Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Manky.

Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Manky.

Listener Discretion is advised.

Listener Discretion is advised.

August seventeenth, eighteen eighty five, The Leroy Times draws a sad picture of the Genesee County Almshouse. It says, sixty two paupers are huddled together on the third floor, which is only high enough directly in the center for a man to stand erect.

August seventeenth, eighteen eighty five, The Leroy Times draws a sad picture of the Genesee County Almshouse. It says, sixty two paupers are huddled together on the third floor, which is only high enough directly in the center for a man to stand erect.

There is little.

There is little.

Ventilation, and the air is foul and sickening, reminding one of the Black Hole of Calcutta. April fifteenth, eighteen ninety nine, Albert Henson, the tramp whose pitiable condition was told in yesterday's Times, is now at the Genesee County Almshouse. His socks were removed for the first time since his feet were frozen. Large portions of both feet came off today. Remaining portions will be amputated. December fourth, eighteen ninety six, James Driscoll, an inmate of the Genesee County Almshouse at Bethany, cut his throat with a pocket knife and died in a few hours. He was ninety seven years old and was despondent because of failing eyesight. March thirty first, nineteen fifteen, dead man's hand clutched fast to whiskey bottle. John Oshman fell into a ditch and froze to death on his way to the Genesee County Almshouse. It was evident from the condition of the man's body that he had frozen to death during the night. In one of his hands, he had a quart bottle about half filled with whiskey. Oashman left the county home Monday afternoon without permission. It took me all of thirty minutes of research to find these articles referencing the dark history at this location, a location now known as Rolling Hill's Asylum, a place I have yet to visit, so let's discover it and all of its hauntings together. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. In East Bethany, New York, an ominous two and a half story building looms over Bethany Center Road. It's a wide shaped structure, meaning its entrance is set further back from the street than its two wings. This gives it an appearance like it's reaching forward to grab passers by and pull them into its depths. The building is made of red brick, and it's in a state of disrepair. Many of the windows that form a grid across its front side are broken. The inside isn't much better. The long sterile halls are underlit, the walls are bare other than their peeling paint. Abandoned objects sits scattered around, everything from old dolls, crates, and boxes to embalming tables, sinks, and two large refrigerators in the morgue. Not too far off, the kitchen has its own pair of equally large meat freezers. This feels like exactly the sort of place you might picture when you hear the words haunted building, and sure enough, an eerie sign stands just outside the facility. It reads, this asylum is a nationally known center of supernatural activity. Spirits believed to still roam grounds, crossing between this world and next. This place is called the Rolling Hills Asylum, and it was built in eighteen twenty six to provide housing for the poor. At that time, the community of East Bethan in New York was growing rapidly and new residents came pouring in looking for work. Sadly, there wasn't much affordable housing for these people, nor could they access many financial safety nets. At that time, it was common for government officials to run poor houses for low or no income people, and when the Rolling Hills Asylum opened its door in December twenty first, eighteen twenty seven, that's exactly what it was meant to be.

Ventilation, and the air is foul and sickening, reminding one of the Black Hole of Calcutta. April fifteenth, eighteen ninety nine, Albert Henson, the tramp whose pitiable condition was told in yesterday's Times, is now at the Genesee County Almshouse. His socks were removed for the first time since his feet were frozen. Large portions of both feet came off today. Remaining portions will be amputated. December fourth, eighteen ninety six, James Driscoll, an inmate of the Genesee County Almshouse at Bethany, cut his throat with a pocket knife and died in a few hours. He was ninety seven years old and was despondent because of failing eyesight. March thirty first, nineteen fifteen, dead man's hand clutched fast to whiskey bottle. John Oshman fell into a ditch and froze to death on his way to the Genesee County Almshouse. It was evident from the condition of the man's body that he had frozen to death during the night. In one of his hands, he had a quart bottle about half filled with whiskey. Oashman left the county home Monday afternoon without permission. It took me all of thirty minutes of research to find these articles referencing the dark history at this location, a location now known as Rolling Hill's Asylum, a place I have yet to visit, so let's discover it and all of its hauntings together. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. In East Bethany, New York, an ominous two and a half story building looms over Bethany Center Road. It's a wide shaped structure, meaning its entrance is set further back from the street than its two wings. This gives it an appearance like it's reaching forward to grab passers by and pull them into its depths. The building is made of red brick, and it's in a state of disrepair. Many of the windows that form a grid across its front side are broken. The inside isn't much better. The long sterile halls are underlit, the walls are bare other than their peeling paint. Abandoned objects sits scattered around, everything from old dolls, crates, and boxes to embalming tables, sinks, and two large refrigerators in the morgue. Not too far off, the kitchen has its own pair of equally large meat freezers. This feels like exactly the sort of place you might picture when you hear the words haunted building, and sure enough, an eerie sign stands just outside the facility. It reads, this asylum is a nationally known center of supernatural activity. Spirits believed to still roam grounds, crossing between this world and next. This place is called the Rolling Hills Asylum, and it was built in eighteen twenty six to provide housing for the poor. At that time, the community of East Bethan in New York was growing rapidly and new residents came pouring in looking for work. Sadly, there wasn't much affordable housing for these people, nor could they access many financial safety nets. At that time, it was common for government officials to run poor houses for low or no income people, and when the Rolling Hills Asylum opened its door in December twenty first, eighteen twenty seven, that's exactly what it was meant to be.

A poorhouse.

A poorhouse.

