Hi.

Hi.

I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.

We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.

And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling.

And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling.

Railvalry.

Railvalry.

No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Revelry.

No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Revelry.

That's good, Oliver Hudson. Yes, why are you? I'm pretty good. I'm good. I'm just a little bit sad. Oh, Oliver, why are you sad?

That's good, Oliver Hudson. Yes, why are you? I'm pretty good. I'm good. I'm just a little bit sad. Oh, Oliver, why are you sad?

Well?

Well?

Because it's a little gloomy out today and there's fires in Malibu. Oh that's okay, Oliver. You know, life is interesting, the ups and the and sometimes shit will pass. I know, Oliver. So let's me talking to myself. It just reminded me of something I did in therapy. Oh my god, it was fucking horrible. This is a while back, dealing with you know, daddy issues, dealing with sort of you know whatever, not just daddy issues. Whatever my childhood brought on, you know that then affected my adult life. And know, therapy is good for everyone, even if you're from the insanely fucked up to the you know, the so called normal or not normal. No one's normal. Everyone has their shit. Therapy is probably good for every human being on this planet, but trying to sort of break through something. My therapist made me do this exercise and I was reminded by it by me my little sort of talked myself that I just did. I had to play my current self and then my younger self, my six year old boy, would then talk to my adult self, and I would have to have this conversation with myself as Oliver in the present day and then Oliver as a six year old boy. Now it gets better. I had to switch positions in the couch to talk to myself, so I'd sit on one end. I'd be like, hey, hey, little man, like how you doing, and then move over to the other side of the couch and be like hi, like I'm okay, Like how are you and then move over and like, yeah, you look sad, little buddy, like what's going on? And then I'd switch over and I'd be like, you know, I just don't feel safe and I feel insecure, and you know, I just I wish I had my parents around it. And then I'd switch over and like it's okay. I mean, it was extremely embarrassed, even though it's just myself and my therapist when he said it to me, We're gonna do this exercise, I'm like, no, no, man, like, come on, like, what the fuh? And he made me do it and it was awful, it was it was It's still I think that caused me, That experience caused me to seek out more therapy. Actually, at the end of the day, you know, it was more try. That exercise was more traumatizing than you know, my parents splitting up. Anyway, I digress this other thing, the I digress thing. I think I use it right, but I never really know like I digress. It's not I digressed, meaning like I digressed, but I digress. I'm gonna ramble mode. Well, we have some fun guests in the waiting room right now, and uh, very excited to sort of get into the talking about psychology. When we're talking about sort of religion faith number one, but then we're talking about sort of the psychology of what it feels like and why it feels better to basically be one of in this situation. I think three wives to one man. They are from the hit show Sister Wives, and I think we've all probably caught a glimpse of it. It's just such so fascinating. It just speaks to just humanity. How we're all different, we all feel different things, we all love different things, we all, you know, different things make us happy. And it's the beauty of who we are. We're not all one and the same. Let's get into it. I don't know if there's anything off limits. I don't know. We'll see. I'll probably put my foot in my mouth, but that's kind of the fun of listening to this goddamn show. Christine Brown and Janelle Brown and bring them in. Let's talk sister wives. Hello, Janelle, how are you?

Because it's a little gloomy out today and there's fires in Malibu. Oh that's okay, Oliver. You know, life is interesting, the ups and the and sometimes shit will pass. I know, Oliver. So let's me talking to myself. It just reminded me of something I did in therapy. Oh my god, it was fucking horrible. This is a while back, dealing with you know, daddy issues, dealing with sort of you know whatever, not just daddy issues. Whatever my childhood brought on, you know that then affected my adult life. And know, therapy is good for everyone, even if you're from the insanely fucked up to the you know, the so called normal or not normal. No one's normal. Everyone has their shit. Therapy is probably good for every human being on this planet, but trying to sort of break through something. My therapist made me do this exercise and I was reminded by it by me my little sort of talked myself that I just did. I had to play my current self and then my younger self, my six year old boy, would then talk to my adult self, and I would have to have this conversation with myself as Oliver in the present day and then Oliver as a six year old boy. Now it gets better. I had to switch positions in the couch to talk to myself, so I'd sit on one end. I'd be like, hey, hey, little man, like how you doing, and then move over to the other side of the couch and be like hi, like I'm okay, Like how are you and then move over and like, yeah, you look sad, little buddy, like what's going on? And then I'd switch over and I'd be like, you know, I just don't feel safe and I feel insecure, and you know, I just I wish I had my parents around it. And then I'd switch over and like it's okay. I mean, it was extremely embarrassed, even though it's just myself and my therapist when he said it to me, We're gonna do this exercise, I'm like, no, no, man, like, come on, like, what the fuh? And he made me do it and it was awful, it was it was It's still I think that caused me, That experience caused me to seek out more therapy. Actually, at the end of the day, you know, it was more try. That exercise was more traumatizing than you know, my parents splitting up. Anyway, I digress this other thing, the I digress thing. I think I use it right, but I never really know like I digress. It's not I digressed, meaning like I digressed, but I digress. I'm gonna ramble mode. Well, we have some fun guests in the waiting room right now, and uh, very excited to sort of get into the talking about psychology. When we're talking about sort of religion faith number one, but then we're talking about sort of the psychology of what it feels like and why it feels better to basically be one of in this situation. I think three wives to one man. They are from the hit show Sister Wives, and I think we've all probably caught a glimpse of it. It's just such so fascinating. It just speaks to just humanity. How we're all different, we all feel different things, we all love different things, we all, you know, different things make us happy. And it's the beauty of who we are. We're not all one and the same. Let's get into it. I don't know if there's anything off limits. I don't know. We'll see. I'll probably put my foot in my mouth, but that's kind of the fun of listening to this goddamn show. Christine Brown and Janelle Brown and bring them in. Let's talk sister wives. Hello, Janelle, how are you?

Oh good? I'm with Maddie and Caleb in Greenville, so in North Carolina because we actually have purchased some property and we are starting a farm next year.

Oh good? I'm with Maddie and Caleb in Greenville, so in North Carolina because we actually have purchased some property and we are starting a farm next year.

So amazing. I've been at Greenville a bunch of times. Actually, have you really?

So amazing. I've been at Greenville a bunch of times. Actually, have you really?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I used to play in this golf tournament at the BMW golf tournament there, and I played at thorn Blade, and I stayed in the little town there in Greenville. I loved it.

I used to play in this golf tournament at the BMW golf tournament there, and I played at thorn Blade, and I stayed in the little town there in Greenville. I loved it.

Funny, green feels great. It's such a small town. But you have really anything that you want. It's it's cute, cute stuff.

Funny, green feels great. It's such a small town. But you have really anything that you want. It's it's cute, cute stuff.

And Christine, where are you and.

And Christine, where are you and.

Lehi, Utah, like it's Salt Lake City. It's like, if you see the valley of Salt Lake City, we're like right over the mountain and you should see the insane view I have from my back porch. Mountains is gorgeous.

