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Hello.

Hello, I'm so excited to see you in your family's well and I really's good.

Hello, I'm so excited to see you in your family's well and I really's good.

Yeah, the girls are getting so big, eleven and eight. It's wild. I know. I was just talking to Nick last night and he was saying something about a car and he's like, well, Emmy, I'll be driving in like four years. And I thought, what did you just say to me? I felt I felt like it was an assault. I mean, granted, she's eleven, almost twelve, but I thought, don't say that to me. Don't point that stuff out.

Yeah, the girls are getting so big, eleven and eight. It's wild. I know. I was just talking to Nick last night and he was saying something about a car and he's like, well, Emmy, I'll be driving in like four years. And I thought, what did you just say to me? I felt I felt like it was an assault. I mean, granted, she's eleven, almost twelve, but I thought, don't say that to me. Don't point that stuff out.

That's too big a leap.

That's too big a leap.

I was like, no, sir, because you know how quickly four years goes by. God willing by the way in this. But I just thought, oh, gosh, but you know, we're just good. It's good East Coast eleven.

I was like, no, sir, because you know how quickly four years goes by. God willing by the way in this. But I just thought, oh, gosh, but you know, we're just good. It's good East Coast eleven.

Yeah, and you're loving it.

Yeah, and you're loving it.

We are. I mean, we're back home, and so it feels right after I lost my dad and then my mom and then my grandmother. Well my grandmother are two weeks before my mom. It just felt like the right thing to be home. I needed to be by my brother. My in laws had moved to Tampa, so we came back. And also I've been working in Georgia since twenty nineteen, so it's like a hop skip, so we're kind of splitting our time between there, and it feels feels like the right spot. But every time I go back to La just but I kind of just miss what we had, Like you know, that era, that time where things were just a little bit more simple, a lot more simple, and yeah, and it was fun and stiff. So I just I'm a nostalgic for that me too mean moments.

We are. I mean, we're back home, and so it feels right after I lost my dad and then my mom and then my grandmother. Well my grandmother are two weeks before my mom. It just felt like the right thing to be home. I needed to be by my brother. My in laws had moved to Tampa, so we came back. And also I've been working in Georgia since twenty nineteen, so it's like a hop skip, so we're kind of splitting our time between there, and it feels feels like the right spot. But every time I go back to La just but I kind of just miss what we had, Like you know, that era, that time where things were just a little bit more simple, a lot more simple, and yeah, and it was fun and stiff. So I just I'm a nostalgic for that me too mean moments.

It's interesting, though, when you talk about your girls, because one of my favorite things to ask people is to rewind and talk about childhood. And I realize, in all the years I've known you, I've not really asked you this question either, And I find that it's so interesting when I get to talk to parents about this, because they can look at their own childhood and also see these sort of themes reflected in their children in present day. So when when you look back, you know, at the age your younger daughter is at nine, if you could go and hang out with nine year old Joanna, would you see the woman you are today in her? Would you be like, oh my god, she's friendly and gathers people and is so communicative and as a total performer or was she like a totally different kid.

It's interesting, though, when you talk about your girls, because one of my favorite things to ask people is to rewind and talk about childhood. And I realize, in all the years I've known you, I've not really asked you this question either, And I find that it's so interesting when I get to talk to parents about this, because they can look at their own childhood and also see these sort of themes reflected in their children in present day. So when when you look back, you know, at the age your younger daughter is at nine, if you could go and hang out with nine year old Joanna, would you see the woman you are today in her? Would you be like, oh my god, she's friendly and gathers people and is so communicative and as a total performer or was she like a totally different kid.

I think there was probably all of that there, and this sort of just like knowing that things were going to be okay. But I was really picked on at that time of my life, you know, and I feel like I still carry those scars to this day of just I was so emotional. And one of my friends has a daughter who's like this, and I see it a lot in her and I always kind of talk to my friend through it, and people call her dramatic and all of this stuff, and I'm like, yeah, but that's what makes her so unique and special and she feels so deeply, and so yeah, I think I see a lot of that. I'm probably a little bit more graceful now, a little, but I was a little bit of a bull in a china shop, which I am now still in certain ways. But I was like I know what I want to do with my life. I knew I had this utter sense of just faith that everything was going to be okay. But it was hard. It was really hard, and it definitely affected it still does to this day, that sort of need to kind of like please and fit in and all of those little insecurities that creep up naturally. And then we choose to do what we do for a living, which is so forward facing and up for a million opinions, and lord knows, we didn't even know back then when we started this that the world would be like this, that there would be so much access and conversation about us. I mean, I feel like when we started on the WB it was like message boards that you had to like log into AOL about it. Just like you think about how much the world has changed. But yeah, I think that when I look back on my childhood, I really felt now that I'm really just kind of digging into it. My mom was just such a She was like a getter done. She was like, what do you want to do? She was so supportive, and I feel like I have a lot of that like feral mom energy and me where I'm like, you want to do this? Let's go in, like, let's figure it out, let's go. My husband had a little bit of that too, which is not a great balance for us, so we tend to kind of like go all over the place. But yeah, I just I felt I felt like it was tough, but I knew it was going to be okay. And I kind of feel like that now. I guess I just said that earlier. When we got on the phone. I was like we started talking, I was like, this is a hard moment. Yeah, but we're going to be okay. And my dad really talked a lot about that too. My dad was an immigrant, you know, he came over when he was thirteen years old from Cuba, and he saw a lot, a lot, a lot of things in his life. And what I feel like, I know, especially now having like my parents on the other side, that I can endure a lot more than I feared a lot of things that I just now know. I say to my daughters. My daughter asked me if childbirth was painful. I said, well, yeah, but she's like, I'm so scared of it. And I was like, you're eight and by the time you decide to have a baby, or if that's what your choice is like, you'll be ready for it, you can handle the pain. Put that, but let's bench that one for now. But it is true because I was so afraid of the idea of like, God, what happens the day I lose my mom my dad. It's going to be the worst, the worst, And it is. But I'm still here, and I'm still living and still thriving and still navigating life.