It was also known as either the Genesee County Poorhouse or the Genesee County Almshouse. It stood in the center of town, and it was supposed to represent a second chance for poor and unemployed people, as well as those with substance abuse disorders, mental health conditions, and physical disabilities. Residents, all of whom were dubbed inmates, moved there not only for a safe place to live, but to find work. The poorhouse was also a farm, with inmates raising livestock, harvesting crops, or preparing food in the on site cannery and bakery. The facility also offered schooling to the resident's children. Sadly we see this so often. The government officials who ran the facility had the best of intentions, but due to high demand and overcrowding, the poorhouse soon became hellish for the inmates. People were packed tightly together and the staff was stretched thin. It's also possible that the inmates were brutally punished whenever they broke the rules. It's hard to say for sure, but there are metal loops mounted on the walls in the basement. They're the right size and shape for manacles. That said, there's no record of anyone literally being chained up in the basement. We can only speculate about their real purpose, even if nobody was ever locked up. A local newspaper article from eighteen eighty five highlighted how the overcrowding was a public health risk. The story described how eighteen residents shared a single poorly ventilated room, so when one inmate fell sick, it was only a matter of time before the illness had circulated to all the rest. A year later, in eighteen eighty six, a mental health related state agency determined that the facility was not meeting their standards. To address their concerns, the board of directors passed a new policy, saying that moving forward, they'd only house low income residents and those who were unemployed due to substance abuse. The inmates who needed mental health treatment were transferred to other facilities that were better equipped to help them in the short term. This proved to be a change for the better. After the new policy went into effect, the facilities were clean and well maintained. I'll also note that the Residents changed its name around this time, and went through a number of additional name changes afterward, but for simplicity, I'll be referring to it as the Rolling Hills Asylum for the rest of this episode. Unfortunately, only a few decades later, Rolling Hills was once again dangerously overcrowded. In nineteen thirty six, a deadly typhoid outbreak spread among the inmates, killing nine. It was almost impossible for the staff to quarantine the sick residence because almost every square inch of space was already in use. But even after the deadly disease swept through the facility, numerous inmates chose to remain at the Rolling Hills Asylum. For many of them, it was the only home they'd ever known. Take the story of Roy Kraus. Reportedly, he stood it over seven feet tall. It said this was because he had a form of gigantism, but I have not been able to verify that claim. I also haven't been able to corroborate the rumors that Roy's family considered his large size to be an embarrassment, whatever the reason. When he was just twelve years old in nineteen oh two, he came to live at the asylum, and he remained there for the rest of his life until his death at age fifty two. Roy loved reading books and listening to classical music and opera. Inmates and employees alike found him to be kind and gentle, and they soon got used to seeing his bulky frame hunched over the books in the asylum's library, voraciously reading. All to say. For all the asylum's flaws, it was a safe space for many. In the fifties and sixties, it expanded with new wings and new housing units, all in an attempt to keep up with demand. As time went on, it also changed its focus. Instead of functioning as a poorhouse for low income residents, it became a retirement community for elderly people. But the expansions and new additions weren't enough to bring the old, crumbling building up to code. The board poured money into renovations and reconstructions, but a review suggested that it would cost another million dollars just to make necessary updates to keep the facility running. Adjusted for inflation, that would be the equivalent of eight million dollars today. Rather than spend the money, In nineteen seventy four, it closed its doors for good, or at least that was the last time it functioned as a housing facility. In the nineties and two thousands, the building reopened, now as a craft shop and antique mall. Interestingly enough, many of the abandoned objects that visitors can find in Rolling Hills today, the toys, the dolls, and the boxes, date to its time as a shopping plaza, rather than its time as a house facility. It operated until the mid two thousands, and around that time it went through another rebranding. From then until this day, Rolling Hills Asylum has marketed itself as a haunted tour destination. It's been featured on Destination Fear, Ghost Adventures, BuzzFeed Unsolved, and Ghost Hunters. This comes as no surprise. The asylum is a hot spot for spectral activity, so much so that in twenty twenty three, HGTV named it the creepiest place in the whole state of New York. Roy's massive spirit is said to roam the asylum's halls. Witnesses have often spotted his unusually large handprints on doors, windows and tables, and a few visitors have captured a hulking seven foot tall figure on camera. He sometimes speaks to spiritual investigators via EVPs. Just as Roy was known to be kind and gentle in life, he's also a sweet spirit in death. The current owner of Rolling Hills, Sharon Coyle, has even claimed that Roy helps her keep the facility clean and safe. Apparently, one day, Sharon was working in the infirmary when a rat scared her badly enough that she screamed and ran away. When she returned the next day, the rat was dead and a large handprint had been left in its blood. Macab as the scene was Sharon apparently saw this as a sign that Roy wanted her to feel comfortable and safe in the asylum. This was his way of handling pest control. Presumably, another spirit named Hattie seems to dwell in her former bedroom on the first floor in the East wing. The ghost is said to be a poor, blind woman who died in the facility in nineteen seventy after living there as a low income resident, but this is impossible because the Rolling Hills Asylum wasn't functioning as a poorhouse in nineteen seventy that said it was a care home for the elderly at that time, and a resident named Hattie Sperry passed away on site that she was eighty seven years old. Whatever her history may be, Hattie seems to be friendly. Anyone who walks past her room will be greeted with a cheerful hello, even if the space appears to be totally empty. A man named George Fleming reportedly haunts a room in the same wing, but on the third floor. Dale Kasmarak of the Ghost Research Society wrote that George once worked at Rolling Hills as a superintendent. He and his wife lived there until his death at age seventy five in nineteen forty one. Before he passed, George reportedly suffered a series of strokes that left him unable to speak. That's likely why these days his ghost doesn't talk. It growls at the people who pass. Unsettling as the sound may seem, most believe George isn't trying to scare visitors. He only means to greet them. Other specters are just as frightening, but they do appear to have more malicious intentions. One such spirit is known as either Nurse Emma or no Nurse Emmy. Supposedly she used to work at the asylum, performing black magic by night and torturing patients by day, but there's no record of any former employee going.

It was also known as either the Genesee County Poorhouse or the Genesee County Almshouse. It stood in the center of town, and it was supposed to represent a second chance for poor and unemployed people, as well as those with substance abuse disorders, mental health conditions, and physical disabilities. Residents, all of whom were dubbed inmates, moved there not only for a safe place to live, but to find work. The poorhouse was also a farm, with inmates raising livestock, harvesting crops, or preparing food in the on site cannery and bakery. The facility also offered schooling to the resident's children. Sadly we see this so often. The government officials who ran the facility had the best of intentions, but due to high demand and overcrowding, the poorhouse soon became hellish for the inmates. People were packed tightly together and the staff was stretched thin. It's also possible that the inmates were brutally punished whenever they broke the rules. It's hard to say for sure, but there are metal loops mounted on the walls in the basement. They're the right size and shape for manacles. That said, there's no record of anyone literally being chained up in the basement. We can only speculate about their real purpose, even if nobody was ever locked up. A local newspaper article from eighteen eighty five highlighted how the overcrowding was a public health risk. The story described how eighteen residents shared a single poorly ventilated room, so when one inmate fell sick, it was only a matter of time before the illness had circulated to all the rest. A year later, in eighteen eighty six, a mental health related state agency determined that the facility was not meeting their standards. To address their concerns, the board of directors passed a new policy, saying that moving forward, they'd only house low income residents and those who were unemployed due to substance abuse. The inmates who needed mental health treatment were transferred to other facilities that were better equipped to help them in the short term. This proved to be a change for the better. After the new policy went into effect, the facilities were clean and well maintained. I'll also note that the Residents changed its name around this time, and went through a number of additional name changes afterward, but for simplicity, I'll be referring to it as the Rolling Hills Asylum for the rest of this episode. Unfortunately, only a few decades later, Rolling Hills was once again dangerously overcrowded. In nineteen thirty six, a deadly typhoid outbreak spread among the inmates, killing nine. It was almost impossible for the staff to quarantine the sick residence because almost every square inch of space was already in use. But even after the deadly disease swept through the facility, numerous inmates chose to remain at the Rolling Hills Asylum. For many of them, it was the only home they'd ever known. Take the story of Roy Kraus. Reportedly, he stood it over seven feet tall. It said this was because he had a form of gigantism, but I have not been able to verify that claim. I also haven't been able to corroborate the rumors that Roy's family considered his large size to be an embarrassment, whatever the reason. When he was just twelve years old in nineteen oh two, he came to live at the asylum, and he remained there for the rest of his life until his death at age fifty two. Roy loved reading books and listening to classical music and opera. Inmates and employees alike found him to be kind and gentle, and they soon got used to seeing his bulky frame hunched over the books in the asylum's library, voraciously reading. All to say. For all the asylum's flaws, it was a safe space for many. In the fifties and sixties, it expanded with new wings and new housing units, all in an attempt to keep up with demand. As time went on, it also changed its focus. Instead of functioning as a poorhouse for low income residents, it became a retirement community for elderly people. But the expansions and new additions weren't enough to bring the old, crumbling building up to code. The board poured money into renovations and reconstructions, but a review suggested that it would cost another million dollars just to make necessary updates to keep the facility running. Adjusted for inflation, that would be the equivalent of eight million dollars today. Rather than spend the money, In nineteen seventy four, it closed its doors for good, or at least that was the last time it functioned as a housing facility. In the nineties and two thousands, the building reopened, now as a craft shop and antique mall. Interestingly enough, many of the abandoned objects that visitors can find in Rolling Hills today, the toys, the dolls, and the boxes, date to its time as a shopping plaza, rather than its time as a house facility. It operated until the mid two thousands, and around that time it went through another rebranding. From then until this day, Rolling Hills Asylum has marketed itself as a haunted tour destination. It's been featured on Destination Fear, Ghost Adventures, BuzzFeed Unsolved, and Ghost Hunters. This comes as no surprise. The asylum is a hot spot for spectral activity, so much so that in twenty twenty three, HGTV named it the creepiest place in the whole state of New York. Roy's massive spirit is said to roam the asylum's halls. Witnesses have often spotted his unusually large handprints on doors, windows and tables, and a few visitors have captured a hulking seven foot tall figure on camera. He sometimes speaks to spiritual investigators via EVPs. Just as Roy was known to be kind and gentle in life, he's also a sweet spirit in death. The current owner of Rolling Hills, Sharon Coyle, has even claimed that Roy helps her keep the facility clean and safe. Apparently, one day, Sharon was working in the infirmary when a rat scared her badly enough that she screamed and ran away. When she returned the next day, the rat was dead and a large handprint had been left in its blood. Macab as the scene was Sharon apparently saw this as a sign that Roy wanted her to feel comfortable and safe in the asylum. This was his way of handling pest control. Presumably, another spirit named Hattie seems to dwell in her former bedroom on the first floor in the East wing. The ghost is said to be a poor, blind woman who died in the facility in nineteen seventy after living there as a low income resident, but this is impossible because the Rolling Hills Asylum wasn't functioning as a poorhouse in nineteen seventy that said it was a care home for the elderly at that time, and a resident named Hattie Sperry passed away on site that she was eighty seven years old. Whatever her history may be, Hattie seems to be friendly. Anyone who walks past her room will be greeted with a cheerful hello, even if the space appears to be totally empty. A man named George Fleming reportedly haunts a room in the same wing, but on the third floor. Dale Kasmarak of the Ghost Research Society wrote that George once worked at Rolling Hills as a superintendent. He and his wife lived there until his death at age seventy five in nineteen forty one. Before he passed, George reportedly suffered a series of strokes that left him unable to speak. That's likely why these days his ghost doesn't talk. It growls at the people who pass. Unsettling as the sound may seem, most believe George isn't trying to scare visitors. He only means to greet them. Other specters are just as frightening, but they do appear to have more malicious intentions. One such spirit is known as either Nurse Emma or no Nurse Emmy. Supposedly she used to work at the asylum, performing black magic by night and torturing patients by day, but there's no record of any former employee going.