Lehi, Utah, like it's Salt Lake City. It's like, if you see the valley of Salt Lake City, we're like right over the mountain and you should see the insane view I have from my back porch. Mountains is gorgeous.

Is that amazing?

Is that amazing?

There? You want to do? You can do and then within an hour from us?

There? You want to do? You can do and then within an hour from us?

Yeah, it's amazing.

Yeah, it's amazing.

Well, thank you guys for coming on. This is really fun. I let's just get into it, you know what I mean? Like, first of all, why are you guys in separate locations? This is all you know, a new experience for me. So are you where? Why are you living in separate places? You know? Where is everybody?

Well, thank you guys for coming on. This is really fun. I let's just get into it, you know what I mean? Like, first of all, why are you guys in separate locations? This is all you know, a new experience for me. So are you where? Why are you living in separate places? You know? Where is everybody?

Yeah? We lived in flag Staff together, okay, And right after I left Pody, I moved up to Utah. My kids are up there and I just wanted to be up there instead. And flag Staff I don't have a lot of you know, I have good memories with my kids and flag Staff, but no things. I don't want to ever stay there ever again. So I moved to Salt Lake City, Utah, and lived there for a couple, like for a couple of years in that location until I met David and then we moved in together in March. But I'm going to stay in Utah. I love it here. It feels like home. I finally feel like I'm home now. Yeah, there's so many years where we spent wandering and traveling and moving, and I feel like this is home.

Yeah? We lived in flag Staff together, okay, And right after I left Pody, I moved up to Utah. My kids are up there and I just wanted to be up there instead. And flag Staff I don't have a lot of you know, I have good memories with my kids and flag Staff, but no things. I don't want to ever stay there ever again. So I moved to Salt Lake City, Utah, and lived there for a couple, like for a couple of years in that location until I met David and then we moved in together in March. But I'm going to stay in Utah. I love it here. It feels like home. I finally feel like I'm home now. Yeah, there's so many years where we spent wandering and traveling and moving, and I feel like this is home.

Now with Cod with Cody, you spent these years travel We moved a.

Now with Cod with Cody, you spent these years travel We moved a.

Lot, like I swear it was every few years. Who was I think, just always trying to help our family, be like, get get better financially whatever, And so I feel like we were always just moving or for whatever reasons.

Lot, like I swear it was every few years. Who was I think, just always trying to help our family, be like, get get better financially whatever, And so I feel like we were always just moving or for whatever reasons.

You know.

You know.

I one time got mad and I'm like, there's thirteen people in this badly and you only care about one. And that was a while ago. But yeah, so we're just moving a lot. And then we moved. We were in flag Staff for what three years before I left and then like.

I one time got mad and I'm like, there's thirteen people in this badly and you only care about one. And that was a while ago. But yeah, so we're just moving a lot. And then we moved. We were in flag Staff for what three years before I left and then like.

Yeah, okay, and then Janelle, what about what about you?

Yeah, okay, and then Janelle, what about what about you?

After coding and my marriage dissolved, I was in flag Staff for a while, but then I really I was really kind of looking for a piece of property to kind of settle in on. I've always wanted that dream, right, always want a little few acres and a little farm, or whatever, and so my daughter Madison and her husband Caleb were also interested in that. So we started looking all over the country because Caleb has a job that allows him to go different places. But it turned out we found our little piece of heaven or whatever here in North Carolina.

After coding and my marriage dissolved, I was in flag Staff for a while, but then I really I was really kind of looking for a piece of property to kind of settle in on. I've always wanted that dream, right, always want a little few acres and a little farm, or whatever, and so my daughter Madison and her husband Caleb were also interested in that. So we started looking all over the country because Caleb has a job that allows him to go different places. But it turned out we found our little piece of heaven or whatever here in North Carolina.

Right.

Right.

They're very close to them, so I'm here and that's where I will plant my roots. So Christine was just here last weekend. We still have a lot of family connection and interaction. Our children are all very close. In fact, there is a group text that Christine and I are not part of and they share all the news. And I was like, mom, it was in the text. I'm like, I'm not in that text.

They're very close to them, so I'm here and that's where I will plant my roots. So Christine was just here last weekend. We still have a lot of family connection and interaction. Our children are all very close. In fact, there is a group text that Christine and I are not part of and they share all the news. And I was like, mom, it was in the text. I'm like, I'm not in that text.

But anyway, so thank you so much for not putting me in that text. Children. And I did tell them, I'm like, look, if you're going to try and plant something with Truly in the sibling chat, that's great, but can you actually have to tell me? So I plan. They had this whole trip plan to send to Las Vegas one time to go to a concert, and they asked her they could take Truly and then that's the last I heard of it. And then suddenly they're like Truly is like Mom, we're looking tomorrow, blah blah. I'm like, wait what and yeah, it was like right then and there, and we have to make sure she had everything that she needed. I'm like, you guys have got it informed me, you know, just some things like that.

But anyway, so thank you so much for not putting me in that text. Children. And I did tell them, I'm like, look, if you're going to try and plant something with Truly in the sibling chat, that's great, but can you actually have to tell me? So I plan. They had this whole trip plan to send to Las Vegas one time to go to a concert, and they asked her they could take Truly and then that's the last I heard of it. And then suddenly they're like Truly is like Mom, we're looking tomorrow, blah blah. I'm like, wait what and yeah, it was like right then and there, and we have to make sure she had everything that she needed. I'm like, you guys have got it informed me, you know, just some things like that.

So how many kids? How many kids do you guys have? Do you know? How many kids do you have?

So how many kids? How many kids do you guys have? Do you know? How many kids do you have?

So I have six?

So I have six?

Okay, yeah, we both have six.

Okay, yeah, we both have six.

But then also Mariah's child, Leo Leon is there in the group as well.

But then also Mariah's child, Leo Leon is there in the group as well.

Okay, so so the first Mariah is Leon, Like, you don't.

Okay, so so the first Mariah is Leon, Like, you don't.

Even refer to the name anymore. Really, Leon, Mary's child, got it?

Even refer to the name anymore. Really, Leon, Mary's child, got it?

Okay?

Okay?

And so that that name is a is a name we don't associate with them.

And so that that name is a is a name we don't associate with them.

Anymore, got it? Got it? Okay, there's so much I'm trying to like, I'm trying to map it all out right, I know, you're all good.

Anymore, got it? Got it? Okay, there's so much I'm trying to like, I'm trying to map it all out right, I know, you're all good.

So Mary has one child, and that's Leon, and Leon's on the group chat with mine and Janelle's kids. And Mary is not on the group chat, not on the group chat like us. Right, So Mary lives in Parawan. She had that as far as I know, I don't. I don't really talk to Marry that much. So she lives in Parawan as far as I know, in her airbnb or something like in there anyway, I guess I don't know exactly.

