Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I heard radio podcast. All right, guys, this is your post Christmas podcast. Um, Katherine and I are here, and we are pumped because who are we talking to today? Catherine? Emma Hernan. I'm so excited. She's on Selling Sunset, one of my favorite shows. I just bingeed it last weekend. I'm so excited to talk to her because I'm a little backed up. But um, she's actually on right now, so we're gonna go a little out of order. Um, so let's talk to her and let's get her on. Hey, Emma, Hi, how are you good? How are you? Ben? Really good? So? I know, Um, so you're you just had your first season on Selling Sunset? So were you? Because I didn't, I unfortunate? Did you Did you watch it? I did, because I have not caught up like I've been, Like, so I was. So I'm so back with all my shows because of like holidays and kids and stuff. But like so, I'm like so excited to meet your character. But what did you get from Emma? Well, I just binged it and it was great. I know. I do I want all of I want all of it. Yeah, Well, I don't know. I don't even know where to begin because there's mean so nice Okay, so she's involved drama. She's involved in drama, right, yes, So who's who's nicer, Krishal or Emma because it doesn't like the nice one. Like that's how I've always like perceived her. Yeah, but they're different, They're they're different. Are you all friends on the show? Yeah? My girl? So I love her? Okay, yeah, no, I love both of them. Y'all are my two favorite. Don't anybody else, um, don't worry. Just a couple hundred thousand people. Okay, So I guess where do we even start? So just to kind of catch you up, there's drama with her and Christine Christine right, yeah, I feel like she has drama with everybody, right. But that's what I don't understand too, because I will say, I know that they have to have that character on a show. I get it, But at the same time, like I just feel like she's you can still be nice, do you know what I mean? Like, I just feel like she doesn't care about anyone, has like no empathy. That's like what I got from her, Like she just doesn't have empathy or care about other people's feelings. Am I off on that? Or no, oh no, you're pretty dead on okay. I mean I tell it like it is, so I keep it one hundred. But yeah, I just don't understand what do you think it is? Like? Is it like a childhood trauma or is it like, hey, just like she just wants to win and doesn't care who she stomps on like to get there. It could be both. I really don't know the reasoning behind it. I don't understand it at all. And I mean, it's one thing to be like kind of okay, make it a little bitchy remarks and stuff like that. It's another thing to take it to the level that she takes it. You know. That's how I feel. All the girls feel the same, you know, I think every single person feels the exact same. Why But do you think that producers are like keep going like cause the drama, because like, you're not going to have a show without any drama. I get that for short, And I think producers, of course they need, you know, kind of the billing character, but she does the work on your own. They're not like, I mean, she takes it to the next level, to the point where they're like, did that just happen? You know? I mean it makes for great TV for sure, but this is actually a real live so we have to deal with with this, you know. So that's unfortunate, right, What what's been the most hurtful thing that you're kind of like that's like stayed with you from Christine? Well, you know for years. You know, I had to deal with I mother. She's banging on my windows. I mean you obviously know the story, but you know, banging on my windows and d NS, I mean driving by peper class, beeping the horn, almost hitting my friend. I mean, it's still a level where you know it's it's not head but why oh we have we share mutual acts, Okay, is my best friend and I share like well, it is very similar situation. However, she's basically they're telling two different stories. I'm not going to outright say, but they are basically telling two different who who had him first? She dated him before me? So are you saying like that you were like the mistress that came in. No, I mean they had been broken up, she wasn't taking the break up well, and she knew about a girl that he was seeing right before me. You know, I didn't know about any of the girls, so he should have shared that with me, for sure. Guys will be guys. Don't agree with their behavior. Guys, you guys. But you know, unfortunately, she's the type of person where takes it out on the girl that had no idea about her, you know what I mean. But they weren't together anyways, it was irrelevant, she says that they were together. Yeah, of course, I mean, none of her fact. Oh she made up a full loan engage that never copped. What does he say to it? Are you still together? No, we're not still together, but we're friendly and we're he's still friends and like basically everyone he's best friend. Oh my god, you guys broke up? Was it like because he did something bad or No, honestly, we didn't break up because he's cheating or anything like that. We just honestly wanted different things at the time. You know, I'm super family oriented and loved kids and stuff like that, So it was more of like, I don't know if our like futures a line, but we're still totally fine. We have to do business together and we're fine friends. So right, But yeah, also really interesting, So she had had a baby? Who did Christine with? Who? Her husband? She's married? I don't know, she's I don't remember her. I don't really either. Um, but she's like two weeks after having a baby full glam had just had a c section, but does not look like she had a baby. It's I mean, it's so do you think she like had a surrogate? I don't know. There's a lot of there's a lot of kins talk out there, but I mean, it's it's pretty unbelievable. I will say, Okay, I'm gonna play Devil's advocate just because people were so mean when a post baby for me, They're like, oh, you look And I'm like, am I supposed to be ashamed that I look good two weeks after having a baby? Yeah? I mean, I think the whole one way or the others. I'm not trying to say that you're wrong, and I'm not necessarily mom shaming. I mean, she's she's a skinny. I know you're not. I'm just it was, by the way, we're best friend. I love that my best friend. I love it. Anyway, I just saw a lot of talk about that. It's been interesting to watch because people are like whoa, she just had a baby. But anyway, yes, you did get crap for that too. You're right, so I'll back off. I'm just saying, Okay. The only thing that like, I kind of want to that I'm still stuck on is the fact that she was because here's the deal. I like kind of said about someone that I was dating, and I found out that it was a girl that he had been with. And it's like, when someone is done with a relationship, why do you feel like you have to go to the girl and then like say these things about the guy you know to be like and I'm just kind of like, you like, is it a jealousy thing? Is it just like because you're not They're like, we're warning you, and I'm like, well, then give me evidence of that. I don't please. I welcome it. I've always welcomed it. I'm not going to be a dumb naive girl. I like, I welcome anything that you want to bring to me. But they're just like, oh, you were so insecure for not you know, And I was like, no, I'm just smart because I'm asking for physical proof something. No. I mean, yeah, I mean. The unfortunate thing is is you know, this was a relationship, first of all, for that was five years ago. So why more than so, why you're married with a baby. Why is this still even an issue or something that you're concerned about? That's my Have you asked her that? Uh, you don't. It's one of interaction. You see the interaction you guys get to see the interaction we have on camera. Than that, I have the only need to be around somebody like that. Work could not be more polar opposite, like completely different ends of the spectrum. So which you know why because we were talking a few episodes ago where it's like at our age, I don't know how old you are, but it's like at our age, it's like nourished nurture. I guess the relationships that you know are the most important too, and the other ones like don't don't let the drama and the chaos and all the other stuff come in because it's not like why you know, there's there's literally no point. Fine, make a TV about it. But then also like one day to be like you know what, like she's obviously jealous, but also at the same time, it's it happened a long time ago. You she's obviously moved