Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonSibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson
Sibling Revelry explores the sibling bond, family dynamics, the human mind, and so much more. Kate and Oliver dive deep into the things that interest …
Going Dutch with Denis Leary56:59
Kate's Brothers From Another Mother (Part 2)55:09
Kate's Brothers From Another Mother (Part 1)34:30
This One’s for the Fans31:15
And the Oscar goes to...14:22
Revel In It: Surviving the Wolf of Wall Street45:22
I Schitt You Not…with Emily Hampshire49:03
Bros & Pros57:11
Sister Sister, and a Mister with Christine and Janelle53:48
It Runs in the Family with Shaun Cassidy52:41
Slam Dunk with Brenda Song (Part 2)41:04
Slam Dunk with Brenda Song (Part 1)35:01
Revel In It: Break Up to Make Up21:34
Oliver’s new BFF, Emily Hampshire joins the revelry all the way from Canada! The “Schitt’s Creek” star tells us how the Emmy-winning show ALMOST never happened!
Plus, we get the scoop on her love life! Is she really ‘up the creek’ when it comes to relationships? And why does Oliver think she won’t be single for long?
Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Raivalry. No, no, sibling.
You don't do that with your mouth.
Revelry. That's good. Holla. Hudson here reporting live from Toronto, Canada, where a couple of days ago a plane flipped over at Pearson Miraculously eighty people survived. Pretty crazy shit. Ah, but that's not what I really want to talk about. I want to talk about my domesticity because I'm here in my house in Toronto, and yeah, you know, I know to do my laundry and I need to do all that shit. But today my wife is coming and so I had to clean clean. There's so much salt on the streets of Toronto right now that when you track it in, it's like white splotches everywhere. So I got the vacuum mount, I grew out the thing, I'm mopping, I'm doing everything else, and then I go to do the dishes and I guess, for some reason, I don't know, I put I put the wrong soap in. I think it was like fucking dish soap not detergent. So I go download the dishwasher and it's a fucking sud sudfest like pouring out. And now I don't know what the fuck to do. I don't know how to get the SuDS out, you know, I was there was this like a rinse button. I don't know. I'm trying to make it sexy. I'm trying to make it clear. I you know, sheets are in the dryer. I have to put the duvet on, which is like the worst part, trying of like stuff the actual sort of comforter into the in the duvet. But yeah, making it sexy anyway.
Uh.
In the waiting room, and I was Emily Hampshire and she's an actress you probably know from Shit's Creek, but she's I think lives half in Toronto, half in LA. I don't even know if she's in La or in Toronto. Maybe we're even right next to each other and we have no fucking idea. Well, let's bring her in, let's have it. Let's have a chat. You have the headphones and you have the mic because you have a podcast. Correct, No, I know, it's it's the new ship. Everyone's doing it.
I mean it's kind of old shit like.
People, No, No, that's I'm making I'm joking. I mean it's crazy. You know. It's funny. When when I started doing this, I think it was like four or five years ago, and I remember there were six hundred thousand podcasts and my sister and I were like, holy fuck that. I mean, how what that's so many? And of course now I think there's what like nine million or something.
Oh yeah, because if you started so I just just literally started this. I'm very late to the party. I'm like, the party is so over and I just walked in. But if you've been doing it for like four was it before the pandemic?
Yeah, yeah, it was before. It was before COVID.
Oh wow, that's ahead of the game.
They were doing it in person and it was really fun and then you know, bang, everything shuts down, moved to zoom, and now everything stayed on zoom. I mean, I'm in actually I'm in Toronto right now.
Oh, I'm in Toronto right now.
Are you in Toronto right now? This is what I wanted to discuss with you, because I know you live between what La and Toronto.
Yeah, yeah, okay, where are you? In Toronto.
I am. I'm doing a movie here. There's like four or five of these kind of townhousey things, you know.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. You know Jamila Jamil.
Do you know her? Because she she's I'm working with her. She's playing my girlfriend. Oh my god, yeah, oh my god.
Yes, I sorry.
She's the greatest.
I mean we you know, she doesn't have food poisoning.
No, I know, and I'm not sure it was even food poisoning because it was like an eight day situation. Only yesterday on set she started to come back to life a little bit. But whatever it was, I think has finally gone through her system. I'm pretty sure she's good. Now.
