On this episode of the College Football Apostles, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden tackle college football's hottest topics- such as Texas Tech inquiring with the Big 12 about whether their unencrypted signals had been hacked by any of their recent opponents. The guys also discuss Miami opening against Notre Dame at home to kick off the 2025 season, discuss the likelihood of the current AP top 10 teams making the college football playoff, and discuss whether Michigan's recent QB decommit is a product of Dave Portnoy's NIL pledge, or the offense looking like garbage.
George and Ralph discuss some of the 2023 recruiting spend data for college football's top schools, and also talk about Ross Dellenger's article about how Pitt went from 3-9 to 7-0.
Finally, the guys make their picks in the Ohio State/Penn State, Ole Miss/ Arkansas, Oregon/Michigan, Texas Tech/Iowa State and Pitt/SMU games.
I'm George Reister. He's Ralph Amson, and this is the College Football Apostles presented by The Unafraid Show. Despite many episodes, I've told you that this is the PAC twelve Apostles, because this is formally the Pack twelve Apostles, And we actually had to start this recording over because somebody kept saying it. But you, guys, make sure that you like subscribe, tell a friend about the show because we love college football. We know that you do too, and continue to share, like subscribe all of those things for the show to continue to grow. But we got a lot to talk about today, and the first thing is, Ralph, I am already sad, Like I am sad, And part of this is bit because I generally have a a like a like I deal with FOMO pretty bad in life. And now I'm looking like I don't want to ruin the rest of the college football season because I'm like, there's only four games left, Like we're in week ten already. How did I have to wait like thirty weeks for college football and now it's already damn near over. What did we do to deserve this? This feels sad.
This happens every single time. It's like it's a roller coaster. You it takes two minutes to get up to that top. Drop click click click, click, click, click, click click click. You have all this anticipation, and then once you reach the top, it takes ninety seconds for the ride to be over.
Actually, it feels like a ten minute climb for a forty five second ride. Yes worth it though, yes, oh but and honestly, this season feels more worth it. And I've started to hear a lot of the people who were pushing back on never expansion, they're getting it now. They're getting it because we still have four four weeks left of regular season. Ball five for some for some teams in terms of the number of games, and how many teams would you say are still alive? Thirty in terms of potential to make the college football playoffs and not at an at large bid territory, but for getting a chance to get into their conference championship game, because getting into the conference championship game means that you got a shot.
Thirty fields high end maybe twenty.
Five, Okay, so that means the entire top twenty five essentially, if you're yeah.
If you're excluding, if you're excluding like Army, Boise State. Maybe a couple that are outside it. Maybe a couple.
Okay, Yeah, there's.
Like Virginia Tech is not in the top twenty five, but they are still alive because they're three and one in the ACC and I think they still play Clemson if I'm not mistaken. So there's a couple teams like that that technically could go get hot and win the conference that are outside the top twenty five. So maybe it is closer to what you say, Maybe it's closer to thirty.
Yeah, it's the whole point is that it's a lot more than what we've ever seen. And I think that this is good for college football. I think it is better this way. There was a a topic that came up and it didn't really garner the type of traction that I thought it would. Ralph and it's a bigger deal then people really want to talk about and I noticed nobody is talking about it, none of the schools, none of the coaches. This feels like there was a memo sent out like hey, yo, yo yo, guys, guys, we're not gonna talk about this. We're not gonna talk about Bruno. And that is that Texas Tech was worried about helmet hacking, and the Big twelve says that it never happened. And what happened is for everybody that doesn't know, is that when this year helmet communications for the first time in college football, we're going to be used where that just like the NFL coaches can talk to the players first time ever. And the problem is is that they were using unencrypted bandwidths or unencrypted you know situations. Now that matters because one on one hand, if you have a trans of radio transponder and you know how to find signals, you can find it just by searching and finding the signals. So this is what has apparently been able to go on and.
Young that's ridiculous, right, anybody younger than us has to be listening to this right now and saying, what are you talking about? But do you have people in your life of police scanners.
My granddaddy had a police scanner. We used to sit around and listen to the police scanner at night.
Me too, my stepmom's dad. We'd sit around and listen to a police scanner. It's a very very common thing. I something happened in my neighborhood yesterday. I wish I had one. I bet you there's college football fans, especially in Texas, with scanners.
Do you believe? And well, that's how Texas Tech probably found out, is that somebody was like, hey, yo, I found this feed. I guarantee you that's how somebody found out. Somebody was playing around and they were like yo, yo, I'm gonna I'm gonna let the let the school know because if I figured this out, somebody else probably figured it out too. So the question is do you think anybody's helmet communication was was hacked. I actually, actually that's not even hacking because it's it's available, open sourced information. That's not even hacking. That's just like turning it on.
Yeah. So my father in law hid his wife's birthday present in the trunk of their car last week. What she opened the trunk of the car. Yeah, he was like cleaning the garage. He's like, well, I'll move it from the garage to the trunk while I cleaning the garage.
Oh, you forgot to put him back on.
Yeah, he was like in the process like it and and uh, but like that's what that's what people calling this hacking reminds me of of, like, no they just were in the area of the thing happening. You know, you wouldn't even have to be now, I guess if you went into it with the intent, but it's it's unprotected. My question is, how do you do you think they're fixing? Like, do you think this Saturday there's not going to be just you know, truckers passing by that can get on the frequency of what zone.
