Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion is advised.

Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion is advised.

Hey, Haunted Roadies, I know you like spooky stuff, That's why you're here, But have you taken it a step further and joined the Paranormal Circle yet? The Paranormal Circle is an online community that I created for all of us ghost nerds. It focus on ghosts, hauntings, paranormal investigations, research, you name it. So whether you're a casual ghost story lover or a full on paranormal enthusiast, I know you're going to love the Circle. We have live q and as and roundtable discussions with guests like Josh Gates, Chip Coffee, Adam Berry and Moore. There are twenty four to seven live webcams streaming from haunted locations, including Against my Better Judgment one in my very own attic of my three hundred year old house, focus on a bunch of haunted things that I've collected over the years. We also do in person stuff too, meetups at events and conferences, plus exclusive meetups just for members. If you come see me on tour, there's always a free gift waiting for Paranormal Circle members at.

Hey, Haunted Roadies, I know you like spooky stuff, That's why you're here, But have you taken it a step further and joined the Paranormal Circle yet? The Paranormal Circle is an online community that I created for all of us ghost nerds. It focus on ghosts, hauntings, paranormal investigations, research, you name it. So whether you're a casual ghost story lover or a full on paranormal enthusiast, I know you're going to love the Circle. We have live q and as and roundtable discussions with guests like Josh Gates, Chip Coffee, Adam Berry and Moore. There are twenty four to seven live webcams streaming from haunted locations, including Against my Better Judgment one in my very own attic of my three hundred year old house, focus on a bunch of haunted things that I've collected over the years. We also do in person stuff too, meetups at events and conferences, plus exclusive meetups just for members. If you come see me on tour, there's always a free gift waiting for Paranormal Circle members at.

The merch table.

The merch table.

So if this sounds like something you want to check out.

So if this sounds like something you want to check out.

You can start a free trial today.

You can start a free trial today.

Head to Amybrune dot com slash join to find out more and Haunted Roadies. You can use code Haunted road ten for ten percent off your annual membership. I've tried to keep this very affordable. Full disclosure, it's eight to ten dollars a month, but I think what you get for that is pretty incredible. So please check it out. Join us if you dare. We'll see you out there. Thank you, Haunted Roadies. Two decades ago, I was getting ready to investigate a dream location, a place that had been on my bucket list four years, a place I had visited many times during the day, but the whole time longed to return at night. Somehow, my team and I had this place basically to ourselves. We were entrusted with the keys to the kingdom, as they say. This massive old mansion has tours during the day, with costumed guides taking tourists through its many halls. The sun was going down and the place had been closed for hours. But as I was bringing my equipment in, there was who I believed to be one of those costumed docents scurrying across the lawn like she had some place to be. In her gray dress and bonnet, she looked quite at home in her surroundings. But I knew they had gotten off work hours ago, so I went to my other team members and let them know what I'd seen, afraid perhaps that she could contaminate our investigation. A quick call to security confirmed what we had thought originally. There were no employees there other than a few security folks. Definitely no one still in costume. So who had I seen walking across the lawn that evening? Let's find out? Shall we join me Haunted roadies as we visit the infamous Winchester Mystery House. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. A very unique house sits in San Jose, California, about an hour south of San Francisco. It's called the Winchester Mystery House, and it's a Queen Anne Revival style mansion, albeit with some Romanesque and Gothic features. The yellow home has red roofs that ascend into peaks and conical turrets. If you're a Disney fan, you might think it looks a lot like their Haunted Mansion attraction, which is fair. This real home was an inspiration for the ride, and as striking as it looks from the outside, the inside of the Winchester Mystery House is truly bizarre. Some of its one hundred and sixty rooms are dark and stuffy, others are airy, with big windows to let in the sunlight. Windows, mirrors, and doors sit in unexpected places or hang at odd angles. The roof is partially made of glass. Additionally, many of the windows aren't shaped like a traditional four panel square, but like a spider web. But it's not the decor that gives Winchester its reputation, it's the layout. It sprawls across twenty four thousand square feet and features hallways that lead nowhere and doors that open to solid walls. This makes the home maze like and disorienting. Some people have even said it feels bigger on the inside than on the outside. The number thirteen seems to be important here. There's a staircase with thirteen steps, a window with thirteen panes of glass, and a ceiling with thirteen panels. For nearly one hundred and forty years, people have speculated about why the house is like this. The truth is the history of the Winchester Mystery House is inextricably tied up with the woman who designed and built it, Sarah Winchester. She was born in eighteen thirty nine in Connecticut, and even before Sarah had taken her first breath, tragedy struck her family. Her parents had previously given birth to another girl, also named Sarah. That girl died before her second birthday, and the younger Sarah was named for her deceased sister. Despite the early loss, Sarah grew up in a large, wealthy family. She was well educated and known for her beauty, and when she was in her early twenties, she married a man named William Winchester. William was rich in his own right. He was also the son of a gun manufacturer whose company made the Winchester rifle. It wasn't the only source of income for William, but it ensured he and his wife would never want for anything, at least nothing that could be bought with money. William and Sarah's marriage was loving, but also marked with more tragedies. Their first and only child, Annie, died in eighteen sixty six when she was barely a month old. William and Sarah were devastated by the loss and coped by designing and building a home together in New Haven, Connecticut. They both appreciated architecture and enjoyed this kind of work, so the project gave them a reason to get out of bed each day. Years later, Sarah lost her mother in May of eighteen eighty and in December of that same year, William's father passed. Sadly, William only outlived his father by about three more months. In March of eighteen eighty one, he died of tuberculosis. He was only forty three years old. After his passing, Sarah inherited half of his firearms company, as well as his family fortune, and once again Sarah had to cope with her grief.