In the movie, you guys are playing a cup So did you kiss her?
We did not?
Oh okay, because I was going to say it's you obviously.
Yeah, I mean, yes, exactly. I eliminated myself from that. No, we did not kiss. Because the idea is is that I'm kind of or divorced, but she's my girlfriend who I kind of bring back to my small town and all hell kind of breaks loose, you know. Oh okay, and then of course, you know the Mary the divorce couple, they get back together and so ill. You know, yeah, yeah, so sweet and so cute.
So you are in the snow.
It's crazy. It's crazy. I mean it is nutty. I mean it really really is. I like it, you know. I mean I grew up sort of in Colorado as well. I love the snow and the city snow too is fun because I don't experience it much. I don't mind bundling up and walking out in the cold and you know, hitting my face. The other night, you know, my son's here with me, by the way, because he's actually in the movie, which is a whole other story, and it's all so sweet and so fun great. But the other night, I go to the Four Seasons and I have dinner, you know, by myself, and I have a couple of martinis. And then I go to this play the Hazelton Bar, which was actually really fun and it was kind of popping. It was going crazy and everything was and I ended up talking to people and hanging out and having fun. And these like four serbian dudes are like, let's go to this like club, and I'm like, oh man, I don't want to go to like you know. And then but this is my problem. I'm always getting myself into weird shit. And I get in their car and I go to like this weird club and I get there, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna have one beer to be nice. I got to get out of here, you know what I mean. And I get out of there, and now I don't know where I am. My phone has died, so now I'm walking the streets at like one thirty am, and it is freezing and windy and snowy, and every car that I'm trying to flag down to ask where the fuck I am thinks I'm a crazy person. Doesn't want to have anything to do with me.
Yeah, yeah, ray there in Canada because usually the stop but uh no, I know.
And I finally made it home, only to realize later it was right above Mimi's, that Chinese restaurant. That's where I came out of. And I could have made a right and been home in three and a half minutes, but I made a left and it was like an hour and a half.
Oh my god. Well I'm surprised though. When you said you got into their car, my reaction was like, oh my god, are you crazy to get into someone's car? Realized I do this every day. I uber all the time. I did get into some string's car. It's not that I guess, no, I know.
I mean, in hindsight, I probably shouldn't have, but they seem nice enough. And I and You're like, I made it.
You can help, you can like handle yourself.
Well not against four you know, I mean, yeah, but it was, it all worked out. But I don't think I'm gonna do that again.
Yeah, yeah, maybe lesson maybe not when it's cold.
Yes, yeah, I too like the snow.
I grew up in Montreal and school like literally we may see earra.
So you grew up in Montreal, you're between LA and Toronto, and then basically you go where work takes you or why are you split between the two?
I go where work takes me. And recently work has been in the UK, so it's just a better flight and better time zone situation. And I'm feeling really grateful to be a Canadian right now. So I've been spend a lot of time here.
Yeah.
Also I left like right when the fires happened, so this has been feels nice to be in the snow.
Yeah no, I bet, I bet. And so you grew up in Montreal, and you, how did you have siblings? Did you where did you grow up in Montreal? Was it a creative family? Is this something you've always wanted to do?
So I do have a sibling. I have an older brother, and grew up in Poinclair, which is in the West Island of Montreal, which is a suburb of the suburb of the suburb, and so really small neighborhood, and nobody I knew was an actor. I just when I for my grade six graduation, my mom took me got me tickets to see Le Miss and time I remember there was like it was like really cool. It wasn't Cornado. It was some cool guy having a pool party from class, and I really wanted to go to a pool party. And I had to leave early though to go to La Miss and it changed my life. I watched it, I felt like I left the earth. I never I wanted to be in musicals, which is why any show I do I always kind of asked the show runner, I'm like, can we do a musical episode? Because I'm not, like, I'm not a good enough singer or dancer or anything to be in actual professional musicals. But when I can force people to make let me do it.
No, I know, so you saw that and that changed it was it was just like I need, I need to be up there.
