Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

So you guys this uh this week. Don't worry. I'm not going to start with by the way, I kind of liked it. I laughed at I did. I did listen back because I just kind of wanted to hear the flow of the show last week because people were saying they were loving it. So I was like, all right, let's listen back, see like what you know, what was good, what was working, you know whatever? But when when christ and when you go is this are we going to say this is the end of the show. Now, this is where we say goodbye. Well we love a marker. I just love that. So you know, I have notes because but I for my my host chat and then I'm only bringing this up not to go in the order again. But I'm not doing that. You're listening to wind down. Yes, but I'm having a hard time separating my host chat from my wine about it because I feel like they've blend together.

So you guys this uh this week. Don't worry. I'm not going to start with by the way, I kind of liked it. I laughed at I did. I did listen back because I just kind of wanted to hear the flow of the show last week because people were saying they were loving it. So I was like, all right, let's listen back, see like what you know, what was good, what was working, you know whatever? But when when christ and when you go is this are we going to say this is the end of the show. Now, this is where we say goodbye. Well we love a marker. I just love that. So you know, I have notes because but I for my my host chat and then I'm only bringing this up not to go in the order again. But I'm not doing that. You're listening to wind down. Yes, but I'm having a hard time separating my host chat from my wine about it because I feel like they've blend together.

I was trying to figure out where I pinned my items for discussion.

I was trying to figure out where I pinned my items for discussion.

Because I feel like it's just going to be a constant. Didn't whine That's how I felt last week. You weren't whining though, those were like really right, they were hard, but it is kind of hard to like, hey, what's going on with your week?

Because I feel like it's just going to be a constant. Didn't whine That's how I felt last week. You weren't whining though, those were like really right, they were hard, but it is kind of hard to like, hey, what's going on with your week?

But then it's like, you know, so it is kind of hard to.

But then it's like, you know, so it is kind of hard to.

Maybe it's like a little bit of a hybrid. Yeah it is. And I think I'm on my period. It's been raining all three you're all now on your parents.

Maybe it's like a little bit of a hybrid. Yeah it is. And I think I'm on my period. It's been raining all three you're all now on your parents.

I started on Friday, Saturday, Saturday night, Ambush Saturday night and pretty jam you were usually Sunday. I was, well, I'm actually extra proud of us, wow, because you guys can we Actually I don't know where.

I started on Friday, Saturday, Saturday night, Ambush Saturday night and pretty jam you were usually Sunday. I was, well, I'm actually extra proud of us, wow, because you guys can we Actually I don't know where.

I don't know where to put this either, but.

I don't know where to put this either, but.

On the periods, I just am wondering because I know I'm only like a little bit older, but by a year, right, you being like older than us, Yeah, not by much, just forty three, right, so only a couple forty one? Yeah yeah, yeah, so but I know that in the forty two years carry the one the remainder of this is why we talk instead of doing math for a living. So I have heard though, in the forties, like every year kind of counts when it comes to like perimenopausal symptoms and like all of that, Like people are like, Wow, you know it hit me at forty four, it hit me at forty two, whatever have you. I need to know because I can tell my feelings and hormones are wiling out right before it happens. I know it because I'm like, this feels like that, but there's nobody in my brain telling me, don't say it. Christin, Oh, we've talked about this and it's gotten so much worse. I don't know, in fact embarrassing. Yeah, and I'm ravenously eating. I knew something was up Friday because I just was. It was like, couldn't get enough same.

On the periods, I just am wondering because I know I'm only like a little bit older, but by a year, right, you being like older than us, Yeah, not by much, just forty three, right, so only a couple forty one? Yeah yeah, yeah, so but I know that in the forty two years carry the one the remainder of this is why we talk instead of doing math for a living. So I have heard though, in the forties, like every year kind of counts when it comes to like perimenopausal symptoms and like all of that, Like people are like, Wow, you know it hit me at forty four, it hit me at forty two, whatever have you. I need to know because I can tell my feelings and hormones are wiling out right before it happens. I know it because I'm like, this feels like that, but there's nobody in my brain telling me, don't say it. Christin, Oh, we've talked about this and it's gotten so much worse. I don't know, in fact embarrassing. Yeah, and I'm ravenously eating. I knew something was up Friday because I just was. It was like, couldn't get enough same.

I had a whole bag of set chips because I just needed the salt.

I had a whole bag of set chips because I just needed the salt.

I went to Jimmy John's first time in seven years freaky fast. Did you see Mike and the kids because they're every day?

I went to Jimmy John's first time in seven years freaky fast. Did you see Mike and the kids because they're every day?

Didn't?

Didn't?

I sure didn't. I'm gonna just hold all of my jokes. I feel like that was really good discernment. I just feel like it's like so hormonally driven. It's almost like I don't know who I am in the moment.

I sure didn't. I'm gonna just hold all of my jokes. I feel like that was really good discernment. I just feel like it's like so hormonally driven. It's almost like I don't know who I am in the moment.

Yeah, I went through a really bad phase of that. Mine's gotten a little bit better, So I don't know what that means. But I went through a really bad phase of it. I mean, even like my whole family kind of knew.

Yeah, I went through a really bad phase of that. Mine's gotten a little bit better, So I don't know what that means. But I went through a really bad phase of it. I mean, even like my whole family kind of knew.

I mean, Preston even was trying to be kind last night, but he said, baby, I like it when you settle in a couple of days in He's like, it's just really like a different version of you. And I I know. And I didn't even deny it or snap. I just said, I know, you explained it perfectly. It's like, you know, and it's like, don't say that, don't say.

I mean, Preston even was trying to be kind last night, but he said, baby, I like it when you settle in a couple of days in He's like, it's just really like a different version of you. And I I know. And I didn't even deny it or snap. I just said, I know, you explained it perfectly. It's like, you know, and it's like, don't say that, don't say.

That, but you say it anyway. That's how I know. Like, I mean, I hear it coming out of my mouth and I know how ridiculous it is.

That, but you say it anyway. That's how I know. Like, I mean, I hear it coming out of my mouth and I know how ridiculous it is.

And don't you cringe a little?

And don't you cringe a little?

But also my pride is so big or something that even the cringing can't stop me.

But also my pride is so big or something that even the cringing can't stop me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh it's a weird thing.

Oh it's a weird thing.

Yeah, I feel like a few days before it's mine is a few days before yeah, my period where i feel like I'm just squeezing everything in to not explode, and then it explodes. And then I go, let me go check my flow tracker and I'm like, four days until period. I'm like, well that tracks so yeah, yeah, and then I do my apologies. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, and sometimes I don't. Yeah, yeah, that's okay.

Yeah, I feel like a few days before it's mine is a few days before yeah, my period where i feel like I'm just squeezing everything in to not explode, and then it explodes. And then I go, let me go check my flow tracker and I'm like, four days until period. I'm like, well that tracks so yeah, yeah, and then I do my apologies. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, and sometimes I don't. Yeah, yeah, that's okay.

