What's that Footy's almost back? That's right. I'm James Clementson.

What's that Footy's almost back? That's right. I'm James Clementson.

This is the AFL Today Show and season twenty twenty five is almost here.

This is the AFL Today Show and season twenty twenty five is almost here.

Can you smell it almost in the air?

Can you smell it almost in the air?

Fresh brass, the slap of leather on the hands and feet.

Fresh brass, the slap of leather on the hands and feet.

I guess the thing is we've got a second half.

I guess the thing is we've got a second half.

Of a season total Wins over Under show to do, which is some of the best times of the season. So I'm joined as always by my two best friends over there.

Of a season total Wins over Under show to do, which is some of the best times of the season. So I'm joined as always by my two best friends over there.

It's Alex Suddeley.

It's Alex Suddeley.

You also forgot the smell of deep heat as well, which you know once that ye bring it on.

You also forgot the smell of deep heat as well, which you know once that ye bring it on.

And the little feller in the middle it's the stats man.

And the little feller in the middle it's the stats man.

Let's go. I'm already nervous to talk about North, but here we are.

Let's go. I'm already nervous to talk about North, but here we are.

Why what's what's changed?

Why what's what's changed?

Not much? That's that's my worry. That's my worry.

Not much? That's that's my worry. That's my worry.

I think we can just we're bad under five wins done?

I think we can just we're bad under five wins done?

Nah, go out.

Nah, go out.

We'll get into that.

We'll get into that.

But that's it.

But that's it.

This is the second half of the season, Total win over under the show.

This is the second half of the season, Total win over under the show.

How is every team going to go?

How is every team going to go?

That's what this show and the previous one or for what's the biggest year and aw for every team as well, of course, where do they end up?

That's what this show and the previous one or for what's the biggest year and aw for every team as well, of course, where do they end up?

What do we think happens all season?

What do we think happens all season?

It's the greatest time of year because footy's almost back.

It's the greatest time of year because footy's almost back.

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This can be whatever you need it to be. That's where we land. But that's it. Let's get into it. Footy's almost back. How about a bit of news before we dive into these. Overall not too much, but there's a few things.

This can be whatever you need it to be. That's where we land. But that's it. Let's get into it. Footy's almost back. How about a bit of news before we dive into these. Overall not too much, but there's a few things.

Yeah, because so much has happened in the last two days.

Yeah, because so much has happened in the last two days.

Yeah, someone said state of origin. Everyone flipped out.

Yeah, someone said state of origin. Everyone flipped out.

Every time I think every second show we did this last year, someone goes state of Marrows, Oh my god, and then doesn't happen.

Every time I think every second show we did this last year, someone goes state of Marrows, Oh my god, and then doesn't happen.

Can we actually make it happen?

Can we actually make it happen?

Andrew Gillan Dylan.

Andrew Gillan Dylan.

It's like in terms like whenever, in case of emergency, say state of origin.

It's like in terms like whenever, in case of emergency, say state of origin.

And then if everyone forgets about anything.

And then if everyone forgets about anything.

Like he's running for an election exactly.

Like he's running for an election exactly.

It's like when he does this, it means taxes. It's like, here we go, it's those damn bears. And when we even was the immigants on it, it was the Bears. But the entire thing with the State of Origin is just I don't know if it's to like put people off the sent of how bad his haircut still is.

It's like when he does this, it means taxes. It's like, here we go, it's those damn bears. And when we even was the immigants on it, it was the Bears. But the entire thing with the State of Origin is just I don't know if it's to like put people off the sent of how bad his haircut still is.

I don't know what's happening.

I don't know what's happening.

First Andrew doing haircut reference, then we go.

First Andrew doing haircut reference, then we go.

Taken four episodes, but still I think the state of we don't need state of origin chat at this point of the season.

Taken four episodes, but still I think the state of we don't need state of origin chat at this point of the season.

No, it's off the back of Indigenous All Stars versus Free Life.

No, it's off the back of Indigenous All Stars versus Free Life.

We get and that was awesome, But you know what you don't need to then talk like this is prime like real estate mid season chatter, like you know, off season even you don't even bring around it's like round eight through twelve.

We get and that was awesome, But you know what you don't need to then talk like this is prime like real estate mid season chatter, like you know, off season even you don't even bring around it's like round eight through twelve.

Sorry, imagine a state of origin and you're like, yeah, that'd be good.

Sorry, imagine a state of origin and you're like, yeah, that'd be good.

The thing is, you don't need state of origin chatter two weeks before the start of an awesome season. And as we've gone through, like there is so much parrot in the AFL right now, the focus should be on how awesome these teams are. It should be on like what they're doing for these pre seasons whatever. And as soon as someone said state of origin, I'm like, come on, man, you had to do it, didn't you?

The thing is, you don't need state of origin chatter two weeks before the start of an awesome season. And as we've gone through, like there is so much parrot in the AFL right now, the focus should be on how awesome these teams are. It should be on like what they're doing for these pre seasons whatever. And as soon as someone said state of origin, I'm like, come on, man, you had to do it, didn't you?

Breaking case of emergency.

Breaking case of emergency.

It's not breaking case of two weeks out from the season where everyone should be getting pumpediculous anyway.

It's not breaking case of two weeks out from the season where everyone should be getting pumpediculous anyway.

I mean, I'd be pro if they just said we are bringing back Australia versus Ireland in the international they did that, be.

I mean, I'd be pro if they just said we are bringing back Australia versus Ireland in the international they did that, be.

Like, let's go true.

Like, let's go true.

That would be awesome.

That would be awesome.

That garnered far less attention while it was happening than the stet of origin.

That garnered far less attention while it was happening than the stet of origin.

Yeah, no, probably.

Yeah, no, probably.

It was really cool.

It was really cool.

It was fun.

It was fun.

There was a dog on the field.

There was a dog on the field.

We could go to Croke Parks.

We could go to Croke Parks.

I've been there.

I've been there.

I've snuck into Croke Park random, just a random sure walking past and there.

I've snuck into Croke Park random, just a random sure walking past and there.

Was just open sides walked on the ground so you didn't sneak in.

Was just open sides walked on the ground so you didn't sneak in.

You literally walked through the front door.

You literally walked through the front door.

Well the security guard was getting something. Anyway, that's a long story.

Well the security guard was getting something. Anyway, that's a long story.

That felt like the story.

That felt like the story.

Well like felony.

Well like felony.

Yeah, this isn't gone anywhere.

Yeah, this isn't gone anywhere.

It doesn't.

It doesn't.