I think there was probably all of that there, and this sort of just like knowing that things were going to be okay. But I was really picked on at that time of my life, you know, and I feel like I still carry those scars to this day of just I was so emotional. And one of my friends has a daughter who's like this, and I see it a lot in her and I always kind of talk to my friend through it, and people call her dramatic and all of this stuff, and I'm like, yeah, but that's what makes her so unique and special and she feels so deeply, and so yeah, I think I see a lot of that. I'm probably a little bit more graceful now, a little, but I was a little bit of a bull in a china shop, which I am now still in certain ways. But I was like I know what I want to do with my life. I knew I had this utter sense of just faith that everything was going to be okay. But it was hard. It was really hard, and it definitely affected it still does to this day, that sort of need to kind of like please and fit in and all of those little insecurities that creep up naturally. And then we choose to do what we do for a living, which is so forward facing and up for a million opinions, and lord knows, we didn't even know back then when we started this that the world would be like this, that there would be so much access and conversation about us. I mean, I feel like when we started on the WB it was like message boards that you had to like log into AOL about it. Just like you think about how much the world has changed. But yeah, I think that when I look back on my childhood, I really felt now that I'm really just kind of digging into it. My mom was just such a She was like a getter done. She was like, what do you want to do? She was so supportive, and I feel like I have a lot of that like feral mom energy and me where I'm like, you want to do this? Let's go in, like, let's figure it out, let's go. My husband had a little bit of that too, which is not a great balance for us, so we tend to kind of like go all over the place. But yeah, I just I felt I felt like it was tough, but I knew it was going to be okay. And I kind of feel like that now. I guess I just said that earlier. When we got on the phone. I was like we started talking, I was like, this is a hard moment. Yeah, but we're going to be okay. And my dad really talked a lot about that too. My dad was an immigrant, you know, he came over when he was thirteen years old from Cuba, and he saw a lot, a lot, a lot of things in his life. And what I feel like, I know, especially now having like my parents on the other side, that I can endure a lot more than I feared a lot of things that I just now know. I say to my daughters. My daughter asked me if childbirth was painful. I said, well, yeah, but she's like, I'm so scared of it. And I was like, you're eight and by the time you decide to have a baby, or if that's what your choice is like, you'll be ready for it, you can handle the pain. Put that, but let's bench that one for now. But it is true because I was so afraid of the idea of like, God, what happens the day I lose my mom my dad. It's going to be the worst, the worst, And it is. But I'm still here, and I'm still living and still thriving and still navigating life.

And yeah, well, and I think there's something really interesting to you know, the point that you make about sensitivity, because it is hard to be sensitive to cruelty, to be sensitive to the suffering of others, to feel the weight of things in the world. But I think it also can be such a leading force. It's the thing that allows you to say, oh, this suffering is an injustice, Oh this is a person I could show up for. Oh I wish I wish someone had shown up for me during X. And so when I see someone going through it, I'll show up for them. And I think that's it's a gift. It's not always easy to be informed and conscious and tapped in and all the things, but I do think it's the only way that things get better. And so maybe that's why so many sensitive people wind up in ways becoming artists and creating things because to tell other people's stories is a it's a way of showing up.

And yeah, well, and I think there's something really interesting to you know, the point that you make about sensitivity, because it is hard to be sensitive to cruelty, to be sensitive to the suffering of others, to feel the weight of things in the world. But I think it also can be such a leading force. It's the thing that allows you to say, oh, this suffering is an injustice, Oh this is a person I could show up for. Oh I wish I wish someone had shown up for me during X. And so when I see someone going through it, I'll show up for them. And I think that's it's a gift. It's not always easy to be informed and conscious and tapped in and all the things, but I do think it's the only way that things get better. And so maybe that's why so many sensitive people wind up in ways becoming artists and creating things because to tell other people's stories is a it's a way of showing up.

Yeah, I mean not to I've shared this before, but I had that there was a moment where I was contemplating not wanting to act as much anymore. And I didn't share that with anybody because that actually, even saying it now is kind of a scary thing because I don't feel that way now, just FYI. But I had a healer, this really wonderful woman, and she said to me, you know, what we do as artists, and not to like make our job so important, but she said, it's life is all about bumping up against each other and honing our stones, and oftentimes people, you know, we're so many people are just trying to survive right now, and their escape is watching television, or their escape is you know, going to a beautiful museum and you know, looking at incredible art and learning about those things. And part of what our I think gift is and our ability, like the honor of what we do, is to be able to kind of make people feel certain things because we are able to hone stones just by allowing someone to laugh or cry, or look at the world in a little bit of a different way, or learn something. And I think it is really important to It's not easy to be so raw in touch and you know, literally step into the pain and suffering of somebody else that we don't know. You know, those are all they're great honors, but it's not easy to do. And so but I also think there's like value to it more than just entertainment. And I do think that it's like an energetic sort of healing that we have an opportunity to do and to connect. And all I want to do right now is tell stories that are relatable and too. You know, they're not the coolest stories, maybe you're the hippist or the ones that get the most attention, but they're the ones that make people feel like less alone. And right now, I just like that's so that's where I'm fitting in and with my job, and also you know, trying to raise two young women to look outside of themselves and look further than their immediate radius, and by the way, also also settle in and figure out how you can help the person that's sitting right next right next to you. Such a great honor to connect and it is a huge responsibility. And so you and I think as we get older we try to like protect our energy and our peace and all of that. Yeah, that's that is also a delicate dance. What do we have the bandwidth for? Yeah, that's I'm so grateful to be surrounded by such strong, connected, aware, awake people because it's like I got your back, you got mine, and will kind of carry the burden, you know, cover the terrain together.

Yeah, I mean not to I've shared this before, but I had that there was a moment where I was contemplating not wanting to act as much anymore. And I didn't share that with anybody because that actually, even saying it now is kind of a scary thing because I don't feel that way now, just FYI. But I had a healer, this really wonderful woman, and she said to me, you know, what we do as artists, and not to like make our job so important, but she said, it's life is all about bumping up against each other and honing our stones, and oftentimes people, you know, we're so many people are just trying to survive right now, and their escape is watching television, or their escape is you know, going to a beautiful museum and you know, looking at incredible art and learning about those things. And part of what our I think gift is and our ability, like the honor of what we do, is to be able to kind of make people feel certain things because we are able to hone stones just by allowing someone to laugh or cry, or look at the world in a little bit of a different way, or learn something. And I think it is really important to It's not easy to be so raw in touch and you know, literally step into the pain and suffering of somebody else that we don't know. You know, those are all they're great honors, but it's not easy to do. And so but I also think there's like value to it more than just entertainment. And I do think that it's like an energetic sort of healing that we have an opportunity to do and to connect. And all I want to do right now is tell stories that are relatable and too. You know, they're not the coolest stories, maybe you're the hippist or the ones that get the most attention, but they're the ones that make people feel like less alone. And right now, I just like that's so that's where I'm fitting in and with my job, and also you know, trying to raise two young women to look outside of themselves and look further than their immediate radius, and by the way, also also settle in and figure out how you can help the person that's sitting right next right next to you. Such a great honor to connect and it is a huge responsibility. And so you and I think as we get older we try to like protect our energy and our peace and all of that. Yeah, that's that is also a delicate dance. What do we have the bandwidth for? Yeah, that's I'm so grateful to be surrounded by such strong, connected, aware, awake people because it's like I got your back, you got mine, and will kind of carry the burden, you know, cover the terrain together.

