Wine Down with Jannet Kramer and I have Heart Radio podcast. I am so excited because the gang's all here. Guys. They haven't forgot about us, I know, I mean Eastern I know, I love you. You You popped on the other like the other week. But then we have Mark too, like and people have been commenting asking for Where's Mark? Where's Euston? Yeah, they have. If you go on the Wine Down on whatever iTunes and you look at the reviews, it's like, Janna sex, Janna sex, Where's Mark Easton? So it's like it's they're asking where you guys have been? So I feel like I kind of need to get a catch up Mark, where have you been? What have you been doing? Like, how's how do you guys have been doing the show early and so it doesn't work out with the Seacrest schedule. So that's the only reason that I haven't been here because I love you guys. Um everything's been, you know, it's been, of course the weirdest some wherever. We did not go back to Wisconsin for the first time in our kids lives eighteen years since we didn't go back to Wisconsin. Did you do Wisconsin for like fourth of julys or just it was. It always just like a summer vacation. It was always summer vacation, often around the fourth of July, and always made it back, except for this year. We didn't make it back. It's just it's two airplanes scare us, and some members of the family we've heard of not taking it very seriously, and so we can't trust that. So we just decided to stay here. But my daughter was in a musical, which was I guess commendable that they gave it a shot. They were so careful, they had the temperature checks, always in masks. They did the whole show either in face shields or in their own cubbies, which made it a little bit hard to follow the storyline. But they gave it a shot, and I respected if there was something to do this summer. I mean, how are they like, was it hard for them or is it just was it harder for you to see that versus how it was for them to enact that summer theater with one of those space shields on. I think it was a challenge for them, but they enjoyed having a place to go, something to do. You know, she was with a lot of her friends and she made new friends, and so it was a great summer activity, as strange as it was, but as strange as everything is now. And they're resilient. They're amazing how they just kind of rolled with everything. I mean, they have hard days like we all do, but in general they're doing fine. And next week to go back to school. Okay, so California is on the computer. Okay, yeah, you know, I think this is this whole thing is just a testament to remind all of us adults how resilient kids are, right, they roll with the punch is better than any anybody else. Like this morning, Jolie, when we dropped her off, she's like, Daddy, get your mask and yeah, without even skipping a beat. Yeah, not that you know, it's just it just goes to show that like we I mean, obviously we understand the ways that it affects us greater than it does our kids. But it's just it's inspiring in fulfilling to see that resiliency out of your kids, because it just reminds you, like, all right, it's gonna be okay, Like we're good. It's not the end of the world. Yeah, when is it ending? Though? Uh? Yeah, No. I actually, Mike, I just got home about five minutes ago. Um. Right now, it's what is today, today's Thursday, Um, when we're recording this. But he's like, oh, did you just go get an IVY because I had a like a little blood thing or are those things called like a compression? He's like, did you give blood? No, I went and got an antibody test. Yeah, And so I hear they're not like super accurate, but I still wanted to go because I'm still not super convinced that I didn't have COVID. I mean, even those doctors and nurses were surprised that you kept getting negative tests. Yeah, so I had I caught like pneumonia a couple of weeks ago, and so, but I mean the whole thing with um, what's a Lissa Milano Because she got all those negative tests she had she was super sick, and then she got a positive antibody test. So it's just I don't know. I just in the back of my mind, I'll say that I got a test for that reason, but also because you know, we're filming a movie right now and we have to I don't know how much I can actually legally say, but we had to shut down again because a few of the actors tested positive. Um, so we have to shut down, and we did yesterday. Um you know, we're we're you know, we all have to be retested again and we're all like re quarantining and you know. But I was in the scenes with the two girls or the two people that did and so I have to really like like and as I started to get nervous, and all of a sudden, my chest felt really heavy and was like, of course I'm gonna get like I didn't have my mask on because we were in the middle of the scene, and like it's just like now I have all this anxiety and of like I'm freaking out, like, oh my god, I'm gonna get it, And am I going to be the case that's like down and out? And oh my gosh, I just had pneumoniously does that mean my lungs are more compromised? And so I just started to kind of like go down that rabbit hole and it's just kind of it's just scary and I hate it. It's like there's so much like the fear is so incredible with this disease or the you know, the pandemic it goes back to everything from the beginning. It's unknown. The whole thing was like, what is it the Ohio senator or whatever that was supposed to go to the White House and you got tested four days in a row and you tested positive, the negative, positive, the negative, and that's like, yeah, the governor whoever was It's just like, what are you supposed to do when you get that kind of stuff? Well, and so did Stafford to did you see this stuff with Michael Stafford or Matthew Stafford the Lions quarterback? I mean he kind of the same thing. And and the one of the people that got tested, there was another person on the crew that as well got tested positive. Um she had corona in June. And I was like, you know, there's reports whether you can have it or you can't have it again. So it's just there's so many conflicting reports. And you know, I feel awful