What does it mean to be a great leader in 2026?

In age of cost-cutting and focus on the bottom line, it might just mean focussing on the human elements of your business.

In this powerful conversation, former executive, author and founding director of R U OK? Graeme Cowan joins me to unpack the truth about leadership, mental health, and what it takes to build high-performing teams without burning people out.

Graeme knows what he's talking about because he lived through it. He went from leading at the highest levels of global business to experiencing a five-year battle with severe depression. Now Graeme is sharing the hard-earned lessons that reshaped his life and his definition of success.

Graeme explores how leaders can create cultures of care, why psychological safety drives performance, and the small daily actions that can quite literally change (or even save) a life.

SUPPORT:
If this episode raises concerns for yourself or a loved one, help is available:
Lifeline - 13 11 14 or https://www.lifeline.org.au/
Beyond Blue - https://www.beyondblue.org.au/

LINKS 
Graeme's book 'Great Leaders Care' is available now
Read more about Graeme here
Listen to Graeme's podcast The Caring CEO
More info on R U OK? here
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com 

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What does it mean to be a great leader in 2026?
In age of cost-cutting and focus on the bottom line, it might just mean focussing on the human elements of your business.
In this powerful conversation, former executive, author and founding director of R U OK? Graeme Cowan joins me to unpack the truth about leadership, mental health, and what it takes to build high-performing teams without burning people out.
Graeme knows what he's talking about because he lived through it. He went from leading at the highest levels of global business to experiencing a five-year battle with severe depression. Now Graeme is sharing the hard-earned lessons that reshaped his life and his definition of success.
Graeme explores how leaders can create cultures of care, why psychological safety drives performance, and the small daily actions that can quite literally change (or even save) a life.
SUPPORT: If this episode raises concerns for yourself or a loved one, help is available: Lifeline - 13 11 14 or <a href="https://www.lifeline.org.au/">https://www.lifeline.org.au/</a> Beyond Blue - <a href="https://www.beyondblue.org.au/">https://www.beyondblue.org.au/</a>
LINKS&nbsp;
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Graeme's book 'Great Leaders Care' is <a href="https://graemecowan.com.au/great-leaders-care-2/">available now</a></li>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Read more about Graeme <a href="https://graemecowan.com.au/graemes-story/">here</a></li>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Listen to Graeme's podcast <a href="https://wecare365.com.au/podcast/">The Caring CEO</a></li>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">More info on R U OK? <a href="https://www.ruok.org.au/">here</a></li>
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With every new day comes the opportunity to grow. Hosted by Osher Günsberg - a best-selling author, podcaster, TV host, husband, dad, stepdad, electric mobility enthusiast and part-time climate worrier. This podcast is here to help make today better than yesterday. Since 2013, the show has set out to improve life for you and the people you love. Sometimes it’s authentic conversations. Sometimes we’ll unpack the news or hear how Osher deals with life as a sober person with a different brain. But you’ll always hear something you need to hear (and laugh while you do). Listen to feel less alone, build better habits and discover some solution-based approaches for when life gets tricky.

With every new day comes the opportunity to grow. Hosted by Osher G&uuml;nsberg - a best-selling author, podcaster, TV host, husband, dad, stepdad, electric mobility enthusiast and part-time climate worrier. This podcast is here to help make today better than yesterday. Since 2013, the show has set out to improve life for you and the people you love. Sometimes it&rsquo;s authentic conversations. Sometimes we&rsquo;ll unpack the news or hear how Osher deals with life as a sober person with a different brain. But you&rsquo;ll always hear something you need to hear (and laugh while you do). Listen to feel less alone, build better habits and discover some solution-based approaches for when life gets tricky.

Helping you make today better than yesterday since 2013.

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https://api.omny.fm/orgs/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/clips/1212991b-17ad-4a52-be35-b4330008cea2/transcript

What if the key to a better life isn't avoiding discomfort - but actively seeking it?

In this powerful conversation, Osher sits down with performance psychologist, leadership coach, and world-record holding freediver Ant Williams to explore why some of life's greatest breakthroughs happen when we step into fear rather than run from it.

Drawing on decades of experience helping athletes, leaders, and high performers build their resilience, Ant shares remarkable stories from the extremes of human endurance, including deep ocean freediving, swimming beneath ice, encounters with sharks, and moments where staying calm was the difference between life and death.