Yeah. Yeah, And you know, I think I get what you mean. You know, we're so taught to not you know, praise what we do or whatever, but I do think it's important to love it. And I get that it's not rocket science, and I get that it's not curing cancer. But I've also sort of had to I had a friend say this to me. One of my best friends paid me a compliment and I did the thing that women are taught to do, and immediately, you know, self deprecated. And it happened to be a guy friend of mine, and he was like, this is so interesting to me that the difference, he said, do you not get that I'm essentially I'm giving you a gift. It's like if I handed you a present, and you immediately batted it back into my hands. It would be insulting. Why do you want to take this compliment and throw it right back at me and immediately delegitimize it. And I had to see that it could hurt someone else's feelings to realize I was actually in validate.

Yeah. Yeah, And you know, I think I get what you mean. You know, we're so taught to not you know, praise what we do or whatever, but I do think it's important to love it. And I get that it's not rocket science, and I get that it's not curing cancer. But I've also sort of had to I had a friend say this to me. One of my best friends paid me a compliment and I did the thing that women are taught to do, and immediately, you know, self deprecated. And it happened to be a guy friend of mine, and he was like, this is so interesting to me that the difference, he said, do you not get that I'm essentially I'm giving you a gift. It's like if I handed you a present, and you immediately batted it back into my hands. It would be insulting. Why do you want to take this compliment and throw it right back at me and immediately delegitimize it. And I had to see that it could hurt someone else's feelings to realize I was actually in validate.

My own Yes, and I think about that.

My own Yes, and I think about that.

In terms of our work, and I've this is such a gift of the experience that I've had with some of the wonderful people I've gotten to meet around the world who watch the things we make, and the number of people who've said, in one version or another, well, you might not be curing cancer, but I watched your show through my cancer treatment. I was just going to say that you might not be. And it's like, wait a second, Oh my god. Yes we get to encourage empathy. Yes, we get to step into other people's shoes. Yes, we might get to show audiences people they don't know and remind people that no one is other. But we also do get to walk through things with people that so many others don't. And when I went through my own period of what you're talking about, of going, oh, I love my job, but maybe I'm entering a phase in my life where it's not really for me. Yeah, what brought me back to how much I love my job and what makes me more excited than ever for all the things ahead was actually being reminded of how special and sacred our job is. When the making it and the things we've all as women been through on set hit a sort of breaking point for me, and I was like, I don't understand, Like, how can all these people stand around and watch and say nothing? How can this be acceptable or just the way it is? I think I need a minute, and I gave myself a minute, thank god. But what the beat taught me was like, oh, part of why I hate when it's not being treated properly, that the job, the environment, the women on the set, all of it under the hit umbrella. Be concluded, I guess it is because this is actually so special. It's such a privilege. We're so lucky to do this thing that connects us to people around the world. And like, in a way I had to lean out for a second, to lean in doubly.

In terms of our work, and I've this is such a gift of the experience that I've had with some of the wonderful people I've gotten to meet around the world who watch the things we make, and the number of people who've said, in one version or another, well, you might not be curing cancer, but I watched your show through my cancer treatment. I was just going to say that you might not be. And it's like, wait a second, Oh my god. Yes we get to encourage empathy. Yes, we get to step into other people's shoes. Yes, we might get to show audiences people they don't know and remind people that no one is other. But we also do get to walk through things with people that so many others don't. And when I went through my own period of what you're talking about, of going, oh, I love my job, but maybe I'm entering a phase in my life where it's not really for me. Yeah, what brought me back to how much I love my job and what makes me more excited than ever for all the things ahead was actually being reminded of how special and sacred our job is. When the making it and the things we've all as women been through on set hit a sort of breaking point for me, and I was like, I don't understand, Like, how can all these people stand around and watch and say nothing? How can this be acceptable or just the way it is? I think I need a minute, and I gave myself a minute, thank god. But what the beat taught me was like, oh, part of why I hate when it's not being treated properly, that the job, the environment, the women on the set, all of it under the hit umbrella. Be concluded, I guess it is because this is actually so special. It's such a privilege. We're so lucky to do this thing that connects us to people around the world. And like, in a way I had to lean out for a second, to lean in doubly.

It literally was the exact what I at twenty nineteen. It's exactly that realization for me. Wow, it was just my tank was empty, and then I got Sweet Magnolia. As they asked me to do this little show, I had no idea what to expect. I knew one of the directors on the show. I admired the women that had already been cast, and I was like, kind of one of those things for like three days, you have three days to decide. I had Sailor was a baby. I picked her up out of her cribs. I was like, Okay, I got to read these scripts today, and it totally reignited my commitment to what I think will be like the next twenty years of my career and how and knowing that, you know, telling stories that like I said, it's a sweet it's a show about friendship and women and sisterhood and family, but like there's so much truth to it. And it just was like the right at the right time, the right moment, the right time, and everything kind of came together and I was like, this is the type of storytelling. And in some ways, I feel like I had been putting that out there and like it was, you know, the law of attraction, like I was welcoming into my life. But I thought, no, this is it. This was an answer to a question that I had had that I did that I wasn't even articulating correctly, but it was just not settling. I wasn't in my in the flow. And now I feel one hundred percent the clarity is so there. Yeah, and it makes sense now.

It literally was the exact what I at twenty nineteen. It's exactly that realization for me. Wow, it was just my tank was empty, and then I got Sweet Magnolia. As they asked me to do this little show, I had no idea what to expect. I knew one of the directors on the show. I admired the women that had already been cast, and I was like, kind of one of those things for like three days, you have three days to decide. I had Sailor was a baby. I picked her up out of her cribs. I was like, Okay, I got to read these scripts today, and it totally reignited my commitment to what I think will be like the next twenty years of my career and how and knowing that, you know, telling stories that like I said, it's a sweet it's a show about friendship and women and sisterhood and family, but like there's so much truth to it. And it just was like the right at the right time, the right moment, the right time, and everything kind of came together and I was like, this is the type of storytelling. And in some ways, I feel like I had been putting that out there and like it was, you know, the law of attraction, like I was welcoming into my life. But I thought, no, this is it. This was an answer to a question that I had had that I did that I wasn't even articulating correctly, but it was just not settling. I wasn't in my in the flow. And now I feel one hundred percent the clarity is so there. Yeah, and it makes sense now.

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Interestingly, my brain was like, God, I get it. But also I missed the era because I was in North Carolina, Carolina. Yeah, I can see you guys like once a year when you would come in.

Interestingly, my brain was like, God, I get it. But also I missed the era because I was in North Carolina, Carolina. Yeah, I can see you guys like once a year when you would come in.

It's like at home totally. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point.