on your Where are you dating again? I'm dating again. I'm single, but I'm dating again. Dating so hard. Oh, it's a fol it's a job. Honestly, I'm taking a break. G it's a job, but it's so freaking hard. I was just like, because I've because you have to just like you know, when you start hearing about people's past and like then you have to explain yours, and it's just like, oh my god, Like it's just like seeing what you can deal with and what you can't do with with the next person, because like everyone's going to have Like that's why my girlfriend, she's like, Janet, You're not going to find a unicorn who has never been married, who doesn't have trauma, who doesn't have you know, maybe has never cheated before, because I have like a big thing with you know, because my ex had cheated on me. So it's like now I'm like, well, I kind of like a guy that hasn't cheated before. But I'm like, is that even possible? I don't even know. I don't know, And they say that they haven't, but really they have, you know, they're just not caught in that moment that I'm coming to get away. That's no. I've never cheated. I've never looked at another girl when I've been dating someone and I think that they're Yeah, and I do think that there are good guys out there like your husband. I don't think you would ever freaking cheat ever. But I'm just saying like, at like, you know, thirty eight years old, it's like, I'm not going to meet this like he's probably going to be divorced and there's gonna be a reason that he was maybe like him and his wife had issues because he was not while at communicating or whatever. Well, that's also dating at thirty eight years old. I know there's a big difference. There's a big difference than when we got married. Something. You could also find a really great guy that like the wife was a little nuts, because like, come on, let's be girls are clearly nuts. We all saw its. Sorry, I mean girls can be nuts too, and then you know, maybe topic guys. No, it's true, I know, are you and Riya? Yes, I went on there a few months ago and I was just like, it's so crazy because there's so many guys in l A that I knew because I still have in l A for like ten plus years and it's the same guys. They're still there and like the same guys are going to be just I know. I was just like, oh god, I can't do this. I just can't like it, went on a date with him, don't like, but he's on there, okay, right, Um we brought up the kid point and I think, how old are you? By the way? Okay, And because I'm friendly with Krishell and um, we've had her on the podcast when she was actually married to Justin and then I had her you know, we've talked since, um, like the Kio split, and I first of all, I loved how did you hear? Damn? I mean her DM but her message her in feet about like you know, it was so yeah, it was like so beautifully said, but it was also like to what I made what like I made up with that was that like he didn't want kids and she did. That's what I'm thinking, and you know, kind of to your point too. I don't know if that was the same situation why you why you and your ex broke up? But it's like I'm I'm proud of her for not saying in something that like I didn't serve her and that like that's not what she wants to obviously to have kids. I don't know. Again, I'm just making this up, So no, no, for sure, you know, I feel like she's very open and honest about that, and you know, they we do love and pack each other, like I mean, I wish that I have a relationship put end that way, you know what I mean. But of course it's heartbreaking because it's hard, Like, you know, there's not a ton wrong with the relationship. There's just people want different things, which is crazy to think about it, but it actually does happen, you know, yeah, well, and especially with them working together, like thank goodness that it ended. I mean, I would imagine they probably can you know, go forward in a working relationship and be you know, okay, thank you. Yeah. And I remember like someone was like, oh, this is just for publicity for the show, and I'm like, Krishell, like her heart and like how she looks. I don't think it's for I didn't think it was play out on the show. Yeah, so but maybe like people are gonna want to watch it now to see how But I don't. I don't, like I didn't. I didn't. I was like, I don't think Krishell would ever do that? Truly, you would never do that. I mean wears her heart and her sleep. She's like one of my favorite people in the entire world. She would never do anything for publicity. I mean they had the most special relationship in the entire world. They were genuinely in love, you know, and for them to open up about it, you know, proved how much they really cared about each other. You know. Question for you, would you be friends with your ex's girlfriend? Kind of like how like Christine so how she was being to you know, to you, would you be friends with When your ex gets a new girlfriend? Would you be friends with her? I feel like I would be. I'm not a jealous person. I'm a super sweet, like caring person, and I feel like, honestly, I would really have a problem with it as long as you know, things ended somewhat sadly. Obviously even think that they're never like, oh my god, super great. But at the same time, if it wasn't something that that you know, my family was affected by or something like that, then yeah, I mean I would be friends or whoever. Keep So That's why I'm like, if I didn't dislike my ex so much, i'd be like, I want you in my extant date. But like, I'm just saying, like you would like your ex to be with someone someone who I like and like who I can like be like girl, like I get let's go get a drink of wine. Glass of wine. The problem is is if you like them and you don't want them to be with your ex. No, But because I you know, I think people like I hope that people can like change and stuff. But you know, and and again, I think people are different versions of themselves with like like I am a totally different version than I was with and I'm going to be a different version in my next relationship because you know, I won't have all this resentment and hate and you know whatever. So I mean it would be nice because I'm like, Okay, I'm like, I wish I could just like there should be a show where the ex wife gets to pick the new wife. I think that's great because it's like they're gonna be around my kids, you know what I mean. So I'm like, I want to be the one to pick and be like, Okay, this girl is mature, she's beautiful, she's fun. The kids love her, Like like I think it's a great idea. Yeah, and I get to pick like three girls that he can choose from. Yeah exactly, I mean he could pick Curry, but there's three that that have been approved. I mean, I'm here. I always think it's so fun when like the Axes do stuff together with the kids. I'm like, wow, Like if that happens to me, I hope that I can be friends with my ex and whoever he ended up work, especially if you're kid. Well, you know, the funny thing is that I don't want be friends with him, and when we'll be friends with his wife? Yeah, yeah, like literally just eventually sell. I don't know, we'll see. But I do think it's interesting that you said you're different. You're a different version of yourself in every relationship. And I do think that for sure, because I meant that I was with I'm such a different person, and I was such a different person in my next relationship then I was with him, because you just you grow, you know, with each relationship, you learn, you grow you you know, Yeah, and and and whatever they do, however they affect you or you affect them in a relationship, you guys are going to like have a different chemistry yeah, for sure. So are you excited to have like a new storyline on the show like this to not be about God? Yea. I knew that I was going to have to address it, of course, because you know, I had to deal with a lot of like the harassing for years, so there was so many things I had to be addressed on the show. Sure, but it took away a little bit from who I am the person and I have a huge heart, and you got you got to see less of that. And you know, obviously I've been really successful on my own and it's hard as a woman who would to approve yourself. So I feel like that storyline overshadowed who I actually am, and I didn't love that I have to be So who are you then? I mean, I feel like, you know, I'm super family oriented. Boston will always be my heart, like my mom is my best friend in the entire world, and you know, I've worked really hard to get where I am. It wasn't easy. I've been laughed out of so many meetings because they thought I was somebody's girlfriend and they thought, oh literally, I was told I was walked into the wrong meeting because it was an investor meeting and I was the only female in there, and obviously, you know what I mean that they judged me I kind of present based off my look. They laughed me out of beating noble I had. So I've had to prove myself so many times, and I think that, you know, you really don't get to see that as much in season four five. I do think you get to see a little bit more of who I am. You know, my family comes on, so my mom no good, Yeah, because I'm excited to see more about that. You can tell you have a lot more to you and that you were trying to be respectful. You're actually handled everything really well. