Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

Happy New Year.

Happy New Year.

Happy New Year.

Happy New Year.

Alan has been very busy back he built the sweetest fire pit for Jace in the I mean pretty much, how did that even start?

Alan has been very busy back he built the sweetest fire pit for Jace in the I mean pretty much, how did that even start?

We've been well. I did tell you a year ago that we I don't want to bring that up. I would do a fire pit, but the plan was to do it in the yard at that point of the garden at that point. And then I went a walk a couple of weeks ago in the forest and the with Jason. I thought, no, that's actually loads of spots in here. We we could have a good fire pit.

We've been well. I did tell you a year ago that we I don't want to bring that up. I would do a fire pit, but the plan was to do it in the yard at that point of the garden at that point. And then I went a walk a couple of weeks ago in the forest and the with Jason. I thought, no, that's actually loads of spots in here. We we could have a good fire pit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it got me thinking, and it got my creative mind thinking. And then I thought, okay, so we can see there's one particular spot in the forest we can see from the house. It's fairly flat.

So it got me thinking, and it got my creative mind thinking. And then I thought, okay, so we can see there's one particular spot in the forest we can see from the house. It's fairly flat.

Half of it on our land, part of it, enough of it is. One of it is on our land.

Half of it on our land, part of it, enough of it is. One of it is on our land.

So I just thought, do you know what, rather than build it in the yard up and build it in there and it's in the forest and it feels like more like a campfire.

So I just thought, do you know what, rather than build it in the yard up and build it in there and it's in the forest and it feels like more like a campfire.

It totally does.

It totally does.

Yeah, so it feels like a campfire. But I mean it took me. It was spread over three days because I couldn't get I couldn't get like a really long period of time to do it. But I used all the The only materials that I did not use were the big bits of timber which I got from home depot and the stones surround it inside it. Oh that everything else I got from the land.

Yeah, so it feels like a campfire. But I mean it took me. It was spread over three days because I couldn't get I couldn't get like a really long period of time to do it. But I used all the The only materials that I did not use were the big bits of timber which I got from home depot and the stones surround it inside it. Oh that everything else I got from the land.

That.

That.

Yeah, it was so sweet. He was like, you know, I'm going to do this fire you know, fire pit for New Year's Eve was the was is to be able to do smores out back and it was so it was just so sweet and the kids loved it. It was just really special. So I appreciate you doing that.

Yeah, it was so sweet. He was like, you know, I'm going to do this fire you know, fire pit for New Year's Eve was the was is to be able to do smores out back and it was so it was just so sweet and the kids loved it. It was just really special. So I appreciate you doing that.

And it's actually as it sits there now, it's actually a good level reflection area. Well.

And it's actually as it sits there now, it's actually a good level reflection area. Well.

Yeah, and that that New Year's Eve night, we had Lee and you know, Sarah Bryce over and their kids and we were sitting out back and one of my favorite things growing up was doing bonfires up north, and so Sarah had asked me, She's like, you know, is it what is your you know what is she It was like earth wind fire? What was that? Wind? Or earth wind fire? Water? And she said, which one do you connect with most? Most and I said, you know, for me, it's always water and fire, because like anytime i'm ever buy water and I'm by fire, my like blood pressure, my whole everything, just like I'm at peace. And when I stare at a fire, it's the most relaxing thing to me. And so even last night when I got back from vision boarding at Pam's with the girls, you know, you and Jas were up there and just sitting up there for five minutes was so relaxing. And then when I went in to go, you know, put Jas to bed. Just kind of seeing you out there too, sitting by yourself. I wasn't like, oh, he's by himself. I was like, Oh, this is he's having a peaceful moment. M.

Yeah, and that that New Year's Eve night, we had Lee and you know, Sarah Bryce over and their kids and we were sitting out back and one of my favorite things growing up was doing bonfires up north, and so Sarah had asked me, She's like, you know, is it what is your you know what is she It was like earth wind fire? What was that? Wind? Or earth wind fire? Water? And she said, which one do you connect with most? Most and I said, you know, for me, it's always water and fire, because like anytime i'm ever buy water and I'm by fire, my like blood pressure, my whole everything, just like I'm at peace. And when I stare at a fire, it's the most relaxing thing to me. And so even last night when I got back from vision boarding at Pam's with the girls, you know, you and Jas were up there and just sitting up there for five minutes was so relaxing. And then when I went in to go, you know, put Jas to bed. Just kind of seeing you out there too, sitting by yourself. I wasn't like, oh, he's by himself. I was like, Oh, this is he's having a peaceful moment. M.

Yeah, that's really it's a really reflective area because you're surrounded by the trees, surrounded by all the nice stone. You'll feel safe because you can see the house. Yeah, it's not too far from the house. When you're in the forest. No, you're not sharing the forest with the bales or the bobcats.

Yeah, that's really it's a really reflective area because you're surrounded by the trees, surrounded by all the nice stone. You'll feel safe because you can see the house. Yeah, it's not too far from the house. When you're in the forest. No, you're not sharing the forest with the bales or the bobcats.

So I don't know if we have we have bears up north, Yeah, we have Gamberg.

So I don't know if we have we have bears up north, Yeah, we have Gamberg.

We have bobcats.

We have bobcats.

We have bobcats, But would they hurt us by the fire. I have no clue how that works unless you've.

We have bobcats, But would they hurt us by the fire. I have no clue how that works unless you've.

Got a fish sitting beside you. A fish. Cats love fish, doesn't they bombcats? Really? I didn't know that a favorite meal of fish?

Got a fish sitting beside you. A fish. Cats love fish, doesn't they bombcats? Really? I didn't know that a favorite meal of fish?

Really, I think?

Really, I think?

So, are you sure cats love fish?

So, are you sure cats love fish?

Ye?

Ye?

Well, British cat British cats love fish, American ones.

Well, British cat British cats love fish, American ones.

I've never heard that before.

I've never heard that before.

I think if you put a piece of meat down and a piece of fish, then a cat will go for a piece of fish.

I think if you put a piece of meat down and a piece of fish, then a cat will go for a piece of fish.

Really yeah, huh.

Really yeah, huh.

Google it. But anyway, I finally got it complete and it's it's functioning. It's pretty basic right now.

Google it. But anyway, I finally got it complete and it's it's functioning. It's pretty basic right now.

It's so great, but it's you don't need it to be anything. The only thing I would add in the summertime is like little teaky torches m first for mosquitos and stuff. But besides that, I'm like, it's great.

It's so great, but it's you don't need it to be anything. The only thing I would add in the summertime is like little teaky torches m first for mosquitos and stuff. But besides that, I'm like, it's great.

Well, we need to get some new chairs because we've got the football sports chairs.

Well, we need to get some new chairs because we've got the football sports chairs.

