You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, Alex Berenson back with us. Now you all know him, the guy who is right about all the COVID stuff when it was hard to be right. And we're going to talk about some of that and also big pharma and other interesting things going on in the world today. He has unreported truths on subseack, which you should subscribe to. I am a subscriber. Definitely go check that. Alex, let's start with this. What are your thoughts as you're reading? And everyone who's a I think pretty much a subscriber here on the podcast remembers you, remembers your work, remembers you going on Tucker Show, remembers you going on Clay and Buck talking about the COVID stuff and all the heat you were getting. The New York Times puts out a big piece now we were misled on the COVID origins, Like it's been five years. Really, now, what do you make of that?

You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, Alex Berenson back with us. Now you all know him, the guy who is right about all the COVID stuff when it was hard to be right. And we're going to talk about some of that and also big pharma and other interesting things going on in the world today. He has unreported truths on subseack, which you should subscribe to. I am a subscriber. Definitely go check that. Alex, let's start with this. What are your thoughts as you're reading? And everyone who's a I think pretty much a subscriber here on the podcast remembers you, remembers your work, remembers you going on Tucker Show, remembers you going on Clay and Buck talking about the COVID stuff and all the heat you were getting. The New York Times puts out a big piece now we were misled on the COVID origins, Like it's been five years. Really, now, what do you make of that?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Well, I mean I don't know what's more infuriating the fact that like five years in and they're still pretending there's a debate or the fact that you know, the person who wrote this she yeah, she attacks Fauci. Great, she says, you know, Christian Anderson is full of it. Great, we know that. What is she not mentioned in the New York Times. She's not mentioned that The New York Times was pushing this nonsense. Not just in twenty twenty, when, okay, you could say, well, you know, the scientific community did at least was being steered by Fauci, but in twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty three, long after there was tons of independent evidence, and frankly, after twenty twenty one, we knew about the cover up too, because of the good work that some independent journalists have done and some foia. There was tons of evidence, and yet the New York Times was still relying on Christian Anderson, who is this, you know, immunologist in San Diego, on a few other people who clearly had financial skin in the game, who clearly were talking their book. And fine, okay, you want to attack those people, great, but don't pretend it's not. As I wrote in my sub sect yesterday, what the smizzer said is not we were misled. It's we and the science has misled you. And so yeah, it's infuriating.

Well, I mean I don't know what's more infuriating the fact that like five years in and they're still pretending there's a debate or the fact that you know, the person who wrote this she yeah, she attacks Fauci. Great, she says, you know, Christian Anderson is full of it. Great, we know that. What is she not mentioned in the New York Times. She's not mentioned that The New York Times was pushing this nonsense. Not just in twenty twenty, when, okay, you could say, well, you know, the scientific community did at least was being steered by Fauci, but in twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty three, long after there was tons of independent evidence, and frankly, after twenty twenty one, we knew about the cover up too, because of the good work that some independent journalists have done and some foia. There was tons of evidence, and yet the New York Times was still relying on Christian Anderson, who is this, you know, immunologist in San Diego, on a few other people who clearly had financial skin in the game, who clearly were talking their book. And fine, okay, you want to attack those people, great, but don't pretend it's not. As I wrote in my sub sect yesterday, what the smizzer said is not we were misled. It's we and the science has misled you. And so yeah, it's infuriating.

I sit here and I just think that there has to be a bigger, bigger reckoning than what we've seen so far on the issue. I know, I know, it has been five years. I'm a little bit like the guy who refuses to give up give up the fight here. I mean, I think a lot of people on the right have moved on with this. I still maybe because I moved to Florida and left New York, which I thought would never never happen. I never thought I would leave New York City. But I'm not over it. I'm not okay with it. And then we have Cuomo. Cuomo wants to be not just the governor, not just the mayor of New York City, after having been a governor who had to resign for giving too many grabs and smooches to his ladies on staff. But he, I think clearly wants to use it as a platform to run for president. And he's been getting a little bit of people have been pushing a little bit on, Hey, remember what you did during during COVID does no one in New York Cara, remember Cuomo Chips and all the madness with this guy.

I sit here and I just think that there has to be a bigger, bigger reckoning than what we've seen so far on the issue. I know, I know, it has been five years. I'm a little bit like the guy who refuses to give up give up the fight here. I mean, I think a lot of people on the right have moved on with this. I still maybe because I moved to Florida and left New York, which I thought would never never happen. I never thought I would leave New York City. But I'm not over it. I'm not okay with it. And then we have Cuomo. Cuomo wants to be not just the governor, not just the mayor of New York City, after having been a governor who had to resign for giving too many grabs and smooches to his ladies on staff. But he, I think clearly wants to use it as a platform to run for president. And he's been getting a little bit of people have been pushing a little bit on, Hey, remember what you did during during COVID does no one in New York Cara, remember Cuomo Chips and all the madness with this guy.

No, I think they do.

No, I think they do.

The problem is that, you know, there's not a lot of great choices for New York City mayor right now, I mean, from Mark Adams on down. I haven't looked at the poles. I don't even know if there's been poles. So I don't know if Clomo can win.

