Kelly and Chip discuss the influx of conversation around frustration with dating apps and what many people are turning to in response. Kelly also gives her new outlook on dating and relationships and they both discuss how their mentality has changed over the years, as well as the spiritual component to relationships in general. Chip talks about his latest success in his process of dating and why small wins can change the name of the dating game. 

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