In the mitochondrias all from mom, so you get your mother's bio energetic genes. This is why we get so much autism with each generation, because moms are not healthy anymore.

In the mitochondrias all from mom, so you get your mother's bio energetic genes. This is why we get so much autism with each generation, because moms are not healthy anymore.

Everyone.

Everyone.

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Hey, everybody, welcome to part two of the podcast with Christa.

Hey, everybody, welcome to part two of the podcast with Christa.

Bell, where we explore the magic of your mitochondria and a little bit more detail and importantly get to actionable strategies that everybody can do to improve their mitochondrial function and therefore their overall physical and mental health.

Bell, where we explore the magic of your mitochondria and a little bit more detail and importantly get to actionable strategies that everybody can do to improve their mitochondrial function and therefore their overall physical and mental health.

Enjoy going to get pretty complicated here because we're going.

Enjoy going to get pretty complicated here because we're going.

To talk about complex four.

To talk about complex four.

We're going to talk about critosome seoxides, But listeners just hang with us here.

We're going to talk about critosome seoxides, But listeners just hang with us here.

This will get a little bit technical.

This will get a little bit technical.

But for me, I mean I've only really dug into the impact of light, red light and particularly near infra red light on our health and particularly mitochondria in the last couple of years.

But for me, I mean I've only really dug into the impact of light, red light and particularly near infra red light on our health and particularly mitochondria in the last couple of years.

Talk to our.

Talk to our.

Listeners through this because it's pretty freaking fascinating.

Listeners through this because it's pretty freaking fascinating.

Well, I think you're probably going to tell us more than what I can tell you, Paul, because I'm not across all of the light spectral frequencies that do the different things in the cyt currency of todays and so on, I usually refer to my good friend and colleague Nathan Styles. Have you heard him speak? So he is my light light, my spectral light frequency, and I've got all his slides and all the different amazing frequencies that trigger everything across the sun, all the light frequencies as the sun moves across the sky. And nature is amazing because it's so specific, Like every single frequency has got a receptor in our body across different protein receptor sites, hormones, they look like certain nutrients. They trigger these pathways that pathways. You can bring it down all to which light frequency as to what metabolic pathways you want to trigger. So I don't have all the numbers and the receptors and things in my head. I just know that we need to be exposed to the light across the whole spectrum.

Well, I think you're probably going to tell us more than what I can tell you, Paul, because I'm not across all of the light spectral frequencies that do the different things in the cyt currency of todays and so on, I usually refer to my good friend and colleague Nathan Styles. Have you heard him speak? So he is my light light, my spectral light frequency, and I've got all his slides and all the different amazing frequencies that trigger everything across the sun, all the light frequencies as the sun moves across the sky. And nature is amazing because it's so specific, Like every single frequency has got a receptor in our body across different protein receptor sites, hormones, they look like certain nutrients. They trigger these pathways that pathways. You can bring it down all to which light frequency as to what metabolic pathways you want to trigger. So I don't have all the numbers and the receptors and things in my head. I just know that we need to be exposed to the light across the whole spectrum.

Yeah, I'm professor kront school. Thing.

Yeah, I'm professor kront school. Thing.

He sent me a paper that just blew my mind that shows that light actually has quantum effects on ourselves. Right, so we know it stimulates the mitochondria, does lots. You know, vitamin D. Everybody knows Sunlight's really important. But as you say, the different colors are different frequencies in light. We now I know that red lights, I think it's like sticks under the seven seven point fifty is really good for the skin. And then the near infra red stuff actually penetrates the skin and stimulates the mitochondria, and particularly I think it's complex for the mitochondria, gets the mitochondria to then release nitric oxide, helps with the respiratory chine antiox and anti inflammatory. Like, it's crazy. Shit, what light can do in the body.

He sent me a paper that just blew my mind that shows that light actually has quantum effects on ourselves. Right, so we know it stimulates the mitochondria, does lots. You know, vitamin D. Everybody knows Sunlight's really important. But as you say, the different colors are different frequencies in light. We now I know that red lights, I think it's like sticks under the seven seven point fifty is really good for the skin. And then the near infra red stuff actually penetrates the skin and stimulates the mitochondria, and particularly I think it's complex for the mitochondria, gets the mitochondria to then release nitric oxide, helps with the respiratory chine antiox and anti inflammatory. Like, it's crazy. Shit, what light can do in the body.

Is It is crazy. It's a different color for each of the electron transport chains, and.

Is It is crazy. It's a different color for each of the electron transport chains, and.

I never thought about it like that.

I never thought about it like that.

Okay, so it's I just wanted to laugh when you said about the red light with skin because I've been watching this. I mean I've been look I've been into light for about ten years and looking at Michael Webber's light treatments. We do intravenous light therapy the light. Intravenous light therapy goes across all the spectrums of the colors of the light to feed the CREB cycle, the different electron transport chain stuff like that. It's anyway, it's all good fun. The Germans have been looking at it for ages, you know, Michael Webber, and we've been looking at it with complex conditions, neological diseases. How do you solve all these difficult problems?

Okay, so it's I just wanted to laugh when you said about the red light with skin because I've been watching this. I mean I've been look I've been into light for about ten years and looking at Michael Webber's light treatments. We do intravenous light therapy the light. Intravenous light therapy goes across all the spectrums of the colors of the light to feed the CREB cycle, the different electron transport chain stuff like that. It's anyway, it's all good fun. The Germans have been looking at it for ages, you know, Michael Webber, and we've been looking at it with complex conditions, neological diseases. How do you solve all these difficult problems?

But I love it that it's the skin that everyone is suddenly Wow, did you know red light's so good?

But I love it that it's the skin that everyone is suddenly Wow, did you know red light's so good?

Because you look your skin looks so good? Like, yes, I should have started with the skin in the first place, not all these difficult unseen things. But anyway, that all the different colors, all the different spectral frequencies, even in each band of color, speaks even more deeply, not just the mitochondria and energy, but also to different receptor sites a US saying in our cells, our hormones, all these different metabolic pathways. And the other week I was reading this amazing paper. It's I think it's already two or three years old. They're talking about optogenetic light switches. So they're studying different light frequencies to switch on and switch off mitochondrial light receptors, so optogenetic switches. So they're going to find exactly the frequency to turn on your metabolism so that you can burn that faster and do this and do that better. Like I can't wait till that comes out. But then I don't think Big Farmer is going to be able to capture that one, you.