The problem is that, you know, there's not a lot of great choices for New York City mayor right now, I mean, from Mark Adams on down. I haven't looked at the poles. I don't even know if there's been poles. So I don't know if Clomo can win.

Can I just tell you? Because he is by far number one in the polls, I think he doubles the next closest person support and I think he just announced officially or he's about to announce officially.

Can I just tell you? Because he is by far number one in the polls, I think he doubles the next closest person support and I think he just announced officially or he's about to announce officially.

So I mean that, you know, I will say that Anthony Weener for a time had and it was sort of a similar thing. After he got bounced from Congress. He was running and it looked like he had a chance, and then suddenly he didn't have a chance.

So I mean that, you know, I will say that Anthony Weener for a time had and it was sort of a similar thing. After he got bounced from Congress. He was running and it looked like he had a chance, and then suddenly he didn't have a chance.

Now Cuomo's you know, it's a situation.

Now Cuomo's you know, it's a situation.

Uh but but we'll see what happens when you know, when people are actually kind of reminded by the way. One of the many terrible things of the Biden era, the Biden and Kamala era, is it has convinced every fourth rate Democratic politician that they can be presidents, right because if those two, you know, one of them was president, one of them, you know, was the Democratic nominee.

Uh but but we'll see what happens when you know, when people are actually kind of reminded by the way. One of the many terrible things of the Biden era, the Biden and Kamala era, is it has convinced every fourth rate Democratic politician that they can be presidents, right because if those two, you know, one of them was president, one of them, you know, was the Democratic nominee.

So you have you have Tim.

So you have you have Tim.

Walls running around, you have Cuomo, you know, the disgraced governor positioning himself.

Walls running around, you have Cuomo, you know, the disgraced governor positioning himself.

You have having news some doing.

You have having news some doing.

Whatever he can to pretend that he wasn't governor of California in the last eight years or whatever it was. It's really, uh, you know, it's really the seven dwarves are out in force right now. And you know, it's interesting you say that there hasn't been a reckoning, and they're clearly hasn't. There hasn't been a political or legal reckoning. And it's also interesting to me Donald trumpet. You know, look, he clearly there's a lot of scores he wants to settle. He does not seem very interested in reopening COVID, and you know, I don't know why that is. I haven't talked to people in the administration about why that is.

Whatever he can to pretend that he wasn't governor of California in the last eight years or whatever it was. It's really, uh, you know, it's really the seven dwarves are out in force right now. And you know, it's interesting you say that there hasn't been a reckoning, and they're clearly hasn't. There hasn't been a political or legal reckoning. And it's also interesting to me Donald trumpet. You know, look, he clearly there's a lot of scores he wants to settle. He does not seem very interested in reopening COVID, and you know, I don't know why that is. I haven't talked to people in the administration about why that is.

And maybe it's a question worth asking.

And maybe it's a question worth asking.

Maybe he just has so many other sort of things that are more personal to him that he wants to settle first, or maybe he doesn't he doesn't care particularly. I do think that there's increasingly a cultural reckoning. And you know, I I tweeted about or I posted about this today that you know, the New York Times there was there's a Democratic strategist who it seems like a pretty honest guy talking about how far to the right young people, mostly men, but some women too, have moved in the last four years. And to me, that is clearly COVID driven, you know, because because look, if you're twenty three, you're not that worried about inflation, okay you are. You are worried about what you saw five years ago, when it became pretty clear to you that the medical establishment and all these people who were on TV didn't really have your interest at heart at all, and there could be this medical authoritarian state. And I think that that has moved young people significantly to the right.

Maybe he just has so many other sort of things that are more personal to him that he wants to settle first, or maybe he doesn't he doesn't care particularly. I do think that there's increasingly a cultural reckoning. And you know, I I tweeted about or I posted about this today that you know, the New York Times there was there's a Democratic strategist who it seems like a pretty honest guy talking about how far to the right young people, mostly men, but some women too, have moved in the last four years. And to me, that is clearly COVID driven, you know, because because look, if you're twenty three, you're not that worried about inflation, okay you are. You are worried about what you saw five years ago, when it became pretty clear to you that the medical establishment and all these people who were on TV didn't really have your interest at heart at all, and there could be this medical authoritarian state. And I think that that has moved young people significantly to the right.

So I think we're I.

So I think we're I.

Think, can we can we dig into that? Because that was actually I saw your tweet on that, and that was why I was like, you know, I got to talk to Alex about this today. So gen Z moves to the right because of the medical authoritarian madness. That's a that I think that the data certainly shows that, and we can there's a number of factors. The assault on masculinity, certainly for men, which is a very real, very real thing. Uh, that they can't come up with words to make being a man seem bad and make us all try to use those words and then say what assault on masculinely like like we're we're aware of this. It's like when Gavin Newsom says no one on his staff said latin X, and then there's all this stuff that comes out about him and others on his staff saying latin X. You know, they're just trying to blatantly rewrite history. But there there was it. There was a point at which society decided, and it was really the you know, the expert cudentialed class in the medical but really just in the sort of in general that if it meant a one percent, not even one percent, if it meant to point zero zero one percent in hospitalizations for the elderly, no high school graduations, no sports, no socializing with your friends for years, for years, for years.