We now have I mean I had someone actually say to me one time, like, you probably shouldn't have shared that about your daughter, that she's on her paper. I'm like, she's thirteen, like at this point, like we all know like that it's human and it's life or whatever. But in our house, it's like we'll come home from a cheer practice and Nick will literally go, so did you both start your period? Because we're just like yelling at each other.

We now have I mean I had someone actually say to me one time, like, you probably shouldn't have shared that about your daughter, that she's on her paper. I'm like, she's thirteen, like at this point, like we all know like that it's human and it's life or whatever. But in our house, it's like we'll come home from a cheer practice and Nick will literally go, so did you both start your period? Because we're just like yelling at each other.

So once I'm on it, I'm fine, I'm I'm tired, but that's about it.

So once I'm on it, I'm fine, I'm I'm tired, but that's about it.

So she usually is a few days before me, so hers will be like when she first, she'll be a little bit more emotion and a little bit cranky, and then I'm usually behind her, so it's like it it lines up perfectly for me to be a few days before and then it's just like, okay, these are the days we I just need to not take you to practice and we need to not be in the car for forty five minutes the worst.

So she usually is a few days before me, so hers will be like when she first, she'll be a little bit more emotion and a little bit cranky, and then I'm usually behind her, so it's like it it lines up perfectly for me to be a few days before and then it's just like, okay, these are the days we I just need to not take you to practice and we need to not be in the car for forty five minutes the worst.

I feel like before I used to have this really strong part of me as a fifty to fifty split half of me was like girl, you're going crazy, and the other half was like, ah, we know what this is. Let's just table that, don't say it out loud. Whoever that girl is is gone now, and she is she is replaced fully with some fighter like she whoever came in is.

I feel like before I used to have this really strong part of me as a fifty to fifty split half of me was like girl, you're going crazy, and the other half was like, ah, we know what this is. Let's just table that, don't say it out loud. Whoever that girl is is gone now, and she is she is replaced fully with some fighter like she whoever came in is.

She's a badass, but she's full of regret. Full of regret.

She's a badass, but she's full of regret. Full of regret.

That's funny.

That's funny.

Well, I will just segue this into I was watching your story, Kristen and the the Glove that you found on. So we just finished the OJ documentary I started out last time. I have sigo to ask you, Yeah, did you watched it? Yeah? No, okay, well we finished watching it. I had such a hard time. I'm falling asleep the night that we finished it because what he told his agent just literally kept me up at night. It was just wild to me. Did you do I mean to say what he said?

Well, I will just segue this into I was watching your story, Kristen and the the Glove that you found on. So we just finished the OJ documentary I started out last time. I have sigo to ask you, Yeah, did you watched it? Yeah? No, okay, well we finished watching it. I had such a hard time. I'm falling asleep the night that we finished it because what he told his agent just literally kept me up at night. It was just wild to me. Did you do I mean to say what he said?

I don't care about spoiler to everybody if you don't want to know.

I don't care about spoiler to everybody if you don't want to know.

Spoiler alert also history also out there too. Yeah yeah, but he said basically, they were talking and he said to the agent. You know, OJ said to his agent, do you think I did it? And the agent goes, this was that moment where I do I fall on the no man, like you know, the agent, just the yes person, whatever he goes. But I'm going to tell him the truth. And he said, yes, I actually do think that you did. And he kind of looked away, I guess, and then said, man, if a quote unque. I don't know what the actual quote was, but this was as close as I can get to it. He said, if only if she didn't show up to the door with a knife in her hand, she'd still be alive today. And that's what he said. And I go to just that thought of how a narcissist explains that there's no way like, yes, she was. I mean from the nine one one calls that she had called on him before and the domestic abuse that he did to her there, I have a hard time believing that he didn't go there just to kill her. I have a hard time. I feel like a narcissist would say he literally blamed her for opening the door with a knife, like that's how I'm like, I just and it just made me so angry. I agree. And it's a haunting. Yeah, it was just such a.

Spoiler alert also history also out there too. Yeah yeah, but he said basically, they were talking and he said to the agent. You know, OJ said to his agent, do you think I did it? And the agent goes, this was that moment where I do I fall on the no man, like you know, the agent, just the yes person, whatever he goes. But I'm going to tell him the truth. And he said, yes, I actually do think that you did. And he kind of looked away, I guess, and then said, man, if a quote unque. I don't know what the actual quote was, but this was as close as I can get to it. He said, if only if she didn't show up to the door with a knife in her hand, she'd still be alive today. And that's what he said. And I go to just that thought of how a narcissist explains that there's no way like, yes, she was. I mean from the nine one one calls that she had called on him before and the domestic abuse that he did to her there, I have a hard time believing that he didn't go there just to kill her. I have a hard time. I feel like a narcissist would say he literally blamed her for opening the door with a knife, like that's how I'm like, I just and it just made me so angry. I agree. And it's a haunting. Yeah, it was just such a.

It was such a narcissists way to frame it. It was the way it was framed when I saw how is this her fault? You've made this her fault?

It was such a narcissists way to frame it. It was the way it was framed when I saw how is this her fault? You've made this her fault?

Yeah, And it was just so sad to just what there were so many things that weren't put into evidence, and then how they twisted the case. I mean, I didn't know any of that. I just because I'm like, God, I don't even want to watch this. We know what happens. It's like the Titan, you know, whatever. But then you watch it and you're just like, this wasn't put into evidence. This wasn't and they turned it into this, and it's just it was just maddening.

Yeah, And it was just so sad to just what there were so many things that weren't put into evidence, and then how they twisted the case. I mean, I didn't know any of that. I just because I'm like, God, I don't even want to watch this. We know what happens. It's like the Titan, you know, whatever. But then you watch it and you're just like, this wasn't put into evidence. This wasn't and they turned it into this, and it's just it was just maddening.

It's scary to think how. I understand why it's there, obviously, but it's scary to think how that can change so much what what is not allowed in evidence, what you can talk about, what you can't talk about, and that can change the trajectory of a huge lawsuit like that. I mean, it's crazy, our huge trial. It's also weird.

It's scary to think how. I understand why it's there, obviously, but it's scary to think how that can change so much what what is not allowed in evidence, what you can talk about, what you can't talk about, and that can change the trajectory of a huge lawsuit like that. I mean, it's crazy, our huge trial. It's also weird.

I really am going to sound dumb, but I'm just gonna throw myself under the bus. But I didn't realize the difference in like the federal case, in the.

I really am going to sound dumb, but I'm just gonna throw myself under the bus. But I didn't realize the difference in like the federal case, in the.

Civil criminal and civil. Basically he got criminal and civil.

Civil criminal and civil. Basically he got criminal and civil.

Is that what it is?

Is that what it is?

This was the civil after it was after and they said, yes, he he did it, but then he just you know, the the the sister of the other victim was like, and then he just walked away and got into his car and we haven't received a penny mind me.