Because you look your skin looks so good? Like, yes, I should have started with the skin in the first place, not all these difficult unseen things. But anyway, that all the different colors, all the different spectral frequencies, even in each band of color, speaks even more deeply, not just the mitochondria and energy, but also to different receptor sites a US saying in our cells, our hormones, all these different metabolic pathways. And the other week I was reading this amazing paper. It's I think it's already two or three years old. They're talking about optogenetic light switches. So they're studying different light frequencies to switch on and switch off mitochondrial light receptors, so optogenetic switches. So they're going to find exactly the frequency to turn on your metabolism so that you can burn that faster and do this and do that better. Like I can't wait till that comes out. But then I don't think Big Farmer is going to be able to capture that one, you.

Know, genesis that really like it's there's depths to this, Clearly there's levels to this, and yeah, some of the research, but just understanding that the light can actually penetrate the body and directly activate the mighty quandary is pretty amazing. And as you said, hormones and all sorts of stuff, and this is why it's important to get out into the friggin sun.

Know, genesis that really like it's there's depths to this, Clearly there's levels to this, and yeah, some of the research, but just understanding that the light can actually penetrate the body and directly activate the mighty quandary is pretty amazing. And as you said, hormones and all sorts of stuff, and this is why it's important to get out into the friggin sun.

Right.

Right.

I think we've gone too far in this country with the slop slip. I always get that wrong slip stop slop, slop stop slip, whatever it is.

I think we've gone too far in this country with the slop slip. I always get that wrong slip stop slop, slop stop slip, whatever it is.

But you know the fact that I think it's more than thirty percent of austreamings. You might know the number better than me, but a.

But you know the fact that I think it's more than thirty percent of austreamings. You might know the number better than me, but a.

Vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency. I mean, it's comparable to Bloody Scotland and Northern Highland for this justin fragginshy. But people don't realize the imp it's not just strenam indeed, but it's just the impact on hormones, in the impact of mitochondria. With saying impacts on mood or metabolic heals all of these things right.

Vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency. I mean, it's comparable to Bloody Scotland and Northern Highland for this justin fragginshy. But people don't realize the imp it's not just strenam indeed, but it's just the impact on hormones, in the impact of mitochondria. With saying impacts on mood or metabolic heals all of these things right.

Indeed, I mean that's been the big focus of a lot of my misochondrial talks in the last several years, is just get your light environment right as a starting point, because also I think that it is a very good opening point, you know how, and you do something maybe more high up rather than top down. Then if you get that, well you do something more top down rather than bottom up. I'm meant, then that top down signal can help a lot of levels below. And I think I think that light is just that huge top down signal. And I see that in my patients. I say to them, look apart from the sunrise the sunset, go outside. I say to people, please clock in through the day, literally clock in. Get your eyes to see the sun. That tells your brain, clock, your cicading rhythm, what time it is, that sets up your metabolism and so on. But also just you know that light going in through your eyes, which is well your photo most of your photo receptors are through your eyes. Chuck away your sunglasses. That's what I hate seeing people wearing sunglasses and that body clock. So what I was saying is, if we get the light environment right, what I found I see in my patients is they just naturally start to be able to do the next thing I'm asking them to do. Start to move, start to exercise. Oh, you're suddenly motivated to get your diet better. Whereas before we like having to hammer this thing. But if you can get some top down signals right, and people just innately inside them feel better because this whole sensory environment how I experience myself, my body, my light, my space just feels better. It's like, oh now I feel like doing this, Now I feel like doing that. I found that things just unfold better. So I always insist on the enlightened environment with my patients. And then in my lectures, yes, I can go on about mitochondria pathways, but in the end, can you just go home and fix your lighting?

Indeed, I mean that's been the big focus of a lot of my misochondrial talks in the last several years, is just get your light environment right as a starting point, because also I think that it is a very good opening point, you know how, and you do something maybe more high up rather than top down. Then if you get that, well you do something more top down rather than bottom up. I'm meant, then that top down signal can help a lot of levels below. And I think I think that light is just that huge top down signal. And I see that in my patients. I say to them, look apart from the sunrise the sunset, go outside. I say to people, please clock in through the day, literally clock in. Get your eyes to see the sun. That tells your brain, clock, your cicading rhythm, what time it is, that sets up your metabolism and so on. But also just you know that light going in through your eyes, which is well your photo most of your photo receptors are through your eyes. Chuck away your sunglasses. That's what I hate seeing people wearing sunglasses and that body clock. So what I was saying is, if we get the light environment right, what I found I see in my patients is they just naturally start to be able to do the next thing I'm asking them to do. Start to move, start to exercise. Oh, you're suddenly motivated to get your diet better. Whereas before we like having to hammer this thing. But if you can get some top down signals right, and people just innately inside them feel better because this whole sensory environment how I experience myself, my body, my light, my space just feels better. It's like, oh now I feel like doing this, Now I feel like doing that. I found that things just unfold better. So I always insist on the enlightened environment with my patients. And then in my lectures, yes, I can go on about mitochondria pathways, but in the end, can you just go home and fix your lighting?

Yeah? Yeah, I never thought about it from a top time perspective. Actually, that's a that's a really good point at the fundamentals, right, and things flow. I need to diet more into like I do want to talk about because when you mentioned it, I'm like, oh, that sounds pretty interesting my to con psychobiology.

Yeah? Yeah, I never thought about it from a top time perspective. Actually, that's a that's a really good point at the fundamentals, right, and things flow. I need to diet more into like I do want to talk about because when you mentioned it, I'm like, oh, that sounds pretty interesting my to con psychobiology.

Yes, let's talk about that. And then just with what you just said, I was wanting to say that, Yeah, that top down is really about how your brain feels and senses the world that we live in. Let's go out in nature, let's get the light. That's all a very sensory, very lived experience. You can't read that in a book, you can't just watch that on TV. Like. You have to move it, you have to live it, you have to smell it, you have to feel it. And light is a sensory input. So the brain is a sensory organ And just as you move your muscles for plasticity of your muscles and mitobiogenesis of the mitochondria in your muscles, you want to put a lot of those inputs into your brain for that plasticity and experience of your brain in the same way that you experience your body and your muscles and the whole sensory motor input through your postures and your actions and so on. So, right, sound your thoughts, what people say to you, what you're listening to. Is your TV on in the background, Is CNN telling you.

Yes, let's talk about that. And then just with what you just said, I was wanting to say that, Yeah, that top down is really about how your brain feels and senses the world that we live in. Let's go out in nature, let's get the light. That's all a very sensory, very lived experience. You can't read that in a book, you can't just watch that on TV. Like. You have to move it, you have to live it, you have to smell it, you have to feel it. And light is a sensory input. So the brain is a sensory organ And just as you move your muscles for plasticity of your muscles and mitobiogenesis of the mitochondria in your muscles, you want to put a lot of those inputs into your brain for that plasticity and experience of your brain in the same way that you experience your body and your muscles and the whole sensory motor input through your postures and your actions and so on. So, right, sound your thoughts, what people say to you, what you're listening to. Is your TV on in the background, Is CNN telling you.

