Calgary Audio. Hi Joe, Hi, Hi, what's going on with you? I'm tired, man, I'm tired of got in got in at three am last night from Hawaii. Um, took the kids and uh yeah, we got at The kids went on that I didn't know the kids went on that. Yeah, a little Memorial Day jaunt click one. Uh and it was fun. It was a good time. But I'm tired. We got into three am, get to the house at four you know, uh uh, Well, kids didn't go to school today because I did not want to wake up and on an hour of sleep and say, I mean, it would have been a disaster. So you know, we'll be lucky if they let us continue on at the school we're at because we've missed so many days of school. It's it's ludicrous, It's crazy. Do you know how many days I missed as a kid. My dad took me on road trip after road trip after road trip, and it wasn't just the summer. I missed so much school. And at some point, I know it's a different era. I know everybody's all worried about that stuff, but my god, cares you get that so much better than sitting in the classroom and and you're you're learning their with their family, they're learning about Hawaii, they're learning about different parts of the world when they're I don't know, I just think all that stuff so so overrated and ridiculous. Yeah. No, It's funny because I was with Sandler with Adam and Learn and uh, we have this exact conversation because his kids were there and you know, they had their friends and you know, they're in high school somewhere in high school, and uh he was He asked me, Goes, are you all nuts about college and getting your kids into the good college. He's like so many of these parents are just it's all about the college and working towards you know, what school you're gonna go to. And and I'm like, no, I'm just not. And he's the same way. He goes, I don't give a funk. He's like, as long as they're happy, you know, and and they're thriving, then whatever. You know in college these days, you know, you never want to tell children not to go to college. But I mean, what does it do. I'm as speaking as a dad who you know, pulled every string in the string book that he had to help both daughters get into schools um but ultimately they only earned their way in, but earned their way through and in the case of Trudy, graduated kum Lotti from USC. But that's all a preamble to say. I feel like it's also overrated, it's it's it's I don't want to say it's a scam because there are certain things that you can't like. I couldn't just be I don't feel like I could do somebody's taxes. It would take forever for me to learn how to understand the business world. But so I think you know, business school, certain trades, different things that you're trying to learn. Totally valid. You gotta go someplace, learn how to do it, learn the basics, and grow from there. But but most things like broadcasting what I do for a living, acting what you do for a living, or if there's music, whatever there might be, you have to get in and do it. And most of the time college has spent fucking off and going to parties and do whatever. I personally feel that the biggest benefit of going to college is learning how to be on your own and not being in that living with your mom and dad's roof and having some responsibility and beyond that. You don't learn until you get into the world and you get into the workforce, and you get into whatever it is you think you want to do, and you learn about it and grow and you figure out shortcuts and you understand ways to get things done that they probably couldn't teach you in college. So I I'm with you and whatever you and saml Are talked about. I mean, my daughter was roommates with Olivia Jade, with Massimo gi Newly, who's my our good friend, his daughter, and so she's seen We've seen all sides of this thing, and I just I feel like, at the end of the day, it's it's more on the side of it's just not worth the stress that's involved with any of it. It becomes a parents keeping up with the jones. As it becomes a parents competition to say, oh, well, we've raised these brilliant young people that are going to Yale at Brown and m i T at Harvard and USC or Indiana or Iowa or Arkansas. Who cares. It doesn't matter and it doesn't make you a better parent. It's but the parents care more than the kids. I honestly believe that, Yeah, yeah, and it's about what you do with it, you know. I think we just assumed that all of our kids are mature and ready to learn at the age of seventeen leaving high school. But we're all a little bit different. And I was definitely different. I wasn't ready to learn until I was a little bit late older, in my early twenties, mid twenties. That's when I had desires to know about the world, and I wanted to read, and I wanted to learn about history and how things work and why these things happened. But in college, I was not ready to do that. I mean, my mind was not there, you know. And some and some kids it's different. Some people come in ready prepared, ready to like take on the world old and fill their brains with you know, with with knowledge and and see what happens. I was not. I was not there, you know. I just wasn't I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready, you know. I mean, but I agree with you, it's more about the experience. It's more about living on your own. It's more about budgeting yourself, managing you know your time and and your finances, you know if you have them, and and all that ship that that's really what it was for me, you know. And some of the great minds, some of the pioneers, some of the sort of you know, game changers as far as mankind goes, didn't fucking go to college. Some of them barely graduated high school. You know. Yeah, I know, but their own I'm never would not education in any way. But this idea that you just go to college and you get a degree and boom, now you're set, you're good, You're good to enter the life the workforce, and that's just there's just no world, you know. I it's just so particular and specific to that person, you know. But yeah, so I don't know. We'll see what my kids wanted to hopefully they make it through high school. Yeah, but