This was the civil after it was after and they said, yes, he he did it, but then he just you know, the the the sister of the other victim was like, and then he just walked away and got into his car and we haven't received a penny mind me.

So he this is where I'm going to sound remind So he was convicted.

So he this is where I'm going to sound remind So he was convicted.

Or oj in the civil case, in the civil but not the criminal, not the criminal, so criminal he was let off and then they did if it didn't quit right right, So then civil though, they said he did, and then that was just it. Yeah, he was order to pay like thirty three million dollars.

Or oj in the civil case, in the civil but not the criminal, not the criminal, so criminal he was let off and then they did if it didn't quit right right, So then civil though, they said he did, and then that was just it. Yeah, he was order to pay like thirty three million dollars.

And then okay, yeah, yeah, gosh. I just feel like, yeah, that's well.

And then okay, yeah, yeah, gosh. I just feel like, yeah, that's well.

We were also young when it happened, so I think it is like I remember obviously some of it, but I don't.

We were also young when it happened, so I think it is like I remember obviously some of it, but I don't.

I didn't know as much and I shouldn't remember watching the verdict in our seventh grade science class and oh wow, yeah, isn't that insane?

I didn't know as much and I shouldn't remember watching the verdict in our seventh grade science class and oh wow, yeah, isn't that insane?

That ist like we shouldn't have been.

That ist like we shouldn't have been.

Watching right in seventh grade it was seventh or eighth grade whatever it was. But I just remember the teacher being like, this is history and we need to like put this on Yeah. I think as I watched, and then in high school it was the towers, because the towers I remember that turn it on and we saw the plane go, and I mean it was just like woof ty.

Watching right in seventh grade it was seventh or eighth grade whatever it was. But I just remember the teacher being like, this is history and we need to like put this on Yeah. I think as I watched, and then in high school it was the towers, because the towers I remember that turn it on and we saw the plane go, and I mean it was just like woof ty.

Yeah, I don't think they would look that now. I don't think.

Yeah, I don't think they would look that now. I don't think.

I don't know.

I don't know.

There's a lot that they wouldn't do now. I think what was wild to me is just the lack of remorse. It felt like because there was a celebration when he was found not guilty, and I thought, yet, still the wife of your children is dead.

There's a lot that they wouldn't do now. I think what was wild to me is just the lack of remorse. It felt like because there was a celebration when he was found not guilty, and I thought, yet, still the wife of your children is dead.

So that was the wildest part for me. I guess I didn't.

So that was the wildest part for me. I guess I didn't.

I mean just because we were young, I probably didn't know, and because social media wasn't so wild, so we probably weren't getting everything as fast. But I was blown away that were like celebrating his freedom. Fine, but we're celebrating freedom from you still have a dead ex wife, the mother of your children, and your children were in the house when it happened.

I mean just because we were young, I probably didn't know, and because social media wasn't so wild, so we probably weren't getting everything as fast. But I was blown away that were like celebrating his freedom. Fine, but we're celebrating freedom from you still have a dead ex wife, the mother of your children, and your children were in the house when it happened.

Wild.

Wild.

Yeah, nothing's the same no matter what.

Yeah, nothing's the same no matter what.

And because of you, I started out last, Oh oh are and I didn't think I was gonna like it.

And because of you, I started out last, Oh oh are and I didn't think I was gonna like it.

Okay.

Okay.

One thing that is hard is if you fall asleep, it's very hard to figure out what your because it all looks the same. It's wild out there, right, you haven't watched it, no, but I feel like those are all kind of the same, right, trying to survive. Yeah, I was mind a survivor. I want to watch season two. I didn't watch season one. In season two, Oh, there's two seasons. What season am I watching?

One thing that is hard is if you fall asleep, it's very hard to figure out what your because it all looks the same. It's wild out there, right, you haven't watched it, no, but I feel like those are all kind of the same, right, trying to survive. Yeah, I was mind a survivor. I want to watch season two. I didn't watch season one. In season two, Oh, there's two seasons. What season am I watching?

I don't know. Probably watch the Little Ladies Jill in your cast, which who she paired with? The blonde Jill No from Kentucky. Jill. Oh, I think we had different on different I need to get in season one season one.

I don't know. Probably watch the Little Ladies Jill in your cast, which who she paired with? The blonde Jill No from Kentucky. Jill. Oh, I think we had different on different I need to get in season one season one.

Can we just send like a group chat or what we're going to be watching so I can get on that.

Can we just send like a group chat or what we're going to be watching so I can get on that.

I would like to bring this up in the host chat discussion because we are snuggled inside of host chat for anyone that's longer. We are still a host chat. But it's about something. Okay, it was something that just I had a you know, I'm a host chat idea, and I was watching this show last night. So what were we watching? We were watching, Oh, we were watching Paradise because there was a new episode, so we watched that and then Alan was tired, so I was stayed on Hulu, and I was like, oh, there's a new Kardashians out, so I'm going to watch Kardashians. So I watched the new episode and it was there was just the one that you could watch, and so I watched it, and I love Chloe, right, and so I just I'm always like, you know, I love just watching her storylines. And it was a very big Chloe storyline because Lamar came on the show and so it was part one of her talking to Lamar and obviously, you know, they were married for almost seven years and you know, he ended up. I believe it was overdosing at a brothel and then she took care of him and then they got divorced. And Malika had said something and Milika, right, yeah, okay, she had said something. She's like, you know, the love. She's like, when you love someone, the love will always be there and you'll always love that person. And they just got me thinking, I'm like about that because you know how when you break up with someone they say like I'll always love you, or there's even songs about it. Right, But then I just kind of really started thinking about it because I'm like, I have zero love for my ex Mike if you're listening to them. But I don't like I know this like being in love and like love, but I don't love. I don't. I don't have any love for him, like I don't. When she's like, you'll always love that person, I don't love that person, I would.

I would like to bring this up in the host chat discussion because we are snuggled inside of host chat for anyone that's longer. We are still a host chat. But it's about something. Okay, it was something that just I had a you know, I'm a host chat idea, and I was watching this show last night. So what were we watching? We were watching, Oh, we were watching Paradise because there was a new episode, so we watched that and then Alan was tired, so I was stayed on Hulu, and I was like, oh, there's a new Kardashians out, so I'm going to watch Kardashians. So I watched the new episode and it was there was just the one that you could watch, and so I watched it, and I love Chloe, right, and so I just I'm always like, you know, I love just watching her storylines. And it was a very big Chloe storyline because Lamar came on the show and so it was part one of her talking to Lamar and obviously, you know, they were married for almost seven years and you know, he ended up. I believe it was overdosing at a brothel and then she took care of him and then they got divorced. And Malika had said something and Milika, right, yeah, okay, she had said something. She's like, you know, the love. She's like, when you love someone, the love will always be there and you'll always love that person. And they just got me thinking, I'm like about that because you know how when you break up with someone they say like I'll always love you, or there's even songs about it. Right, But then I just kind of really started thinking about it because I'm like, I have zero love for my ex Mike if you're listening to them. But I don't like I know this like being in love and like love, but I don't love. I don't. I don't have any love for him, like I don't. When she's like, you'll always love that person, I don't love that person, I would.