Head to Amybrune dot com slash join to find out more and Haunted Roadies. You can use code Haunted road ten for ten percent off your annual membership. I've tried to keep this very affordable. Full disclosure, it's eight to ten dollars a month, but I think what you get for that is pretty incredible. So please check it out. Join us if you dare. We'll see you out there. Thank you, Haunted Roadies. Two decades ago, I was getting ready to investigate a dream location, a place that had been on my bucket list four years, a place I had visited many times during the day, but the whole time longed to return at night. Somehow, my team and I had this place basically to ourselves. We were entrusted with the keys to the kingdom, as they say. This massive old mansion has tours during the day, with costumed guides taking tourists through its many halls. The sun was going down and the place had been closed for hours. But as I was bringing my equipment in, there was who I believed to be one of those costumed docents scurrying across the lawn like she had some place to be. In her gray dress and bonnet, she looked quite at home in her surroundings. But I knew they had gotten off work hours ago, so I went to my other team members and let them know what I'd seen, afraid perhaps that she could contaminate our investigation. A quick call to security confirmed what we had thought originally. There were no employees there other than a few security folks. Definitely no one still in costume. So who had I seen walking across the lawn that evening? Let's find out? Shall we join me Haunted roadies as we visit the infamous Winchester Mystery House. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. A very unique house sits in San Jose, California, about an hour south of San Francisco. It's called the Winchester Mystery House, and it's a Queen Anne Revival style mansion, albeit with some Romanesque and Gothic features. The yellow home has red roofs that ascend into peaks and conical turrets. If you're a Disney fan, you might think it looks a lot like their Haunted Mansion attraction, which is fair. This real home was an inspiration for the ride, and as striking as it looks from the outside, the inside of the Winchester Mystery House is truly bizarre. Some of its one hundred and sixty rooms are dark and stuffy, others are airy, with big windows to let in the sunlight. Windows, mirrors, and doors sit in unexpected places or hang at odd angles. The roof is partially made of glass. Additionally, many of the windows aren't shaped like a traditional four panel square, but like a spider web. But it's not the decor that gives Winchester its reputation, it's the layout. It sprawls across twenty four thousand square feet and features hallways that lead nowhere and doors that open to solid walls. This makes the home maze like and disorienting. Some people have even said it feels bigger on the inside than on the outside. The number thirteen seems to be important here. There's a staircase with thirteen steps, a window with thirteen panes of glass, and a ceiling with thirteen panels. For nearly one hundred and forty years, people have speculated about why the house is like this. The truth is the history of the Winchester Mystery House is inextricably tied up with the woman who designed and built it, Sarah Winchester. She was born in eighteen thirty nine in Connecticut, and even before Sarah had taken her first breath, tragedy struck her family. Her parents had previously given birth to another girl, also named Sarah. That girl died before her second birthday, and the younger Sarah was named for her deceased sister. Despite the early loss, Sarah grew up in a large, wealthy family. She was well educated and known for her beauty, and when she was in her early twenties, she married a man named William Winchester. William was rich in his own right. He was also the son of a gun manufacturer whose company made the Winchester rifle. It wasn't the only source of income for William, but it ensured he and his wife would never want for anything, at least nothing that could be bought with money. William and Sarah's marriage was loving, but also marked with more tragedies. Their first and only child, Annie, died in eighteen sixty six when she was barely a month old. William and Sarah were devastated by the loss and coped by designing and building a home together in New Haven, Connecticut. They both appreciated architecture and enjoyed this kind of work, so the project gave them a reason to get out of bed each day. Years later, Sarah lost her mother in May of eighteen eighty and in December of that same year, William's father passed. Sadly, William only outlived his father by about three more months. In March of eighteen eighty one, he died of tuberculosis. He was only forty three years old. After his passing, Sarah inherited half of his firearms company, as well as his family fortune, and once again Sarah had to cope with her grief.

But now she.

But now she.

Didn't have William to lean on anymore. She never stopped mourning, and she spent the rest of her life wearing black clothes and a veil every single day. It probably didn't help that three years later, in eighteen eighty four, Sarah suffered another untimely loss. This time it was her oldest sister, Mary, who succumbed to an illness. By now, Sarah was in her mid forties and she'd lost her mother, her husband, her sister, and her only child. It was time for a fresh start, and she moved to California with her surviving siblings. This was also when she returned to the hobby that had given her such relief during an earlier period of mourning. Home design and construction. In eighteen eighty six, Sarah bought a small, eight room farmhouse in what's now San Jose. It was far too modest for her. She hoped to share the home with all three of her sisters and their families, so she hired a construction team to expand the home, and even after her sisters made separate living arrangements, she kept renovating. Sarah called the property yonada villa, translated into an English that means house on flat land, but of course it would later be known as the Winchester Mystery House. Right off the bat, Sarah broke with convention. First, she hired two different architects, but ultimately let them both go so she could design the house for herself. It was very unusual for women to do architectural work in the eighteen hundreds, so this certainly turned some heads. According to Elizabeth Savoda of Atlas Obscura. Sarah was also an unusually good boss.

Didn't have William to lean on anymore. She never stopped mourning, and she spent the rest of her life wearing black clothes and a veil every single day. It probably didn't help that three years later, in eighteen eighty four, Sarah suffered another untimely loss. This time it was her oldest sister, Mary, who succumbed to an illness. By now, Sarah was in her mid forties and she'd lost her mother, her husband, her sister, and her only child. It was time for a fresh start, and she moved to California with her surviving siblings. This was also when she returned to the hobby that had given her such relief during an earlier period of mourning. Home design and construction. In eighteen eighty six, Sarah bought a small, eight room farmhouse in what's now San Jose. It was far too modest for her. She hoped to share the home with all three of her sisters and their families, so she hired a construction team to expand the home, and even after her sisters made separate living arrangements, she kept renovating. Sarah called the property yonada villa, translated into an English that means house on flat land, but of course it would later be known as the Winchester Mystery House. Right off the bat, Sarah broke with convention. First, she hired two different architects, but ultimately let them both go so she could design the house for herself. It was very unusual for women to do architectural work in the eighteen hundreds, so this certainly turned some heads. According to Elizabeth Savoda of Atlas Obscura. Sarah was also an unusually good boss.

She paid her.

She paid her.

Workers well and gave them frequent breaks. This may have been because she suffered from rheumatoid arthritis, which left her feeling exhausted all of the time. She also sympathized with her employees and ensured that they had a chance to rest and recover every time she needed to step back from her own responsibilities. Sarah's rheumatoid arthritis also made it difficult for her to walk up and down standard size stairs. She designed her home staircases to be shallower than usual. She also rarely interacted with anyone but her construction crews and family because her condition made it painful for her to get around town. All to say, Sarah's choices had logic to them, but her neighbors and other people in her community weren't privy to these details about her personal life. They knew Sarah as a mysterious recluse. They also noticed that by eighteen ninety six, the home was still under construction, fully ten years after she'd begun. The renovation project. By now Yanata Villa was several stories high. Sarah had also added a seven story tower then Once it was finished, she decided she didn't like it and ordered it to be torn down and rebuilt, except then she didn't like the second version of the tower or the third. According to a newspaper from the time, it took sixteen tries before the construction crews got the tower just right, and that situation wasn't unique. According to author Mary Joe Ignoffo, Sarah had several rooms torn down and rebuilt to ensure they matched her specifications. Eccentricities like these ensured that rumor and speculation flew. It was only a matter of time before people theorized that the ongoing expansions and renovations were a cult in nature. Some believed that Sarah was building without ceasing to work out guilty feelings. She may have been troubled by the fortune her husband had left her, specifically because he'd made so much of his money selling Winchester rifles. As the story went, Sarah was also an avid spiritualist who often hosted seances in her home. During one of those sessions, a medium supposedly told her that she'd lost her husband and daughter because gun sales had brought a curse down on her family. Now the ghost of every person who'd ever been killed by a Winchester rifle had come to haunt Sarah as well. She needed to keep making the house larger and larger to appease all of the lost souls. If she ever finished construction or stopped the work, they would kill her too. According to Mitch Goth of Haunted Us, Sarah hosted even more seances to consult with the ghosts about what structural changes she should make. Another rumor said that ghosts couldn't be satisfied, only avoided, so Sarah intentionally made her home huge and maze like to make it harder for the specters to find her. She also supposedly slept in a different bedroom every night, just to stay one step ahead of the spirits. By this time in her life, Sarah was very reclusive. She never entertained guests and rarely appeared in public.