for my reducers because they're they're stuck in a rock and a hard place. They're trying to, you know, continue on and in such a weird time, and you know, they're all abiding by the rules and they have all the face shields and the masts and you know, we like nothing. Everything is prepackaged foods and like I've been living on in crustables and it's just like they're doing the best they can and they made their right decision by you know, halting production sending everyone home. But it's just it's it's just crazy because it's like are these tests even accurate? You know, It's gonna be interesting because we have Eric Winter and Russell and Sanchez on later today and She's about to go film something and so be interesting to have this conversation with them too on you know, their thoughts about going into this kind of stuff and they're both working actors too, so to see their experience with it too, because you're experienced first hand right now. And that's gotta be stressful. Well, it's stressful because like I just I want to work, you know, but I also wanted to be safe for people. But I mean again, the producers are doing awesome. They're you know, they're they're doing the right thing by making sure but it's just I just wish there was a definitive test, Like is that too much to ask for? I feel like, how is this the best? You know, like an armageddon? You're saying that of all the people we got. This is the best idea NASA can come up with, you know what I mean, Like this is the best, great reference, great reference. I appreciate that, but it's like, I mean, it's how I feel about our presidential candidates. But that's very true, Like this is the best you got the greatest country on Earth has to offer. Yeah. So, I mean, I just can't something in life just be accurate. NA too easy that way. I don't know, Mark, what what are your thoughts and all of it, and and going back into work versus not or all those things. I mean, that's a really good question. We we we had a plan to go back at one point, but then everything started back again and they scrapped that planet. There's been no other words of going back. And that was at least a month and a half ago. So I don't see us going back this year. Um. And you know, we we go back and forth on traveling in a hotel safe. We did do a hotel It seemed okay. It's it's all it's so much of it is fear based that I think we will have a test eventually that works. It's just it's also new. There's still so much we don't know about this virus. There's still so much. They say kids may transmitted to adults, they may not transmitted to adults. They say kids may have a there may be something in your eye and it's causing people to get it, but kids don't have that has developed yet, so they're not a suscepted. Like there's so much we don't know, and so you just kind of gotta hold up and wait it out. And who knows how long it's gonna take. I know, it's the thing. I'm like, guys, we're gonna be filming this movie like it's gonna take three months. Just shot it one week a month. Well and kind of like the sad running joke is, you know, we started shooting on a Monday. I caught the pneumonia on Wednesday, and then you know, we went back to work the following Monday. Within wednesdays when we shut down again. So it's like we can't even make it to a Wednesday. Like but I know, I mean, I hope, you know they're they're doing everything they can again, Like the producers are awesome, Like they're doing everything they can to make sure that you know, we're getting all tests and being safe and stuff. So you know, I woke up with the store throughout this morning, so the whole house goes into like death Con five mode. But now she's fine. It was just you know, maybe she was a little dry from the night air or whatever it is. But everyone's so scared all the time. Well and yeah, and it's like, you know, the the upper respiratory thing that I do think that was what I had to but like you know, who knows, But like the doctors are like that's going around now too, and you know, even with like more allergies in August, so you just don't know. But you're like any time you have a symptom, you're like God, Like I take their temperatures every day going around. I take Mike temperature, I take the kids in mind temperature every well, you kind of do that even before the pandemics. So now you have a valid reason for I really did, didn't I. Well. Thing that's kind of cool is we are adapting. Like like my daughter, my other daughter who's in a dance class, they have started them up again in a parking lot, spread out wearing masks, and it's like these businesses have to figure out something or they're all going to go under. So it's been kind of interesting to see that, and it kind of works. You know, they say that you can get your haircut if the barber is wearing a mask, and you're wearing a mask, you're gonna be okay almost for sure. And so if that's the case, we can start to adapt as a society. We can have dance classes, we can go to restaurants kinda. And so that's been interesting to watch the resiliency of kind of the people like, Okay, got it. We can do this. If we all work together, we can make this happen, especially all those small businesses. I don't remember who else talking to recently, but um in l A, you know, there's so many little strip malls with all these mom and pop businesses and stuff. And even when we're living there, Jana and I would always kind of comments like how does this r random place that specializes in this one little niche product or service stay open in this random part of North Hollywood or in the valley when there's another one just like it a few blocks away that's a completely different company. So with all this stuff, like how are these businesses in a place like l A or New York that's just so on top of each other when there's so much to choose from. Are they even I would feel like they would be empty strip almost like every other block now with all this stuff going on. Yeah, I mean even in here too, you know. I mean this the small little small city towns. You know, it's kind of sad think about that. Um, you know what