Agree, I I don't know that I I how do I say this without I don't feel like you don't what do you mean? I feel like if something were to happen to Mike tomorrow, you would be there and you would help him out. That doesn't mean as a form of love. That is a form of love.

Agree, I I don't know that I I how do I say this without I don't feel like you don't what do you mean? I feel like if something were to happen to Mike tomorrow, you would be there and you would help him out. That doesn't mean as a form of love. That is a form of love.

Right now, No, because he's also part of my wine about it.

Right now, No, because he's also part of my wine about it.

So but I think deep down there is still but that that's I don't think that's love though, like how they're saying, sure you, but I think that there's I see both sides to that, like.

So but I think deep down there is still but that that's I don't think that's love though, like how they're saying, sure you, but I think that there's I see both sides to that, like.

You'll always love this person, and I do see what you're saying. I will, I will always be there to help. But that's not out of love, that's just out of like I guess when I hear her say, you know, I can see how you're taking it right, So I do get that piece of it, But I guess I hear it as like you'll always love that person, and I just disagree with that piece of it.

You'll always love this person, and I do see what you're saying. I will, I will always be there to help. But that's not out of love, that's just out of like I guess when I hear her say, you know, I can see how you're taking it right, So I do get that piece of it, But I guess I hear it as like you'll always love that person, and I just disagree with that piece of it.

This is interesting, as I would consider myself the care bear of the group. I would agree with you, Kramer, interesting because I had an ex husband and I do not love him, right, I don't feel And maybe it is because now we have such a huge love that we know the difference. But to your to go to what Catherine saying though, So what she's saying like, if he needed you, you're obviously gonna be there.

This is interesting, as I would consider myself the care bear of the group. I would agree with you, Kramer, interesting because I had an ex husband and I do not love him, right, I don't feel And maybe it is because now we have such a huge love that we know the difference. But to your to go to what Catherine saying though, So what she's saying like, if he needed you, you're obviously gonna be there.

No, but I don't have to because I don't have kids with him. Right. But let's say you impressed and got divorced. Let's just say, okay, put yourself in that situation. Pet is something dirty and you guys got divorced, right, and that person that you always thought you were going to love, where does that look like? And if he needs you, you're going to obviously help him. But to me, that's still not I know it's not. I do it because I'm just the mom and I I care, but I don't. It's not it's not a like I mean, I see what you're saying. I'm struggling on that piece.

No, but I don't have to because I don't have kids with him. Right. But let's say you impressed and got divorced. Let's just say, okay, put yourself in that situation. Pet is something dirty and you guys got divorced, right, and that person that you always thought you were going to love, where does that look like? And if he needs you, you're going to obviously help him. But to me, that's still not I know it's not. I do it because I'm just the mom and I I care, but I don't. It's not it's not a like I mean, I see what you're saying. I'm struggling on that piece.

I see both sides to me, it feels almost like there's still a hate spot in there, a little bit not hate.

I see both sides to me, it feels almost like there's still a hate spot in there, a little bit not hate.

But like I have a massive resentment right but to I don't hate anyone, Yeah, resentment.

But like I have a massive resentment right but to I don't hate anyone, Yeah, resentment.

Hat but there's I think that there's so much of that that's still kind of a form of love in a way. And I can think about people close to me that I could say I don't really feel like I have that much love for them, but I think if I really went down deep into it, there is still a form of love that.

Hat but there's I think that there's so much of that that's still kind of a form of love in a way. And I can think about people close to me that I could say I don't really feel like I have that much love for them, but I think if I really went down deep into it, there is still a form of love that.

I mean, I like, I like the flip side of that, you know, I don't dislike, do you still have love for the person that you loved before? I think so, Like I have love for like my ex high school boyfriend. I was just like you guys say, I have a box in my thing and I was trying to clean up my wind down stuff and I'm reading these notes and he's like, I will always love you, which made me like, you know, I'm just starting just to read them because I'm like these first made me laugh, But then I was also like, you know, I'm like, where does that love go? You know, I'm like, because I'm like, I have love for my heart always for him because he was my first and like I and now he has a beautiful family and I love that for him, and I love you know, his I love his wife, and I love you know, will always have I will always have love for him. But I don't feel the same for Mike. Does it have to do maybe an equal parts hurt.

I mean, I like, I like the flip side of that, you know, I don't dislike, do you still have love for the person that you loved before? I think so, Like I have love for like my ex high school boyfriend. I was just like you guys say, I have a box in my thing and I was trying to clean up my wind down stuff and I'm reading these notes and he's like, I will always love you, which made me like, you know, I'm just starting just to read them because I'm like these first made me laugh, But then I was also like, you know, I'm like, where does that love go? You know, I'm like, because I'm like, I have love for my heart always for him because he was my first and like I and now he has a beautiful family and I love that for him, and I love you know, his I love his wife, and I love you know, will always have I will always have love for him. But I don't feel the same for Mike. Does it have to do maybe an equal parts hurt.

I feel like there's just still anger because she said like heavy, I mean, listen, I also that way about my house.

I feel like there's just still anger because she said like heavy, I mean, listen, I also that way about my house.

How can you love someone that hurt you so bad?

How can you love someone that hurt you so bad?

Well, I think that's why it hurts so bad.

Well, I think that's why it hurts so bad.

But then how is their love to me if.

But then how is their love to me if.

You still have some sort of resentment or an anger or even a feeling towards that person. In my mind, that's rooted in love?

You still have some sort of resentment or an anger or even a feeling towards that person. In my mind, that's rooted in love?

No, no, no, that is rude. I don't I don't like him.

No, no, no, that is rude. I don't I don't like him.

I feel like he wouldn't care if you did in some way and not in an in love at all.

I feel like he wouldn't care if you did in some way and not in an in love at all.

The things that he did to me, that some things I can't disclose. I can't find love for a person like that.

The things that he did to me, that some things I can't disclose. I can't find love for a person like that.

And I hear, I mean, I agree, I'm not disagreeing with that.

And I hear, I mean, I agree, I'm not disagreeing with that.

I just but I will always help if needed, and whatever I think. Caring about him maybe and not loving him. It's it's just the thing that we would do like I would always be I always be there, you know, out of respect that he's the father of my children, of two of my children, you know.

I just but I will always help if needed, and whatever I think. Caring about him maybe and not loving him. It's it's just the thing that we would do like I would always be I always be there, you know, out of respect that he's the father of my children, of two of my children, you know.

And maybe you truly don't and I'm not just but I do see your side, you.

And maybe you truly don't and I'm not just but I do see your side, you.

Know what I mean, Because when you said that, I'm like, well, I don't feel that way, you know, but I but I also love your point of view on it, because of course I would be there for them if you needed me. Is that love? I don't know.