after high school then you you, I think you there should be a little time to reevaluate. And and when somebody wants to get into broadcasting, like they asked me little kids that I want to do play by play or whatever, it's like, you think you want to do that. I get it. It looks phenomenal, but you've got to get into the business and some end of it and try every piece of it and see maybe maybe that's not for you. Maybe that's not what your love is you think it is, but you get in and now you start writing articles for some online website or you are blog or you're doing call in shows or your you know, whatever it is. It there are a lot of different avenues in all these different businesses. But I I honestly believe and it's it's become more. Maybe it's just the little community I live in in St. Louis where you know, if you come to St. Louis, the running joke is you'll meet somebody and they'll go, oh, what school do you go to? And that is their way of First of all, that means what high school did you go to? That doesn't mean what college did you go to? And secondly that's them putting you in a box. Oh you like for me, I'm a Country Day kid, So I went to Country Day. So they know I went to school every day with a coat and tie. They know that my parents had some money, they know that, uh that I it was. It was. It's a great prep school. Not knocking it, but it's like, oh, well it's not a public school, and public schools are great in Saint Louis. And it's I mean some of my smartest friends went to public school. That are thanks, that was nice. Mm hmm. Yeah's keep going. No, that's that's that just stopped me in my tracks and we're about to throw up. But then I think of Doogie Howser. You know, that makes me think of Doogie Howser, And he needed formal medical training at the age of twelve to then go on and have the career that he had. So had he not gone to whatever school he want to, I don't think he just rolls right out of fourth grade and he's doing heart transplants. Who knows where Doogie Howser would be right now, you know what I mean? If he didn't have motivation. Yeah, if he skipped college, I mean, there would be no TV show and that was a documentary, which a lot of documentaries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, docuseries. Yeah. So how would you feel? I mean, think about it. If you're laying there and the monitors are going and the beeping, and you're maybe you're on a ventilator and you're clinging to life, and you open your eyes and you can barely just make out light and a figure, and then you realize that your your surgeon is eleven I mean what had come pretty feeling. If you know that that eleven year old finished some high profile medical school, then you're like, feel good, I'm gonna get off this. I will walk out this door because this little boy it's gonna operate on me and I'm gonna be fine. Right, But then here was like no, no no, check out his credentials. And then you're like, okay, yeah, I feel better now, right, And that that episodes like where again this is a documentary. He's going through puberty and they're at the go kart track and and he's having his first love and he's also performing major surgeries and removing a gall bladder and then going home and his mom and dad are yelling at him, and yeah, I mean it's like, you know, doogie howser. Actually he was. He was losing his virginity and Conham goes on and boom, you know, he loses his virginity and right in the middle of his page goes off and he has to just hop out of bed and be like, sorry, I gotta go. I I have there's an appendeic to me that I got to deal with right there, and he grabs his keys. He's not all enough to drive, he grabs. He can't drive, so he waits for his mom to pick him up. Right, Well, yeah, he's gotta wake her up because she's been she's sleeping, you know, right, so he's gotta Well, I thought he was at the girls house, and we're probably confusing different. I think she's at his house because he's on call. So it's like, well, I have to be here so my mom he can take me to the to the hospital to perform surgeries, you know, in case there's an emergency appendect to me. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So he you know, grabs his smokes. He goes out of the room. He gets into the back of his mom station wagon, puts the seat, gets in the car seat, puts the seatbelt on race to the hospital. Then she asked him what it was like, you know, with his first time with his lady friend, and and they're talking and the music hits, and then he's out of the door and he's into the operating room that he scrubs up with flint stones. He takes his flint stone vitam and he scrubs up. He gets his his hands perfectly clean with I think it was Dino. It was Dinoh, soap and because he didn't like the regular soap kind of he was scared of that. He gets totally his hands totally uh sterilized, and then he goes he dives right in and persons, fine, yeah, that they can't. He's got to be sure that these surgeries are not during naptime because he can't be tired. Tired good by the way, I just want to you know, everyone should go watch this docuseries Dougie Howser m D. It's good. Look at it. Yeah, it's a real life look at what it's like to be a ten year old surgeon. Yeah, yeah, really well done. But but it's imagine if you took all of the tutition that you pay for college, and I'm sure you know that number, and I'm sure it's high, and you said, all right, what do you love in the world? What do what? What do you love to do? And you don't have to be specific, but a few things you know that that that gets you going, and you take all that money and you say, okay, go travel the world. You know what I mean with this in mind? I mean, obviously, if you're gonna be a medical doctor, you have to go to school. But if if, if it's if you're not going to be a lawyer or a doctor or you know something like that, it's like, okay, go go see the world. Here's a billion dollars that we're gonna pay for your tutition. Move around a little bit, go go get some life experience. It's probably more valuable than even four years of college. Unless this is the same child