Oh yeah. Well from that point on, I was like, I'm going to be an actor. And I made a contract with myself that I believe my mother has in some drawer that said, like, I will only do non acting activities for one hour a day. Eight hours must be spent on learning. I would highlight entire acting books like uh, the the on audition, the Michael shirt when you highlight the entire book, and I would make these notes and so yeah, I just really kind of went really myopic on it. And I think the thing that really pushed it was I did my first play in high school and my high school vice principal came up to me after and I had like a really small part. I remember, I was like a stoner and I just said like whoa or something, I don't know. My high school rest principal came up to me after and she was like you were really good. You were really funny and done.
Like that affirmation was like I have got it.
Well, just like that I was paid attention to for something and like she I'm solicited He came up to me and said something like, that's all it really takes when you're that sad.
Yeah, Well, it's so funny because there are certain people who can take compliments and then certain people who deflect. And I am such a deflector of compliments that I have to and within my own sort of psychology and you know, the journey of self, have had to understand why and then learn how to take in a compliment and just say, hey, you know what, thank you, because I just deflect it. I don't like the feeling. You feel sort of fraudulent in a way. You know, it's it's it's it's interesting.
I totally get that though, because I actually like it's weird. I never I didn't. I guess I never saw it really as a compliment. It was just like someone believed I could do something. But that thing about learning how to take a compliment, like if somebody I like, have had many a therapy that should be like if you were giving the compliment, do you want the person to be like, Oh no, I don't I like your hair like doing that and it's a nightmare, right, And so that's what got me to start thinking of like, you just want someone to say thank you and like take it, which.
Was hard especially No, maybe I was Canadian in a past life. No, I know, I I it's weird, but it's it's important to try to, you know, take in those that positive energy and not just let it bounce off of you. You know. It's fucking hard, man.
And it is. The more anything that I find difficult like that, the more I try to think of like if I was the other person, what would I want in that? And that's the only way I can kind of trick my brain into being like, oh, I don't want you to not take that.
No, I know. And my thing is is like it's like, oh, they're they're just trying to make me feel good. They're not telling the truth. Yeah. You know, when you're doing something funny, you can kind of feel it, you know what I mean. Like you did Shit's Creak, right, were you on for the whole run of it?
Yeah?
Okay, you know, And you're working with Eugene, who's fucking amazing. I've known him for a long time because you know, Marty Short has been best friends with our family. We had a place up in Muskoka for twenty years.
Oh yeah, the cottagers.
Yeah, the cottage. And so we'd go to Marty's place and Eugene would be there and he's just he's just the greatest person. First of all, it's so funny. They're all amazing, right, and Catherine, I mean, oh my gosh, so you're working with like fuck man, this is, by the way, the improv the improv Royalty as well, you know, and so you know, when it's funny, you don't even have to have anyone tell you. You know, you're like, all right, I know that, I know that work. I know that was good.
Yeah. Well I would say there's something that maybe I've just heard this or something, but like I've heard people say like when it's really funny on set, it's not funny on the screen or something like when the cruise laughing. I don't know, yeah, but like, yes, what I do love about comedy is it's a real truth teller. Like you know, if somebody's fake laughing or not, like you just know it's horrible. It's like the worst. But with Catherine and Eugene, what was so great about them? You know them, so you know they're just like the most humble, nicest, no ego people. If anything to a fault, like if somebody offered us a coffee on set, if you didn't go and get that person who offered you a coffee and everyone else a coffee, you look like an asshole, because Katherine and Eugene would do that. Yes, So it's like, but we actually didn't improve a lot on that show at all though, And most people think, because.
You know, they do that, but you did not.
Not really, we'd add like a button here or there.
That's that's exactly exactly. I mean, you're guests, right, no, no, but you're playing within the structure of the scene. But then that it always sort of happens as a button, right or maybe maybe in the middle of the scene some ship comes out or whatever, but not that, not the entire thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's so funny because I ran into Eugene years ago and I had directed a pilot presentation and and I was then you know, took that and was trying to sell it and actually ended up selling it to HBO. It did nothing happened with it, you know, I didn't go but whatever. So yeah, and I had done it with my dad and he was in he was in it, and just for just for the presentation. I ran into Eugene and he goes, that's so funny. You know I was doing I did the same thing with my son, you know you do and he did it, and so he had shot a presentation with his son, the same thing, same thing. And I was like, that's fucking crazy, and he goes, yeah, we've struck out at we struck out everywhere, this and this and this, and meanwhile i had just sold my show to HBO, and I'm like, oh wow. I was like, oh man, I'm feeling kind of cool, like you know that your your ego takes over just a little bit. You's like, oh yeah, like you know, I love you, buddy. I'm like yeah, And of course this fucking blows up in this massive show. But we had done it at the same exact time, and I think it was originally on Freeform? Was it?