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see more of your storyline and kind of see more about you versus Christine kind of over her story Yeah, Like it's like like why have the same It's like no one wants to see the same character arc. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's kind of addressing all of her friendship fallouts, you know, I mean it kind of goes there and then she kind of actually kind of makes you feel bad for her a little bit towards the end. I mean, yes, it's because she gets upset like all of her friends have left her kind of things, so you know, Um, but again I just think that strategic plan of course, yeah that comes off. But yeah, yeah, I know for sure. But yeah, no, I'm excited to see more of your story, for sure. I think you've got a lot to give to the show. Um, is there someone that you have like a kind of crush on, like actor, athlete? Like what what do you what do you usually go for? I feel like athletes are trouble so yeah, okay, so my act as an athlete and I just feel like they're so used to getting everything that they want and they have that mentality it's like they have to go out and basically win at whatever. So you know, propably, I would not date an athlete. I feel like I'm more attracted to like nerdy businessmen than athletes. But back in the day, like when I was in my early twenties, for sure, every athlete I was like, you know, you get excited, But yeah, no, I think like I don't have a specific person, but I feel like I like more like businessmen and people that I can you know, connect with on an intelligence level too. You know, athletes aren't usually all there either. Did you see the CEO of Riya on on there. He's kind of cute. He's a businessman. The CEO of Ryo is on Ria. Yeah, I mean has It's like it's like Tom on Facebook or single. My Space's tom Space, Thomas my Space. I mean, I think if he's on right, he's single because it's like as asking right, I mean, is he doesn't look nerd ever? Think I remember, I think, I think, I'm really Oh he's cute. He hurt me back? What's it? What's a deal breaker in a relationship? Do you have any Definitely someone who doesn't want kids. That's like number one obviously loyalty. I'm a really big communicator too, so it would be hard for me to be with somebody that's not good at communicating. I over communicate, I overshare because I think it's so important and guys are so bad at that. You know, both of my accents like they just literally like I feel like it was so hard for them, was like drawing blood to try and get them to talk and communicate how they're feeling and stuff like that. So I would love to be with somebody that wanted kids the same way I do. And you know that's good at communicating. I feel like that's the neatest success men in communication just nick communicate. Well, yes, and now I feel like men just shut down. Yeah he's an emotional guy, but yeah, he also will just shut down to It's kind of yeah, kind of both but just kind of shut down. And they're just like, Okay, if I'll give her space instead of communicating that maybe we'll just we'll be good in like a day or two. But it's like we're not going to ever be good because it's just everything's gonna pile up, you know, if you don't communicate. And then we want them to read our minds because what we really want is for them to come in and say, like is that when we say we bust the A alone, we really want them like flat, Yeah, when I say I'm on space, I don't want space. Yeah you were supposed to like listen to me, but take that and do something completely different. Did you not know that? Duh? Duh? Like yeah, that's always I'm like, when I say I want space, it actually means like I don't at all. I will say though I don't know, I would you say you do? Yeah? Most women don't meet that. Yeah, I had I think I had a little bit too inch wined to be honest with you, but I had I was having it something with someone and it was actually the guy wanted to communicate, and I was just like, you know what, I want to go to bed, and it was just like but and then I was so mad at myself in the morning because I was like, dang it, Like I always preach that I'm such a good communicator, and then like the guy was actually trying, and then I was just so like stubborn. I feel like, I don't know, maybe I'm just you could blame that on the wine one random wine night, you know, sometimes you know, just you just just I don't know. Um when you got When did you get asked to do selling Sunset? Um? I guess it was probably the fall of two thousand twenty. Yeah, and then I found out in January, but we didn't start filming until May. But yeah, I mean it's definitely something that I had to consider because, you know, I putting yourself out there for the world to see. Especially I'm a super private person. So like when I was engaged and stuff like that, all my close friends and family and everyone knew, but I didn't post about it. I've always been very protective of my family, my relationships, even like what I did. Not everyone knew what I did except people that were close to me. So putting my life out there for the world to see and judge was something that I went back and forth with, you know, a decent amount. It wasn't a quick easy decision. Do you get haters or because I don't ever feel like anyone could ever hate on you. I feel like, um, honestly, a really small amount. And I thought that I was going to get more. I honestly thought that I was going to get way more than I did, just because you know, you're so sweet, like you're nice. Certain people have fans and stuff like that. So I wasn't sure how that was going to go. But I think, I mean, when you finished the season, you know, but like obviously everything I say is the truth and whatever. Definitely how you handled it, for sure, Yeah, and people, But I was very concerned that I was going to get a lot of hate. And the girls were warning me, like, you know, just take it with a grain of salt, don't read the comments. They're gonna say a million things about you. I mean, of course, I see things here and there that it's like, oh my god, you're so ugly and things like that, and it's like, okay, like brush that off, you know what I mean, because every pa that's not true. But you know, I have to say I'm thankful for the amount of messages that's been like you're so inspiring to me. You know, someone was saying that they were having they were kind of a little bit depressed and sitting in their house and and now they went out and started some candle company that she was always dreaming about doing. So I can inspire some people a majority of people, That's why I did it. You know that. So did you like automatically get like a ton of new business? I always wonder that when you're selling, when you're doing real estate on a show, and then all of a sudden, you know, you become celebrities, Like how does that even work? Business wise? That's got to be kind of tricky. I'm definitely getting more a little bit more reach outs and stuff like that. But I had such a great network already coming onto the show, because you know the relationships that I made. I have a food company, um I partnered with Beyond Me, so meeting all of these like high profile CEOs and stuff like that. They you know, meet me and obviously had a lot of respect for what I've done and what I'm doing, and so then when they're going to buy a house, they're now coming to me. So I did already have a really great group of clients and clientile um. The only thing now a little bit more people reach out. But I'd say, you know, are they even you know, can they even buy a you know, their sentences aren't even adding up. So I'm like, we weighed that out though, I have a team that goes through everything. Now, Okay, I've wondered how that works. I'm like, because this can I'm sure you're getting a ton of stuff that's not even legitimate. But yeah, well, um, thank you for coming on the show. You're an absolute sweetheart, and if you're