Workers well and gave them frequent breaks. This may have been because she suffered from rheumatoid arthritis, which left her feeling exhausted all of the time. She also sympathized with her employees and ensured that they had a chance to rest and recover every time she needed to step back from her own responsibilities. Sarah's rheumatoid arthritis also made it difficult for her to walk up and down standard size stairs. She designed her home staircases to be shallower than usual. She also rarely interacted with anyone but her construction crews and family because her condition made it painful for her to get around town. All to say, Sarah's choices had logic to them, but her neighbors and other people in her community weren't privy to these details about her personal life. They knew Sarah as a mysterious recluse. They also noticed that by eighteen ninety six, the home was still under construction, fully ten years after she'd begun. The renovation project. By now Yanata Villa was several stories high. Sarah had also added a seven story tower then Once it was finished, she decided she didn't like it and ordered it to be torn down and rebuilt, except then she didn't like the second version of the tower or the third. According to a newspaper from the time, it took sixteen tries before the construction crews got the tower just right, and that situation wasn't unique. According to author Mary Joe Ignoffo, Sarah had several rooms torn down and rebuilt to ensure they matched her specifications. Eccentricities like these ensured that rumor and speculation flew. It was only a matter of time before people theorized that the ongoing expansions and renovations were a cult in nature. Some believed that Sarah was building without ceasing to work out guilty feelings. She may have been troubled by the fortune her husband had left her, specifically because he'd made so much of his money selling Winchester rifles. As the story went, Sarah was also an avid spiritualist who often hosted seances in her home. During one of those sessions, a medium supposedly told her that she'd lost her husband and daughter because gun sales had brought a curse down on her family. Now the ghost of every person who'd ever been killed by a Winchester rifle had come to haunt Sarah as well. She needed to keep making the house larger and larger to appease all of the lost souls. If she ever finished construction or stopped the work, they would kill her too. According to Mitch Goth of Haunted Us, Sarah hosted even more seances to consult with the ghosts about what structural changes she should make. Another rumor said that ghosts couldn't be satisfied, only avoided, so Sarah intentionally made her home huge and maze like to make it harder for the specters to find her. She also supposedly slept in a different bedroom every night, just to stay one step ahead of the spirits. By this time in her life, Sarah was very reclusive. She never entertained guests and rarely appeared in public.

She also never.

She also never.

Confirmed or denied any of the speculation, so it's hard to know if there was any truth to these rumors. That said, it was quite common for wealthy women at the time to host seances, and firearms were already controversial even in those days, so it is quite possible that a medium could have come to Sarah's home and warned her about the spiritual dangers associated with her family fortune. However, there's no hard evidence that Sarah ever hosted a seance at Yanatavilla, nor did she ever give any indication that she felt guilty about her association with the Winchester rifle. Whatever her reasons, Sarah continued expanding the house until disaster struck. On April eighteenth, nineteen oh six, a massive earthquake shook San Francisco and the surrounding area. This included San Jose, where Yanata Villa was standing. There's no record of where Sarah was that day, but rumor suggests she was at the Mystery House when the quake hit. The seven story tower collapsed, as did several of the upper floors. It's hard to estimate the extent of the damage because there are no blueprints showing the house's original layout, but the destruction was unquestionably intensive. As the story goes, Sarah supposedly became trapped in the room known as the Daisy Bedroom. Although she repeatedly called for help and rang a bell to notify her staff that she was in trouble, it took them hours to find her, since Sarah slept in a different room every night. They had no idea where she could have been at the time of the tremor. Luckily for Sarah, she survived the disaster and made it out alive. Sadly, her home was badly damaged. She ordered several crumbling wings and whole stories to be walled off. Those areas were never repaired, and after the earthquake, the construction work as a whole ceased.

Confirmed or denied any of the speculation, so it's hard to know if there was any truth to these rumors. That said, it was quite common for wealthy women at the time to host seances, and firearms were already controversial even in those days, so it is quite possible that a medium could have come to Sarah's home and warned her about the spiritual dangers associated with her family fortune. However, there's no hard evidence that Sarah ever hosted a seance at Yanatavilla, nor did she ever give any indication that she felt guilty about her association with the Winchester rifle. Whatever her reasons, Sarah continued expanding the house until disaster struck. On April eighteenth, nineteen oh six, a massive earthquake shook San Francisco and the surrounding area. This included San Jose, where Yanata Villa was standing. There's no record of where Sarah was that day, but rumor suggests she was at the Mystery House when the quake hit. The seven story tower collapsed, as did several of the upper floors. It's hard to estimate the extent of the damage because there are no blueprints showing the house's original layout, but the destruction was unquestionably intensive. As the story goes, Sarah supposedly became trapped in the room known as the Daisy Bedroom. Although she repeatedly called for help and rang a bell to notify her staff that she was in trouble, it took them hours to find her, since Sarah slept in a different room every night. They had no idea where she could have been at the time of the tremor. Luckily for Sarah, she survived the disaster and made it out alive. Sadly, her home was badly damaged. She ordered several crumbling wings and whole stories to be walled off. Those areas were never repaired, and after the earthquake, the construction work as a whole ceased.

It's possible this is the true.

It's possible this is the true.

Reason for the Mystery House's current doorways and hallways to nowhere. They might not have been built on purpose. Instead, they were left to sit unrepaired in the aftermath of the earthquake. But again it's hard to say for sure, because after the disaster, more and gossip plagued Sarah. Now People whispered that she was mentally unstable and obsessed with the apocalypse. Others said the earthquake was a sign that restless spirits were unhappy with her continued renovations. Whatever the truth lay, Sarah spent less time at Nada Villa. However, she was there on September fifth, nineteen twenty two. That's when she passed away at the age of eighty three, The Winchester Mystery House sold right away after her death, Even though appraiser said it had no monetary value whatsoever, the new owners saw its potential. Though by this time the house was already rumored to be haunted. Many thought that the stories of Sarah hiding from the ghosts of the Winchester Rifle victims had a ring of authenticity, whether they were true or not, and by summer nineteen twenty three, the new owners were marketing it as a haunted house and offering tours to their customers. In October ninth, teen twenty four, Harry Houdini himself visited. Now Houdini was there to investigate not because he believed it was haunted, but because he wanted to debunk the rumors. But according to the Winchester Mystery House website, he left the house feeling conflicted about whatever he had experienced there. These days, tourists are still allowed to walk through the home and explore its mysteries for themselves. Time magazine considers it one of the top ten most haunted places.

Reason for the Mystery House's current doorways and hallways to nowhere. They might not have been built on purpose. Instead, they were left to sit unrepaired in the aftermath of the earthquake. But again it's hard to say for sure, because after the disaster, more and gossip plagued Sarah. Now People whispered that she was mentally unstable and obsessed with the apocalypse. Others said the earthquake was a sign that restless spirits were unhappy with her continued renovations. Whatever the truth lay, Sarah spent less time at Nada Villa. However, she was there on September fifth, nineteen twenty two. That's when she passed away at the age of eighty three, The Winchester Mystery House sold right away after her death, Even though appraiser said it had no monetary value whatsoever, the new owners saw its potential. Though by this time the house was already rumored to be haunted. Many thought that the stories of Sarah hiding from the ghosts of the Winchester Rifle victims had a ring of authenticity, whether they were true or not, and by summer nineteen twenty three, the new owners were marketing it as a haunted house and offering tours to their customers. In October ninth, teen twenty four, Harry Houdini himself visited. Now Houdini was there to investigate not because he believed it was haunted, but because he wanted to debunk the rumors. But according to the Winchester Mystery House website, he left the house feeling conflicted about whatever he had experienced there. These days, tourists are still allowed to walk through the home and explore its mysteries for themselves. Time magazine considers it one of the top ten most haunted places.