I was on something called pop so you you had not heard of.
Got Pop, right?
But this is so this is such a great story because and it's so present in my life right now. I'm constantly because I've started pitching my own stuff and doing my own show stuff, and I always kind of bring up that shit's Creek went out to everybody with Catherine Era and yeah, and no one wanted it. And then when they they had to do it with the CBC, which is our Canadian broadcast, our government dollars. And had they not done that, we never would have gotten a second season, let alone a six because no one was watching the show, like until they were forced to in the pandemic. And then when we were over, we got nominated for awards.
Isn't it unbelievable how shit happens?
Yeah, But that thing about selling a thing like I did this. I wanted to make this remake of this old show called Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman, and it was a Norman lear show. Do you know Norman Leary's And I got this meeting to pitch him my show. I'd never pitched anything in my.
Life, and you were going to pitch Norman.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I went pitched Norman the show. He was one of the most traumatic things like.
That, I bet I guys icon. Yeah.
However, they ended up wanting to do it, and I thought, oh my god, I've sold it, and then I had to pitch Sony to see if they wanted to do it, and they wanted to do it. I'm like, I sold it, and then I had to go up to networks and is this all like new to me, this whole thing of like the steps? And then we sold it to TVs. I'm like, we sold it, and then TVs got rid of all their scripted and turned into Discovery and that's very Hartman.
Very harm and they and they and so they purchased it. So they they hired a writer to write the script. You never got to shoot the pilot.
So I wrote the script.
You wrote it. I got it. Write the pilot.
Yeah, stuff, And we had the pilot and a lot of people who were with TBS at that time. The only thing that made me feel better about it was that people had shows that were day one of production and we shut down and like and then nobody wanted to buy those shows because they were already like I don't know, yea by somebody else.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know the kind of burned. You know, it's like burned around town. Yeah. Can you get that back though? And turn around? Or no, we did get it back, you did, okay.
And then a series of things happened, like Norman passed away and the strike happened there was just a series of things that it ran its core. But it was the greatest lesson to me. It got me another job, but it was that lesson of like I as an actor, I always thought, you know, if anything, things move so fast because you get cast and you have to shoot and there's no time to prep. And but on the other side of it, like how slow and maybe never going to happen it is, and how much work you put into it for no money. Yeah, the pitching process then.
Yeah, yeah, no, I know, we have I have a deal. I have a producing deal at Fox and so it's I'm in the second year of the deal. And it's been so fun because, as you know, as just an actor, you're sort of limiting your creative experience, you know, because you're kind of at the mercy of other people. You know, a lot of the things that we get or have to audition for, they're not really what we want to do, but we have to make a living. So it's nice to have something that you are in control of. And it's been so much fun. We've sold a bunch of shows. But I understand what you're saying. The process is just molasses, you know, and you put so much work into it. You get the writers paid, which I'm very happy about. I love to you know, provide work through an idea that I might have. But as a producer, you know, we don't get paid shit until that thing gets on the air.
Yeah, that's what I learned too. That also made me feel better about the thing because I started to feel really bad for writers who are just writers. You can work two years on a pitch and a thing and if the show doesn't.
Go, yeah, that's it.
I have a side job. But like, yeah, it was. It's a real lesson in that. Also, I remember just them doing my contract. I've got to do a whole other series while they did.
I know, I know, it's crazy, it is crazy. Are you still creating and producing other than being an actor?
Well yeah, so actually fortunately this Mary Hartman thing, uh, this Elliott Page's company and page Boy script and hired me to do this thing for him, which I'm doing now and love so much. But it is a lesson in how for me, how spoiled we are as actors and how now I'm like maybe I just want to act because like, really, you get treated so well, you get paid so well.
I know, less work, Yes, no, I know. And now you're commissioned, you're hired to write a script, and you're like, okay, here we go, blank page page one, here we go.