Know what I mean, Because when you said that, I'm like, well, I don't feel that way, you know, but I but I also love your point of view on it, because of course I would be there for them if you needed me. Is that love? I don't know.

Yeah, that's a you know, a good that's a really good question.

Yeah, that's a you know, a good that's a really good question.

It's something that I can. I can. But I also then go to the flip side of well, how I know that they they're are in their own stuff or whatever, and that's why they do X, Y and Z. But can you still care without the love? Because that's where I think I'd be at.

It's something that I can. I can. But I also then go to the flip side of well, how I know that they they're are in their own stuff or whatever, and that's why they do X, Y and Z. But can you still care without the love? Because that's where I think I'd be at.

Can you still care without the love? And probably? Yeah?

Can you still care without the love? And probably? Yeah?

I think I have compassion, yeah, but I don't have love. That's yeah, empathy, Yeah, that's fair.

I think I have compassion, yeah, but I don't have love. That's yeah, empathy, Yeah, that's fair.

Yeah, Like I don't want anything bad to happen to that partly the same I actually I like his I would like to be like we are friends, but there is no love. Either's care and friendship but no love.

Yeah, Like I don't want anything bad to happen to that partly the same I actually I like his I would like to be like we are friends, but there is no love. Either's care and friendship but no love.

Yeah, I think that your friends.

Yeah, I think that your friends.

Of course, I love my friends, do Ukramer tell.

Of course, I love my friends, do Ukramer tell.

Us, well, the other side of it, but friends.

Us, well, the other side of it, but friends.

But no, we would not be friends if we didn't share kids.

But no, we would not be friends if we didn't share kids.

Well, that's true. That that I can agree with. You definitely would not.

Well, that's true. That that I can agree with. You definitely would not.

Yeah, so that is a forced friendship. Yeah, for sure, like you don't have a choice. I expect incline to him absolutely because of the kids. But if not, if we didn't have kids, I would never look Oh, I would never look in his direction ever.

Yeah, so that is a forced friendship. Yeah, for sure, like you don't have a choice. I expect incline to him absolutely because of the kids. But if not, if we didn't have kids, I would never look Oh, I would never look in his direction ever.

Again, I definitely believe that that's a good topic though.

Again, I definitely believe that that's a good topic though.

I like that. I would like to say that it's I have care and compassionate without the love, and I don't think that the love will always be there. But I can definitely see your point of view on your side, and I appreciate you bringing.

I like that. I would like to say that it's I have care and compassionate without the love, and I don't think that the love will always be there. But I can definitely see your point of view on your side, and I appreciate you bringing.

That up, especially me because I'm usually the heartless one.

That up, especially me because I'm usually the heartless one.

Meanwhile, the care beer is like maybe the caremera is on her beard. Next note, I just really moved him along, didn't.

Meanwhile, the care beer is like maybe the caremera is on her beard. Next note, I just really moved him along, didn't.

Before we move into wine about it? Is there anything you guys want to say? I have life updates? No, yeah, okay, moving on to next I love good narration. Guys, I am struggling. Oh no, I feel like this is all like my stuff. Sometimes it was all me.

Before we move into wine about it? Is there anything you guys want to say? I have life updates? No, yeah, okay, moving on to next I love good narration. Guys, I am struggling. Oh no, I feel like this is all like my stuff. Sometimes it was all me.

So let's go.

So let's go.

I forget though that we are recording and I really mean that, Like I said that to Janna when I got here.

I forget though that we are recording and I really mean that, Like I said that to Janna when I got here.

I was like, okay, Like.

I was like, okay, Like.

I just really got me. I was like, oh man, did I really say all that. Well, we do talk like this and we this is us.

I just really got me. I was like, oh man, did I really say all that. Well, we do talk like this and we this is us.

This is us.

This is us.

I had a moment where I was like, I got to read some time. Put it in the back of my mind.

I had a moment where I was like, I got to read some time. Put it in the back of my mind.

I know that's okay, tell us time.

I know that's okay, tell us time.

Yeah, this is so period. Cry come over there, and I feel like it's remember when I did that first episode post baby and I was doing like that was the worst decision of my life because I was crying over a butcher Box ad. But this one is like, yes, it's period. But I also, I had therapy yesterday and I was just telling her. I was like, I can't get my mind to like shut off, and there's so many things that are you know, sometimes when you're you have so much kind of like circulating in your brain that your brain almost hurts, you know, And then Alan's like, hey, you just you know, are you good? Like you just seem a little distant. I'm like, yeah, I was like, I just I couldn't filter through all the different kind of thoughts running through my brain. And so we sat in therapy and we we went through She's like, all right, well, let's do it now, you know, and so I just kind of started going down the list and it's it all led to the feeling of just alone. Right, So I feel like I'm alone in dealing with a lot of these issues, and so you know, the first part of it was and it's really around the kids too, and so this I feel like, I'm just like I need to just like wrap this in a bow. But like first and foremost, and this is why I called you yesterday because so we are so behind on vaccinations, like so so so behind, and we've only done too and when I've been kind of delaying this appointment because I knew the doctor was going to make me do a vaccination or we would have to leave the clinic essentially since we're so behind. And the last time that we went in, I essentially got blamed for him having ear infections because I didn't vaccinate him, and I didn't like how that felt because when you google it, it says that you know, children who are not vaccinated it could cause more ear infections. But for some reason, there was something in me that just was like I was, I got turned off by that comment, and so it didn't make me want to go back to that office because I'm like, you just blamed me for my child having an ear infection. So like I didn't like that. I don't even know why I'm crying, but like it just made me feel like like a bad mom or something, and so I was like, Okay, So that just like kind of like sat with me, and I've been delaying the appointment, and I get so overwhelmed because I'm like, I know he needs so many vaccinations, but I'm also like there's I don't know if I trust them all, and like there's so many and it's like I just know so many stories. I'm I'm a firm believer that Jolie's some of Jolie's issues were caused by a potential side effect from vaccines when she was a baby. So I've just been so I delayed with Jays and with Roman. I'm just like there's so much out there that I'm like, I don't know what is, what I should give, what I shouldn't give, And then it just makes me feel like frickin helpless because I'm like, we have a neighbor that has a highly autistic son, and I'm not saying I'm not saying vaccinations cause autism. I'm not. I'm like, but I also would like more science or we'd still be giving our kids cocaine and whatever. I saw this one thing, like what was it? And you know, yeah, or in cough syrup. So I'm like, I believe in signs evolving and us you know, looking into that more. And so it was just like having to like do that call and then like not you know, not knowing what the right move on that is, and like just kind of feeling alone in that. And I know I can bring Allan in on that, but he's also very much like whatever I think, right, So though he has he doesn't think that Romans should be getting all of those you know, he's so he's definitely there. So I know I'm not alone, but the feeling makes me feel alone. And then, like Julie got her official diagnosis of dyslexia, Mike didn't show up to the meeting so I'm in the meeting with all the teachers, the vice principal, and I'm like, again I feel alone. And I'm like, which is.