So apparently there's been an update sent out and things are gonna be encrypted now. But okay, listen, I'm not this is college football. I would not be surprised if people are like, okay, well, you know, we'll just see if they're not encrypted, if they didn't update theirs or not, hey whatever, But here, I would leave behind open, though I would leave mine open if I knew that somebody was had it. I am disinformation in the hell out of them. I'm gonna let them get a get get a couple of calls, right, and then and then say screen screen, Hey, hey yo, we got to hit the screen here man, And then and then pump fake bomb. Yeah, I bet you get off that damn scanner and scanner now. And then I'd be pointing over the other box like sores, and then I would crypt Texas tex.
Texas Tech's been getting made fun of for this, right, like kind of getting made fun of because they because they lost two games in a row and so then and they're the one that reported it. So I think people were looking at Texas Tech like, oh, they they're not accepting their losses. But I guess Kirby Hokut was just like we all get everyone all sixty eight teams in the Power for got the equipment from the same place. Yeah, so I think I think they were like, hey, can we just check, And then when the Big twelve said it's not happening, Kirby ho Cut was like, okay, cool, cool, I just you.
Know, yeah, I wanted to. It just looked like he was trying to make an excuse as opposed to somebody just raising an issue of like, hey, yo, this is not exactly secure and just so everybody knows it's not. Because it didn't sound like there was any accusations.
Level said no, somebody affiliate and this is like we were talking about, there's just people with scanners. Somebody recorded themselves listening to Joey Maguire's play calls into Baron Morton or whatever, and they sent it to him. Wow. So someone was like, hey, heads up, I can hear what you're.
Doing, bro, bro, and people really don't want to know. I'm gonna tell you what's said on those headsets. I promise you that is not for public consumption at all. You should not want anybody to hear what the hell is on them had had sets. The players don't even want to know what's on them headsets. I promise you that nasty.
Remember who was the oct at Notre Dame that was yelling at Drew Pine all the time on that little telephone. You can bet they say some pretty negative stuff about their quarterbacks.
For sure. It was like, oh sorry, ass, I can't see this, Why we need a new one.
There's mentions of the portal, for sure that are just out there that anybody with a scanner could have found.
Yep, all right, all right. So we got news that there is going that there is a schedule update happening, and that is for twenty twenty five. Is that Miami has now added Notre Dame and they're going to open the season with Notre Dame next season. I like this because I like teams playing better schedules. So Miami is going to have Notre Dame and Florida in the non conference and UCF legitimate game and but Thune cook me, I do know, and you know that I am a person who will bash terrible college football schedules, Ralph, I approve of this. If you're not gonna play nine conference games, this is what your schedule needs to look like.
Yeah. So the interesting thing about this is, you know, yes, Miami's a premiere program. Notre Dame is a premier program, but it's you know, it's part of the Notre Dames kind of one foot in, one foot out thing with the with with the ages, with the AEC.
Yeah.
Yeah, and so you know my question is, and I love I love one offs, but I also love home and homes. I don't think I don't think this is a home and home. I think it's just hard rock stadium opener in twenty twenty five, and Miami is not going.
Yeah return oh wait, no, no, no, no, no, they do go to Notre Dame in twenty twenty six.
Oh okay, oh.
Yeah, it's a TBA. It doesn't have a date yet.
Oh okay, So just does TBA also mean that they could back out because I remember Notre Dame had the Arizona State home and home, and once they played that first game, Notre Dame just opted out of the second one.
Well, they this is a longstanding thing, so they don't play them in twenty seven, Then they do again in twenty eight, then again in thirty one, thirty two, thirty four, and thirty seven, which is insane that schedules are that far far out in advance. But the thing that I do notice, though, Ralph, is that beyond twenty twenty six and the fact that this game is to be announced, this feels like the ACC is kind of and if we see other teams start announcing games, I think it'll mean that the ACC is probably it to nine conference games, or that there's gonna be some sort of more schedule realignment at this at this point, so so I think that that's the Taeiltale sign of that. But the whole point is we are supposed to be getting better college football schedules. I was even looking at Oregon schedule and next year they have Montana State, Oklahoma State, and then Oregon State. So you know we'll see enough for you. I mean, the the Oregon State game. That's like a tweener, right because it's kind of a Mountain West game, but your arrival and a powerful game.
As a as an Oregon alum, the way you've always talked about Oregon State is you kind of shrugged it if they got rid of that game for a better game. I know a lot of people would be upset, but you wouldn't, right, Uh.
I wouldn't at this point because it doesn't feel fair, Okay, but I do think the game should exist. I just want better for Oregon State, if that makes sense. Like that that I don't want to like. It's not fun. Beating up on somebody who can't fight back like that just makes you a turd. If you like that sort of sort of thing. I am always going to be a proponent of of tough games and tough schedules, even if you lose, because as a college football fan, shouldn't watching good games be the ultimate prize? Shouldn't watching Oregon m I mean, watching Ohio State and Penn State isn't that much much better than than watching Ohio State play Mercer?
Yeah? Yes, I mean it's it's the reason that you know in you know, I know you're a big UFC fan, but bigger than me for sure. But it's the reason that you work yourself up to a certain level, whether it's through your accomplishments or as a draw. Right. Yeah, And then you don't like Connor McGregor is not going to take a fight with somebody who's in their second third professional fight. Correct, even though he's three and five in his last eight professional fights. He's a massive draw. He's not going to put himself up against somebody that he could just like knock out in the in the first round and have it be a surprise to nobody.