So Mary has one child, and that's Leon, and Leon's on the group chat with mine and Janelle's kids. And Mary is not on the group chat, not on the group chat like us. Right, So Mary lives in Parawan. She had that as far as I know, I don't. I don't really talk to Marry that much. So she lives in Parawan as far as I know, in her airbnb or something like in there anyway, I guess I don't know exactly.

Okay, So six kids and six kids, and and they're essentially are they their cousins siblings?

Okay, So six kids and six kids, and and they're essentially are they their cousins siblings?

They consider themselves siblings.

They consider themselves siblings.

We married Cody, like I, So when we married Cody, I was the third wife. And after I got married, that's when all the kids came. And so all the kids really were raised as siblings. So they refer to themselves as siblings. They don't use the word half there to them their full siblings.

We married Cody, like I, So when we married Cody, I was the third wife. And after I got married, that's when all the kids came. And so all the kids really were raised as siblings. So they refer to themselves as siblings. They don't use the word half there to them their full siblings.

Yeah, I mean that's like essentially like me, I mean my my my brother Wyatt is my half brother, but I mean I don't say that he's he's my brother. I grew up with him. I mean it's yeah.

Yeah, I mean that's like essentially like me, I mean my my my brother Wyatt is my half brother, but I mean I don't say that he's he's my brother. I grew up with him. I mean it's yeah.

So the kids all they grew up together, and that one goal that we really had when we put our family together was to have them be true, truly siblings, to feel like they were all and they all grew up together, like they're all intermixed age wise, and so they do. They're very much siblings.

So the kids all they grew up together, and that one goal that we really had when we put our family together was to have them be true, truly siblings, to feel like they were all and they all grew up together, like they're all intermixed age wise, and so they do. They're very much siblings.

Yeah. Okay, yeah, no, I bet now working backwards just a little bit, because usually you kind of start at the beginning, but you know, I'm a pretty fluid, you know, conversation guy. So dissolving a marriage, like, how does that work? Is it pretty much standard practices even though there were three of you, you know? Or is there something that has to be done differently that we don't know about or I don't know about.

Yeah. Okay, yeah, no, I bet now working backwards just a little bit, because usually you kind of start at the beginning, but you know, I'm a pretty fluid, you know, conversation guy. So dissolving a marriage, like, how does that work? Is it pretty much standard practices even though there were three of you, you know? Or is there something that has to be done differently that we don't know about or I don't know about.

We had like spiritual marriage, so I wasn't leave, So a minus from Janelle as far as our path goes and stuff. So we both were spiritually and married, so in our church there was a religious feeling that we had. So once it was time for me to leave, and you know, you don't know you have to leave until you know you have to leave, and then at that point I was like, okay, I've just got to go. And so for me, it was a spiritual journey as far as praying to God and making sure he was okay with me leaving and that was going to be fine. It was going and traveling to North Carolina and talking to Maddie and saying, if I leave your dad, am I still going to have access to your children? And she's like, You're always going to be their ownA I'm like, okay, that's good. So like all the grandkids are ours, mine engines, they're all ours, and so it was talking to her and making sure she would be okay with it. And then I just told all of the adults that I was going to be lead, that I was leaving Cody. And then I just decided, like I kicked him out of my room, my bedroom. I just told I didn't want him to be in my bed anymore. If you didn't really want to be in there, I didn't want him in there, and I only wanted someone in my bed that loved me, and that was at that time me. So I kicked him out and at that city I consider my official divorce, because you can't really have an official divorce, there's no paper work.

We had like spiritual marriage, so I wasn't leave, So a minus from Janelle as far as our path goes and stuff. So we both were spiritually and married, so in our church there was a religious feeling that we had. So once it was time for me to leave, and you know, you don't know you have to leave until you know you have to leave, and then at that point I was like, okay, I've just got to go. And so for me, it was a spiritual journey as far as praying to God and making sure he was okay with me leaving and that was going to be fine. It was going and traveling to North Carolina and talking to Maddie and saying, if I leave your dad, am I still going to have access to your children? And she's like, You're always going to be their ownA I'm like, okay, that's good. So like all the grandkids are ours, mine engines, they're all ours, and so it was talking to her and making sure she would be okay with it. And then I just told all of the adults that I was going to be lead, that I was leaving Cody. And then I just decided, like I kicked him out of my room, my bedroom. I just told I didn't want him to be in my bed anymore. If you didn't really want to be in there, I didn't want him in there, and I only wanted someone in my bed that loved me, and that was at that time me. So I kicked him out and at that city I consider my official divorce, because you can't really have an official divorce, there's no paper work.

How does everyone take that situation? Do you have to confer you know? Or are you on your own and say, no, this is the way I feel, and I respect the way that everyone else might feel in their opinions, but you know, I am, I have free will, and I don't want to be in this anymore.

How does everyone take that situation? Do you have to confer you know? Or are you on your own and say, no, this is the way I feel, and I respect the way that everyone else might feel in their opinions, but you know, I am, I have free will, and I don't want to be in this anymore.

That's pretty much it, I think. I mean, you can decide, and then it's really up to you to decide. I think what steps you want to take? So Mary actually went ahead and did the steps and went to the church that we were married in and have the official release.

That's pretty much it, I think. I mean, you can decide, and then it's really up to you to decide. I think what steps you want to take? So Mary actually went ahead and did the steps and went to the church that we were married in and have the official release.

Do you know what I mean?

Do you know what I mean?

She actually did the official thing. I really haven't. My marriage is over. I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm not really interested in getting married again or even really dating at this stage. So I'm not even thinking about like, oh, what do I need to do, because I'm just like, I am over, I am done. I love my single life, and you know, if that if something presents itself in the future, then I'll consider what I need to do, do you know what I mean?

She actually did the official thing. I really haven't. My marriage is over. I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm not really interested in getting married again or even really dating at this stage. So I'm not even thinking about like, oh, what do I need to do, because I'm just like, I am over, I am done. I love my single life, and you know, if that if something presents itself in the future, then I'll consider what I need to do, do you know what I mean?

So you know something that was cool, Oliver, When I told everybody that I was leaving, Janelle called me and she's like, Okay, you know, we've all known that you've been struggling with Cody for years and everything like that. But she came over and she's like, what does that mean for us? You know, as far as sister always go with our relationship. She's like, I've raised we've raised kids together, so what does that mean. I'm like, We're just going to continue doing what we're doing. We're just going to continue in the relationships that we have. I'm close to Janelle. I wasn't close to Mary and Robins. I wasn't going to stay close to them. But then Janelle and I went to Disneyland together. We took our youngest with us. She took Sananna, I took Truly, and the four of us went and I think on that trip, for me, I realized, oh, do you know still my sister wife. She's always going to be my sister even though we both got married, Tody, we're just going to sister wives and we're going to be in each other's lives for the rest of our lives. We have kids, we've raised together, we have grandkids together, and we're just going to keep doing things and hanging out. And I just got home a couple days ago from hanging out with her, and we're just going to stay in each other's lives.