Yeah, this is so period. Cry come over there, and I feel like it's remember when I did that first episode post baby and I was doing like that was the worst decision of my life because I was crying over a butcher Box ad. But this one is like, yes, it's period. But I also, I had therapy yesterday and I was just telling her. I was like, I can't get my mind to like shut off, and there's so many things that are you know, sometimes when you're you have so much kind of like circulating in your brain that your brain almost hurts, you know, And then Alan's like, hey, you just you know, are you good? Like you just seem a little distant. I'm like, yeah, I was like, I just I couldn't filter through all the different kind of thoughts running through my brain. And so we sat in therapy and we we went through She's like, all right, well, let's do it now, you know, and so I just kind of started going down the list and it's it all led to the feeling of just alone. Right, So I feel like I'm alone in dealing with a lot of these issues, and so you know, the first part of it was and it's really around the kids too, and so this I feel like, I'm just like I need to just like wrap this in a bow. But like first and foremost, and this is why I called you yesterday because so we are so behind on vaccinations, like so so so behind, and we've only done too and when I've been kind of delaying this appointment because I knew the doctor was going to make me do a vaccination or we would have to leave the clinic essentially since we're so behind. And the last time that we went in, I essentially got blamed for him having ear infections because I didn't vaccinate him, and I didn't like how that felt because when you google it, it says that you know, children who are not vaccinated it could cause more ear infections. But for some reason, there was something in me that just was like I was, I got turned off by that comment, and so it didn't make me want to go back to that office because I'm like, you just blamed me for my child having an ear infection. So like I didn't like that. I don't even know why I'm crying, but like it just made me feel like like a bad mom or something, and so I was like, Okay, So that just like kind of like sat with me, and I've been delaying the appointment, and I get so overwhelmed because I'm like, I know he needs so many vaccinations, but I'm also like there's I don't know if I trust them all, and like there's so many and it's like I just know so many stories. I'm I'm a firm believer that Jolie's some of Jolie's issues were caused by a potential side effect from vaccines when she was a baby. So I've just been so I delayed with Jays and with Roman. I'm just like there's so much out there that I'm like, I don't know what is, what I should give, what I shouldn't give, And then it just makes me feel like frickin helpless because I'm like, we have a neighbor that has a highly autistic son, and I'm not saying I'm not saying vaccinations cause autism. I'm not. I'm like, but I also would like more science or we'd still be giving our kids cocaine and whatever. I saw this one thing, like what was it? And you know, yeah, or in cough syrup. So I'm like, I believe in signs evolving and us you know, looking into that more. And so it was just like having to like do that call and then like not you know, not knowing what the right move on that is, and like just kind of feeling alone in that. And I know I can bring Allan in on that, but he's also very much like whatever I think, right, So though he has he doesn't think that Romans should be getting all of those you know, he's so he's definitely there. So I know I'm not alone, but the feeling makes me feel alone. And then, like Julie got her official diagnosis of dyslexia, Mike didn't show up to the meeting so I'm in the meeting with all the teachers, the vice principal, and I'm like, again I feel alone. And I'm like, which is.

A core belief that you and I have talked about a lot, that we can't trust people, that they won't show up for us, that we have to do it alone. Yeah, And so I was like, so so these things hissed, Like I hearing all this stuff about my like where is my other king person? And I knew like I got I got a home and I just cried and I was like what, Like he didn't show up and I'm like he must have forgot, like, and so I was so upset because it's like all this information and then again I somehow feel at fault, which I know is not my fault, but like all this stuff has been like thrown be guys, I'm so sorry.

A core belief that you and I have talked about a lot, that we can't trust people, that they won't show up for us, that we have to do it alone. Yeah, And so I was like, so so these things hissed, Like I hearing all this stuff about my like where is my other king person? And I knew like I got I got a home and I just cried and I was like what, Like he didn't show up and I'm like he must have forgot, like, and so I was so upset because it's like all this information and then again I somehow feel at fault, which I know is not my fault, but like all this stuff has been like thrown be guys, I'm so sorry.

I'm like crying. No, I don't want to be sorry.

I'm like crying. No, I don't want to be sorry.

I feel like everything you're saying is so valid, and I promise you there's people listening that feel every single bit of this.

I feel like everything you're saying is so valid, and I promise you there's people listening that feel every single bit of this.

Yeah, and so like and he's like, oh my god, I would have come and I'm like, I know you. So again I know I'm not alone in it but like we like take on so much of it, like to ourselves that and then on top of it work and just life and it's just so it's all these things. I'm like, what do I do here? And Okay, so now she's just like, so okay, we gotta get ip and then she'll do you have to do this all a bat and all these things. I'm like, I just feel alone. I know I'm not alone. I know there's people, I know, I have you guys, all that stuff, but it's just that is where my season is this month, and it's hard. So that's it. That's my white about it.

Yeah, and so like and he's like, oh my god, I would have come and I'm like, I know you. So again I know I'm not alone in it but like we like take on so much of it, like to ourselves that and then on top of it work and just life and it's just so it's all these things. I'm like, what do I do here? And Okay, so now she's just like, so okay, we gotta get ip and then she'll do you have to do this all a bat and all these things. I'm like, I just feel alone. I know I'm not alone. I know there's people, I know, I have you guys, all that stuff, but it's just that is where my season is this month, and it's hard. So that's it. That's my white about it.

If I guys, we just keep keep tabling my boobs for a whine about it.

If I guys, we just keep keep tabling my boobs for a whine about it.

It's gonna wait for the time.

It's gonna wait for the time.

But I feel like I'm one week. This was literally me like maybe a week and a half ago. Do you remember me saying to you I just wanted to be alone in my house?

But I feel like I'm one week. This was literally me like maybe a week and a half ago. Do you remember me saying to you I just wanted to be alone in my house?

Yeah?

Yeah?

And it was, which is you know, contradictory because I'm like.

And it was, which is you know, contradictory because I'm like.

I feel that's what Aby said. She goes, what do you need it right now? I was like, I think I just really want to be alone, which is interesting because I'm alone. I know that. I'm like Alan's what do you do? I'm like, I need to be alone because I have to just process all of this sort it by myself for a minute.

I feel that's what Aby said. She goes, what do you need it right now? I was like, I think I just really want to be alone, which is interesting because I'm alone. I know that. I'm like Alan's what do you do? I'm like, I need to be alone because I have to just process all of this sort it by myself for a minute.

Yeah, well it does feel noisy, and I think, guys, we all know this. Everybody listening knows this too. It's like social media information news networks. Can you trust this news network? Is this network coming from this place point of view? Like there's just no raw educational information is how it feels to me sometimes. So then I feel overwhelmed because I feel like I want to make an educated choice and I want to learn, But where do I learn? And is that person teaching me through a lens of this with their own agenda?