Correct.
And once you get to a certain level in college football, then you want to go out and test yourself and challenge yourself every single week. So now that that makes sense to me, you've been very very consistent on just wanting better games. And now that the college football Playoff has expanded, your whole season doesn't hinge on just one fluke loss.
Yes, one, and that leads us to the college Football Playoff. And so the College Football Playoff obviously is twelve teams this year and two years will be expanded to fourteen teams. The big ten in the SEC they want for the guaranteed four spots. Each part of me understands and agrees with them. Another part of me hates it because I do believe that the Big Ten and SEC are by far the two best conferences. On the other hand, there needs to be a level playing field in college football. That the idea that whether it's my Oregon Ducks, whether it's Alabama Georgia has so much more where like Vanderbilt in what is a fantastic season this year, no matter how good Vanderbilt does, no matter how well they recruit, will never win the SEC unless something dramatic changes. They just can't. So that is an inherent problem to me, is that no matter how good you do, like, you can never be the Kansas City Royals who won the World Series and what like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, whatever year it was, that that can't happen. You can't be the Florida Marlins and win. And in the world of college football, like Cincinnati can't win the National Championship. Neither can't. I mean, there's so many teams that have no shot. Rice has no shot, and there should be opportunity if you can build it.
And that's why I like promotion and relegation. I don't know if you could ever set college football up that way, but when I'm playing like NCAA fourteen, this is gonna sound very lame to a lot of people. I don't care. I had ten years with this one video game because they never made any updates. What I started to do is I started to affiliate a group of five conference with a power five conference, and at the end of every year, I took the conference champion and I moved them up to their corresponding conference. So like, if somebody was in the American and they won the American Conference, I'd move them to the ACC and I dropped the bottom team down to the American. And I did it every offseason because you can manipulate the schedules. And I mean so giving people other things to win besides national championships and conference championships could be a really good way to rectify that.
I would not mind the promotion and relegation is it of the conferences, because that'll that'll get you, boy, that'll get some real people motivated. I mean, just like people get motivated. Boise State just got a twenty five million dollar donation, their biggest that they've ever gotten so somebody out there in Idaho or who went to Boise State. Because every school has big money people. It is a matter of if you can motivate them, if football matters to them, and they have found somebody who is motivating and they're happy to be moving to the Pac twelve and everything else. But the question is, Ralph, who is going to make the college football Playoff at this point in time, because obviously we're going to have the winner of the highest ranked group of five team ACC SEC, Big ten, and Big twelve. All five of those are going to get in. So now you got seven spots. And I was kind of trying to do the math on this this week and really trying to figure out who it was going to be, and I had I believe that there will be. I believe that Oregon is as probably close to a lock in getting in the top twelve somewhere as you can probably be. Would you agree with that? Yeah? That then from there people are like, well, well, George is a lot, but Georgia is not a lot because Georgia still has to play Florida Ole, Miss Tennessee, and you know, and Georgia Tech really and so they can lose if they lose, if they mess around to people like there's no way they can lose to Florida, brother damn near lost to Kentucky, so there are no layups. There are no more layups.
So Georgia between having five games left and four games left before the conference championships, yes, huge different I've left And if they go three and two they don't make the conference championship, then all of a sudden they're at risk.
Yes, and if they lose to Florida, but actually, if they lose to Florida but then beat Tennant Tennessee, they will get get in. So I would say Georgia probably, let's are are we okay putting Georgia in?
I would say yeah. I would put it like, because you're saying this chance, I would say ninety ten Georgia gets.
In, okay, so let's put Georgia in. Then we got Penn State. Is Penn State in win or lose this Ohio State game because all they got left is Washington, Purdue, Minnesota, and Maryland, which there's some losable games on that schedule too with Penn State's offense, but.
In all likelihood losing to Ohio State and then turning around and going like eleven and one or ten and two like they often have. I would say that they probably have the best chance of any Big Ten teams to not go to the Big Ten Championship if they were to lose to Ohio State.
Okay, so do you believe? Okay? So then there's the Ohio State conversation. Because Ohio State still has Penn State and they have Indiana left on this schedule. Do they win both of those games or none of those games or one of those games?
I think as long as they win one, they're in.
Yeah. I would agree with that too. So let's put Ohio State in. And I think we're good with putting Penn State in. But but here is where stuff gets crazy. Because the Penn State loses to one of them unranked teams and lost to Ohio State, they could be sitting on the outside too quickly or right on the cusp. So Miami, are you putting Miami in.
Because the ACC still has the opportunity to possibly only get one team. I'm fifty to fifty on Miami.
So you think he's only gonna get one one team? If well, if if Miami plays Clemson in the ACC, championship and my Miami wins. I think Clemson is not going to the playoffs because of how badly that they lost to Georgia.
Yeah, I think that's where it's I think if the if you, I think the only way you get two ACC teams in is if you run two undefeated teams up against each other in the in the ACC Championship, which there is still an opportunity to do, or if Clemson beats an undefeated Miami, then I could see Miami still getting in as long a yes, it's not like an egregious yeah, because.