But this episode goes far beyond adventure - Ant also reveals practical strategies for managing anxiety, building resilience, handling difficult conversations, improving performance and developing the self-awareness needed to grow through life's challenges.

He also opens up about leaving a fundamentalist church, overcoming fear-based thinking, and how deliberately embracing discomfort transformed his life.

Whether you're navigating career pressure, parenting challenges, relationship struggles, or simply looking to become more mentally resilient, this conversation offers actionable tools to help you stay calm, focused, and confident when it matters most.

LINKS 
Ant's book 'Let It Be Tough: Train your mind to perform under pressure' is available now
See more of Ant in his episode of the Apple TV series 'Adventure'
Follow Ant (@freediveguy) on Instagram
More on Ant's leadership consulting work
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com 

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What if the key to a better life isn't avoiding discomfort - but actively&nbsp;seeking it?
In this powerful conversation, Osher sits down with performance psychologist, leadership coach, and world-record holding freediver Ant Williams to explore why some of life's greatest breakthroughs happen when we step into fear rather than run from it.
Drawing on decades of experience helping athletes, leaders, and high performers build their resilience, Ant shares remarkable stories from the extremes of human endurance, including deep ocean freediving, swimming beneath ice, encounters with sharks, and moments where staying calm was the difference between life and death.
But this episode goes far beyond adventure -&nbsp;Ant also reveals practical strategies for managing anxiety, building resilience, handling difficult conversations, improving performance and developing the self-awareness needed to grow through life's challenges.
He also opens up about leaving a fundamentalist church, overcoming fear-based thinking, and how deliberately embracing discomfort transformed his life.
Whether you're navigating career pressure, parenting challenges, relationship struggles, or simply looking to become more mentally resilient, this conversation offers actionable tools to help you stay calm, focused, and confident when it matters most.
LINKS&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Ant's book 'Let It Be Tough: Train your mind to perform under pressure' is <a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com.au/books/Let-it-be-Tough/Ant-Williams/9781761638565">available now</a></li>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">See more of Ant in his episode of the Apple TV series '<a href="https://tv.apple.com/au/episode/ice-dive/umc.cmc.1lxb2q6h7pj1b6k1q2hgq25xt?showId=umc.cmc.5al10vz5fkqzxonreq110ony0">Adventure'</a></li>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Follow Ant (@freediveguy) on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/freediveguy">Instagram</a></li>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">More on Ant's <a href="https://modusleadership.com.au/team/ant-williams/">leadership consulting work</a></li>
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'Comfort Is Holding You Back': Secrets to Growth and Confidence with Ant Williams

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In a world where the old 'social contract' has been tossed out the window, where AI is taking over human resources and the 'traditional' path feels more like a dead end - where do you look for the new rules of survival? 

Do you look to the old school executive leaders or do you look to the fringes, the creatives, the disruptors? Perhaps there are still ideas and business models which come from well outside the norm that can offer unconventional ways we could move ahead and possibly even achieve unreasonable results?

In this episode, we’re looking back at my chat with economic historian and author of The Misfit Economy Alexa Clay, who spent years inside informal, grey, and black markets, talking to gang leaders, hackers, and pirates, and discovered that they weren't 'just criminals' - they were the most agile entrepreneurs on the planet.

And while the story we’re often told about great business leaders is almost always 'the lone genius with a venture capital war chest', Alexa noticed that the most radical innovation happens when there is zero safety net. So could this 'grey market' be the blueprint for an increasingly uncertain economy?

LINKS 
Listen to the full episode with Alexa here
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com 

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In a world where the old 'social contract' has been tossed out the window, where AI is taking over human resources and the 'traditional' path feels more like a dead end - where do you look for the new rules of survival?&nbsp;
Do you look to the old school executive leaders or do you look to the fringes, the creatives, the disruptors? Perhaps there are still ideas and business models which come from well outside the norm that can offer unconventional ways we could move ahead and possibly even achieve unreasonable results?
In this episode, we&rsquo;re looking back at my chat with economic historian and author of The Misfit Economy Alexa Clay, who spent years inside informal, grey, and black markets, talking to gang leaders, hackers, and pirates, and discovered that they weren't 'just criminals' - they were the most agile entrepreneurs on the planet.
And while the story we&rsquo;re often told about great business leaders is almost always 'the lone genius with a venture capital war chest', Alexa noticed that the most radical innovation happens when there is zero safety net. So could this 'grey market' be the blueprint for an increasingly uncertain economy?
LINKS&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Listen to the full episode with Alexa <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/better-than-yesterday-with-osher-g-nsberg1/78-alexa-clay">here</a></li>
<li>Watch full stories recorded live at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@storyclublive">Story Club</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@storyclublive">&nbsp;on YouTube</a></li>
<li><a href="https://linktr.ee/osher_gunsberg">Get tickets </a>for our next Story Club show</li>
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What Gangsters and Hackers Can Teach As About Thriving in the Modern Economy