In the whole world.

In the whole world.

Numerous visitors claim they felt a presence in the home, a friendly one that said some staffers and tourists flat out refused to go into certain rooms. That includes the so called Witch's Cap, which is in the South Turret. It's not easy to get there. Visitors have to go through a cluttered attic and a narrow hallway that's only five feet tall. Eventually they'll reach a wooden, circular room that's supposed to be a hotbed for supernatural incidents. The Daisy Bedroom is also highly active. That is the room where Sarah reportedly got trapped during the nineteen oh six earthquake, and to this day, cracks from the tremor are.

Numerous visitors claim they felt a presence in the home, a friendly one that said some staffers and tourists flat out refused to go into certain rooms. That includes the so called Witch's Cap, which is in the South Turret. It's not easy to get there. Visitors have to go through a cluttered attic and a narrow hallway that's only five feet tall. Eventually they'll reach a wooden, circular room that's supposed to be a hotbed for supernatural incidents. The Daisy Bedroom is also highly active. That is the room where Sarah reportedly got trapped during the nineteen oh six earthquake, and to this day, cracks from the tremor are.

Visible in the walls.

Visible in the walls.

Cameras don't always work properly in the Daisy Bedroom. That's according to Kathy Alexander of Legends of America. She also wrote that when visitors do manage to snap a picture, they'll often end up with a strange looking photo of a blurry, white, unidentifiable entity. Shadow figures have also appeared in this room, as have cold spots elsewhere in the home. People can hear disembodied footsteps, whispers and voices, and distant piano music. Doors open and close on their own, and sometimes the home fills with the scent of a freshly cooked meal even though no one is using the kitchen. Many reports feature a mustached specter known as Clyde. He's said to be one of the construction workers who helped build Yanata Villa, and to this day, his spirit still hauls wheelbarrows of coal around or tries to fix the fireplace in the ballroom. Clyde wears white coveralls and sometimes has a Victorian era hat over his black hair. When he notices that tourists have spotted him, he usually gives a friendly nod before getting back to work, and a few eagle eyed guests have seen a very slim four foot ten inch woman dressed all in black. She's thought to be Sarah Winchester herself. The Winchester Mystery House website says that Sarah can be spotted wandering the halls, looking out windows, and occasionally visiting the gardens, all things that she likely.

Cameras don't always work properly in the Daisy Bedroom. That's according to Kathy Alexander of Legends of America. She also wrote that when visitors do manage to snap a picture, they'll often end up with a strange looking photo of a blurry, white, unidentifiable entity. Shadow figures have also appeared in this room, as have cold spots elsewhere in the home. People can hear disembodied footsteps, whispers and voices, and distant piano music. Doors open and close on their own, and sometimes the home fills with the scent of a freshly cooked meal even though no one is using the kitchen. Many reports feature a mustached specter known as Clyde. He's said to be one of the construction workers who helped build Yanata Villa, and to this day, his spirit still hauls wheelbarrows of coal around or tries to fix the fireplace in the ballroom. Clyde wears white coveralls and sometimes has a Victorian era hat over his black hair. When he notices that tourists have spotted him, he usually gives a friendly nod before getting back to work, and a few eagle eyed guests have seen a very slim four foot ten inch woman dressed all in black. She's thought to be Sarah Winchester herself. The Winchester Mystery House website says that Sarah can be spotted wandering the halls, looking out windows, and occasionally visiting the gardens, all things that she likely.

Did in life as well.

Did in life as well.

Apparently, it's not only the house that's haunted, but the objects within it. Over the years, different guests and tourists stole nick knacks and small items during their visits, and regularly these sticky fingered individuals would suffer from bad luck afterward, until eventually they'd mailed the stolen object back to Yanadavia.

Apparently, it's not only the house that's haunted, but the objects within it. Over the years, different guests and tourists stole nick knacks and small items during their visits, and regularly these sticky fingered individuals would suffer from bad luck afterward, until eventually they'd mailed the stolen object back to Yanadavia.

Hoping for relief.

Hoping for relief.

To talk about all this history and all these stories. Up next, we're going to be talking to my dear friend Aiden Sinclair, who worked at the Mystery House for years. He's got some really great stories to tell, and that is coming up after the break. So now I am joined by one of my very good friends, mister Aiden Sinclair.

To talk about all this history and all these stories. Up next, we're going to be talking to my dear friend Aiden Sinclair, who worked at the Mystery House for years. He's got some really great stories to tell, and that is coming up after the break. So now I am joined by one of my very good friends, mister Aiden Sinclair.

This is not his first time to the show. He is.

This is not his first time to the show. He is.

I guess you're a resident magician at the Stanley Hotel and you had an affiliation with the Winchester House for a long time, So what happened there?

I guess you're a resident magician at the Stanley Hotel and you had an affiliation with the Winchester House for a long time, So what happened there?

Yeah, we've been really lucky to get to kind of perform and investigate at probably the three most famous haunted places in the US, being the Stanley Hotel, the Queen Mary, and the Winchester Mystery House, which is really kind of cool, you know, it's like a nice thing to have in your portfolio. But we did shows for the Winchester Mystery House for about three years, and we actually did their first public paranormal investigation there as well, and that was pre COVID back and I think in twenty twenty we got to do that brought in twenty people who got to have the experience, and it's just an immensely fascinating place and really really cool and obviously amazing history.

Yeah, we've been really lucky to get to kind of perform and investigate at probably the three most famous haunted places in the US, being the Stanley Hotel, the Queen Mary, and the Winchester Mystery House, which is really kind of cool, you know, it's like a nice thing to have in your portfolio. But we did shows for the Winchester Mystery House for about three years, and we actually did their first public paranormal investigation there as well, and that was pre COVID back and I think in twenty twenty we got to do that brought in twenty people who got to have the experience, and it's just an immensely fascinating place and really really cool and obviously amazing history.

Yeah, so I've actually investigated there and it's been many, many years.

Yeah, so I've actually investigated there and it's been many, many years.

It's funny.

It's funny.