People are underestimating this pit situation and SMU. But the problem is that Pitt's back half of the schedule is tough. They got SMU this week, and they got Clemson so the uh SO, and they got Louis Louisville too, which ain't no cakewalk. So they're gonna be in a position where they could either fly all the way up and be a potential lot to get in the College Football Playoff or not. Like that's the the so I would say Pitt is one of those wildcard teams and that could end up in the College Football Playoff too. Another team is Texas so we will go ACC champ which let's assume that for the sake of an easy discussion, is Miami. So right now we got Oregon, Georgia, Ohio State, Penn State, and Miami. So then then let's go to Texas. Is Texas in or out because they still got to play Texas A and M and if they Ralph. If they lose to Texas A and M, they would have lost to Georgia and Texas A and M and beaten no ranked teams current ranked teams on the on the season, even though they would have had Michigan, who is who will likely have at least four losses, Oklahoma's basically same position vand the same position and those would be their best wins.
With two losses, would they still have the opportunity to potentially play in the SEC Championship or are we saying that.
That No, no, no, no, no no. If they lose to Texas A and M, that's.
Then you think the A and M.
Yeah, yeah, that's basically a burrito. That's that's basically going to take them out because Tennessee is going to be in front of them potentially in the stats. Well, actually, Tennessee five in the SEC right, Yes, yes, Texas and is five and.
Twice to see back to Texas.
Yes, yeah, win the game.
No, you're you're one hundred percent right. Texas is probably on a fifty to fifty track right now.
Yep, exactly, and then you got uh from there, and then you got Notre Dame. I believe Notre Dame is a lot to get in as long as they went out because they're already ranked number eight right now. And if they're yeah, as long as they went went out, I believe they're getting in the College football playoffs.
But one loss and they're done, right, Yes? Or do you think they would get that much of the benefit of the day.
No. One, one loss and it's over because they don't have a conference championship and they lost to Northern Illinois. It's the Northern Illinois loss. Had they lost to text saying them, may be fine, but Northern Illinois has too much for people to stomach. Who wins the Big Twelve? And can the Big Twelve get more than one team in because right now they got by U and Iowa State, both ranked I think they only get one team in.
I agree with you if it's those two teams because I would State doesn't play I don't think anybody on the way, and they don't. They don't play BYU, right, so they you could.
Have no, they they have Texas Tech, Kansas, Cincinnati, Utah, and oh they do have Kansas State.
Oh okay, so maybe maybe if they beat Kansas State and you have two undefeated teams and it's a decent enough game, they would include two. But you and I both know Iowa State hasn't. They're seven to zero, but not real. Yeah, they're the weakest undefeated too.
Yes, agree with you, one hundred percent. Agree with you there. And then there is BYU. Do you think they can they're eight? No, can they navigate Utah, Kansas, Arizona State in Houston?
Absolutely and every single day that as So if SMU beat SPIT, then we got to start looking at BYU as as probably getting into the College Football Playoff because their schedule, like Utah is falling apart. Uh. The ASU game in Tempe could be tough, but I marked that before the season is one, I didn't think ASU was gonna win.
Yeah, so.
They would be They would have the least star power of any team that made the College Football Playoff, But undefeated is undefeated, and if SMU is ten and two, that's a really good win.
For sure, especially if they beat Iowa State or whoever they run up against.
I don't know, I think if I think if BYU, if SMU beats Pitt, we have to start looking at BYU as a college football playoff team regardless of what happens in the Big Twelve Championship.
That definitely could factor in. How about Clemson because Clemson is now in a position where they've rattled off what six straight wins after that thirty four to three lost to Georgia, They've beaten app State, in C State, Stanford, FSU, Wake, Virginia, and Louisville. The best records that they have gone up against Ralph are they're gonna play Louisville, who is five and three. Aside from that, there's no team that they've played that's better than four and four.
I think they kind of have the easiest path because they could as long as they just would. They have two ACC games left or three.
They have the Louisville, Virginia Tech, and Pitt, and then they got Citadel and South Carolina.
Yeah, so they're in a position where as long as they win their ACC games, and they could even lose one. They could even lose one, like Clemson could lose three more times and still make the College football Playoffs.
Well, as long as they don't lose to Pitt. That's the thing. They can't lose to Pitt though, Yeah.
But they could. They could. Clemson could technically be a four lost team in the college football playoffs.
Yep, yep. And I think that we're the way they could lose to the That's the thing about it is that we're gonna find out, though. Ralph is like, we're gonna find out that college basketball understands what's going to happen more than college football understands what's going to happen, because we're The college football Playoff was expanded to ensure that the blue bloods get into the playoff, right, to ensure that you know that that the Alabama Georgia situation doesn't happen last year, that they both get to go, that Oregon and Washington that they both get to go despite what happened that last year. You know that they're still two of the top twelve teams. That's what it was created for. But what happens Ralph. When you have an unexpected conference championship loss for a team that's guaranteed to get in the playoffs and now an automatic bid is now given away, that's gonna that's gonna cause the that's where the drama's gonna come in is when you know, a three loss cleansing team beats Miami in the ACC championship and you and you're like Miami sitting here at twelve and one and you're gonna leave them.
Does it make you rethink your opposition to them automatically going to fourteen in two years or do you think that's what they had in mind when they did that.