we're worried about not going to the frat party or getting busted by their r A. And now they're in Thailand, m you know, with a fist full of fifties that was supposed to go to book purchasing and dorm payments and instead they got they're playing like Russian Roulette in Vietnam with Christopher walking. Yeah, and then there you know these So you got away the pluses and minus maybe your kids ready, But who says Roulette Russian Roulette with walking in Vietnam is a minus? Well, it could be a big minus. No, but it could be. But you make it through. I mean, look, that's an amazing story, amazing legends. All see how that career ever goes. I mean, you can never have like a Tom Brady type run. It's like a Russian Roulette champion, because eventually the numbers are going to get you one of there is a Russian Roulette champion. I wonder if you google that, if there's a you know, Margot Margo, get on that. How long they lasted? Like how long their rain was? Uh? I think this is the first podcast. There's how many podcasts are out there right now? One million and was up to one million sixty it's got to be two million podcasts, two million, two million and fifty four podcasts. The first one that's gone within five minutes from Doogie House or to Russian or let Christopher walking and a deer Hunter reference, Yephre a bit all over the map? Is that just from your your weariness, from from your travel with Adam Sandler? No, it's just letting your mind roam and be free, you know what I mean, and not having to worry about what's next, living exactly in this moment. That's all. Don't go anywhere. We'll be back after this short break with more daddy issues. So I did this. I did this direct TV show where was an interview show and I'd sit down with Derek Jeter, you know whoever, Joe Montana type people and and every time, the last question that the producer wanted me to ask was what's next? And sometimes there's no answer to that. Sometimes there's I don't know what's next. I'm gonna go get in the car, and then what happens after that, I don't know. You're almost forcing somebody to be profound about their next move in life, when most of the time I think you would agree with me, as now I'm fifty three and you're in near mid forties, that things happen when they happen, and you can't go, okay, well, then the night in two years, I'm gonna be doing this, and then the next year I'm gonna do this, and the next It just doesn't. Life doesn't work that way. There is no what's now. What's next is whatever happens. And and I can't sit here and tell you that I am going to you know, listen, what I'm leaving tomorrow to climb Mount Everest is next. He's probably not a really accurate answer that anybody can come up with. So what were some of the answers? I guess that some of like I asked that if Dennis Rodman, He's like, I'm gonna go get in the car. You know, that's that's where his mind was. And then you asked Derek Jeter and and he paused and thought about it so long I think they probably took it out, and then you know, it's just everybody nobody knew. Was At no point did any what's next question elicit a response. It was like, oh wow, that sounds believable, like I'm gonna go write ten children's books and I'm going to backpack across the Sahara and I'm leaving on Monday. That that was never the the answer. I can't even tell you what any answers were. This was three years ago when I should have changed it to should have been so who are you really that's the last question? Well, we got to at the end of it, and I came up with it. I was like, Okay, we've got Rrill Davis, you know, great running back Hall of Famer for the Broncos, or we've got uh whoever, I can't think of anybody's name right now, John Elway doesn't matter. And if you just basically asked them a simple question at the end, what makes a great running back, what makes a great quarterback? What makes a great announcer. What makes a great actor. It's very James Lipton, but you find that these people have never been asked that question, and they're like, huh, um, what makes a great running back? Vision? Vision, vision, balance, um, anticipation, um, you know, kind of having that sixth sense of knowing when it hits coming and avoiding the major contact, getting small when you need to get whatever it is. You know, it makes a great defense eve end, being able to bend in a big body, to bend and get around the edge and get to the quarterback, whatever it is. But just it's sometimes the simple questions when you're interviewing somebody, and and this is I don't know this is for our masterclass and broadcasting. But when you're asking the simple questions, sometimes when it's so open ended, you get you get an answer you would never expect. So I will ask you now, Oliver, and I'm serious, and I want you to really answer this. Alright, let's do it for somebody that grew up in an acting family. What makes a great actor. I don't think there's any one thing that makes somebody a great actor. Everyone does it differently, from Daniel day Lewis to Vince Vaughan, Kurt Russell to Brando, whatever, what what, However it is, everyone has their style, everyone has their preparation, their way of doing things. So I think what makes someone a great actor is what works for them, And ultimately it's just getting into the moment of reality, trying to find the reality of the moment, and however one gets there, it's that's their process. But at the end, when you're doing a scene, it's about the real portrayal of that moment. But there's a asterisk that goes there. It depends on the tone of the movie or TV show, It depends on the genre. You know, it depends on a lot of things. Because some people will are living in a heightened world. The movie is a little more heightened, so reality has to be heightened. You know. Sometimes you're doing a movie or TV show where it's really down, it's dark and it's quiet, and you know, it's angst filled. So you know, it's the different portrayals of reality. I guess that's why it's a true collaboration, because you have to listen to your director and you have to listen to your writer, and you know, you