not to like get like super negative. But I have been thinking about this that I brought up. Is it too? I'm not going to say who it is, bring it, but I'm curious to kind of get marks thing because this has kind of been way and heavy on me. So I'm not going to say who it is, just to be mindful of their their business and stuff. But I know someone that is on basically life support. They thought he went under COVID, but turns out like while he was under, they found out that he had a really aggressive lung disease, like he had lung cancer. So now he's on this ventilator keeping him alive. But they want to get him healthy enough to basically wake him up so he can say goodbye. And I guess I was trying to think in my head, I'm like, what would you do you want to be woken up to say goodbye to your family to only to know that you're going to die, or would you want to not to be woken up and not say goodbye? Wow? I know, I'm sorry. It's just really been weighing on me because I'm like, well, of course I don't want to say goodbye. But then I'm like, I don't know when I don't want to know I'm dying and then I'm gonna be gone, Like I don't know if I could like hold on to that too. So I'm just like, it's just been and I never heard what you thought. So I thought it'd be interesting to bring market on this too, because I'm like, I don't know what I would I don't know for me. For me, this is easy, wake me up. I want to know, because you know, I feel like even in that state, like when he's on a machine to be breathing right, his his his mind still going, his soul is still alive, so his mind's thinking it's like, all right, I'm gonna pop out of this. You know, it's COVID stuff. I'll get over it. I'll be fine. And then if all of a sudden he's gone and his soul is just like, man, what what the hell happened? Like I just you know, died. He didn't know that. That would just feel unsettling for my soul to know, like I didn't get the explanation, and they just like, no, let's not wake him up. I would want that obviously, like if he can wake up, that's what they want. Like there, but like he's you know, so like it's not like they're not waking him up because it's a choice for sure, but they're just like they're holding out hope and not pulling the plug to hope that he can wake up so they can tell him he's gonna die, so they can tell him he's gonna die. I would, yeah, I would want to. I would want to for hope to be held out so I could wake up and I could find out myself and then I could say goodbye. That's hot, Mark, I mean, I agree to a point. I think that I'm not sure about the whole soul thing. But I think that if I'm in a coma and I'm just going to fade away, it's almost the easy way out. It's almost a cop out on my part to just just head into the darkness and catch you later. So you don't have to have the emotional aspect of it, right exactly, because it would be very emotional and heart But I would also want to create a memorable, wonderful last moment with my family, with my daughters, with whoever where. I give them some words of wisdom, I make them laugh one last time, you know, I'd want to have a memory that they can hold on to forever, rather than just watching me fade, right, because they all go that you you know, that person goes under, is in a coma, and everyone close to him is like not thinking they're gonna have to say goodbye, right, So it's like, exactly, it's almost more for your family or your kids. You're going to have a last memory of you, So let's craft a good one, right, and have it be whatever random last thing was before you fell in. I want to give, you know, I want my kids to be able to hug me and get a hug in return one more time. Let me squeeze them with all I have and tell them Dad, you will always be there. It would be so hard to resist. So being like there's buried treasure and something like like I never told you the family's secret, your aunt. It's so hard to resist that kind of thing. I don't think I could do. He wants to be be able to wake up so he can mess with his family. I control my children when last time before checking out, I have a million dollars buried in and out. Your kids have been the rest of their lives digging up everywhere. The doctor, I'm like, okay, you gotta pull the plug, like when I closed my eyes and if I keep going, inject me or something, I don't know. He doesn't pull it yet. You're like, now, doc, Now, now, I mean, I mean ultimately, I would obviously want to say goodbye, like that's ultimately. But I was struggling with that. No, I get it is tough. It is tough because I would never want to know when I'm dying well. It's like the question that we've talked about before. It's like, would you rather know how or when you die? Well? And this is the case in that scenario when because then I would know how many days I have left to cherish them. But in this one, it's like you're up, fire down, you know what I mean? Like that like, I mean, yeah, I mean, you don't know how long this person would have. But yeah, it's but if you know when, Like if I knew on a specific day, I would just like wrap myself in bubble wrap and getting bad and I'm not moving because you can't get me. It's like final destination that you're ceiling your ceiling fan will fall down and cut your head off. Maybe it's gonna find a way, Like I read. I read a great book called They Both Die at the End, and it's about in a world where you get a call that morning saying you are dying today so you can get your affairs in order and enjoy your last day on earth, and at some point during that day you're gonna You're gonna, You're gonna die. It's a great book and I don't want to spoil the any for you. That question. I mean, that's the tides of the book. But so that's the questions. If you know when, but you don't know how, how do you live that final day? I think I'm just so honestly, I think, like with the core of his I think I'm so afraid of dying because of my kids, Like you would be fine my kids, like you know, I mean, like I don't know you mean, like I'd be fine if you died, or I'd be fine if I died, you know, like you would be okay, Like you wouldn't be