I think that that's what they had had in mind. That they want to make sure that the top four teams from the SEC and the s A seed of SEC and Big ten get into the playoffs. That's what that's what they want. I mean. And truthfully, when you look at the top half of these conferences, it's very interesting. So but you and this is where I always talk about logos matter, because Indiana at eight and oh is number thirteen. If you put Clemson at eight and oh with the schedule, they basically played the exact same schedule if you take off that Georgia game and replace it with anything, and you just change the Indiana name to Clemson, who where where are they ranked? Are they ranked thirteenth, ralph higher?
Maybe?
Yes, they're probably rightked six, fifth at eight and oh, because it's Clemson. And that's where I wonder how the College Football Playoff Committee is going to deal with the logos, because because in the AP rankings, Indiana is sitting right in front of a six and two Alabama team and when you look at Alabama's wins, that that Georgia win obviously sticks out majorly. But outside of that, you can't. I mean, that's the part that's making it so much more difficult. So I'm actually excited to see how many teams are going to make it, because these these little games that are supposed to be, you know, layups, they're not layups. And we're gonna and some teams are going to get upset. And I do believe we're gonna have some big names left out of the playoff and that's gonna get some real people mad. So, uh, Marcelo put was it Jason marsh Marcelo Brandon put out a tweet about college football playoff voters that being given forty five minute versions of games so they can plow through them. And I'm like, I was hoping that that was the case. I was hoping that they that they weren't watching games with commercial breaks and having to fast forward and everything else. They and they do a hard job.
They get them together. They get them together. We've seen the Yeah, because Paula Boyven, who I know a little bit, was on the selection committee. They fly them in and get them together and have them sit in a room and watch college football all day.
Yeah. Bro, this is a whole job I would be doing. I would be watching. I would love to be on the college football Playoff committee, and I believe I would do a fantastic job. And I would watch games all day and nitpick and everything else. And we're we're starting to learn more about their process. So it's actually interesting. So Michigan in the University of Michigan, who is having quarterback problems. They lost a quarterback and a quarterback commit this this week. So Jack Tuttle, who had played this year, he has now said, listen, I'm done with football. I have, you know, too many concussions. So he's out Michigan lost their commit Carter Smith as well. Now this was a kid who's ranked the three star right now out of Bishop rot in Fort Myers, Florida. So I'm wondering what was this a de commitment or was this a drop? How do you see it, Ralph? And in terms of Michigan's quarterback situation.
Well, does it matter? How is it going to be spun for the next guy that Michigan's going after? Like it, there's whatever it was, and however it's gonna be looked at. Right, So you have you have Michigan, I think on the season has like six touchdown passes.
Yes, it ain't it ain't looking pretty.
And then they have a quarterback commit de commit and now you could say, okay, well the context of that is, you know, they they don't need this kid anymore now that daddy, Dave Portnoy big Bucks came in said that he was willing. But that's for portal stuff. Yeah, but you should need chool recruiting.
Yeah yes, oh yeah, yes, unless they believe that they're gonna flip some other big name kid for the for the money.
But it would only be for the money because you can't at this point you can't commit to Michigan for the playing time. You know they're gonna run over. That's the same as Oregon. That's the same as any high school kid looking at Oregon. You have to look at those not just the most recent history, George, but going back probably ten fifteen years that outside of Marcus Mariota, they do look to recruit high school and from up top, and most of the guys from up top either come in and start right away, or there's a lot of pressure on the person who's in the program to hold them off, like with the Tyler Shuck Anthony Brown situation. So I would advise, and I don't expect a lot of you know, high school quarterback prospects watch this show. I would hope that they would. It's good information and it's entertaining. But look at minor league baseball. Look at minor league baseball, and make that your model. Go somewhere where you can play, prove yourself and level up. You should be looking at college football. If you're a high schooler right now, you should be looking at college football as where can I go in and play? And if that's Weaver State, that's we State. Even if you have offers from uh from big time programs. If you've got Iowa State and Weaver State, but you know Iowa State's gonna take a uh transfer out of the portal, then go somewhere where you're gonna play, because then you're the person to come in. And I don't know, I don't know, but I think that I would caution any high school player who's going to commit to Michigan for the money, because you're not gonna be on the field.
Yep, that's one hundred percent. And I actually think we're gonna see some quarterback flips soon. I think that we're gonna have uh Jaron uh key ways saga saga Polute. I think he's gonna flip from from cal Over to Oregon. I think you're gonna have Julian Lewis potentially flip from usc to either colorad or Indiana, and then that's gonna create a free for all for some of these other kids. That's what I think. Now. The the Carter Smith kid that just decommitted from Michigan, he's ranked twentieth in in the country, so he's gonna and he had plenty of other options and offers, So I think that We're gonna see some movement in the quarterback landscape because of the Michigan thing and because of and because of what's gonna transpire in some other spots as well with some de commitments because if usc if they lose you to who they who's been committed for some time, Bro, that is going to send a panic around there. And I know that they know that it is possible. So they are making contingency plans, but it doesn't look like they've been bringing in other a whole bunch of other twenty twenty five quarterback recruits. So it's gonna get very interesting, buddy, because of Dion pulls one of them last minute flips and that puts them in a in a bad situation. All them fans gonna go crazy.
True, very true.
All right. So the recruiting spending for twenty twenty three, this has been a like everybody keeps talking about, oh my gosh, these teams in their recruiting budgets and their nil budgets and everything else. So Ralph has the list of how much that people have spent and he wants me to guess these these school are you ready to go?
