Let's Make Nice

Published Jul 13, 2021, 2:38 PM

Dorinda Medley from Real Housewives of New York City has some powerful advice for Jana as she comes to terms with the end of her marriage and both of them end up in tears. Listen in as Dorinda helps Jana understand that divorce can strengthen her, and she might spell some secrets about her time on the Real Housewives!


Jana lets us in on her complex emotions as we approach her divorce becoming official. 


Plus, learn some effective ways to co-parent if you have young children.

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Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast. Okay, welcome to wind Down. Um, how is everyone's fourth of July? I go, I just wait to be called on. That's all I do. I it was good. It was good. Um. You know, we they do this really cute fireworks show in in my village, Minroevia, California. And we realized we've lived here for three years. We realized we could watch it from our backyard this year. So every other year we go downtown and like steak out a good spot everything, and then this year we're like, oh, we can just see this from the back porch. So that is what we did. Um. It was really nice and uh and we barbecued, just my wife and I and uh, yeah, I had a good time. Oh I love that, Riley. What about you? Ben? Yeah, just hung out with some friends. We went on to the beach for a little bit before I got crazy. Um, it's always crazy at the beach around here, so we want to get there early. Um. And then fireworks were popping. This year, I felt like everybody had a need for fireworks and so it was just it was crazy. But I think it was nice to just sit with friends like you know, we haven't seen in a while, and watch the fireworks in the summer. So it was perfect. Yeah, I feel like it's one of those things where it's like we're free, Like its like everyone's just like throwing like because even on because I went up north to Michigan and um, which I honestly didn't know how I was going to feel because the last two fourth of July as we r vied and it was like this big like family vacation and um, and so I at first I was like, oh, man, like in the up North Michigan is like my happy place. It's my like whenever I have anxiety, it's it's like the one thing where my therapist like when we always talking about like when I was trying to like work on anxiety there like pick a place that like it just brings you so much serenity and so much peace. And so I was like, well, up North Michigan like no matter what, like just sitting on at like like there's something like I'm I'm a percent me. I'm like I'm not trying to be anything. I'm not like I'm just like so carefree up there and just at peace and so that's always like my happy place, and I'm like, shoot, like I hope I don't go up there and it's ruined or it's like tampered because of like the memories that I had with you know, my acts and the kids. And it was like probably the best trip I've ever had now, Yeah it was. It was a little challenging, you know, because you know, um first like single mom vacation and flying with them and um, but it was so you know sweet too because my my cousin Jessica texted me was like you know, her and her Eric, my cousin were talking and they were like, it was so cool to see you just like kill the single momb game up north, and and I was kind of like, yeah, like I did. Like I was like, you know, I'm sure there was moments where I'm like I could really use an extra set of hands here, but like which I just made it work, and it was just like, oh wow, this is like I can do it. Like I did it, and it was and we all survived and we had a really fun time and there was no stress to no like fight. It was just like it was so relaxing, which I'd never thought I would say I thought it was just going to be like, you know, sad, and but and then the fireworks show. I mean Jay slept like last the year before that, like he like he hated the fireworks. So it's like I was able to watch the fireworks and just like truly enjoy myself. And it was one of those moments where I was like, fireworks, I don't know why, why would they always make me cry? Like I'm just like just there's something about like I'm like, oh, like something so free about fireworks, And so I was like crying and then I was, but it wasn't crying from like a sad place. It was like it was like a I'm I'm content and I'm happy and it it felt really nice. So that was my fourth but but yeah, and and now I'm heading to Connecticut, uh next week or actually I'm heading to Connecticut this week to to film another Christmas movie in Eastern I'm gonna miss you. I feel like I almost can you come visit on set? I mean, if I'm invited, I would love to. I'm glad you brought that up, Janey, because I saw in your on your Instagram, which I pay close attention to. I saw you studying the script aboard a plane, and I was, I want to know what we can find out about this movie. So that's a Christmas movie. So it's a Christmas movie. I'm producing it with my co star. Yeah, so I'm really excited about it. And we yeah, Jessica, she's an amazing writer, and we we kind of all came up with the idea and um in the concept and it's just been it's been really cool to create this and I just I can't wait to go film it. But I am a I'm like, um, it's like a flip or Flop show. I'm like, I'm the start of it. So um, so that's that's my job. And I, you know, go back to my hometown and to help save something and I run into my my X, which I'm really excited about it. So we'll have him on the podcast and we'll do like the whole announcement on the next we should do it, Yeah, for the next episode, we'll have him mom, and he's awesome. He's