All the awful negative shit?

All the awful negative shit?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's inputs, right, it's inputs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's inputs, right, it's inputs.

Yeah. So sensory input, I think is a big part of what you want to lead to, which is mitochondrial psychobiology. So mitochondrial psychobiology is Martin Picard's lab. Martin Picard is a wonderful mitochondrial researcher as well. He was Doug Wallace's PhD student. Doug Wallace was the mitochondrial researcher that understood that mitochondria will maternally inherited, so we get them purely from our mothers.

Yeah. So sensory input, I think is a big part of what you want to lead to, which is mitochondrial psychobiology. So mitochondrial psychobiology is Martin Picard's lab. Martin Picard is a wonderful mitochondrial researcher as well. He was Doug Wallace's PhD student. Doug Wallace was the mitochondrial researcher that understood that mitochondria will maternally inherited, so we get them purely from our mothers.

Oh, that's right, I forgot about that. You said that in your talk. It's mum that passes on the mitochondria, right, because their genes are independent.

Oh, that's right, I forgot about that. You said that in your talk. It's mum that passes on the mitochondria, right, because their genes are independent.

That's right. So you get well from the nuclear genetics one from one from dad, but in the mitochondrids or from mom, so you get your you get your mother's bio energetic genes. And that's why it's very common to see through family history it's the moms and the daughters that have the chronic fatigue that have that the different fatigue type syndromes. And then also I think that this would be related that you know, this is why we get so much autism with each generation because moms are not healthy anymore and we're having babies older and older. I get that that is a whole modern lifestyle decision. But nature and modern lifestyles, that's your mismatch. That is what Robert Navio talks about. It's a mitochondrial environmental mismatch. One was through nature was doing this, but in modern day we're doing that. And so that whole mismatch is that, you know, we were supposed to probably have babies in our teens and twenties when the mitochondrias are really young, and don't have not young young, but you know, don't have as much mutation and don't have as much heteroplasma which I mentioned, which is simply environmental toxins and radiations and the normal environmental stress which would normally mutate on mitochondrial genes. That's normal, but the accumulation of it over decades and then having a baby at forty that's stressful for the next generation.

That's right. So you get well from the nuclear genetics one from one from dad, but in the mitochondrids or from mom, so you get your you get your mother's bio energetic genes. And that's why it's very common to see through family history it's the moms and the daughters that have the chronic fatigue that have that the different fatigue type syndromes. And then also I think that this would be related that you know, this is why we get so much autism with each generation because moms are not healthy anymore and we're having babies older and older. I get that that is a whole modern lifestyle decision. But nature and modern lifestyles, that's your mismatch. That is what Robert Navio talks about. It's a mitochondrial environmental mismatch. One was through nature was doing this, but in modern day we're doing that. And so that whole mismatch is that, you know, we were supposed to probably have babies in our teens and twenties when the mitochondrias are really young, and don't have not young young, but you know, don't have as much mutation and don't have as much heteroplasma which I mentioned, which is simply environmental toxins and radiations and the normal environmental stress which would normally mutate on mitochondrial genes. That's normal, but the accumulation of it over decades and then having a baby at forty that's stressful for the next generation.

Interesting because there was some recent research that I read I think I talked about in the podcast and I can't remember the number, but maternal overWe it it's significantly impacting upon autism spectrum disorders and other things like ADHD. And that makes sense from what you just said, is that especially.

Interesting because there was some recent research that I read I think I talked about in the podcast and I can't remember the number, but maternal overWe it it's significantly impacting upon autism spectrum disorders and other things like ADHD. And that makes sense from what you just said, is that especially.

You know, we have declining health. We are more and more over weird.

You know, we have declining health. We are more and more over weird.

But as you said, women are tending to have child help children later. And then not only do you everybody know who said it's a lot harder to states tram and fit in your thirties and thirties and forties than it is when you're in your teens and early twenties. But I didn't think about the cumulative damage at a cellular level and on the mitochondria. And presumably then there's some sort of epigenetic effects from the mitoch It's not just the genes that are going but an epigenetic effect from the mitochondria perspective.

But as you said, women are tending to have child help children later. And then not only do you everybody know who said it's a lot harder to states tram and fit in your thirties and thirties and forties than it is when you're in your teens and early twenties. But I didn't think about the cumulative damage at a cellular level and on the mitochondria. And presumably then there's some sort of epigenetic effects from the mitoch It's not just the genes that are going but an epigenetic effect from the mitochondria perspective.

Yeah, so the epigenetic effect of our lifestyle, our artificial light, blue light, toxic stress, you know, five G radiation, Those are all the sorts of things that are stressful on genes. So then when the mother's mitochondrial genes and epigenetics are not that healthy and they're passing that all down to the next generation, and what's happening to the generation after that, that is the epigenetics going on in the mitochondria. And that's why we're seeing more and more allergies, autism, add ADHD, autoimmune So those are the five a's that in environmental medicine we talk about a lot, and this is all very well established, very well known in environmental medicine in the last few decades. I'm just bringing the focus more to it's the effect through the mitochondrial genetics too, because when you've got heteroplasmi, which is when the mitochondrial genes mutate, they can change back. They change and change back all the time. They're very they're very plastic. So it's just the true epigenetics that integrated doctors like us like to talk about, is that you can change your environment and your whole condition and your whole health outcomes will be completely different. It's it is quite plastic, but at that mitochondria level, I think it's even more plastic. But it's plastic through generations. So it's like nether lives their life well through a whole life lifetime and has a baby well, and then that child grows up, lives a lifetime well through their whole lifetime. And in the last few decades, just the last few decades, we've just seen such a crazy increase in environmental toxins and stress, and I think mitochondria are really seriously copying it.

Yeah, so the epigenetic effect of our lifestyle, our artificial light, blue light, toxic stress, you know, five G radiation, Those are all the sorts of things that are stressful on genes. So then when the mother's mitochondrial genes and epigenetics are not that healthy and they're passing that all down to the next generation, and what's happening to the generation after that, that is the epigenetics going on in the mitochondria. And that's why we're seeing more and more allergies, autism, add ADHD, autoimmune So those are the five a's that in environmental medicine we talk about a lot, and this is all very well established, very well known in environmental medicine in the last few decades. I'm just bringing the focus more to it's the effect through the mitochondrial genetics too, because when you've got heteroplasmi, which is when the mitochondrial genes mutate, they can change back. They change and change back all the time. They're very they're very plastic. So it's just the true epigenetics that integrated doctors like us like to talk about, is that you can change your environment and your whole condition and your whole health outcomes will be completely different. It's it is quite plastic, but at that mitochondria level, I think it's even more plastic. But it's plastic through generations. So it's like nether lives their life well through a whole life lifetime and has a baby well, and then that child grows up, lives a lifetime well through their whole lifetime. And in the last few decades, just the last few decades, we've just seen such a crazy increase in environmental toxins and stress, and I think mitochondria are really seriously copying it.