have these discussions. But at the end of the day. I think it's about the portrayal of reality, you know, making people feel something. And I like, I like when you don't know the whole truth, meaning there's something about that actor or performance that they're not quite telling you everything, or there's something behind it, there's a secret, even if there's not, you know what I mean. It keeps people sort of guessing in a sense. But that's my answer, you know, and I think it would probably go the same with you because it's a style. You know, there's styles of acting. If you notice you look at Tom Cruise, Harrison Ford or whatever. They can be in any role, but there are idiosyncrasies of that actor that that travel with them from part to part. There's no doubt, and then writers and shows take advantage of that m and they right, Like I thought, I can't for the life of me it maybe was it? What was the what was this show with that was on HBO? The Shape of Things? No, it was it was Hugh Grant and uh kid, yeah, where he's a doctor, he's like an oncologist. Yeah, it's like a who done it? It's a who done it? But the whole time, every clue points to Hugh Grant. Doing it. But you go into the process, you go into the you go into the viewing of it liking you Grant and believing that he's a great guy based on past roles that he's had, Like, well, there's no way you Grant would be the killer, even though it is so hot. There's no other person really unless it was the kid that could have done it. So but but they but the writers and the show takes advantage of you liking that actor, so you're you're willing to overlook so many things ago. Well he did. It's clear that that guy did it. But even towards the very end, when the thing flips twenty nine times and and it's like, okay, but it's still him. It's still him, But I still don't want to believe it because it's you Grant and everything. He was so great at notting Hill awesome. Well, then how could he have killed the girl in an HBO thing fifteen years later? Well, okay, that they think it's funny you even bring that up, because you know, my parents were watching it. We're all watching it sort of at the same time, and there was always everyone was sort of texting or whatever, like what do you think? And right from the when I saw the preview, before I even watched the show, I was like, Oh, it's Hugh Grant. There's no world where Hugh Grant, who has done so many things, and I don't I think this was his first foray into TV. He's not gonna come and do this show unless he's the fucking guy, you know what I mean, that's even the next level. You know too much. So you're like, yeah, flipping it exactly. I in my mind thinking, Okay, Hugh Grants reading the script and he's like, oh, ship, I get to be the killer. I've never played the killer. I've never been that guy. And so that's what was appealing to him if he was not the guy, like, um, okay, I'm just you Grant, the nice guy, I guess, and you know you're gonna make it, make me a bit of a red hero. But at the end of the day, it's the kid. He's like, no, I want to I want to be the fucking guy. And so that's where I knew immediately when I just saw the trailer, I'm like, oh, it's your Grant. I mean, there's just no doubt. That's so funny. You're thinking of his career choice. Ye, think of his career, thinking of his choice is going forward? Is a yes, exactly eight year old guy or whatever he is. Yeah, Now I don't want I don't want that. I'm tired of playing the stuttering, Foppish, cute British guy. I want to lose my mind and bash somebody over the head. Yep, yep, I was. I was looking out. I was looking at his career choices, just like you said. It wasn't even about the content. I was like, oh, well that's a choice. He's going to make the choice to be the killer. There's no world where he doesn't. Yeah. And at the end, that show was so good, so good, so good, so good, so good. For like, the ending was like now we're in a card chase. It's hard sometimes those shows are really hard to to end, you know, it's not an easy thing to do. The who done It's are really good and then the minute you find out who did it, it's easy to have a letdown, you know, it's it's those are hard ones to sort of wrap up really nicely. Well, I mean, even like what was the world scariest movie the Michael Douglas Going Close one, The Boiling rabbits, fatal attraction. I mean, can we just have one of these things? And I know this movie is a hundred years old, but they're all the same. Where Okay, she's drowning in the bathtub, it's over, we're all wrapping up. Everybody's Michael Douglas and his wife have the beautiful moment or the hug and uh, you know, we made it through this nut job and whatever, and now out of the bathtub she comes. And now it's like, oh my god, come on, just one time. Can the can the final blow actually be the final blow? Or do we just have to constantly oh, he's not dead yet. It's like Frida. It's like it's difficult though, because you want to you wanna end with something satisfying or the some sort of closure of some kind, or a big climax and then maybe like a you know, a false climax to another one. You know, it's just that's it's hard, and especially with horror thriller, you know, you're one state. You keep that suspense. The filmmakers are keeping that suspense, and it's so good. You're like, oh, with the good ones, oh my god, it's fucking good shot and the minute that it's revealed, you know, who the killer is or whatever that plot twist is. The air gets so let out of that balloon. We're like, okay, now I got another twenty minutes to watch this thing wrap up. You're like, I'm done. I got it. And now he's the guy now now now they're gonna get him and capture him and man the helicopter and it was going on, you know, m night Shamalanahan who you know, obviously he's his uh, his early movies were great, like six Cents was amazing, you know, and that that was an example of keeping it amazing the entire time, you know what I mean. You're like, holy shit, he did a good job of that. Yes, once once, Oh my god, we watched UM. We watched UM. It's called Old. I think it's one of