Confidence is something that most of us struggle with, but Jana and Allan are ready to find out how confident they REALLY are.
Body positivity activist Ella Halikas joins Jana and Allan to share how to deal with negative comments, why we need to stop believing that skinny equals healthy, and how to raise your own personal confidence!
Plus, Jana reveals what she really thinks about “dad bods”.
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I know since it was Therapy Thursday. So the touch breaking news. Our Thursday episode is going to be called Adult Education with Jamma and Alan. Yeah, it's under the wind Down. It still wind Down, but it's set of Therapy Thursday. It's called Adult Education with Jana and no on.
Same type of guests, ones that are interested in inspirational people.
We're gonna chat a little bit, yeah.
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It would be good. We're gonna have, you know, same kind of drill as the other show. We'll have host chat and then we'll have our guests come on. So we're gonna let you guys in a little bit, not too much. We're not gonna open the door. Fully, we've learned that lesson before.
Do you help?
I am, but it's just gonna be. Yeah, we're gonna have We're gonna have all types of guests on. We've got a really good one today. We've got Ella Helikas on. She's an American model, TikToker and body positivity activists. Just got a lot of confidence, is what she said. I see you confidence, see you have confidence. I have a question on a scale of one to ten, how confident do you think you are? And how how confident do you think you are or are you? And then how confident do you think other people perceive you? On a scale of one to ten, So your perception of your one to ten, and then how other people perceive you as confidence.
What's a tough question, because you're confident in different areas of your life and different things as a whole, as a whole, so generalized school.
Yeah, Well, obviously you're more confident in your work. Yeah so, but I mean as a whole, as like a everything you do.
Probably probably seven.
Okay, that's good. And then how do you think people perceive you're confident?
I don't know, don't really think about it. Okay, they probably perceive it. I used to always get this when I was younger, because I was quiet. When you're quiet and you have some sort of presence, people assume you're arrogant when it's not the case at all. I'm fairly confident. I'm not on the arrogant on any level. Would you agree with that?
I hate just.
No, I mean you're confident? No, no, no, like you're you're definitely confident. And some I will say this sometimes I think it's hard to because sometimes it comes off as that what you said, I don't want to say it, but because I don't think you that you are, but it's it's also the accent and the you know, you're not like super warm and fuzzy, so it might come off that way. But knowing you now, that's not obviously, but I could see how maybe that's perceived, just how people would flip that on me too.
What's your scale? Then your confidence within yourself?
I have to say a five life okay, and then I think people perceive me more confident. I think I don't know, maybe not though maybe I have no idea. I've never really asked anyone, what do you think?
Well, I can't comment on how you read your confidence because that's how you feel within yourself. But I think, yeah, I think people would that you're a lot more confident than a five.
You you think I am?
That's sweet?
All right, Well let's get the CEO of confidence on because clearly we're not to the top, we're not our we're not our own CEO and confidence. So let's get Ella on and let's see how she can help us.
Hello.
Hi, how are you.
Hi?
I'm good, I'm Jana. This is Alan.
Nice to meet you.
Hi, Nice to meet you, guys. Thanks for having.
Me, thank you for coming on.
And we were just talking about your CEO of confidence because and we were ranking ourselves. I said, I'm a five out of ten what I perceived myself in confidence? And then he's he's a seven out of ten. And I'm like, well, we're doing it all wrong because she says that you say that you're like the top, right, what did you say?
What was the word?
Thank you? I read something that you said you have delusional confidence.
Yes, delusional confidence, And I feel like all the girlies on TikTok are talking about like Delulu being Delulu and I'm like, no, it actually works.
No, wait, what is that? Because I'm so old and I don't know what any of those words mean.
Okay, so Delulu is like delusional, so everyone's like be Delulu. Like everyone's being Delulu, and I'm like, no, I swear by being delusional because if you're delusional, like in your confidence and what you can achieve, like you can do it if you already you know, you just have to be a little delusional.
I say, I like that.
I think that's great because it's almost like you're, like I always say, like a fake it to make it kind of thing. I'm like, well, I might as well just do everything that I can, because what's the worst thing that happens. Well, I don't get something, because right, I don't know. But if you believe it hard enough, then you gotta I guess totally.
No, one hundred percent. And it took years.
Like I came from like a very like insecure, grew up super insecure was always like the biggest of my friend group.