Yeah, so the mitochondria.

Yeah, so the mitochondria.

Let's come back to the mitochondrial psychobiology. So let's then talk about how this manifest from a psychological perspective when your mitochondria is not functioning. Well, I'm tipping that that's what mitochondrial psychobiology is.

Let's come back to the mitochondrial psychobiology. So let's then talk about how this manifest from a psychological perspective when your mitochondria is not functioning. Well, I'm tipping that that's what mitochondrial psychobiology is.

Yeah, well, I think you should interview Martin Pickard because he is still just doing the research, and the research is in the very early days, but it is pointing to that just how your mind frame is. So let's say in a week, you might wake up like really bright and chirpy three days a week, and like just normal two days a week, and then maybe really sad or something's really got you down, or you just or wake up on the wrong side of bed two days a week. And they're doing some work that's showing that just how you feel that day will change your bioenergetics. Bio energetics bio energetics meaning how well is your redox capacity going through the mitochondria, how well will you do that whole energy exchange, you know, atp energy all of that. So he's obviously deep into the metabolism and biology of that, but he's now bringing in how does the mind also change that it's a top down, bottom up change.

Yeah, well, I think you should interview Martin Pickard because he is still just doing the research, and the research is in the very early days, but it is pointing to that just how your mind frame is. So let's say in a week, you might wake up like really bright and chirpy three days a week, and like just normal two days a week, and then maybe really sad or something's really got you down, or you just or wake up on the wrong side of bed two days a week. And they're doing some work that's showing that just how you feel that day will change your bioenergetics. Bio energetics bio energetics meaning how well is your redox capacity going through the mitochondria, how well will you do that whole energy exchange, you know, atp energy all of that. So he's obviously deep into the metabolism and biology of that, but he's now bringing in how does the mind also change that it's a top down, bottom up change.

Right, I was going to ask, I presume it's a two way thing, right, because Chris Palmer has shown you damage your mitochondria, you're more likely to get our whole hopes of brand conditions.

Right, I was going to ask, I presume it's a two way thing, right, because Chris Palmer has shown you damage your mitochondria, you're more likely to get our whole hopes of brand conditions.

And with Brian, let's include mental health as weever near to generate diseases. But you know what you're saying now is that your psychological stee it can then impact your bio energetics. Now that makes sense because we know that your psychological steate it can change the composition about microbio. We know that it can release inflammatory markers as well, which then can impact widespread threating body. So it's not a crazy lead to suggest that it would affect how your magic dria function.

And with Brian, let's include mental health as weever near to generate diseases. But you know what you're saying now is that your psychological stee it can then impact your bio energetics. Now that makes sense because we know that your psychological steate it can change the composition about microbio. We know that it can release inflammatory markers as well, which then can impact widespread threating body. So it's not a crazy lead to suggest that it would affect how your magic dria function.

That's right. It's just it's very new in actually being mapped out in research in the publications. I know it makes sense to you and me, but this is just what they're starting to find out. And it's not to say that, oh, someone with a significant mitochondrial disorder, if you just well just make yourself feel better, you know, do some laughter, younger and laugh and things like that. But I know It's not as simple as that, because people out there definitely are struggling with some really difficult diseases. But what I'm trying to impress upon people is that, you know, mitochondria, bio energetics is a native It adds up everything. Everything you do counts. It's not just your nutrition. That time is sleep, the light, the nature, the water you drink, how well you detox your body, how much you sweat, how much cold you do. It's like we stack it, right. So nowadays we talk about biostacking. We don't talk about biohacking.

That's right. It's just it's very new in actually being mapped out in research in the publications. I know it makes sense to you and me, but this is just what they're starting to find out. And it's not to say that, oh, someone with a significant mitochondrial disorder, if you just well just make yourself feel better, you know, do some laughter, younger and laugh and things like that. But I know It's not as simple as that, because people out there definitely are struggling with some really difficult diseases. But what I'm trying to impress upon people is that, you know, mitochondria, bio energetics is a native It adds up everything. Everything you do counts. It's not just your nutrition. That time is sleep, the light, the nature, the water you drink, how well you detox your body, how much you sweat, how much cold you do. It's like we stack it, right. So nowadays we talk about biostacking. We don't talk about biohacking.

Right of stacking.

Right of stacking.

I like it. Biohacking is last decade.

I like it. Biohacking is last decade.

Yeah, but it's it has real world implications for people.

Yeah, but it's it has real world implications for people.

Right, So let's make this real.

Right, So let's make this real.

It's getting back to what you said earlier on about the inputs, right. And so if we just take the mitochondary of psychobiology, if people are listening to lots of news stuff, right, all the negative news stuff. Human beings were not designed to hear about all the terrible atrocities that are happening to millions of people around the world, right, that's not what we are designed. But then also, and particularly when you think about our teenagers, spending a lot of time on social media, and especially this upwards comparison, which I think is really toxic.

It's getting back to what you said earlier on about the inputs, right. And so if we just take the mitochondary of psychobiology, if people are listening to lots of news stuff, right, all the negative news stuff. Human beings were not designed to hear about all the terrible atrocities that are happening to millions of people around the world, right, that's not what we are designed. But then also, and particularly when you think about our teenagers, spending a lot of time on social media, and especially this upwards comparison, which I think is really toxic.

You know, when we were kids, the.

You know, when we were kids, the.

Natural condition to the brain is to compare yourself to others, particularly when you're a teenager, because you're trying to work out your place in the tribe. We were exposed to maybe one hundred other teenagers at our school around the scene age of us. But no people are exposed to thousands, and they're seeing the best little herb brush snapshots of people who are more handsome, more pretty, more successful, more lean than them. And then that creates just negative energy, which then is going to impact upon your mitochondria negatively, so that in and of itself is shit house for your microcongreer.

Natural condition to the brain is to compare yourself to others, particularly when you're a teenager, because you're trying to work out your place in the tribe. We were exposed to maybe one hundred other teenagers at our school around the scene age of us. But no people are exposed to thousands, and they're seeing the best little herb brush snapshots of people who are more handsome, more pretty, more successful, more lean than them. And then that creates just negative energy, which then is going to impact upon your mitochondria negatively, so that in and of itself is shit house for your microcongreer.

I think that's a medical term.

I think that's a medical term.

But then you add in exposure to all of these environmental toxins, ultra process foods, lack of physical activity, lack of sunlight, it's not hard to see how modern life is toxic to the mitochondria.