I think I investigated their pre TV and everything, and it was kind of when there was still kind of a novelty to a paranormal team asking to come into a location, and one of our team members actually worked there, and so we were able to go in and investigate a couple of times and it was super interesting. It's hard not to like be distracted by your surroundings the whole time because there's just so much to look at. And so now I do just want to say, I want to preface this before we get too far into this, because I did mention that you are a magician, a very skilled one at that, but you're also very much on the level when it comes to like paranormal activity. Like I trust you immensely. I don't think you're you know, conjuring spirits as they say, you know what I mean, You're very respectful of the paranormal and so I just wanted to put that out there Aidan is awesome and I love how much you incorporate just in your act in general spiritualism and seances and it's just really stunning stuff. So if you ever have the chance to see Aidan, please do. We'll talk more about it at the end, but anyway, so you get the chance to kind of run these public investigations at the house. Now before you even started doing that, like, what were some of the things that you either knew happened there or you experiences yourself in the location.

I think I investigated their pre TV and everything, and it was kind of when there was still kind of a novelty to a paranormal team asking to come into a location, and one of our team members actually worked there, and so we were able to go in and investigate a couple of times and it was super interesting. It's hard not to like be distracted by your surroundings the whole time because there's just so much to look at. And so now I do just want to say, I want to preface this before we get too far into this, because I did mention that you are a magician, a very skilled one at that, but you're also very much on the level when it comes to like paranormal activity. Like I trust you immensely. I don't think you're you know, conjuring spirits as they say, you know what I mean, You're very respectful of the paranormal and so I just wanted to put that out there Aidan is awesome and I love how much you incorporate just in your act in general spiritualism and seances and it's just really stunning stuff. So if you ever have the chance to see Aidan, please do. We'll talk more about it at the end, but anyway, so you get the chance to kind of run these public investigations at the house. Now before you even started doing that, like, what were some of the things that you either knew happened there or you experiences yourself in the location.

Well, we on our very first trip up there, there is this It's one of those things where you see shadows out of the corner of your eye, you know, where like you definitely feel somebody there, and then you turn in it's empty space and you get that feeling a lot of being watched, which is really uncanny. You know, it makes your hair stand up on your neck. And there's this amazing history of things just being moved, you know, not in a poltergeisty way, not in a bad way, and there's definitely this presence that's there. The first trip there, we just always had that feeling of where we went in the house like somebody was with you. And learning the history of Sarah. To me, it became really kind of it felt a lot like I don't think Sarah's there, but I think all the people who took care of Sarah are very much still there taking care of her, if that makes any sense. You know, her staff was really loyal to or they were very protective of her. I think when that's part of somebody's essence in life, that maybe that hangs around afterwards, you know, and that especially with all the traffic and kind of the exploitation of the place, I think that that makes them stay, you know, and makes them feel like they have to be protective and present.

Well, we on our very first trip up there, there is this It's one of those things where you see shadows out of the corner of your eye, you know, where like you definitely feel somebody there, and then you turn in it's empty space and you get that feeling a lot of being watched, which is really uncanny. You know, it makes your hair stand up on your neck. And there's this amazing history of things just being moved, you know, not in a poltergeisty way, not in a bad way, and there's definitely this presence that's there. The first trip there, we just always had that feeling of where we went in the house like somebody was with you. And learning the history of Sarah. To me, it became really kind of it felt a lot like I don't think Sarah's there, but I think all the people who took care of Sarah are very much still there taking care of her, if that makes any sense. You know, her staff was really loyal to or they were very protective of her. I think when that's part of somebody's essence in life, that maybe that hangs around afterwards, you know, and that especially with all the traffic and kind of the exploitation of the place, I think that that makes them stay, you know, and makes them feel like they have to be protective and present.

That's something to kind of talk about.

That's something to kind of talk about.

Do you think that, like the kind of the exploitation of her story in general, do you think that that adds to the activity. Do you think that's one of the reasons why things happen there?

Do you think that, like the kind of the exploitation of her story in general, do you think that that adds to the activity. Do you think that's one of the reasons why things happen there?

I think it does. I think it's fascinating that, you know, the paranormal teams that tend to be more shall we say aggressive, or you know, they kind of they could be kind of provocative when they go places, you know, and their their tonality is much darker. You know, that's always is there a demon here? You know that stuff. I think when that stuff goes into the house, I don't think the provocation generates in interactions, but I think there's a dislike for that, you know what I mean of that's not what we are and that's not what this is. And I think that stimulates some activity in a way that is not necessarily good, because I think some people will go and go, well, if you provoke the ghost, maybe you get a response, but that would be like somebody coming into your house and being rude, and of course you're going to respond in a rude way. So I don't know. I feel kind of the people there are. I think all the traffic there gives purpose to the entities there, if that makes any sense, Like they have a reason to stay there.

I think it does. I think it's fascinating that, you know, the paranormal teams that tend to be more shall we say aggressive, or you know, they kind of they could be kind of provocative when they go places, you know, and their their tonality is much darker. You know, that's always is there a demon here? You know that stuff. I think when that stuff goes into the house, I don't think the provocation generates in interactions, but I think there's a dislike for that, you know what I mean of that's not what we are and that's not what this is. And I think that stimulates some activity in a way that is not necessarily good, because I think some people will go and go, well, if you provoke the ghost, maybe you get a response, but that would be like somebody coming into your house and being rude, and of course you're going to respond in a rude way. So I don't know. I feel kind of the people there are. I think all the traffic there gives purpose to the entities there, if that makes any sense, Like they have a reason to stay there.

It sounds very personal, and you know, I think that a lot of hauntings are kind of personal like that, like they feel an obligation. Now when people are doing public investigations there, I'm sure when you guys ran those, you obviously asked for them to be very respectful and whatnot, Like what kind of things happened during these investigations Regularly.

It sounds very personal, and you know, I think that a lot of hauntings are kind of personal like that, like they feel an obligation. Now when people are doing public investigations there, I'm sure when you guys ran those, you obviously asked for them to be very respectful and whatnot, Like what kind of things happened during these investigations Regularly.

We had some really cool direct conversational K two interaction there and Estes sessions there were really powerful. The Estas method is something that I just love because it's just so clean in the sense that you know, you have somebody in headphones and they're blind and they can't hear anything and they can't see anything, and when you get intelligent responses, it's just fascinating, you know, to watch that experience take place. And Esta's sessions there were really kind of responsive so long as the questioning was respectful and courteous. We always use the present tense, and we never said Sarah. We'd always say, is miss Winchester? You know, you try to keep the formality of the time, and those seem to genuate generate really good conversational responses in Estes. Anytime we would ask if Miss Winchester was in the house, we would get very definitive no, she's away, And that's kind of a cool response to get, you know, from someone who can't hear that question. Very direct conversational responses of do you take care of her? Yes? Do you take care of the house? Yes? And I think it's fascinating that most of the apparitions that have been kind of seen or witnessed in the house tend to be workmen, you know, people that are building and working on the house, or people that are in period clothing that you know, are women dressed as servants, not as not as you know, modern day people. So that's kind of fascinating.