such a great actor, and I'm just I'm so looking forward to it. And the kids are going to come with me for the first week and a half, so it'll be it'll be really fun. I know that we've really nailed the like recording remotely and you know your way around all the gear. But but I really think the show would benefit for from a podcast where I go and run everything for you in person. I one thousand percent agree. And I was just you know, because I'm in l A at the moment, and it was nice, like because I was kind of a a little sad. I'm like, I missed coming in the studio, Like I miss that environment of like the podcast studio. I know, I haven't seen you in like two years. I don't know. I remember last time person. I think I had a baby belly and I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, no, no, yeah, I know I had the baby before we left. But yeah, but yeah, I miss you guys and um, but yes, please come to Connecticut. It'd be a lot of fun. And I'm super excited because we have Dorinda, who is a housewife, well she was a housewife, but she's gonna be coming on the show because she has a book coming out called Make It Nice. So I'm excited to get her on. But first, let's take a break. Hey Derenda, Hey there, how are you? How are you? I'm Janna Kramer. It's nice to meet you. You're nice to meet you. Where are you? I am actually in Los Angeles. Where are you? I am in the Berkshires on a very torn literally out stormy. We had a little many tornado here last night. You had a tornado in Massachusetts. Well, we get these little mini things. And two of my trees came down last night and then knocked out all the electricity, so I had it was pitch black. I had no internet, and I'm on eighteen acres and you don't know dark until you've been on eighteen acres. On the Help Buyers, it was really luckily I have. You know, it's one of those things where it's so funny because like six months ago, Dane Covid, I was buying like all these survival kids, you know how we were with Amazon. It's just became like out of our minds. So I bought all these incredible camp lanterns and I got like twelve of them, and I just had them charged in the garage, and I've got to tell you they saved our lives because it was well, and it's just it's isn't you and your daughter? Now it's me and my daughter and land my housekeeper. But still the houses. You know, it's an old nineteen of four house, so it's very rambilly, you know, it's like a old New England. It's old Stanford White house and so it's like great during the day, but it's sort of you know, listen, the houses sort of lives and breathe. That is because it's got so much history. It used to be easy Stanford White built it. It's sort of a very sort of storyteller kind of house. Anyway, so when you add the pitch black to it, it's like your imagination once. Well, but it was. It's a no, it really was. Gave me pause to think last night, like now I'm going to set them up. I thought, you know I'm gonna do Now now now I'm gonna set them up in each hallway so I could just like if it happens, but what a great investment, but a great Yeah, it's funny how that that works out. And how old your daughter she's okay, so wow, that's gotta be really cool because so I have a I have a five year old daughter, and I've always wonder like, what our adult relationship is gonna look like? Well, it's you know what, It's an ever changing thing. And I think the ultimate, the the apex comes when they have their own children. Like even Hannah just heard a dog and she's to watch her take care of with dark she realizes what you know, how giving you have to be, and she's like, oh god, I could see now why. I mean I would lift a car for this daughter. And I'm like, oh, we can have a baby, but you don't having I think especially I don't know other than a daughter. But for me, I have a very strong relationship and a very strong bound with UM. And talked about that with my mother, and it's kind of invisible string that I truly believe, because I believe things are sort of connected by the soul and not by the body, you know, UM. And I think I learned more about that after Richard died. I chose to learn more about that. But it's an ever changing thing with the daughter because you want as a woman to be have them be better than you and I have to go through the pitfalls that you had to go through, right, But at the same time, you want to keep them aware of where they've come from, so you know, and and listen. It's a different. It's a it's a different it's a different world wominar in now. It's a very different world than even I grew up them, because I was just at the cups of women and being having rights. And I mean there was no me too movement, there was no opportunities. There was a huge voice. You really had to carve it out, but still sort of be gently stepping upon the old world. And I grew up in an ethnic family, so the old world was very alive and well in all ways, you know what I mean. She's very academic, very confident, and very assured as a woman, which is you know, as when we were doing the book to get she would help me with the book. She's a great writer and I she said, how would you describe me? And said, you're a noble citizen, so sweet? How old are you? When you got divorced from your show, I got divorced, well it really was separated, we say, I I had I was reading up about you. I know you're going through a difficult time right now, and I'm sorry about that, you know, thanks, it's terrible. I had an interesting situation because Wealth and I didn't divorce. I'm still very close to her father for a long time time. But I divorced my hand it was about seven, so that was like two thousand, so I was about ever born in nineteen sixty four, so it was like, what do the math th plenty. I'm terrible at math. So basically for generation, I was pretty six. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm thirty seven. So yeah, how long will be married? Um? It would have been six years a month ago. Listen. Yeah, you know everyone says, you know, with this ongoing thing, you know, divorce is a death, and especially when it comes unexpected, because as women, we lay out our plan and I think it's one of our things that when I when I explored sort of going through the book all the different steps, you know. I know myself, I got divorced and then I was single for about six years, and then I got married again and and I was married for six years then he died. So it's sort of I've seen this. I started seeing, you know, growing up, growing my independent way, getting married to investor Baker and having that failed, become a mother, be a single mother, get married again, be a widow, and it's really layered me for you know, um, not to get stuck because I think as you know, you're a young woman. You know, it's it's amazing. Stumbling blocks like this for women make us feel old. M hm, and you're not. I mean, I know myself if I think back of how I used to think at thirty six, I think, now what I'm here? This is not the plan, you know what I mean? Really, I have to go go out there again. But it's not going out again. You have a you have a different set of armor now you're a mother. You know, this is a great experience. Divorce will strengthen you will be a different person in your next relationship. You will be a different person in this period before your relationship. I think that, Yeah, it's tempical as it is. It's it's an it's it's it ends up being a necessary evil. I can't explain it to you, like it's one of the things I talked about all the time about women not getting stuck. I just find a lot of times women have a moment like this and then they sort of stopped and looked to the past as opposed to be wonderment about the future. You know what I mean. I didn't work out with the guy. How do you find out it's thirty six, and at six can look back and say, why wasn't married to this asshole for forty years? How did you? How did you deal with the fact though that, because I can't even imagine, like obviously I know how hard divorces and but then remarrying and then have having someone then die, It's like, did you kind of have at the moment where you're like really goad, like can I just can can I just be happy for once? Like and like that makes me want to cry for you. Not only did he die in that year, my daughter went to college, so I became an empty nester and a widow. And you gotta remember before that, the year before that we just finished this. I was that we spent three years restoring this or two years before, and we had it all planned out, Like I was, like, I have done it. I've gone from Great Barrington to a telephone man's daughter to owning this fantastic house. With this fantastic house, my daughter's gonna go to college. He's gonna right up there, we're gonna travel, like I redefinantly have figured it out. In the boom, I'm a I'm literally standing at the altar burying him in the same altar where I married him six years before. Hurt breaking. But how did he how did he die? He got sick, he got he got sick, and then he just you know, I don't really talk about it a lot in the book because of his kids and I'm very protective of his children. Um, but he got ill. He died a liver disease. And it happened all within six months, which was a blessing. It wasn't at the time I was angry about but I looked at it. It It was almost like God's protection. He was like, we're gonna get and furiously and it did. But you know, you feel, yeah, you know you feel I'm sure you do too. You know you said you think what Then you feel angry, you feel disappointed, you feel bewildered, you feel ashamed, you feel tired. Right you're You're like, you know, you got to manage because you know, of course, whenever there's a break, you've got to manage new people that can be new boyfriend's girlfriends, that can be friends, that can be doing things differently as a family unit, because you know, now you have your family unit with daughter, then you got to manage his family unit with the daughter that you've got to manage how that you know, making sure the daughter even though she has this break rough and I did it very well, thank god. But you're making sure the kids because a lot of times, you know, the kids become the the aftermath of the divorce and they have to one thing wealth and always be clear that handy thing get divorced. We did, as far as Hannah is concerned. We are a unit. We we functure. We just have two households. You know, Ralph had a key to my apartment until I got married to Richard, but way a different divorce. You know, I think when there's any kind of betrayal, and I don't need to bring that up, but yeah, it's it's more difficult. Did you kind of separate it out? You got to separate it out? Yeah, I think, Yeah, I mean it's definitely hard. And it's one of those things where sometimes, like the process with us has been really challenging because because there is that betrayal, but there's also you know, he has so much resentment and I'm like, wait a minute, you're the one that hurt me, Like how are you being mean to me? Like I'm like, this doesn't this doesn't add up to me, you know, and so it's like, welcome to a man. Oh, please tell me more to help me understand that, because I'm just like losing my mind. I'm like, there's a million mean things I could say to you, but I'm choosing to be like kind And what I say