But then you add in exposure to all of these environmental toxins, ultra process foods, lack of physical activity, lack of sunlight, it's not hard to see how modern life is toxic to the mitochondria.

Yeah, I couldn't put it better than that. That is tough. That is the real world, and that's why the more we educate people, and that's why this is amazing. This podcast that you do because it's teaching the generations. And for me, I'm treating very sick and very chronic difficult patients. I'm just trying to pull together every single little ten to fifteen to twenty percent of things that could be different to help them mitochondrial bio energetics. And so that's why I'll come back to what I was saying. I know it's no fun to be in a lot of chronic pain and deal with a big condition, but one still has to change the immediate environment. Sensory felt lived, moved environment around them.

Yeah, I couldn't put it better than that. That is tough. That is the real world, and that's why the more we educate people, and that's why this is amazing. This podcast that you do because it's teaching the generations. And for me, I'm treating very sick and very chronic difficult patients. I'm just trying to pull together every single little ten to fifteen to twenty percent of things that could be different to help them mitochondrial bio energetics. And so that's why I'll come back to what I was saying. I know it's no fun to be in a lot of chronic pain and deal with a big condition, but one still has to change the immediate environment. Sensory felt lived, moved environment around them.

I like that sensory felt lived, moved environment. That's pretty cool. There's a couple of other things I want to talk to if if I can just get a little bit more, because.

I like that sensory felt lived, moved environment. That's pretty cool. There's a couple of other things I want to talk to if if I can just get a little bit more, because.

I'm loving this conversation.

I'm loving this conversation.

So I want people to walk away with an understanding about how they can improve their mitochondrial health. Right, So before we go high level, so we we'll get into again that's the whole century lived environment, but let's really talk about the mitochondrial complexes and how nutrition and nutrients play into those different complexes. Right, Because my understanding is that the bee vinamins, some of the bee vinamins are really important in this we know, I think, and I was going to ask you about this, if NAD has an impact on complex one, and then we know that red light has an impact on complex four. So what are some of the things that people should be thinking about nutritionally to support their magochondrial health.

So I want people to walk away with an understanding about how they can improve their mitochondrial health. Right, So before we go high level, so we we'll get into again that's the whole century lived environment, but let's really talk about the mitochondrial complexes and how nutrition and nutrients play into those different complexes. Right, Because my understanding is that the bee vinamins, some of the bee vinamins are really important in this we know, I think, and I was going to ask you about this, if NAD has an impact on complex one, and then we know that red light has an impact on complex four. So what are some of the things that people should be thinking about nutritionally to support their magochondrial health.

Okay, so nutritionally, so just food, I would start off with what time you eat, I would say, or eat daylight hours, because what time you eat is setting up your cicaian rhythms, and your circadian rhythms do also talk to your mitochondria pathways. So it's not what you eat just it's also what time you eat. And so to set out what time you eat, I think it's always a good breakfast. And then if you're trying to fast because there is weight fat to be burned and weight to be lost, and fast at night, which is the other way to what people like to do because of convenience.

Okay, so nutritionally, so just food, I would start off with what time you eat, I would say, or eat daylight hours, because what time you eat is setting up your cicaian rhythms, and your circadian rhythms do also talk to your mitochondria pathways. So it's not what you eat just it's also what time you eat. And so to set out what time you eat, I think it's always a good breakfast. And then if you're trying to fast because there is weight fat to be burned and weight to be lost, and fast at night, which is the other way to what people like to do because of convenience.

So I'm wee on that one, by the way.

So I'm wee on that one, by the way.

Yeah, breakfast like a king, right, yes? Or skip it? So time what time you eat? And then the next thing I'd moved to is the macro nutrient ratio. So the macro nutrient ratio is fat, carbs, proteins, and in the modern world, carves has become a bit of an enemy now. It didn't used to be, so I don't want to say like all carps is bad. Didn't use to be. And I remember ten years ago, is traveling in Bhutan, and you know, I'm like, everyone needs to be low carb, Like everyone's got metabolic syndrome. All my patients and metabolic syndrome, and they do. And then I go to Bhutan and they're all eating huge piles of rice and that's right. There's no one overweight here, you know. And I means like giant mountain men eating huge piles of rice and they're out in nature and they're walking around. So I realized, oh, yeah, it's only when our mitochondria are in this modern environment blue light, toxic, not moving, not exercising, then you need to eat lower carb. So for some people that need to be very low carb depends on how what kind of mitochondria, genetics, and what the microbiome is like. And for some people they can eat much more, especially if they're moving it exercising. So macro nutrients would be really think about the carbohydrate and then really topping up on the protein and then topping up on heaps of five and good fats. So macronutrient would be next.

Yeah, breakfast like a king, right, yes? Or skip it? So time what time you eat? And then the next thing I'd moved to is the macro nutrient ratio. So the macro nutrient ratio is fat, carbs, proteins, and in the modern world, carves has become a bit of an enemy now. It didn't used to be, so I don't want to say like all carps is bad. Didn't use to be. And I remember ten years ago, is traveling in Bhutan, and you know, I'm like, everyone needs to be low carb, Like everyone's got metabolic syndrome. All my patients and metabolic syndrome, and they do. And then I go to Bhutan and they're all eating huge piles of rice and that's right. There's no one overweight here, you know. And I means like giant mountain men eating huge piles of rice and they're out in nature and they're walking around. So I realized, oh, yeah, it's only when our mitochondria are in this modern environment blue light, toxic, not moving, not exercising, then you need to eat lower carb. So for some people that need to be very low carb depends on how what kind of mitochondria, genetics, and what the microbiome is like. And for some people they can eat much more, especially if they're moving it exercising. So macro nutrients would be really think about the carbohydrate and then really topping up on the protein and then topping up on heaps of five and good fats. So macronutrient would be next.

Yeah, yeah, okay, cool, let's do that.

Yeah, yeah, okay, cool, let's do that.

So that's time you eat, then the macronutrient, then the micronutrients, so that would be the vitamins and the minerals. So I wouldn't jump straight to saying take the supplement, take that supplement. But does depend on someone's age and stage and do they have a condition and what are they're trying to achieve. But if their nutrition is good with a lot of nutrient density of you know, I think liver is really good. I think humans should eat omnivorous, So I do think that liver has got a lot of bee vitamins. And if you eat enough protein, then you get lots of your carnotene and you're tourine, so those are nutrients important for the mitochondria. You get lots of your creatine and then if you eat lots of vegetables, nutzis and you're getting your minerals and you electrolytes. But let's face it, like today's modern agriculture, the food is really quite depleted quite a lot of things, The soils are quite deplete, nutrients. So if someone was really really super well and doesn't need any supplement, I would say they still need the supplement, and that is they still need minerals. So I would always supplement from.