okay, but like you'll survive if I died, Like my kids like to not have like their mom, you know, Like I think I've just like ever since I've had Jason, I've just been like and I think with the coronas, I'm like, I don't want to die, Like when I was in the hospital, you know, for the moment thing like do you think I have COVID? Am I going to die? And then nurses like You're not gonna die. I'm like, but how do you know? Like I'm gonna be the one like and she's like you need to breathe, take a zanex, like, but I just I just get scared because it's like, you know, I just I'm so scared. But I know I shouldn't because I believe in God and I believe in all those things. But I'm still scared. Well, it's it's normal to be fearful of dying, I think. I mean, you're a little bit more paranoid than I am about it, but I share the same fears and feelings still like I don't want kids to live without me or their dad or I mean, it's deep stuff. It's deep. But you're not afraid for you. You're afraid for your the people you leave behind. That's what you're afraid for out totally. Anyways, how do we lighten this sad news? Here's one the one thing I will say though, I'm starting to learn how to manifest and think positive. So that's what I've been doing lately. I've been trying to get you to do that for years. Well I'm doing it now. How to girl? So I I am like, when I get that thought in my head, I'm like, no, you're not, Janna. You're going to be fine. It's all going to be good. You're gonna live a long, beautiful life. All right. I'll lighten this up and just say something A story out of left field. You've heard this one before, but Mark talking about a book made me think of it. Where when I was a kid, my parents would give me like summer reading, or usually the school would also give you summer reading would make you read a book. Oh yeah, my parents are like, you gotta get a book, you gotta read it this summer. My mom kids my kids are reading too, right, so I don't remember the name of the book. But so my mom comes home one day from work. It's later in this summer. I should have read it by that, and she goes, all right, do you read the book. I was like, yeah, all right, let's sit down, let's talk about it. All right, let's do it. So she grabs the book. She kind of looks at it, and she's like, uh so, what was it about? And I started giving her some you know, notes on what it's about. And then she's like, what was the main character's name. I'm like, um, you know, he didn't actually have a name. He didn't he didn't have a name. And she's like, really, you didn't have anything. I was like, no, they went to the whole book. He didn't have a name. They called him him or he. She flips the book over, reads the back, like summary of the book. On the back of the book. It's like, oh, it shows right here his name is Danny. Like, you didn't even read the back of the book. You're gonna sit here and lie to me and not even read the ten words on the back of the book that say to me, main character's names like Danny I was like, you got me. Yeah, I was like ten years old, Like my bad. Classic, what do you do Mark when when you're if you catch your kids in a lie? Now, it's weird that you say that because it happened in the last two hours. Oh wow, my kids are not allowed to bring their phones into the bathroom. That seems like a very reasonable rule. Is it for selfie purposes? It's for all purposes. There's just no reason to have it in there, Like, it's just there's it's gross. You shouldn't be doing any kind of selfies, pictures, videos, anything in there, and you want to be in the habit of having to have it with you when you're on the toilet, Like, let's not, let's just not do that, thank you, it's gross. Well, that rules violent. The last night she says it was an accident, whatever the bottom, Why does she lied about it? So now I have a problem and she's grounded for twenty four hours. But the issue is that instinct, that initial instinct to lie about it because we told her it would have been easier if you hadn't, if you told the truth in the beginning, it would have been a lot easier. So I don't know how to divert a person when their first instinct is to lie. Well, we should probably get someone on that can help us, like a child's therapist, because I really would like to know, you know, just because of the situation like when you were a kid, and then you know, we can get some other parents in Eric Winter and Rosalind Sanchez. Um. Well, actually they're in the waiting room, so let's take a break and let's get them on. So, like we said, we wanted two other super parents to join in on some of the topics we were talking about, and they have some exciting things going on. So let's welcome Eric Winter and Rosalind Sanchez. Thank you for having us. Okay, because we just started. We were just talking about Corona and everything going on. So, Um, I'm on a I'm doing a movie right now and we had to shut down because of positive tests, and so I've just been like semi freaking out and I'm like, oh my god, it did I have it? Am I gonna get it? You know? And I heard that you guys had it, So what were your symptoms? How did you get it? Like, I just I need to know. We don't know how we got it. Um, the first Yeah, we were like super crazy, super crazy careful, and then um, a little boy had he's trying to have. He had a fever one night the day before. The nanny was like, came to work with like allergies, you know what I mean. Like like she was like, I don't feel well. I think I have allergies. But we didn't think anything of it because she's super responsible and she works here all the time, so we're like, Okay. The next day, Dylan gets a fever. Sunday, the daughter gets a fever. So not both kids have a fever. No, not sniffles, no, nothing, literally yes. So I was like, I'm not happy about this. So I texted the nanny saying, how are you feeling, you know, because the kids have a fever, And she's like, you know what, I'm not feeling gray. I don't think I should go to work Monday. I'm going to do the COVID test. I'm We're sitting denile thinking it's not COVID. You know, there's no freaking way. We're