Yeah that's fine, but those are comfy, those are cozy. But it's a new year, very exciting. Uh. I've already managed to mess up my knee in the news. So I'm about to go film a movie in four days and I'm just like, why why like my back still, Like I'm like why, And then I said, so I said to Ali yesterday, I'm like, is this a bad sign for the new year? Is this how my new year is going to be hurt and injured? I'm going to be limping on set. I supposed to have a call with the director of the movie I'm doing today. And the very first scene that I'm filming is she kneels down and starts crying. I can't kneel down.

Yeah that's fine, but those are comfy, those are cozy. But it's a new year, very exciting. Uh. I've already managed to mess up my knee in the news. So I'm about to go film a movie in four days and I'm just like, why why like my back still, Like I'm like why, And then I said, so I said to Ali yesterday, I'm like, is this a bad sign for the new year? Is this how my new year is going to be hurt and injured? I'm going to be limping on set. I supposed to have a call with the director of the movie I'm doing today. And the very first scene that I'm filming is she kneels down and starts crying. I can't kneel down.

You will be able to? I will.

You will be able to? I will.

I can't bend in a squat? How am I like? And I can't get on the phone with this director that I don't even know, like she'll like I know her work or whatever, but like we've never met before. And the first thing I say is like, I'm hurt. I can't do that.

I can't bend in a squat? How am I like? And I can't get on the phone with this director that I don't even know, like she'll like I know her work or whatever, but like we've never met before. And the first thing I say is like, I'm hurt. I can't do that.

I'm going to go.

I'm going to go.

Down and like shoot the duck position, and like in skating, it's only I'm going to be able to get down and just on my one my one knee. I can't bend my knee.

Down and like shoot the duck position, and like in skating, it's only I'm going to be able to get down and just on my one my one knee. I can't bend my knee.

How many days from now have you got for filming?

How many days from now have you got for filming?

I film on Monday. I leave Sunday, so I've got four days.

I film on Monday. I leave Sunday, so I've got four days.

He says. Monday was a fetting day, No I film. It's a half day day and Monday. That's yeah, you'll be fine. We'll get the inflammation out and you'll be able.

He says. Monday was a fetting day, No I film. It's a half day day and Monday. That's yeah, you'll be fine. We'll get the inflammation out and you'll be able.

To I'm pretty sure I toured the position, so that's that. I'm very I'm very excited to start the new year off with the movie. But now I'm just like.

To I'm pretty sure I toured the position, so that's that. I'm very I'm very excited to start the new year off with the movie. But now I'm just like.

You will be fine. You will be fine. Believe me that the inflammation and the swelling will be sposed, but by Monday, you'll be fine.

You will be fine. You will be fine. Believe me that the inflammation and the swelling will be sposed, but by Monday, you'll be fine.

The best is that, even though my husband is a was a former professional soccer player, football player and has been around all these pets in his entire life, yesterday when it happened, I'm putting ice on my knee and then he's putting heat on. But I still need to google everything, so I'm, you know, googling, and I'm like, honey, Google says that you actually shouldn't put heat on right away, and then you got mad at me because I'm means like listening to the Google.

The best is that, even though my husband is a was a former professional soccer player, football player and has been around all these pets in his entire life, yesterday when it happened, I'm putting ice on my knee and then he's putting heat on. But I still need to google everything, so I'm, you know, googling, and I'm like, honey, Google says that you actually shouldn't put heat on right away, and then you got mad at me because I'm means like listening to the Google.

General inflammation from Google and it was the basis decision.

General inflammation from Google and it was the basis decision.

Yeah and yeah, anyways, but good times, I'm.

Yeah and yeah, anyways, but good times, I'm.

Sure someone will come on and call me out and see that I'm wrong, and all those will come out and hold me out and see that I'm right.

Sure someone will come on and call me out and see that I'm wrong, and all those will come out and hold me out and see that I'm right.

What are you most excited for this year? Because we were talking last night when you were in the bath, I said, I'm kind of I'm not struggling, but I'm just last year I was able to go, oh, this year, we're getting married, We're going to Italy. You know, we have our honeymoon.

What are you most excited for this year? Because we were talking last night when you were in the bath, I said, I'm kind of I'm not struggling, but I'm just last year I was able to go, oh, this year, we're getting married, We're going to Italy. You know, we have our honeymoon.

I had your walts, well, you have nothing to look.

I had your walts, well, you have nothing to look.

For, no, but I didn't mean I mean, I didn't mean it in so this is like I just like I had so much to look forward to last year, and like I know I have a lot to work for, like, but like I like to have something planned, Like I like to know, okay, we are going here, Like it's something to just look forward to, because if it's not, it's every day is like the grind and work and you know, survive and kids and all that is beautiful and love and I'm so happy to be alive and you know, limping and healthy.

For, no, but I didn't mean I mean, I didn't mean it in so this is like I just like I had so much to look forward to last year, and like I know I have a lot to work for, like, but like I like to have something planned, Like I like to know, okay, we are going here, Like it's something to just look forward to, because if it's not, it's every day is like the grind and work and you know, survive and kids and all that is beautiful and love and I'm so happy to be alive and you know, limping and healthy.

But like you know, it's I like to have something to look forward to. It's just something that helps me motivated to do everything else that I'm doing around it, if that makes sense, Like having the wedding and the honeymoon to look forward to last year helped to motivate me pre and after. You know that makes sense, Yeah, it does.

But like you know, it's I like to have something to look forward to. It's just something that helps me motivated to do everything else that I'm doing around it, if that makes sense, Like having the wedding and the honeymoon to look forward to last year helped to motivate me pre and after. You know that makes sense, Yeah, it does.

So we need to plan a couple of vacations, all of these.

So we need to plan a couple of vacations, all of these.

I just need one or just something like it could be a family trip, it could be.

I just need one or just something like it could be a family trip, it could be.

You look it up past a couple of years ago. We travel numerous times a year.

You look it up past a couple of years ago. We travel numerous times a year.

We took our first vacation last year together in February. Yeah, our first vacation we ever.

We took our first vacation last year together in February. Yeah, our first vacation we ever.

Took constantly taking many ones.

Took constantly taking many ones.

No, we're not it's work. You see what I'm saying. Like the wedding and honeymoon was not work. It was beautiful and relaxation and something to look forward to.

No, we're not it's work. You see what I'm saying. Like the wedding and honeymoon was not work. It was beautiful and relaxation and something to look forward to.

Okay, so let's book something. What are you, little wife, come for our new year? Thinking I had nothing to look forward to?

Okay, so let's book something. What are you, little wife, come for our new year? Thinking I had nothing to look forward to?

What are you looking forward to? Well?

What are you looking forward to? Well?