Think, can we can we dig into that? Because that was actually I saw your tweet on that, and that was why I was like, you know, I got to talk to Alex about this today. So gen Z moves to the right because of the medical authoritarian madness. That's a that I think that the data certainly shows that, and we can there's a number of factors. The assault on masculinity, certainly for men, which is a very real, very real thing. Uh, that they can't come up with words to make being a man seem bad and make us all try to use those words and then say what assault on masculinely like like we're we're aware of this. It's like when Gavin Newsom says no one on his staff said latin X, and then there's all this stuff that comes out about him and others on his staff saying latin X. You know, they're just trying to blatantly rewrite history. But there there was it. There was a point at which society decided, and it was really the you know, the expert cudentialed class in the medical but really just in the sort of in general that if it meant a one percent, not even one percent, if it meant to point zero zero one percent in hospitalizations for the elderly, no high school graduations, no sports, no socializing with your friends for years, for years, for years.

It was crazy.

It was crazy.

And you know, again like I don't I don't feel like I was any genius to say this was crazy, and you know, and to count out to the teachers' unions and say we're not going to reopen schools.

And you know, again like I don't I don't feel like I was any genius to say this was crazy, and you know, and to count out to the teachers' unions and say we're not going to reopen schools.

Oh, we are going to reopen schools.

Oh, we are going to reopen schools.

They just have to be properly ventilated, which is going to take twenty years to do. I mean, it was all insanity, and you know when and I got to go. I can go back and find the posts or find the subject.

They just have to be properly ventilated, which is going to take twenty years to do. I mean, it was all insanity, and you know when and I got to go. I can go back and find the posts or find the subject.

But when did it be okay? When did it become okay for society to sacrifice the young for the old? It's the absolute opposite of what we should be doing.

But when did it be okay? When did it become okay for society to sacrifice the young for the old? It's the absolute opposite of what we should be doing.

And you know, I have three kids, but like, did you really need to have kids to recognize what a terrible idea that was?

And you know, I have three kids, but like, did you really need to have kids to recognize what a terrible idea that was?

Yeah?

Yeah?

No, I didn't have kids yet. I got one on the way right now, be here in a few weeks, thank you. Very exciting. But yeah, I remember sitting in my tiny one bedroom in New York City as the whole place went completely insane, and I just walking around like, what what has happened to all of you people? And can I give you something?

No, I didn't have kids yet. I got one on the way right now, be here in a few weeks, thank you. Very exciting. But yeah, I remember sitting in my tiny one bedroom in New York City as the whole place went completely insane, and I just walking around like, what what has happened to all of you people? And can I give you something?

That?

That?

Really another reason why Benson came to mind here, I was have you seen this show? It's on It's on Max, which used to be HBO The Pit. Are you familiar with this?

Really another reason why Benson came to mind here, I was have you seen this show? It's on It's on Max, which used to be HBO The Pit. Are you familiar with this?

This shows?

This shows?

It's funny Noah Wiley, who was on the original er, The Michael Crichton Er from the nineties, which was a very celebrated and popular show. Then he's now the lead doctor in the It's basically e R in Pittsburgh. I forget what the original EAR was, but it's the same thing and just an emergency room drama. It's actually pretty well done. You might like it. I mean, the medical stuff is interesting. It seems, at least to my civilian non doctor I pretty realistic for what it is. I mean, certainly the super long waits in the er, you know, in the waiting room, and like the mess. You know, they don't walk away from that stuff. But there's a whole scene where this guy gets so it's clearly supposed to be a Trump supporter too. Who doesn't want someone who doesn't want to be told to wear a mask? And he's like, well, you know, when we're doing our surgery on you, like experts who save lives recognize that it reduces infection to wear a mask. And I mean, I wanted my wife was there. I'm not somebody who talked to her. I was just furious they're still doing this thing now, aren't they they're still gonna do those. Yeah, but masks, but masks really will save us, like they haven't. The medical establishment hasn't entirely abandoned this.

It's funny Noah Wiley, who was on the original er, The Michael Crichton Er from the nineties, which was a very celebrated and popular show. Then he's now the lead doctor in the It's basically e R in Pittsburgh. I forget what the original EAR was, but it's the same thing and just an emergency room drama. It's actually pretty well done. You might like it. I mean, the medical stuff is interesting. It seems, at least to my civilian non doctor I pretty realistic for what it is. I mean, certainly the super long waits in the er, you know, in the waiting room, and like the mess. You know, they don't walk away from that stuff. But there's a whole scene where this guy gets so it's clearly supposed to be a Trump supporter too. Who doesn't want someone who doesn't want to be told to wear a mask? And he's like, well, you know, when we're doing our surgery on you, like experts who save lives recognize that it reduces infection to wear a mask. And I mean, I wanted my wife was there. I'm not somebody who talked to her. I was just furious they're still doing this thing now, aren't they they're still gonna do those. Yeah, but masks, but masks really will save us, like they haven't. The medical establishment hasn't entirely abandoned this.