Yeah, except I do love the thing of like no. Like, to me, writing is the best parts of acting without any of the bad stuff of like there's nobody watching, there's nob and you can do it like you just can play all the parts, which that's the greatest.
Yeah. No, I see. I love writing, But I like writing when I have to fix No, yes, of course, but I like writing when I have to fix fix something. Like if I have a script in front of me and they're like, all right, cut it up, do what you want to it, make it your own, I'm like, okay, great, I'm very good at that. And I know I can be great, a great writer if I can just regurgitate, just vomit everything out and then go back and take a scalpel to it. I have issues. I mean, I have many issues that we can get into if you want. But my writing issue is that I get overwhelmed by the process and I get I just hit a fucking brick wall, and then I don't know whether I have eighty eight or not. I mean probably do it. I don't know. I think we all do, but like, you know, I think I cannot push pasted it and I get frustrated and I.
Stop, Yeah, are you a perfectionist?
Strangely I didn't think I was, but but but after some self analysis, not even in therapy, just yes, because if you're going to break down, why I stop it is that it's like, oh wait, it's not right, it's not right. Okay, you got to go back rather than just fucking barreling through it. And then I'm like, okay, I got the first act, but holy shit, here comes a big second act, like now what know?
I realized this thing that And again I'm so new to this, so it's not like advice, but this thing happened to me when I was pitching. And you know, you say you're pilot and the pitch, but I hadn't written the pilot yet, and I was like, I need to just write this pilot to know how to pitch this better. And so I wrote the pilot, not having to write, like nobody was waiting for it. I did it over the holidays, and I did the bad draft of like the whatever draft of it, and the fastest thing that's ever come. I think the best thing that because there was no expectations were just find out what this is, find it out while you write it. And then the best like writing advice I ever read was this. Have you ever read Stephen King's book on writing?
No, it's really great, But.
The best thing in it to me is write something and then put it away for like a two weeks at least, and then you read it again and it's like reading something. It's like what you're talking about. When something else you can edit it and you can you know what the animal is. But when you're close to it, it's possible. Yeah.
Yeah, no, it's so true. And it's just about barreling through it.
You know.
It's saying, you know what, it's that no pressure? Who gives a shit? Draft?
Yeah, which is easier to do when there's no pressure.
Yeah, no, for sure. But the thing is that again, for me, it's putting that pressure on myself yourself, rather than saying, who gives a shit? You're not showing this? Then it was just for fucking you, who cares? You know?
I used to have that with like auditions, put I you know, I still have to fight with myself for it, but just even putting myself on tape alone whatever, starting, I couldn't start because I wasn't going to be great out of the gate. And I was just like, if I didn't start, then I didn't fail. Yeah, but the minute I started, then it's like, oh, but I feel like this new thing of like do it badly? Do the world do the worst draft? Yeah?
Yeah, well it's funny. I mean, coming back to Jamila, That's what I love about her so much is you know, she just doesn't give a fuck and that allows her to have like real freedom in her in her acting. She's just so you know, I've.
Worked with her. I admire her work. I think she's amazing, but I didn't know that about her, which is the dream to just give a shit about what I think.
Oh, I know, that's the goal, that's the true goal. Well when did you sort of have that moment where it was, oh, okay, wait a minute, I uh, I can do this for a living, Like I'm now making money and this is my job.
I mean, it was when I I got my when I got my first job. I did my first audition for this show called Are You Afraid of the Dark? And I was so excited to get an audition, which is something I try to remember today when like if my manager agent calls, I love them, but like I'm like, why are you calling? You know, But like back then, to get an audition, I was it was success already and and I knew I wanted it to be a job, like then when I got that, Like in the audition, I looked right into the camera and did but I got the job of girlfriend number one, And in retrospect, I really look back and think I had it good. How my career did go, Like started out in that part. Then I got like an episode of something where I had five lines, and then because I wanted it to be like by the time I was sixteen, if I hadn't worked with Leonardo DiCaprio, I.
Was you failed?