So you know something that was cool, Oliver, When I told everybody that I was leaving, Janelle called me and she's like, Okay, you know, we've all known that you've been struggling with Cody for years and everything like that. But she came over and she's like, what does that mean for us? You know, as far as sister always go with our relationship. She's like, I've raised we've raised kids together, so what does that mean. I'm like, We're just going to continue doing what we're doing. We're just going to continue in the relationships that we have. I'm close to Janelle. I wasn't close to Mary and Robins. I wasn't going to stay close to them. But then Janelle and I went to Disneyland together. We took our youngest with us. She took Sananna, I took Truly, and the four of us went and I think on that trip, for me, I realized, oh, do you know still my sister wife. She's always going to be my sister even though we both got married, Tody, we're just going to sister wives and we're going to be in each other's lives for the rest of our lives. We have kids, we've raised together, we have grandkids together, and we're just going to keep doing things and hanging out. And I just got home a couple days ago from hanging out with her, and we're just going to stay in each other's lives.

It's a good thing. I like David, it's a good thing. I like you.

It's a good thing. I like David, it's a good thing. I like you.

I'm really glad.

I'm really glad.

Nobody likes me too.

Nobody likes me too.

You know, we're going to go on trips together. We're going to keep going together.

You know, we're going to go on trips together. We're going to keep going together.

So then going going backwards, going way way way back. I mean, obviously you guys were born into the religion that you're in, right, No, No, I was you were not okay? You are not okay? And what about you, Chris? What about you? Christine?

So then going going backwards, going way way way back. I mean, obviously you guys were born into the religion that you're in, right, No, No, I was you were not okay? You are not okay? And what about you, Chris? What about you? Christine?

Were you? I was? I had two moms. My dad married my other mom when I was five. I wore a burgress my mom, but my hair and curlers the night before, and I remember her wedding day really really well.

Were you? I was? I had two moms. My dad married my other mom when I was five. I wore a burgress my mom, but my hair and curlers the night before, and I remember her wedding day really really well.

Okay. And then Janelle, you were not born into it.

Okay. And then Janelle, you were not born into it.

No, So I grew up in the mainstream LBS church because they are separate, okay. And it wasn't I wasn't. I was probably in my I was probably twenty two twenty three when I finally really seriously considered the fundamentalist branch or of the fundamentalist faith.

No, So I grew up in the mainstream LBS church because they are separate, okay. And it wasn't I wasn't. I was probably in my I was probably twenty two twenty three when I finally really seriously considered the fundamentalist branch or of the fundamentalist faith.

So and explain that a little bit. You know. I know that probably a lot of people have seen the show and followed your guy's story and understand it, I mean to you know, to be fair, I haven't really, but it's just it's interesting to me. And in my intro, you know, I did my own little old song and dance, but then I just talked about, you know, the human condition and how we're all different, and how we all need and want and experience different things, and there are different things that make us happy, you know, until they don't, and then you move on to something else. You know, Now, when you are in a situation, whether it be what you guys are in or you know, a job or whatever, where you're feeling like you want out and there's restrictions there but you can't, that's one thing. But if it's all of free will, then shit, man, like, do whatever the hell you want to do. You know what I'm saying. That's my that's my personal feeling about just life in general.

So and explain that a little bit. You know. I know that probably a lot of people have seen the show and followed your guy's story and understand it, I mean to you know, to be fair, I haven't really, but it's just it's interesting to me. And in my intro, you know, I did my own little old song and dance, but then I just talked about, you know, the human condition and how we're all different, and how we all need and want and experience different things, and there are different things that make us happy, you know, until they don't, and then you move on to something else. You know, Now, when you are in a situation, whether it be what you guys are in or you know, a job or whatever, where you're feeling like you want out and there's restrictions there but you can't, that's one thing. But if it's all of free will, then shit, man, like, do whatever the hell you want to do. You know what I'm saying. That's my that's my personal feeling about just life in general.

You know.

You know.

Obviously, Christine, you grew up in this. This is what you've learned, it's what you've seen, you know. But just take me through the fundamentalist sort of ideas of what this is, of what polygamy is, of what multiple wives are, of sister wives, of all of it, Like, what is the sort of you know, gospel behind it.

Obviously, Christine, you grew up in this. This is what you've learned, it's what you've seen, you know. But just take me through the fundamentalist sort of ideas of what this is, of what polygamy is, of what multiple wives are, of sister wives, of all of it, Like, what is the sort of you know, gospel behind it.

Sure, so we can both talk about with Janelle's good at numbers and everything in history remembering all of that, but basically the beginning of the Mormon Church. Back when Joseph Smith was the founder of the Mormon Church or LDS Church, really one of the tenets of faith that he felt like he was inspired to live was plural marriage and continue and live plural marriage himself, which is plural marriages having more than one wife. And then you know that trickled down through the presidency and through the members, and it's just if you look in like the scriptural references as far as living plural marriage goes, it just talks about it. So you know, it's what you believe and will get you to the highest degree in the celestial kingdom, which is you know, heaven, and it helps to be a better person. It helps like rough off the round edges. And it's not something I believe in anymore at all. I don't plan on living it again, it's not it doesn't fit with me anymore. But I have siblings who live it and they all thrive and they're doing really well. Some are doing well, but you know, just because life is life, and so it's just one of the tenants of the faith of the Fundamentalist Mormon Church. ELDS Church does not practice plural marriage at all.

Sure, so we can both talk about with Janelle's good at numbers and everything in history remembering all of that, but basically the beginning of the Mormon Church. Back when Joseph Smith was the founder of the Mormon Church or LDS Church, really one of the tenets of faith that he felt like he was inspired to live was plural marriage and continue and live plural marriage himself, which is plural marriages having more than one wife. And then you know that trickled down through the presidency and through the members, and it's just if you look in like the scriptural references as far as living plural marriage goes, it just talks about it. So you know, it's what you believe and will get you to the highest degree in the celestial kingdom, which is you know, heaven, and it helps to be a better person. It helps like rough off the round edges. And it's not something I believe in anymore at all. I don't plan on living it again, it's not it doesn't fit with me anymore. But I have siblings who live it and they all thrive and they're doing really well. Some are doing well, but you know, just because life is life, and so it's just one of the tenants of the faith of the Fundamentalist Mormon Church. ELDS Church does not practice plural marriage at all.

Okay, really truly, I mean it really is simply like every faith has a way to enlighten it, right, Like it's it's really you have to get over yourself. A man has to expand his capacity. A woman has to learn her own value. I mean, there's it's like it's a it's a pathway. It's a pathway to progression. So I mean, that's not the only part of the faith. There's a lot of other parts of the faith, but that is one of the that's the biggest tenant that separates us from the mainstream LDS churches we still practice or that church. I mean, I'm not really a member anymore, but that church practices plural marriage.

Okay, really truly, I mean it really is simply like every faith has a way to enlighten it, right, Like it's it's really you have to get over yourself. A man has to expand his capacity. A woman has to learn her own value. I mean, there's it's like it's a it's a pathway. It's a pathway to progression. So I mean, that's not the only part of the faith. There's a lot of other parts of the faith, but that is one of the that's the biggest tenant that separates us from the mainstream LDS churches we still practice or that church. I mean, I'm not really a member anymore, but that church practices plural marriage.