I always say men have a beautiful art of spelling, like the type of person that you know, God forgot they can they can, you know, knock a glass out of your hand, glass of wine out your hand and then yell at you. There's a staying out the carpet. Yes, oh my god, yes you do. Even you're like, but but you knocked the glass And they're like, you have a look at this stain. Yes, not the glass. I like it because you I don't care about the details. Stay now you women were like, oh my god, I got to clean up the stain because they just because we are problem solvers like that, right, Yes, he's still with the is can I ask? He's still with the person that caused the damage and it is damaged by the way anyone when it comes into a marriage, I'm very old school serious accept the all a marriage knowing that they are involved terrible person, and I need to be. But you know, they not even they know you were married, they knew you had a child. Mm hmm. Yeah, so that is a terrible person because I am I don't give your religious spiritual You guys had a bond and you do not touch a bond. Yeah. How long has it been since the divorce? Yeah? I filed April. Oh she's still missed. Yeah, so but I mean everything's everything's final. I mean it'll be officially final next week. So, um, yeah, it's just been But we've been dealing with infidelity for the we've been dealing with it for I found out a year into our marriage he had been unfaithful with a bunch of women. So it's been five years of us trying to rebuild something that has just been really hard. And you know, I take some I have to look at myself and take some blame and accountability for you know, the ways that I tried to it was it was very hard for me to um to be in that kind of marriage where there was just not any trust, And as much as I tried, it was still very it was very hard. So I'm sure you know at times I was shameful and I said mean things, and you cheated on your year and a half in your martach. So that's so whatever, that's soiled. Whatever that when you know, when you get married, it's a plant. Yeah, if you put in a garden, then you feed at the soil, and you feed at the right sun. And if you feed it bad soil, you feed it ugly rain. You can't be surprised when the plant doesn't grow the way you're supposed to grow. So yeah, I get what you're saying, But I mean, how could you have not? Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's just it's just it's so heavy, that's so hard. And right now I'm just like I'm in the place where it's like, okay, how do I how do I raise my children? Because we have two beautiful kids, And I'm like, how do you? But by day, just day by day that's it because you'd be surprised the power and day by day just don't even worry. Just just feed them, make sure they're safe, love them, make sure they through a relationship with their father that you don't have to be, you know, overly engaged in, and and just go forth. I promise you you will you you will do it. And you'll be better for it than the end. But how do you have such a light and such a good energy when like you've had because again like you had your second chance at this fairy tale love and then it goes away. You know what my mother said to me when I was bawling about Richard and falling and crying and crying. And my mother is my oak tree. You know, she's just my rock, She said to me one day, and I was like doing bad things and drinking and not carrying and angry and it's not there. And I would started doing that comparing and we'll look at that present for somebody. You know. Ye, yes, I've done everything right. I've serviced to God. I've got a good mother. My mom said, you know what she'd give me one day. You know, you met Richard six eight years ago now, and then I'm like eight years go America for six He said, Hannah was like ten and a half. She He loved Hannah as if he were she was his own. She said, Now, let me ask you something. If God came to you and said you're gonna meet go back, then you're gonna meet one for seven and a half years. He's gonna love your child, raise your child. You're gonna be exposed to things that never said. You're gonna experience such great love. But then he's going to have to leave. But that's the deal. Will you take this deal? And I said, she said, well, what are you doing? I said, yeah, Mom, of course, She goes, well, that's what you got, just because you think you know the beginning, in the middle of the end, God has a different timeline. So don't be greedy. That's what you got. And now we're going to move on from that. You're gonna get up every day, wash your face, and you're gonna start moving forward again. And I just had to play something like that feel like it makes me cry. I gotta beautiful, like it's a beautiful way to look at it, like I just and you should cry because lost is lost, and you know what you will you will It will make you a different person. But I think in the long one, it will make you know you ever had that beautiful story about the grapes, and the grapes that are beautiful, they're just not as sweet the most beautiful grapes of people pick and Italy are warm and dark and leathery, but the juice is beautiful because it suffers and it protects that beautiful juice. It's sorry, this is just you just know life's hogged. Yeah, oh man, So how are you like? Because how how many that's been? How many years it's gonna be ten years this year? Can you imagine? So how do you like? How do you get back out there? And and and and trust that like and and to bring thelow You should talk to people, and you should get any kind of professional help you can be in. You should be shameless about it, and you should cry when you want