Yeah, So you give me a school, okay, or I'll give you a school. I guess I'll give you a school. And then I want you to tell me what you believe they spent on recruiting, just recruiting.
Okay in the three school year. Okay, give me a range. What what what is the top of the list, Like what number is at the top of the list, and then what number is like at the bottom of the list.
Okay, So here's here's an example. We'll go to what we'll do. We'll do your guys first, because you have to assume that they're on the very high end of recruiting spending.
No, no, no, no, I'm saying, tell tell me what the number is for the like what's the most money spent? Don't tell me who? So I can give you a range.
I I think the most the most money spent is bordering on like five million dollars.
What dude, it was like two. It was like Georgia a couple of years ago spent like two almost three million of people thought it was out outrageous. And then what would be a low end number.
For the power for a low end number would be seven figures, like just barely seven figures, Okay, would.
Be okay, cool, Okay, cool. Now I haven't range between one in one in five million, okay cool, But the.
Five million I believe is an extreme outlier.
Okay, I believe. All right, So.
Let's start with let's start with your boys in the big ten twenty twenty three recruiting spending University of Oregon.
Let's go. I want to go like one point nine million.
Okay, so technically not big ten and twenty twenty three they were packed twelve. You say one point nine. The actual number is just over three million dollars. Whoah, God for twenty twenty three recruitings.
Good job, good job, That money is well spent. All right.
Let's do a team that everybody.
Them boys private jetting all over the place. Bro.
Let's do a team that when people think of when they think of this team, they think conservative. But that's on the field.
Yeah. Oh oh, hold on, I just want to point out to people that a lot of these a lot of this money is spent, Like when these numbers get high, it is on plane travel. It is on private planes for coaches, because some of these schools only send their head coaches on private planes where and then they send their assistance economy and all of that kind of stuff where they drive and all this stuff. But for the bigger programs, the assistance even fly private sometimes or the majority of time.
Yeah, and then very rarely, very rarely, it's on things for the actual business, like they're handing kids bags of cash. It's that like it's the food at the restaurant. I think for arch Manning's recruiting visit, they like booked a cruise or like a boat a boat trip and all the liquor for the adults. Ye, was part of that spin. So let's go with Let's go with someone who was in the Big ten last year, and when you think them, you think conservative. Let's go University of Iowa. What do you think their twenty twenty three recruit spend was.
Now that I know that Oregon spent three million, let's go with one point four.
One point four million, okay, two point two four million dollars.
Oh, so they spent more on that than they actually spent investigating their their offense and you know, and try trying to put a better offense together. Good.
Yeah, I would assume that most of that recruiting spind went to the defensive side of the ball.
Yes, Okay, let's.
Stay in the big ten, and let's go with the team that is known for just having the most wild and invested fan base. University of Nebraska.
Oh, I think they spent some bread, bro. I'm gonna put them right around my Oregon Ducks, but slightly above. Let's go if Oregon was at three million, that's put them at like three point one.
Two point nine to one million dollars. You're pretty close. Okay, pretty close. All right, let's jump over to the sec where it just means more. Let's go big hitter right out of the gate. Let's go University of Georgia.
They are they are number one. O. They were number one last time we did this, but I do believe Texas probably trumped them because they did some wild stuff. So I'm gonna put them at number two at like, and you said the five million was an outlier, so let's go so I thought, so?
Okay, So I thought so I thought five million was an outlier, But I just clicked on University of Georgia's profile.
Okay, so Georgia. So then we will put Georgia at number two then, because I believe that Texas probably usurped them, with some ridiculous things that they did, especially with the arch manning recruitment. So we will go five point one.
All right, this is on me for giving you bad information. Seven point four to six million.
You get what though? Fuck? Seven million dollars?
Seven and a half?
Oh, what are they doing? Are everybody like Chip Kelly?
They must be? They must be a lobster right when you hop off the plane, a lobster when you get back on the plane. God, what are those what are those? Like those eggs?
Everything? They're only recruiting for the most part in like eight states that are bordering what like like the majority of recruits drive there.
So let's compare that. Then I'm gonna give you one more team from the SEC Alabama.
Okay, I'll give them the five point three.
Four point one million dollars.
Yeah, it's weird because Alabama is kind of fiscally a little more fiscally responsible because Nick Saban kind of recruited himself a little bit.
And also all that money went to Nick Saban and the boosters paying for his housing and his guest house, and you know, eleven million dollars worth five million dollars in perks because they knew they'd have to funnel that money into recruiting. M all right, let's go acc Let's go acc since we haven't done that yet. The big boys in the ACCU Miami first and then Clemson second.
Okay, Miami, I think that they blew the I think they blew the bag. They're well over for that. They're in the four million dollars range. Four and a half.
Well, we don't actually get to know anything.
Oh yeah, because it's a private school. Dammit, that was a trick question. I knew that. So Miami USC you're you're not going to know the answer to those.
We can speculate that it might be around Alabama level, maybe more.
Yes, correct, Yes, that's that's for sure. They christ Baul got the pocketbooks open over there. And I just want to point out his comment where he was talking, you see the trajectory of this team and this bro, you got a transfer quarterback, if you get a regular quarterback, you ain't Your trajectory ain't looking like this.