Okay, and so and Janelle, are you are you out of it like Christine is?

Okay, and so and Janelle, are you are you out of it like Christine is?

Yeah, I mean I still I still have very much. I had, still have a very close relationship with God. I still am very prayerful, and I'm still a very religious person. But I am not in the faith anymore. No, I mean I still I still actually hold most of the LBS beliefs, but I am not in the plural I'm not in the fundamentalist And.

Yeah, I mean I still I still have very much. I had, still have a very close relationship with God. I still am very prayerful, and I'm still a very religious person. But I am not in the faith anymore. No, I mean I still I still actually hold most of the LBS beliefs, but I am not in the plural I'm not in the fundamentalist And.

What does it look like to sort of.

What does it look like to sort of.

Exit that you just don't go anymore?

Exit that you just don't go anymore?

You don't go and you're not Do you lose friends, do you lose family members?

You don't go and you're not Do you lose friends, do you lose family members?

You know, Being sort of a convert at a later age, I really didn't know a lot of people. I still am very close to all of my family that practices still like I still a lot of Cody's family. Actually, I'm still very close to you know, so I haven't really lost anybody, and not really.

You know, Being sort of a convert at a later age, I really didn't know a lot of people. I still am very close to all of my family that practices still like I still a lot of Cody's family. Actually, I'm still very close to you know, so I haven't really lost anybody, and not really.

You know, my favorite thing happens. I was at Costco the other day because that's where you meet up with everybody's Costco. And there was a whole like a group met me. So it was a man and he had two wives with him and then a couple of their kids, and it was the entire range of emotion, all of it, you guys, it was crazy. So some of them were completely like, Christine, there you are. It's been forever and I missed you and la la lah, and here's a hug, and you know, picking upright where you left off. And other people were kind of like one of them was very uncomfortable and they're like, oh, what do we do with her? She's left? Now? Does that mean that we can you know? How is that? Does she hate plaguing me? She is she not going to like me because she left? And maybe she's bitter or maybe she's angry about her she you know, maybe she's left religion in general. And I don't know where I stand. So everybody it was like from the and then one was physically uncomfortable, and like, okay, it was it was lovely. So you get all ranges of emotion with you know, acceptance, not understanding, absolute like well, I think we're done that kind of a thing just because you are leaving. I was leaving something that I knew all of my life, and I realized it just wasn't going to fit me anymore. I felt it was too controlling for me. And I told Cody. One of the great things that I really appreciate about Cody, like in the church, who wear garments, like in the in the LDS, they and I took mine off and I told Cody I wasn't gonna wear them anymore. And he goes, well, how is your relationship with God? I said, it's fine. God doesn't hear if I wear them. I mean, for me, God doesn't hear that I wear them. He goes, okay, that's fine then, and with it. He didn't care, he didn't raise it. He was like, it's your relationship with God, that's the most important thing. And that's what he always taught our kids. And I really appreciated that because it was it is. What you do is you need to have your own personal relationships, you know, with God, and you shouldn't have to have an ecclesiastical authority. And so I really appreciated that. But leveing takes a while too. It's not like suddenly you're done. It was like a trickling away, and it was like gone away in pieces. There were certain things I just didn't believe anymore. I couldn't make them fit into my paradigm of understanding the world. We met after we met public, Oh my gosh, we met the most amazing people and so many different walks of life and faith. And I'm like, these people are amazing and their relationship with God is just as strong as mine.

You know, my favorite thing happens. I was at Costco the other day because that's where you meet up with everybody's Costco. And there was a whole like a group met me. So it was a man and he had two wives with him and then a couple of their kids, and it was the entire range of emotion, all of it, you guys, it was crazy. So some of them were completely like, Christine, there you are. It's been forever and I missed you and la la lah, and here's a hug, and you know, picking upright where you left off. And other people were kind of like one of them was very uncomfortable and they're like, oh, what do we do with her? She's left? Now? Does that mean that we can you know? How is that? Does she hate plaguing me? She is she not going to like me because she left? And maybe she's bitter or maybe she's angry about her she you know, maybe she's left religion in general. And I don't know where I stand. So everybody it was like from the and then one was physically uncomfortable, and like, okay, it was it was lovely. So you get all ranges of emotion with you know, acceptance, not understanding, absolute like well, I think we're done that kind of a thing just because you are leaving. I was leaving something that I knew all of my life, and I realized it just wasn't going to fit me anymore. I felt it was too controlling for me. And I told Cody. One of the great things that I really appreciate about Cody, like in the church, who wear garments, like in the in the LDS, they and I took mine off and I told Cody I wasn't gonna wear them anymore. And he goes, well, how is your relationship with God? I said, it's fine. God doesn't hear if I wear them. I mean, for me, God doesn't hear that I wear them. He goes, okay, that's fine then, and with it. He didn't care, he didn't raise it. He was like, it's your relationship with God, that's the most important thing. And that's what he always taught our kids. And I really appreciated that because it was it is. What you do is you need to have your own personal relationships, you know, with God, and you shouldn't have to have an ecclesiastical authority. And so I really appreciated that. But leveing takes a while too. It's not like suddenly you're done. It was like a trickling away, and it was like gone away in pieces. There were certain things I just didn't believe anymore. I couldn't make them fit into my paradigm of understanding the world. We met after we met public, Oh my gosh, we met the most amazing people and so many different walks of life and faith. And I'm like, these people are amazing and their relationship with God is just as strong as mine.

Yeah, but when did you but when did you start to realize that? You know what I mean?

Yeah, but when did you but when did you start to realize that? You know what I mean?

Like you went, Yeah, when I started questioning like myself?

Like you went, Yeah, when I started questioning like myself?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because you know, when you're even when you're eighteen nineteen years old, I mean that's when sort of your brain is moving, You're you're you're sort of stepping outside of what you've been what is learned, you know, and you start to sort of establish your own sort of thoughts and feelings and ideas. You know, our brain I don't think is fully developed until we're in our mid twenties, you know, from just a biological standpoint.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because you know, when you're even when you're eighteen nineteen years old, I mean that's when sort of your brain is moving, You're you're you're sort of stepping outside of what you've been what is learned, you know, and you start to sort of establish your own sort of thoughts and feelings and ideas. You know, our brain I don't think is fully developed until we're in our mid twenties, you know, from just a biological standpoint.

You know, it's so interesting because I actually chose the faith. Yeah, for me, it was a very it was a very logical choice for me, and I never really felt like plural manager was very controlling. I actually felt very independent. I felt like I had a lot of freedom. And I think it really is about what you make of it, right, whether you choose to embrace who you are and be strong and who you are and be independent and live a life, or if you sit around kind of comparing or pining or whatever you know, for you know, I don't know, Like I just felt like it was very independent.