to cry, and you should not rush into anything. You should be very protective of yourself because it's a wound and you should, you know, just do it slowly, there's no rush. And you know what, you got it all in front of you. You got your two kids, and it sounds like you have a beautiful career and you're a beautiful girl, and you know you do you have a strong family bond, Yeah, very much. You have your family, so you've already won. I mean, I'm very religious, so my religion helped me a lot. You know, I'm not cookie religious, but very spiritual. You know, I clean onto that and that helped me a lot and and exercise and stay healthy. So make it nice. What is your just so but make it nice. I mean that is your I mean, that's that is probably I mean, is it just kind of is it showing the journey and how how you've come to this place, that's this whole place that you are. You have to you have to suffer, and you have you have to go through things, You have to go through life, and all you can do is sort of look at it and try to do it as best you can, as honorably as you can, as accepting as you can. You know, and be and you know, don't be in a rush. Sloan Steady wins the race. You know, eat life really is a marathon, like it's you. You know, it's like it's like a butterfly, you know, the butterfly, the monarch. Butterflies are the strongest of the ones that come out of the nest a little bit later because they but there's by the time they get out, their winds are so strong that it was worth taking the time to do it right. And you know it's women, we like you're feeling right now. This is a roadblock, but you'll figure out a way around it. You know, you don't have to go through it. You'll figure out. You're like, you know why I got to the path. I thought I was going to Italy, but now you may end up in France, so you want to French? Alright, It's okay. Isn't that great? You thought you were gonna end up in Italy, but it's that you're going to France. That's okay. That's why my mother used to say, you thought you were going to the beach, but unfortunately going skames adapt It's about adapting. It's about you know, taking looking back on these things that we go through like this, not as disappointments but as growth periods. Yeah, and really taking care of yourself, you know, as women we and I include myself, you know, we can get a self destructive people around We started drinking sort did you trying to keep up, trying to compare and contrast. Just stop. You'd be surprised how life unfolds for itself if you ask it too. Yeah, right, I I agree with you, and that it's just I think it's like the hardest thing is like how powerful your mind is too, you know, and how how much you know? I'm like, oh, well, I guess I don't deserve that, So I'm gonna go. Let's let's let's choose the next relationship that's justice destructive. There is a wonderful tool for women, isn't it. We grapuate onto it, just don't don't pick up that him. Did you enjoy writing your book? It was an absolute joy and it came at a perfect time because, as you know, it was not on the Real Housewife last year and it was COVID, so I kind of used it as a time because I've been you know, it's so funny. I'm I love to talk. I love people, but I never take time to like really take stock of what I've done, where I come from, and what I believe because I'm always talking and talking and I love women and kind of empowering women, and I just I like, like I always say I should have. I would have probably been great and like a harem right one husband fifty that's our commune liver. I would be a great common liver because I like people, right. But it was nice because COVID allowed me to sit still and stop talking and start writing it down and thinking and going through these phases of my life. It was a real Um, it was a real um gift, you know, because I have been through a lot, you know, and I'm really proud of myself and I have I haven't often said that about myself. If you're always doing it's just about God through that, okay, God through that to go back and really honor my relationships and experiences I've had and the downfalls. And then you know, I was reading I was watching the other day a little Chaos and she says the most beautiful thing that she says that, you know, women should be. Women should be noted for their she says something that don't take it word for word. I'll I'll watch against you've been watching, said women should have been. Women are often recognized for their faults with are vulnerabilities, but not for their successes. We're really good at pointing out our vulnerabilities and our faults, but we're really bad at pointing out our successes. So I was like, that's it, you know, yeah, and I think there's something so I thought this when it turned into it, right right, But it's so it's so good though, it's so real, and I think, like when you like, what does that mean? That's whatever you call it? That could be God, that could be you're your angel. There's someone out there to put us together today. Yeah, and I think should maybe a shifty interview, but we certainly got it there. But I think it's there's something so beautiful of you being like, you know, saying that you're proud of yourself and I can't even you know, and not like chokes me up because the voices that I feel like us women speak to ourselves are so toxic all the time and we have to work on that. And you know what, and also to what you just said, which is very interesting. So when you don't have that anymore, you know, I said, the great thing about a postmanopausal woman, the sex thing is sort of not as important. So it's crazy because that's sex thing and chilled childbirard