But then I feel like when I found that, I was like just.
So tired of being tired and like tired of being insecure sure that I was like, okay, I need to do something here. So I was like, let's just switch it and go full force confidence and kind.
Of what you said.
Like in the beginning, I was like faking it till I make it in a way of like every day just giving me affirmations like I got this, like you know what, like it's okay if I need a bigger size genes, like we're gonna be good, and just almost like pep talking yourself into it, and then soon after like wait, I actually look good.
Wait I'm actually happy how I look. I'm actually happy who I am?
And like you start like that self talk starts getting from negative to positive, you know, like the more you do it.
That's what I need to do.
So yeah, I'm the I'm I think we're all we're all our own worst critics. But I talk so down to myself all the time, Like it's especially with the chatter. And I've really like I've I've gotten off social media a lot and I don't scroll and I kind of just go on to do my thing and then you know, see a few people's pages. But besides that, it's you know, it's I don't. I don't read the comments anymore because then I start to almost in a way, like believe them.
You know that's so true. Like you start reading it and you're like, wait, do I look like that? Or is that?
I was like, am I? Am I a narcissist? Am I this? Like I was like trying.
To like diagnose you. Yeah, Like wait, maybe I.
Think it's good though, to look at ourselves. Like that's the thing, Like I've taken some of these comments, like there was something that happened a couple of months ago where I was like, totally I was a hypocrite. You know, I said something and then I and then I said something else, and that made me look like a hypocrite. And so it's like I think there's certain things that like you can you can use those comments for good.
Right, yeah, no, you can spend it? Why oh yeah?
I think that was one of the questions.
And it doesn't have to be fun now, But one of the questions was how you like how you fast? And foremost I've read up a lot about it yesterday, and I like a lot of the stuff that I read. And because you're so authentic to who you are, and you've remained authentic even when there's been opportunities to not be. But even like your workout program, like the messaging you put within the workout program, like how strong it makes you feel and how much lean muscle you're getting, or how it's tightening your body up, and not once do you mention that you're losing weight or it makes you feel thinner, So you're always kind of your messaging is really intelligent around how you quit yourself on social media and media platforms. So that was that was a compliment to you and how you've done things. But I guess I think one of the big questions for me was how like you spoke about your internal your inner voice, your internal voice, how do you manage your internal voice when you get the external negativity? Like the comments on social media I read like I didn't read it, but I read an article.
One of them was like in.
Trust me at this is an educational piece because there's so many young listeners that are on this podcast, and it was like, oh, she walks faster to McDonald's than the runway, So how do you deal with stuff like that? And it's I guess it's just to educate whoever's listening here because it's you're so inspiring.
Yeah, thank you. No, I really appreciate that compliment.
I think going back to like what you were saying Jena about like the comments, Yes, you can turn it into good, but you have to realize, like majority of the people that are commenting, like they don't know you, they don't follow you, you don't get on the phone, you don't talk to them. If it was a family member or someone really close to you that sat you down and gave you like criticism, it's like.
Okay, like I'll look within, let's talk about this.
But it's someone online, maybe with a fake profile photo or a fake name, or just honestly a really miserable person.
And like you have to understand like misery.
Likes company, and people that are doing well aren't compliment or commenting negative things.
So someone is like saying negative things about me, I actually look not within.
I look at them like, oh I'm sorry, like I give them grace, like they must be really hurting. Because someone that is confident, a go getter, going after their own thing in their own lane, doing their own thing and successful, They're not going to sit there and comment on my.
Body because they're focused on them.
So I think if I get negative comments, I try to always not internalize it if it's not productive to internalize it, and I do say, like, no one knows you, no one knows your full story, no one knows what you've fully been through, So it's easy for an outsider to have so much to say, but they've never been in your shoes, right, no one has, so like, once you know that, you can kind of walk where you're almost like their comments are like water and you almost just let them like run off your back. And I think something that helps you with the internal voice is like I always say this, and I.
It might already be used, but like I feel like I say this a lot. I'm like I should write a book about this.
But like I say, it's like a light switch method where anytime I get a negative thought that makes me anxious, sad.
Remember, do you remember the this Book of Mormons? Do you've ever seen that play?
No?
No, it's it's a really.
Bad reference to this because they're like, if you feel this, turn it off.
But yeah, like a light that's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, totally turn it off.