That's fine, And the final little bit of news, basically in the two days since we did the last show, is that my beloved Tom Daconing is going to play for me.

That's fine, And the final little bit of news, basically in the two days since we did the last show, is that my beloved Tom Daconing is going to play for me.

I'm offering him.

I'm offering him.

Well, that sounds really twelve million dollars for seven years is what I offered him, right.

Well, that sounds really twelve million dollars for seven years is what I offered him, right.

So what I thought you were offering Harley Reid twenty last year.

So what I thought you were offering Harley Reid twenty last year.

We can afford both. It's just a great spine Harley Read and Tom Daconing.

We can afford both. It's just a great spine Harley Read and Tom Daconing.

This money coming from.

This money coming from.

Never asked.

Never asked.

It's fine, just keep moving. That actually has a bit of the other news there. So the Tom deconing thing is like the rumor is a rival club is offered him twelve mil.

It's fine, just keep moving. That actually has a bit of the other news there. So the Tom deconing thing is like the rumor is a rival club is offered him twelve mil.

But it's not kill possibly not Saint Kilter.

But it's not kill possibly not Saint Kilter.

They said that they offered him one point five million year, but then there's another club or possibly saying.

They said that they offered him one point five million year, but then there's another club or possibly saying.

Actual news is.

Actual news is.

That they're talking through contract terms with Helton as it is as well.

That they're talking through contract terms with Helton as it is as well.

So it's all just going to put him up.

So it's all just going to put him up.

It's just gonna be thinking and they will, I think, as much as much money as they can give him, they will.

It's just gonna be thinking and they will, I think, as much as much money as they can give him, they will.

Like that's one of the weird things. A lot of your salary cap tied up in four dudes.

Like that's one of the weird things. A lot of your salary cap tied up in four dudes.

But at the same time that's why they also moved on from the likes of Olas and stuff, so they're not having to pay them down the track where they're paying rookies now for the next couple of years in the camporeal is Jacob Smith, et cetera. So the other one was, I don't know what's that is that the smell of the Geelong Cats wrought in the salary question mark.

But at the same time that's why they also moved on from the likes of Olas and stuff, so they're not having to pay them down the track where they're paying rookies now for the next couple of years in the camporeal is Jacob Smith, et cetera. So the other one was, I don't know what's that is that the smell of the Geelong Cats wrought in the salary question mark.

I haven't seen this we're talking about earlier. Yeah, it's a bit dodgy, a bit.

I haven't seen this we're talking about earlier. Yeah, it's a bit dodgy, a bit.

It is a lot Chris Scott's position mentoring, mentoring, but it's not even mentoring. It's like a leadership skills position with an associated Geelong business.

It is a lot Chris Scott's position mentoring, mentoring, but it's not even mentoring. It's like a leadership skills position with an associated Geelong business.

Right, And they sponted the Cats. Yeah, they sponsored the Cats.

Right, And they sponted the Cats. Yeah, they sponsored the Cats.

And he's been given an extra job. Now, if this sounds sus.

And he's been given an extra job. Now, if this sounds sus.

It's because it is.

It's because it is.

It's like, ah, we'll pay all this money and you can just give two talks during the season and that's his job.

It's like, ah, we'll pay all this money and you can just give two talks during the season and that's his job.

Eight ridiculous. B The AFL is so so so like convinced that there's nothing wrong.

Eight ridiculous. B The AFL is so so so like convinced that there's nothing wrong.

They're like, please don't say anything about this and please shove it under the rug because that's now going on your soft cap. Part of it is elast so the softcap used to basically pay for your coaches and all your facilities and all that sort of stuff right to equal the playing field. The fact that Chris Cott's like.

They're like, please don't say anything about this and please shove it under the rug because that's now going on your soft cap. Part of it is elast so the softcap used to basically pay for your coaches and all your facilities and all that sort of stuff right to equal the playing field. The fact that Chris Cott's like.

Extra job his side gig.

Extra job his side gig.

He's not driving for Uber, He's like he's working for a club's sponsor and getting paid for it. I need to see pacelips. I need to see clock in our Is he in there four days a week? Is that mandated at this place? What are we doing here?

He's not driving for Uber, He's like he's working for a club's sponsor and getting paid for it. I need to see pacelips. I need to see clock in our Is he in there four days a week? Is that mandated at this place? What are we doing here?

It wouldn't be done that much.

It wouldn't be done that much.

I need to know, because if it isn't, it's very clearly he's Sally cap wrought and the AFL do not want you to know about it. And that's fine because they're like, oh yeah, and also don't ask us ever about like land deals down down the big farms or cotton on and like sponsorships.

I need to know, because if it isn't, it's very clearly he's Sally cap wrought and the AFL do not want you to know about it. And that's fine because they're like, oh yeah, and also don't ask us ever about like land deals down down the big farms or cotton on and like sponsorships.

It's fine. Everything's fine here.

It's fine. Everything's fine here.

Move can't wear a headband, move along. So that was a fun story that popped off as well. You know, I got some vibes about that.

Move can't wear a headband, move along. So that was a fun story that popped off as well. You know, I got some vibes about that.

As a Culton who have never ruled it. Whoever had the last salary cup one they want? He wants a new one on a new salary.

As a Culton who have never ruled it. Whoever had the last salary cup one they want? He wants a new one on a new salary.

Cap is yeah, just level the playing he wants three years of draft picks.

Cap is yeah, just level the playing he wants three years of draft picks.

Gone, Hey, let's do it. Season win over Unders.

Gone, Hey, let's do it. Season win over Unders.

Part two two two two.

Part two two two two.

Are you ready? Hawkball? The Hawthorne Hawks stats guy take us through it.

Are you ready? Hawkball? The Hawthorne Hawks stats guy take us through it.

Let's do it.

Let's do it.

Obviously last season was the rise of hockball. They had like a down year. They got all these young guys and go, oh, we're good again. That's just the Hawthorne way. That same as Gelong I said yesterday, I'm so sick of Geelong and Hawthorne. They don't even they have one off year and then they're good again.

Obviously last season was the rise of hockball. They had like a down year. They got all these young guys and go, oh, we're good again. That's just the Hawthorne way. That same as Gelong I said yesterday, I'm so sick of Geelong and Hawthorne. They don't even they have one off year and then they're good again.

It's very annoying.

It's very annoying.

Smells like he's jealous of actually good recruitment and successful planning.

Smells like he's jealous of actually good recruitment and successful planning.

I am, I'm not not doesn't smile.

I am, I'm not not doesn't smile.