his latest movies. And I was watching with Aaron and Aaron and Rio, you know, Aaron and Body and man, it was just I was like, what is going on. It's almost like he's got his formula. He knows how to make his dough now, and he's just gonna sort of hammer away at it, you know, and it's just like he's almost just punching a clock. It's it looks like right, yeah, it's still never be by m knight. My career is over with him. I think, yeah, well, I think you're okay on that front. If you we're gonna strike up. If he's listening that he's one of our avid most like crazy listens like these guys, I would have ruined Oliver Hudson. He can't tell. He might he might even have an offer and right now for his next movie for me to be in, and he's going to listen to something like, oh my god, fuck this guy. Yeah, yeah, I was the one that said it. I mean, every movie got worse. It's maybe that's it's a it's a movie about his movies constantly getting worse. Maybe he's a genius and at the end his final one is going to incorporate all of that work. And it was all some sort of a ruse on us, on us, we were all at his experiment. It makes me think of one time, Thank god this happened before social media. I'm doing a Game of the Week on Fox baseball game. We're in St. Louis, of all places. I don't think that this might be one story I've not told four times on this podcast. We're we're sitting in the booth and it's me and McCarver, and you've met Steve Horne, the long haired guy that works with me, and he's my information guy and a hundred times smarter than I'll ever be. And somehow Tim said the word it's an illusion. I said, what are you doug Hending over there? Now? For people at a certain age listening to this podcast, they don't have any idea who Doug Henning is. I mean I do. I would. He was one of the first magicians. He had a Broadway show. He was such a big magician. It was like, it's an illusion, like google doug Henning. And the picture in and of itself is amazing. I mean it's I could make really mean jokes on I'm not so uh should have been been it invisil line. I'm just gonna say that. Uh so, I'm doing the game. And I said, what would he doug Henning over there? And then another pitch, foul ball off to the right. I'm like, you know, speaking of doug Henning, where's he been? This is like in the mid nineties, mid to late nineties, like where's he been? Another pitch down in a way bowl one. I mean, well, you know, now, come to think of it, maybe this is his greatest trick of all time. In five years, he's gonna pop up and go I'm saying this in a baseball game like it's it's his greatest disappearing act of all time. In five years, He's gonna pop up and go to H And I could just sense that Steve Horn is sitting through two ft to my left is panicking like, oh god. And I look over and he's like typing something in he's on the phone, and and I look over and all Steve Horn does, let's go thumbs down, thumbs down, And that was his way of saying he had died. So I was making on of a dead magician. I loved does it? I mean, I absolutely loved you. Guy. Saw a show on Broadway? And how did you recover from that? I was like, I just acted like I never said it was. I think it was picked up a TV guide back then. You're so, I mean, imagine you're doing that right now. Oh my god, I'd be laughed off. I'd be laughed off the air, Oh my god. Like I had another one prior to Uh, to social media. Cardinals are playing Arizona in the NLCS in two thousand one, so we know that social media does not date back to two thousand one, because this wouldn't have happened. And uh, Tony wollmac is get delivers the game winning hit, and like two winnings earlier, he he doesn't walk off base hit, and they win this division series against the Cardinals, and I'm doing it on national TV. It's a nighttime, it's big audience. And and earlier the night we talked about how Tony Wollmack had lost his father and and like he was either on Father's Day that year his dad had passed away or it was I don't know, his dad died and then he couldn't play on Father's Day because he was so distraught, whatever it was. He gets the game winning hit, he comes running back, they're all celebrating. They put a headset on his head down by the on deck circle, and I'm doing the interview from up in the boot down like Tony, Oh my god, what does that feel like to get a walk off hit to win the division series? Like, ah, this is unbelievable. And as I'm as I'm talking this woman comes in and gives him this huge hug, and I'm of the mode where this guy's like a young kid who just got the game winning hit and I've just been talking about him losing his dad. I'm like, oh, and and who's hugging you right now? And tell everybody who who is who? That is that your mom? And like the needle comes off the record and he goes, no, man, that's my wife. I'm like, my god, I said, oh, please apologize to her. I can't and I could barely see her because it was a mob of people. And so then I raced down there at the end of that when we got off the air, and I went up to him and I didn't know him at all, and I said, hey, Tony of Joe Buck I interviewed for the booth. I said, I am so sorry. Please tell your wife. I'm so sorry. And he was laughing about it. He was totally great. And then I got her. I got her bouquet of roses the next day, sent him to her house. It was like, I feel so bad. And then he became a cardinal and became a guy that I knew really well, and he was prominent. But that moment. There is no worse feeling on live National network TV. Jam not stick, jam your leg, not your foot, your leg into your mouth, and just you want to just dig a hole in the booth and never come out. Ah, that's tough. That's tough. Well so in a career as long as yours, I mean, you must have a bunch of those where you just I mean, that's just out. Yeah. If you're enjoying this episode of Daddy Issues, don't keep it to yourself. Please share the love and tell a friend about Daddy Issues and go subscribe on the I Heart radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Stay tuned. You don't want to miss what's coming up right after the break. I'm actually in