Done? Yeah, And I did feel like I failed. But now I look back and I'm like, god, that was so good because I had things. Especially being in Canada, you can star in like ten movies they go to tiff and no one knows about them, so you have that experience. And like I remember I was in this Cronenberg movie with Rob Pattinson and we went to cat and it was gonna be the biggest thing ever it wasn't, and which was kind of great. When Shit's Creek happened. I was signing on to a show with Catherine O'Hara Eugene Levy. I was like, this is gonna be big and it wasn't. It wasn't. And then when we were done, when me and Annie were to Annie and plays a Lexus on the show, anding each other like any offers, any auditions only did nothing crickets and uh, and then the other the sag Awards happened and all that and crazy. It just helps you know that, yeah, this happens, and then.
That does happen. Yeah, I was working with Cronenberg. That's pretty cool though, I mean, aside from maybe not blowing not blowing up, but like.
Yeah, that's what you realized.
Holy shit, that's so rad. Yeah.
Yeah, he's amazing and for me, nothing like I would have thought because he's just so nice. Yeah, and he doesn't give thankfully. My friend Jay Barshall was in the same movie and he was shooting before me, and I'm like, so, what's he like, what's the direction like? And He's like, just be prepared that he doesn't if he doesn't say anything. He likes it, like if he doesn't give you direction. And thank god he said that to me because me and Rob were in this limo and so he was giving direction as like the voice of God. And all he would do was go like again, hey, thank you and then moving on and like But then I got to know him, and I'm like, oh, if he if he didn't like it, you'd say something and whatever.
But so he would when he when he wanted something else, he would just say it.
Yeah, totally. But he his belief is that he casting is the big thing for him, and he believes that he's cast you in the park. They know what you're doing.
Yeah, oh you've got it wrong.
Even I remember. So Rob had to get it was a Pronenberg movie, so this will make sense to you. He had to get a prostate exam in the limo and Rob never had a prostate exam, and so that was he was like, ah, I'm not sure how you do. And David came in and bent over and showed demonstrated how one gets a prostate exam and that's the kind of directory is y notes or he'll do it for.
You, right. That is amazing. Oh my God, that's so funny.
Yeah, but like the nicest guy.
Yeah. Yeah, So that's the that's the experience you take from that's what you get from it. Maybe it didn't blow up the way that you wanted to, but you got to work with David Cronenberg.
I totally And you know, had that blown up, Like I look back at where I was in my life, Like, had that blown up, then it would not have been great for me. It would like things happened, And I remember like auditioning for things I really wanted and I didn't get it, And had I gotten that, I wouldn't have gotten Shoots Creak and that. Like it's just all these things kind of really work out, I think, I mean, don't.
I know, Well, that is so true. I mean I think there's you know, there's always doors closing and other ones opening, and who knows if there's a reason behind it or if it's just cool. I don't know, that's a bigger question. But yes, you know, when you look back at it, it always kind of seems to work out, you know what I mean. Uh, you know, I don't know if that's just because we don't know the sliding door element of it. We don't know what would have happened. So it's just our reality. So it's all worked out because it's our reality exactly.
There is that core or something where it's like life is lived moving forward but understood backwards and like right to understand it when I can connect to these dots.
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So with your career, you know, were there hang ups? You know what I mean? Were there depressions, were their devastations? Were their relationships that got in the way of things?
You know?
What about what about the woman of Emily? You know what I'm saying?
But how long is this podcast? I mean one of the most I guess significant things was when I moved from Canada to LA In Canada, at that time, I knew the casting directors. I didn't necessarily have to audition all the type people would I'd work with the same people again, they'd write me stuff and then I go to LA and it's like very hard to get an audition and very and if I did get an audition, it would be like those pre read things where you're in a casting director's office there's no camera and no and that was a real goal to me, Like I didn't know, I felt like I didn't know how to act in a room and stuffing, like if I'm playing I don't know an alien in something. I feel like I could do that if there's like a camera or something, but just in your office and you're just sitting there and I'm just at your desk, I don't know how to go full alien.
Yeah, don't.
And so I started breaking out in literal hives like full body tis every time I went into an audition, and so I told my agent at the time, my US agent, I was like, so I can't audition anymore. I'll just put myself on tape, and he was and then he dropped me, which was totally fair. I'm friends with to this day. Fair. But then the audition for Shit's Creak came along, and my Canadian agent, who has been my agent since I was started, since I was thirteen, I lived in her house and so she was like, they're in La go in. They're Canadian, they're nice, and she like really pushed me to go in the room.