It's a big wi I'm not jealousy. I'm very jealous of the most jealous of capable leadership.

It's a big wi I'm not jealousy. I'm very jealous of the most jealous of capable leadership.

Correct.

Correct.

But obviously last year they are fourteen and nine, finished in seventh. Awesome effort by really young Hawk side. The overrundy this year is fourteen and a half, which you go, oh, that's around the same mark as last year. But I think that's really high considering they're going to have a much tougher fixture, so a lot of the sites have them as the fifth toughest fixture. Obviously, the year before last they finish pretty low, so they had a pretty easy fixture.

But obviously last year they are fourteen and nine, finished in seventh. Awesome effort by really young Hawk side. The overrundy this year is fourteen and a half, which you go, oh, that's around the same mark as last year. But I think that's really high considering they're going to have a much tougher fixture, so a lot of the sites have them as the fifth toughest fixture. Obviously, the year before last they finish pretty low, so they had a pretty easy fixture.

Finishing seventh. It's a lot harder. So I don't know what you guys think.

Finishing seventh. It's a lot harder. So I don't know what you guys think.

There's a lot of teams like the fact that Hawthorne and Brisbane are on the same over under wins total.

There's a lot of teams like the fact that Hawthorne and Brisbane are on the same over under wins total.

That's a joke.

That's a joke.

They're over under. Last year, hitting of the season was eight and a half.

They're over under. Last year, hitting of the season was eight and a half.

Obviously, yeah, rembashed that and we went back to it a lot last year. Remember when they went one and six after getting belted by ninety get the g by this ones. We're like, oh, they they're not good.

Obviously, yeah, rembashed that and we went back to it a lot last year. Remember when they went one and six after getting belted by ninety get the g by this ones. We're like, oh, they they're not good.

Chatta.

Chatta.

We were having last season was like is sam Mitchell going to get fired?

We were having last season was like is sam Mitchell going to get fired?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Did we?

Did we?

We were halfway through that game going with the Hawthorne fan and now Boss Adam to be like gonna last is I don't know.

We were halfway through that game going with the Hawthorne fan and now Boss Adam to be like gonna last is I don't know.

I don't even remember that. I just remember hock ball is being awesome and obviously they got the forty wins. Give us a year now then yeah, yeah, Na, hockball was it a one hit wonder?

I don't even remember that. I just remember hock ball is being awesome and obviously they got the forty wins. Give us a year now then yeah, yeah, Na, hockball was it a one hit wonder?

I think cockball isn't a one hit wonder. I'm gonna say, nah, okay, but I don't know if it's going to be as affective this year despite me going get over. You've got the fifteen and eight same as Carlton. Yeah, I think it's not a one hit wonder, but I think it's effectiveness probably as teams now get an entire off season a game plan for it. When they look at them and they have tape on it, I think they understand what they're dealing with when it comes to Hawthorne. I don't think it's a one hit wonder, but I think it's still good, if slightly less effect I think it's a better team though, because yeah, you'll get into the ins and out.

I think cockball isn't a one hit wonder. I'm gonna say, nah, okay, but I don't know if it's going to be as affective this year despite me going get over. You've got the fifteen and eight same as Carlton. Yeah, I think it's not a one hit wonder, but I think it's effectiveness probably as teams now get an entire off season a game plan for it. When they look at them and they have tape on it, I think they understand what they're dealing with when it comes to Hawthorne. I don't think it's a one hit wonder, but I think it's still good, if slightly less effect I think it's a better team though, because yeah, you'll get into the ins and out.

I was about to say that, yeah wow, yeah there ins and out's obviously you got Josh Battles a jet and then Tom morass is just premiership player, is an absolute start. Their back line is going to be so solid. I'm a little bit worried about their forward line. That's why I'm going the under. And then they're tough of fixture. They've got to play Carlton, Pot Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane, Collingwood and Adelaide so four yeah twice, so you played them twice there's about five teams in there that could make the finals. So that's a really, really tough fixture to play twice.

I was about to say that, yeah wow, yeah there ins and out's obviously you got Josh Battles a jet and then Tom morass is just premiership player, is an absolute start. Their back line is going to be so solid. I'm a little bit worried about their forward line. That's why I'm going the under. And then they're tough of fixture. They've got to play Carlton, Pot Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane, Collingwood and Adelaide so four yeah twice, so you played them twice there's about five teams in there that could make the finals. So that's a really, really tough fixture to play twice.

So yeah, hotboll. I don't think it was a one hit wonder, but it's going to be a tougher year for them, So I'm going under social.

So yeah, hotboll. I don't think it was a one hit wonder, but it's going to be a tougher year for them, So I'm going under social.

How's Mitch Lewis? Yay? Or NAIs if here?

How's Mitch Lewis? Yay? Or NAIs if here?

No?

No?

Okay?

Okay?

Well that I had a lot relying on Mitchell Gating fit for this forward line. I'm he's injured. He's injured at the moment too. Apparently I have him on the over, but I wouldn't be very surprised if it slips under, just with the much harder draw this year compared to last year. I think defensively they're going to be very strong. But again it's that forward line that I that I'm concerned about. But also will Day could just win the brown line. So yeah, will Days looked really good in preseason. Get him in your supercoast just must be a superca. He looks really good. He could be their best player this year. I reckon the.

Well that I had a lot relying on Mitchell Gating fit for this forward line. I'm he's injured. He's injured at the moment too. Apparently I have him on the over, but I wouldn't be very surprised if it slips under, just with the much harder draw this year compared to last year. I think defensively they're going to be very strong. But again it's that forward line that I that I'm concerned about. But also will Day could just win the brown line. So yeah, will Days looked really good in preseason. Get him in your supercoast just must be a superca. He looks really good. He could be their best player this year. I reckon the.

Big call I've been saying all season, all preseason. There's Nick Watson, the Wire's going to be all Australian. So I genuinely reckon he could kick.

Big call I've been saying all season, all preseason. There's Nick Watson, the Wire's going to be all Australian. So I genuinely reckon he could kick.

Forty goals thirty thirty eight, forty goals.

Forty goals thirty thirty eight, forty goals.

I reckon this season two goals a game and you're just going to tear it up this season.

I reckon this season two goals a game and you're just going to tear it up this season.

Two games forty six.

Two games forty six.

Yeah, but he might not play every game around that, around that to.

Yeah, but he might not play every game around that, around that to.

A game, Jim's Jim's nod in his head.

A game, Jim's Jim's nod in his head.

Fine, yeah, you can yourself on your own, Petard.