Dallas, uh, because I'm giving a speech tomorrow for I think a thousand people. For what are you speaking on? Well, So normally the easy way out of a public speech for me is to take questions and they just do Q and A. They want me to be up there for an hour, and I'm like, let's just do I'll give sixty minutes of the best Q and A. I'll be open, I'll be funny, it'll be spur of the moment I'll interact with them. They're gonna love it now there Initially was supposed to be forty minutes speech, twenty minutes of Q and A. I'm like, I just want to do all Q and A. When I go through C A A, They're like, no, they won't do that. And they're paying me a lot of money to be here, and I'm like, all right, well, what's the most we we can do? And I think it's down to thirty thirty So I have to give a thirty minutes speech tomorrow, which is so long. It's just not my thing. Like I'm I'm not a U plus hard work equal success or you know that that kind of like, I'm not there to motivate people. Hold on, what is this for? And and what do they expect? What are they expecting of you? As far as the theme of the speech is, it like it's it's like the insurance company and like you need to motivate our our workers. I think it's all of these things without doing insurance or talking to some hedge fund guys or I don't know. I assume that they all want motivation to to work harder. And it's funny for me to motivate. As we've talked about a million times in this podcast, A lmost feel guilty for my career being somebody's son. Being so I thought about that about talking about seizing opportunity, and it doesn't matter how the opportunity presents itself or when, or you have to be ready for it and you have to be willing to out work whoever is next to you to to make the most out of it. And I feel like, if I think back on my childhood, opportunity for me came with when and how I was born, being kind of a mistake too, coming into the world. My dad's career takes off right about the same time he becomes the lead guy in St. Louis. He gets some network opportunities. He has had this family with six kids that he wasn't a great dad too, and now he wants to invest in his son. And I'm going everywhere with him and having these opportunities and paying attention as a little kid and being able to, you know, like I referenced a master's class, I mean, that's what it was. Every day I was sitting in the booth two seats down from my dad, watching him watch the game, as I'm listening to him broadcasting a little one piece headphone and watching him do his thing every night. And so when I got started at nineteen at Triple A, and Big Leagues at twenty one, and Network at five in the World Series of seven, I had taken advantage of all these opportunities that I was given that were not given to my brother's half brothers and half sisters, and I was ready for these moments that came much earlier than they typically come from anybody. So I think that's kind of where I'm gonna go with this thing and say that's good. Say, you know, everybody's going to have opportunities, and you may not be sitting there as the son of a Hall of Fame broadcaster, but you know, I'm in a room where people are they're looking at upstart businesses, and um, these upstart businesses are trying to sell their ideas to these these investors, and so it's an opportunity on both sides. There. It's an opportunity for somebody's life's work to be seen by the right people. It's basically like Shark Tank tomorrow, and it's there's an opportunity on both ends of that spectrum. Uh that well, it's also in the upstart business world, it's about finding the opportunity within the deal as well, meaning like pick a piece you know, is there's something within this in the concept of what you're trying to sell that you that that you can find an opportunity to, you know, take advantage of giving you or stature and who you might know, you know what I mean, because oh yeah, because you can find those opportunities where your foot might already be in the door with your life within a faction of of of whatever this deal is, you know. So it's finding it's it's finding those opportunities to within what it is you're trying to accomplish. Well, I mean, I think that's what goes with going into any meetings they may have already had or will have the rest of the day, and really being aware and alert of the width and the breadth of these deals and saying, you know, maybe this doesn't work for me, but this piece of it does, and I know this person. To put in touch with this person, it could make this small idea bigger, right, And the opportunity, just the opportunity it comes from a bit of research too, And I know this. It's funny because when I do my pitch meetings or whatever, and I know who's going to be in the room or in this case on Zoom nowadays, as far as the executive go, I'll google the executives and sort of deep dive them a little bit, and I'm like, oh, ship, look this this woman. Um, you know she actually was going to Colorado. She grew up sort of just outside of this and this and that, or uh, you know, she's You can find relatable things. Now you're connecting on a personal level and maybe maybe the business side of it you don't have that connection, but something more personal you do, which then creates a camaraderie in a connection with the person who you're trying to sell. Well, I think I think that's that's probably the most important piece, is having a connection and not just going in like if I'm going in to sell something like in your case, you're going into sell. You have to be willing to listen to. You have to be willing. This can't be a full on, full court press. This has to be give and take, and you have to be willing to listen to what they come back with in the moment and react that and accept what it is that they're saying and be able to shift. And sometimes, you know, you go in with one idea of selling one thing, and you maybe something else you have is a better fit for that company. You won't know that until you're interacting with them, and you sure as I will know it unless you have your ears open and you're listening to what it