Am I looking forward to? Well, it's a thing. I'm looking forward to a professional thing because I'm going to look. I'm going to open my own facility, at our own facility this year, the first and the facility aim towards purely goal scoring. Everything that's aimed towards being a better goalscorer. There's nothing like it. And I don't think it's even ending like it in the world that does it too, that'll do it to this kind of detail and professionalism. So that's exciting.

Am I looking forward to? Well, it's a thing. I'm looking forward to a professional thing because I'm going to look. I'm going to open my own facility, at our own facility this year, the first and the facility aim towards purely goal scoring. Everything that's aimed towards being a better goalscorer. There's nothing like it. And I don't think it's even ending like it in the world that does it too, that'll do it to this kind of detail and professionalism. So that's exciting.

I'm excited for you.

I'm excited for you.

That's exciting. So that'll be a and that'll be good because it will almost be like a legacy type piece as well, something to look forward to they can build and enfranchising. So that's that was a big part of the growing our marriage and not showing our marriage.

That's exciting. So that'll be a and that'll be good because it will almost be like a legacy type piece as well, something to look forward to they can build and enfranchising. So that's that was a big part of the growing our marriage and not showing our marriage.

That's just the obvious.

That's just the obvious.

Yes, it's still a high priority. A lot of people just take it for There's loads of things training Troy, like watching the kids grow. I'm excited for sports season coming back as well. Yeah, mh this Roman will be one and a half so you can one play, you can join a team.

Yes, it's still a high priority. A lot of people just take it for There's loads of things training Troy, like watching the kids grow. I'm excited for sports season coming back as well. Yeah, mh this Roman will be one and a half so you can one play, you can join a team.

Oh my god, all he's eating rocks. Yes, new. We had a show that we watched last year that I was actually very surprised. Alan wanted to sit down and watch it with me. But we kind of needed a filler show. Well, we were out of our other shows. It was called the Ultimatum.

Oh my god, all he's eating rocks. Yes, new. We had a show that we watched last year that I was actually very surprised. Alan wanted to sit down and watch it with me. But we kind of needed a filler show. Well, we were out of our other shows. It was called the Ultimatum.

Do we just finished Yellows though we had just.

Do we just finished Yellows though we had just.

Finished Allstone, that's right, and we needed something totally different, so we started watching Ultimatum, and we have Sandy coming on Today's Adult Education and she was the one that came on the show with Nick, and you know, Nick gave her an ultimatum, have you No, you haven't. I feel like, even the premise of the show, if you have to give someone an ultimatum to be with you, then that should be your biggest.

Finished Allstone, that's right, and we needed something totally different, so we started watching Ultimatum, and we have Sandy coming on Today's Adult Education and she was the one that came on the show with Nick, and you know, Nick gave her an ultimatum, have you No, you haven't. I feel like, even the premise of the show, if you have to give someone an ultimatum to be with you, then that should be your biggest.

Signs trouble in power.

Signs trouble in power.

Yeah, but I feel like it could also be something where for the guy, like if a girl has has anyone ever given you an ultimatum? Kind of? Maybe? Kind of and like what did you do with that? Well, obviously it didn't work. I'm here, But but I feel like if that person gave you an ultimatum and you, you know, realized, oh crap, okay, I got to get my stuff together, then that could be the opportunity for you then to go, I don't want to lose this person, which you know on the show, some people ended up leaving with their people because they realized, wait, I don't want to I don't want to not be with them.

Yeah, but I feel like it could also be something where for the guy, like if a girl has has anyone ever given you an ultimatum? Kind of? Maybe? Kind of and like what did you do with that? Well, obviously it didn't work. I'm here, But but I feel like if that person gave you an ultimatum and you, you know, realized, oh crap, okay, I got to get my stuff together, then that could be the opportunity for you then to go, I don't want to lose this person, which you know on the show, some people ended up leaving with their people because they realized, wait, I don't want to I don't want to not be with them.

Yeah, I can be a positive, defining moment.

Yeah, I can be a positive, defining moment.

Yeah. So I'm just very intrigued by the concept and the show. And Sandy was a fan favorite. So she is here, let's get her on.

Yeah. So I'm just very intrigued by the concept and the show. And Sandy was a fan favorite. So she is here, let's get her on.

Hey girl, Hey, yeah, how are you?

Hey girl, Hey, yeah, how are you?

Happy New Year?

Happy New Year?

Happy New Year?

Happy New Year?

So nice to meet you. I'm Jana. This is my husband Alan.

So nice to meet you. I'm Jana. This is my husband Alan.

Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you.

I know who you are. I'm a big fan.

I know who you are. I'm a big fan.

Ah, thanks Carol. I mean we're ye're fans of yours too, because we watched Ultimatum.

Ah, thanks Carol. I mean we're ye're fans of yours too, because we watched Ultimatum.

I know, so crazy. I'm so sorry.

I know, so crazy. I'm so sorry.

Why are you sorry?

Why are you sorry?

Because it's just like it was the craziest thing and I'm like, oh my god. The fact that people are watching this like over the holidays with their families, like just watching my love life just completely explode.

Because it's just like it was the craziest thing and I'm like, oh my god. The fact that people are watching this like over the holidays with their families, like just watching my love life just completely explode.

I'm like, happy holidays, You're like enjoying my misery.

I'm like, happy holidays, You're like enjoying my misery.

Felicea Navidad.

Felicea Navidad.

Literally I'm like, Merry Christmas. Yeah.

Literally I'm like, Merry Christmas. Yeah.

Did you watch it back?

Did you watch it back?

Yeah?

Yeah?

You did?

You did?

Okay, Yeah for sure, I mean how could I not, you know?

Okay, Yeah for sure, I mean how could I not, you know?

Yeah?

Yeah?

We actually, I mean.

We actually, I mean.

We watched it the night before the reunion, like a month ago before it came out. So I watched the whole thing and literally one day and I was just like, oh my, then you go straight into the reunion. So that was really crazy. But yeah, I watched it back like with my friends and family and stuff and just I just had fun during it, but it also was just it's.

We watched it the night before the reunion, like a month ago before it came out. So I watched the whole thing and literally one day and I was just like, oh my, then you go straight into the reunion. So that was really crazy. But yeah, I watched it back like with my friends and family and stuff and just I just had fun during it, but it also was just it's.

It's really weird and hard to watch back. Of course, what.

It's really weird and hard to watch back. Of course, what.

Was the hardest moment to watch back for you?

Was the hardest moment to watch back for you?

There's a lot of different moments honestly, but I think just.

There's a lot of different moments honestly, but I think just.

The stuff with Nick, you know, like that's there's so much more to our story and just the relationship. So I think it was really hard to kind of watch how it played out on TV and I'm just like, that's not exactly how it happened, you know, and it's just a really like sensitive thing because it's my real relationship. Yeah, you know, I think especially the night that he comes the apartment, which was kind of like the big like tipping point, that was a really hard night for me, like just what actually happened and seeing the way that it played out was just like okay, but yeah, I mean honestly, a lot of it was hard to watch back.