By that name.

By that name.

Wherever she came from, Nurse Emmy might still dabble in the dark arts. According to an article in The Democrat and Chronicle, on at least one occasion, Emmy's old coven broke into Rolling Hills. They presumably wanted to perform more spells with her. The next morning, the facilities owner came inside to find pentagrams drawn on the floor. Apparently the spellcasters also left candlewax and piles of rocks behind.

Wherever she came from, Nurse Emmy might still dabble in the dark arts. According to an article in The Democrat and Chronicle, on at least one occasion, Emmy's old coven broke into Rolling Hills. They presumably wanted to perform more spells with her. The next morning, the facilities owner came inside to find pentagrams drawn on the floor. Apparently the spellcasters also left candlewax and piles of rocks behind.

I don't know about that.

I don't know about that.

The ghost known as Nurse Emmy is also known to make eerie noises and to slam doors. She can be aggressive, physically attacking or groping male visitors. These encounters frequently happen in a room on the top floor. It's believed to be her former room. Bad as Nurse Emmy might sound, the spirit known as Race may be worse. Rumor goes that in life he was a sexual predator who lived at Rolling Hills and targeted little girls in death, he's still aggressive and sexually inappropriate with female visitors. The book Haunted Hospitals Eerie Tales about hospitals, sanatoriums, and other institutions by Mark Leslie and Ronda Parrish described one person's encounter with Raymond. Apparently, she stepped into a hallway only for an unseen attacker to fling a block of wood right at her head. Raymond is said to be especially active in the basement, which is also purportedly where he abused his victims when he was alive. People who venture down the stairs often feel a malicious presence there. The negative energy is sometimes so strong that sensitive guests can become physically ill. Other basement visitors report that some invisible force is hitting or shoving them. There are also hot spots in one of the bathrooms, in the second floor of the East winds, in the chapel, and in the men's dormitory. The latter is where visitors can see the so called shadow Hallway. In this corridor, countless shadow figures appear, looking like solid individuals or cloudy hazes. They move around in a frenzy, going through doors, crawling across the floor, and peeking at guests around corners, but if they notice that anyone is watching them, they'll move toward that person. Some people find this so overwhelming that they break into tears. That said, few of the asylum's rooms are quite as unnerving as the morgue. See. Rumor goes that at one point, a wave of tuberculosis swept through the facility. So many patients died that the morgue ran out of places to store the bodies, so the staffers borrowed a pair of meat freezers from the kitchen, which was nearby, and stashed the remains in them. That said, there's no record of any mass tuberculos's outbreak Rolling Hills. There was a typhoid outbreak, as I mentioned earlier, but it predated the construction of both the morgue and the kitchen with the large freezers, so it's safe to say that this stories of bodies in the freezer is most likely an urban legend. But even still, the morgue is very active in terms of spiritual activity. Items often move around on their own, as though an invisible person is throwing them across the room. As a whole, the Rolling Hills Asylum is also filled with disembodied screams and unidentifiable noises. Furnitures and doors move on their own, and guests capture inexplicable figures when they take pictures of seemingly empty rooms. I wanted to hear more about these restless spirits, and as I said before, I've never visited Rolling Hills, so I figured the best person to speak with would be share and Coyle, the current owner, and that is coming up after the break. So I am now joined by the lovely Sharon Coyle, and we were chatting a bit before recording. We go way back, Like I remember you from California, Like right, am, I right.

The ghost known as Nurse Emmy is also known to make eerie noises and to slam doors. She can be aggressive, physically attacking or groping male visitors. These encounters frequently happen in a room on the top floor. It's believed to be her former room. Bad as Nurse Emmy might sound, the spirit known as Race may be worse. Rumor goes that in life he was a sexual predator who lived at Rolling Hills and targeted little girls in death, he's still aggressive and sexually inappropriate with female visitors. The book Haunted Hospitals Eerie Tales about hospitals, sanatoriums, and other institutions by Mark Leslie and Ronda Parrish described one person's encounter with Raymond. Apparently, she stepped into a hallway only for an unseen attacker to fling a block of wood right at her head. Raymond is said to be especially active in the basement, which is also purportedly where he abused his victims when he was alive. People who venture down the stairs often feel a malicious presence there. The negative energy is sometimes so strong that sensitive guests can become physically ill. Other basement visitors report that some invisible force is hitting or shoving them. There are also hot spots in one of the bathrooms, in the second floor of the East winds, in the chapel, and in the men's dormitory. The latter is where visitors can see the so called shadow Hallway. In this corridor, countless shadow figures appear, looking like solid individuals or cloudy hazes. They move around in a frenzy, going through doors, crawling across the floor, and peeking at guests around corners, but if they notice that anyone is watching them, they'll move toward that person. Some people find this so overwhelming that they break into tears. That said, few of the asylum's rooms are quite as unnerving as the morgue. See. Rumor goes that at one point, a wave of tuberculosis swept through the facility. So many patients died that the morgue ran out of places to store the bodies, so the staffers borrowed a pair of meat freezers from the kitchen, which was nearby, and stashed the remains in them. That said, there's no record of any mass tuberculos's outbreak Rolling Hills. There was a typhoid outbreak, as I mentioned earlier, but it predated the construction of both the morgue and the kitchen with the large freezers, so it's safe to say that this stories of bodies in the freezer is most likely an urban legend. But even still, the morgue is very active in terms of spiritual activity. Items often move around on their own, as though an invisible person is throwing them across the room. As a whole, the Rolling Hills Asylum is also filled with disembodied screams and unidentifiable noises. Furnitures and doors move on their own, and guests capture inexplicable figures when they take pictures of seemingly empty rooms. I wanted to hear more about these restless spirits, and as I said before, I've never visited Rolling Hills, so I figured the best person to speak with would be share and Coyle, the current owner, and that is coming up after the break. So I am now joined by the lovely Sharon Coyle, and we were chatting a bit before recording. We go way back, Like I remember you from California, Like right, am, I right.