It's like at home totally. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point.

But the way you're talking about the show, it feels nostalgic. Yeah, and I wonder if maybe that's part of why it feels so special.

But the way you're talking about the show, it feels nostalgic. Yeah, and I wonder if maybe that's part of why it feels so special.

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Yeah, that's so cool.

Yeah, that's so cool.

Yeah, that's a great point. I'm going to marinate on that a little bit because actually that I feel like that kind of touches a little bit on my grief and where I've been in, you know, like my life is. The irony is that this incredible blessing came into my life at the same time that I experienced the most signial loss that I've ever even could have imagined. It was like damn, bam bam. I mean and talk about being untethered. You know, mom and dad are gone, grandmother's gone, Everyone's like there and I'm just like, okay, I'm here, and who's my anchor? You know. It was like really discombobulating, and so I feel like maybe it always kind of meant to be in that that I needed that like touch back to where a safer time and easier time, a special time I needed the balance.

Yeah, that's a great point. I'm going to marinate on that a little bit because actually that I feel like that kind of touches a little bit on my grief and where I've been in, you know, like my life is. The irony is that this incredible blessing came into my life at the same time that I experienced the most signial loss that I've ever even could have imagined. It was like damn, bam bam. I mean and talk about being untethered. You know, mom and dad are gone, grandmother's gone, Everyone's like there and I'm just like, okay, I'm here, and who's my anchor? You know. It was like really discombobulating, and so I feel like maybe it always kind of meant to be in that that I needed that like touch back to where a safer time and easier time, a special time I needed the balance.

How interesting that you were going through this seismic shift in your life, because I think, you know, I think about this a lot, you know, knock on wood, I'm I'm lucky to have both my parents, yes, And I think about I am aware already that there is a before and an after that when you lose your parents and you're just speaking. It's weird. We're having this sort of a cross time conversation in the present. You're you're speaking from the after, and as I'm listening to you, I'm like, well, no, wonder this amazing show about family and friendship came to.

How interesting that you were going through this seismic shift in your life, because I think, you know, I think about this a lot, you know, knock on wood, I'm I'm lucky to have both my parents, yes, And I think about I am aware already that there is a before and an after that when you lose your parents and you're just speaking. It's weird. We're having this sort of a cross time conversation in the present. You're you're speaking from the after, and as I'm listening to you, I'm like, well, no, wonder this amazing show about family and friendship came to.

You in this moment, Like, yeah, it saved me.

You in this moment, Like, yeah, it saved me.

For you to be able to be in that kind of arena of love and to process emotion and to just be present, It's like, Wow, what an amazing kind of gift it is.

For you to be able to be in that kind of arena of love and to process emotion and to just be present, It's like, Wow, what an amazing kind of gift it is.

And also one of my co stars has lost both had lost both of her parents too, and so few of my friends at like my age, our age, like, we don't we don't know that right, And I'll never forget this season. We were on set together. We both had our prop phones, which are obviously not connected at all, but we were talking and we both brought up our dads and we looked down at our prop phone and he said, oh my god, Brook, I said, the date my prop phone is the day that my dad died. And she looked down at her prop phone and her prop phone and it's the date that her dad died, and I was like, we just started to ball. I was, it was so beautiful and we just both said hi Dad, like we hear you, we see you, we feel you. But I it Yeah, and everything, I mean nothing is for no reason. All of every step along the way is a part of the big picture. And my only goal is to be you know, humble and aware enough to just or just I think just mostly just be aware of the importance of it.

And also one of my co stars has lost both had lost both of her parents too, and so few of my friends at like my age, our age, like, we don't we don't know that right, And I'll never forget this season. We were on set together. We both had our prop phones, which are obviously not connected at all, but we were talking and we both brought up our dads and we looked down at our prop phone and he said, oh my god, Brook, I said, the date my prop phone is the day that my dad died. And she looked down at her prop phone and her prop phone and it's the date that her dad died, and I was like, we just started to ball. I was, it was so beautiful and we just both said hi Dad, like we hear you, we see you, we feel you. But I it Yeah, and everything, I mean nothing is for no reason. All of every step along the way is a part of the big picture. And my only goal is to be you know, humble and aware enough to just or just I think just mostly just be aware of the importance of it.

Yeah, oh my god, that's so incredible. And for the folks at home, I realized we've gotten no surprise. Whenever I see it, I don't care if it's like a year or ti.

Yeah, oh my god, that's so incredible. And for the folks at home, I realized we've gotten no surprise. Whenever I see it, I don't care if it's like a year or ti.

We go so deep.

We go so deep.

We just start immediately like how's your heart? But for the for our friends at home, who you know, there's one million streamers and networks and things and whatever. If someone hasn't seen the show, can you tell them about it? And like, give us the lay of the land. Okay, I'm realizing I'm not doing my job and like, no, it's give me the project details. So I want to do it before we keep leaning into the surround the surrounding life.

We just start immediately like how's your heart? But for the for our friends at home, who you know, there's one million streamers and networks and things and whatever. If someone hasn't seen the show, can you tell them about it? And like, give us the lay of the land. Okay, I'm realizing I'm not doing my job and like, no, it's give me the project details. So I want to do it before we keep leaning into the surround the surrounding life.

Of course, Yes, sweet Mindalia is. It's on Netflix. It's based on three best childhood best friends. They're like sisters chosen family, and it's really about life. It's small towns. Small towns is called serenity. My husband leaves me for a much younger woman in episode one and you find out she's ultimately pregnant, and we go through this divorce, but there's this whole resurgence of you know, me finding love again and all of us just sort of navigating. There's you know, we deal with all different real life issues, you know, substance abuse and infidel and death and financial difficulties, job opportunities. It's really just a slice of life and about how you can be there for one another and really support each other. And it you know, there is an incredible amount of uh, you know, empathy and compassion and and you know, we don't shy away from dealing with the harder things, but we are always kind of the unity and coming together and that sense of community is always something that is really what I think is a constant theme. And I work with amazing, amazing writers and an incredible crew that has been with us since the beginning most most like the majority of our crew has been with us since the beginning. And and Heather Hedley and Brooke Elliott play my best friends and they are just so special to me. So it's really special.

Of course, Yes, sweet Mindalia is. It's on Netflix. It's based on three best childhood best friends. They're like sisters chosen family, and it's really about life. It's small towns. Small towns is called serenity. My husband leaves me for a much younger woman in episode one and you find out she's ultimately pregnant, and we go through this divorce, but there's this whole resurgence of you know, me finding love again and all of us just sort of navigating. There's you know, we deal with all different real life issues, you know, substance abuse and infidel and death and financial difficulties, job opportunities. It's really just a slice of life and about how you can be there for one another and really support each other. And it you know, there is an incredible amount of uh, you know, empathy and compassion and and you know, we don't shy away from dealing with the harder things, but we are always kind of the unity and coming together and that sense of community is always something that is really what I think is a constant theme. And I work with amazing, amazing writers and an incredible crew that has been with us since the beginning most most like the majority of our crew has been with us since the beginning. And and Heather Hedley and Brooke Elliott play my best friends and they are just so special to me. So it's really special.