No, and even you know, so the Times they wrote this piece on Sunday, and you know, two thirds of the way down there was the the line which I did not say publicly, but this is a podcast, so it's still publicized. I probably shouldn't say, but it was essentially the officer she was asked for it line where it's like, well, there were good reasons for them to lie about all this stuff, including essentially the fact that Trump was calling it the woo flu. You know, even though that that wasn't that wasn't exactly how it was phrased, but it was like it was like they had reasons to want to, you know, buffer trust in the scientific establishment by lying about where the where it came from. It's like, just admit it was totally wrong and you shouldn't have done it. And let's I mean, I'm not gonna say let's move on, but let's start with that. And let's start with we're not going to pretend that lockdown's work. We're not going to pretend that the MR and as you know, were a particularly big scientific advance, like we can. You can argue with me if you want about whether you know whether or not they worked at all or for how long they were.

No, and even you know, so the Times they wrote this piece on Sunday, and you know, two thirds of the way down there was the the line which I did not say publicly, but this is a podcast, so it's still publicized. I probably shouldn't say, but it was essentially the officer she was asked for it line where it's like, well, there were good reasons for them to lie about all this stuff, including essentially the fact that Trump was calling it the woo flu. You know, even though that that wasn't that wasn't exactly how it was phrased, but it was like it was like they had reasons to want to, you know, buffer trust in the scientific establishment by lying about where the where it came from. It's like, just admit it was totally wrong and you shouldn't have done it. And let's I mean, I'm not gonna say let's move on, but let's start with that. And let's start with we're not going to pretend that lockdown's work. We're not going to pretend that the MR and as you know, were a particularly big scientific advance, like we can. You can argue with me if you want about whether you know whether or not they worked at all or for how long they were.

We can have a reasonable discussion about that.

We can have a reasonable discussion about that.

But every time I read how they saved millions of lives and you know we're this movement, It's like, Okay, then why is maderna stock.

But every time I read how they saved millions of lives and you know we're this movement, It's like, Okay, then why is maderna stock.

Down ninety three percent from its high? Right?

Down ninety three percent from its high? Right?

The people who actually put money in the game know that this. But this was a complete hype job and didn't do very much.

The people who actually put money in the game know that this. But this was a complete hype job and didn't do very much.

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Well, you know one thing that if they can find a.

Well, you know one thing that if they can find a.

Way to do this within the balance of the First Amendment, they can reduce the amount of pharmaceutical.

Way to do this within the balance of the First Amendment, they can reduce the amount of pharmaceutical.

Advertising on television. That would unquestionably be a good thing.

Advertising on television. That would unquestionably be a good thing.

And again, like maybe you force them to put in so many disclaimers that it becomes economically impossible. Maybe you say that the ads have to you know, look a certain way so that they're not so attractive. But I do think that clearly, you know, pharmaceutical advertising is a bad thing generally, right it It encourages over prescriptions. And in the US, we use a lot of drugs, we use all you know, in every category, we use lots and lots of drugs and probably over prescribe. And that's probably led, you know, because physicians come under pressure from you know, from people who've seen these ads, and and it's easier at some point just to agree to get them out of your office than to and to explain to them, hey, maybe you should maybe you should exercise some more.

And again, like maybe you force them to put in so many disclaimers that it becomes economically impossible. Maybe you say that the ads have to you know, look a certain way so that they're not so attractive. But I do think that clearly, you know, pharmaceutical advertising is a bad thing generally, right it It encourages over prescriptions. And in the US, we use a lot of drugs, we use all you know, in every category, we use lots and lots of drugs and probably over prescribe. And that's probably led, you know, because physicians come under pressure from you know, from people who've seen these ads, and and it's easier at some point just to agree to get them out of your office than to and to explain to them, hey, maybe you should maybe you should exercise some more.

Or whatever the you know, whatever the solution might be.

Or whatever the you know, whatever the solution might be.

So I think I think reducing pharmaceutical advertising would be a good thing.

So I think I think reducing pharmaceutical advertising would be a good thing.

Now, again, there's a First Amendment issue there that they're going to have to figure out.

Now, again, there's a First Amendment issue there that they're going to have to figure out.

My personal uh uh bugaboo these days, and something that I've written about recently for Unreported Truths for my sub second and I'm thinking very very seriously about writing a book about is about opioids, and generally sort of this move towards you know, what I call drugs of abuse, addictive drugs whether and that can be that can be you know, that can be opioids, that can be amphetamines, that can be sort of the state level way that we've legalized cannabis, the United States has a terrible problem with addiction and overdose.

My personal uh uh bugaboo these days, and something that I've written about recently for Unreported Truths for my sub second and I'm thinking very very seriously about writing a book about is about opioids, and generally sort of this move towards you know, what I call drugs of abuse, addictive drugs whether and that can be that can be you know, that can be opioids, that can be amphetamines, that can be sort of the state level way that we've legalized cannabis, the United States has a terrible problem with addiction and overdose.

And can I tell you.

And can I tell you.