You're absolutely right. I was living in Huntington Beach and I had a private group, a Private Team Journey Paranormal Society, and it was two other girls and myself and we do home investigations. And then I had started a meetup group called Start the Journey, a paranormal meetup group on meetup, and it ended up being when I left, I had like almost five hundred people in it, from San Diego to Sacramento. At the time, it was the largest paranormal meetup group in the state. So it was pretty cool. Yeah.

You're absolutely right. I was living in Huntington Beach and I had a private group, a Private Team Journey Paranormal Society, and it was two other girls and myself and we do home investigations. And then I had started a meetup group called Start the Journey, a paranormal meetup group on meetup, and it ended up being when I left, I had like almost five hundred people in it, from San Diego to Sacramento. At the time, it was the largest paranormal meetup group in the state. So it was pretty cool. Yeah.

Yeah, because I remembered your face and I when I was like scheduling this and I've seen your name a few times, and I was thinking, I think she goes way way back, like before I was ever on ghost Hunters or anything. I feel like I know this woman. So I'm glad to know that my memory is somewhat intact.

Yeah, because I remembered your face and I when I was like scheduling this and I've seen your name a few times, and I was thinking, I think she goes way way back, like before I was ever on ghost Hunters or anything. I feel like I know this woman. So I'm glad to know that my memory is somewhat intact.

Yeah. Yeah, No, I used to do the Queen Mary a lot, and I think I ran to each other there quite a bit.

Yeah. Yeah, No, I used to do the Queen Mary a lot, and I think I ran to each other there quite a bit.

Yeah, I love that. Well that's so fun. Now talk about culture shock though.

Yeah, I love that. Well that's so fun. Now talk about culture shock though.

Now you're you know, you're in New York. So how did this happen? How did you go from Huntington Beach to buying Rolling Hills Asylum.

Now you're you know, you're in New York. So how did this happen? How did you go from Huntington Beach to buying Rolling Hills Asylum.

Well, it's funny, and we mentioned this off air a second ago. I actually used to, you know, go to alat of the Dave Schrader events, and Dave was doing an event out here on June twelfth, Friday, the thirteenth and fourteenth of two thousand and eight, and this was on my bucket list. So I came out for the event and had three incredible nights of activity and I got a lot of different bits of evidence full body apparitions, you know, class aavps all that kind of stuff, and then went back to California and you know, clicked it off my bucket list, and then i'd ever come back to western New York because honestly, I was living on Mouth of the Beaches, you know, Huntington Beach. And then I grew up in New Hampshire, in a town very so much where Rolling Hills is. I hate the snow and I'm looking at it right now. It's horrible out. I hate the snow too, you know, and I just I had no thought of every moving back to that kind of environment. But in the spring of nine, I got a phone call from someone back here who is like, oh my god, you're not gonna believe what's happening. Rolling Hills is closing. We don't know what's going to get torn down. And honestly, I thought she was kidding, you know, because in my mind it was a historical property. They're not going to tear down historical property. You know. I didn't get it, and I kept trying to change this stuff doing tell her all the cool things I was doing at the time, and she's getting me angry at me, honestly, and so finally I realized she's not joking, and I started crying. I'm like, oh my god, it's gonna happen to the property. What's gonna happen to the spirits is so intelligent? And I was married at the time, and I called my husband at work and I'm crying. He goes, are you in a car accident? I'm like, no, no, rowing hills is good. Close. He goes, really, you're bothering me. Now click, you know I'm working, and he comes. He goes, you know, we were thinking about a lifestyle change. Why didn't you go and take a look at it. So I flew out that was probably like in May of nine, and it didn't look anything like what I remembered being at at the Strader event. Because, as you know, a lot of these events, you only go to a few locations and a property. You don't always see everything, and it's dark. And so when I came back and I looked at the property, I realized, you know, what was going on here? It was just way overpriced and there was just too much work to be had. But for some reason I could not let go of trying to buy this property. I was like a dog with a bone. It was ridiculous and they had wanted too much money. I kept calling about it and find it was going up for auction October twenty fifth, and my birthday was the twenty sixth. So my husband goes, why don't you go out. You have it free airfare, So go out see what happens. And I came out, but the bank was owed a ton of money. They kept bidding against me, and you can't get comps on an asylum, can't, you know, pull up the real estate listings and say, okay, this war humps in a five mile radius, and you know, we'll give you this much money for your loan. So I walked out because I had no more money. I mean, it just wasn't gonna happen. And then they ended up calling me. I think they realized I was the only idiot who showed up and they didn't really want the White Elephant, you know. So that's how I ended up here. I came out with one suitcase after buying it. In the spring of twenty ten, I had lined up a movie with the Booth Brothers, which I associate produced with them and did some casting on it and such, and so that was fun. It was the Exorcist file also called the Haunted Boy, and I had ghost adventures lined up the next week and it's been off and running ever since. So the thing is, I was out here and when I first got here, all the pipes had burst in the house, and the bank didn't do they were supposed to do to all this stuff, and I kept calling my husband because I didn't know what to do. You know, I lived at a townhouse. You call up and say, hey, turn on the water, you know. So I'm calling him. He's not calling me back, And after about i don't know, a couple three weeks, he finally calls me back and says, I don't want to be married to you anymore. Good luck with the ones whoit case click.

Well, it's funny, and we mentioned this off air a second ago. I actually used to, you know, go to alat of the Dave Schrader events, and Dave was doing an event out here on June twelfth, Friday, the thirteenth and fourteenth of two thousand and eight, and this was on my bucket list. So I came out for the event and had three incredible nights of activity and I got a lot of different bits of evidence full body apparitions, you know, class aavps all that kind of stuff, and then went back to California and you know, clicked it off my bucket list, and then i'd ever come back to western New York because honestly, I was living on Mouth of the Beaches, you know, Huntington Beach. And then I grew up in New Hampshire, in a town very so much where Rolling Hills is. I hate the snow and I'm looking at it right now. It's horrible out. I hate the snow too, you know, and I just I had no thought of every moving back to that kind of environment. But in the spring of nine, I got a phone call from someone back here who is like, oh my god, you're not gonna believe what's happening. Rolling Hills is closing. We don't know what's going to get torn down. And honestly, I thought she was kidding, you know, because in my mind it was a historical property. They're not going to tear down historical property. You know. I didn't get it, and I kept trying to change this stuff doing tell her all the cool things I was doing at the time, and she's getting me angry at me, honestly, and so finally I realized she's not joking, and I started crying. I'm like, oh my god, it's gonna happen to the property. What's gonna happen to the spirits is so intelligent? And I was married at the time, and I called my husband at work and I'm crying. He goes, are you in a car accident? I'm like, no, no, rowing hills is good. Close. He goes, really, you're bothering me. Now click, you know I'm working, and he comes. He goes, you know, we were thinking about a lifestyle change. Why didn't you go and take a look at it. So I flew out that was probably like in May of nine, and it didn't look anything like what I remembered being at at the Strader event. Because, as you know, a lot of these events, you only go to a few locations and a property. You don't always see everything, and it's dark. And so when I came back and I looked at the property, I realized, you know, what was going on here? It was just way overpriced and there was just too much work to be had. But for some reason I could not let go of trying to buy this property. I was like a dog with a bone. It was ridiculous and they had wanted too much money. I kept calling about it and find it was going up for auction October twenty fifth, and my birthday was the twenty sixth. So my husband goes, why don't you go out. You have it free airfare, So go out see what happens. And I came out, but the bank was owed a ton of money. They kept bidding against me, and you can't get comps on an asylum, can't, you know, pull up the real estate listings and say, okay, this war humps in a five mile radius, and you know, we'll give you this much money for your loan. So I walked out because I had no more money. I mean, it just wasn't gonna happen. And then they ended up calling me. I think they realized I was the only idiot who showed up and they didn't really want the White Elephant, you know. So that's how I ended up here. I came out with one suitcase after buying it. In the spring of twenty ten, I had lined up a movie with the Booth Brothers, which I associate produced with them and did some casting on it and such, and so that was fun. It was the Exorcist file also called the Haunted Boy, and I had ghost adventures lined up the next week and it's been off and running ever since. So the thing is, I was out here and when I first got here, all the pipes had burst in the house, and the bank didn't do they were supposed to do to all this stuff, and I kept calling my husband because I didn't know what to do. You know, I lived at a townhouse. You call up and say, hey, turn on the water, you know. So I'm calling him. He's not calling me back, And after about i don't know, a couple three weeks, he finally calls me back and says, I don't want to be married to you anymore. Good luck with the ones whoit case click.