so careful, there's no way. They fast forward to Tuesday, she's positive. Then by then I am wiped out in bed fever. I'm dying, and but the range went completely all over the place, So our nanny was probably never more than like a solid cold. I got symptoms the same day she did, but later in the day. I was never worse than like a solid cold. No, the nanny we had diarrhea. That danny did it. No fever. Well that's hard, but still like that doesn't make you think COVID. You could have a you could ate something bad. Like her symptoms were mild, she was in the hospital, no breathing issues. Mind, I was pretty mild. The kids were over it, whatever symptoms they had. In twenty four hours. My mom got it zero symptoms, completely asymptomatic. She's gonna be seventy next year. Had pneumonia last year, so she should be super high risk, totally asymptomatic. And then ros has like I would say, like a solid high end flu. And that was like the extent of it really bizarre. I mean, you did get the bad loss of taste. I lost, like when they tell you can't taste or smell anything, is no joke. Zero that would zeer me out. Zero zero, It freaked me out. It is the most disturbing, like like nothing nothing. Then you don't want to eat because I know for the for for three days I didn't eat. Then when I started eating, and I kept telling Eric, I don't want, I don't want. I can't taste anything, like I feel like I'm eating nothing. It is the most bizarre symptom to me. I mean, besides the fever and the body aches, I was miserable, but the taste was out of control. Here's what I will say. The testing system is a mess. Well, and that's and that's the thing, because it's like the one girl that tested positive had it in June. The other one, like, you know, she has zero symptoms. The one other one has a stuff you know, so like okay, maybe um, but it's just I feel like you're there's so many false negative, false positives, like I'm just like and you know, working on a movie too, and rosin and you're about to leave for you know, five weeks to shoot a movie. It's like when someone gets it, it's like you have to shut down. It's like and then you're just like left worrying, like when are we going to finish this? You know? I know, So so what's what what are they're telling you? What is production telling you you shut down, like when can you come back two weeks? Uh, Well, it depends if if they get If the people get two more positives, then we shut down for fourteen days. But if not, if they're like if they get too negatives in a row, then we can go back on Monday. So it's just it's a waiting game. Did they do nasal swap with you guys? So that's the most accurate that we found because we did a bunch of We did nasal and we did the oral saliva, even blood work you did because of the finger prick. Fingerpric says, I've never even been exposed. So that's how inaccurate that is. I'm like perfect, I'm perfect with a fingerprint, the saliva I had it once, didn't have it too other times. And then with the nasal swab, had it. Yeah, thousands and thousands of people doing these like the oral swab in l A and they're all probably being tested negative and guarantee positive. Well that's what's so crazy. It's just like the fact that whether it's the governor of Ohio or US or anyone getting tested, the fact that it's just false negative, it's probably a false positive. The fact that false negative positives being thrown around that much just gives me no reassurance at all, Because Janna, our story actually almost mirrored what you guys were saying about the kids, because like a week and a half ago, same thing, Our daughter comes home running, knows, has it for two days. Then our son gets it, same thing, nothing more than he knows. Then Janna and I a week and a half ago, get it. Mine was, like you, Eric, like a cold. I was good, after was good, and Janna hers ends up turned into pretty much pneumonia and she was like going to hospital and was They actually had to cut three days of production last week because of her. Here here you are blaming the COVID patient and then and then they can't even get a full week because three days in their shoot they had to cancer because of her. And now this week you get those people that test positive for COVID. They haven't even been able to get through a Wednesday yet. But like, but I tested and even I don't know. I think you just had like a like a cold or flu. I don't know. Even the doctors and nurses were surprised that she got another negative test when she was feeling that bad. I went and got an antibody test just to see, even though I know those are in accurate too, but like just to like see they your drpoo. No, that's supposed to be the most accurate if you drop blood. Okay, well that's what did you say? I get it in two days? Okay, So if then then you'll know because if you've never been exposed, then you were definitely negative. That's crazy, but okay, but how okay? Yeah, this gives me so much anxiety, Like does it not anie anxiety? Or is it just me? Someone's making a lot of money off these tests. Somebody's making a lot of money off these tests, because I'm telling you all these city tests gets have for a bogus. You know that I have to go to I have to go to what is it, the Toronto, and I have to be in quarantine for two two weeks inside a hotel room. I cannot get out if they catch catch you right, it's seven and fine. They bring all the food to your doorstep and leave it there. They have to order, like there's there's a p a in charge, and then he'll bring me or she will bring me breakfast, lunch, dinner. We'll leave it at the door so I can grab it. And I said, but what can I go to the gym one day kind of go? Here's absolutely no contact. You're inside the room for two weeks. I'm already freaking out. That sounds like vacation. That sounds like vacation. Oh my god, Like that does sound like here? That sounds like like a dream. What I think? I love? I love the first two days, but then I'll be I'm claustrophobic. I don't know the same girl. I would be like that sounds like jail to me, Like, oh my god, so claustrophobic, Like I'll oh, I know, I know