So that's time you eat, then the macronutrient, then the micronutrients, so that would be the vitamins and the minerals. So I wouldn't jump straight to saying take the supplement, take that supplement. But does depend on someone's age and stage and do they have a condition and what are they're trying to achieve. But if their nutrition is good with a lot of nutrient density of you know, I think liver is really good. I think humans should eat omnivorous, So I do think that liver has got a lot of bee vitamins. And if you eat enough protein, then you get lots of your carnotene and you're tourine, so those are nutrients important for the mitochondria. You get lots of your creatine and then if you eat lots of vegetables, nutzis and you're getting your minerals and you electrolytes. But let's face it, like today's modern agriculture, the food is really quite depleted quite a lot of things, The soils are quite deplete, nutrients. So if someone was really really super well and doesn't need any supplement, I would say they still need the supplement, and that is they still need minerals. So I would always supplement from.

A multi or are specific stuff for people generally, Like.

A multi or are specific stuff for people generally, Like.

A super well fit person just needs to take minerals, then I would propose a multi mineral supplement like with all the trace minerals in it as well, not just like just think selenium, chromium, molygdinum, all of those are the big ticket ones, but trace minerals are really good. So you get lots of trace minerals from sea salt, electrolyte and sea salt mineral products, So those are always my favorite supplements that would be the top priority in everyone. Electrolytes, sea salt minerals, and potassium. So a lot of people are depleted in potassium. So I know that nowadays with a lot of the big biohacking movements and sports and longevity runs taking electrolytes, which is great, but we really need the potassium.

A super well fit person just needs to take minerals, then I would propose a multi mineral supplement like with all the trace minerals in it as well, not just like just think selenium, chromium, molygdinum, all of those are the big ticket ones, but trace minerals are really good. So you get lots of trace minerals from sea salt, electrolyte and sea salt mineral products, So those are always my favorite supplements that would be the top priority in everyone. Electrolytes, sea salt minerals, and potassium. So a lot of people are depleted in potassium. So I know that nowadays with a lot of the big biohacking movements and sports and longevity runs taking electrolytes, which is great, but we really need the potassium.

Yeah, and a.

Yeah, and a.

Lot of people there, Yeah, they just tweak the potassium levels. It can sort out the blood pressure as well. I think there's a bit too much focus on sodium and not enough on potassium.

Lot of people there, Yeah, they just tweak the potassium levels. It can sort out the blood pressure as well. I think there's a bit too much focus on sodium and not enough on potassium.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, big time. So that would be the vitamins. Supplements I think everyone should have would be electrolytes and minerals. And then, like I said, with a condition and with health issues, and I would certainly go for the ubiquanal I would do creating NAD. I wouldn't necessarily do n D because that's quite expensive. Not everyone can afford that, but definitely be three, so a nice cinemaide of sorts. And then most people can take a multib complex, but some people cannot if depending on their methylation status, they might get a bit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, big time. So that would be the vitamins. Supplements I think everyone should have would be electrolytes and minerals. And then, like I said, with a condition and with health issues, and I would certainly go for the ubiquanal I would do creating NAD. I wouldn't necessarily do n D because that's quite expensive. Not everyone can afford that, but definitely be three, so a nice cinemaide of sorts. And then most people can take a multib complex, but some people cannot if depending on their methylation status, they might get a bit.

Do you propose a method vitamin for people or does that not work well for some people? Like what I'm saying, should everybody take methylated B or can methalate B not be great depending on certain genes.

Do you propose a method vitamin for people or does that not work well for some people? Like what I'm saying, should everybody take methylated B or can methalate B not be great depending on certain genes.

The latter, so I don't propose methylated B broadly speaking, I would propose so if we're talking first about energy mitochondria, propose B three and B five. And then if we just want an round B, then I would say a multibe that doesn't necessarily have a lot of methylated bees. But yeah, a bit of B two lots of B one as well, but methylated bees don't go well with at least in my patient cohort, because I have tough cases and that's usually when other things haven't worked. And usually in that community, methylated b can cause a lot more anxiety agro agitation because people have folate follate receptive blocks or methyl blocks so they can't methylate the folates and things like that.

The latter, so I don't propose methylated B broadly speaking, I would propose so if we're talking first about energy mitochondria, propose B three and B five. And then if we just want an round B, then I would say a multibe that doesn't necessarily have a lot of methylated bees. But yeah, a bit of B two lots of B one as well, but methylated bees don't go well with at least in my patient cohort, because I have tough cases and that's usually when other things haven't worked. And usually in that community, methylated b can cause a lot more anxiety agro agitation because people have folate follate receptive blocks or methyl blocks so they can't methylate the folates and things like that.

Yeah, interesting, And what is your thoughts on NMN and NR right, because they're big in the kind of biohacking communities, Just keen to get your thoughts. I took a little bit of NME and sublingual, and then I just stopped because for me, I looked at the research. Now this was a year ago, and there wasn't a lot of what I thought was compelling human data. But I know a lot of people absolutely swear by it. What's your thoughts on it?

Yeah, interesting, And what is your thoughts on NMN and NR right, because they're big in the kind of biohacking communities, Just keen to get your thoughts. I took a little bit of NME and sublingual, and then I just stopped because for me, I looked at the research. Now this was a year ago, and there wasn't a lot of what I thought was compelling human data. But I know a lot of people absolutely swear by it. What's your thoughts on it?

So I'm a bit neutral about needing to do NMN or NR versus just B three, partly because I'm working with a patient community with chronic diseases and they often don't have a lot of funds because there's a lot of supplements to have to take in the end you know, I do. I do give people relatively big protocols that I'm being conservative, but I also it does also add up to a lot of things. You have to support the bio, you have to support the liver, you have to support the micro bio, you have to support the nearer transmitters. In the end, you have a supplements as long as you know, list of it, as long as your arm. So cost wise, EMIN is not practical for my patient cohort. The research looks interesting. I'm not jumping straight into that because of being practical, and I already see good results with B three and just n R, and I already see good results of using other things in my patient groups. So I don't just hammer in on that.

So I'm a bit neutral about needing to do NMN or NR versus just B three, partly because I'm working with a patient community with chronic diseases and they often don't have a lot of funds because there's a lot of supplements to have to take in the end you know, I do. I do give people relatively big protocols that I'm being conservative, but I also it does also add up to a lot of things. You have to support the bio, you have to support the liver, you have to support the micro bio, you have to support the nearer transmitters. In the end, you have a supplements as long as you know, list of it, as long as your arm. So cost wise, EMIN is not practical for my patient cohort. The research looks interesting. I'm not jumping straight into that because of being practical, and I already see good results with B three and just n R, and I already see good results of using other things in my patient groups. So I don't just hammer in on that.