You know, it's so interesting because I actually chose the faith. Yeah, for me, it was a very it was a very logical choice for me, and I never really felt like plural manager was very controlling. I actually felt very independent. I felt like I had a lot of freedom. And I think it really is about what you make of it, right, whether you choose to embrace who you are and be strong and who you are and be independent and live a life, or if you sit around kind of comparing or pining or whatever you know, for you know, I don't know, Like I just felt like it was very independent.

Were you in the church though, Janelle? Like before you found at twenty two? Like where were you like from zero to twenty two?

Were you in the church though, Janelle? Like before you found at twenty two? Like where were you like from zero to twenty two?

So I was in the LDS Church. But that is my family practically disowned me when I joined the Fundamentalist faith because you know, that was not done, that was definitely not done, and so they were very upset with me. So isn't really something that's embraced in the LDS church the mainstream LDAs Church. So I mean, for me, it was a choice. I felt very called to live the life and I found a lot of independence and freedom.

So I was in the LDS Church. But that is my family practically disowned me when I joined the Fundamentalist faith because you know, that was not done, that was definitely not done, and so they were very upset with me. So isn't really something that's embraced in the LDS church the mainstream LDAs Church. So I mean, for me, it was a choice. I felt very called to live the life and I found a lot of independence and freedom.

What drew you to to the fundamental side of things.

What drew you to to the fundamental side of things.

I've always been someone who very much sought to do what God what would bring me closer to God, and I really felt like that was what this was. Was just it was a devotion. It was a devotional thing for me.

I've always been someone who very much sought to do what God what would bring me closer to God, and I really felt like that was what this was. Was just it was a devotion. It was a devotional thing for me.

Now that you have sort of moved beyond that side of fits not to say that you don't have maybe even a stronger relationship with God, like when you reflect back on the reasons you did join. Yeah, now you're an older woman who can reflect. How do you speak to that younger person? Do you know?

Now that you have sort of moved beyond that side of fits not to say that you don't have maybe even a stronger relationship with God, like when you reflect back on the reasons you did join. Yeah, now you're an older woman who can reflect. How do you speak to that younger person? Do you know?

I'm actually really really grateful, And this is one thing Christine and I've really talked about, is we're so grateful for experience. I personally am very grateful for the growth that I experienced, beginning to be very confident in who I was, knowing who I was, knowing my own strengths, and not feeling like I had to always measure up against somebody else. But then we also had this tremendous family experience that I never would have had without a big family, So I'm really grateful for that, really truly. And Christina and I both said, you know, we wouldn't go back and change anything because all we have now is really great.

I'm actually really really grateful, And this is one thing Christine and I've really talked about, is we're so grateful for experience. I personally am very grateful for the growth that I experienced, beginning to be very confident in who I was, knowing who I was, knowing my own strengths, and not feeling like I had to always measure up against somebody else. But then we also had this tremendous family experience that I never would have had without a big family, So I'm really grateful for that, really truly. And Christina and I both said, you know, we wouldn't go back and change anything because all we have now is really great.

Oh of course. I mean I think, you know, just forget forgetting about forget about religion or anything. Really. I mean, I've been asked that question too, just interviews. I'm very open about my my life and the things that I've gone through and the anxieties that I've had. And you know, there's been infidelity in my relationships that has been you know, dealt with through just internal just just sort of self expression, self realization. I wouldn't change a thing. Actually I got dinged and not Dan, but it was picked up in the newspapers like Oliver Hudson wouldn't change a thing, and da da da da, And I'm like, well, of course not, because I'm happy with who I am now. I am happy with sort of my philosophies on life and the things that I have gone through, the character building experiences, the pain having to sort of navigate all of that. I don't know who I'd be without it, So why would I change it? You know?

Oh of course. I mean I think, you know, just forget forgetting about forget about religion or anything. Really. I mean, I've been asked that question too, just interviews. I'm very open about my my life and the things that I've gone through and the anxieties that I've had. And you know, there's been infidelity in my relationships that has been you know, dealt with through just internal just just sort of self expression, self realization. I wouldn't change a thing. Actually I got dinged and not Dan, but it was picked up in the newspapers like Oliver Hudson wouldn't change a thing, and da da da da, And I'm like, well, of course not, because I'm happy with who I am now. I am happy with sort of my philosophies on life and the things that I have gone through, the character building experiences, the pain having to sort of navigate all of that. I don't know who I'd be without it, So why would I change it? You know?

I think we're the some of our were some of our parts. Right. I feel like you always like you become richer, a richer person as you go through life experiences, and some of them are not so great. Right now, I'm not so righty, but just make it you are.

I think we're the some of our were some of our parts. Right. I feel like you always like you become richer, a richer person as you go through life experiences, and some of them are not so great. Right now, I'm not so righty, but just make it you are.

Yeah, I mean now if I was, if I was a completely screwed up individual and on drugs and in a gutter somewhere, then maybe I would want to change something, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, right right, you know, but I fought, I was, I always fight. I'm always fighting. You always fighting. You know who you are and your own psychology and educating yourself and there it's it's it's a forever process, you know what I'm saying. Which is the beauty.

Yeah, I mean now if I was, if I was a completely screwed up individual and on drugs and in a gutter somewhere, then maybe I would want to change something, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, right right, you know, but I fought, I was, I always fight. I'm always fighting. You always fighting. You know who you are and your own psychology and educating yourself and there it's it's it's a forever process, you know what I'm saying. Which is the beauty.

I think it's a constant progression. There was one time that I have to tell you when I was leaving and I was just so still frustrated, and so I remember just saying I don't think I even like clicking me more above a toganelle. And she's like, wait a minute, a minut. She's like, come on, you live in plural marriage is the reason why you can do so many things you can do. She's like, I'll never forget how you just did the whole irrigation system by yourself in Wyoming. You know how you you know, did all of these things. You did things all the time. You could just pick up and leave and you could go. And the independence that you learn and that you found is something that's who you are. And it's like I decided at that point to same as you're saying, like you realize that this is all a path and this is all a journey. And there's some memories that I make sure they stay special, they stay good days, and I never let anything like negative or anything like that just creeped in. You just have a lot of actually have so many good, wonderful memories with our family and where it's brought us, and with our kids being as tight as they are. I mean, it's it's absolutely awful.

I think it's a constant progression. There was one time that I have to tell you when I was leaving and I was just so still frustrated, and so I remember just saying I don't think I even like clicking me more above a toganelle. And she's like, wait a minute, a minut. She's like, come on, you live in plural marriage is the reason why you can do so many things you can do. She's like, I'll never forget how you just did the whole irrigation system by yourself in Wyoming. You know how you you know, did all of these things. You did things all the time. You could just pick up and leave and you could go. And the independence that you learn and that you found is something that's who you are. And it's like I decided at that point to same as you're saying, like you realize that this is all a path and this is all a journey. And there's some memories that I make sure they stay special, they stay good days, and I never let anything like negative or anything like that just creeped in. You just have a lot of actually have so many good, wonderful memories with our family and where it's brought us, and with our kids being as tight as they are. I mean, it's it's absolutely awful.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But actually none of our children have embraced the faith. I mean, they are all doing their own things.

