy so that you can sell it immediately.

Not happening, not happening on this show.

Off the show, we will we will discuss the ship coins that I am in right now, but not on the show.

All right, Look, we love you so much, by the way, guys, exciting news on my front. The other kid, I know I set up no, I mean the amount last night that I released. If if we get through this, I mean, there's no chance that I have the ability to get a woman pregnant anymore. But I mean, you want to talk about floodgates. It felt like it felt like my own nil laws were repealed last night.

In many ways.

Been building up, dude, anyway, I have obs, I think that's what it's called. Now set up on this computer, figuring out how to stream. I want to start doing some test dreams.

I don't.

I'll probably do them on like my personal channel because they don't want to fuck with our algorithm here. But this is all in.

Pursuit of getting the n C doua A streams ready to go.

I need to get going on that. Then come on, you teach me.

My my my best friend who lives in Georgia, who said my computer built it and did this for me, said he will come.

Over to your house. He lives right by you. Come over to your house.

I'm streaming the game when it comes out.

So let's go. Yeah yeah, and he'll get you set up with whatever.

You know, maybe you take some of them shit coin earnings and you buy yourself like a badass PC.

Yeah yeah, and it's a business expense. Let's go.

Yeah, there you go.

AKA, I turned it offers and came back to in the middle of whatever that was, I don't want to know.

Well, yeah, all right, well he look.

We love y'all so much. Thank you all for hanging out with us. It's super fun. I missed you, Aaron, glad to be back. I think off came went, well, we're gonna be previewing us a ton of spring football, reviewing a ton of spring football next week, so to get to you know, breakout players through twenty twenty five whatnot. We still have our mail bag, which I think we accidentally maybe missed this week because we went guests heavy. But you know, snaps CFB at gmail dot com is where you can get your questions in Hit the like bund subscribe. Please all road to fifteen K. Let's hit fifteen K. If we can YouTube dot coms that volume stapps and if you're listening on podcasts, rating, reviewing, Apple Spotify, those are very easy freeways which you can help the boys. So thank you, we love you, and thank you to PG and Chris Tran as always, and we hope you have an excellent weekend. The Volume

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