I'm just saying, yeah, no, came mord is responsible for at least three of those wins. Yes, now, and don't you know, and this was twenty twenty three, so whatever it is, in twenty twenty four. You gotta assume cam Ward took up a big jest. But let's go with Clemson. Clemson is the other like ACC Juggernaut. Now they don't do the portal, so this is just high school recruiting. What do you think Clemson's budget.
Was Clemson, Clinton spends money. They spend money recruiting. They are in that high four million dollar territory four point eight four million dollars. You nailed it, absolutely high as hell. Yes, because he like, we're gonna spend all the money on high school recruit we spend it no money on a portal.
Very true. Let's go one last one. You give me the school one that you think, one that you think is maybe a lot higher than people would realize.
TCU TCU, Yeah, all right, I think they're higher than I think TCU and not not not Baylor, but uh, I think TCU is higher than people would probably think.
TCU is another one of those that we don't get to know. I forget because they're there. Christian School, although you've got you had, Texas was in there last year, Oklahoma was in there last year.
I think Oklahoma spent less than people probably would.
Think Okay, you think Oklahoma is under four below Nebraska.
Nebraka below Oh no, no, no, no, no no, I think they're above Nebraska. But yeah they're under four million. I give them under three and a half million.
Okay, are you ready?
Yep?
Five point six.
I don't know shit, I don't know anything clearly, clearly. I'm I don't know. I don't know. I don't know anything clearly.
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Perfect. All right, h can you tell me about this Ross Dellinger article as it related to Pittsburgh.
Yeah, so pitt is seven and zero and when you get to this point in the season and you're undefeated, Uh, people start to wonder how did this happen? Narratives will get narratives will get spun. Uh. People want to know, right And Pat n er Dutsi's an interesting guy because he's been very outspoken on the portal on tampering. You know, he he didn't he had the opportunity to replace his oc with Brennan Marion. He didn't like him or his vibe and he said no, and and after not bringing in Brendan Marion, he had an offensive staff that he wasn't super impressed by. So ross Ellinger interviewed patn R Duty and the leadoff quote in this is is pretty wild. So the title of the article is howd pattern or Duty turn around Pitt nil cuts, tough conversations and an offensive overhaul. The lead quote from this is patn Er Duty said, shit, I have to clean house. Yeah, so he got rid of his entire offensive staff because they won three games. He said they had a structure where everyone was getting paid and that didn't work for us, so we changed it. That that's Chris Bigle, a tech entrepreneur in pitt Booster who founded the school's collective and donated twenty million of his own money. So he said, like we were paying everybody. Patn or Duty got rid of the offensive staff. They changed the way that they were compensating. And Patner Duty said, money's not what gets you a championship. If it did, all these teams that have spent all this freaking money would be good. Then he name dropped Florida State and Michigan has spending money and not winning. He said, I'd rather have hungry players. You want to know how he got from three to nine to now, that's how hungry players?
Bro, that is crazy. That is crazy that he actually said that. Now there's a lot of coaches who believe that, but actually saying it is diabolical.
Yep. And he brought in Cade Bell from Western Carolina with a motion, filled up tempo scheme, all purpose back, Desmond Reid obviously Eli Holstein from Alabama, and so you know, they changed up the system. And yeah, I mean that's you know, and some of these wins have been comeback, which is interesting. Do you feel like do you feel like because it's not like Pitt's been dominating, they've been winning, you get credit for winning. All that matters is the end result. I believe that. But the way in which they're winning. Do you get to go out and call out Florida State and Michigan when you do that?
No, No, when.
You're the back kid, when you're the cardiac Panthers.
Well listen, bro, you Pitt has not done enough, honestly at this point in time, to be calling out anybody. They got wins over Kent State, Cincy, West Virginia, Youngstown, a bad North Carolina, Team cal and Syracuse. That's what they got. They got the meet of this schedule coming up. They got SMU, Clemson, Louisville, Boston College, and Virginia. They could lose three games and finish the season eight and three. Yes, it'd be a huge turnaround. But that ain't enough to be talking shit.
But they did so, But it is. It is important. I think for a lot of the people who run collectives or affiliated with collectives that you can't just pay everyone correct.
And people panic when they're talking about money. They get like, oh my my god, this If we don't give a given more, he's gonna leave. Leave, Then FAM leave And I'm of that same cut from that same cost. Here is what we got for you. Here, Here is where you rank with the with the rest of our players. If you want to leave a good situation where we love you, you're utilize all of these things for an extra We're paying you five hundred thousand dollars. You want to leave for six twenty five and have a questionable situation, have at it, FAM, have at it, because we got to keep these things in line where how our highest players, our best players are making the most money. And then we tear down from there.
But how do you tell? How do you tell if somebody is about money and somebody's about process. I was listening to an interview the other day with jud Apatow, right, producer for all these major comedy films. He has no hobbies, he spends no money. He's like, the cool thing for me is if I if I want concert tickets, I can get them. That's cool for me. But he's he's probably got well over one hundred million dollars in the bank. He has nothing, He has no things that he like hones in on that, like money has changed his life. How do you tell when a kid is like, okay, with the fruit of their labor sitting in their bank account, but it's not going to make them softer? How do you tell?