The stuff with Nick, you know, like that's there's so much more to our story and just the relationship. So I think it was really hard to kind of watch how it played out on TV and I'm just like, that's not exactly how it happened, you know, and it's just a really like sensitive thing because it's my real relationship. Yeah, you know, I think especially the night that he comes the apartment, which was kind of like the big like tipping point, that was a really hard night for me, like just what actually happened and seeing the way that it played out was just like okay, but yeah, I mean honestly, a lot of it was hard to watch back.

I'm not Gallae.

I'm not Gallae.

Yeah, well, I feel like the editing of things is always the tricky piece because you, like you just said, like there's so much more to the story. Is there was there one thing in editing that you were like, okay, like that's just not fair.

Yeah, well, I feel like the editing of things is always the tricky piece because you, like you just said, like there's so much more to the story. Is there was there one thing in editing that you were like, okay, like that's just not fair.

Yeah, I mean kind of the night that he comes to the apartment, honestly, because it was just like the way that it looks is that he calls me once and I'm like just hang up on him. Like that was after he had been calling me like excessively, like to the point where it's like I don't care if you're my boyfriend, if you're my friend, if you're a stranger. Like it was really inappropriate and just crossed so many boundaries, and it was more than just calling and texting, you know, it's like the overall communication and behaviors. And yeah, I mean I had sat on the phone with him for hours that night, talking to him, trying to calm him down.

Yeah, I mean kind of the night that he comes to the apartment, honestly, because it was just like the way that it looks is that he calls me once and I'm like just hang up on him. Like that was after he had been calling me like excessively, like to the point where it's like I don't care if you're my boyfriend, if you're my friend, if you're a stranger. Like it was really inappropriate and just crossed so many boundaries, and it was more than just calling and texting, you know, it's like the overall communication and behaviors. And yeah, I mean I had sat on the phone with him for hours that night, talking to him, trying to calm him down.

And I think what people don't understand.

And I think what people don't understand.

Before the door, yeah, yeah, before okay, yeah, And I had been doing that for days and weeks at that point, like, you know, because that was towards the end of my trial marriage with JR.

Before the door, yeah, yeah, before okay, yeah, And I had been doing that for days and weeks at that point, like, you know, because that was towards the end of my trial marriage with JR.

So it just kind of got worse and worse and worse. And it was really late at night. It was like one o'clock in the morning. We had my family meeting the next morning at like seven am, and I was like, I need to go to bed, like you're not respecting, you know, my boundaries in myself. And he was actually with my mom and my best friend before that.

So it just kind of got worse and worse and worse. And it was really late at night. It was like one o'clock in the morning. We had my family meeting the next morning at like seven am, and I was like, I need to go to bed, like you're not respecting, you know, my boundaries in myself. And he was actually with my mom and my best friend before that.

And he was wasted, like wasted. So it's like anyone that you know, if your if your boyfriend or girlfriend even is like wasted, they're not in the right headspace to talk to you, and it's just it's not going to be beneficial.

And he was wasted, like wasted. So it's like anyone that you know, if your if your boyfriend or girlfriend even is like wasted, they're not in the right headspace to talk to you, and it's just it's not going to be beneficial.

So, yeah, he had told me that he was gonna come to the apartment, and I was like, no, you're not.

So, yeah, he had told me that he was gonna come to the apartment, and I was like, no, you're not.

You're not coming to this apartment. First of all, we're not allowed to.

You're not coming to this apartment. First of all, we're not allowed to.

See each other there. They have like very strict rules, so that was a big thing.

See each other there. They have like very strict rules, so that was a big thing.

And also JR lives there, and so JR was pissed, and that's what you see, just him.

And also JR lives there, and so JR was pissed, and that's what you see, just him.

Coming to the door, and Jar immediately was like, I'm getting the door. You're staying back because now I'm pissed off right now, And so he kind of was getting protective and went to like talk to Nick and they.

Coming to the door, and Jar immediately was like, I'm getting the door. You're staying back because now I'm pissed off right now, And so he kind of was getting protective and went to like talk to Nick and they.

Just nothing really happened.

Just nothing really happened.

They just kind of went at it, and then you know, Nick left and continued to again call and just bombard me, and so then I blocked him at that point because I was like, you're not respecting me, I have to I have to literally block you in order for like this to stop, you know. And other stuff happened that night honestly, which don't really need to get it too, but there was just a lot of things.

They just kind of went at it, and then you know, Nick left and continued to again call and just bombard me, and so then I blocked him at that point because I was like, you're not respecting me, I have to I have to literally block you in order for like this to stop, you know. And other stuff happened that night honestly, which don't really need to get it too, but there was just a lot of things.

That were going on off camera, and it was it was honestly a hard night for me.

That were going on off camera, and it was it was honestly a hard night for me.

And so then seeing the way that that played out, I was just like, oh, Okay, that's.

And so then seeing the way that that played out, I was just like, oh, Okay, that's.

Not at all what happened.

Not at all what happened.

But yeah, and you know, and I got obviously a lot of backlash for that because the way that it looks, of course, is like how could you just let somebody that you have been you know, you've loved for a while, Like how could you let them cry like that? And yeah, I mean I think also looking back though, in that moment, I didn't realize how much he really needed me and like what was really going on, because again I was just like so in my own experience and I was so put off by you know, his communication and behaviors, and it's like a cyclical pattern with him, so I know what's coming, so I just know to kind of shut off.

But yeah, and you know, and I got obviously a lot of backlash for that because the way that it looks, of course, is like how could you just let somebody that you have been you know, you've loved for a while, Like how could you let them cry like that? And yeah, I mean I think also looking back though, in that moment, I didn't realize how much he really needed me and like what was really going on, because again I was just like so in my own experience and I was so put off by you know, his communication and behaviors, and it's like a cyclical pattern with him, so I know what's coming, so I just know to kind of shut off.

But I do think in that moment it was a unique that you give in.

But I do think in that moment it was a unique that you give in.

The circumstances and I honestly should have just been.

The circumstances and I honestly should have just been.

In there for him and just like drawn everything, but.

In there for him and just like drawn everything, but.

Also like not too. They're like, I feel like one of the things that I I stock up for you, like, you know, because I was like, we didn't know you guys and were watching and we all form our opinions as viewers. But one of the things I would say to my husband, I'm like, I respect the fact that you were actually trying to do the process, you know what I mean, Like, and that's something where it must have been so hard, but at least you were, you were trying to do what the whole show was about, instead of leaving, instead of doing that. It's like you were you were actively trying to participate. And that's one thing that I was like, at least she's trying, you know, and actually doing the experiment and yeah, and that that part, I was like, that's where I started to get because at first I was more team Nick, you know, in the very beginning, and then I then I went more team Sandy because I'm like, he's not allowing he's not giving her the space, and I'm like, honestly, dude, you're pushing her farther away, like this is again just viewers like talking to the TV. But I've like if I was you, I was like, I'm annoyed now, Like I would be like screw this, like respect and you brought me here.