So oh my goodness.

So oh my goodness.

Yeah. So I've been out here for fifteen years, so loo Obviously I've met a lot of people that have given me a lot of helpy hands over the years. But it was just the first couple of years amy I didn't know which end was up. I wasn't sleeping, I was working literally twenty hour days, and I was a mess. I was a wreck. It was a really hard time. I'm grateful for a lot of people that have that met along the way I'm gonna cry. I get really emotional, but I stop to think about it because it's been it's been quite the journey.

Yeah. So I've been out here for fifteen years, so loo Obviously I've met a lot of people that have given me a lot of helpy hands over the years. But it was just the first couple of years amy I didn't know which end was up. I wasn't sleeping, I was working literally twenty hour days, and I was a mess. I was a wreck. It was a really hard time. I'm grateful for a lot of people that have that met along the way I'm gonna cry. I get really emotional, but I stop to think about it because it's been it's been quite the journey.

Really, I can only imagine.

Really, I can only imagine.

I mean, I feel like, you know, it's one of those things where in the moment when it's happening and everything is kind of going down, it probably just seemed.

I mean, I feel like, you know, it's one of those things where in the moment when it's happening and everything is kind of going down, it probably just seemed.

Like the end of the world on multiple occasions.

Like the end of the world on multiple occasions.

And but for some reason, like I feel like, you know, and I think you agree, you were meant to be there in some way. It's just there's too many little synchronicities and coincidences, like you were meant to save that location, and for all of the hardships that you've been through, you know, I think at the end of the day, it's that it has to be that satisfaction of kind of what you've done there.

And but for some reason, like I feel like, you know, and I think you agree, you were meant to be there in some way. It's just there's too many little synchronicities and coincidences, like you were meant to save that location, and for all of the hardships that you've been through, you know, I think at the end of the day, it's that it has to be that satisfaction of kind of what you've done there.

So I imagine that's what keeps you going.

So I imagine that's what keeps you going.

I just I'm getting older and I feel like I don't have enough time to get everything done that I want to get done. And it's you know, it's this place is like an onion. You start one thing, it's the bloom an onion. You know, you start one thing and then there's seventeen other layers that pop up that you have to address before you want to go and do the first thing you really try to tackle. So it's it's it's really constant. It's crazy. I don't want to be anywhere else. I'm not complaining. I'm not. If I did, you know, obviously, I would sell the place. I mean, I am supposed to be here. It's just people ask me all the time, Oh, you know, what do you think? Do you think I should buy a haunted location? Autely not? I mean, at least not something of this scope. Buy it in, buy a tower and you know, buy something that's yeahtible, don't buy a sixty thousand square foot property. You know it's by your side.

I just I'm getting older and I feel like I don't have enough time to get everything done that I want to get done. And it's you know, it's this place is like an onion. You start one thing, it's the bloom an onion. You know, you start one thing and then there's seventeen other layers that pop up that you have to address before you want to go and do the first thing you really try to tackle. So it's it's it's really constant. It's crazy. I don't want to be anywhere else. I'm not complaining. I'm not. If I did, you know, obviously, I would sell the place. I mean, I am supposed to be here. It's just people ask me all the time, Oh, you know, what do you think? Do you think I should buy a haunted location? Autely not? I mean, at least not something of this scope. Buy it in, buy a tower and you know, buy something that's yeahtible, don't buy a sixty thousand square foot property. You know it's by your side.

It's funny because I often daydream about owning a location like that, obviously, and I'm in them all the time. But then I meet people like you who are always just you know, like, don't do it. You know what I mean, don't do it girl.

It's funny because I often daydream about owning a location like that, obviously, and I'm in them all the time. But then I meet people like you who are always just you know, like, don't do it. You know what I mean, don't do it girl.

So the beauty of you, though, is that you have a lot of people in your corner, and you have a lot of people that you can rely on that would help you. And I'm just spinning out here by myself on my hill.

So the beauty of you, though, is that you have a lot of people in your corner, and you have a lot of people that you can rely on that would help you. And I'm just spinning out here by myself on my hill.

But myself fine, I will buy the asylum sharing Fine, I will.

But myself fine, I will buy the asylum sharing Fine, I will.

So. I mean so that you know, it's just a different it's just a different animal. I mean, I have a three year old car with eleven thousand miles on it because I don't go anywhere. I'm here. No, I feel that all the time, you know. Yeah, and people people come in and they go, oh, you know, must been making good money.

So. I mean so that you know, it's just a different it's just a different animal. I mean, I have a three year old car with eleven thousand miles on it because I don't go anywhere. I'm here. No, I feel that all the time, you know. Yeah, and people people come in and they go, oh, you know, must been making good money.

I got news for you, and none of us are.

I got news for you, and none of us are.

It's funny, I mean, and I'm not. And again I'm not complaining. Please, I don't want anyone out there to say she's bitching. I'm not. No, you know, I'm just being real with people because people have a misconception of what property owners are doing and what the hell they're living. And maybe others are living high in the hog, but also we are not.

It's funny, I mean, and I'm not. And again I'm not complaining. Please, I don't want anyone out there to say she's bitching. I'm not. No, you know, I'm just being real with people because people have a misconception of what property owners are doing and what the hell they're living. And maybe others are living high in the hog, but also we are not.

I think it's honestly like a very valuable message for a lot of folks out there, you know, because I do think a lot of people think about that or they think of it as a money making opportunity, and I don't know that they always realize everything that goes into it. And so I actually think I'm very glad we went down this road today. What we were chatting is so before we get into the ghosts and things. So I think, like I said, I think it's a very valuable message and I would love to get it out there. So I'm glad you brought it up. But along those lines, you bought it because you love ghosts and I know this about you again and huntings and spirits. So you obviously went there and you investigated with an event and whatnot, But like, what was it from a supernatural standpoint that that called you to Rolling Hills? Like did something happen? Did you see something? Like what was it?

I think it's honestly like a very valuable message for a lot of folks out there, you know, because I do think a lot of people think about that or they think of it as a money making opportunity, and I don't know that they always realize everything that goes into it. And so I actually think I'm very glad we went down this road today. What we were chatting is so before we get into the ghosts and things. So I think, like I said, I think it's a very valuable message and I would love to get it out there. So I'm glad you brought it up. But along those lines, you bought it because you love ghosts and I know this about you again and huntings and spirits. So you obviously went there and you investigated with an event and whatnot, But like, what was it from a supernatural standpoint that that called you to Rolling Hills? Like did something happen? Did you see something? Like what was it?