And I'm like it sounds silly.
But when you visual lies a light switch in your head and you actually have that thought, I literally think I'm turning it off, and then you turn on you replace a positive thought. So like it sounds silly, but the more you do it, the easier it gets, so that the less negative thoughts are coming in.
Because it's like a pattern, Like we have to work out, we have to.
Train our muscles, like you have to train your brain. You have to train the way you think. You have to train the way you think by yourself. So that's why I don't let negative thoughts get to me or my own voice. Is I really just try and just turn it off. No, it's not productive and probably not even true and doing more harm than it.
Is doing good. You know.
Yeah, that's such a great point. Also, there's so many times too the Allan has in the past reminded me when you know, there was comments being thrown. He's like the four walls, what's in the four walls you know of this house? Is like, that's that's what's important, that's what matters, and that's those are the voices that you need to be listening to. So I think that's also centering, you know, in your home. What is the truth, because again, nobody knows that the actual truth besides within the four walls.
No.
And that's such a grounding way to look at it too. I love that I've never heard of that one.
You can put it in your book.
I will there you go, Yeah, I will sell you.
We totally.
What was that?
What did that call?
When you like trademarket? We trademarked it. What age do you remember were you when you remembered that first message of body.
Comparisons?
Because my daughter has recently she's in third grade and she's like, Mommy, am I am I skinny?
Or am I fat?
And I'm just like and I'm trying to find the words like you're healthy and I'm trying to explain, and it's like i feel like I'm not finding my words with it because I'm like, I don't want to say one thing, and then I don't know. It's curious, like what is where that messaging came in for you?
At? What age?
Looking back? I've actually never been asked that. I honestly feel like fourth or fifth grade, so I would say like nine or ten years old. I feel like in swim practice and like I always.
Played sports, and like we're always comparing our bodies to the other you know, like the girls you're like swimming with, or like all my best friends I said, were like smaller builds, even at a younger age, like and I think it just like you start to look I guess like maybe around like age ten, you start to be like, huh, well, blah blah blah looks a little bigger, blah blah looks smaller, and you start to like see other people's appearances in your own and it is sad, like I forgot that it started that young. And when I was babysitting this girl years and years ago from my hometown, she was like I want to say, she was nine years old and her mom was super like hard on dieting and would always talk about diet and body stuff and how she wanted to lose weight in front of her young daughter.
And I remember she kept.
Saying like, I'm so fat, I'm so fat, And she was nine years old and like I think seventy pounds and actually was one of the doctor to get help because she was too small for her age, and she kept saying, I'm so fat, I'm so fat, and like would look in the mirror and she was nine, and I was like, oh my god, Like what do I do here? Like this is crazy, and like I had to tell her mom, like I don't know what's going on, but we need to like watch out for this, Like she's starting to say alarming things about her body. And it made me reflect within myself. I'm like, I guess for me too, I started to like look at bodies at like ten.
But I never had those self deprecating thoughts of like I'm so fat at that age.
Like that was really sad to see. And I honestly think it gets worse with social media and just like how many girls are on it at a younger age now than we ever had, and that can be super harmful, especially with the filters, everyone editing their body like you just can't escape it. So I honestly think the age is getting younger and younger.
Yeah, you've been quoted this same being fit and healthy looks different on everybody, on everybody.
I don't know how you said that.
Yeah, can you elaborate a little bit on that and when what you exactly you mean by that?
Yeah, I mean I just think that going back to the gym thing too, It's like when you work out, people think you must be wanting to lose weight, or like there's only one goal for working out and that is to be smaller, And I'm like, but I don't look at it that way. So it's like, I want to work out to feel healthy. I want everything to move properly. I want to feel strong. I want to feel good in my skin. I want my clothes to feel good.
Like it has.
Really nothing little to do with losing weight. If that's your goal, great, there's nothing wrong with losing weight. I'm not someone that's like, shame on you to lose weight.
It doesn't matter. Do what you want.
But I think fitness and health can look so different on everybody. And like growing up too, like playing soccer for fifteen years. I was always a little bit thicker, but like still had an athletic build. But if you looked at me, you probably wouldn't think I was a good soccer player. But then when I played, I would like outwork everyone. I was like super aggressive, I was very great, like with the ball, I had great skills, and everyone I think would be confused or like they would see me in the gym and be like, oh good, for this girl getting at it. I'm like, no, no, I could probably live heavier than you. Like, like, I am really fit and I am in shape, but just because I'm a little curvier and have a little extra weight on my bones, you think I must be so unhealthy eating junk food at home.