Also like not too. They're like, I feel like one of the things that I I stock up for you, like, you know, because I was like, we didn't know you guys and were watching and we all form our opinions as viewers. But one of the things I would say to my husband, I'm like, I respect the fact that you were actually trying to do the process, you know what I mean, Like, and that's something where it must have been so hard, but at least you were, you were trying to do what the whole show was about, instead of leaving, instead of doing that. It's like you were you were actively trying to participate. And that's one thing that I was like, at least she's trying, you know, and actually doing the experiment and yeah, and that that part, I was like, that's where I started to get because at first I was more team Nick, you know, in the very beginning, and then I then I went more team Sandy because I'm like, he's not allowing he's not giving her the space, and I'm like, honestly, dude, you're pushing her farther away, like this is again just viewers like talking to the TV. But I've like if I was you, I was like, I'm annoyed now, Like I would be like screw this, like respect and you brought me here.

Well, the part I couldn't get was that everyone knows the rules and he has to respect the fact that you're in a trial marriage with someone else. His person has left, which was unfortunate for him. But then did he have to stay in the apartment? Could he have went to a bar or a restaurant, or could he have went anywhere on his own or did he have to stay in the apartment And he's his own misery.

Well, the part I couldn't get was that everyone knows the rules and he has to respect the fact that you're in a trial marriage with someone else. His person has left, which was unfortunate for him. But then did he have to stay in the apartment? Could he have went to a bar or a restaurant, or could he have went anywhere on his own or did he have to stay in the apartment And he's his own misery.

I mean, he would have to like live there, but he can go do you know?

I mean, he would have to like live there, but he can go do you know?

Whatever he did, he would go out and golf and do different activities, get it out too. But like he yeah, he didn't have to stay in the apartment. Him and Mariah had the option of like pairing up and doing a trial marriage with each other, and honestly, they probably should have because it's they would have gotten I think a little bit more out of the experience. But he was really really closed off to everything. And that's what that was like where my frustration was coming from and like you wanted to do this. He was so gung ho about it and so nonchalant, like very unbothered, very unseerious, joking about it. And then it was like once we got there and he kind of realized he wasn't really connecting with any of the girls and wasn't really having like the experience that he thought he was going to have, it was like all of a sudden, everything goes out the window and he wanted me to just like stop my experience as well, and exactly what you said, like, I was really just trying to give it my all, like both with JR.

Whatever he did, he would go out and golf and do different activities, get it out too. But like he yeah, he didn't have to stay in the apartment. Him and Mariah had the option of like pairing up and doing a trial marriage with each other, and honestly, they probably should have because it's they would have gotten I think a little bit more out of the experience. But he was really really closed off to everything. And that's what that was like where my frustration was coming from and like you wanted to do this. He was so gung ho about it and so nonchalant, like very unbothered, very unseerious, joking about it. And then it was like once we got there and he kind of realized he wasn't really connecting with any of the girls and wasn't really having like the experience that he thought he was going to have, it was like all of a sudden, everything goes out the window and he wanted me to just like stop my experience as well, and exactly what you said, like, I was really just trying to give it my all, like both with JR.

And with Nick, and.

And with Nick, and.

You know, there are a lot of there's like structures, there's a structure to it, there's rules, and I was honestly following the rules. A lot of people weren't, and I think it was like didn't really work in my favor, I guess following the rules so like strictly and like really trying to like not you know, communicate so much.

You know, there are a lot of there's like structures, there's a structure to it, there's rules, and I was honestly following the rules. A lot of people weren't, and I think it was like didn't really work in my favor, I guess following the rules so like strictly and like really trying to like not you know, communicate so much.

With Nick and just like be there with JR. And whatever. But yeah, that was something that I.

With Nick and just like be there with JR. And whatever. But yeah, that was something that I.

Just couldn't understand because I was like, we're here, you know, people left, So if you want to leave, you know, maybe we should have. But it's like, then what's gonna happen? What was the point of coming here and doing this? And you know, I was trying to give him that reassurance while I was in the trial marriage with JR. Like I was really communicating with him and like trying to make sure that he knew, look like I'm in this, I'm doing a trial marriage.

Just couldn't understand because I was like, we're here, you know, people left, So if you want to leave, you know, maybe we should have. But it's like, then what's gonna happen? What was the point of coming here and doing this? And you know, I was trying to give him that reassurance while I was in the trial marriage with JR. Like I was really communicating with him and like trying to make sure that he knew, look like I'm in this, I'm doing a trial marriage.

Just like what we signed up for.

Just like what we signed up for.

Nothing is like happening. It's just we're we're you know, we're going through the steps and through the process. And he wasn't like he wasn't accepting the reassurance that I was giving him in the communication. And then it just got really really out of control, honestly, and it was to the point where I was like, Okay, this is actually just disrespectful the way that you're communicating to me and the position that you're putting me in as well. I felt like I was being pulled in like seventeen different directions, and I was just putting myself last because I was trying to show.

Nothing is like happening. It's just we're we're you know, we're going through the steps and through the process. And he wasn't like he wasn't accepting the reassurance that I was giving him in the communication. And then it just got really really out of control, honestly, and it was to the point where I was like, Okay, this is actually just disrespectful the way that you're communicating to me and the position that you're putting me in as well. I felt like I was being pulled in like seventeen different directions, and I was just putting myself last because I was trying to show.

Up for everybody else.

Up for everybody else.

And I think that's where, you know, I just kind of like I just kind of like grumbled, Yeah, I don't know.

And I think that's where, you know, I just kind of like I just kind of like grumbled, Yeah, I don't know.

It was a really weird experience.

It was a really weird experience.

Do you think that you guys would still be together if you hadn't went on the show?

Do you think that you guys would still be together if you hadn't went on the show?

We probably would have stayed together much longer, But I do think that we still would have gotten to the same answer. And I think that's with the whole experience. It just expedites everything, Like that's kind.

We probably would have stayed together much longer, But I do think that we still would have gotten to the same answer. And I think that's with the whole experience. It just expedites everything, Like that's kind.

Of the point of it. It's like, go through this process.

Of the point of it. It's like, go through this process.