Well? It was really crazy. I mean, like I said, I was here June twelfth, thirteen Friday the thirteenth, and fourteen, two thousand and eight, and I got so many full body apparitions on foot, like clear crazy stuff you know, class aavps, a bunch of stuff that even after I went back to California, I kept going back and looking at this evidence. It was like on the back of my mind constantly, which is really strange because you know, we had the Queen Mary and the US's Hornet Wolf Manor and all this place I used to go to on a regular basis, But this place just hooked me, and I really swear that they had to have picked me. A couple of weird things that happened. When I came back in May to look at the property with a friend of mine. I was walking out the back door with the owner at the time, and I stood in the in the doorway and I and no one else is in the building, just the three of us. So it's my friend and they had previous owners out the door, and it's just to have us standing in the doorway. And I hollered and I said, look, I'm not going to leave you guys alone. I'm going to do my best to buy the property. You know, I don't want to, you know, think that this is going to get torn. I'm going to do everything I can in my power. And coming from wherever, some woman it sounded like she was like three stories up leaning over a rail and she goes bye like that. It was so loud. We just all looked at each other. It was crazy. And then the second time I came to look at it, when I came to look at it with my husband at the time, I got home and it was the day of answering machines and I used to work from home because I had a corporate job and I was checking my messages and I got this one message. It was on a Tuesday on the machine and there was no incoming number and all it was, and I still have the recording to this day it said I seen ghosts. And then there was a hang up, and I was so weird. So I called the phone company and I said, look, I think someone is stocking me. Blah blah blah blah blah. You know, I want to have this trace, and they go, well, you can't really try to have to make a police report. I said, okay, fine, can you tell me if there were any incoming calls or outgoing calls on this number on this date and you know this date, which was whatever, that Tuesday was no incoming calls, no outgoing calls, just this message from the nether world of saying I seen ghosts. And I did. I saw ghosts, you know, so I really do think they picked me whatever reason. And then the day I bought the property, after I left the courthouse and after the people called me and you know, we went back and you know, talked about it and I ended up being able to buy it. I came in the property, and I was walking through with some friends of mine, had a recorder going, and I stopped in this one area and I'm just talking and just get me go, oh look at this, look at that, La la, la, la la. And then when I played back the record, there's some spirit woman. She's going she's the owner. So all I can think is that the gaggle of spirits were following me through the building and you know, poking each other in the in the in the ribs, saying who the hell is this woman? And the one spirit goes, she's the owner. And I have that recording to this to this day too, So it was very crazy. It's crazy.

Well? It was really crazy. I mean, like I said, I was here June twelfth, thirteen Friday the thirteenth, and fourteen, two thousand and eight, and I got so many full body apparitions on foot, like clear crazy stuff you know, class aavps, a bunch of stuff that even after I went back to California, I kept going back and looking at this evidence. It was like on the back of my mind constantly, which is really strange because you know, we had the Queen Mary and the US's Hornet Wolf Manor and all this place I used to go to on a regular basis, But this place just hooked me, and I really swear that they had to have picked me. A couple of weird things that happened. When I came back in May to look at the property with a friend of mine. I was walking out the back door with the owner at the time, and I stood in the in the doorway and I and no one else is in the building, just the three of us. So it's my friend and they had previous owners out the door, and it's just to have us standing in the doorway. And I hollered and I said, look, I'm not going to leave you guys alone. I'm going to do my best to buy the property. You know, I don't want to, you know, think that this is going to get torn. I'm going to do everything I can in my power. And coming from wherever, some woman it sounded like she was like three stories up leaning over a rail and she goes bye like that. It was so loud. We just all looked at each other. It was crazy. And then the second time I came to look at it, when I came to look at it with my husband at the time, I got home and it was the day of answering machines and I used to work from home because I had a corporate job and I was checking my messages and I got this one message. It was on a Tuesday on the machine and there was no incoming number and all it was, and I still have the recording to this day it said I seen ghosts. And then there was a hang up, and I was so weird. So I called the phone company and I said, look, I think someone is stocking me. Blah blah blah blah blah. You know, I want to have this trace, and they go, well, you can't really try to have to make a police report. I said, okay, fine, can you tell me if there were any incoming calls or outgoing calls on this number on this date and you know this date, which was whatever, that Tuesday was no incoming calls, no outgoing calls, just this message from the nether world of saying I seen ghosts. And I did. I saw ghosts, you know, so I really do think they picked me whatever reason. And then the day I bought the property, after I left the courthouse and after the people called me and you know, we went back and you know, talked about it and I ended up being able to buy it. I came in the property, and I was walking through with some friends of mine, had a recorder going, and I stopped in this one area and I'm just talking and just get me go, oh look at this, look at that, La la, la, la la. And then when I played back the record, there's some spirit woman. She's going she's the owner. So all I can think is that the gaggle of spirits were following me through the building and you know, poking each other in the in the in the ribs, saying who the hell is this woman? And the one spirit goes, she's the owner. And I have that recording to this to this day too, So it was very crazy. It's crazy.

So they're very they're very aware of you.

So they're very they're very aware of you.

And now do you feel like you obviously you've been there now for fifteen years or so, do you feel like that kind of familiarity that they have with you has just gotten even more kind of intense?

And now do you feel like you obviously you've been there now for fifteen years or so, do you feel like that kind of familiarity that they have with you has just gotten even more kind of intense?

Oh for sure, for sure. I mean, even like starting in the beginning and then going forward a little bit, but like in the first few years when I were like I couldn't afford rom and you know, I'd be like crying and and you know, what am I going to do? And I can remember a couple of different times. I'd go into the building after we've cleaned up a certain area and I'd walk down this hallway that we just cleaned the night of the night before, and it was, you know, very spotless, and you'd walk in and all of a sudden, there'd be an envelope in the middle of the floor with dimes and nickels in it, like they were trying to give me money. One time I walked in, I hadn't been in the building in two days, last person out, first person in, doing a tour, and I'm headed towards the morgue with you know, twenty people behind me, and I stopped dead because my light's shining in the morgue and I see the more table and there's five vintage silver dollars from eighteen twenties to the nineteen thirties sitting on the moor table, right in a row.

Oh for sure, for sure. I mean, even like starting in the beginning and then going forward a little bit, but like in the first few years when I were like I couldn't afford rom and you know, I'd be like crying and and you know, what am I going to do? And I can remember a couple of different times. I'd go into the building after we've cleaned up a certain area and I'd walk down this hallway that we just cleaned the night of the night before, and it was, you know, very spotless, and you'd walk in and all of a sudden, there'd be an envelope in the middle of the floor with dimes and nickels in it, like they were trying to give me money. One time I walked in, I hadn't been in the building in two days, last person out, first person in, doing a tour, and I'm headed towards the morgue with you know, twenty people behind me, and I stopped dead because my light's shining in the morgue and I see the more table and there's five vintage silver dollars from eighteen twenties to the nineteen thirties sitting on the moor table, right in a row.

So they're like gathering up what they could for you.

So they're like gathering up what they could for you.

It's crazy. I mean people, it's hard for people to actually fathom that are telling the truth. But I have them. I have the quints, I have pictures of everything. It blows me away. It just blows me away. We do a lot of role playing when we investigate out here, and you know, I'll be sitting in one of the wheelchairs and saying, I need help. I need a bedpan of cold, can you help me? I need to find my room, and a wary or seven a half foot shadow man who is like my favorite guy in the world. Here he'll come out and though people get pictures of him standing over me with his headquirked because he's seven and a half feet tall, with a hand on my shoulder and a hand on my knee trying to help me, it's just it's pretty phenomenal.