Andemen my view on that is a watch in we it because it is bloody expensive. It's a supplement, and I think there's there's other ones that are kind of top of the list on that.

Andemen my view on that is a watch in we it because it is bloody expensive. It's a supplement, and I think there's there's other ones that are kind of top of the list on that.

Okay. So and then just to remind our people, so is that that's.

Okay. So and then just to remind our people, so is that that's.

Everything from a nutritional perspective, is it?

Everything from a nutritional perspective, is it?

And then well I'll put the last thing in is also when you don't eat, so you know a bit of fasting is depends again on the person. But if you're trying to get more metabolic flexibility, then it's good to be able to fast, and fasting just means to be able to not eat overnight twelve to fourteen hours and okay, sometimes if you had to skip lunch because you really were that busy, or you skip dinner, you don't fall apart because you're angry, you know. So it's like be able to not be like that. So people have to work out how to be able to fast and get through that. So not saying that you need to do long fast for mitochondrial health, but you have to be able to handle a fast.

And then well I'll put the last thing in is also when you don't eat, so you know a bit of fasting is depends again on the person. But if you're trying to get more metabolic flexibility, then it's good to be able to fast, and fasting just means to be able to not eat overnight twelve to fourteen hours and okay, sometimes if you had to skip lunch because you really were that busy, or you skip dinner, you don't fall apart because you're angry, you know. So it's like be able to not be like that. So people have to work out how to be able to fast and get through that. So not saying that you need to do long fast for mitochondrial health, but you have to be able to handle a fast.

Yeah, absolutely, every human beings should be able to handle a fast. Right, then the other things to throw at your mitochondria other than so that's a very detailed thing around nutrition. What's the other big ticket items for you?

Yeah, absolutely, every human beings should be able to handle a fast. Right, then the other things to throw at your mitochondria other than so that's a very detailed thing around nutrition. What's the other big ticket items for you?

Big ticket items would be avoid blue light, so get the light, right, we already said that, and so using a red light panel or red light devices is really just to tip that balance of we're just a bit too much blue and not enough friend. But if someone is out in nature the whole day and getting a lot of sun, then you don't necessarily need a red light like just a generic red light panel I'm talking about. You might use red light to specifically treat an ankle injury on elbow spray and things like that, so that'd be the blue and the red. And the next thing I would say is do cold.

Big ticket items would be avoid blue light, so get the light, right, we already said that, and so using a red light panel or red light devices is really just to tip that balance of we're just a bit too much blue and not enough friend. But if someone is out in nature the whole day and getting a lot of sun, then you don't necessarily need a red light like just a generic red light panel I'm talking about. You might use red light to specifically treat an ankle injury on elbow spray and things like that, so that'd be the blue and the red. And the next thing I would say is do cold.

Yeah, can induce mitochondrial biogenesis.

Yeah, can induce mitochondrial biogenesis.

Right, very very very powerful cold therapy. So that's a huge with chondrial therapy. And depending on the type of communities you're speaking to, maybe your communities Paul are like all out there jumping into ice bath and going gung ho for it, but my patient community isn't so much because people have chronic fatigue and so on. So we just have to do it very slow and gently, and we usually start doing it with face plunges.

Right, very very very powerful cold therapy. So that's a huge with chondrial therapy. And depending on the type of communities you're speaking to, maybe your communities Paul are like all out there jumping into ice bath and going gung ho for it, but my patient community isn't so much because people have chronic fatigue and so on. So we just have to do it very slow and gently, and we usually start doing it with face plunges.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's a really good thing for people who have chronic conditions. If they jump into an ice bath, that can just be too much and can completely overwhelm them. So the asponges I totally agree with you a great and then maybe a bit of a cold char it's just at the end of your normal char. But you know, you don't have to be jumping into the ice bot and you certainly don't need to be spending ten minutes in an icepot. That's just an ego trip. I think most of the benefits are those first twenty seconds when you get into cold water. And what about exercise.

Yeah, I think that's a really good thing for people who have chronic conditions. If they jump into an ice bath, that can just be too much and can completely overwhelm them. So the asponges I totally agree with you a great and then maybe a bit of a cold char it's just at the end of your normal char. But you know, you don't have to be jumping into the ice bot and you certainly don't need to be spending ten minutes in an icepot. That's just an ego trip. I think most of the benefits are those first twenty seconds when you get into cold water. And what about exercise.

I was going to say that one next it's like, okay, it's so next thing with the exercise. So with my patient community, I guess I don't use the word exercise. I talk about.

I was going to say that one next it's like, okay, it's so next thing with the exercise. So with my patient community, I guess I don't use the word exercise. I talk about.

Movement physical activity.

Movement physical activity.

Yeah, when they have cronic fatigue, they do get upset with being told they have to exercise because it makes them sicker. And so but I say to them, you still absolutely need to move. You cannot just sit down or lie down. When people have got pots and you know orthostatic intolerance, they're lying down and sitting down a lot. You still absolutely need to move. So we need to move for that moto biogenesis, and that is critical too. And we might even just start the movement with breath. So do use a lot of breath, do a lot of our line movements, pilates, care work, and just starting with that because that essentially is the most important place. That from a functional perspective, is how I'm thinking of it, not just big bulky muscles for metabolic health. I'm thinking first just the right muscles. Doing the right things is really around our breath, our pelvic flaw, our diaphragm, and how that makes a big difference to our neurophysiology.

Yeah, when they have cronic fatigue, they do get upset with being told they have to exercise because it makes them sicker. And so but I say to them, you still absolutely need to move. You cannot just sit down or lie down. When people have got pots and you know orthostatic intolerance, they're lying down and sitting down a lot. You still absolutely need to move. So we need to move for that moto biogenesis, and that is critical too. And we might even just start the movement with breath. So do use a lot of breath, do a lot of our line movements, pilates, care work, and just starting with that because that essentially is the most important place. That from a functional perspective, is how I'm thinking of it, not just big bulky muscles for metabolic health. I'm thinking first just the right muscles. Doing the right things is really around our breath, our pelvic flaw, our diaphragm, and how that makes a big difference to our neurophysiology.

Yeah, I love it. And the old classic concept of exercise.

Yeah, I love it. And the old classic concept of exercise.

I think it does apply to people with chronic particular of seeing research on it is slow progressive overload. Is that just week by week, just add a little bit and add a little bit and add a little bit, and then if it's too much, you just back off a little bit. But I think that concept of progressive over a little it applies to everybody, from people with chronic conditions all the way through to elite athletes like Christine. And so I presume is there anything else that we've left off on there? You did talk about your few more, but.