is they're saying. Because so I think there's some something to that too, that you know, And and that's kind of how I've always gone about my career, is not just yeah, you've got you got it, like you literally just did the speech right, right, but this will hit. This will hit on Thursday, and the speeches on Wednesday. So it's good. Yeah, but I think I think you're good. I think a half hour go by quick, and then it's like any questions, any questions about Troy Aikman here in Dallas, and I can answer for you, right, because then the questions will be nothing to do with any of this wisdom you're trying to impart on these people. There won't be one about five minutes in you said something that was really interesting that that will never come out of anybody when they're a no no, it's like, what's the craziest moment you've had in the booth? Right, Well, funny you should say that Tony Woolmack got a game winning hit and he lost his dad on father to Day that year, and he put it on my headset and yeah, this is good. I'm sure you will end up telling that story. I will. I got bad, I got the the the untimely death of Doug Henning is still in the midst of his greatest trick. He still hasn't come back yet. There's no there's no Tuda. Hey, how's the broken arm boy? By the way, he's good. I'll send you video and I'll send it to Margo to uh that. I mean, this kid, Christian, Trudy's boyfriend, who's five times stronger than me, plays in the NH shell is literally throwing him ten feet into the air in the pool. He's smashing down the pool with his arm. We took batting practice yesterday. He's with the cast and then we hit balls and I'm like, it's fine when he makes contact with the golf ball, but he's so short and the clubs are so long. Half the time he's just smashing the club down into the ground behind the ball, and I'm like, that's got to just kill his I mean, he's got a broken funny bone in his right arm. He's like and he you know, he's hitting it into the ground and I'm like, does that hurt? That's that hurting you at all? No? I'm fine. Did we did we did our last Did we cover this on our last podcast? Did we talk about that he has a broken arm? I don't think he did. We did? We had to because we when we went down to Cabo. Yeah. Everyone, Yes, we can't remember anything. We're like the people at a party that come back around and tell you the same story. I don't know her again, totally. Yeah. So he's how's he doing. He's got it. He's got an appointment on the seventh and then they will X ray it see if the healing has happened, and if it has, I guess they take cast off and if it hasn't, then they take cast off and they put a new one on, which has got to feel good anyway. So, given the videos that you have sent me and what you're telling everyone right now, with batting practice and golfing and pool throwing, I suspect he might have his cast on a little longer. Yeah, I know that's the thing, like, are we setting this back? But he's he's fallen two hundred times with this thing. And the noise that that cast makes. Yeah, it's like conk. It's like I can't even Oh, it's just turns my stomach. My mom. I can tell you how many times my mom would when I was es wish it was me and not you, and I wish I was the one sick and not you, and I was like, give me the broken arm. I don't want to him having a broken arm. I'll walk around with a cast. I don't care. I know he has not complained about it one bit, which means that that whole milking things for for for all that they're worth, and then some comes over time. I don't think that's innate. I think people are willing to move like he. He's not like, oh mommy, I want another ice cream my army. It's it's just care yes again. Question of whether it's that's learned or if that's an eight, you know, I think part of it is an eight. I think part of it's inn eight because I've got my kids and and you know, wild or my Oldest is one way, and Bodie and Real they're all different, you know what I mean, like wild or milks It no doubt, and Bodie is pretty self sufficient when it comes to being sick or school or whatever. You know. So they were raised the same. I think their sensitivity, you know, differentials with the kids, and one needs more coddling and the other ones that I got out, I got it. Just leave me alone. I can deal with it, you know. Yeah, there's no doubt. Don't go anywhere. We'll be back after this short break with more daddy issues. So I'm going to ask you. These questions that Margot put on our little email, I'm gonna go through them. These are brain teasers from Neil Patrick Harris. How about that doogie howser? What? This game amazing? And the game is amazing, is amazed? So you were that just meant to be funny? Wow, We're okay. I'm gonna ask you. I've read through these ones, right, I don't know, there's something, there's something that you know right away, like what can you catch but not throw cold? Right? Um, I'm in no way to Margot. You're gonna have to get on here and voice whatever when we're wrong or right because I can't. Did you cheat? Did you already look him up and everything? Or no? There there? I read about three of them that that's the first one, and I knew that. When you have I don't know this one. I don't think when you have me you feel like sharing me. But if you do share me, you don't have me? What am I? When you have me? You feel like? That's the answer to every one of these. Say it again, when you when you have me, do you feel like sharing me? If you if you share me, you don't have me? What am I? Oh? My God? Have me? Uh? I don't know? Is not simplist. It is a secret. Uh. That's gonna be our It's gonna be our response every time. It's gonna sound like the farm report. If you're running in a race past the second place person, what place are you in? If you're running in a race past the second place person, what place are you in? Oh? I know it. I mean you want to say second, but that doesn't probably not right? It's second? Right? Mart yet? Right? Do you think you would think it would be first? Yeah? My brain didn't even go to first. Mine did? So what does that tell you? I'm at the end of time, space