And it's like it goes so much farther.
You know, later in life, I found out I had pcos. I'm like, well, that explains it. Can't lose lose weight for the life of me. My mom's always been curvier and always had bigger hips. Like we just have similar builds in our genetics. And so it's so silly and harmful to look at someone and say unhealthy, fat, healthy, skinny. It is just so wholer it doesn't even make sense. And like when I was smaller and I was running every day and I was watching everything that I ate, I was so mentally unhealthy, like I was, I was spiraling food controlled my mind.
I watched everything I.
Ate, and then I would binge, and then I would deprive, and then I'd binge and then but then I would run five miles a day to just like burn off the food I had in the morning.
And like you're gonna say that's healthy.
But I was smaller, so if you looked at me, you would say, wow, good for you, Ella, you look great. But on the inside I was like dying. And so it's like, it's so crazy, this notion of like the polar opposite of like healthy, skinny, bigger unhealthy. It just doesn't make sense to me. I actually feel healthier and happier now to size fourteen than I did out of size six. And so that's just my been my journey, and so I try to like remind people that to give other people grace to stop being such trolls and bullies online and be like, get in the gym, you fat whatever. It's like, Okay, I have a personal trainer, I have meal plans. Next subject like it doesn't even like offend me anymore.
You know.
Okay, you mentioned the is it PC the polycystic ovarian syndrome, so and correct me if I'm wrong, But yesterday I read that one of the one of the medications for that as it ozempick.
Yeah that is, but a.
Zempic makes you whether it be right, and seeing that makes you.
Lose weight if you take it.
Definitely.
Did you have a did you a dilemma or will you have a given that medication? And if you will, did you have a dilemma taking it because it would have possibly changed from you and your brand and what you stand for.
Yeah.
So it's interesting because I went to an obgi N who I was working with.
On my PCOS, and she had.
I never really fully talked about this publicly, but she had actually recommended or offered that I do it, and I was a little turned.
Off by it.
Like I'm very like, I feel like I can do it in a natural way. I feel like if I need to lose weight for my PCOS symptoms to go down, that's one thing, and I will work with a doctor to get to like my most optimal self.
But if you're going to give me a quick fix like.
A you know, ozebic, I don't feel comfortable with that, especially kind.
Of goes against what I preach.
So it made me a little icky feeling, and I just kind of like, look, I kindly want to pass.
I want to stick to an alternative route. If you're saying eat.
Less dairy and gluten because it's too much inflammation, I'll try that.
You know, if lower impact work workouts.
Help my body more with PCUS rather than like high intensity. Great, I'll go on more walks like I'm more of like I want to do a holistic approach on it. So I haven't taken ozembic. I believe that it could do a lot of great things.
I know a lot of close.
Friends and family that actually are on it and it has helped them tremendously great. But I just think in this point in my life, it's not for me. And she was like, okay, like I respect that, like we'll you know, monitor everything and see how everything's doing. And I'm on like a close regimen and stuff with her.
But I have been offered it and I have not taken it.
No congratulations, folks. Second, see of morals and values on it.
Well, I'll let me.
I'll just say people, I'm sure they have morals as well that they have to go on it. You know, they might go on for different you know. I think that's just a touchy subject to it, because it's like, I think everyone makes the right choice for themselves, right totally. I totally hear what you're saying, though, you know, and I think it would go against what your authenticity is with your branding, and but you know, you're you're doing the approach that is works best for you, you know.
And I'm not against it either.
So like, if let's say I'm saying this now, but let's say eight months from now, nothing's changed, maybe my levels are not good, and she's looking at my blood work and she's like, we.
Need to get this down.
I really think ozepic will help with the inflammation of the whatever hormones that you're having. Like, okay, great, we'll revisit that conversation. You know what I'm saying. So I agree that it really does depend on the person and what fits for you.
What I do have a problem.
With, and it can be controversial saying, but what I do have a problem is when smaller people are going into the notion of like this whole like a lot has changed, Like everyone wants to be skinny. Skinny's in again, right, So, like the Heroic Sheet came back, and I know a lot of smaller women that are getting on it just for the want and desire to be smaller.