I think it does apply to people with chronic particular of seeing research on it is slow progressive overload. Is that just week by week, just add a little bit and add a little bit and add a little bit, and then if it's too much, you just back off a little bit. But I think that concept of progressive over a little it applies to everybody, from people with chronic conditions all the way through to elite athletes like Christine. And so I presume is there anything else that we've left off on there? You did talk about your few more, but.

So would be the big ones, you know, nutrition, light, cold, exercise. But I would say magnetism is a really good one for mitochondrial health if people have got conditions, so using PEMF pulse electromagnetic fields. And then I guess it would be remiss of me as a nutritional medicine doctor not to talk about the microbiota, the microbiome. I mean, everyone knows that you know the gut brain access microbiome has a big.

So would be the big ones, you know, nutrition, light, cold, exercise. But I would say magnetism is a really good one for mitochondrial health if people have got conditions, so using PEMF pulse electromagnetic fields. And then I guess it would be remiss of me as a nutritional medicine doctor not to talk about the microbiota, the microbiome. I mean, everyone knows that you know the gut brain access microbiome has a big.

Huge effect across everything, but I actually think that's still bottom up, and I think the top down to microbiome is the stress and the micochondria that speaks the microbiome.

Huge effect across everything, but I actually think that's still bottom up, and I think the top down to microbiome is the stress and the micochondria that speaks the microbiome.

And I think that research is starting to kind about mitochondria microbiome crosstop. So I think that when your mitochondria are healthy and you got the right light signals and microbiome will be healthier as opposed to just shoving in probiotics and of course fiber, of course probiotics, but just.

And I think that research is starting to kind about mitochondria microbiome crosstop. So I think that when your mitochondria are healthy and you got the right light signals and microbiome will be healthier as opposed to just shoving in probiotics and of course fiber, of course probiotics, but just.

Better fermented food as well. Right for the first.

Better fermented food as well. Right for the first.

One, yeah, yeah, And then the last thing is detox because we can't help but live in a toxic world. So a good old sona and sweat couple of times a week is just yeah. Oh, I guess if you're exercising hard and you're sweating yours or doing a double up there.

One, yeah, yeah, And then the last thing is detox because we can't help but live in a toxic world. So a good old sona and sweat couple of times a week is just yeah. Oh, I guess if you're exercising hard and you're sweating yours or doing a double up there.

There's what most people don't realize.

There's what most people don't realize.

The level lemon detox diet is horseship compared to sweat.

The level lemon detox diet is horseship compared to sweat.

Right, that is the mediature way. And I guess supporting your fierst one and fist.

Right, that is the mediature way. And I guess supporting your fierst one and fist.

To detoxification and processes in the body through you know, lots of broccoli, the whole broccoli family, and then onions garlics leaks self first supports those two pathways, right.

To detoxification and processes in the body through you know, lots of broccoli, the whole broccoli family, and then onions garlics leaks self first supports those two pathways, right.

Yeah, totally very cool.

Yeah, totally very cool.

Now I am Are you still taking patients because I'm sure there's a shipload of people going I want her as my doctor.

Now I am Are you still taking patients because I'm sure there's a shipload of people going I want her as my doctor.

Yeah, yeah, I still take patients. It just depends on the time of year and how heavy the loaded Sometimes is a bit of a weight, but we're always taking patients. So the clinic is next practice gen biome g E n b io me. It's sort of a generation biome. It's a biosphere of health and soluted genesis Soluto genesis. By the way, it's health creation for some of your listeners who might not know. We treat diseases for sure, but we prefer or would love to just create health.

Yeah, yeah, I still take patients. It just depends on the time of year and how heavy the loaded Sometimes is a bit of a weight, but we're always taking patients. So the clinic is next practice gen biome g E n b io me. It's sort of a generation biome. It's a biosphere of health and soluted genesis Soluto genesis. By the way, it's health creation for some of your listeners who might not know. We treat diseases for sure, but we prefer or would love to just create health.

Yeah. I love it. I love it. And are you on socials or anything?

Yeah. I love it. I love it. And are you on socials or anything?

It's a person for people.

It's a person for people.

Can Are you too busy?

Can Are you too busy?

I'm not unsocial? Yeah. Well, our clinics very busy. Just word of mouth and education and our the clinic is MITO Core m I t O Core and that is the new clinic, which is much more focused on longevity and mitochondrial health. It's using much more of a naturopathic model, so not necessarily doctors treating diseases, but really for people.

I'm not unsocial? Yeah. Well, our clinics very busy. Just word of mouth and education and our the clinic is MITO Core m I t O Core and that is the new clinic, which is much more focused on longevity and mitochondrial health. It's using much more of a naturopathic model, so not necessarily doctors treating diseases, but really for people.

Yeah, nice, good, the moant to be great.

Yeah, nice, good, the moant to be great.

Yeah are the They both based in Sydney.

Yeah are the They both based in Sydney.

Yep, they're both in Edgecliff and Sydney.

Yep, they're both in Edgecliff and Sydney.

Lucky bastards. They get the good weather in the winter and they also get your clinics, Christine. This has been absolutely awesome, A great dive into the mitochondria, which are hugely, hugely important and I think a very very wide lends view of the mitochondria. And I think for our listeners there's some real actionable stuff because.

Lucky bastards. They get the good weather in the winter and they also get your clinics, Christine. This has been absolutely awesome, A great dive into the mitochondria, which are hugely, hugely important and I think a very very wide lends view of the mitochondria. And I think for our listeners there's some real actionable stuff because.

The mitochondria don't funk you.

The mitochondria don't funk you.

Well, you're a basket case.

Well, you're a basket case.

Right, Yeah, that's why. Well, you know, join us as mitochondriacts and looking at as the chondria and if anyone is into longevity and all that, then you should be a mitochondriact.

Right, Yeah, that's why. Well, you know, join us as mitochondriacts and looking at as the chondria and if anyone is into longevity and all that, then you should be a mitochondriact.

I love it. I love it, right, that is the title of this talk, Why you need to be a mitochondriact.

I love it. I love it, right, that is the title of this talk, Why you need to be a mitochondriact.

So cool.

So cool.

I love talking to you. Thank you so much. I appreciate the invite. I know I'm speaking to a different community than what I'm usually speaking to. So I hope this helps your listeners.

I love talking to you. Thank you so much. I appreciate the invite. I know I'm speaking to a different community than what I'm usually speaking to. So I hope this helps your listeners.

Oh look, absolutely, no doubt helped my listeners immensely.

Oh look, absolutely, no doubt helped my listeners immensely.

That is the great.

That is the great.

Thank you for giving you your very precious time to help our listeners. Awesome.

Thank you for giving you your very precious time to help our listeners. Awesome.

Thanks for

Thanks for