ever in Nashville, please come have a glass wine with us. I definitely are awesome. You and Chris I'll should come. We will definitely come, and even if we have the gossip wine, I'll still make you communicate after perfect. Oh my god, she is a sweetheart. I want to be friends with her. Can she be our friend? Katherine? Please be our friend? Please be our friend. UM, let's take a break and then we'll be back. UM. I don't remember if I've ever spoke on this on the show. I'm sure I have because of what I've said mostly everything on the show. UM, I mean obviously you know, but that I cry every New Year's it's not funny, No, it's not not No, I cry every single freaking Year's. I don't know what it is. And I was I thought I was kind of alone in that until I talked to a girlfriend of mine and I was like, man, I've got like a little bit of confession. I don't think I've told you this, and I was like, I just I make it in my mind New Year's Eve has to be this like amazing feeling moment, and I make it be something that's like I don't know, I just make it something more. My expectation is it's like huge. And normally I'm either like last New Year's like, well the last two Mike and I were fighting, um, and I'm always like good a sign like it's for some reason, however, that that New Year's Night is it's like how I feel like the New Year is going to be. That's so interesting because New Year's to me is like nothing. Why like not even remotely close to special? Oh my god, Like tell me more why I don't know how boring is New Year's. I don't I don't like to go out like noth thing too. I don't want to be with anybody that I don't know. Like I was telling you this person, I was like, here's here's here's what you need to know about me. Cry expectation, Well, I was seriously, I was like, I cry every year. I don't want to. Um, I have to see the ball drop. If I don't see the ball drop, it is it is over? Is over? Like I have to watch the ball drop. I guess I just assumed it was kind of situational on New Year's, But now I see, Like, so, what is your expectation? What would be the perfect New Year's? I said, I want just you know, with my person or loan whatever, drinking wine, watching the ball drop, like with my closest friends. If it's just you and wine and the ball drop, you're going to cry. Of course, we're doing a game night, I thought. But I need to have that, like, you know, like with my friends or whatever, and just like have that like moment of like, I'm with you, we got this. It's gonna be a great year. Maybe what we're usually together on New Years, aren't we? Or do we have to cancel it the last the last two weeks to cancel to the mic, Hm, I'm not just pubbed into but I'm sorry that. Yes, I know that that is a big one for you. Um so how can I meet your expectations? I want to play games and I want to watch the ball drop. Okay, Eastern time, Central time, doesn't matter. When do we see the ball drop? I think it needs to be live to like Nashville. I don't want to watch the I don't want to watch the No, not that, not that one. I want to watch New York, not Nashville. I want to watch New York. Okay, so that's Eastern No, but but it has to be on Central time. Okay, we'll watch the play. Yeah, it's the replay. It's like you know, um yeah, I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know if it's like I think, I'm just like I go to this place where I'm like however it I feel then is how is going to be? Do you think you're going to have a hard time because you won't be with the kids. Absolutely, I mean it's already hard not having them right now. I don't know if it would be for New Year's because it's like the kids are kind of already in bed anyway kind of thing. I don't know, like the kids already in bed whatever. But like the fact that I don't get to wake up to them New Year's Day and be like Happy New Year and like do the little party, Like it's just like that's a bummer. But you know what'll be good next year? Yeah, next year, and you'll see that how great you did this year. I'm gonna do great. So I'm going into two strong and dependant, don't need in someone in the room cheers in with Although it would be fun, it would be nice. I don't need it, don't need it, don't need it. But it's like, you know, as my friends, Christmas isn't canceled, neither is New Year's Just you, right, I don't know, I don't know, but I guess I'm not the only person that feels that way. Like there's just like this expectation and this like it always has felt like I remember when I was in l a at a club and I was dating John Julius Julius husband and who's my best friend? Let me just say that details. Um, and I just remember being at this club and just being like, this is the worst. I don't want to be with people that I don't know. That's a nightmare for me. Yeah, thank you, and then getting dressed up and being it's just not my thing. Now you did you dressed up for Pam's party. That was your one time dressed I love I got like a forty seven percent on that pole. By the way, that's true. Up to that said that you were the one that made they wanted to dress up. Shocking. Um. Yeah. The people that go to bed. I mean last year when we went to bed when we were fighting, like it was just like I'm like, how can people go to bed? I usually try to wait up and see the ball, but it is. It is literally one of my least important holidays. I don't even see it as a holiday. It's just not I'm like, it's just another day. Wow. Marj January one, What are you going into the new year wanting? I'm not going to say like news resolution. I hate that word. I hate it. What are you hoping to grow in in um do in personally. I think, just work on myself, just like, yeah, continue therapy, start working out because I don't do it well. And here's a question, how can I support you in that? Because I want to be like, hey, like come work out, you know you're so great. I have to be in the mindset yeah, or I'm just not going to do it. So I'm hoping and praying as I'm working on myself and my mental that I'll start wanting to work on physical as well. So losing some weight working out, which is like everyone's I understand, But I think just all around self care mhm for the year, not just the beginning of January. Maybe come up with the goal every month. I wonder where you get. I like it. Yes, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do something every month that challenges me, helps me grow spiritually, mentally, physically, and kind of journal it you know. Ye I'm kind of on the phone. I journal a lot on my phone. But yeah, I just think that's like I like the monthly. I don't know. I've read this book a long time called The Happiness Project, and they basically say, like every month should be a resolution. So but again instead of resolution, change it to like you know something that like challenges you, helps you grow, inspires you. Whether it's just like I took a bath this month and that was like a total self care moment, you know something. How are you feeling about going into two? Are you feeling like confident that's going to be a good year? Are you hesitant? Are you anxious? How do you feel? I feel excited? I mean this year through me for a loop. I mean it was it was I survived and anything that I know that sounds kind of like dramatic, but like I thought the divorce was gonna kill me, like like it just I thought I could, like because of my anxiety, I thought I can never Literally why didn't leave for so many years Because I thought I could not do it alone. I didn't think I could have the kids alone. I didn't think I could my anxiety could do it alone. I didn't think I could just function without him. And this year taught me that I could. And so next year, I'm just excited to like continue to be stronger and know that when I you know, continue on a relationship or don't or if it ends like it's not going to kill me. It will not break me. It's just another little learning experience. And because I'm like I already like I've been broken to the to the to the most I could ever be broken. Right, I lost my family, but I gained my new family, you know, like yeah, and you've proven to yourself that you can do it. You can do it you and the kids. Yeah, So I'm like anything like That's why it's like it'll be easy for me. Like if something isn't suiting me, I'd like all right bye, Like I'm like, I'm good, I can do this. I don't I don't need to settle. And so I think like going in twenty two just being like boss mode, not side helping others and just like feeling light and chasing joy, chasing joy. I love it. Um. I hope you all had a merry Christmas, and I hope you have the most amazing New Year's and um, talk to you next year.

Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I heard radio podcast. All right, guys, this is your post Christmas podcast. Um, Katherine and I are here, and we are pumped because who are we talking to today? Catherine? Emma Hernan. I'm so excited. She's on Selling Sunset, one of my favorite shows. I just bingeed it last weekend. I'm so excited to talk to her because I'm a little backed up. But um, she's actually on right now, so we're gonna go a little out of order. Um, so let's talk to her and let's get her on. Hey, Emma, Hi, how are you good? How are you? Ben? Really good? So? I know, Um, so you're you just had your first season on Selling Sunset? So were you? Because I didn't, I unfortunate? Did you Did you watch it? I did, because I have not caught up like I've been, Like, so I was. So I'm so back with all my shows because of like holidays and kids and stuff. But like so, I'm like so excited to meet your character. But what did you get from Emma? Well, I just binged it and it was great. I know. I do I want all of I want all of it. Yeah, Well, I don't know. I don't even know where to begin because there's mean so nice Okay, so she's involved drama. She's involved in drama, right, yes, So who's who's nicer, Krishal or Emma because it doesn't like the nice one. Like that's how I've always like perceived her. Yeah, but they're different, They're they're different. Are you all friends on the show? Yeah? My girl? So I love her? Okay, yeah, no, I love both of them. Y'all are my two favorite. Don't anybody else, um, don't worry. Just a couple hundred thousand people. Okay, So I guess where do we even start? So just to kind of catch you up, there's drama with her and Christine Christine right, yeah, I feel like she has drama with everybody, right. But that's what I don't understand too, because I will say, I know that they have to have that character on a show. I get it, But at the same time, like I just feel like she's you can still be nice, do you know what I mean? Like, I just feel like she doesn't care about anyone, has like no empathy. That's like what I got from her, Like she just doesn't have empathy or care about other people's feelings. Am I off on that? Or no, oh no, you're pretty dead on okay. I mean I tell it like it is, so I keep it one hundred. But yeah, I just don't understand what do you think it is? Like? Is it like a childhood trauma or is it like, hey, just like she just wants to win and doesn't care who she stomps on like to get there. It could be both. I really don't know the reasoning behind it. I don't understand it at all. And I mean, it's one thing to be like kind of okay, make it a little bitchy remarks and stuff like that. It's another thing to take it to the level that she takes it. You know. That's how I feel. All the girls feel the same, you know, I think every single person feels the exact same. Why But do you think that producers are like keep going like cause the drama, because like, you're not going to have a show without any drama. I get that for short, And I think producers, of course they need, you know, kind of the billing character, but she does the work on your own. They're not like, I mean, she takes it to the next level, to the point where they're like, did that just happen? You know? I mean it makes for great TV for sure, but this is actually a real live so we have to deal with with this, you know. So that's unfortunate, right, What what's been the most hurtful thing that you're kind of like that's like stayed with you from Christine? Well, you know for years. You know, I had to deal with I mother. She's banging on my windows. I mean you obviously know the story, but you know, banging on my windows and d NS, I mean driving by peper class, beeping the horn, almost hitting my friend. I mean, it's still a level where you know it's it's not head but why oh we have we share mutual acts, Okay, is my best friend and I share like well, it is very similar situation. However, she's basically they're telling two different stories. I'm not going to outright say, but they are basically telling two different who who had him first? She dated him before me? So are you saying like that you were like the mistress that came in. No, I mean they had been broken up, she wasn't taking the break up well, and she knew about a girl that he was seeing right before me. You know, I didn't know about any of the girls, so he should have shared that with me, for sure. Guys will be guys. Don't agree with their behavior. Guys, you guys. But you know, unfortunately, she's the type of person where takes it out on the girl that had no idea about her, you know what I mean. But they weren't together anyways, it was irrelevant, she says that they were together. Yeah, of course, I mean, none of her fact. Oh she made up a full loan engage that never copped. What does he say to it? Are you still together? No, we're not still together, but we're friendly and we're he's still friends and like basically everyone he's best friend. Oh my god, you guys broke up? Was it like because he did something bad or No, honestly, we didn't break up because he's cheating or anything like that. We just honestly wanted different things at the time. You know, I'm super family oriented and loved kids and stuff like that, So it was more of like, I don't know if our like futures a line, but we're still totally fine. We have to do business together and we're fine friends. So right, But yeah, also really interesting, So she had had a baby? Who did Christine with? Who? Her husband? She's married? I don't know, she's I don't remember her. I don't really either. Um, but she's like two weeks after having a baby full glam had just had a c section, but does not look like she had a baby. It's I mean, it's so do you think she like had a surrogate? I don't know. There's a lot of there's a lot of kins talk out there, but I mean, it's it's pretty unbelievable. I will say, Okay, I'm gonna play Devil's advocate just because people were so mean when a post baby for me, They're like, oh, you look And I'm like, am I supposed to be ashamed that I look good two weeks after having a baby? Yeah? I mean, I think the whole one way or the others. I'm not trying to say that you're wrong, and I'm not necessarily mom shaming. I mean, she's she's a skinny. I know you're not. I'm just it was, by the way, we're best friend. I love that my best friend. I love it. Anyway, I just saw a lot of talk about that. It's been interesting to watch because people are like whoa, she just had a baby. But anyway, yes, you did get crap for that too. You're right, so I'll back off. I'm just saying, Okay. The only thing that like, I kind of want to that I'm still stuck on is the fact that she was because here's the deal. I like kind of said about someone that I was dating, and I found out that it was a girl that he had been with. And it's like, when someone is done with a relationship, why do you feel like you have to go to the girl and then like say these things about the guy you know to be like and I'm just kind of like, you like, is it a jealousy thing? Is it just like because you're not They're like, we're warning you, and I'm like, well, then give me evidence of that. I don't please. I welcome it. I've always welcomed it. I'm not going to be a dumb naive girl. I like, I welcome anything that you want to bring to me. But they're just like, oh, you were so insecure for not you know, And I was like, no, I'm just smart because I'm asking for physical proof something. No. I mean, yeah, I mean. The unfortunate thing is is you know, this was a relationship, first of all, for that was five years ago. So why more than so, why you're married with a baby. Why is this still even an issue or something that you're concerned about? That's my Have you asked her that? Uh, you don't. It's one of interaction. You see the interaction you guys get to see the interaction we have on camera. Than that, I have the only need to be around somebody like that. Work could not be more polar opposite, like completely different ends of the spectrum. So which you know why because we were talking a few episodes ago where it's like at our age, I don't know how old you are, but it's like at our age, it's like nourished nurture. I guess the relationships that you know are the most important too, and the other ones like don't don't let the drama and the chaos and all the other stuff come in because it's not like why you know, there's there's literally no point. Fine, make a TV about it. But then also like one day to be like you know what, like she's obviously jealous, but also at the same time, it's it happened a long time ago. You she's