what. Eric, would you want to do that? Or you on my husband's sider would yeah, he stressed out, Like where the kids do? I be like thinking about that? You know this this guy is, Yes, this is the guy that cannot sit still in a in a hotel room for five minutes. He will make himself busy with rubbish, with nothing, just just to go out and do whatever. So there's no way you're gonna be able to be two weeks inside the hotel. But I can mentally prep myself for it and get a bunch of things to be binge watch and maybe so, so then you're gonna go when do you leave for that movie? Monday? Oh my goodness. And then so you're going to have the kids then, huh, Eric, I'll have the kids. I mean, are nannybuil to help my mom's down the streets. I'll have a support system. But then I start work mid September, so that's going to be Oh, so you guys go back to filming too. Yeah, which I don't know how they're what they're gonna do, and that sit you we're in l and I don't mean there's gonna be no real quarantine so that we get tested I think every couple day. It's yeah, so it's it's Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So you can't go past two days of not getting tested. Oh my stuff just shoved up your nose every two days. No, but they'll do this alive, I think. I don't think they sag. Yeah, you're probably getting numbed to it at some point. Yeah, you're just like okay, there you go, and then like there's no I feel like this this is kind of mean, like silly to say, but like they just they kind of go up in your nose like they don't even tell you their name, Like they don't say thank you, I don't even know you, Like I feel violented. And then it's like I'm left in tears and they just walk away. I feel, so, can you at least tell me your name? Oh my goodness, I hate it. Um, did they separate your trailers and stuff? Because I've heard that we're gonna have one separate trailer for makeup, one trailer for hair. They're gonna have plexiglass shields between each station. Yeah, so I mean everybody has to wear the face shields and a mask. Um, it's all like prepackaged foods. You can't um so, like there is no catering, Like it's just like uncrustable. So I feel like a five again. I've had more incrustables than like I've ever had. Well, the one day I told you because she was coming home poor thing, because she's a pick your eater, and so I was like, all right, I'll make you. You know, it's not that I'm a pick your eater. I just I don't really on set, Like I don't like um the like I don't like the heavy mashed potatoes, and I'm like I just look like a nice salad with a grilled chicken, you know, like and so so the first day, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna pack you like a construction worker, like cooler lunch. Right. So I had everything. I was like proud of it, grilled chicken, all this stuff ready for her. And that's the day. She didn't even eat it because she comes home that day sick and I haven't made it for a sing all right. So in quarantine, though, how were you guys, like did you did you kind of get into a groove or were you guys feisty? And I mean obviously I know the feistiness there with you, baby, but like were you was there any bad fights or how how were you able to control the quarantine inside the house. We started solid, like the first few a couple of months were great. We're like, wow, this is fun with the kids, like it was. It was actually good the first couple of months. Then we had a couple of months where did the fan It was kind of like a rough couple of months. Yeah, was it just like the communication or what was? And Eric had two surgeries, one low back surgery on the neck surgery. While we're doing the quarantine and and he it's just very massive surgeries, and he gets um a little bit impossible. She lacks compassion, like a what did you say? You lack compassion? I do like compassion because you're annoying. So that's the problem. That's the problem, Um, if you were nice, I tell him, you know, Eric, do you have to learn something? And it's been fifteen years and you're still not getting it. When you go into a hole mode, what you're gonna get is a lack of compassion. What is a hole mode mode? I'm curious, moody, like moody and snappy, and I'm kind of like that, so wouldn't be babe, you just went through a couple of big surgeries. I understand why you're moody. Let me figure out how I can make you feel better your mind exactly. I guess all right, I guess no, No, listen, it's the first time ones were great. Then he had his all the health issues, and then I and I have you know what, Yeah, I have I have a my issue. You know, it's been it's been like a really self searching, soul searching thing for me to comprehend why I'm not more compassion and when he's in paying well in the world shuts down. No, no, I will say this though, you know, I know Michael is like putting his finger up like that. The thing is is, I feel like when, and I might be generalizing, but when when men get sick, like when Michael gets sick, you know, he doesn't he's just he's dead, like he's in bed. He can't function. And I feel like when I when I get sick, I still have to do things. So I feel like my compassion level isn't as high for him because I'm like, well, I don't get the luxury to stay in bed and you know, and and do whatever. And I did this last time you do. The thing is is I'll get sick once a year and and I'm down and out when you're saying I don't feel good every fourteen days, it's really hard to be compassionate too when I hear that once a month, but once a year when I'm sick, Yeah, Daddy wants to lay in bed for a day and be left around. I care. I care with you. You know, women, we are more, we feel more, you know, like I'm very into with my body. So if my ovulation is strong, I want to be in bed when I get my period, I want to be in bed. No, I don't know, I don't how do you guys rebound from like because I know for us to like we kind of went through the same things of like the ups and downs of quarantine, and it's like, what is your way of how do you guys shake it off? After like three or four rough days? Then we get up one morning and we kind