It's crazy. I mean people, it's hard for people to actually fathom that are telling the truth. But I have them. I have the quints, I have pictures of everything. It blows me away. It just blows me away. We do a lot of role playing when we investigate out here, and you know, I'll be sitting in one of the wheelchairs and saying, I need help. I need a bedpan of cold, can you help me? I need to find my room, and a wary or seven a half foot shadow man who is like my favorite guy in the world. Here he'll come out and though people get pictures of him standing over me with his headquirked because he's seven and a half feet tall, with a hand on my shoulder and a hand on my knee trying to help me, it's just it's pretty phenomenal.

Do you think they know, like when you have tours and investigations and events and whatnot, do you think that the spirits know that those are like a revenue source and are helping the location in a way.

Do you think they know, like when you have tours and investigations and events and whatnot, do you think that the spirits know that those are like a revenue source and are helping the location in a way.

I'm pretty confident that they are. And I'll tell you a funny I think it's a funny little story, and people can go on SoundCloud and listen to this particular thing. I'm going to tell you. A few years ago, we caught people vaping in the building. I don't know, smoking, vaping, you know, And so I asked the people to leave. Blah blah, blah. And one of the guys that was helping me out on the tours, Andrew, was up by Emma nurse Emma's room, and so he went back up to check on her, because she's very serious, old world German, you know, she's very very strict on things. So he goes into her room and goes, miss Emmer, are you okay? And on the recorder she goes, no, they're smoking in here. She was pissed, and you'll go on SoundCloud and hear it. It's it's she was really irritated, Like.

I'm pretty confident that they are. And I'll tell you a funny I think it's a funny little story, and people can go on SoundCloud and listen to this particular thing. I'm going to tell you. A few years ago, we caught people vaping in the building. I don't know, smoking, vaping, you know, And so I asked the people to leave. Blah blah, blah. And one of the guys that was helping me out on the tours, Andrew, was up by Emma nurse Emma's room, and so he went back up to check on her, because she's very serious, old world German, you know, she's very very strict on things. So he goes into her room and goes, miss Emmer, are you okay? And on the recorder she goes, no, they're smoking in here. She was pissed, and you'll go on SoundCloud and hear it. It's it's she was really irritated, Like.

Oh my goodness.

Oh my goodness.

You'll have to send me some of these and I can add them to the to the broadcast because they're to the podcast, because I feel like.

You'll have to send me some of these and I can add them to the to the broadcast because they're to the podcast, because I feel like.

People would want to hear them.

People would want to hear them.

So maybe friends, at the end of this, when we're done, I'll have a little snippet and I'll play those for you because I think that's fascinating.

So maybe friends, at the end of this, when we're done, I'll have a little snippet and I'll play those for you because I think that's fascinating.

And you know, so it.

And you know, so it.

Really it sounds like too you've you've assigned like names and personalities and everything to all of these or to many of these spirits. Have you been able to trace them back historically to like living people at some point?

Really it sounds like too you've you've assigned like names and personalities and everything to all of these or to many of these spirits. Have you been able to trace them back historically to like living people at some point?

Absolutely a lot of them. We have like narise Emma. A lot of her relatives that live in the area come here. They buy a ticket and they come here and they visit her.

Absolutely a lot of them. We have like narise Emma. A lot of her relatives that live in the area come here. They buy a ticket and they come here and they visit her.

Oh my goodness.

Oh my goodness.

And then so I do have a lot of a lot of the spirits that they do know for facts. These are their names, this is what they told us. We can track them who they are. There's a lot of them I call my flybys where I don't necessarily have a name, but they'll they'll interact and I'll know them by certain ways. And some of them we only know their first name because they only tell us a little bit about themselves. So there's no way to track who they are, of course, if you never have a last name or date or something. But I would say there's a good ten or fifteen of them that we have historical solid information on.

And then so I do have a lot of a lot of the spirits that they do know for facts. These are their names, this is what they told us. We can track them who they are. There's a lot of them I call my flybys where I don't necessarily have a name, but they'll they'll interact and I'll know them by certain ways. And some of them we only know their first name because they only tell us a little bit about themselves. So there's no way to track who they are, of course, if you never have a last name or date or something. But I would say there's a good ten or fifteen of them that we have historical solid information on.

And it sounds like a lot of the activity you have is pretty well intelligent in nature, like I said, but then also just very kind of in your face, like we're talking apparitions and voices and shadow figures. Like how prevalent is it? Is it pretty reliable or are there do you have kind of like dry spells where nothing happens, Well.

And it sounds like a lot of the activity you have is pretty well intelligent in nature, like I said, but then also just very kind of in your face, like we're talking apparitions and voices and shadow figures. Like how prevalent is it? Is it pretty reliable or are there do you have kind of like dry spells where nothing happens, Well.

I mean, you know, Obviously, any location can ebb and flow. In my experience and I'm sure in your experience too, a lot of it really also depends on the people investigating and their energy, their belief, their sensitivity. What they put out into it is what they're going to get back. I get a lot of people that are newbies, you know, that have never done it before, only you know, done it casually once or twice, and or some of them bring you know, loved ones that have been dragged here because they're not really good to it for the girlfriend wants to come, that kind of stuff. So you know, they have different different perspectives like oh, you know, I don't really believe or whatever, And so it can go either way with the spirits. If you don't believe, they can get in your face. You don't believe I'm gonna make you believe, you know that, you're gonna really, you know, go out of here shaking your head, or if you know you're out there with a negative attitude, they're gonna be like, you know, I'm not gonna bother with you. Why would I waste my energy trying to communicate with you when you think it's bullshit? And oh sorry, if anyways, sorry about that, but you know, so it can really ebb and flow. Honestly, though, there were really well known for EVPs, especially class A vps, especially intelligent responses, a lot of you know, full body apparitions, a lot of shadow people, doors opening and closing. There's just so much here. It's and I've been around, like I mean, not as much as you have. And that sounds really bad, but you know what I mean, I haven't been.

I mean, you know, Obviously, any location can ebb and flow. In my experience and I'm sure in your experience too, a lot of it really also depends on the people investigating and their energy, their belief, their sensitivity. What they put out into it is what they're going to get back. I get a lot of people that are newbies, you know, that have never done it before, only you know, done it casually once or twice, and or some of them bring you know, loved ones that have been dragged here because they're not really good to it for the girlfriend wants to come, that kind of stuff. So you know, they have different different perspectives like oh, you know, I don't really believe or whatever, And so it can go either way with the spirits. If you don't believe, they can get in your face. You don't believe I'm gonna make you believe, you know that, you're gonna really, you know, go out of here shaking your head, or if you know you're out there with a negative attitude, they're gonna be like, you know, I'm not gonna bother with you. Why would I waste my energy trying to communicate with you when you think it's bullshit? And oh sorry, if anyways, sorry about that, but you know, so it can really ebb and flow. Honestly, though, there were really well known for EVPs, especially class A vps, especially intelligent responses, a lot of you know, full body apparitions, a lot of shadow people, doors opening and closing. There's just so much here. It's and I've been around, like I mean, not as much as you have. And that sounds really bad, but you know what I mean, I haven't been.

You haven't been around as much as me shares.

You haven't been around as much as me shares.

But and of course now over the last fifteen years, I can't get the hell out of here, but I've investigated a lot of other places. But honestly, I would not have given up living a mile from the beach in Huntington, be California to live in the NUKA, the north, you know, and take on this property if it wasn't that phenomenal. It really truly was that phenomenal.

But and of course now over the last fifteen years, I can't get the hell out of here, but I've investigated a lot of other places. But honestly, I would not have given up living a mile from the beach in Huntington, be California to live in the NUKA, the north, you know, and take on this property if it wasn't that phenomenal. It really truly was that phenomenal.

Right, No, And I think that says a lot like you, I mean obviously, like like you said, you grew up in New Hampshire, which is where I am sitting currently, and it's snowing.