That's so cool.

That's so cool.

It's a sweet shoe and it's one that I'm really really proud of and like you said, I meet people every single day, you know, you got me through my divorce, or I watched your show while I was in breast cancer treatments, and you know it, I do. I feel a great honor and I feel like I have just it does matter to me. It's funny so many people would be like it it bother you. Was at my daughter's cheer competition this weekend and one of the women was like, does it annoy you that people you know talk to you? I said, no, I'm like, I get it's an honor. It really is to just be able to say thank you so much for watching this, but also for sharing that piece of yourself. You know that that I'm grateful that I have been able to be a part of some difficult journeys and help, you know, walk that by the side totally.

It's a sweet shoe and it's one that I'm really really proud of and like you said, I meet people every single day, you know, you got me through my divorce, or I watched your show while I was in breast cancer treatments, and you know it, I do. I feel a great honor and I feel like I have just it does matter to me. It's funny so many people would be like it it bother you. Was at my daughter's cheer competition this weekend and one of the women was like, does it annoy you that people you know talk to you? I said, no, I'm like, I get it's an honor. It really is to just be able to say thank you so much for watching this, but also for sharing that piece of yourself. You know that that I'm grateful that I have been able to be a part of some difficult journeys and help, you know, walk that by the side totally.

I mean, it's so special and I think, you know, having people who can help you make sense of your experiences whatever they're about, right, like if it's a big life change or if it's great you dealing with the loss of your parents. I mean, I think about the community that I've had around me in the last couple of years when like, there's nothing quite so arresting as being like, oh, I've built I've built the life. I like, I made the list, I did the things everyone says, I did the manifestation stuff. I checked off all the boxes. And it's like someone pulls the floor out from under you and you're like, oh, none of it's real. Yeah, oh my god. Like when you start to sort of see things rather than like try to make them work, it's so arresting. And to have people go through it, you know, to watch people. Sometimes it's your friends on a show, or it's strangers on the show, or someone who writes a book or an article or whatever, and it simply by being familiar, it makes you feel less alone. And that is something I think is so special about your show. It gives me the same nostalgia that like my first show, I've now learned weirdly, like, as I've gotten to understand it through the fans and then gone back and rewatched it, I'm like, oh my god, I get it now.

I mean, it's so special and I think, you know, having people who can help you make sense of your experiences whatever they're about, right, like if it's a big life change or if it's great you dealing with the loss of your parents. I mean, I think about the community that I've had around me in the last couple of years when like, there's nothing quite so arresting as being like, oh, I've built I've built the life. I like, I made the list, I did the things everyone says, I did the manifestation stuff. I checked off all the boxes. And it's like someone pulls the floor out from under you and you're like, oh, none of it's real. Yeah, oh my god. Like when you start to sort of see things rather than like try to make them work, it's so arresting. And to have people go through it, you know, to watch people. Sometimes it's your friends on a show, or it's strangers on the show, or someone who writes a book or an article or whatever, and it simply by being familiar, it makes you feel less alone. And that is something I think is so special about your show. It gives me the same nostalgia that like my first show, I've now learned weirdly, like, as I've gotten to understand it through the fans and then gone back and rewatched it, I'm like, oh my god, I get it now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I didn't get it when I was making it, because when I was making it, I was like doing script breakdowns and you know, figuring out how to stay in the two shot correctly, but totally like a viewer, I get it, and it is something I think is so special.

I didn't get it when I was making it, because when I was making it, I was like doing script breakdowns and you know, figuring out how to stay in the two shot correctly, but totally like a viewer, I get it, and it is something I think is so special.

It is it really really is. It's a great, great gift and an honor. Do you feel like, I don't know why I'm hearing to say this out loud, but just and this is something that I think that is so special about you? And even just my husband having just briefly met you, he was like, she's such a like real human and powerful human and you're so special. And then do you feel like when you're like, I had all this list, these boxes, I checked them all off, did it? Did it? And it may have not been consistent with what your ultimate destination was, but did it make you feel really powerful and like key meal and strong? Okay?

It is it really really is. It's a great, great gift and an honor. Do you feel like, I don't know why I'm hearing to say this out loud, but just and this is something that I think that is so special about you? And even just my husband having just briefly met you, he was like, she's such a like real human and powerful human and you're so special. And then do you feel like when you're like, I had all this list, these boxes, I checked them all off, did it? Did it? And it may have not been consistent with what your ultimate destination was, but did it make you feel really powerful and like key meal and strong? Okay?

No, So what I think I had to realize is that much like and I know this isn't unique to me. I know we all do this, and particularly when you receive so much pushback for the quote specialness of your career, people are like, it's not special at all, And you know, whether they're calling us the Hollywood elite, where I'm like, do y' all know how unions work and it's not what you think it is? Or you know, they're they're saying, like whatever horrible thing they're saying. What I realized is the hyper sensitivity and the loneliness and the scars from like my own bullying and othering and whatever as a kid that I carried put me in a position of being so self deprecating that I actually re my quote specialness.

No, So what I think I had to realize is that much like and I know this isn't unique to me. I know we all do this, and particularly when you receive so much pushback for the quote specialness of your career, people are like, it's not special at all, And you know, whether they're calling us the Hollywood elite, where I'm like, do y' all know how unions work and it's not what you think it is? Or you know, they're they're saying, like whatever horrible thing they're saying. What I realized is the hyper sensitivity and the loneliness and the scars from like my own bullying and othering and whatever as a kid that I carried put me in a position of being so self deprecating that I actually re my quote specialness.

Yeah, I even have.

Yeah, I even have.

To like say quote specialness. I'm realizing I'm doing it in real time, Like this would be like why are you doing that?

To like say quote specialness. I'm realizing I'm doing it in real time, Like this would be like why are you doing that?

Why are you doing that? Don't do that?

Why are you doing that? Don't do that?

And so what I think it did was it made me say, oh, if this, if this is like the frequency I vibrate at, it makes people uncomfortable, so I'm going to need to be here.