Fine, yeah, you can yourself on your own, Petard.

That's that's not that. I think it's a call.

That's that's not that. I think it's a call.

Australian Nick Watson, that's great. Yeah, that's a good call.

Australian Nick Watson, that's great. Yeah, that's a good call.

I don't Yeah, and then rising up chucked in kalsha dip just I think he's going to go. They will rely on him a lot though, like you said, if Mitch Lewis isn't playing, he's gonna have to kick a lot of goals because they're smalls. Yeah, are going to chip in. But in Big four needs to fire up, and I think they're most improved. He was sold last year, but I think you can take another level is coconomc donald. So they've got the pieces there to go on that over, but I'm just going under because of their tough exture.

I don't Yeah, and then rising up chucked in kalsha dip just I think he's going to go. They will rely on him a lot though, like you said, if Mitch Lewis isn't playing, he's gonna have to kick a lot of goals because they're smalls. Yeah, are going to chip in. But in Big four needs to fire up, and I think they're most improved. He was sold last year, but I think you can take another level is coconomc donald. So they've got the pieces there to go on that over, but I'm just going under because of their tough exture.

I'm going slightly over.

I'm going slightly over.

Yeah, I'm slightly over too, but I won't be surprised if they just dropped like a random ten and thirteen year.

Yeah, I'm slightly over too, but I won't be surprised if they just dropped like a random ten and thirteen year.

Yep, they're one of the I think as you look at a bunch of these teams, they're the one that has probably more volatility than I think than a lot of other teams. It's like, we'll get to port later on that sort of stuff.

Yep, they're one of the I think as you look at a bunch of these teams, they're the one that has probably more volatility than I think than a lot of other teams. It's like, we'll get to port later on that sort of stuff.

Well, it makes it really excited for that hawks Port game. Can versus Sis and Genevan and given me a lot of beef like it.

Well, it makes it really excited for that hawks Port game. Can versus Sis and Genevan and given me a lot of beef like it.

You didn't even say Guineman's name until right there. Neither.

You didn't even say Guineman's name until right there. Neither.

Well he's not that good, He's alright. It just provides the vibes.

Well he's not that good, He's alright. It just provides the vibes.

Just let the man go to the pub.

Just let the man go to the pub.

They've got about ten other players.

They've got about ten other players.

But anyway, the Melbourne Demons.

But anyway, the Melbourne Demons.

ALEX twenty twenty four, they went eleven and twelve, finished in fourteenth. They're over under is eleven and a half, so bang on what they were last year. Obviously, everything went wrong last year. Petrarca nearly died, Clary was partying and then unfit. Stephen May and Jake Lever are injured at different times of the year. Simon Goodwin was fired and then not fired. The board. Everyone was getting sued. It was a great time. So the year nor is very simple, Jim, does it all come crumbling down in twenty twenty five?

ALEX twenty twenty four, they went eleven and twelve, finished in fourteenth. They're over under is eleven and a half, so bang on what they were last year. Obviously, everything went wrong last year. Petrarca nearly died, Clary was partying and then unfit. Stephen May and Jake Lever are injured at different times of the year. Simon Goodwin was fired and then not fired. The board. Everyone was getting sued. It was a great time. So the year nor is very simple, Jim, does it all come crumbling down in twenty twenty five?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Nah, oh I'll go. I'm gonna go. Yeah.

Nah, oh I'll go. I'm gonna go. Yeah.

I think they cooked me that Petraka at his best Clary. They're saying, all, he's fired up.

I think they cooked me that Petraka at his best Clary. They're saying, all, he's fired up.

I don't think he's gonna fit. He looks fit, but like, I don't know, it might take.

I don't think he's gonna fit. He looks fit, but like, I don't know, it might take.

Him, I reckon at least half the season to build up. The culture seems off. Everything at Maulbourne just is off.

Him, I reckon at least half the season to build up. The culture seems off. Everything at Maulbourne just is off.

So I'm going to say, yes, it comes crumbly now, ye.

So I'm going to say, yes, it comes crumbly now, ye.

Say nah, like I wanted to, like desperately. I think Petrarca has like comeback as like a weird sort of story. I think Oliver's comeback is a weird sort of story. Maximus or really just Gornicus, he'll be the son of a well father of an awesome son party or at big festivals that I've seen him twice this offseason a wine bar. I'm like good a, Max, He's like good a Jimmil later hang out with Jakie Lever as well at the basketball the other day.

Say nah, like I wanted to, like desperately. I think Petrarca has like comeback as like a weird sort of story. I think Oliver's comeback is a weird sort of story. Maximus or really just Gornicus, he'll be the son of a well father of an awesome son party or at big festivals that I've seen him twice this offseason a wine bar. I'm like good a, Max, He's like good a Jimmil later hang out with Jakie Lever as well at the basketball the other day.

Oh yeah, So I think there's enough similar to last year.

Oh yeah, So I think there's enough similar to last year.

I don't think it all goes crumbling down where they finish, like what six wins and what's that seventeen lawsuit? Yeah, I think it's like around twelve thirteen, I'm still going to go over so eleven and a half, I end up landing around the twelve or thirteen win because you think about that creamy, creamy middle, Like there's teams that can on every sort of on any given Sunday when it comes to the old NFL, but any weekend, Like, I think you've got a punch his chance. I think they've got enough talent that they've a punch his chance. The forward line is always gonna be the problem.

I don't think it all goes crumbling down where they finish, like what six wins and what's that seventeen lawsuit? Yeah, I think it's like around twelve thirteen, I'm still going to go over so eleven and a half, I end up landing around the twelve or thirteen win because you think about that creamy, creamy middle, Like there's teams that can on every sort of on any given Sunday when it comes to the old NFL, but any weekend, Like, I think you've got a punch his chance. I think they've got enough talent that they've a punch his chance. The forward line is always gonna be the problem.

But the thing is win.

But the thing is win.

They drag every team into the mark right that defense. If they're both helvy Stephen healthy, Stephen May and Jakie Lever, then they.

They drag every team into the mark right that defense. If they're both helvy Stephen healthy, Stephen May and Jakie Lever, then they.

Drag everybody down with him. It's like hanging out with stats guy. He's a bad influence on his friends. It's like Melbourne have become getting into.

Drag everybody down with him. It's like hanging out with stats guy. He's a bad influence on his friends. It's like Melbourne have become getting into.