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/clips/56a25b29-eda9-4a62-bbb4-b45900394cd5/transcript

It was an absolute pleasure to sit down with Brisbane radio veteran Robin Bailey for a deeply honest and emotional conversation about the extraordinary highs and devastating lows of her life behind the microphone.

I first met Robin in the mid-90s at B105 - I was the overnight guy, she was a new breakfast producer. From there, she quickly cemented herself as a staple and a survivor of the brutal commercial radio industry. In Brisbane alone, she's worked across three commercial station, been sacked at least three times (and most recently re-hired after a month thanks to listener backlash).

But away from the microphone, Robin has endured a number of tragedies that many of us would struggle to come back from - and she's done it time and time again - all under the spotlight of her radio audience.

In this conversation, Robin shares the moments that shaped her career - and her life. She opens up about losing her former husband Tony to suicide, then another husband Sean to cancer, raising three sons through grief, navigating public scrutiny, and why authenticity became her greatest strength.

We also unpack memories of our radio careers, and how Robin would like to see the industry evolve, particularly for female presenters, producers and journalists.

This is a raw, powerful and ultimately hopeful conversation about survival, healing and choosing love in the face of pain.

And a note, this episode deals with suicide, mental health and grief. If you or someone you know need support, please see the resources below.

SUPPORT:
If this episode raises concerns for yourself or a loved one, help is available:
Lifeline - 13 11 14 or https://www.lifeline.org.au/
Beyond Blue - https://www.beyondblue.org.au/
Suicide Call Back Service - 1300 659 467

LINKS 
Robin's book 'Flamingos Aren't Born Pink' is available now
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com 

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It was an absolute pleasure to sit down with Brisbane radio veteran Robin Bailey for a deeply honest and emotional conversation about the extraordinary highs and devastating lows of her life behind the microphone.
I first met Robin in the mid-90s at B105 - I was the overnight guy, she was a new breakfast producer. From there, she quickly cemented herself as a staple and a survivor of the brutal commercial radio industry. In Brisbane alone, she's worked across three commercial station, been sacked at least three times (and most recently re-hired after a month thanks to listener backlash).
But away from the microphone, Robin has endured a number of tragedies that many of us would struggle to come back from - and she's done it time and time again - all under the spotlight of her radio audience.
In this conversation, Robin shares the moments that shaped her career - and her life. She opens up about losing her former husband Tony to suicide, then another husband Sean to cancer, raising three sons through grief, navigating public scrutiny, and why authenticity became her greatest strength.
We also unpack memories of our radio careers, and how Robin would like to see the industry evolve, particularly for female presenters, producers and journalists.
This is a raw, powerful and ultimately hopeful conversation about survival, healing and choosing love in the face of pain.
And a note, this episode deals with suicide, mental health and grief. If you or someone you know need support, please see the resources below.
SUPPORT: If this episode raises concerns for yourself or a loved one, help is available:
<ul>
<li>Lifeline - 13 11 14 or&nbsp;<a href="https://www.lifeline.org.au/">https://www.lifeline.org.au/</a></li>
<li>Beyond Blue -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.beyondblue.org.au/">https://www.beyondblue.org.au/</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.suicidecallbackservice.org.au/">Suicide Call Back Service</a> - 1300 659 467</li>
</ul>
LINKS&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Robin's book 'Flamingos Aren't Born Pink' is&nbsp;<a href="https://harpercollins.com.au/products/9781460768839_flamingos-arent-born-pink-a-moving-and-uplifting-memoir-on-heartbreak-grief-and-finding-joy-by-brisbane-radio-personality-and-podcaster">available now</a></li>
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How Radio Star Robin Bailey Kept Going Through Unimaginable Grief - Twice

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/clips/f2e7ab38-e619-40f7-baa1-b45600550193/transcript

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