And so what I think it did was it made me say, oh, if this, if this is like the frequency I vibrate at, it makes people uncomfortable, so I'm going to need to be here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I got so accustomed to dimming myself that I didn't even realize it made me an easy mark for people who were like, oh, that's our way in, for someone who could say like, oh, that's a way in where then I can kind of I can. I can help with the list, but I have I have an ulterior motive. Yeah, And the gift of the grief is that I finally tore up the list. Yeah, and it was like just like your phone and your coworker's phone for no good reason, in that exact moment, in real time, not like three weeks later, in that moment said here's a sign. It was like the moment I ripped it up, I was suddenly surrounded by people ripping theirs up too. Yeah, and it absolutely saved my life.

I got so accustomed to dimming myself that I didn't even realize it made me an easy mark for people who were like, oh, that's our way in, for someone who could say like, oh, that's a way in where then I can kind of I can. I can help with the list, but I have I have an ulterior motive. Yeah, And the gift of the grief is that I finally tore up the list. Yeah, and it was like just like your phone and your coworker's phone for no good reason, in that exact moment, in real time, not like three weeks later, in that moment said here's a sign. It was like the moment I ripped it up, I was suddenly surrounded by people ripping theirs up too. Yeah, and it absolutely saved my life.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

And I think when you can get on the other side of something and say like, oh, I'm actually grateful for even what was bad, Yeah, because it gave me the future good.

And I think when you can get on the other side of something and say like, oh, I'm actually grateful for even what was bad, Yeah, because it gave me the future good.

Well, that's yeah, that's the thing that it's like, it was all part of the journey, but god it is. Yeah. I mean you have to have gratitude for every all the steps you have to because and also a commitment to just staying awake and aware. I think that's the thing, is that you can have the twenty twenty, have the gratitude for all of that, and also the forgiveness. I feel like I really struggle with that with I hold onto these things that I are just such a waste of time. I'm tough on myself, and I think as of late I've been like, just speak easy on yourself. You know. I hold myself so deeply accountable that I would never do that to my husband or my or my best friends. I would be like, give yourself a break, and I don't. I don't do that well enough. That's I think, something that is in the present.

Well, that's yeah, that's the thing that it's like, it was all part of the journey, but god it is. Yeah. I mean you have to have gratitude for every all the steps you have to because and also a commitment to just staying awake and aware. I think that's the thing, is that you can have the twenty twenty, have the gratitude for all of that, and also the forgiveness. I feel like I really struggle with that with I hold onto these things that I are just such a waste of time. I'm tough on myself, and I think as of late I've been like, just speak easy on yourself. You know. I hold myself so deeply accountable that I would never do that to my husband or my or my best friends. I would be like, give yourself a break, and I don't. I don't do that well enough. That's I think, something that is in the present.

Happening for me right now and now for our sponsors. I used to sort of I used to say this thing, and then I realized I was wearing it as almost a badge of honor. That was so sad. I'd say, well, nobody's meaner to me than me. Oh, so it was like, oh, internet trolls, you think daari, I tap you. I trust me, Like this is child's play, honey. And then eventually I was like, wait, but why, Yeah, but why I And my word of the Year for twenty twenty four was gentleness. I was like, I have to find a gentleness, a tenderness. I have to I have to be willing to hold myself the way I hold other people, whether they're my best friends or someone I've barely known. And it really has helped me make such a shift, and in a weird way, it's made me a more hopeful person. Like it's made me understand the stories of people that I'm close to. You know that I might relate to like there's a reasurns out. There's a reason I related to love Warrior and then untamed so much. And then there's a reason that you know people I've known in this sphere. You know, some of my best friends who've been with their person since college, or some of the folks out in our world who have always been like a safe place to land for me, like you where I'll watch what your family's doing, and I'm like, I love that I know people where it's worked for so long, because that gives me hope, Like we talk about the next twenty years of our careers. When I look at certain stories like yours, or the sweetness of a family like yours or some of my other friends, I get to go like that feels fun for the next twenty years. Yeah, like ah, And I know people I can ask questions too about like when it worked, when they knew all the things. I don't know most people who met their person when we were like, you know, younger, all babies. I mean you guys, we were thirty working on Gossip Girl.

Happening for me right now and now for our sponsors. I used to sort of I used to say this thing, and then I realized I was wearing it as almost a badge of honor. That was so sad. I'd say, well, nobody's meaner to me than me. Oh, so it was like, oh, internet trolls, you think daari, I tap you. I trust me, Like this is child's play, honey. And then eventually I was like, wait, but why, Yeah, but why I And my word of the Year for twenty twenty four was gentleness. I was like, I have to find a gentleness, a tenderness. I have to I have to be willing to hold myself the way I hold other people, whether they're my best friends or someone I've barely known. And it really has helped me make such a shift, and in a weird way, it's made me a more hopeful person. Like it's made me understand the stories of people that I'm close to. You know that I might relate to like there's a reasurns out. There's a reason I related to love Warrior and then untamed so much. And then there's a reason that you know people I've known in this sphere. You know, some of my best friends who've been with their person since college, or some of the folks out in our world who have always been like a safe place to land for me, like you where I'll watch what your family's doing, and I'm like, I love that I know people where it's worked for so long, because that gives me hope, Like we talk about the next twenty years of our careers. When I look at certain stories like yours, or the sweetness of a family like yours or some of my other friends, I get to go like that feels fun for the next twenty years. Yeah, like ah, And I know people I can ask questions too about like when it worked, when they knew all the things. I don't know most people who met their person when we were like, you know, younger, all babies. I mean you guys, we were thirty working on Gossip Girl.

Right, Yes, Like it's such a time in my.

Right, Yes, Like it's such a time in my.

Brain, you know, wild, and it's so I don't know, it's so cool I'm like, oh man, it's nice to kind of see that. No matter what, whether you've had certain things figured out for a long time or you're just figuring them out now, you've got people to lean on who've been in their own parts of that journey. It's never too late ever and for anything, Yeah, for anything. And also there's a million people who've done this before you, so you have you have people to lean on.

Brain, you know, wild, and it's so I don't know, it's so cool I'm like, oh man, it's nice to kind of see that. No matter what, whether you've had certain things figured out for a long time or you're just figuring them out now, you've got people to lean on who've been in their own parts of that journey. It's never too late ever and for anything, Yeah, for anything. And also there's a million people who've done this before you, so you have you have people to lean on.