Fights, punching cars, breaking windows, causing have excelling houses in this and it's what he does now. It's crazy, and I think Melbourne, that's what they do to you as well, like all the range coughing, Range, drove driving, just disinterested their fans. Like, I still think there is a base level of competency in that team, and they're coaching where this isn't very similar to Hawthorne. I can see this, Like, I don't think it all comes crumbling down, but it doesn't surprise you.

Fights, punching cars, breaking windows, causing have excelling houses in this and it's what he does now. It's crazy, and I think Melbourne, that's what they do to you as well, like all the range coughing, Range, drove driving, just disinterested their fans. Like, I still think there is a base level of competency in that team, and they're coaching where this isn't very similar to Hawthorne. I can see this, Like, I don't think it all comes crumbling down, but it doesn't surprise you.

With the volatility where.

With the volatility where.

They could win fifteen games, they could also win eight, No chance. I still think they go over. I think they're just slightly over because if you and this is the thing we haven't hit on, who do they play twice?

They could win fifteen games, they could also win eight, No chance. I still think they go over. I think they're just slightly over because if you and this is the thing we haven't hit on, who do they play twice?

They play North Melbourne, Gold Coast or West Coast Hawthorns and killed it and calling with twice, So that's.

They play North Melbourne, Gold Coast or West Coast Hawthorns and killed it and calling with twice, So that's.

Pretty easysh squishy.

Pretty easysh squishy.

But it's like weirdly rated is like the seventeenth hardest right yeah yeah no.

But it's like weirdly rated is like the seventeenth hardest right yeah yeah no.

So for me, I've got there, I've got them hitting the under, I've got them ten and thirty.

So for me, I've got there, I've got them hitting the under, I've got them ten and thirty.

I think Claria is going to be their best player.

I think Claria is going to be their best player.

This feels like that redemption year because one if he wants to go to Geelong and leave Melbourne, he needs to have a good season so he can get traded out. My big call is that they missed finals. I think the rising stars. Harvey Langford, I think he's a good favorite player out of that draft last year, and that's a big call as well, but I think he is and Jim's mate Thalstrop is the cult hero.

This feels like that redemption year because one if he wants to go to Geelong and leave Melbourne, he needs to have a good season so he can get traded out. My big call is that they missed finals. I think the rising stars. Harvey Langford, I think he's a good favorite player out of that draft last year, and that's a big call as well, but I think he is and Jim's mate Thalstrop is the cult hero.

Great great name. Colton.

Great great name. Colton.

Yeah, but they have Yeah, like the other one that I've looked at, They've got the easiest schedule. So I think that's just that holds where it's so squishy that they can they put him the clamps on teams. They can probably just fall over the line in a bunch of like rummy games that I do not want to.

Yeah, but they have Yeah, like the other one that I've looked at, They've got the easiest schedule. So I think that's just that holds where it's so squishy that they can they put him the clamps on teams. They can probably just fall over the line in a bunch of like rummy games that I do not want to.

On a Saturday night at the MCG with twelve thousand people.

On a Saturday night at the MCG with twelve thousand people.

Yeah, I'm going I'm going under as well. I think I like I'm lower than you. I think I had him around eight or nine wins, but ten ten, probably eight to ten is probably the right range. My ladder definitely under.

Yeah, I'm going I'm going under as well. I think I like I'm lower than you. I think I had him around eight or nine wins, but ten ten, probably eight to ten is probably the right range. My ladder definitely under.

My ladder has him thirteenth.

My ladder has him thirteenth.

That's probably my lock on this one. Is Melbourne going under.

That's probably my lock on this one. Is Melbourne going under.

I just don't rate them at all, And what do they got they get? Melbourne isn't in it? Gather around as a Saturday night as well? Yeah though, is it?

I just don't rate them at all, And what do they got they get? Melbourne isn't in it? Gather around as a Saturday night as well? Yeah though, is it?

I think that's a Saturday night.

I think that's a Saturday night.

There's a four to forty one there.

There's a four to forty one there.

I don't know anyway, there you go Melbourne. I think we're all kind of slightly just not convinced. Correct, Next up.

I don't know anyway, there you go Melbourne. I think we're all kind of slightly just not convinced. Correct, Next up.

Talking about people when our teams are not convinced.

Talking about people when our teams are not convinced.

About the win over Unders four? The North Melbourne clark a ruse. Let's go stats man, you're beloved North Melbourne. How are they going to go this year? What's they're over under? Take us through it?

About the win over Unders four? The North Melbourne clark a ruse. Let's go stats man, you're beloved North Melbourne. How are they going to go this year? What's they're over under? Take us through it?

Oh?

Oh?

Do I have to?

Do I have to?

I will, I'll do this. I'll put myself through this. Twenty twenty four obviously it was the same as twenty twenty three, three and twenty finished in seventeenth. Oh, anyway, that's just that's in the past. Over Under is five and a half, a healthy five and a half. A lot of wins there, Yeah, no good but the yeah and after this one is pretty simple. Do North need to double their wins for Clarko? Sorry, let me do that again. North need to double their wins or Clarko is gone. Yeah no, no no, they can't afford to pay you man.

I will, I'll do this. I'll put myself through this. Twenty twenty four obviously it was the same as twenty twenty three, three and twenty finished in seventeenth. Oh, anyway, that's just that's in the past. Over Under is five and a half, a healthy five and a half. A lot of wins there, Yeah, no good but the yeah and after this one is pretty simple. Do North need to double their wins for Clarko? Sorry, let me do that again. North need to double their wins or Clarko is gone. Yeah no, no no, they can't afford to pay you man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That that was my follow up thought, Dorn like, if we if we get three wins again, that is an absolute joke.

That that was my follow up thought, Dorn like, if we if we get three wins again, that is an absolute joke.

Three years in a row of the same coach.

Three years in a row of the same coach.

You get three wins Elder you and Harry Sheets, So it's fine, yeah, exactly.

You get three wins Elder you and Harry Sheets, So it's fine, yeah, exactly.

Get three wins again.

Get three wins again.

That's just it's like Clark, we're building something here, and everyone's like, we're gonna eat this up with a spoon for another eighteen months. You're not worried about twenty five twenty six. If it's like halfway through twenty twenty six and you're like winless, then then the pressure starts. Then the Jets get turned up a bit. But if like they go through this season with three and twenty again, there's like I just gave you the kids, and everyone will eat it up because it's Clark.

That's just it's like Clark, we're building something here, and everyone's like, we're gonna eat this up with a spoon for another eighteen months. You're not worried about twenty five twenty six. If it's like halfway through twenty twenty six and you're like winless, then then the pressure starts. Then the Jets get turned up a bit. But if like they go through this season with three and twenty again, there's like I just gave you the kids, and everyone will eat it up because it's Clark.