obviously moved on your Where are you dating again? I'm dating again. I'm single, but I'm dating again. Dating so hard. Oh, it's a fol it's a job. Honestly, I'm taking a break. G it's a job, but it's so freaking hard. I was just like, because I've because you have to just like you know, when you start hearing about people's past and like then you have to explain yours, and it's just like, oh my god, Like it's just like seeing what you can deal with and what you can't do with with the next person, because like everyone's going to have Like that's why my girlfriend, she's like, Janet, You're not going to find a unicorn who has never been married, who doesn't have trauma, who doesn't have you know, maybe has never cheated before, because I have like a big thing with you know, because my ex had cheated on me. So it's like now I'm like, well, I kind of like a guy that hasn't cheated before. But I'm like, is that even possible? I don't even know. I don't know, And they say that they haven't, but really they have, you know, they're just not caught in that moment that I'm coming to get away. That's no. I've never cheated. I've never looked at another girl when I've been dating someone and I think that they're Yeah, and I do think that there are good guys out there like your husband. I don't think you would ever freaking cheat ever. But I'm just saying like, at like, you know, thirty eight years old, it's like, I'm not going to meet this like he's probably going to be divorced and there's gonna be a reason that he was maybe like him and his wife had issues because he was not while at communicating or whatever. Well, that's also dating at thirty eight years old. I know there's a big difference. There's a big difference than when we got married. Something. You could also find a really great guy that like the wife was a little nuts, because like, come on, let's be girls are clearly nuts. We all saw its. Sorry, I mean girls can be nuts too, and then you know, maybe topic guys. No, it's true, I know, are you and Riya? Yes, I went on there a few months ago and I was just like, it's so crazy because there's so many guys in l A that I knew because I still have in l A for like ten plus years and it's the same guys. They're still there and like the same guys are going to be just I know. I was just like, oh god, I can't do this. I just can't like it, went on a date with him, don't like, but he's on there, okay, right, Um we brought up the kid point and I think, how old are you? By the way? Okay, And because I'm friendly with Krishell and um, we've had her on the podcast when she was actually married to Justin and then I had her you know, we've talked since, um, like the Kio split, and I first of all, I loved how did you hear? Damn? I mean her DM but her message her in feet about like you know, it was so yeah, it was like so beautifully said, but it was also like to what I made what like I made up with that was that like he didn't want kids and she did. That's what I'm thinking, and you know, kind of to your point too. I don't know if that was the same situation why you why you and your ex broke up? But it's like I'm I'm proud of her for not saying in something that like I didn't serve her and that like that's not what she wants to obviously to have kids. I don't know. Again, I'm just making this up, So no, no, for sure, you know, I feel like she's very open and honest about that, and you know, they we do love and pack each other, like I mean, I wish that I have a relationship put end that way, you know what I mean. But of course it's heartbreaking because it's hard, Like, you know, there's not a ton wrong with the relationship. There's just people want different things, which is crazy to think about it, but it actually does happen, you know, yeah, well, and especially with them working together, like thank goodness that it ended. I mean, I would imagine they probably can you know, go forward in a working relationship and be you know, okay, thank you. Yeah. And I remember like someone was like, oh, this is just for publicity for the show, and I'm like, Krishell, like her heart and like how she looks. I don't think it's for I didn't think it was play out on the show. Yeah, so but maybe like people are gonna want to watch it now to see how But I don't. I don't, like I didn't. I didn't. I was like, I don't think Krishell would ever do that? Truly, you would never do that. I mean wears her heart and her sleep. She's like one of my favorite people in the entire world. She would never do anything for publicity. I mean they had the most special relationship in the entire world. They were genuinely in love, you know, and for them to open up about it, you know, proved how much they really cared about each other. You know. Question for you, would you be friends with your ex's girlfriend? Kind of like how like Christine so how she was being to you know, to you, would you be friends with When your ex gets a new girlfriend? Would you be friends with her? I feel like I would be. I'm not a jealous person. I'm a super sweet, like caring person, and I feel like, honestly, I would really have a problem with it as long as you know, things ended somewhat sadly. Obviously even think that they're never like, oh my god, super great. But at the same time, if it wasn't something that that you know, my family was affected by or something like that, then yeah, I mean I would be friends or whoever. Keep So That's why I'm like, if I didn't dislike my ex so much, i'd be like, I want you in my extant date. But like, I'm just saying, like you would like your ex to be with someone someone who I like and like who I can like be like girl, like I get let's go get a drink of wine. Glass of wine. The problem is is if you like them and you don't want them to be with your ex. No, But because I you know, I think people like I hope that people can like change and stuff. But you know, and and again, I think people are different versions of themselves with like like I am a totally different version than I was with and I'm going to be a different version in my next relationship because you know, I won't have all this resentment and hate and you know whatever. So I mean it would be nice because I'm like, Okay, I'm like, I wish I could just like there should be a show where the ex wife gets to pick the new wife. I think that's great because it's like they're gonna be around my kids, you know what I mean. So I'm like, I want to be the one to pick and be like, Okay, this girl is mature, she's beautiful, she's fun. The kids love her, Like like I think it's a great idea. Yeah, and I get to pick like three girls that he can choose from. Yeah exactly, I mean he could pick Curry, but there's three that that have been approved. I mean, I'm here. I always think it's so fun when like the Axes do stuff together with the kids. I'm like, wow, Like if that happens to me, I hope that I can be friends with my ex and whoever he ended up work, especially if you're kid. Well, you know, the funny thing is that I don't want be friends with him, and when we'll be friends with his wife? Yeah, yeah, like literally just eventually sell. I don't know, we'll see. But I do think it's interesting that you said you're different. You're a different version of yourself in every relationship. And I do think that for sure, because I meant that I was with I'm such a different person, and I was such a different person in my next relationship then I was with him, because you just you grow, you know, with each relationship, you learn, you grow you you know, Yeah, and and and whatever they do, however they affect you or you affect them in a relationship, you guys are going to like have a different chemistry yeah, for sure. So are you excited to have like a new storyline on the show like this to not be about God? Yea. I knew that I was going to have to address it, of course, because you know, I had to deal with a lot of like the harassing for years, so there was so many things I had to be addressed on the show. Sure, but it took away a little bit from who I am the person and I have a huge heart, and you got you got to see less of that. And you know, obviously I've been really successful on my own and it's hard as a woman who would to approve yourself. So I feel like that storyline overshadowed who I actually am, and I didn't love that I have to be So who are you then? I mean, I feel like, you know, I'm super family oriented. Boston will always be my heart, like my mom is my best friend in the entire world, and you know, I've worked really hard to get where I am. It wasn't easy. I've been laughed out of so many meetings because they thought I was somebody's girlfriend and they thought, oh literally, I was told I was walked into the wrong meeting because it was an investor meeting and I was the only female in there, and obviously, you know what I mean that they judged me I kind of present based off my look. They laughed me out of beating noble I had. So I've had to prove myself so many times, and I think that, you know, you really don't get to see that as much in season four five. I do think you get to see a little bit more of who I am. You know, my family comes on, so my mom no good, Yeah, because I'm excited to see more about that. You can tell you have a lot more to you and that you were trying to be respectful. You're actually handled everything really well. Um, but yeah, I'm excited to see more of your storyline and kind of see more about you versus Christine kind of over her story Yeah, Like it's like like why have the same It's like no one wants to see the same character arc. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's kind of addressing all of her friendship fallouts, you know, I mean it kind of goes there and then she kind of actually kind of makes you feel bad for her a little bit towards the end. I mean, yes, it's because she gets upset like all of her friends have left her kind of things, so you know, Um, but again I just think that strategic plan of course, yeah that comes off. But yeah, yeah, I know for sure. But yeah, no, I'm excited to see more of your story, for sure. I think you've got a lot to give to the show. Um, is there someone that you have like a kind of crush on, like actor, athlete? Like what what do you what do you usually go for? I feel like athletes are trouble so yeah, okay, so my act as an athlete and I just feel like they're so used to getting everything that they want and they have that mentality it's like they have to go out and basically win at whatever. So you know, propably, I would not date an athlete. I feel like I'm more attracted to like nerdy businessmen than athletes. But back in the day, like when I was in my early twenties, for sure, every athlete I was like, you know, you get excited, But yeah, no, I think like I don't have a specific person, but I feel like I like more like businessmen and people that I can you know, connect with on an intelligence level too. You know, athletes aren't usually all there either. Did you see the CEO of Riya on on there. He's kind of cute. He's a businessman. The CEO of Ryo is on Ria. Yeah, I mean has It's like it's like Tom on Facebook or single. My Space's tom Space, Thomas my Space. I mean, I think if he's on right, he's single because it's like as asking right, I mean, is he doesn't look nerd ever? Think I remember, I think, I think, I'm really Oh he's cute. He hurt me back? What's it? What's a deal breaker in a relationship? Do you have any Definitely someone who doesn't want kids. That's like number one obviously loyalty. I'm a really big communicator too, so it would be hard for me to be with somebody that's not good at communicating. I over communicate, I overshare because I think it's so important and guys are so bad at that. You know, both of my accents like they just literally like I feel like it was so hard for them, was like drawing blood to try and get them to talk and communicate how they're feeling and stuff like that. So I would love to be with somebody that wanted kids the same way I do. And you know that's good at communicating. I feel like that's the neatest success men in communication just nick communicate. Well, yes, and now I feel like men just shut down. Yeah he's an emotional guy, but yeah, he also will just shut down to It's kind of yeah, kind of both but just kind of shut down. And they're just like, Okay, if I'll give her space instead of communicating that maybe we'll just we'll be good in like a day or two. But it's like we're not going to ever be good because it's just everything's gonna pile up, you know, if you don't communicate. And then we want them to read our minds because what we really want is for them to come in and say, like is that when we say we bust the A alone, we really want them like flat, Yeah, when I say I'm on space, I don't want space. Yeah you were supposed to like listen to me, but take that and do something completely different. Did you not know that? Duh? Duh? Like yeah, that's always I'm like, when I say I want space, it actually means like I don't at all. I will say though I don't know, I would you say you do? Yeah? Most women don't meet that. Yeah, I had I think I had a little bit too inch wined to be honest with you, but I had I was having it something with someone and it was actually the guy wanted to communicate, and I was just like, you know what, I want to go to bed, and it was just like but and then I was so mad at myself in the morning because I was like, dang it, Like I always preach that I'm such a good communicator, and then like the guy was actually trying, and then I was just so like stubborn. I feel like, I don't know, maybe I'm just you could blame that on the wine one random wine night, you know, sometimes you know, just you just just I don't know. Um when you got When did you get asked to do selling Sunset? Um? I guess it was probably the fall of two thousand twenty. Yeah, and then I found out in January, but we didn't start filming until May. But yeah, I mean it's definitely something that I had to consider because, you know, I putting yourself out there for the world to see. Especially I'm a super private person. So like when I was engaged and stuff like that, all my close friends and family and everyone knew, but I didn't post about it. I've always been very protective of my family, my relationships, even like what I did. Not everyone knew what I did except people that were close to me. So putting my life out there for the world to see and judge was something that I went back and forth with, you know, a decent amount. It wasn't a quick easy decision. Do you get haters or because I don't ever feel like anyone could ever hate on you. I feel like, um, honestly, a really small amount. And I thought that I was going to get more. I honestly thought that I was going to get way more than I did, just because you know, you're so sweet, like you're nice. Certain people have fans and stuff like that. So I wasn't sure how that was going to go. But I think, I mean, when you finished the season, you know, but like obviously everything I say is the truth and whatever. Definitely how you handled it, for sure, Yeah, and people, But I was very concerned that I was going to get a lot of hate. And the girls were warning me, like, you know, just take it with a grain of salt, don't read the comments. They're gonna say a million things about you. I mean, of course, I see things here and there that it's like, oh my god, you're so ugly and things like that, and it's like, okay, like brush that off, you know what I mean, because every pa that's not true. But you know, I have to say I'm thankful for the amount of messages that's been like you're so inspiring to me. You know, someone was saying that they were having they were kind of a little bit depressed and sitting in their house and and now they went out and started some candle company that she was always dreaming about doing. So I can inspire some people a majority of people, That's why I did it. You know that. So did you like automatically get like a ton of new business? I always wonder that when you're selling, when you're doing real estate on a show, and then all of a sudden, you know, you become celebrities, Like how does that even work? Business wise? That's got to be kind of tricky. I'm definitely getting more a little bit more reach outs and stuff like that. But I had such a great network already coming onto the show, because you know the relationships that I made. I have a food company, um I partnered with Beyond Me, so meeting all of these like high profile CEOs and stuff like that. They you know, meet me and obviously had a lot of respect for what I've done and what I'm doing, and so then when they're going to buy a house, they're now coming to me. So I did already have a really great group of clients and clientile um. The only thing now a little bit more people reach out. But I'd say, you know, are they even you know, can they even buy a you know, their sentences aren't even adding up. So I'm like, we weighed that out though, I have a team that goes through everything. Now, Okay, I've wondered how that works. I'm like, because this can I'm sure you're getting a ton of stuff that's not even legitimate. But yeah, well, um, thank you for coming on the show. You're an absolute sweetheart, and if you're ever in