Right, No, And I think that says a lot like you, I mean obviously, like like you said, you grew up in New Hampshire, which is where I am sitting currently, and it's snowing.

There's feet of snow around me.

There's feet of snow around me.

And then so then you got that taste of like the you know, the warmth and the beach and like so cal and and like you said, there's a lot of haunts there and everything. So I I feel like to get someone out of that, especially by yourself. You know, for the most part, it has to be something special, it has to be your calling. And so I completely understand that, you know, as someone who left California as well for Spooky New England, I totally get. So when you have people come in to investigate, I'm sure you kind of give them some protocols and whatnot, Like what do you tell people when they come in, like if they want to have activity or or like do you have like some ground rules that you've set for them or how does that work?

And then so then you got that taste of like the you know, the warmth and the beach and like so cal and and like you said, there's a lot of haunts there and everything. So I I feel like to get someone out of that, especially by yourself. You know, for the most part, it has to be something special, it has to be your calling. And so I completely understand that, you know, as someone who left California as well for Spooky New England, I totally get. So when you have people come in to investigate, I'm sure you kind of give them some protocols and whatnot, Like what do you tell people when they come in, like if they want to have activity or or like do you have like some ground rules that you've set for them or how does that work?

I mean, there's always rules to the establishment, which you know, we don't need to go into the boring stuff of that. But as far as how to investigate and everything, you know, the biggest thing I always tell people is a be upbeat, you know, have a good attitude and be patient because you know, obviously the shows have been very good to both of us, but they also give a lot of people a false sense of how things are done because they're edited down to fifty four minutes, and they think all this stuff will happen and like no time in a blank of an eye. And if they walk in a room and spend two and a half minutes and walk out and do that to the hundred plus rooms and say, well nothing's happened, Well, you just walked in and out in a minute and a half. Of course nothing's gonna happen. They don't even know. If they like you, if they want to talk to you, they can be in the room down the hall patients patients. Patients, record a lot of audio, take a pluthor of pictures, ask good questions, don't be disrespectful, and you know, the more you put out there, the more you're gonna get.

I mean, there's always rules to the establishment, which you know, we don't need to go into the boring stuff of that. But as far as how to investigate and everything, you know, the biggest thing I always tell people is a be upbeat, you know, have a good attitude and be patient because you know, obviously the shows have been very good to both of us, but they also give a lot of people a false sense of how things are done because they're edited down to fifty four minutes, and they think all this stuff will happen and like no time in a blank of an eye. And if they walk in a room and spend two and a half minutes and walk out and do that to the hundred plus rooms and say, well nothing's happened, Well, you just walked in and out in a minute and a half. Of course nothing's gonna happen. They don't even know. If they like you, if they want to talk to you, they can be in the room down the hall patients patients. Patients, record a lot of audio, take a pluthor of pictures, ask good questions, don't be disrespectful, and you know, the more you put out there, the more you're gonna get.

Yeah, no, that makes complete sense.

Yeah, no, that makes complete sense.

In all of the years you've been there, now, has there ever been a point where either like a you were like fearful, like you thought that something there could potentially harm you, or be you were just ready to just give it all up and just leave and just call it and like this is it. I can't do this anymore.

In all of the years you've been there, now, has there ever been a point where either like a you were like fearful, like you thought that something there could potentially harm you, or be you were just ready to just give it all up and just leave and just call it and like this is it. I can't do this anymore.

As far as I'm giving it up and walking away. I never felt that point where I really wanted to give it up. I might want to give up a lot of other things that are being on at the time in my life that I'm really fed up with. But this building and the spirits really keep me going. I mean, if it wasn't for them, honestly, yeah, if it wasn't for them, yeah, I wouldn't be here because it's a ridiculous lifestyle. Really, it's a ridiculous lifestyle. But they really do keep me going. As far as being scared, I mean, there's been one or two incidences where you felt the energy is really off and I don't want to be here. But in their defense and in my perspective, I have so many thousands of people that come here every year that you don't know who's being who's got an attachment, who's bringing other spirits with them, And so usually if any of those times have happened where it's been something's not right, it's usually because there's somebody else that's in the building that has not doesn't really belong in the building.

As far as I'm giving it up and walking away. I never felt that point where I really wanted to give it up. I might want to give up a lot of other things that are being on at the time in my life that I'm really fed up with. But this building and the spirits really keep me going. I mean, if it wasn't for them, honestly, yeah, if it wasn't for them, yeah, I wouldn't be here because it's a ridiculous lifestyle. Really, it's a ridiculous lifestyle. But they really do keep me going. As far as being scared, I mean, there's been one or two incidences where you felt the energy is really off and I don't want to be here. But in their defense and in my perspective, I have so many thousands of people that come here every year that you don't know who's being who's got an attachment, who's bringing other spirits with them, And so usually if any of those times have happened where it's been something's not right, it's usually because there's somebody else that's in the building that has not doesn't really belong in the building.

Yeah, that makes sense, I you know, like I and also just living people in general, regardless of if they have a ghost with them, they're scarier.

Yeah, that makes sense, I you know, like I and also just living people in general, regardless of if they have a ghost with them, they're scarier.

That's probably say you know, people say you're ever afraid I'm like, only want to open up the front door to let you guys.

That's probably say you know, people say you're ever afraid I'm like, only want to open up the front door to let you guys.

In exactly, Like who's coming in now?

In exactly, Like who's coming in now?

Yeah, I mean a spirit does never lie to be cheated on me, broken, my heart is stole from me.

Yeah, I mean a spirit does never lie to be cheated on me, broken, my heart is stole from me.

Oh that's very true. I'm going to adopt that. You please do.

Oh that's very true. I'm going to adopt that. You please do.

Now, what is your like, what is your in your perfect world? What do you see the asylum becoming? Or what is your like endgame here?

Now, what is your like, what is your in your perfect world? What do you see the asylum becoming? Or what is your like endgame here?

Oh my god? Well, you know, I would need to win a lottery to have an endgame because it's just too much work to be had. I mean it's sixty thousand square feet and needs a lot of roof work still. I mean I've been chipping away at it here and there, but I mean, really it needs a lot of work. The windows, all the windows. There's probably I'm going to guess over one hundred and fifty windows maybe are you know a lot of the windows, especially in the nineteen thirty eight So I mean there's no installation. The building was built is bricks and a black sand plaster cement, so I mean there's no insallation in the building. I mean it's just to really try to say, oh yeah, I want to do this to it is really unrealistic. I mean I would if I if someone wants to, you know, be my benefactor, let's bring it back. Let's make it look like I mean, trans Alagany has done some phenomenal things to you know, one of their main buildings. I would love it to look like that. Have their museum that they have, you know, with all their plants, you know, the different floor plans on the wall, and all the different pockets of the different erarors and things. I think what they've done is phenomenal. I don't have the money nor the manpower to even open up one one room museum room, which I wish I had. I have stuff ready to go, but to set it up and get everything going and get everything on the walls, and I just don't have it. So I'm kind of my hands are tired. I put off more than I could chew. And that's the fact. And you know, but I also thought I was going to have a husband that was going to be working a full time job, and instead, you know, this is it. And everything that goes comes in goes right back out. So it's hard to get ahead of the situation. I am working on getting on the national Historical Register. I've been doing that for about a year. By yeah, I'm working with the Landmarks Society and they've been doing all the research that needs to be submitted to the state. But that's a thirteen thousand dollars research project that I'm paying for and then you have to wait. By the time they submit it to the state, it could be six months to a year to get the designation. And all that really does is give you a designation. I don't really get tax credits. I thought I would, but at least in New York for me to get tax credits, I would have to put in the same amount of money the property is valued in one year for repairs to get tax Well, if I had the money, I do the work.