Now, am I like, shame on you?
No?
But what hurts me is when like online people are coming on on that are maybe starting as a size four and have no health issues, and they're getting on it just to get thinner, while telling an audience you should do it too, this is what I'm doing. I look so good, I'm so skinny. I think that can be harmful. So I have a hard time. It's a very touchy subject with Ozambic.
For sure.
Well, you're lucky right now.
Medically you have a choice where there's medically some people might not.
Be able to have a choice. Yeah, you'll be forced to take it exactly.
I'm curious.
I'm like the guy standpoint because I feel like, did you ever have body stuff while playing or feeling like you had to? Because I feel like everyone kind of has their own you know. I'm forty, and so I was of the age of like having to be, you know, super thin. And when I after I just had it. We just had a baby nine months ago, and I started my friends like, you know, you should really start lifting weights, and you need to eat more. Like I've never eaten as much food in my entire life, and I had to retrain my brain to stop weighing myself, you know, like there were so many things I had to like change and like, oh I can I can eat this and I can eat this like and it was fascinating how at forty years old, I'm having to retrain my brain of what I thought it was supposed to be. And then I'm like, oh, I've been missing out. I'm like eat food and eating and like enjoying my life and also like lifting and I don't have to run every single day miles and miles and miles and like kill myself, like lift weights instead and eat more food.
Like what I love that?
I don't know, like on your side, like have you where does it feel like?
Well?
When I played, you're always like when when you play professional soccer, most days you're on a calorie and deficit, and not through choice, just because you've bune so many calories training, but you also you've got a certain weight that you want to keep yourself up because you know that's you're playing mate, you've got a certain body fat percent because the part of that is the social pressure as well, because you get mates and if you get teammates that are most of them are eight percent body fat and ten percent and you're fourteen, then you've got that pressure from and then the dressing room. I was lucky that I was always kind of balance from my weight, but whenever I felt I was getting a bit heavy, I would just do more. But I think certain people react well to being in a calorie deficit, and some people don't.
They just make up that it's easier for guys to fluctuate as opposed to women.
It's worry the pregnant or you know.
I think that's just an assumption. I think guys worry about it. Maybe not as much as women, but they certainly certainly worry about it. Like being in a dressing room with guys, like it's a big thing how you look and how fit you are and how lean you are.
I mean it, it's huge.
Right.
It is interesting now to hear a guys perspective, What do you think about the whole notion of like the pressure of women to be smaller is greater than the pressure for men to be smaller. Like men, I feel like a physique and having muscles, maybe you have pressure to like get fit and have these like great big muscles or abs. But like for but we appreciate a dad bot, right, We're like, yeah, I never appreciated.
I love it, like you always like, oh my bell. I'm like babe, I love like.
Point a dad poon.
No, I'm just saying like like sometimes you're like I have to work out, and I'm like, babe, I love it.
Like give me the cushion, you know what I mean, there's a weight that you're comfortable with that you've got, Like there's a certain weight that you're comfortable with physiologically that you you.
Can have energy and you can go and work out. But then you've got a way where you might be preparing for something like a holiday or a honeymoon or a competition, and that weight is a lot lower.
But to her point, though.
It looks, it looks Lena, yeah, but you don't feel like you've got as much energy. You don't know there is as much brain function or But I think going back to your point, there's a lot more more pressure on women to be smaller one percent. I think those are there's there's a different pressure on men to be almost to be bok here and have more muscles.
No, that's just y'all's brain You're because I don't I mean, I know, I know what you're saying, but nothing against the big old muscle. But it's like I don't that's that's not the some women might love that look. I love this look, you know, No, not that you're you're you're in ship, but either way, it's it's like I don't look at you differently, like I don't.
I don't know.
Yeah, guys are funny.
I feel like they always feel like they need to like and girls want them like we don't always want that. Like you don't even have the big the biggest muscles in that room, Like it's not like, oh yeah, it's like okay, these muscles, Like it's not like I don't know, it's.
Different, but I do feel like there would be pressure on the opposite.
Yeah, yeah, there's definitely more pressure for women.
It comes to that. I completely agree.