So you actually kind of quit audition. You're like, I can't do this, Oh, yes, very much.
So Actually the Kronenberg thing came from a tape which was quite fortunate because nothing else came.
From a dape.
So yeah, but that Shit's Creak audition, like my Canadian agent really pushed and I knew the cast director from Canada and he'd come in and she was like, Daniel Descento was reading with you. She like set up the scene and I went in and I didn't break out in hives. Dan has a story about what I did that I have no recollection of, but like I don't know. But anyways, but like I went in and had I not, I didn't change my life and so.
Yeah, wow wow, And then so through that, so after that, you know, Shit's Creek ends, and then are you sort of on your way or was there like kind of a lull where you're like, wait a minute, what the fuck? Yeah?
Yeah, not just the normal because so also when I got Shit's Creak, it was there was no streaming at the time, right like that first year. So my Canadian agent was like ay, and I didn't I thought I was just the girl in front giving David towells like I didn't know where this part was going to go, but I wanted to people, and my Canadian age it was like if you're just gonna be giving towels on a show in Canada that's not gonna go anywhere else if you get an American series. She put in my contract that if I got an American series that didn't conflict, I could do it. Lo and behold. I got this show called twelve Monkeys that was an American series at the same time as Shits, and it didn't conflict at first, and then they went for a second season, and then it was I was doing Shits during the day and twelve Monkeys at night, and it was the greatest time of my life.
Yeah.
Yeah, And everybody was so nice to me, Like the ads would be like, you got fifteen minutes, just I'll tuck you win, bring you something. I mean it just like what I love to do is like NonStop work. But then they both.
Ended, Oh my god.
So it was also it wasn't just like that. It wasn't just that they both ended. They were both the greatest parts of all time in completely different ways. Like twelve Monkeys. I don't know if you know the movie.
Yeah, the movie. Yeah, I didn't see the show. I didn't see your show, but I know the movie.
That's okay. I played the Brad Pitt Park. So it's a great part, right, I got to do everything, and it was time travel, so like as an actor, everything, and then I got to do Stevie, who just the easiest job in the world, right, so all at the same time. And then that ended, and not only did I not have a job, I didn't think i'd ever get as good a job, like I would never get both satisfying both those things ever, And that's actually when I started kind of creating my own stuff. And because what I saw Dan do, Dan Levy, who his hands were in everything like the size of the menus, the costumes, the creating a world of it was what I realized, like, Oh, when I do a part, what I love the most more than the acting, it's like with the ideas and what I'm gonna wear, what I'm gonna look like, what all that coming up with a character that I love. And I even sometimes like I love working with people I've worked with before, so like on Twelve Monkeys, I get to have an idea and be like, oh, what if we did this, then then it happens, And so I was like, that is the only way I'm gonna get everything I want, right, And then I did that and I've got nothing nothing nothing, no money.
Either, not yet. I mean, you're that does the thing is it's all Oh, it's just always a hustle. It's always a hustle. At whatever level you get to, you're still hustling. No, true. You know Tom Cruise is still hustling to be Tom Cruise.
Yeah, and I can see him working at it too when he's.
Being Tom Cruise. Yeah. Never hard, right, it never ends. It never ends.
But you're right about that. It's at every every level because I think back in like when I got my first audition, that was huge to me. Right now, fuck do I ever not want an audition?
I know?
But then now I'm doing Like my manager just actually had this talk with me yesterday because I was like, oh, I didn't sell this thing, and I was sad, and he's like, but you did sell it. You just didn't sell it to the like I did sell it. But I sold it in the first thing, and I wanted you know, that was overlooked because I'm like, more, it has to be better and better it does.
Yeah, well that's what drives us. But at the same time we have to, you know, find that gratitude. Obviously, you know.
That's what Jamila Jambill has. She knows what the fuck's up.
Yeah, she was a quitch like I don't want to be an astrohnt. I hate it. And then now she wanted to spend time with her dogs.
Yeah.
No, now she's done this and she's having a blast because a couple of gigs she was not having, you know, whatever it was, it wasn't great. And now she's kind of like, this is so fun. I think I want to be an actor again, you know, but I just love the conviction. She's like, fuck it, I don't give a shit. It's so great.