I just told my friend this who just had a baby a couple days ago. I said, I promise you my kids may have not gone through it, but someone I know has, so just holler. You know, I'd be like, oh, I don't know about that diaper rash, but let me like, let me, let's take a picture of it. I think I have a mom friend that you know, it's that kind of connectivity. But also talking about relationships and sharing the realities of like marriage and that type of partnerships and the highs and the lows and you know the truth to that. I think that's also really important because you know, your word was gentleness for twenty twenty four, mine was clarity. I experienced. It's just like there was a relationship in my life that was starting to feel I was a friendship and it just was starting to feel mess See, it was starting to feel blurry, and I hadn't had that in a really long time, and I just really needed that sense of clarity. And for me, it was all just about authenticity. And my husband and I talk about it all the time. I'm like, you could be whoever you want to be, good, bad, ugly, honestly, Well it's irrelevant, but just show me who you are so I know what I'm working with, you know whether and and I don't. The smoke and mirrors was just a really uneasy place for me and just not living that truth and authenticity and so clarity for me was my big thing where I was like, let's put things a little bit more in focus. Things felt a little bit blurry for me. But I do think that you know, I've been with Nick fifteen years. Yeah, and we've had a lot happen. I mean, credible highs, professionally, personally, desperate lows, deep loss, not understanding each other in those moments, grieving differently, you know, him retiring, and how we related to each other, him being a thirty five year old man that was used to trotting out on a field one hundred and sixty two games a year to great fanfare, and all of a sudden, it's like, are you gonna make that lunch? The girls? Lunches need to be made? Can you feed the dogs? Like not that he didn't do that before, but it felt like that was sort of it was a huge rock for us, like it rocked us. It rocked him and rocked you know. And so I think just there is such a beauty to be able to connect authentic, authentically and work with that deep truth and just real and be raw and real and like doing it together and learning from one another, you know, because not one person can fill all all the holes. I'm married to like four people, my girlfriends, you know, like yeah, my career in some ways, I'm married to Nack, like I've like in a lot of ways, I have this like deep genuine commitment to so many things in my life. And so it is it is nice to be able to just that's what like doing life together is, And that's what I want my children to see. I want them to have those people in their lives that they feel safe with, that can that they've seen live and walk the walk and do all of those things and be able to connect with and learn from and you know, not be everything for all of you. Know I don't. I can't be everything for them.

I just told my friend this who just had a baby a couple days ago. I said, I promise you my kids may have not gone through it, but someone I know has, so just holler. You know, I'd be like, oh, I don't know about that diaper rash, but let me like, let me, let's take a picture of it. I think I have a mom friend that you know, it's that kind of connectivity. But also talking about relationships and sharing the realities of like marriage and that type of partnerships and the highs and the lows and you know the truth to that. I think that's also really important because you know, your word was gentleness for twenty twenty four, mine was clarity. I experienced. It's just like there was a relationship in my life that was starting to feel I was a friendship and it just was starting to feel mess See, it was starting to feel blurry, and I hadn't had that in a really long time, and I just really needed that sense of clarity. And for me, it was all just about authenticity. And my husband and I talk about it all the time. I'm like, you could be whoever you want to be, good, bad, ugly, honestly, Well it's irrelevant, but just show me who you are so I know what I'm working with, you know whether and and I don't. The smoke and mirrors was just a really uneasy place for me and just not living that truth and authenticity and so clarity for me was my big thing where I was like, let's put things a little bit more in focus. Things felt a little bit blurry for me. But I do think that you know, I've been with Nick fifteen years. Yeah, and we've had a lot happen. I mean, credible highs, professionally, personally, desperate lows, deep loss, not understanding each other in those moments, grieving differently, you know, him retiring, and how we related to each other, him being a thirty five year old man that was used to trotting out on a field one hundred and sixty two games a year to great fanfare, and all of a sudden, it's like, are you gonna make that lunch? The girls? Lunches need to be made? Can you feed the dogs? Like not that he didn't do that before, but it felt like that was sort of it was a huge rock for us, like it rocked us. It rocked him and rocked you know. And so I think just there is such a beauty to be able to connect authentic, authentically and work with that deep truth and just real and be raw and real and like doing it together and learning from one another, you know, because not one person can fill all all the holes. I'm married to like four people, my girlfriends, you know, like yeah, my career in some ways, I'm married to Nack, like I've like in a lot of ways, I have this like deep genuine commitment to so many things in my life. And so it is it is nice to be able to just that's what like doing life together is, And that's what I want my children to see. I want them to have those people in their lives that they feel safe with, that can that they've seen live and walk the walk and do all of those things and be able to connect with and learn from and you know, not be everything for all of you. Know I don't. I can't be everything for them.

Of course, it's really interesting. It kind of hits me as you're talking about this because fifteen years for you guys together is it's such an enormous chunk of life, right, and as you said, you've seen each other through so many things. Hillary and I talk about this a lot. I mean, all of us, you know from our first show do, but particularly she and I will talk a lot about how we had all these hunches as young people, and some of them were right and some of them are wrong, and you know, thank god we've all been able to grow up together. But part of my brain in hearing you talk about your marriage and all these life stages and parenting and all these life stages and the sort of stages of career is I'm like, oh my god, do you think part of the reason that you've been so wise in terms of how to ride those waves and what a life looks like is because you, like you kind of instead of growing up just with your peers, right, like we were essentially teenagers on a team TV shower like you also grew.

Of course, it's really interesting. It kind of hits me as you're talking about this because fifteen years for you guys together is it's such an enormous chunk of life, right, and as you said, you've seen each other through so many things. Hillary and I talk about this a lot. I mean, all of us, you know from our first show do, but particularly she and I will talk a lot about how we had all these hunches as young people, and some of them were right and some of them are wrong, and you know, thank god we've all been able to grow up together. But part of my brain in hearing you talk about your marriage and all these life stages and parenting and all these life stages and the sort of stages of career is I'm like, oh my god, do you think part of the reason that you've been so wise in terms of how to ride those waves and what a life looks like is because you, like you kind of instead of growing up just with your peers, right, like we were essentially teenagers on a team TV shower like you also grew.

Up with Reba.

Up with Reba.

You grew up with an intergenerational mentor you know, this powerful woman who was older and wiser and had been through all the things, and talk about somebody who knows how to navigate, you know, a big life and a public life as a mom. Now do you kind of look back on her playing your TV mom and go, oh my god, she taught me so much that I didn't even realize at the time, or did you realize it?

You grew up with an intergenerational mentor you know, this powerful woman who was older and wiser and had been through all the things, and talk about somebody who knows how to navigate, you know, a big life and a public life as a mom. Now do you kind of look back on her playing your TV mom and go, oh my god, she taught me so much that I didn't even realize at the time, or did you realize it?