Yeah, well it does feel noisy, and I think, guys, we all know this. Everybody listening knows this too. It's like social media information news networks. Can you trust this news network? Is this network coming from this place point of view? Like there's just no raw educational information is how it feels to me sometimes. So then I feel overwhelmed because I feel like I want to make an educated choice and I want to learn, But where do I learn? And is that person teaching me through a lens of this with their own agenda?

You know?

You know?

So that gets wild. And I also feel like the world is noisy right now. I mean the year started crazy. We all know and love people in Los Angeles, right We wrapped up a year with a hurricane getting flooding places where we know and love people, so like it's a hard time for impaths anyways, and then you had the mom layer in the vaccination layer, and the baby layer, an ex husband layer, and it does feel overwhelming, Like I feel like everything you're saying, I'm like, i'd cry too. Actually was just ten days ago, crying about it.

So that gets wild. And I also feel like the world is noisy right now. I mean the year started crazy. We all know and love people in Los Angeles, right We wrapped up a year with a hurricane getting flooding places where we know and love people, so like it's a hard time for impaths anyways, and then you had the mom layer in the vaccination layer, and the baby layer, an ex husband layer, and it does feel overwhelming, Like I feel like everything you're saying, I'm like, i'd cry too. Actually was just ten days ago, crying about it.

I called you. I said, I feel overwhelmed.

I called you. I said, I feel overwhelmed.

It is very common for moms to feel like all the decisions fall on them and that they're alone. Whether you have the most involved husband in the world or not, you have that added layer of an ex husband not showing up, and then a husband she's like, well, I would be there, but you really probably just want her to be there, you know, And so that's a whole other level. But I feel like everyone listening, most moms can just they feel that, like, my decisions might not be as big as yours right now, but like we're ultimately making most of the decisions for our children, and that is overwhelming. I mean that is no matter what the decision is, that's overwhelming. So I'm sorry that you're having to deal with some of these really bigger decisions that are heavy. Like yeah, like the dads will help make those decisions, but are they educating themselves? Where do we get educated?

It is very common for moms to feel like all the decisions fall on them and that they're alone. Whether you have the most involved husband in the world or not, you have that added layer of an ex husband not showing up, and then a husband she's like, well, I would be there, but you really probably just want her to be there, you know, And so that's a whole other level. But I feel like everyone listening, most moms can just they feel that, like, my decisions might not be as big as yours right now, but like we're ultimately making most of the decisions for our children, and that is overwhelming. I mean that is no matter what the decision is, that's overwhelming. So I'm sorry that you're having to deal with some of these really bigger decisions that are heavy. Like yeah, like the dads will help make those decisions, but are they educating themselves? Where do we get educated?

You know?

You know?

I mean it's overwhelming, and I don't have any answers for that, because that's just a hard I mean, we just dealt with it with a vaccine, you know. I thought we were kind of out of that. But now when the kids are older, now there's a vaccine that we have to make a decision about that I've been putting off for years, you know, making a decision. But those things are hard because then you also get you know, you can get ripped apart for your feelings on those things, and that's hard too. To me. That's an added layer.

I mean it's overwhelming, and I don't have any answers for that, because that's just a hard I mean, we just dealt with it with a vaccine, you know. I thought we were kind of out of that. But now when the kids are older, now there's a vaccine that we have to make a decision about that I've been putting off for years, you know, making a decision. But those things are hard because then you also get you know, you can get ripped apart for your feelings on those things, and that's hard too. To me. That's an added layer.

I also encourage you to find a different pediatrician. I've tried. I'm on every weight list. I'm literally called three and I'm on three weight lists. And again it's not I'm not against it. I understanding there are outbreaks, there are things that need to be for other people. I'm I just there's just so many and what is needed right now? And how do we space this out where I just need to understand it more?

I also encourage you to find a different pediatrician. I've tried. I'm on every weight list. I'm literally called three and I'm on three weight lists. And again it's not I'm not against it. I understanding there are outbreaks, there are things that need to be for other people. I'm I just there's just so many and what is needed right now? And how do we space this out where I just need to understand it more?

You need someone who can walk you through this is what we have left? Yeah, and how are we going to knowing that this, this and this are important to you? Knowing you're not sure how you feel about this one, here's a plan.

You need someone who can walk you through this is what we have left? Yeah, and how are we going to knowing that this, this and this are important to you? Knowing you're not sure how you feel about this one, here's a plan.

Well, And so I called the doctor because this is hard because I've been with this one doctor since Jolly was a baby. And so I called and I'm you know this is after therapy, and so I'm obviously upset and crying, and you know, she's basically like, if you don't, you're going to have to leave the office because you're at the point now where you know, it's been this long and he needs so many And I was like, well, I can't see her again, and I'm because I just feel like just the pressure and like throat closing and all that. So can you find me a d friend doctor in the office that can just have a little bit more compassion around me having a difficult time? When's the appointment next week? And I'm gonna be alone in the appointment because he's not gonna be you know, he's not gonna be here. So it's just like it's there's just and I don't know what I'm but I'm gonna have to do something or pick one, you know what I mean, like a Rouletta vaccines, Which one is that safe.

Well, And so I called the doctor because this is hard because I've been with this one doctor since Jolly was a baby. And so I called and I'm you know this is after therapy, and so I'm obviously upset and crying, and you know, she's basically like, if you don't, you're going to have to leave the office because you're at the point now where you know, it's been this long and he needs so many And I was like, well, I can't see her again, and I'm because I just feel like just the pressure and like throat closing and all that. So can you find me a d friend doctor in the office that can just have a little bit more compassion around me having a difficult time? When's the appointment next week? And I'm gonna be alone in the appointment because he's not gonna be you know, he's not gonna be here. So it's just like it's there's just and I don't know what I'm but I'm gonna have to do something or pick one, you know what I mean, like a Rouletta vaccines, Which one is that safe.

Thing to give? Yeah, you need to ask, And I will say, let's talk offline about who you're seeing. We see two different people in the practice, and I definitely have felt that way more about her than the other.

Thing to give? Yeah, you need to ask, And I will say, let's talk offline about who you're seeing. We see two different people in the practice, and I definitely have felt that way more about her than the other.

Yeah, okay, So I'd also like to go to the appointment. Yeah, I would like to honestly, like, I would like to not be alone in that one.

Yeah, okay, So I'd also like to go to the appointment. Yeah, I would like to honestly, like, I would like to not be alone in that one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. It's just like there's just so much stuff, like you want to make the right decisions, you know what I mean. Like, and again I'm not saying certain things one hundred percent caused certain things with Jolie, but there are many things that if you go back to she didn't crawl, she didn't talk until she was almost like four, you know, and a lot of those and then now she's dyslexi. Like when you look into these things, they could have been from her fifteen month vaccination, So it could have maybe who knows, I don't know. It might min not have.