If you guys can survive this and you're good, like get engaged, get married, if not break up, like don't do it in between things where you stay together. And I think, naturally, like that's what we want to do because we're like, Okay, well we're not ready to get engaged, but we're also not ready to fully break up. Especially going through that process, it kind of breaks you and then like rebuilds you. So obviously the first half of it was like so just destructive for my relationship, and then the second half, which we don't really get to see, Nick and I worked through a lot of stuff and we actually got really close and you're in a really good spot still though, Like to me, I just kind of knew in my gut, like it wasn't enough, and after seeing what had really unfolded like through the first half of it's it does it gives you kind of a preview into like maybe what life would be like if we're in a marriage. Real shit happens, Like it gets much harder when there's marriage and kids involved, you know, And I'm like, if this is how you're reacting to something that we really knew what we were like signing up for, and you know in your head it's like this is not it's not real life. We're in this controlled experience. This would never happen outside of here, and you're crashing out that hard where it's like actually seriously like destructive? What could happen when you know there's kids involved? And it's like, so I do think that we would have broken up, It just probably would have taken us longer. So I am grateful for, you know, the fact that it was like, Okay, maybe we've saved ourselves another two three years of going through the relationship.

If you guys can survive this and you're good, like get engaged, get married, if not break up, like don't do it in between things where you stay together. And I think, naturally, like that's what we want to do because we're like, Okay, well we're not ready to get engaged, but we're also not ready to fully break up. Especially going through that process, it kind of breaks you and then like rebuilds you. So obviously the first half of it was like so just destructive for my relationship, and then the second half, which we don't really get to see, Nick and I worked through a lot of stuff and we actually got really close and you're in a really good spot still though, Like to me, I just kind of knew in my gut, like it wasn't enough, and after seeing what had really unfolded like through the first half of it's it does it gives you kind of a preview into like maybe what life would be like if we're in a marriage. Real shit happens, Like it gets much harder when there's marriage and kids involved, you know, And I'm like, if this is how you're reacting to something that we really knew what we were like signing up for, and you know in your head it's like this is not it's not real life. We're in this controlled experience. This would never happen outside of here, and you're crashing out that hard where it's like actually seriously like destructive? What could happen when you know there's kids involved? And it's like, so I do think that we would have broken up, It just probably would have taken us longer. So I am grateful for, you know, the fact that it was like, Okay, maybe we've saved ourselves another two three years of going through the relationship.

I think the show, as much as there's so much craziness going on and so many different dynamics, I think the one thing for me that the show made really clear was you could see and the videals that were prepared to lose the other person, and you could see the individuals that were prepared not to lose the other person. I mean, I look at you and Nick, Sandy, you could see that there was a part of you it was prepared to lose him and it was all the best thing for you is you could see his panic and insecurity kicking in when he felt he was going to lose you, and then all of a sudden, I can't lose this person. Who see that dynamic of that's not going to work because she she could live without him, but he can't live without her. Yeah, you could, and that was that was true for I think a few other people as well. So as much as the show had all this madness going on, you could really clearly see Okay, yes, she's prepared to lose him, or he's not prepared to lose herr Or vice versa. Yeah, it was interesting to see that that kind of dynamic as well.

I think the show, as much as there's so much craziness going on and so many different dynamics, I think the one thing for me that the show made really clear was you could see and the videals that were prepared to lose the other person, and you could see the individuals that were prepared not to lose the other person. I mean, I look at you and Nick, Sandy, you could see that there was a part of you it was prepared to lose him and it was all the best thing for you is you could see his panic and insecurity kicking in when he felt he was going to lose you, and then all of a sudden, I can't lose this person. Who see that dynamic of that's not going to work because she she could live without him, but he can't live without her. Yeah, you could, and that was that was true for I think a few other people as well. So as much as the show had all this madness going on, you could really clearly see Okay, yes, she's prepared to lose him, or he's not prepared to lose herr Or vice versa. Yeah, it was interesting to see that that kind of dynamic as well.

Do you hate the fact that everyone thinks use up with jar.

Do you hate the fact that everyone thinks use up with jar.

Yeah, it's actually like there's nothing worse when you're like I actually didn't sleep with her, right, I'm like Jesus Christ, Like I know I'm like, it's really it sucks, you know, like as the girl, I think for maybe guys, it's like not that big of a deal. But it's just like, okay, people trying to tell me what happened everything, and it does.

Yeah, it's actually like there's nothing worse when you're like I actually didn't sleep with her, right, I'm like Jesus Christ, Like I know I'm like, it's really it sucks, you know, like as the girl, I think for maybe guys, it's like not that big of a deal. But it's just like, okay, people trying to tell me what happened everything, and it does.

It is unfortunate.

It is unfortunate.

I understand how it looks, so I don't blame people for thinking it's the editing.

I understand how it looks, so I don't blame people for thinking it's the editing.

I was like, Okay, there's no way they didn't.

I was like, Okay, there's no way they didn't.

You know what I mean.

You know what I mean.

But then I'm like, well, no, no, you know, not even close, like actually not even close.

But then I'm like, well, no, no, you know, not even close, like actually not even close.

So and that's the thing that's like really frustrating, and it's kind of something that I guess I'm learning how to navigate, like being there's there's the TV side of things and then there's the actual like truth. And with me and JR, like you know, we did have a really flirty banter. We were having fun through the process, Like we that's why we kind of clicked because we're like, Okay.

So and that's the thing that's like really frustrating, and it's kind of something that I guess I'm learning how to navigate, like being there's there's the TV side of things and then there's the actual like truth. And with me and JR, like you know, we did have a really flirty banter. We were having fun through the process, Like we that's why we kind of clicked because we're like, Okay.

Let's have some fun.

Let's have some fun.

It doesn't have to be so like somber and you know, but we did have a lot of really really in depth, serious converse stations like that was like ninety five percent of our dynamic. And but we we were flirty and and you know, touchy feely and whatever, but it was never like really sexual in terms of our physical dynamic.

It doesn't have to be so like somber and you know, but we did have a lot of really really in depth, serious converse stations like that was like ninety five percent of our dynamic. And but we we were flirty and and you know, touchy feely and whatever, but it was never like really sexual in terms of our physical dynamic.

You know.

You know.

I think it was like we would talk about stuff, and it was like we were joking about a lot of certain things. But yeah, it just was never actually like really sexual between him and I. And so it is something that's that's weird for me to see because it was it was so sexualized on TV, you know, and people are obviously making assumptions and they have their opinions, and.

I think it was like we would talk about stuff, and it was like we were joking about a lot of certain things. But yeah, it just was never actually like really sexual between him and I. And so it is something that's that's weird for me to see because it was it was so sexualized on TV, you know, and people are obviously making assumptions and they have their opinions, and.

I get it.

I get it.

It's like that's what you know, you kind of put yourself in going on on TV. But yeah, you know, it does feel a little bit like exhausting trying to like explain what actually happened to people because it's like people are just gonna have their opinions.