That one of the things that I know you've been for a long time somebody who's just very opposed to weed. And there are very few areas in public policy life where I think I have been kind of bamboozled. You know, maybe it's a little self congratulatory, but I tend to be good at smelling the bs uh. And I believed the oh legalized doing criminal not about anything except for weed. I mean, I was never like, oh, yeah, heroin, just like let people inject. I mean, you know, because there's different right there. There's a difference between you know, the difference between being bitten by a chihuahua and being bitten by a lion. Like there's a difference between weed and fentanyl, clearly, but even with weed, I you know, and I think maybe it's part of my generation too, and all the libertarians I knew were like, come on, man, like everyone's serving all this time in prison for weed, but that it was not that bad for you and really important medicinally years ago. It's been about a decade, but years ago, I believed that. And now when I see this stuff, I'm like, that is just bull.

That one of the things that I know you've been for a long time somebody who's just very opposed to weed. And there are very few areas in public policy life where I think I have been kind of bamboozled. You know, maybe it's a little self congratulatory, but I tend to be good at smelling the bs uh. And I believed the oh legalized doing criminal not about anything except for weed. I mean, I was never like, oh, yeah, heroin, just like let people inject. I mean, you know, because there's different right there. There's a difference between you know, the difference between being bitten by a chihuahua and being bitten by a lion. Like there's a difference between weed and fentanyl, clearly, but even with weed, I you know, and I think maybe it's part of my generation too, and all the libertarians I knew were like, come on, man, like everyone's serving all this time in prison for weed, but that it was not that bad for you and really important medicinally years ago. It's been about a decade, but years ago, I believed that. And now when I see this stuff, I'm like, that is just bull.

It is crap. Yes, it is crap.

It is crap. Yes, it is crap.

It is It is just it is just a very powerful and toxican and and you know, if you want to legalize it on that basis, it's not a good idea, but like that would at least be honest.

It is It is just it is just a very powerful and toxican and and you know, if you want to legalize it on that basis, it's not a good idea, but like that would at least be honest.

But everything, but you know what.

But everything, but you know what.

I'm talking about, right, they were saying, oh, people needed for bull, people needed for glaucoma and for fibromyalgia, and I'm like, wait, what that's what they need to need.

I'm talking about, right, they were saying, oh, people needed for bull, people needed for glaucoma and for fibromyalgia, and I'm like, wait, what that's what they need to need.

For Yeah, total lie.

For Yeah, total lie.

The condition that we cures is called not being high, and it's very effective at curing that. Everything else is pretty much nonsense.

The condition that we cures is called not being high, and it's very effective at curing that. Everything else is pretty much nonsense.

So no, but but we have a big problem.

So no, but but we have a big problem.

And you can go back and look twenty five years ago, you know, even a bit longer, and the US like are are, yes, we've prescribed a lot of opioids, but we but you know, we were sort of on the same chart as the rest of the world. And then you know Perdue Pharma, right, But it wasn't just Perdue Pharma. Perdue Pharma and Medicare did something called the fifth vital sign where they basically encourage doctors to treat pain as literally, I'm not joking. The other vital signs are like your breathing rate and your heart rate.

And you can go back and look twenty five years ago, you know, even a bit longer, and the US like are are, yes, we've prescribed a lot of opioids, but we but you know, we were sort of on the same chart as the rest of the world. And then you know Perdue Pharma, right, But it wasn't just Perdue Pharma. Perdue Pharma and Medicare did something called the fifth vital sign where they basically encourage doctors to treat pain as literally, I'm not joking. The other vital signs are like your breathing rate and your heart rate.

I'm gonna guess, yeah, pain was I'm gonna guess you've read this book. If you haven't, this needs to be the next thing that you Uh. Sam Kenone's Dreamland where he goes, okay, yeah, I figured you'd be all over this. It is an amazing book. He's an LA Times reporter. It's a great book.

I'm gonna guess, yeah, pain was I'm gonna guess you've read this book. If you haven't, this needs to be the next thing that you Uh. Sam Kenone's Dreamland where he goes, okay, yeah, I figured you'd be all over this. It is an amazing book. He's an LA Times reporter. It's a great book.

I don't care.

I don't care.

I don't know what his politics are. The politics don't come through in the book. Just a lot of really interesting information. And when he goes into the basis for what you said, the fifth sign is pain, and everyone has to like, how much pain are you in right now? It's like, I'm fine, Like what am I? But to create that and then also the it's not addictive with oxy cotton.

I don't know what his politics are. The politics don't come through in the book. Just a lot of really interesting information. And when he goes into the basis for what you said, the fifth sign is pain, and everyone has to like, how much pain are you in right now? It's like, I'm fine, Like what am I? But to create that and then also the it's not addictive with oxy cotton.

That was a great and we are still faking.

That was a great and we are still faking.

Which is clearly it's just to be clear, it's a huge, huge, huge lie everybody obviously, but that was what they said.

Which is clearly it's just to be clear, it's a huge, huge, huge lie everybody obviously, but that was what they said.

That was what they said.

That was what they said.