Oh, and he's like, I don't know. I still argue that Clarko was a fraud. And if we go through this year and they don't win six games, that should be the year. Now.

Oh, and he's like, I don't know. I still argue that Clarko was a fraud. And if we go through this year and they don't win six games, that should be the year. Now.

If they don't, if they don't go over that, that's what I said, double their wins.

If they don't, if they don't go over that, that's what I said, double their wins.

So the positive for you is stats. Guys, when you're three and twenty, by the end of the season, the women will be undefeated and on top of the ladder. So to just be like that push that ain't happening. Look at this, we're on top of the ladder.

So the positive for you is stats. Guys, when you're three and twenty, by the end of the season, the women will be undefeated and on top of the ladder. So to just be like that push that ain't happening. Look at this, we're on top of the ladder.

No. I genuinely think they came double their wins and get to at least six. So that's the The over under is five and a half. I think it's going to be around that six to six and seventeen mark possibly seven because there's gonna be a few random wins. I think the Inns are really really good, So I think Caleb Daniel is an absolute jet. I think he's underrated. I know you won't agree with me on that one. I think his bowl movement is really good and exactly what North need. I'm a big fan of Luke Parker. I think he's gonna help you obviously, I'm not a fan of Jack Darling, but hopefully helps out the super.

No. I genuinely think they came double their wins and get to at least six. So that's the The over under is five and a half. I think it's going to be around that six to six and seventeen mark possibly seven because there's gonna be a few random wins. I think the Inns are really really good, So I think Caleb Daniel is an absolute jet. I think he's underrated. I know you won't agree with me on that one. I think his bowl movement is really good and exactly what North need. I'm a big fan of Luke Parker. I think he's gonna help you obviously, I'm not a fan of Jack Darling, but hopefully helps out the super.

I was gonna throw a flag on the play there. If you're like I'm excited about Jack Darling, you've spent seven months talking rubbish about Jack Darling.

I was gonna throw a flag on the play there. If you're like I'm excited about Jack Darling, you've spent seven months talking rubbish about Jack Darling.

The preseason game was North Verst not so we got to win that. I was really good, but Jack Darling. All the north Mans are like, oh, Jack Darling dominated.

The preseason game was North Verst not so we got to win that. I was really good, but Jack Darling. All the north Mans are like, oh, Jack Darling dominated.

It was against our buddy Seed team. They're like, he played really well.

It was against our buddy Seed team. They're like, he played really well.

Aiden Core probably or Aiden Kre's brother or something like that.

Aiden Core probably or Aiden Kre's brother or something like that.

So don't. I don't believe in the hype on Jack Darling, but I'm excited.

So don't. I don't believe in the hype on Jack Darling, but I'm excited.

It's more it's he's taking pressure off of Soup. That's what he's there for. I've been so much, way too much time obad Jack Darling. Yes, because I don't think he impacts like the over under on this thing. No, on this thing really comes down to who do you play?

It's more it's he's taking pressure off of Soup. That's what he's there for. I've been so much, way too much time obad Jack Darling. Yes, because I don't think he impacts like the over under on this thing. No, on this thing really comes down to who do you play?

Twice?

Twice?

Yes, so we got to play the dogs who we never beat, Melbourne, who.

Yes, so we got to play the dogs who we never beat, Melbourne, who.

We all beat him both times, beat them both towns we might.

We all beat him both times, beat them both towns we might.

Have been him once, Adelaide, who are very shaky, Sydney, Alton and Richmond.

Have been him once, Adelaide, who are very shaky, Sydney, Alton and Richmond.

I think we can beat Richmond.

I think we can beat Richmond.

Well, there's four wins out of Melbourne and Richmond man not that bad.

Well, there's four wins out of Melbourne and Richmond man not that bad.

I should have beaten them last year.

I should have beaten them last year.

We should have, But I reckon we could get one win against Melbourne, two wins against Richmond and then the other ones.

We should have, But I reckon we could get one win against Melbourne, two wins against Richmond and then the other ones.

I'm not confident at all.

I'm not confident at all.

The biggest thing here is I still think your year now quite literally the Emperor's closed, right, That's the simple thing. Do they They need to essentially get to five wins at the very least it still goes under They need to improve. They need to improve by at least two wins or else the Emperor's clos are off and Clarko will be exposed for the fraud that I believe that he is and that he probably is. Ye, So how does Ruball clark Oball actually go this year's tests?

The biggest thing here is I still think your year now quite literally the Emperor's closed, right, That's the simple thing. Do they They need to essentially get to five wins at the very least it still goes under They need to improve. They need to improve by at least two wins or else the Emperor's clos are off and Clarko will be exposed for the fraud that I believe that he is and that he probably is. Ye, So how does Ruball clark Oball actually go this year's tests?

Me, I am saying we're going the over six, so I'm saying we can double our wins. I think all the young guys, so I'm saying most improved is Jackson Archer. A bit of a left field one, but he looked really good second half.

Me, I am saying we're going the over six, so I'm saying we can double our wins. I think all the young guys, so I'm saying most improved is Jackson Archer. A bit of a left field one, but he looked really good second half.

Of the year.

Of the year.

Then you just talk about all of our best players in mckirchew, she's a water. They got another year in them. I'm actually really excited to watch them again. So and then you got Tristan Sherry. I reckon he's going to be an Australian ruck So there is building blocks there.

Then you just talk about all of our best players in mckirchew, she's a water. They got another year in them. I'm actually really excited to watch them again. So and then you got Tristan Sherry. I reckon he's going to be an Australian ruck So there is building blocks there.

In the midfield.

In the midfield.

That's bad, But I genuinely think they can get to about six wins and get the over.

That's bad, But I genuinely think they can get to about six wins and get the over.

I've got five, so I'm slightly under.

I've got five, so I'm slightly under.

I got seven.

I got seven.

Seven really yeah?

Seven really yeah?

Another the most optimistic Luke Parker.

Another the most optimistic Luke Parker.

Baby, he's not going to change that one.

Baby, he's not going to change that one.

Yes he is.

Yes he is.

Marckerball over unders this year for our beloved for Adelaide Power sixteen and seven. I don't know if there was a team we talked about more last year. That's the roll of Coaster sixteen and seven. Last year they finished second. How did they go in the finals?

Marckerball over unders this year for our beloved for Adelaide Power sixteen and seven. I don't know if there was a team we talked about more last year. That's the roll of Coaster sixteen and seven. Last year they finished second. How did they go in the finals?