of apologize, you know, I mean we started kind of like apologize and then maybe he tries to be a little apologizer. No, no, no, and I am I have no problem saying sorry, like I'm sorry, and we I'm the more of the talker, you're less of the communicator, too much of a talker. Yeah, And then which is it's a great eventually talking about after a few you know, a few I mean we're talking about right away that we kind of like have to feel each other out energy wise for a couple of days, and then we start talking about it more a few days later because we realized we're all trapped and we had two kids, so you gotta work through it. And then the talks go. Some of them are very beneficial and some of them are very enlightening and we are able to understand each other's point of view. But that's out of five talks. Maybe two are that lovely, the other the other three. The other three because the other three, you know, because the thing with it and we make it work through humor. I think at the end of the day, you know, and I just don't pay a lot of attention to him, so that what happens is I I'm very black and white, you know, and when I'm done with the conversation, because I think we we already established the points and I'm clear we can stop. Eric is what a psychology? What do you have like a degree in psychology or something? So he's all about it's it's all about He's all about I don't know. He's always about the mind to him is very fascinating to talk about a fight a little bit, but my feelings, and he talks and talks about the same thing over and over. And I said, I got it already, having the same fight over and over and over now. But I don't know if it happens to you, Jena, that when he repeats himself over and over again, I go from understanding to know, I'm annoyed so I hear you, but it's you're now Mike in the situation, and I'm now Eric because I even today we had a we had it. We were we were fighting and um, you know, we were in bed. We we started the talk at I don't know what time was it early morning, like seven, and we we finished it around like noon, so like you know, it was but it was one of those where like I I repeat myself because I feel like he doesn't hear me or he doesn't empathize with me, and so I keep repeating until I feel empathy, and you know, he's like, you're annoying. I get it, but I'm like, but but like, like, why are you saying the same thing over because I'm like, because I don't think you understand because you weren't empathizing with my feelings. She just I'm just a beaten better dog. You know. I finally realized, like, okay, I actually hear you now after hour five of Coden Circles, you got my white flag is laving. Here's my empathy that they with. You know what with Eric at the beginning, he was so big and like you have to say sorry, you have to apologize, and and when you don't think you're wrong, or like I don't think I did anything to apologize for. It will give me a really hard time to comprehend why I have to back down and apologize. I haven't done anything. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean that that I'm wrong. Now, like after fifteen years, sometimes I just go let me just say I'm freaking sorry, and he'll get over it very Fastist when everybody has their truth of the situation, right, So like if if, if, if you did something that offended me, and what have I ever done that relative to a fight whatever that bothered me, it's easy just to be like, I understand you, I understand what I did. I'm sorry for that. I don't think I'm wrong. I didn't do anything wrong. In your mind, you didn't do anything wrong, but in my mind you did. I think you can go both ways, where you can just apologize and find the common ground. Apologizing doesn't have to admit fault. Yeah right, I guess, Okay, I'm sorry. Oh well, but here's the deal though. If I just say I'm sorry, he doesn't go ahead, go ah no, but you want more of like yeah, because when Jana says well, when I have to apologize to Janna, it's got to be I'm talking you turned on the Lifetime movie like I gotta be down and like, honey, I'm sorry. Like I could be hired as an actor maybe because of my apologies, Like they're fantastic. That's not her sorryes are like, hey, what's that player? I'm sorry? Alright, like pet on the butt and then like walks out the room and I'm like, no, no, no, no, not at all. Hey, you know, I love you guys. Hey, you guys have a podcast too that you're doing right, yes, said, is that so funny? It's a lot of fun And you know what's so funny? Um, I just did this um thing for the Latino market this this show this morning, and they were asking me, like, how do you get out of out of the podcast? And I said, you know what, it has become like a like a like a therapy session, you know, because we we talked about a lot of things that are kind of like intimate no one and and we are very real and we have worked out arguments while we do the podcast with a lot of humor, you know, and at the end it's it's very refreshing and we actually go like, you know what that was. That was fine, that was good, that was good, that's awesome. Good for you guys, well, good luck with that. And we appreciate you guys coming on ours and kind of doing the same thing with us. So Eric and Roslyn, thank you guys so much. And guys are awesome and we can we can say this, Okay, marriage is marriage is a is a good fight. Okay, it is. It is good luck. Thank you, Mama, thank you. Um. They're awesome. I love them so much and because they're real, yeah, it's yeah, there's so much fun. I feel like we could just have those kind of conversations with them all day. And I feel like they have an approached that we try to have to where there's humor behind it. It's like, especially then they've been married fifteen years, than't go anywhere we've been married five going on fifty, because it feels like it's been at least fifteen, so you know, we've earned our stripes too. It's just one of those things. It's we accept each other, we accept the marriage that we're in and we're just going to keep working at it. And this is our family is our life for sure, Hey, Mark, do we have any