But actually none of our children have embraced the faith. I mean, they are all doing their own things.

That was going to be a later question, but now that you're bringing into it, like how about all the kids? Like where are they at with all this?

That was going to be a later question, but now that you're bringing into it, like how about all the kids? Like where are they at with all this?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Really we did raise them to really disperse and foremost have a good relationship with God, and I think they all have sort of found their path. Some are not even really big believers of God, and that's okay. We're all still we all have this foundational family and it doesn't really matter what everybody thinks or believes. You know, everybody here is very different. They're all the whole spectrum. I love it, and I love it because we still get all together and we still have so much fun and we just we celebrate the things that are in common, which are lots of thing.

Really we did raise them to really disperse and foremost have a good relationship with God, and I think they all have sort of found their path. Some are not even really big believers of God, and that's okay. We're all still we all have this foundational family and it doesn't really matter what everybody thinks or believes. You know, everybody here is very different. They're all the whole spectrum. I love it, and I love it because we still get all together and we still have so much fun and we just we celebrate the things that are in common, which are lots of thing.

Well, it seems like our biggest goal it was about getting a development with God. But then it was also become a productive person, productive to this and make sure you have a sense of purpose and you have a direction. And so it was all about too, like, have a sense of purpose, have someplace that you're always moving towards. You're always better in yourself, always looking at people like with a way to understand them, you know. Lovely having for it, like so many different parents, I think really helped our kids to kind of fine tune because you have all those special conversations with each of the kids, so they learn from all of us and all of our parentings do has I mean, I learned things from my other mom that were totally invaluable and I'm so grateful that she's always been in my life.

Well, it seems like our biggest goal it was about getting a development with God. But then it was also become a productive person, productive to this and make sure you have a sense of purpose and you have a direction. And so it was all about too, like, have a sense of purpose, have someplace that you're always moving towards. You're always better in yourself, always looking at people like with a way to understand them, you know. Lovely having for it, like so many different parents, I think really helped our kids to kind of fine tune because you have all those special conversations with each of the kids, so they learn from all of us and all of our parentings do has I mean, I learned things from my other mom that were totally invaluable and I'm so grateful that she's always been in my life.

Your Here's what's interesting, though, you know, going down that path a little bit, is that, yeah, I have three kids, you know, I have one wife. Obviously, you know you have to be on the same page. There's a fundamental belief on how you want to raise your kids, but how you get to that place sometimes can be different, very and it's just in relationships and single relationships in general. It's that don't you undermine me? Or or you know, like I told him no and now you're telling him yes. I mean, there's so many there are so there are so many sort of disconnects and parenting. I mean, imagine when you have a thousand parents, like how do you how do you? How do you deal with that? Where it's like wait a minute, this is I do it this way, and you might do it this way, but then he does it this way, but then she does it that way. I mean, it could be a web of insanity.

Your Here's what's interesting, though, you know, going down that path a little bit, is that, yeah, I have three kids, you know, I have one wife. Obviously, you know you have to be on the same page. There's a fundamental belief on how you want to raise your kids, but how you get to that place sometimes can be different, very and it's just in relationships and single relationships in general. It's that don't you undermine me? Or or you know, like I told him no and now you're telling him yes. I mean, there's so many there are so there are so many sort of disconnects and parenting. I mean, imagine when you have a thousand parents, like how do you how do you? How do you deal with that? Where it's like wait a minute, this is I do it this way, and you might do it this way, but then he does it this way, but then she does it that way. I mean, it could be a web of insanity.

Well, I think that we always sort of respected everybody. Everybody had their biological children, right, and so they kind of had a culture in their families. But then there was some a big general culture that we sort of just had to mesh our cultures, Christmas traditions, holiday traditions, the way that like do kids get to like I remember one of the very early on could the kids play in the cupboards? Addishes in the kitchen?

Well, I think that we always sort of respected everybody. Everybody had their biological children, right, and so they kind of had a culture in their families. But then there was some a big general culture that we sort of just had to mesh our cultures, Christmas traditions, holiday traditions, the way that like do kids get to like I remember one of the very early on could the kids play in the cupboards? Addishes in the kitchen?

Yeah, we're messes? Okay, what kinds of messes? And how do you fold? And do you care if they even fold anything?

Yeah, we're messes? Okay, what kinds of messes? And how do you fold? And do you care if they even fold anything?

You know?

You know?

But you know what the kids learn too is how to navigate parents. You know, how your.

But you know what the kids learn too is how to navigate parents. You know, how your.

Kids to go to if they had a question they want to ask a yes, they know who.

Kids to go to if they had a question they want to ask a yes, they know who.

To go to, learn pretty quickly who to get yeses from, and like.

To go to, learn pretty quickly who to get yeses from, and like.

If they want to go do the crazy Black Friday shopping, do not sign me up Christine's She's in the car waiting for them at one am.

If they want to go do the crazy Black Friday shopping, do not sign me up Christine's She's in the car waiting for them at one am.

Or to keep us warm?

Or to keep us warm?

Yeah, no, no. I mean, you know, my sister has three kids and I have three kids, and you know, all cousins are like best friends. But but she does it totally differently than I do. She looks at the way that I raise my kids and she's like, Jesus man, you are too lenient. You let them watch like horror movies at the age of three. I mean, you know, I curse in front of my kids. You know, I'll drink in front of my kids. I used to smoke cigarettes, smoke. I'm going to be me in front of my children. I'm not gonna hide anything. Now. Can you do it? Can you say bad words? Am I an example to you right now?

Yeah, no, no. I mean, you know, my sister has three kids and I have three kids, and you know, all cousins are like best friends. But but she does it totally differently than I do. She looks at the way that I raise my kids and she's like, Jesus man, you are too lenient. You let them watch like horror movies at the age of three. I mean, you know, I curse in front of my kids. You know, I'll drink in front of my kids. I used to smoke cigarettes, smoke. I'm going to be me in front of my children. I'm not gonna hide anything. Now. Can you do it? Can you say bad words? Am I an example to you right now?

No?

No?

Of course not. I'm not your role model yet. This is who I am. I'm an adult. When you become an adult or when you get to be older, then you can make these choices. But I'm not gonna sneak around. I mean, I think that's almost worse than them knowing out front. They're gonna find it, they're gonna see, they're gonna see the booze, they're gonna see the cigarettes. And for me to go outsideigrette like coming like hey and stink of cigarettes.

Of course not. I'm not your role model yet. This is who I am. I'm an adult. When you become an adult or when you get to be older, then you can make these choices. But I'm not gonna sneak around. I mean, I think that's almost worse than them knowing out front. They're gonna find it, they're gonna see, they're gonna see the booze, they're gonna see the cigarettes. And for me to go outsideigrette like coming like hey and stink of cigarettes.