And by way, another interesting thing about oxy coton is that it's not a new drug. By the way, Fentanyl's not new either. Fentol was invented in nineteen fifty nine. So these drugs have been around. It's just that we have managed this crisis so badly and on the and you know, there's this left libertarian nexus that you see on cannabis, but you see with opioids and other drugs abuse too, where where it's well, we can't we can't tell people know, and then if something goes wrong on the left it's like, well, we have to give people endless rehab.

And by way, another interesting thing about oxy coton is that it's not a new drug. By the way, Fentanyl's not new either. Fentol was invented in nineteen fifty nine. So these drugs have been around. It's just that we have managed this crisis so badly and on the and you know, there's this left libertarian nexus that you see on cannabis, but you see with opioids and other drugs abuse too, where where it's well, we can't we can't tell people know, and then if something goes wrong on the left it's like, well, we have to give people endless rehab.

We can never send them to jail.

We can never send them to jail.

It's just got We've just got to treat them as these poor, you know, patients. And it is a big it's all a big lie, and it's led to over a million deaths.

It's just got We've just got to treat them as these poor, you know, patients. And it is a big it's all a big lie, and it's led to over a million deaths.

I said this on radio recently because we're talking about about the border Alexes and people talk about what a problem fentanyl is. That now I'm actually forgetting. But I think as recently as two thousand and four, all overdotes deaths in America, it was like fifteen thousand or twenty thousand or something. That's a tiny fraction of what it is now.

I said this on radio recently because we're talking about about the border Alexes and people talk about what a problem fentanyl is. That now I'm actually forgetting. But I think as recently as two thousand and four, all overdotes deaths in America, it was like fifteen thousand or twenty thousand or something. That's a tiny fraction of what it is now.

That's correct. And in nineteen eighty it was six thousand, okay. And in nineteen sixty You're not gonna believe this, but it's true. In nineteen sixty, including suicides not just accidental over us, it was fewer than two thousands.

That's correct. And in nineteen eighty it was six thousand, okay. And in nineteen sixty You're not gonna believe this, but it's true. In nineteen sixty, including suicides not just accidental over us, it was fewer than two thousands.

Okay.

Okay.

The idea that the United States has, you know, has this culture of drug use that you can't fix. That you just have to manage, and you have to do all this harm reduction and let people use until they die because we're just this incredibly screwed up country. The historical record actually suggests the opposite.

The idea that the United States has, you know, has this culture of drug use that you can't fix. That you just have to manage, and you have to do all this harm reduction and let people use until they die because we're just this incredibly screwed up country. The historical record actually suggests the opposite.

Well, this is this is a very good book that you're going to write. So you need to write this book because this is an important book. And I know a guy with a very big radio show that now is on five hundred and fifty five stations. I think where you should come and talk about the book when you write it. So that's a good thing for you to do.

Well, this is this is a very good book that you're going to write. So you need to write this book because this is an important book. And I know a guy with a very big radio show that now is on five hundred and fifty five stations. I think where you should come and talk about the book when you write it. So that's a good thing for you to do.

All right.

All right.

Well, that's so that's what I'm up to.

Well, that's so that's what I'm up to.

And you know, I am working hard and somebody I won't name who told me that I should get a podcast on the go.

And you know, I am working hard and somebody I won't name who told me that I should get a podcast on the go.

Also, yes, you should at least do a weekly to go with your sub stack. Okay, that's orders from somebody who's a smart guy who likes parentson's work. So you should at least do a weekly podcast to add into your stuff. All your subscribers, including me, are going to be very pleased with that. Can I ask you an Israel question? Which is funny to me because you're you're a little heterodox, like I don't necessarily know where you're going to go on. You know, I feel like you call balls and strikes with Trump. I have no idea what you're gonna say.

Also, yes, you should at least do a weekly to go with your sub stack. Okay, that's orders from somebody who's a smart guy who likes parentson's work. So you should at least do a weekly podcast to add into your stuff. All your subscribers, including me, are going to be very pleased with that. Can I ask you an Israel question? Which is funny to me because you're you're a little heterodox, like I don't necessarily know where you're going to go on. You know, I feel like you call balls and strikes with Trump. I have no idea what you're gonna say.

I don't.

I don't.

I don't think I've ever talked about Israel Hamas stuff. Can we do one of those questions in a second after I get to sure? Okay, all right, I'm this is gonna be interesting to me. Alex could go while Alex all of a sudden could throw a cafe on. He could go wild. I have no idea what's going on here, let's see. But our sponsor here is why I'm thinking about this International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has supported and will continue to support the people of Israel with life saving security essentials, and your gift today will help save lives by providing bomb shelters, armored security vehicles, ambulance, firefighting equipment, flack jackets, bulletproofsts, and so much more. Your generous donation today will help ensure the people of Israel are safe and secure in the days to come. As you know, the fighting has started again, the ceasefire has ended. Give a gift to Blessed Israel and her people by visiting support IFCJ dot org. That's one word, support IFCJ dot org. We're called eight eight eight four eight eight I f CJ. That's eight eight eight four eight eight I f CJ. What do you make of where things stand right now? I mean I mentioned it just there, Alex, but Israel's bombing again, going into Gaza. They can't get the hostages back. Where's where's your mind on all this?