We had some really cool direct conversational K two interaction there and Estes sessions there were really powerful. The Estas method is something that I just love because it's just so clean in the sense that you know, you have somebody in headphones and they're blind and they can't hear anything and they can't see anything, and when you get intelligent responses, it's just fascinating, you know, to watch that experience take place. And Esta's sessions there were really kind of responsive so long as the questioning was respectful and courteous. We always use the present tense, and we never said Sarah. We'd always say, is miss Winchester? You know, you try to keep the formality of the time, and those seem to genuate generate really good conversational responses in Estes. Anytime we would ask if Miss Winchester was in the house, we would get very definitive no, she's away, And that's kind of a cool response to get, you know, from someone who can't hear that question. Very direct conversational responses of do you take care of her? Yes? Do you take care of the house? Yes? And I think it's fascinating that most of the apparitions that have been kind of seen or witnessed in the house tend to be workmen, you know, people that are building and working on the house, or people that are in period clothing that you know, are women dressed as servants, not as not as you know, modern day people. So that's kind of fascinating.

That was my experience there. So this was this was so many years ago, but we got there after hours and everything was closed and I'll never forget like I saw a woman kind of like walking across the grounds area and this was in the evening hours, like kind of you know, dusk, you know, not super dark yet, and I remember just going, oh my god, I thought everyone was gone. I didn't know there were still employees here. And someone said, no, everyone's gone, and I you know, that was one time where like you wouldn't even know if you were there during the day and you were touring and you saw someone like that, you would just assume they were part of the staff. And so it makes you wonder, like how many people just kind of traverse those halls and kind of go about their tours and see someone and go, oh, wow, that's a very clever cosplay happening, you know, but it's actually they've witnessed a full bodied apparition and.

That was my experience there. So this was this was so many years ago, but we got there after hours and everything was closed and I'll never forget like I saw a woman kind of like walking across the grounds area and this was in the evening hours, like kind of you know, dusk, you know, not super dark yet, and I remember just going, oh my god, I thought everyone was gone. I didn't know there were still employees here. And someone said, no, everyone's gone, and I you know, that was one time where like you wouldn't even know if you were there during the day and you were touring and you saw someone like that, you would just assume they were part of the staff. And so it makes you wonder, like how many people just kind of traverse those halls and kind of go about their tours and see someone and go, oh, wow, that's a very clever cosplay happening, you know, but it's actually they've witnessed a full bodied apparition and.

It happens a lot there with the staff, Like the staff see people all the time there and not they don't see you know, transparent ghosty things. They see people. And then they disappeared.

It happens a lot there with the staff, Like the staff see people all the time there and not they don't see you know, transparent ghosty things. They see people. And then they disappeared.

Yeah you know, yeah, no, this looked like a solid woman. Like I was just very much convinced that someone had stayed behind. But it also didn't make sense because they had been closed for hours, and so my brain was, like, they've been closed for hours, why would there still be someone scurrying around here in a costume? And so that's why I asked, or you know, maybe it was someone playing a practical joke on us or something, because it was kind of in the earlier days. But it's still stuck with me. I cannot, of course say for sure that was a ghost, but it was very very strange. But I do think that's interesting because they it's the difference there is that there were people working on that building consistently for so long that like it might not even be their full kind of you know, consciousness there, Like it could just be like they toiled and they worked and they felt so they felt this sense of like pride and obligation to the building. Like it's almost like that essence of them is still there.

Yeah you know, yeah, no, this looked like a solid woman. Like I was just very much convinced that someone had stayed behind. But it also didn't make sense because they had been closed for hours, and so my brain was, like, they've been closed for hours, why would there still be someone scurrying around here in a costume? And so that's why I asked, or you know, maybe it was someone playing a practical joke on us or something, because it was kind of in the earlier days. But it's still stuck with me. I cannot, of course say for sure that was a ghost, but it was very very strange. But I do think that's interesting because they it's the difference there is that there were people working on that building consistently for so long that like it might not even be their full kind of you know, consciousness there, Like it could just be like they toiled and they worked and they felt so they felt this sense of like pride and obligation to the building. Like it's almost like that essence of them is still there.

If that makes sense, I know it does.

If that makes sense, I know it does.

And there's there was staff that literally she you know, built houses for and lived on the property and were still alive after she passed, and within a year of her passing, you know, the house was open to the public. So those people were still there and started to see that traffic right away. You know, they were there to see who dedie come in and do a say, you know, And now all of that had to feel pretty disrespectful to somebody that you love and cherish and take care of. And now all of a sudden, you know, this house they created is a spectacle. I also think it's fascinating that a lot of people get so fixated on the house that a lot of people aren't aware that, like, she had another house and that house isn't weird, it's you know, there are some motifs that transfer over. The number thirteen was present in both houses, and spider webbing and glasses you know, and is there. But it's a normal house. There's not doors to know where the construction didn't continue. She also had a house boat that she spent a lot of time on, perfectly normal, you know, So it's this idea that she just stayed in this house and never left it, and you know, the spirits made her keep building. I think that's it's a great story. But I think if you take a step back and you look at her story, you know, people deal with grief in different ways, and for me was Sarah. I think the focus of building that house, like she would build a room and when it was done, undo it and do it again. You know. So I think if you could dedicate one hundred percent of your attention and time into a project, you're not thinking about the daughter and the husband that you lost, and you know that's the house. To me, really is this exercising grief of like how do I how do I not think about that? You know, let me let me just focus on something.

And there's there was staff that literally she you know, built houses for and lived on the property and were still alive after she passed, and within a year of her passing, you know, the house was open to the public. So those people were still there and started to see that traffic right away. You know, they were there to see who dedie come in and do a say, you know, And now all of that had to feel pretty disrespectful to somebody that you love and cherish and take care of. And now all of a sudden, you know, this house they created is a spectacle. I also think it's fascinating that a lot of people get so fixated on the house that a lot of people aren't aware that, like, she had another house and that house isn't weird, it's you know, there are some motifs that transfer over. The number thirteen was present in both houses, and spider webbing and glasses you know, and is there. But it's a normal house. There's not doors to know where the construction didn't continue. She also had a house boat that she spent a lot of time on, perfectly normal, you know, So it's this idea that she just stayed in this house and never left it, and you know, the spirits made her keep building. I think that's it's a great story. But I think if you take a step back and you look at her story, you know, people deal with grief in different ways, and for me was Sarah. I think the focus of building that house, like she would build a room and when it was done, undo it and do it again. You know. So I think if you could dedicate one hundred percent of your attention and time into a project, you're not thinking about the daughter and the husband that you lost, and you know that's the house. To me, really is this exercising grief of like how do I how do I not think about that? You know, let me let me just focus on something.

Which is honestly kind of a more fascinating aspect to it as far as like activity. You know, when you have someone pouring, like when a project becomes when a project becomes their coping mechanism, Like what happens at that point to that project? You know, did you find that when you investigated if you referred to it, you know as the original house name Yonadavilla, did it get more results? Because a lot of people don't even refer that name.

Which is honestly kind of a more fascinating aspect to it as far as like activity. You know, when you have someone pouring, like when a project becomes when a project becomes their coping mechanism, Like what happens at that point to that project? You know, did you find that when you investigated if you referred to it, you know as the original house name Yonadavilla, did it get more results? Because a lot of people don't even refer that name.