They won one? Anyway, over under for this year is thirteen and a half.

They won one? Anyway, over under for this year is thirteen and a half.

I have them around fourteen and nine again, really, which is up for debate, and that's what this entire show is about, of course, So I'm going to probably go the over. But I think everything hinges quite simply.

I have them around fourteen and nine again, really, which is up for debate, and that's what this entire show is about, of course, So I'm going to probably go the over. But I think everything hinges quite simply.

On this year.

On this year.

Now, Okay, does the coaching succession plan of our man Ken.

Now, Okay, does the coaching succession plan of our man Ken.

Is it enough?

Is it enough?

I don't know, the succession to Josh Carr. Does it detract too much from what they're doing on the field and the way they're playing.

I don't know, the succession to Josh Carr. Does it detract too much from what they're doing on the field and the way they're playing.

Yeah, I'm going to say nah, just simply because I think they love it. They love Ken. I think it's going to help them. I think that's the only that's the only way that they're going to go. Ah, well, maybe we're not that good, but we'll blue this for Ken like Butter's Rosie that you can tell they love two dudes.

Yeah, I'm going to say nah, just simply because I think they love it. They love Ken. I think it's going to help them. I think that's the only that's the only way that they're going to go. Ah, well, maybe we're not that good, but we'll blue this for Ken like Butter's Rosie that you can tell they love two dudes.

They absolutely love Ken. So I think they're going to try a lot hard.

They absolutely love Ken. So I think they're going to try a lot hard.

They're going to try overly hard, but then they're going to try a lot hard at four Ken, so I think it won't.

They're going to try overly hard, but then they're going to try a lot hard at four Ken, so I think it won't.

Detract at all.

Detract at all.

Over Under, what are you reckonscids man?

Over Under, what are you reckonscids man?

I am going under though.

I am going under though.

I think they're going to get around twelve to thirteen wins, so just under that thirty and a half, I reckon they could miss finals. I think the likes of Geelong and Hawthorne are going to be that bottom part of the ladder and I don't know, I just don't think their team's good enough. Their midfield's really good, and their four lines very iffy.

I think they're going to get around twelve to thirteen wins, so just under that thirty and a half, I reckon they could miss finals. I think the likes of Geelong and Hawthorne are going to be that bottom part of the ladder and I don't know, I just don't think their team's good enough. Their midfield's really good, and their four lines very iffy.

Alex the coaching succession plan.

Alex the coaching succession plan.

So NAH doesn't detract from what they're doing because what they're doing is sliding down the ladder regardless. I'm big on there under and then falling out of the top eight this year and Ken doesn't last the season.

So NAH doesn't detract from what they're doing because what they're doing is sliding down the ladder regardless. I'm big on there under and then falling out of the top eight this year and Ken doesn't last the season.

I think you'll last the season because of the succession pan.

I think you'll last the season because of the succession pan.

I think this is the trickiest part of talk about volatility. I think that's exactly how it goes right. They could go in a similar fashion to last year. It's like, oh my god, it's all falling apart. We're gonna fire ken, and everybody rallies around in for another six games and it all starts falling apart again, and then they rally around in one more time for one last push. And that's why I land at fourteen and nine, which is the over, but only just And that's just in like a fourteen and nine fifteen eight.

I think this is the trickiest part of talk about volatility. I think that's exactly how it goes right. They could go in a similar fashion to last year. It's like, oh my god, it's all falling apart. We're gonna fire ken, and everybody rallies around in for another six games and it all starts falling apart again, and then they rally around in one more time for one last push. And that's why I land at fourteen and nine, which is the over, but only just And that's just in like a fourteen and nine fifteen eight.

There's so many teams in this range, right, it was like they're all scrappy.

There's so many teams in this range, right, it was like they're all scrappy.

They've got Sam pow Pepper, who's also a walk criminal, but he's coming back from injury at this point at some point this season, right, And so I think just the fact you have what big yvanne go, I want to be here, and then everybody else go, what's happening?

They've got Sam pow Pepper, who's also a walk criminal, but he's coming back from injury at this point at some point this season, right, And so I think just the fact you have what big yvanne go, I want to be here, and then everybody else go, what's happening?

Where are you going? And he's I don't know anymore.

Where are you going? And he's I don't know anymore.

It was amazing, right, they just have like this weird, strange setup this year. I think they just pull out enough wins. I'm slightly optimistic the best player obviously, Butters I think he could win the Brown though.

It was amazing, right, they just have like this weird, strange setup this year. I think they just pull out enough wins. I'm slightly optimistic the best player obviously, Butters I think he could win the Brown though.

I've got him as the.

I've got him as the.

Big calls top three at the very least, if not top two, if not winning the entire thing. Rising Stars Rising Star Mitch Georgiadis is an absolute weapon.

Big calls top three at the very least, if not top two, if not winning the entire thing. Rising Stars Rising Star Mitch Georgiadis is an absolute weapon.

He's already a weapon, I reckon.

He's already a weapon, I reckon.

I mean that's why he's a super second year back from an A Yeah, and.

I mean that's why he's a super second year back from an A Yeah, and.

The most improved player. I think this is an easy one for me. Todd Marshall, like, it's going to be hard for him to improve. He's out for the year.

The most improved player. I think this is an easy one for me. Todd Marshall, like, it's going to be hard for him to improve. He's out for the year.

Well, that's right. He ruptured his achilles tendon.

Well, that's right. He ruptured his achilles tendon.

Last month ago.

Last month ago.

Yeah, God, I wrote this ages ago. That sucks.

Yeah, God, I wrote this ages ago. That sucks.

I think the entire idea though, of like they need somebody like like that big target up.

I think the entire idea though, of like they need somebody like like that big target up.

Front, and that was going to be Todd Marshall.

Front, and that was going to be Todd Marshall.

Has to be George.

Has to be George.

It has to be Georgia has to be there most.

It has to be Georgia has to be there most.

He has to improve as well, because there's been a lot of hype about Georgia Ardi's and he's Yes, he got injured along the way, but this is the time to deliver it.

He has to improve as well, because there's been a lot of hype about Georgia Ardi's and he's Yes, he got injured along the way, but this is the time to deliver it.

Yeah, he has to otherwise they cooked.

Yeah, he has to otherwise they cooked.

Will Drew's the cult hero just because I love him.

Will Drew's the cult hero just because I love him.

He is good. He's very underrated. He's a lock for your twenty in your multi they.

He is good. He's very underrated. He's a lock for your twenty in your multi they.