I aspire to be that way. And then I'm like, if I was like I think I always see this and they're like, that's not what it means independently wealthy or just just not have to worry about money things ever again, then I could be yeah, no, I know, but maybe I couldn't, you.
Know, I know, I know, I get that. I mean there's practicalities in life, you know, there's certain things. I mean, I have three kids, I've got school, I've got this, I got my wife. She doesn't work, you know, she just wants to be a mom, which is I fucking love. But now it's like okay, Papa Bay. You know. So there's a.
Lot and it's at every level too, because like, you know, I think people have this idea of actors and like even with the fires and stuff, you know, Liker Levey lost her house and and a lot of people are like, oh, these people are rich, they can for their new that's not like you know, I mean it's yes, it's easier on certain levels to be able to start over and stuff, but like it comes with its different issues and we you know, doing shit's creek people. I get these d ms all the time, like can you pay for my hospital treatment and stuff? Because I'm like, we we need Anadian dolt, the equivalent of seashells. That's right, like under actra, Like no, what is this idea that you're you know, and but the is I'm fine, I'm not. I'm very happy. But it's this you got to be good in your head if at all, Like.
Yeah, you're not married right now, are you?
No?
I'm you're divorced. Okay, so I want to get into your love life for a second, but sort of how you balance or create space for someone or even if you fucking want to. I don't know. But career, love marriage, you know, is this? Has it affected your love life? Has your career affected your love life?
Oh yeah, oh yeah. So I've done it all and I'll try to get it in two minutes a minute. So I was married for like eight years. It's great marriage and stuff, but I would go away for like a year, and then it wouldn't be and then I would think it would just be three months, and then it would keep going, and you know, uh, I, if I was on the other side of that, I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with somebody like that. So it was very difficult. But then then I was engaged and that and then I realized.
That that happened.
So I've done all that. But then I realized, like I am married to my work. I am. It's not lost on me that I'm a total workaholic. It is what I will choose it over everything. And so I decided I don't want to say I'm gonna be with somebody when at the end of the day, I'm gonna choose work. And so I don't ever want I don't want love or relationships or none of that. I am great friends and yeah people and yeah, oh my god, I'm done with love not forever, oh yeah, no, but I'm I love working you and even like making something. It feels like that's your baby.
I don't know not I get it. I get it, I for sure, But like, you can't it's impossible to say you're done with love forever. That sounds you know what I mean. It sounds like scorned in a way you can't because you can't. You can't control. I mean, what if someone walks into your life and you're like, holy fuck, oh my god, Wait a minute.
See, I don't think I think I've kind of like, I don't think I it because I'll be like I'm writing my bad draft.
I predict that that it's not that. It is that that you are not going to be married to your work for the rest of your life.
Well, I love people in my life.
Oh no, for sure. For sure. You're fun and you're funny, and you're pretty, and you're all of these things, and you're great energy, and you're going to meet someone and all of a sudden you're going to be friends, and then it's going to be oh my god, this is cool. And then before you know it. It's like, oh my god, you're kind of making out. And then it's like you're like, wait a minute, this is more than just a night. Okay, oh shut okay, what's happening here? And then in five years bang.
Yeah, are we working together? Yes? Well, but what do you take that compliment? Thank you cause things about me?
That's right, that's right, so right, so take it. You know you're so welcome, You're so welcome. Well, let's let's the three of us like, go to dinner, get to get a drink or something.
I mean, you're here, yes, I want to get together.
Let's let's figure that out. Let's figure that out. Well, so fun. I appreciate it, and I have I'm here for another food three weeks, so we'll hang out. I think we should. I think that'll be fun. It's too much like.
It's one in the morning. I'll see you, like trying to flag down, like.
Exactly knocking on the head. I'm lost again.
Alight.
It was great talking to you, all right, see you soon? Bye bye. Cool. I made a new friend. She's so sweet, she's funny. God, I haven't watched ships creak. I'm like the only person who kind of hasn't, I guess, but I'm gonna check it out because she's so quirky and quirky. Not quirky quirky like c O r k Y. No, it's quirky quirky Oliver q U I r k y. She's quirky and she's right so funny. Yeah, very cool. All right, we're gonna hang out. I'm gonna leave because I don't feel like talking anymore. Like no,