I realized it. Yeah, okay. And by the way, I don't know, because you would have to ask her too, Chris, I'm sure. And there was there was times where, you know, I was a kid on you know, her show, like Steve and I were just bumbling around like Ding Dong's you know, yeah, and every and and Chris Rich the guy that plays the man that played my dad on the show, and wilst petermant too, like they they just always reminded us of how special like the opportunity was because we were this was our first show, and you know, He's like, this doesn't come around very often, so just remember that. But Reva, to this day, I mean, we are so interconnected and we are constant communication all of us that we have your little group chat and we talk all the time, and we you know in many ways, like I know when I send them a picture of I'm anna cry saying this, but I know that when I send them like the picture of my kid at the cheer competition, and they're really excited to get it. Yeah, and that is having lost two people that are really excited to get those things, like the parents, the grandparents. You know, yeah, it's really special to have that. And I can't believe I'm crying. It's okay, but yeah, Like and Riba talk about authenticity, like never there is no heir to her, no pretense, there's no a superstar, even though she's so undeniably a superstar, she has lived her life with such honesty and absolutely and I'm sure that there were times where I know there were times you know, a soul crush, soul crushing grief and you know, loss of things, and but she's so she is so hopeful, like watching her fall in love again with Rex, and uh, like a kid, like a schoolgirl. You know, it's like to be able to look back on your life and and just say, you know, no matter what life threw at me. I kind of grabbed it by the horns and made the best of it and also remained like excited and exuberant and joyful. And so did she teach me what it was what it meant to be a graceful leading lady and a powerful business woman who knew her worth and a kind icon, yes, and spades. But what also I thought was so special is so special about hers that she's just so darn feel and humble and and good. And she walked as a bridesmaid in my wedding.

I realized it. Yeah, okay. And by the way, I don't know, because you would have to ask her too, Chris, I'm sure. And there was there was times where, you know, I was a kid on you know, her show, like Steve and I were just bumbling around like Ding Dong's you know, yeah, and every and and Chris Rich the guy that plays the man that played my dad on the show, and wilst petermant too, like they they just always reminded us of how special like the opportunity was because we were this was our first show, and you know, He's like, this doesn't come around very often, so just remember that. But Reva, to this day, I mean, we are so interconnected and we are constant communication all of us that we have your little group chat and we talk all the time, and we you know in many ways, like I know when I send them a picture of I'm anna cry saying this, but I know that when I send them like the picture of my kid at the cheer competition, and they're really excited to get it. Yeah, and that is having lost two people that are really excited to get those things, like the parents, the grandparents. You know, yeah, it's really special to have that. And I can't believe I'm crying. It's okay, but yeah, Like and Riba talk about authenticity, like never there is no heir to her, no pretense, there's no a superstar, even though she's so undeniably a superstar, she has lived her life with such honesty and absolutely and I'm sure that there were times where I know there were times you know, a soul crush, soul crushing grief and you know, loss of things, and but she's so she is so hopeful, like watching her fall in love again with Rex, and uh, like a kid, like a schoolgirl. You know, it's like to be able to look back on your life and and just say, you know, no matter what life threw at me. I kind of grabbed it by the horns and made the best of it and also remained like excited and exuberant and joyful. And so did she teach me what it was what it meant to be a graceful leading lady and a powerful business woman who knew her worth and a kind icon, yes, and spades. But what also I thought was so special is so special about hers that she's just so darn feel and humble and and good. And she walked as a bridesmaid in my wedding.

You know, I'll ask you about that, come on, Yeah, you know cool, yeah, so cool.

You know, I'll ask you about that, come on, Yeah, you know cool, yeah, so cool.

Very special.

Very special.

I mean, because you've had such an amazing career, do you think having mentors like hers and the community that you have has that kind of helped you navigate how to do this stuff, how to be in this for the long haul.

I mean, because you've had such an amazing career, do you think having mentors like hers and the community that you have has that kind of helped you navigate how to do this stuff, how to be in this for the long haul.

Yeah. I feel really lucky, Like looking at the people that I've come across and the people like that have been a part of my team, like my my people there, my family, and and so I feel like I have been you know, on Riva when we started that, oh, it was really popular to be like super skinny, and you know, all of these things and I remember our producers were like you. They said to me, there, Joey, you were so beautiful. They were like, please, don't change the only thing they asked that Steve and I didn't have sex. They're like, it'll ruin everything, just don't hook up love. I was like, okay.

Yeah. I feel really lucky, Like looking at the people that I've come across and the people like that have been a part of my team, like my my people there, my family, and and so I feel like I have been you know, on Riva when we started that, oh, it was really popular to be like super skinny, and you know, all of these things and I remember our producers were like you. They said to me, there, Joey, you were so beautiful. They were like, please, don't change the only thing they asked that Steve and I didn't have sex. They're like, it'll ruin everything, just don't hook up love. I was like, okay.

Meanwhile, we had producers begging everyone to fall in love with each other so that no one would ever want to leave the show or ask for our raise, and our producers were trying to sleep with us at the same time. What a fun zone.

Meanwhile, we had producers begging everyone to fall in love with each other so that no one would ever want to leave the show or ask for our raise, and our producers were trying to sleep with us at the same time. What a fun zone.

That would have been something to navigate some toxicrabbing bulls by the horns.

That would have been something to navigate some toxicrabbing bulls by the horns.

No, so toxic and by the way, like how I wish we had been protected by like shooting on the Warner Brothers line. I know, being isolated because for us, And again I feel like she's coming up for me so much. She's she's my Reba. Hillary and I talk about this all the time because she left the show first and when she went to work on White Collar shell me and she was like, girl, it is so different, Like I'm freaking out. And I was like, I'm trying to make it different here and like I'm being told I'm difficult. Yes, because I'm being like, don't touch the girls at work, boss man, Like it was so wild and it really was such a lifeline for me to hear than in other places it was going differently. Yeah, And I'm like, I don't know, I love I love hearing stories like the one you're telling that you had such good, protective bosses who mentored you instead of trying to take advantage of you. Like more of that, please? Good God?

No, so toxic and by the way, like how I wish we had been protected by like shooting on the Warner Brothers line. I know, being isolated because for us, And again I feel like she's coming up for me so much. She's she's my Reba. Hillary and I talk about this all the time because she left the show first and when she went to work on White Collar shell me and she was like, girl, it is so different, Like I'm freaking out. And I was like, I'm trying to make it different here and like I'm being told I'm difficult. Yes, because I'm being like, don't touch the girls at work, boss man, Like it was so wild and it really was such a lifeline for me to hear than in other places it was going differently. Yeah, And I'm like, I don't know, I love I love hearing stories like the one you're telling that you had such good, protective bosses who mentored you instead of trying to take advantage of you. Like more of that, please? Good God?

I know. But don't you feel now that you've gone on to lead other shows that you can bring that goodness? Oh? Yeah, because I do feel a sense of a huge sense of responsibility to move forward and like where where I have been given the opportunity to set the tone and sort of, you know, help create a culture that it's like for me, I was able to bring what I saw this extraordinary woman and what she's capable of doing and what she does just so effortlessly. I was able to bring all of that to my jobs and still do to this day. I mean, oftentimes I'll be like Ria McIntyre doesn't even do stuff like that. In my head, I'll be like, you know, like, yes, you can't act like that, you.