Have twice the two games against Hawthorne, which is gonna be awesome fun two games against Sydney, which is always a fun one as well because.

Have twice the two games against Hawthorne, which is gonna be awesome fun two games against Sydney, which is always a fun one as well because.

They have a storied history. Adelaide love that, of course.

They have a storied history. Adelaide love that, of course.

You're long always fascinating as well, Frio Crazy and Carlton.

You're long always fascinating as well, Frio Crazy and Carlton.

So that's a tough fiction.

So that's a tough fiction.

Weird picture what happens when you make a prene of course they deserve it, but there we go.

Weird picture what happens when you make a prene of course they deserve it, but there we go.

So there we go. I'm going over you're over non.

So there we go. I'm going over you're over non.

Under, well not one under, but yeah, this one's a pretty tough one.

Under, well not one under, but yeah, this one's a pretty tough one.

This is the I love it.

This is the I love it.

The over under for the Richmond Tigers, Alex. Yeah.

The over under for the Richmond Tigers, Alex. Yeah.

So they went two and twenty one last year quite clearly. Last they're over under is two and a half. Oh, I just wanted to say the outs before I get to the NR because it rolls with this. The outs from last season Dustin, Martin, Pickett, Bolton, Graham, Baker and Rially ye.

So they went two and twenty one last year quite clearly. Last they're over under is two and a half. Oh, I just wanted to say the outs before I get to the NR because it rolls with this. The outs from last season Dustin, Martin, Pickett, Bolton, Graham, Baker and Rially ye.

Oh sorry on that.

Oh sorry on that.

I think they all finished top like eight in their best and first as well, except for Dusty.

I think they all finished top like eight in their best and first as well, except for Dusty.

That's not great. Yeah, so the air is quite simple. Will they be competitive?

That's not great. Yeah, so the air is quite simple. Will they be competitive?

Oh that's just an easy year? Nah, no way. I think you've got a very low amount of wins.

Oh that's just an easy year? Nah, no way. I think you've got a very low amount of wins.

But they I think the first half of the year they'll be cooked because their players are injured. You've got so many young guys second half of the year. I think they can be a little bit competitive, but most of the season.

But they I think the first half of the year they'll be cooked because their players are injured. You've got so many young guys second half of the year. I think they can be a little bit competitive, but most of the season.

Even their young dudes like Gibs coming over from a c LA, You've got Bolts suspended, Smiley's injured topcussion.

Even their young dudes like Gibs coming over from a c LA, You've got Bolts suspended, Smiley's injured topcussion.

It's crazy, and there's a bunch of the guys that did their a c LS like after round five that are not due back straight away.

It's crazy, and there's a bunch of the guys that did their a c LS like after round five that are not due back straight away.

Like they're bad.

Like they're bad.

Right, Yeah, he's the guy I was looking out for. Like, so I'm going to say to be cut you off. I'm going to say, nah, I don't think that. I think the entire idea is like they're going to go to this season and if they had those dudes who like give Kiss and Cod had played last year, but instead they're still recovering.

Right, Yeah, he's the guy I was looking out for. Like, so I'm going to say to be cut you off. I'm going to say, nah, I don't think that. I think the entire idea is like they're going to go to this season and if they had those dudes who like give Kiss and Cod had played last year, but instead they're still recovering.

They're basically rookies again.

They're basically rookies again.

They don't even have that next crop of young dudes who have gotten a year of just getting their heads kicked in under their belt that's still to come.

They don't even have that next crop of young dudes who have gotten a year of just getting their heads kicked in under their belt that's still to come.

And then all the older guys that have all that left that stuff.

And then all the older guys that have all that left that stuff.

So yeah, it's hard. Their best players. Nick lost him because he's going to see the most of the FOOTA just go oh god, it's coming here.

So yeah, it's hard. Their best players. Nick lost him because he's going to see the most of the FOOTA just go oh god, it's coming here.

That is not good of your best players. Nick Faston exactly playing.

That is not good of your best players. Nick Faston exactly playing.

He's played five games and it feels like three years.

He's played five games and it feels like three years.

So just say their best players like smile or Leil.

So just say their best players like smile or Leil.

Their most improved player, Tom Brown down back. I thought he was solid last year, so I look forward to seeing him. The rising stars layload. The cult hero is the draft picks that they're going to get at the end of the year. So they just go, this is great. They're going to be watching the Under eighteen Championship going that.

Their most improved player, Tom Brown down back. I thought he was solid last year, so I look forward to seeing him. The rising stars layload. The cult hero is the draft picks that they're going to get at the end of the year. So they just go, this is great. They're going to be watching the Under eighteen Championship going that.

Guy all about the future for the Times.

Guy all about the future for the Times.

So the big call, my big call for them is they will be as bad as the twenty thirteen Melbourne Demons who went two and twenty and out a percentage of fifty four.

So the big call, my big call for them is they will be as bad as the twenty thirteen Melbourne Demons who went two and twenty and out a percentage of fifty four.

Their two wins, we're against g WS and Gold Coast.

Their two wins, we're against g WS and Gold Coast.

I don't think that'll be that because that D's team was losing by like two hundred to multiple teams.

I don't think that'll be that because that D's team was losing by like two hundred to multiple teams.

I don't know.

I don't know.

That wasn't that year.

That wasn't that year.

That was a different time, but that was five or six twenty thirteen. Twenty thirteen was when the expansion started and the D's was still that bad.

That was a different time, but that was five or six twenty thirteen. Twenty thirteen was when the expansion started and the D's was still that bad.

Yeah, I don't think they'll be as bad, but they won't get the same matter wins. I have them winning one game they gonna they beat Sydney. Last year they significantly worse.

Yeah, I don't think they'll be as bad, but they won't get the same matter wins. I have them winning one game they gonna they beat Sydney. Last year they significantly worse.

Now, that was the one game Tom Lynch played all year. Dusty was all right and Shy Bolton played well.

Now, that was the one game Tom Lynch played all year. Dusty was all right and Shy Bolton played well.

They're over under Last year was nine and a half.

They're over under Last year was nine and a half.

They won two and I said it was the biggest certainty of the year to be under it and they had good players.

They won two and I said it was the biggest certainty of the year to be under it and they had good players.

I'm going under as well.

I'm going under as well.

So they played twice with just quickly touching it Sint Kilda, Gold Coast, West Coast, North Melbourne, Essen and Geelong their first four games counting of the mcg obviously a way to Port Adelaie Adelaide, Sin Kilda at Marvel and Brisbane at the mcgile.