I don't think I've ever talked about Israel Hamas stuff. Can we do one of those questions in a second after I get to sure? Okay, all right, I'm this is gonna be interesting to me. Alex could go while Alex all of a sudden could throw a cafe on. He could go wild. I have no idea what's going on here, let's see. But our sponsor here is why I'm thinking about this International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has supported and will continue to support the people of Israel with life saving security essentials, and your gift today will help save lives by providing bomb shelters, armored security vehicles, ambulance, firefighting equipment, flack jackets, bulletproofsts, and so much more. Your generous donation today will help ensure the people of Israel are safe and secure in the days to come. As you know, the fighting has started again, the ceasefire has ended. Give a gift to Blessed Israel and her people by visiting support IFCJ dot org. That's one word, support IFCJ dot org. We're called eight eight eight four eight eight I f CJ. That's eight eight eight four eight eight I f CJ. What do you make of where things stand right now? I mean I mentioned it just there, Alex, but Israel's bombing again, going into Gaza. They can't get the hostages back. Where's where's your mind on all this?

So putting aside, you know what Trump is doing in the US response, and because that I think actually is a much more complicated question. I think, look, look where Israel was on October eighth, and look where they are now. They have destroyed you know, has Belah. They you know that they have essentially made it impossible for the Iranians to get to them through Syria. They have shown the Iranians that they can attack the rany and air defenses whenever they want, and they have and they have leveled Gaza right now, They've done a lot of damage to the civilian population. But the Gaza, you know, Hamas started the war, right and so you don't really get to say, uh, if you start the war that you know, now it's over, like the other side gets there. You know, well one side or the other gets to say that it's over. But it's sort of too bad for you that you started this war. So I don't have a problem. And it's pretty clear. It was clear to me in December that the ceasefire had come about because Israel had won. Right there, Nobody the the Hamas Bet was We're going to do this incredible thing on October seventh. We're going to punch the Israelis in the nose. We're going to do all this damage. We're going to show that that you know that the border security that they had was bs and then the.

So putting aside, you know what Trump is doing in the US response, and because that I think actually is a much more complicated question. I think, look, look where Israel was on October eighth, and look where they are now. They have destroyed you know, has Belah. They you know that they have essentially made it impossible for the Iranians to get to them through Syria. They have shown the Iranians that they can attack the rany and air defenses whenever they want, and they have and they have leveled Gaza right now, They've done a lot of damage to the civilian population. But the Gaza, you know, Hamas started the war, right and so you don't really get to say, uh, if you start the war that you know, now it's over, like the other side gets there. You know, well one side or the other gets to say that it's over. But it's sort of too bad for you that you started this war. So I don't have a problem. And it's pretty clear. It was clear to me in December that the ceasefire had come about because Israel had won. Right there, Nobody the the Hamas Bet was We're going to do this incredible thing on October seventh. We're going to punch the Israelis in the nose. We're going to do all this damage. We're going to show that that you know that the border security that they had was bs and then the.

Can I jump in on that isn't that just It wasn't that just a I mean, put aside the monstrousness of it and the just the horrific nature of the attack, which is a given, yes, but is it as it just?

Can I jump in on that isn't that just It wasn't that just a I mean, put aside the monstrousness of it and the just the horrific nature of the attack, which is a given, yes, but is it as it just?

To me?

To me?

It strikes me as strategically a huge miscalculation from them, as from them as well.

It strikes me as strategically a huge miscalculation from them, as from them as well.

It turned out for me, a huge miscalculation.

It turned out for me, a huge miscalculation.

I don't think they knew that because because one of the things about it is they didn't really tell Iran I think in detail or Hesbel Law in detail.

I don't think they knew that because because one of the things about it is they didn't really tell Iran I think in detail or Hesbel Law in detail.

They sort of thought, we're going to do this.

They sort of thought, we're going to do this.

And the Arab world is going to come to our aid, and you know, and the Persians and Hesbel are going to come to our aid this year, going to come to our aid. It's gonna be a great day for everybody who hates Jews. And it turned out that none of those people actually like Jamas, and so they let Hamas fight and get destroyed. And then the Israelis did this, you know, incredible, really one of the great intelligence operations.

And the Arab world is going to come to our aid, and you know, and the Persians and Hesbel are going to come to our aid this year, going to come to our aid. It's gonna be a great day for everybody who hates Jews. And it turned out that none of those people actually like Jamas, and so they let Hamas fight and get destroyed. And then the Israelis did this, you know, incredible, really one of the great intelligence operations.

Of all I was going to say that the Law and I know a lot of intel operations, you know, historically and from the time when I worked there with they pulled off with the pagers and the beepers is maybe the most impressive intel operation I've ever heard of.

Of all I was going to say that the Law and I know a lot of intel operations, you know, historically and from the time when I worked there with they pulled off with the pagers and the beepers is maybe the most impressive intel operation I've ever heard of.