It's like that's what you know, you kind of put yourself in going on on TV. But yeah, you know, it does feel a little bit like exhausting trying to like explain what actually happened to people because it's like people are just gonna have their opinions.

What do you do with with the comments? I mean, how how have they how have they been post show? And then you know what because this is I is this the first time you've been on a like reality show?

What do you do with with the comments? I mean, how how have they how have they been post show? And then you know what because this is I is this the first time you've been on a like reality show?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Yeah, So it's like how how has the comments good or bad affected you?

Yeah, So it's like how how has the comments good or bad affected you?

You know, I'm not one to like really get but her about certain comments like trolls and stuff because I'm just like, it doesn't really, it doesn't really affect me. I know what happened, I know the truth. I know who I am. I'm very like confident within myself and anybody that knows me knows who I am.

You know, I'm not one to like really get but her about certain comments like trolls and stuff because I'm just like, it doesn't really, it doesn't really affect me. I know what happened, I know the truth. I know who I am. I'm very like confident within myself and anybody that knows me knows who I am.

They know my heart, they know my soul. Like I am obviously way more than what you know what we're just seeing on TV. And I get it. It's a TV show, like they it needs.

They know my heart, they know my soul. Like I am obviously way more than what you know what we're just seeing on TV. And I get it. It's a TV show, like they it needs.

To be entertaining, So I would say, most of the comments don't bother me. I think it's just it is just an interesting It's a new thing for me, right, Like, I've never had so many people having judgments, especially into my relationship. I think that's the part that is frustrating, because there's so much that people don't know that I have really kind of kept quiet on.

To be entertaining, So I would say, most of the comments don't bother me. I think it's just it is just an interesting It's a new thing for me, right, Like, I've never had so many people having judgments, especially into my relationship. I think that's the part that is frustrating, because there's so much that people don't know that I have really kind of kept quiet on.

And it's like, you know, it looks just like I don't give a fuck.

And it's like, you know, it looks just like I don't give a fuck.

You know, it looks like I'm super like insensitive, and it's quite literally the opposite. I've just been like beyond exhausted with how much I've put into it.

You know, it looks like I'm super like insensitive, and it's quite literally the opposite. I've just been like beyond exhausted with how much I've put into it.

But I will say like I've.

But I will say like I've.

Gotten a lot of love and a lot of positivity, and it is really cool to see a lot of women like just relating to me and reaching out to me and really seeing like themselves in my relationship and my story. And I think especially now that everything's out, the reunions out, even after like the last podcast.

Gotten a lot of love and a lot of positivity, and it is really cool to see a lot of women like just relating to me and reaching out to me and really seeing like themselves in my relationship and my story. And I think especially now that everything's out, the reunions out, even after like the last podcast.

I did, because you did a pod you did Nick with Nick.

I did, because you did a pod you did Nick with Nick.

Yeah, so we did the Biophiles together, So that was kind of the last thing that that's come out, and so you know, we we got into a little bit of kind of what was going on and the reality of things.

Yeah, so we did the Biophiles together, So that was kind of the last thing that that's come out, and so you know, we we got into a little bit of kind of what was going on and the reality of things.

But I definitely would say like.

But I definitely would say like.

Just the overall vibe has kind of lightened and shifted since now it's like more of the truth is coming out and people can understand just more.

Just the overall vibe has kind of lightened and shifted since now it's like more of the truth is coming out and people can understand just more.

They just have more context to like what was going on.

They just have more context to like what was going on.

Is it hard because now because on the reunion Nick said that he's in a relationship now, So I mean, obviously, you know, you always always have love for that person, But I mean, is it has it been hard for you or you you know, have you started dating someone or so.

Is it hard because now because on the reunion Nick said that he's in a relationship now, So I mean, obviously, you know, you always always have love for that person, But I mean, is it has it been hard for you or you you know, have you started dating someone or so.

It's not hard for me that Nick is in a relationship. I actually would prefer him to be in a relationship because I think even through the last year of us being broken up, like he has still leaned on me as if i'm you know, his partner. And it's difficult because I never want to deny somebody like love and support, especially when I do care about them and love them. But again, it's like really trying to respect my own boundaries. And so I'm actually very happy that he's in a relationship and I'm not in a relationship. I haven't actually really been dating that much, Like I think this whole process has just been a lot, and especially just my ties to Nick and like really trying to separate everything. And I think now that the show was completely done and it's like, you know, the ties can fully be cut.

It's not hard for me that Nick is in a relationship. I actually would prefer him to be in a relationship because I think even through the last year of us being broken up, like he has still leaned on me as if i'm you know, his partner. And it's difficult because I never want to deny somebody like love and support, especially when I do care about them and love them. But again, it's like really trying to respect my own boundaries. And so I'm actually very happy that he's in a relationship and I'm not in a relationship. I haven't actually really been dating that much, Like I think this whole process has just been a lot, and especially just my ties to Nick and like really trying to separate everything. And I think now that the show was completely done and it's like, you know, the ties can fully be cut.

But yeah, no, I haven't really been dating.

But yeah, no, I haven't really been dating.

I'll actually remember what we were watching it. I was like sand it's just like she'd be like the girls girl, Like I want her in the girl group because I'm like, you just know that, like she'd have your back. Yeah, that's the thing, Like I can tell you know what I mean, I love it. You always need that friend. Or just like we were like there's a body bag that's needing help, you know, build, like she's gonna help carry it, you know, Like I like her.

I'll actually remember what we were watching it. I was like sand it's just like she'd be like the girls girl, Like I want her in the girl group because I'm like, you just know that, like she'd have your back. Yeah, that's the thing, Like I can tell you know what I mean, I love it. You always need that friend. Or just like we were like there's a body bag that's needing help, you know, build, like she's gonna help carry it, you know, Like I like her.

Yeah, No, I I really am like I'll do anything for my girlfriends.

Yeah, No, I I really am like I'll do anything for my girlfriends.

I will go to bad for them.

I will go to bad for them.

It's funny because it's like I can take a lot of heat myself, but if someone says something about my family, my sister, my friends, like that's when I know I'll lose it.

It's funny because it's like I can take a lot of heat myself, but if someone says something about my family, my sister, my friends, like that's when I know I'll lose it.

What is the biggest thing you've learned about yourself doing the show?

What is the biggest thing you've learned about yourself doing the show?

Oh, gosh, I mean a lot.

Oh, gosh, I mean a lot.

It's definitely interesting having you know, literally a mirror of yourself in a way like on TV. And it's definitely like allowed me to really look at certain things that maybe I wouldn't see.

It's definitely interesting having you know, literally a mirror of yourself in a way like on TV. And it's definitely like allowed me to really look at certain things that maybe I wouldn't see.

You know. I do think that.

You know. I do think that.