emails? Sure, dude, This is from Tracy, my boyfriend and I've been together for almost five years now. We've been living together since April. Last week, I opened our shared laptop and saw that he had left open a live cam girls site. There was still a message up from one of the girls from when he was left online. He was referring to him as baby and my love. He had not replied because I'm assuming he left before seeing it. When I look at his account, it says he's at v I P member status, so I think he must be going to the site and paying for webcam sessions often. When I confronted him, his defense is that he uses it as personalized porn, and all guys watch porn. I told him, I think it's a form of cheating because of the intimate conversations and sexual interactions with other girls. He argued it shouldn't matter because he never interacts with the girls outside of their sessions on the website. They don't know each of those real names, and the discussions are in no way serious. Ultimately, he said he doesn't agree, but he will no longer use camdrill websites because it hurts me. Should this count as cheating? Do all guys really watch porn? How can I trust that he's going to stop going to these websites instead of just making more of an effort not to get caught. I'm gonna let you guys take this one because I feel like this is really directed towards the dudes. The only thing that I can really say is if he's opening open to having something on a server like a Covenant Eyes, which is a UM the service for basically people to stop watching porn UM. It's kind of what they market UM for safe browsing. But not sure he would. You know, I would recommend that to a if you all are serious and he's serious and he's open to doing that for your safety. But that's all I really got on the side. He's just saying he would no longer use Camgro websites. He's not saying porn. And it doesn't look like she like if you just watching raer porn, doesn't seem like she would necessarily have an issue. She thinks the personalization of the Camgro websites she deems us cheating, which I would agree, Mark, What would you think is it cheating? I don't I think that you need to lay down your proper barriers, your proper limits, your proper you're agreed to barriers, because it's not I don't think. I don't think he cheated necessarily because in his mind, he wasn't cheating unless he was purposely trying to keep it from you, which it sounds like he was really bad at it. If he was, I would say, now that you know, now that he knows how you feel about it, we could start fresh. And so now it would be cheating if he did or maybe not cheating, a portray all of some sort. If he did it again, The question is can you trust him again? The question is are you gonna be constantly checking his browser history? Is he going to feel like he has to hide things from you, because then you're going down a really bad road. But if you feel like he's serious, because a lot of guys will do that, they'll say, um, okay, fine, I don't agree with you, but I'll do it anyway. They're just gonna go right back to it. They're gonna hide it from you because they don't see anything wrong with it. What they need to say is that they respect your opinion and they understand how you feel about it, and therefore they're not going to do it anymore. Because I don't I don't trust that he's not gonna do it anymore. I think he's just gonna hide it from you, and you can't live that way. You can't live knowing he might be doing it if he's out of your sight. And I don't think something like Covin and dies is something that he would be open to. Yeah, well for sure, because it is like, like to Mike's point, like he doesn't say he's gonna stop watching porn, He's just not going to do cam girls. Mark. I am curious though, just because I just I'm curious what what defines cheating to you? Hm hm, that's a good question because there is certainly gray area there. I think it's anything, because I do think it's that is a real person and it is real interaction. It's not physical and it's not like the touch, like actual touch, but it's still so I'm just when you said it wasn't, she I'm just and I'm not doing I'm not saying it's not I'm saying every relationship is different. There are women that love to watch cam girls with their man, I'm sure. So it's everything of a relationship is different. It's just about establishing parameters. Sure. Whether cheeting or not I think is up to her and she clearly sees it that way. I like it, Mike. What are your thoughts? Um? Yeah, I mean to to mirar what Mark said. They need to have a discussion on their boundaries around it. That way, it is fear, because my fear is so he does actually get off and growl websites and then he leaves up some kind of porn side or whatever she sees it, and then she gets on him about that, and then he'll then that'll instill fear in him where then he's like, well, you said, asked me to stop this, and I did, and now you're giving me about this other stuff. Like then he'll really want to start hiding. So this is an opportunity for both of them, like you said, Mark too, to have this discussion now painted out so it's black and white, and that way, no one's fears get validated on either side, because that's when the when fears start to get validated, that's when like secrecy starts to happen, lives start to happen because they feel like no matter what they do, they're going to get, you know, in trouble or hurt or whatever it may be, depending on what side you're on. And then to answer a question about do all guys really watch porn? I mean the fact of his no, But I understand the generalization around that because that's what I thought. You know, sure, and I think everyone's seen it. But when you get into a committed relationship, you have to understand what the other person thinks it's okay, what they don't think it is okay. Right, Yeah, well, set boundaries, communicate about it, and then trust. Yeah, no choice but to trust if you're gonna stay in it. Yeah, exactly. Um, I love you guys, this is fun. Thanks for everything. It's great to be back. I love you. Bye, see you guys,