and life. What am I? Are you gonna hate this one? I'm at the end of the time, space and life. You don't believe in any of it? So yeah, God's way more literal. No, I mean I know what it is? Oh? What is it? Eight? I start with M and end with X and have a never ending amount of letters. What am I start with? I mean you got a a? Oh gosh, Max? Is it mac? It's I think it's something that a postman uses mailbox. Yes, sir. A construction worker fell off a one hundred ft ladder but didn't die. How is that possible? He was on a bridge over water? Good thoughts? He was it fell off a hundred foot ladder into a ball pit. No, Josh, No, I feel like Oliver was going to get there. You were. I can feel it. Ladder. It's not about where the ladder is, It's about where he is off a building on the ladder. Oh, he was only on the first rung. You got it? I mean, I kind of the ladder still could have been over a ball pit though. Noo for over water? What game? In what game do winners move backward and losers move forward? Squid games, Winners move backward, losers move No, No, winners move backwards. Kind of summer camper. Sorry, it's like a physical game. Winners move backwards. Suits and ladders, leap frog, shoots and letders. Isn't so physical? What is it of war? Ah? Okay, two more. If your aunt's brother is not your uncle, what relation is he to you? If your aunt's brother it is not your uncle, what relation is he to you? Well, if my aunt had a dick, you'd be my uncle. If your aunt's brother is not your uncle, and your your in law, it's so obvious you're gonna just kick yourself. Your aunt's brother, your aunts, your aunt, your aunt's brother, your aunt brother, that's your cousin. Yeah, he's your dad and your dad. Oh right, Jesus alright. Last one on what has a neck but no head? A guitar? I gonna say something dirty guitar? Nope? Oh man, that's true. What's the head of a guitar? Then? What is a neck? You drink beer out of it? A mom bottle? How did we How did I lose to you? On celebrity family feud? That's what I don't get. I don't know I don't like these little riddles. A bottle a beer bottle, bottle a bottle, yes, but what is the head of the guitar? Then? How is my answer? Send your send your send your complaints to Neil Patrick Harris a k A and cares doogie howser m and use a stamp and put in your mailbox because it has a never ending amount of letters. Neil Patrick Harris's mailbox does. Yes, that has a never ending amount of letters. I have a weird growth on the end of my toe. What should you do? When do you do this speech? Tomorrow? Tomorrow? How about of the door? One thirty? I go to Trinity Forest play golf and then I fly home. Oh you golf everywhere you go. You figured something Mount Oliver on this trip. This, this is a very good trip for me. Really yeah, I shot seventy four in the big game and want to much money. Hold on. Then then we're gonna go, We're gonna leave. But but just is this something you figured out that's gonna last like a month and then you're gonna be angry again? No, no, because it's changed the entire way I've ever thought, like I my hands have always with you and I have talked about this thousand times. My hands come back, and then I get long, and then I get narrow. Now I'm taking it back as far as I'm getting that full stretch out. But my hands now to me feel like they never come up above my waist. But when you look at it, and I video and I'm like, well, Jesus, I'm right there. It's nowhere near down where where my mind tells me my hands are. And now I can just have all that room to swing. I like I have a I have like openness of the whole. I don't know. It's it's hard to explain, but before it's like trying to I was jammed up. Now I'm I'm out and I'm long and I'm powerful, and it's it's night and day. And I was there years ago, but I over time, I just got narrower and narrow and longer arm, longer and longer arm, And now it feels like the swing is half but it's a hundred times more powerful. Did you play one round or multiple rounds? Played two rounds with that? Hit balls? The next day I went right back in it, fell right back in it. It wasn't how is your how is your second round? Like and then you know, did you keep seventy eight? But that I just missed putts, But I've actually putted really well. Ship can my pencil grip? Ship canned all that stuff, just went back to normal putting and made putts that broke hearts. So it was like night and day. Oh good good. So now I'm like, I'm excited to golf. I'm not like, God, am I going to get the ball in the air? I know? Isn't it funny how that works? I'm kind of pumped on golf right now to actually you should be, Um, all right, let's leave. But when you are you coming to l A anytime soon? Or no? When Bellair? Bellair? Remember guest? Oh you invited me too that I couldn't go to twenty We'll be out there, sorry one. So are we be around at least? No being Albuquerque, Albaquique, Albuquerquie. Take a left turn at Albuquerque. Nobody knows what that is, but I do that bugs bunny? Yeah yeah, yeah, well damn it. That sucks. Um, We'll just fly me to St. Louis figured out? Okay, you gotta all right, Joe? I love you and I love you, and I love Alie Houser and I actually love him. Night Shamlan. And for the record, I love him night slam sham sham Shamalan, Shamalan. I love him, not Shamalan. And you know, you know what somebody's gonna because he's an avid listener, that somebody's gonna go. He's gonna go, what do you think of Oliver Hudson's career? And m Knight Shamalan's answer is going to be I see dead people. Well, that's exactly what's gonna happen. Quote Young Hayley Joel Osmond. When I say this regarding Oliver's career, Oh man, well, am night. You know I love you, buddy, So I am for higher whatever. Yeah, don't let this podcast ruin. Yeah, don't a good career, please, thank you. Um, all right, all right, buddy, take care. You take to Margot and Josh and all of my friends at Daddy Issues podcast brought to you by Cavalry Media. Perfect Listen to Daddy Issues on the I Heart Radio app, on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. 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