Ever, it did so long as we kept everything in period, it was great. Well was fascinating is that as soon as we had. Of course, when people are on a public investigation, they you know, they don't do this all the time. It might be the one time that they actually get to investigate, so they're they're not always as focused in the method, I guess. So you'll kind of teach people like, hey, try to keep things period specific, try to keep things in the present tense. But inevitably someone would be like, what do you think about all these cars and everything stops? Yeah, it just stops. You know. Anytime somebody brought up death in the house, activity stopped. You know, somebody would be like, oh, did you die here? That's it, We're done.

Ever, it did so long as we kept everything in period, it was great. Well was fascinating is that as soon as we had. Of course, when people are on a public investigation, they you know, they don't do this all the time. It might be the one time that they actually get to investigate, so they're they're not always as focused in the method, I guess. So you'll kind of teach people like, hey, try to keep things period specific, try to keep things in the present tense. But inevitably someone would be like, what do you think about all these cars and everything stops? Yeah, it just stops. You know. Anytime somebody brought up death in the house, activity stopped. You know, somebody would be like, oh, did you die here? That's it, We're done.

Yeah, And that happens a lot on a lot of hauntings. You're like, do you think that's really what they want to talk about? Yeah, you know, it's you know, it doesn't it's so easy to kind of fall back on that, but it's also like, once you really think about it, and sense says, maybe we need to kind of expand the conversation here, let's talk about the items in the house, I don't remember off the top of my head. Like it seems like there's a lot of artifacts there. A lot are most of them original to Sarah.

Yeah, And that happens a lot on a lot of hauntings. You're like, do you think that's really what they want to talk about? Yeah, you know, it's you know, it doesn't it's so easy to kind of fall back on that, but it's also like, once you really think about it, and sense says, maybe we need to kind of expand the conversation here, let's talk about the items in the house, I don't remember off the top of my head. Like it seems like there's a lot of artifacts there. A lot are most of them original to Sarah.

It's a mix. When she passed a lot of the property was stripped from the house and sold off, and then some other people came in and tried to recover it. One of the things that is on site is the bed that she passed away in is still there right. A lot of obviously, all the furnishings, the doors and fixtures, the stairs, all of that is all original. But the interior property when you go there now, most of the furniture that you see in the house is period stuff that's been replaced. The things that are original are mostly you know, stained glass. One of the things that's really special to me is the Winchester House gave us a gift of some original pieces of the house.

It's a mix. When she passed a lot of the property was stripped from the house and sold off, and then some other people came in and tried to recover it. One of the things that is on site is the bed that she passed away in is still there right. A lot of obviously, all the furnishings, the doors and fixtures, the stairs, all of that is all original. But the interior property when you go there now, most of the furniture that you see in the house is period stuff that's been replaced. The things that are original are mostly you know, stained glass. One of the things that's really special to me is the Winchester House gave us a gift of some original pieces of the house.

Wow.

Wow.

So hanging in the underground that the stanley is a piece of the wall. It's a linn crusta wallpaper, one of the original nails of the house. That's really cool, and another piece of cornice tile work. So we have that on display at the Stanley and it's just kind of cool to have that history there.

So hanging in the underground that the stanley is a piece of the wall. It's a linn crusta wallpaper, one of the original nails of the house. That's really cool, and another piece of cornice tile work. So we have that on display at the Stanley and it's just kind of cool to have that history there.

Yeah, what a special thing to have. I'm jealous.

Yeah, what a special thing to have. I'm jealous.

It's really neat. There's a funny story to it. They made thirteen of these displays when they filmed the Winchester movie, and they made them for the cast and the directors of the film, and of the thirteen that were given out, eleven of them were returned.

It's really neat. There's a funny story to it. They made thirteen of these displays when they filmed the Winchester movie, and they made them for the cast and the directors of the film, and of the thirteen that were given out, eleven of them were returned.

Oh. They thought they were like haunted.

Oh. They thought they were like haunted.

They said they had range activity and just didn't want it around.

They said they had range activity and just didn't want it around.

Wow, And You're like, yes please.

Wow, And You're like, yes please.

Yeah. Well they were like, hey, you know, nobody seems to want this, do you want it? I was like, hell yeah, And we've never had We've never had any issues, Like, we've never had anything weird happened around the things. But I also think we treat them with a great deal of respect, and you know, I think that matters.

Yeah. Well they were like, hey, you know, nobody seems to want this, do you want it? I was like, hell yeah, And we've never had We've never had any issues, Like, we've never had anything weird happened around the things. But I also think we treat them with a great deal of respect, and you know, I think that matters.

You know, probably feels very at home in that space. I mean that space that you've created in the underground. It's probably the perfect place for it, honestly.

You know, probably feels very at home in that space. I mean that space that you've created in the underground. It's probably the perfect place for it, honestly.

Yeah. It's just it's neat too for when people visit the Stanley to have these connections to other places. So we have that and we have a little Teddy Bear from the Queen Mary, so people get to kind of vicariously visit other haunted locations when they come to see us. So that's kind of fun of that.

Yeah. It's just it's neat too for when people visit the Stanley to have these connections to other places. So we have that and we have a little Teddy Bear from the Queen Mary, so people get to kind of vicariously visit other haunted locations when they come to see us. So that's kind of fun of that.

Speaking of kind of artifacts is there, and did you feel like there was ever any other than those, any artifacts in the house that had activity around them.

Speaking of kind of artifacts is there, and did you feel like there was ever any other than those, any artifacts in the house that had activity around them.

Not really, It's more to me, it seemed more localized. There's definitely a gentleman that's seen as a full body apparition who is constantly in the basement. He's seen all the time, always described in the same way. And what's fascinating is it's usually not the staff that see him, it's the tours that go through and they're like, oh, I saw this guy down the hallway. I thought we couldn't go down there, and then they described the guy to a tour guide and they give an accurate description of someone you know that is actually in a photograph on property. So that's kind of cool, you know that you it tends to be more about location than thing, if that makes sense.

Not really, It's more to me, it seemed more localized. There's definitely a gentleman that's seen as a full body apparition who is constantly in the basement. He's seen all the time, always described in the same way. And what's fascinating is it's usually not the staff that see him, it's the tours that go through and they're like, oh, I saw this guy down the hallway. I thought we couldn't go down there, and then they described the guy to a tour guide and they give an accurate description of someone you know that is actually in a photograph on property. So that's kind of cool, you know that you it tends to be more about location than thing, if that makes sense.

I was going to ask that, like, are there any rooms that you feel like have more of a vibe to them or more activity?

I was going to ask that, like, are there any rooms that you feel like have more of a vibe to them or more activity?

Yeah, the basement definitely, and then upstairs there is a room called the Widow's cap and that's actually where Houdini did a seance right after Sarah had passed, about a year after, so that's kind of got a cool vibe to it, and it seems to have some activity up there that there is this question of there have been many mediums who have gone and done seances in that space, so there's always this question of is is what's there part of the house or have people invited things in too much there?

Yeah, the basement definitely, and then upstairs there is a room called the Widow's cap and that's actually where Houdini did a seance right after Sarah had passed, about a year after, so that's kind of got a cool vibe to it, and it seems to have some activity up there that there is this question of there have been many mediums who have gone and done seances in that space, so there's always this question of is is what's there part of the house or have people invited things in too much there?