I think for me, like kind of leading with my vulnerability or my emotions is not something that is like it's not my first instinct, you know.

I think for me, like kind of leading with my vulnerability or my emotions is not something that is like it's not my first instinct, you know.

I do kind of like keep.

I do kind of like keep.

This harder shell up and I really try and keep it all together.

This harder shell up and I really try and keep it all together.

And it's actually interesting.

And it's actually interesting.

Watching it because I'm like, wow, Like I could see in moments where I I was literally crumbling and hurting so much and I was trying so hard to like keep a straight face, keep it together, hold back tears, and I just was like, I really think that it would have actually been a lot better had I just been really like vulnerable and real about like how I was feeling.

Watching it because I'm like, wow, Like I could see in moments where I I was literally crumbling and hurting so much and I was trying so hard to like keep a straight face, keep it together, hold back tears, and I just was like, I really think that it would have actually been a lot better had I just been really like vulnerable and real about like how I was feeling.

And I kind of allowed myself to do that the second half of it. But yeah, I think just like.

And I kind of allowed myself to do that the second half of it. But yeah, I think just like.

You know, knowing that it's okay to like actually be vulnerable lead with my heart and I don't have to always like keep it together and make sure that it's you know, make sure everyone else is comfortable, and then in return, I'm making myself uncomfortable. I think that was something that I was really trying to do throughout the process, especially with JR. Like, you know, living with living with somebody for three weeks, it's a super long time.

You know, knowing that it's okay to like actually be vulnerable lead with my heart and I don't have to always like keep it together and make sure that it's you know, make sure everyone else is comfortable, and then in return, I'm making myself uncomfortable. I think that was something that I was really trying to do throughout the process, especially with JR. Like, you know, living with living with somebody for three weeks, it's a super long time.

It is way too long.

It is way too long.

Yeah, like one or like one and a half week, it's like three weeks. I'm like, that has a really long time.

Yeah, like one or like one and a half week, it's like three weeks. I'm like, that has a really long time.

It was way too long, and it's an extremely uncomfortable situation. And then on top of it, there's cameras around everywhere, you're micd up, and I think for me, something that I do, I just always want to like make sure that you know, it's like a comfortable environment, you know. And so I think there were certain things.

It was way too long, and it's an extremely uncomfortable situation. And then on top of it, there's cameras around everywhere, you're micd up, and I think for me, something that I do, I just always want to like make sure that you know, it's like a comfortable environment, you know. And so I think there were certain things.

That maybe I didn't really.

That maybe I didn't really.

Say or stand up to that actually made me uncomfortable or you know that I wasn't really okay with because I wanted.

Say or stand up to that actually made me uncomfortable or you know that I wasn't really okay with because I wanted.

To keep the peace.

To keep the peace.

I didn't want to get in any like arguments or anything, you know, because it's like I wanted to protect my living situation.

I didn't want to get in any like arguments or anything, you know, because it's like I wanted to protect my living situation.

I was. We had to do it for three weeks.

I was. We had to do it for three weeks.

So I think, just like something I've also realized is, you know, it doesn't always have to be like the most comfortable environment if it's not true to myself and just being like I don't know, just just honoring myself enough to actually like say what I'm feeling in those moments, even if it makes the other person uncomfortable or upset.

So I think, just like something I've also realized is, you know, it doesn't always have to be like the most comfortable environment if it's not true to myself and just being like I don't know, just just honoring myself enough to actually like say what I'm feeling in those moments, even if it makes the other person uncomfortable or upset.

A little bit.

A little bit.

Yeah, we were just talking about that, Yeah, honoring yourself. Yeah yeah.

Yeah, we were just talking about that, Yeah, honoring yourself. Yeah yeah.

Is there anyone on the show and you don't need sounds to this that you really grew with thisslike over the weeks of the periods, Alan.

Is there anyone on the show and you don't need sounds to this that you really grew with thisslike over the weeks of the periods, Alan.

That's a funny question.

That's a funny question.

No, we didn't really get to interact with the other castmates, so it was really we were very secluded with our trial marriage and then with you know, then you go back with when I went back with Nick, so we didn't really even get to know the other castmates. I think it's a unique thing other shows. Everyone's really close, So I didn't really start talking to the castmates until honestly after the reunion.

No, we didn't really get to interact with the other castmates, so it was really we were very secluded with our trial marriage and then with you know, then you go back with when I went back with Nick, so we didn't really even get to know the other castmates. I think it's a unique thing other shows. Everyone's really close, So I didn't really start talking to the castmates until honestly after the reunion.

There was one guy in the show that I thought he was really calculated and nasty.

There was one guy in the show that I thought he was really calculated and nasty.

Teking about Scotti. Yeah, I know, I it sucks. I think Scotty is.

Teking about Scotti. Yeah, I know, I it sucks. I think Scotty is.

I mean, I don't know him in a relationship setting, obviously, and I think people can be different in relationships.

I mean, I don't know him in a relationship setting, obviously, and I think people can be different in relationships.

But he's such a nice guy. He really truly is.

But he's such a nice guy. He really truly is.

And I feel bad because it's like I think, just you know, kind of his worst moments are only shown, but he Yeah, he's he's a really really sweet guy.

And I feel bad because it's like I think, just you know, kind of his worst moments are only shown, but he Yeah, he's he's a really really sweet guy.

But I do think that like there was a lot of.

But I do think that like there was a lot of.

Issues in the relationship and maybe just things for him to look at within himself. That again, like you don't really know until you're actually seeing it on TV and you're like, whoa, OK. It just gives you a different perspective. But yeah, I know, Scott, He's he's really nice.

Issues in the relationship and maybe just things for him to look at within himself. That again, like you don't really know until you're actually seeing it on TV and you're like, whoa, OK. It just gives you a different perspective. But yeah, I know, Scott, He's he's really nice.

I swear.

I swear.

I feel like there was a few anger pieces that came out that I was a little a.

I feel like there was a few anger pieces that came out that I was a little a.

Little and that's my judgment based off the air, Yeah, and not personally him, but he just came across as really like he could snaff it anything.

Little and that's my judgment based off the air, Yeah, and not personally him, but he just came across as really like he could snaff it anything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's good to again, there's always two sides editing. That's why I think that's why we watched these shows. And it's like we're all human and you know, it's like if we had a camera in our face, you know, gosh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's good to again, there's always two sides editing. That's why I think that's why we watched these shows. And it's like we're all human and you know, it's like if we had a camera in our face, you know, gosh.

I think it's something in a note with that, and it's like people don't maybe understand. But so the show is we film for two months, two full months of filming every single day, like maybe ten hours a day, and you know, it's condensed into nine episodes because of the reunion is you know, the tenth episode, and so it's like nine hours and then split between twelve people. So obviously, I mean that's just how TV works. Of course, you can only show certain.