And by the way, it's rare that you can have an intel operation that makes a difference strategically right now, just tactically, but that was actually a strategically It's like radar in World War Two. It actually changed the course of what was happening in Lebanon. So so the Israelis won, right, and then they made, uh, you know, sort of a pretty favorable cease fire with Hamas, and Hamas I think has realized that there's gonna be no Hamas left if they hand over all the hostages, so they don't want to. So these Raelies are just going to go in and beat them up some more. And maybe the problem, I guess for the Israelis is there really is no other governing force in Gaza. So what you really do with Gaza nobody knows, right, And I mean, the Trump Gaza thing was insane, but it was. It was sort of Trump's response to the problem of Gaza, which has no solution.

And by the way, it's rare that you can have an intel operation that makes a difference strategically right now, just tactically, but that was actually a strategically It's like radar in World War Two. It actually changed the course of what was happening in Lebanon. So so the Israelis won, right, and then they made, uh, you know, sort of a pretty favorable cease fire with Hamas, and Hamas I think has realized that there's gonna be no Hamas left if they hand over all the hostages, so they don't want to. So these Raelies are just going to go in and beat them up some more. And maybe the problem, I guess for the Israelis is there really is no other governing force in Gaza. So what you really do with Gaza nobody knows, right, And I mean, the Trump Gaza thing was insane, but it was. It was sort of Trump's response to the problem of Gaza, which has no solution.

Well, I was going to say, I've told people that it's the Trump thing. Sounds a little bit outlandish until you think about the more outlandis outlandish option is keep Hamas in charge, let them rebuild with international money and just go back, you know, just go back to what we had. I mean, I actually think that's crazier than trying to build Trump Tower Gaza or whatever it was I was talking about.

Well, I was going to say, I've told people that it's the Trump thing. Sounds a little bit outlandish until you think about the more outlandis outlandish option is keep Hamas in charge, let them rebuild with international money and just go back, you know, just go back to what we had. I mean, I actually think that's crazier than trying to build Trump Tower Gaza or whatever it was I was talking about.

I mean, that's right.

I mean, that's right.

I mean, so, so these reelies may feel like, hey, we're just gonna do this again, and we're gonna, you know, we're gonna either kill every you know, everybody with an ak who's over twelve in Gaza, or we're gonna, you know, make it so miserable that either you know that there's some sane people in Hamas or there's some sane people outside Hamas who say, we just can't live like this anymore.

I mean, so, so these reelies may feel like, hey, we're just gonna do this again, and we're gonna, you know, we're gonna either kill every you know, everybody with an ak who's over twelve in Gaza, or we're gonna, you know, make it so miserable that either you know that there's some sane people in Hamas or there's some sane people outside Hamas who say, we just can't live like this anymore.

I don't know what.

I don't know what.

Their calculation is, but I do know this. They are now in a position of strength and they're gonna do what they want.

Their calculation is, but I do know this. They are now in a position of strength and they're gonna do what they want.

Yeah, and they should. This is what I keep telling people. You know, elections have consequences. Starting wars have consequences too. This is what this is reality. This has been true of all for all of human history, and Gaza started this war. So you know there's that thing about mess around and find out. That's what's going on right now Alex Perence and everybody. He's gonna be starting a podcast soon. He announced it on this show, So now we're gonna we're gonna keep him him to it at least once a week Alex and uh check out Unreported Truth. Subscribe to it on substack. Thanks for making the time and always great to chat with you.

Yeah, and they should. This is what I keep telling people. You know, elections have consequences. Starting wars have consequences too. This is what this is reality. This has been true of all for all of human history, and Gaza started this war. So you know there's that thing about mess around and find out. That's what's going on right now Alex Perence and everybody. He's gonna be starting a podcast soon. He announced it on this show, So now we're gonna we're gonna keep him him to it at least once a week Alex and uh check out Unreported Truth. Subscribe to it on substack. Thanks for making the time and always great to chat with you.

Fuck, I'm always a pleasure. And yeah, I'll be in. We'll be competitors soon, but I hope that's great.

Fuck, I'm always a pleasure. And yeah, I'll be in. We'll be competitors soon, but I hope that's great.

Hey, I'll come on the Bearonson Show. I love no one. Everyone always just expects me to host. I can guest. I like guesting, you know what I mean. Like everyone's just I've been I've been hosting for fifteen years. I'm like, I'll show up and guest with people.

Hey, I'll come on the Bearonson Show. I love no one. Everyone always just expects me to host. I can guest. I like guesting, you know what I mean. Like everyone's just I've been I've been hosting for fifteen years. I'm like, I'll show up and guest with people.

So you let me know.

So you let me know.

You're you're a very good host, because I think what I'll have to learn it when I host is that you can't overtalk the guests.

You're you're a very good host, because I think what I'll have to learn it when I host is that you can't overtalk the guests.

And you're very good at you know you, thank you question.

And you're very good at you know you, thank you question.

I want the guest. I want the guest to shine. I like to throw that pitch right down the middle and let them swing. So good to see you, my friend, thanks again, thank you sir,

I want the guest. I want the guest to shine. I like to throw that pitch right down the middle and let them swing. So good to see you, my friend, thanks again, thank you sir,