It goes so far back to like generations and like in the town, in the media, it's like this celebrity let herself go this, Oh she's been eating too many cakes or Britney spears like not in the gym enough, Like this started from way way back. Just like in the media, what was just shaming women. I mean, if you see those interviews too of you know, men making the like they were interviewing I forget who it was, but they made her step on a scale in the interview.
Oh yeah, who was that? I just saw that some documentary or that was wild. Why So this doesn't even have to be food related. It can just be in life in general. But what is the most unhealthy thing you do in your life? And what is the healthiest thing that you do?
Oh, that's a good question. Thanks, It's a really good one. It could be food or not food related.
So the unhealthiest thing I do, the n hoalthies thing I do, I feel like is.
Like not how do I word it?
Like not prioritizing balance, like I have that like toxic hustle hustle work grind culture like ingrained in me still that I feel like if I'm not working twelve hours a day, like I'm not going to get to where I want to be. And I feel like I'll be on my computer like answering emails or working until like ten at night, and my friends will like, dude, put it down, like it's you know, and I whether it's a phone or computer, I feel like I'm always and then I and then I start comparing myself for like I'm not doing enough, and it's like that self deprecating thoughts of like do more do more, do more.
And I think that like.
Hustle culture like actually catches up to you in a physical way where I'll I'll start to feel my body shutting down, whether I'm getting sick or like things are going on internally, Like I feel it and it's real, and so I have to like tell myself, like check yourself, like it's okay to be normal and stop at let's say six or seven before dinner and fucking rest for a second.
Like I feel like I just go.
A million miles a minute and not in a good way, and I feel like it's like unhealthy.
So that's unhealthy healthy healthy? Healthy? This is why is it hard to think of something? Hell that I do?
This?
What the heck? I like this question now.
Really bad question?
No, I know because now healthy I was thinking.
I mean I would say healthy wise eating like friends or like guys I've dated, or.
Like you have like such a healthy, balanced diet, which is.
Great, and like you motivate me a lot, like at dinner, like we don't need to get dessert, Like what are we doing?
Like I think I'm very practical in the way I eat.
I'm practical in the way like of the mindset around food of like is this gonna fuel me?
But also not like depriving myself.
So like I've learned a lot with if you want it, you can have it because the more you focus on it, like it's there's a term for it, I'm forgetting it. But like mindful eat or what's it called intuitive eating, I feel like that's healthy. Yeah, it's like that's my healthy thing. Is like I'm great now at intuitively eating. You know, I like to look at things that are going to nourish my body. But then if I do want a sweet treet or if I want to eat like chips and salts like a taco at night, and I'm like, I'm not going to beat myself up beat myself up over it. I feel like I just balance it out through the day. So I feel like I've done that pretty well.
Okay, I love that.
Yeah, good answer. It's like when I get the interestion of I need free what to see.
Every night? Yeah? Every night?
He's we have like this cereal that we love and is that I need it every night?
Right, see, like the late night treat.
Okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's all good. So what's next? Where can our listeners find what you're doing all the things.
Yeah, you can find me on Instagram and TikTok at Ella Holikis. I'm going to fashion make really soon next week. I'm really excited. I'm working on a few fun projects. I do a lot of fun like recreation shoots, so I'm working on like a new series that I'm going to drop. I'm also looking and working at getting into confident coaching. I feel like a lot of my audience has been asking me for years now to help them, So I'm working on building out kind of a business structure around that and like bringing on more girls to help them more one on one and in a group basis.
And yeah, just more and more fun things coming up.
So I love that.
We'll follow along with Ella everybody, and thank you so much for coming on and just being you an authentic and real so we appreciate you.
Thank you for having me. You guys are great. I can't wait to follow along the journey.
Yeah, congrats, guys. You later I meet you.
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I love her. She's so good. She's so great, like in her confidence is.
Pure. Yeah, that's that's what like we should all strive for.
Yeah, there's no agenda behind that she did, and.
There's no arrogance, there's no She's just I love that.
Kay. All right, well our first adult education dolls? Is that what you're we're calling it adult education?
No? No, I've got that book.
Oh my gosh, you don't have did you do? Know what I mean? Though I'm no, you're not, because you're going to say that and.
I know I don't.
Okay, because though you say you're not sensitive, that'll come back up in something. In about a week. You'll say one little comment like I'm gonna have to go to the gym because I've got a dad bad.
I'm like, oh my gosh, that's not what I meant. All Right, see you next week, honey,