and make you a little nutty. Right, So when you're mad at fifty six and you're like, oh, I just want to watch TV and go to sleep at night, you know what I mean. I want to make money, that's I want to be happy. I want to go vegation with my girlfriend. It's it's amazing because you don't, you know, you you you you don't have all that craziness because it's like questioning and craziness and I'm a worthy and just should I date? And am I gonna get married again? It's it can really make you loopy, and I think in some ways men tune into that a little bit because you know, we're all it's probably you know a lot of men love to say that thing you're crazy, you're not, and it creates such anger that it makes us look crazy and nuts or make us feel like we're crazy. I'm like, am I crazy? Did I Like? I'm like, I know I could have maybe been like a little less naggy and like, yeah I had I was controlling at times because of the environment that caused. But I'm like, you know, as you're intelligence self, I had nothing to do. I know, but it's very hard not to like when you hear it cards. It's very hard to not listen to those because I'm like, and I was just I was helping a girl. Some people DM me sometimes and they're like, hey, like I just feel and I'm like, I can so easily give the advice to other people, but I can't take it myself. Like I know that yes, was I controlling, Yes I was? But was it because of the environment that was created. Yes, like both those things can be true, but like I put on so much guilt for that. Well, I was like, but yeah, I tell other people not to Well, that's right, because it's easier to give than follow. It's easier to give direction than follow. It's easier to tell someone to do temper shops and doing them yourself. Right, you can say to someone doing tempership is really good for every day, but when you have to do them like this is hard. My boobs, I not my my my doctor told me I'm not allowed to with my new books. You know, I think that when people when there's any kind of betrayal, it's a wound, and just like any kind of animal, you protect the wound. So you get a little jittery, you know, afterally get the wound right, it's it's it's trauma. So you know, I just would not if I would to give you some advice as the older Yes, you're in the place you're you're now my my new life coach, Like I would say, stop thinking about the past and just today and go forward and be like I would just like pretend until you are strong enough, it doesn't exist. Just until I'm not saying forever, but for now, just until you can, you know, really accalm, get strong and heal yourself and lick your wounds again. I would just put that on hold because maybe, just maybe any year, two years, you'll be able to look at that say care anymore? Mm hmm can you? I mean maybe they should try it. I mean nothing, You're not gonna because it's a little bit spinning your wheels. It's probably taking away from some positive things that you could probably develop over the next twelve sixteen months of your life. Right, yeah, absolutely go out there and enjoying a new groups. Oh I have trust me, trust my god, I've got oh drenda, thank you for making this, for making it nice? Oh good, good enough, And I signed you with the book. I'll put a nice note personally, and I'm going to buy one too. But yeah, I just I appreciate every wonder. I hope, I hope I did root Are you kidding me? You know you are incredible? And I hope everyone gets her books a book make it nice on Amazona River books are sold. But seriously, I just I appreciate you, and good lucky if you know authentic, I'm I'm on lovely I've gone through it. Your family want to make a question, I have a chat. I'm here. I would love that. I mean, I'm a good listener. I you are, and I appreciate you and I will take you up on that. So thank you so much. I appreciate you. Okay, I am obsessed with her, Kenvill, can you please pop on right now? And Kendall is our new? Um? How how would you call yourself a producer? What? What's what's the new Kendall? Uh name for Kendall? Yes, so my title actually is a podcast researcher. Okay, well, welcome Kendall to wind down. Um, I'm obsessed with Drenda and now I want to go back and watch every single housewife like show that she was on. You will be obsessed. I mean, she is just a ball of energy and amazing. But like I couldn't like the entire time that we were like on the interview, was like she probably doesn't like yell at people or like was like was she like a start? She was a mediator, like you know, was very level headed, but there was times we were like whoa like? Especially right now, I feel like you probably couldn't tell, but she is so much fun in a fan favorite. And I know for all the Real Housewives fan they were like so upset that she wasn't on this new season. Why wasn't she on? You know, I think she just had her time. She's been on it for years, and like she said, you know, it was a gift she had, you know, the time to sit down and work on her book and focus on other things in life, and I think that she would just maybe over it. My god, well I'm like, can we really both crying? I was like, oh my god, But I just like I loved her. She's so sweet, Like she's just like she has like such a great energy and soul to her. So and she's the cutest bond with her daughter, you know. I love that. Yeah, she was the best. I hope you guys enjoyed that and got some if you're in that spot of kind of feeling stuck, like she said, you know, the past is the past. Start start just focusing on today. I know it's so much easier said than done, but um, you are not alone, So you next week

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