Nashville, please come have a glass wine with us. I definitely are awesome. You and Chris I'll should come. We will definitely come, and even if we have the gossip wine, I'll still make you communicate after perfect. Oh my god, she is a sweetheart. I want to be friends with her. Can she be our friend? Katherine? Please be our friend? Please be our friend. UM, let's take a break and then we'll be back. UM. I don't remember if I've ever spoke on this on the show. I'm sure I have because of what I've said mostly everything on the show. UM, I mean obviously you know, but that I cry every New Year's it's not funny, No, it's not not No, I cry every single freaking Year's. I don't know what it is. And I was I thought I was kind of alone in that until I talked to a girlfriend of mine and I was like, man, I've got like a little bit of confession. I don't think I've told you this, and I was like, I just I make it in my mind New Year's Eve has to be this like amazing feeling moment, and I make it be something that's like I don't know, I just make it something more. My expectation is it's like huge. And normally I'm either like last New Year's like, well the last two Mike and I were fighting, um, and I'm always like good a sign like it's for some reason, however, that that New Year's Night is it's like how I feel like the New Year is going to be. That's so interesting because New Year's to me is like nothing. Why like not even remotely close to special? Oh my god, Like tell me more why I don't know how boring is New Year's. I don't I don't like to go out like noth thing too. I don't want to be with anybody that I don't know. Like I was telling you this person, I was like, here's here's here's what you need to know about me. Cry expectation, Well, I was seriously, I was like, I cry every year. I don't want to. Um, I have to see the ball drop. If I don't see the ball drop, it is it is over? Is over? Like I have to watch the ball drop. I guess I just assumed it was kind of situational on New Year's, But now I see, Like, so, what is your expectation? What would be the perfect New Year's? I said, I want just you know, with my person or loan whatever, drinking wine, watching the ball drop, like with my closest friends. If it's just you and wine and the ball drop, you're going to cry. Of course, we're doing a game night, I thought. But I need to have that, like, you know, like with my friends or whatever, and just like have that like moment of like, I'm with you, we got this. It's gonna be a great year. Maybe what we're usually together on New Years, aren't we? Or do we have to cancel it the last the last two weeks to cancel to the mic, Hm, I'm not just pubbed into but I'm sorry that. Yes, I know that that is a big one for you. Um so how can I meet your expectations? I want to play games and I want to watch the ball drop. Okay, Eastern time, Central time, doesn't matter. When do we see the ball drop? I think it needs to be live to like Nashville. I don't want to watch the I don't want to watch the No, not that, not that one. I want to watch New York, not Nashville. I want to watch New York. Okay, so that's Eastern No, but but it has to be on Central time. Okay, we'll watch the play. Yeah, it's the replay. It's like you know, um yeah, I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know if it's like I think, I'm just like I go to this place where I'm like however it I feel then is how is going to be? Do you think you're going to have a hard time because you won't be with the kids. Absolutely, I mean it's already hard not having them right now. I don't know if it would be for New Year's because it's like the kids are kind of already in bed anyway kind of thing. I don't know, like the kids already in bed whatever. But like the fact that I don't get to wake up to them New Year's Day and be like Happy New Year and like do the little party, Like it's just like that's a bummer. But you know what'll be good next year? Yeah, next year, and you'll see that how great you did this year. I'm gonna do great. So I'm going into two strong and dependant, don't need in someone in the room cheers in with Although it would be fun, it would be nice. I don't need it, don't need it, don't need it. But it's like, you know, as my friends, Christmas isn't canceled, neither is New Year's Just you, right, I don't know, I don't know, but I guess I'm not the only person that feels that way. Like there's just like this expectation and this like it always has felt like I remember when I was in l a at a club and I was dating John Julius Julius husband and who's my best friend? Let me just say that details. Um, and I just remember being at this club and just being like, this is the worst. I don't want to be with people that I don't know. That's a nightmare for me. Yeah, thank you, and then getting dressed up and being it's just not my thing. Now you did you dressed up for Pam's party. That was your one time dressed I love I got like a forty seven percent on that pole. By the way, that's true. Up to that said that you were the one that made they wanted to dress up. Shocking. Um. Yeah. The people that go to bed. I mean last year when we went to bed when we were fighting, like it was just like I'm like, how can people go to bed? I usually try to wait up and see the ball, but it is. It is literally one of my least important holidays. I don't even see it as a holiday. It's just not I'm like, it's just another day. Wow. Marj January one, What are you going into the new year wanting? I'm not going to say like news resolution. I hate that word. I hate it. What are you hoping to grow in in um do in personally. I think, just work on myself, just like, yeah, continue therapy, start working out because I don't do it well. And here's a question, how can I support you in that? Because I want to be like, hey, like come work out, you know you're so great. I have to be in the mindset yeah, or I'm just not going to do it. So I'm hoping and praying as I'm working on myself and my mental that I'll start wanting to work on physical as well. So losing some weight working out, which is like everyone's I understand, But I think just all around self care mhm for the year, not just the beginning of January. Maybe come up with the goal every month. I wonder where you get. I like it. Yes, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do something every month that challenges me, helps me grow spiritually, mentally, physically, and kind of journal it you know. Ye I'm kind of on the phone. I journal a lot on my phone. But yeah, I just think that's like I like the monthly. I don't know. I've read this book a long time called The Happiness Project, and they basically say, like every month should be a resolution. So but again instead of resolution, change it to like you know something that like challenges you, helps you grow, inspires you. Whether it's just like I took a bath this month and that was like a total self care moment, you know something. How are you feeling about going into two? Are you feeling like confident that's going to be a good year? Are you hesitant? Are you anxious? How do you feel? I feel excited? I mean this year through me for a loop. I mean it was it was I survived and anything that I know that sounds kind of like dramatic, but like I thought the divorce was gonna kill me, like like it just I thought I could, like because of my anxiety, I thought I can never Literally why didn't leave for so many years Because I thought I could not do it alone. I didn't think I could have the kids alone. I didn't think I could my anxiety could do it alone. I didn't think I could just function without him. And this year taught me that I could. And so next year, I'm just excited to like continue to be stronger and know that when I you know, continue on a relationship or don't or if it ends like it's not going to kill me. It will not break me. It's just another little learning experience. And because I'm like I already like I've been broken to the to the to the most I could ever be broken. Right, I lost my family, but I gained my new family, you know, like yeah, and you've proven to yourself that you can do it. You can do it you and the kids. Yeah, So I'm like anything like That's why it's like it'll be easy for me. Like if something isn't suiting me, I'd like all right bye, Like I'm like, I'm good, I can do this. I don't I don't need to settle. And so I think like going in twenty two just being like boss mode, not side helping others and just like feeling light and chasing joy, chasing joy. I love it. Um. I hope you all had a merry Christmas, and I hope you have the most amazing New Year's and um, talk to you next year.