Yeah, I don't know. It's just like there's just so much stuff, like you want to make the right decisions, you know what I mean. Like, and again I'm not saying certain things one hundred percent caused certain things with Jolie, but there are many things that if you go back to she didn't crawl, she didn't talk until she was almost like four, you know, and a lot of those and then now she's dyslexi. Like when you look into these things, they could have been from her fifteen month vaccination, So it could have maybe who knows, I don't know. It might min not have.

An important piece though, is that someone is just willing to hear you out.

An important piece though, is that someone is just willing to hear you out.

It definitely need to be so definite.

It definitely need to be so definite.

I think I have been on this like little diary journey of things I'm passionate about. One of the things I am is safety of children, but also safety of mothers. And I feel like safety of mothers I'm really passionate about the most because it is a very hard and very layered and very beautiful job. But anybody pushing us, I have no tolerance for But my whole point is if that doctor was st look at you and say, I can tell this is a lot for you, and I just want to lay out this is our options. This is just a different conversation. And listen, I'm not even saying that's a bad pediatrician, just not the one for you.

I think I have been on this like little diary journey of things I'm passionate about. One of the things I am is safety of children, but also safety of mothers. And I feel like safety of mothers I'm really passionate about the most because it is a very hard and very layered and very beautiful job. But anybody pushing us, I have no tolerance for But my whole point is if that doctor was st look at you and say, I can tell this is a lot for you, and I just want to lay out this is our options. This is just a different conversation. And listen, I'm not even saying that's a bad pediatrician, just not the one for you.

Yeah, you know, Like I.

Yeah, you know, Like I.

Go, there's a practice I'm involved in on the nonprofit side, and I love these women, and there is one woman that I'm like, you are a tremendous, brilliant doctor, but I don't want to be your patient because you're tough love and I don't need that.

Go, there's a practice I'm involved in on the nonprofit side, and I love these women, and there is one woman that I'm like, you are a tremendous, brilliant doctor, but I don't want to be your patient because you're tough love and I don't need that.

And to know, not just other side, but to note there are a lot of offices are that way, like if you don't vaccinate or if you're not on the schedule, then you cannot be at the practice. And it's hard and overwhelming to find the ones that will work with you a little bit more. And you do not go by that. So I feel for that piece of it because it's hard, it's overwhelming. It's like, I mean, I've wanted to leave before, but I'm like, I don't know where to go or what to do, and it's it's hard. But I think at the end of the day, if everyone could have grace for moms because we're all just trying to do what we feel like is best for our children. Yeah, and these are disagreements I've gotten in on so many different things, but at the end of the day, you can assume that every mother's trying to do what's best for their own kid, and that might look different for everybody.

And to know, not just other side, but to note there are a lot of offices are that way, like if you don't vaccinate or if you're not on the schedule, then you cannot be at the practice. And it's hard and overwhelming to find the ones that will work with you a little bit more. And you do not go by that. So I feel for that piece of it because it's hard, it's overwhelming. It's like, I mean, I've wanted to leave before, but I'm like, I don't know where to go or what to do, and it's it's hard. But I think at the end of the day, if everyone could have grace for moms because we're all just trying to do what we feel like is best for our children. Yeah, and these are disagreements I've gotten in on so many different things, but at the end of the day, you can assume that every mother's trying to do what's best for their own kid, and that might look different for everybody.

And there's just a lot on the mother's plate, like doing so much and then adding in on the flip side of like work and then four months two Yeah, you know. Anyways, that's my wind about it. Ladies, Are we moving on hot topic?

And there's just a lot on the mother's plate, like doing so much and then adding in on the flip side of like work and then four months two Yeah, you know. Anyways, that's my wind about it. Ladies, Are we moving on hot topic?

Yes, let's move on.

Yes, let's move on.

Okay. We had Whitney from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on. We also had Macy on. Did you guys see that Jen Affleck is pregnant with her third Yes. I got to say I was shocked. I was happy, but shocked, like I thought they were getting divorced. That's from the news that I because I've kind of stayed away from, you know, which obviously I would hate to see a divorce announcement, you know, but I was I was kind of shocked to see it, but happy, but shocked me. It doesn't. There's a lot of few clients happening.

Okay. We had Whitney from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on. We also had Macy on. Did you guys see that Jen Affleck is pregnant with her third Yes. I got to say I was shocked. I was happy, but shocked, like I thought they were getting divorced. That's from the news that I because I've kind of stayed away from, you know, which obviously I would hate to see a divorce announcement, you know, but I was I was kind of shocked to see it, but happy, but shocked me. It doesn't. There's a lot of few clients happening.

Yeah, I feel like I had heard at some point or something that because didn't they move away, one of them told us that they like moved away to like work on things or whatever. So that doesn't surprise me having said that, some gracious assumption here. I feel like there is a lot that all of the girls have said that their stories were not fully shown on season one, so I want to hold space for all of them and their chance to tell more of their story. I don't think that excuses any behaviors. I don't think that that you know, yeah, I did too. I did too. However, I would like to make my not not judgment. I want to see more of their story. I want to see they keep alluding to there's a lot more to their story. There's this. I would like to see that first and see kind of you know what that is about. Again, it was hard to watch. There was a lot there, But I'd be curious to see what they show in season two to as she kind of puts, it, will kind of explain some of the behaviors.

Yeah, I feel like I had heard at some point or something that because didn't they move away, one of them told us that they like moved away to like work on things or whatever. So that doesn't surprise me having said that, some gracious assumption here. I feel like there is a lot that all of the girls have said that their stories were not fully shown on season one, so I want to hold space for all of them and their chance to tell more of their story. I don't think that excuses any behaviors. I don't think that that you know, yeah, I did too. I did too. However, I would like to make my not not judgment. I want to see more of their story. I want to see they keep alluding to there's a lot more to their story. There's this. I would like to see that first and see kind of you know what that is about. Again, it was hard to watch. There was a lot there, But I'd be curious to see what they show in season two to as she kind of puts, it, will kind of explain some of the behaviors.

But reality TV is always hard for me, I think because I did only one show, but I just saw so much. It's like they can literally do anything they want to your character, even when you think you're being crisp and clean and clear. If they have an agenda and a storyline for your character, they can pretty much accomplish it.

But reality TV is always hard for me, I think because I did only one show, but I just saw so much. It's like they can literally do anything they want to your character, even when you think you're being crisp and clean and clear. If they have an agenda and a storyline for your character, they can pretty much accomplish it.

Yeah, especially if you're scary to think that it's scary, you know, it's not always you know, what we're saying is not. Maybe, I don't know. It's hard to believe that he didn't have those controlling behaviors when but also yes, it can be manipulated and add to us a certain.

Yeah, especially if you're scary to think that it's scary, you know, it's not always you know, what we're saying is not. Maybe, I don't know. It's hard to believe that he didn't have those controlling behaviors when but also yes, it can be manipulated and add to us a certain.

Way too, Yeah, because if you compile all those two into one, it's like whoa why No exactly?

Way too, Yeah, because if you compile all those two into one, it's like whoa why No exactly?

Yeah? Great? And I really felt for her on that show though.