Yeah, I was actually wondering if that was an aspect of the haunting there, like if just having I think people think about the hauntings there so often, and you know, some of these locations that are so notorious for being haunted almost become beacons, you know. Do you think that's kind of, you know, something that could be influencing activity there.

Yeah, I was actually wondering if that was an aspect of the haunting there, like if just having I think people think about the hauntings there so often, and you know, some of these locations that are so notorious for being haunted almost become beacons, you know. Do you think that's kind of, you know, something that could be influencing activity there.

I think so, And I think a long time ago, John Tenny, I think, was talking about how you know, if ghosts are intelligent and they are people, and you know that people go to certain locations to go to talk to the dead, then maybe you go there. You know that that's right. If I want to talk to somebody and I'm not here then and I know that people are going to these places, then maybe that's a good place to be heard. So I think that's a I think there's a valid theory there. You know.

I think so, And I think a long time ago, John Tenny, I think, was talking about how you know, if ghosts are intelligent and they are people, and you know that people go to certain locations to go to talk to the dead, then maybe you go there. You know that that's right. If I want to talk to somebody and I'm not here then and I know that people are going to these places, then maybe that's a good place to be heard. So I think that's a I think there's a valid theory there. You know.

Yeah, I've noticed that. I don't know if it's ever the case. It doesn't sound like it at the Winchester House, but like I've noticed that. You know, sometimes during investigations, you'll be speaking with someone who seems like they might be from, you know, another time period, and then suddenly you've got some modern ghosts busting in and you're like, where did you come from?

Yeah, I've noticed that. I don't know if it's ever the case. It doesn't sound like it at the Winchester House, but like I've noticed that. You know, sometimes during investigations, you'll be speaking with someone who seems like they might be from, you know, another time period, and then suddenly you've got some modern ghosts busting in and you're like, where did you come from?

You know?

You know?

Yeah, And I think it's also like any place that you know, anybody that becomes attached to it in life. You know that there are people who love that house. That's just their favorite place in the world. People get married there, people have been engaged there that I mean, it's a that I think also makes them places like that they become touchdows, you know of you know, when you when you pass on, maybe that's a thing that you can go stay in your favorite memory. There's a lot of those memories there.

Yeah, And I think it's also like any place that you know, anybody that becomes attached to it in life. You know that there are people who love that house. That's just their favorite place in the world. People get married there, people have been engaged there that I mean, it's a that I think also makes them places like that they become touchdows, you know of you know, when you when you pass on, maybe that's a thing that you can go stay in your favorite memory. There's a lot of those memories there.

I love that. It's a It is a beautiful place.

I love that. It's a It is a beautiful place.

I grew up, you know, in the Bay area nearby, and so I got to visit a few times and it was just a treat to be able to investigate it, and I'm sure it was a real treat for you to just be in there regularly. I'm very but you're doing so much like let us like what is aid and up to these days.

I grew up, you know, in the Bay area nearby, and so I got to visit a few times and it was just a treat to be able to investigate it, and I'm sure it was a real treat for you to just be in there regularly. I'm very but you're doing so much like let us like what is aid and up to these days.

Well, presently we have the Underground at the Stanley Hotel. It is a underground kind of speakeasy theater at the Stanley and we present shows there all year round during the winter where they're Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and from May through Halloween we're they are seven days a week and we present theatrical Magic, which is their magic shows that have a narrative and a story to them, and they tend to dabble in the supernatural a little bit. The current show running is called Fate and Futility and it's really about the concept of fate and free will, and you know, it delves into the tarot and a lot of kind of mysticism in its presentation, so it's really kind of a fun atmosphere to play. And we also do a theatrical Sounce at the Stanley as well, and presently my better half Beca is doing all the paranormal investigating on the Queen Mary. She has a project called the Great Ghost Project and they do public paranormal investigations Friday through Sunday on the ship.

Well, presently we have the Underground at the Stanley Hotel. It is a underground kind of speakeasy theater at the Stanley and we present shows there all year round during the winter where they're Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and from May through Halloween we're they are seven days a week and we present theatrical Magic, which is their magic shows that have a narrative and a story to them, and they tend to dabble in the supernatural a little bit. The current show running is called Fate and Futility and it's really about the concept of fate and free will, and you know, it delves into the tarot and a lot of kind of mysticism in its presentation, so it's really kind of a fun atmosphere to play. And we also do a theatrical Sounce at the Stanley as well, and presently my better half Beca is doing all the paranormal investigating on the Queen Mary. She has a project called the Great Ghost Project and they do public paranormal investigations Friday through Sunday on the ship.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah, that's awesome.

I'm looking We're Strange Escapes is heading there in January, which is not on the website yet.

I'm looking We're Strange Escapes is heading there in January, which is not on the website yet.

I know everybody's very excited though.

I know everybody's very excited though.

And I'm really looking forward to working with her on that. And I'm going back to the Stanley in October. They hired me back this year, so i will see you again in October, which I'm super stoked about.

And I'm really looking forward to working with her on that. And I'm going back to the Stanley in October. They hired me back this year, so i will see you again in October, which I'm super stoked about.

Can't wait. We'll have more Mexican food.

Can't wait. We'll have more Mexican food.

That was awesome. I really know.

That was awesome. I really know.

It's always nice to, you know, have margaritas before you're supposed to go on stage.

It's always nice to, you know, have margaritas before you're supposed to go on stage.

Right.

Right.

Well, I super appreciate you taking the time. I know you're getting over having the flu and I'm glad you're on the mend and everyone I encourage you if you have the chance to support whatever Aiden is doing. Like I said, he's one of my dearest friends. I love him a lot, and you will not be disappointed. And thank you again, sir anytime.

Well, I super appreciate you taking the time. I know you're getting over having the flu and I'm glad you're on the mend and everyone I encourage you if you have the chance to support whatever Aiden is doing. Like I said, he's one of my dearest friends. I love him a lot, and you will not be disappointed. And thank you again, sir anytime.

Thank you so much for having me until we meet again.

Thank you so much for having me until we meet again.

Throughout her life, Sarah Winchester was a very private person. She didn't openly talk about why she designed her house in the way that she did, or about much of anything else. That led to unfounded gossip, which was so widespread that it's almost impossible to get a sense of who she really was. That said, perhaps today the truly curious can visit the Winchester Mystery House and ask her for themselves. I am Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm and Miles from Aaron Minkey. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney, with additional research by Cassandra de Alba.

Throughout her life, Sarah Winchester was a very private person. She didn't openly talk about why she designed her house in the way that she did, or about much of anything else. That led to unfounded gossip, which was so widespread that it's almost impossible to get a sense of who she really was. That said, perhaps today the truly curious can visit the Winchester Mystery House and ask her for themselves. I am Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm and Miles from Aaron Minkey. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney, with additional research by Cassandra de Alba.

This show is edited.

This show is edited.

And produced by supervising producer Rima el Kali, with executive producers.

And produced by supervising producer Rima el Kali, with executive producers.

Aaron Mank, Trevor Young, and Matt Frederick.

Aaron Mank, Trevor Young, and Matt Frederick.

Learn more about this show over at Grimandmild dot com, and for more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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