Well, it's the level of teaching them respect.

Well, it's the level of teaching them respect.

Right, there's a respect where my sister's like, what, you're crazy? I would that, So it's just different, you know, we'd just do it differently.

Right, there's a respect where my sister's like, what, you're crazy? I would that, So it's just different, you know, we'd just do it differently.

I was definitely more pious like before.

I was definitely more pious like before.

Oh some yeah, my kids have some funny stories.

Oh some yeah, my kids have some funny stories.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Christine was very black and white, very black woman.

Christine was very black and white, very black woman.

I believe that you should raise kids black and white. So for me, it was like hard at PG thirteen was when you're thirteen.

I believe that you should raise kids black and white. So for me, it was like hard at PG thirteen was when you're thirteen.

And my kids benefited.

And my kids benefited.

They really did benefit from you know, and who knows some kids, I'm sure look back and they're super bitter. But I have to tell you why. I watched The Conjuring with truly just a couple of days ago, and it was terrifying.

They really did benefit from you know, and who knows some kids, I'm sure look back and they're super bitter. But I have to tell you why. I watched The Conjuring with truly just a couple of days ago, and it was terrifying.

It all one of the best horror amazing. It is one of my favorites horror buff our family. I've seen every horror movie. Who Conjuring is my one of my no I.

It all one of the best horror amazing. It is one of my favorites horror buff our family. I've seen every horror movie. Who Conjuring is my one of my no I.

Saw it in the airplane, mind you with the screen distake on the back of it.

Saw it in the airplane, mind you with the screen distake on the back of it.

That might be less scary so much that scary scar.

That might be less scary so much that scary scar.

Yeah, that was amazing. So I've come a long way because horror was certainly not allowed in my home and everything. So it's it's you changed to it's important to teach your kids too. Is that change is okay?

Yeah, that was amazing. So I've come a long way because horror was certainly not allowed in my home and everything. So it's it's you changed to it's important to teach your kids too. Is that change is okay?

Yeah?

Yeah?

To see the differences in personality and stuff in the spectrum of adults. I think actually gave our kids a pretty good tool. They gave it, gave them a tool some tools going into real life, because you're going to meet all these different personalities like I've had my kids have come home and had bosses that were very rigid and strict, and like they had and Mary is very much like she's very she's very rigid, she's very strict, and so they had dealt with that and they're like, oh, okay, I know how.

To see the differences in personality and stuff in the spectrum of adults. I think actually gave our kids a pretty good tool. They gave it, gave them a tool some tools going into real life, because you're going to meet all these different personalities like I've had my kids have come home and had bosses that were very rigid and strict, and like they had and Mary is very much like she's very she's very rigid, she's very strict, and so they had dealt with that and they're like, oh, okay, I know how.

To do this.

To do this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I love what you guys said, where it's like, look, we're going to, you know, show them a path that I was on, that we believe in, not was are now currently with your relationship with God and if you choose to, you know, follow it. Great. If you don't belie even God, I love you. I mean, you do whatever you want to do. I mean, that's it's a beautiful way to sort of do it. Because I have a lot of friends, well not a lot, but a lot two or three friends who were raised in a extremely God fearing place and it's screwed them up. At the end of the day, they've come out of it, but they had to go through a lot because they were, you know, essentially disowned sometimes if they didn't believe what your parents believed. You know, that's hard.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I love what you guys said, where it's like, look, we're going to, you know, show them a path that I was on, that we believe in, not was are now currently with your relationship with God and if you choose to, you know, follow it. Great. If you don't belie even God, I love you. I mean, you do whatever you want to do. I mean, that's it's a beautiful way to sort of do it. Because I have a lot of friends, well not a lot, but a lot two or three friends who were raised in a extremely God fearing place and it's screwed them up. At the end of the day, they've come out of it, but they had to go through a lot because they were, you know, essentially disowned sometimes if they didn't believe what your parents believed. You know, that's hard.

That's sad to me. I like that our kids are so individual. They all chosen different things, and oh my gosh, I've learned so many things from them. Then. It's just amazing that all the things that they've learned about life and the different people they've met, and the walks of faith that they have, and you know, I really feel blessed that we were able to set up our family like we did. That kind of just kind of fell into place. But we did have discussions about it back in Wyoming where we did side, you know, do we want our kids to live plural marriage? It was like, no, I think that we just want them to have a good relationship with God. And that was at the very very beginning of all even though we talked them I don't know, trying to teach them my example, I guess, and things like that definitely definitely changed. So just grateful that they're just good people. They treat people with kindness.

That's sad to me. I like that our kids are so individual. They all chosen different things, and oh my gosh, I've learned so many things from them. Then. It's just amazing that all the things that they've learned about life and the different people they've met, and the walks of faith that they have, and you know, I really feel blessed that we were able to set up our family like we did. That kind of just kind of fell into place. But we did have discussions about it back in Wyoming where we did side, you know, do we want our kids to live plural marriage? It was like, no, I think that we just want them to have a good relationship with God. And that was at the very very beginning of all even though we talked them I don't know, trying to teach them my example, I guess, and things like that definitely definitely changed. So just grateful that they're just good people. They treat people with kindness.

Are any of them wanting to follow in that sort of plural marriage past? No?

Are any of them wanting to follow in that sort of plural marriage past? No?

No, no, no, that's death. First.

No, no, no, that's death. First.

Do you think social media and sort of the connectivity of the world through technology now has changed a little bit of that.

Do you think social media and sort of the connectivity of the world through technology now has changed a little bit of that.

I don't think it's technology. I don't think it's technology. I think it's that we weren't in the faith anymore. We lived in Vegas, and for all of those years, instead of our kids hanging out with other Plaguma's children, they hang out with kids that were everybody else the whole open world. So I think because we exposed them and ourselves to more people that lived outside of, you know, whatever, the fundamentalist faith, that that's the reason why that happened too. I think we just showed them a whole broader world. So for them, they just got to see a broad a picture. But then also we do believe that there should be a calling that you do feel to live in any religion, to be a part of any religion, and none of them have the calling to even be a member of the church we were previously.

I don't think it's technology. I don't think it's technology. I think it's that we weren't in the faith anymore. We lived in Vegas, and for all of those years, instead of our kids hanging out with other Plaguma's children, they hang out with kids that were everybody else the whole open world. So I think because we exposed them and ourselves to more people that lived outside of, you know, whatever, the fundamentalist faith, that that's the reason why that happened too. I think we just showed them a whole broader world. So for them, they just got to see a broad a picture. But then also we do believe that there should be a calling that you do feel to live in any religion, to be a part of any religion, and none of them have the calling to even be a member of the church we were previously.

Yeah, yeah, you know.

Yeah, yeah, you know.

One thing, I am glad we do have a very much or more open world, right we do now, and we've definitely had a much bigger life. I feel like our children have for sure.

One thing, I am glad we do have a very much or more open world, right we do now, and we've definitely had a much bigger life. I feel like our children have for sure.

You know.

You know.