You can tell by the way they work. You can literally tell by the way they work. There are some people when you give them a little bit of money, right, it changes the way they work it. And it's obvious to everybody who can see it. It's obvious. And and I've seen it many many times in the in the NFL, and you guys have seen it too, Ralph, there are players, how many times have you seen a dude get get paid and you're like, oh cool, Like like, for instance, let's look at T. J. Watt, who just signed one hundred million dollar deal like a year or two ago, good example. Has that changed anything? Do you do you believe that the organization even wondered like I wonder if this is gonna change change things?
No, but I bet you San Francisco forty nine ers wondered about Brandon Ayuk. You know, you've pointed out, even though you've pointed out that he what he did.
To get to this point was exactly what.
Yeah, like, but he was very in the contract renegotiation. He's very focused on the money.
Yes, yes, yours. When it's about the money, it's supposed to be about the money. There's time for play and there's a time for pay. But it's always obvious, Ralph when you give a kid to money, because you give him a little bit first, and then you're like, oh, okay, okay, I see this hasn't changed anything. Like, for instance, I would be terrified at this point in time, not of I mean, because he's nowhere near extension worthy well extension time, like he can't even get one for it until at least another two seasons. I would be terrified to give Malik Neighbors any money right now, despite how good he is. Terrified because he's a baller on the field. But he did stuff like not wearing the team issue gear when he was inactive, went to a concert when he was in concussion protocol, like just stuff like that and was kind of flippant about it. That scares me because if I now give you thirty million dollars a year and you know I'm married to you, now you'll be like ah. But he still has time to mature past that. But I'm just saying I'm cautious of that. I'm always because I'm gonna give you a little bit of something first test you out. Like, for instance, I know that there's a so here, here's a story. There's a kid on a current college football roster making seventy thousand dollars a month. He was in a classroom. Teacher was talking to him, didn't really have a positive experience, and he was like, bro, you can't say nothing to me. I make way more money than you do. Oh no. And now the kids are absolutely ball are on the field, but every now and then he does some he does some crazy stuff. So the question is though, and now that particular coaches like, nah, now it's time that it's time to get him up out of here, despite him being a baller.
Yeah, I think but that if if money is your true north, once you get it, what's your motivation? Right? So that's why that's why you don't see this with quarterbacks that often, because it's hard to be a poor quarterback and make it through junior high, high school, college and not you know, not have had the opportunities to go to camps. Now I've had the opportunities to. You know, it's kind of a privileged like being a quarterback is as close as you can get as being like a baseball player, like your parents have to have the the financial freedom and ability to get off work to go to six games in a week, right while you're a baseball So you know that a lot of quarterbacks, it kind of weeds itself out over time because they didn't really want for anything. So the ones who are about the process, they rise to the top. Not every other position on the football field is like that in my opinion. And so you know, a defensive lineman, you know, what are you gonna do? When you actually take that hunger away, that five thousand calorie day hunger goes away because they can afford it, you know what happens, And so I don't know, it's it's it's a really really interesting time. But for for Pat and our duty to say like, no, we're gonna you know, we're gonna focus on who's hungry, that doesn't always result in going from three to nine to seven and oh right away. Sometimes there's some growing pains.
That's a fact. All right. Now, let's get to the picks in the games this this weekend, and there's a bunch of games going on. We got the line has moved on somebody these games. But we will start with the Penn State hosting Ohio State nine am kickoffs. So we're gonna know the ending to this one easy. It started out as a four point spread last Sunday and now it's down to three for Ohio State. So that appears that Drew Aller is going to play four Penn Penn State. Who do you like in this game? Ralph?
I'm spooked by what USC did to to Penn State. I thought they were this impenetrable defense and maybe at home they will be but when I look at like talented skill position players, Ohio State is above USC not a quarterback everywhere else? Yeah, well debatable, right, There's those are two good quarterbacks yeah, Will and Will Yeah, better receivers, better running backs. And so I'm gonna take the buck Eyes.
I'm gonna take the Buckeyes too. I will believe Penn Steak can win this game. When Penn State wins this game. How far would you be willing to go? Because I think three is an easy take. It wasn't four at one point. How far would you be willing to go with this spread and still take the buck Eyes? A six, maybe five and probably five and a half. Probably five and a half is about as far as I would go?
How much hell is the losing coach gonna get in the media on Sunday Monday?
What do you mean, dude? It if if Ryan Day loses this football game, Ryan Day like his job is going to be on the line in that Indiana game. He will be fired if they lose. That is a if they lose to Penn State and then lose to Indiana, he has won one hundred percent getting fired because then they are going to miss the Codge football playoffs, he will be fire. They won't wait till the end of the season. They will wait till the brackets come out and then be like, ah, gone.
I just had the most insane thought. What dude, No one in the world had ever heard of what Chip Kelly did until he did it, leaving UCLA over five million dollars a year to go run an offense somewhere. What if he knew? What if he knew that by the end of the season he was gonna be the head coach of the Ohio State Buck guys.
But there's no way, There's no way, There's no way, because it would be his his offense that wasn't scoring that would have led them to losing though too, not against Oregon. It wasn't Yeah, true, true, they put up thirty one points.
Yeah, and then we talked about you know you I It was.
Like, and if they lose like thirty five, thirty eight in this game and then lose the Indiana game like forty two, forty forty five, that that could actually happen.
The biggest complaint for Ohio State fans right now is their defense. Yeah, they don't believe Ryan Day has the ear of his own defense of Larry Johnson and gymnoles.
M Ralph, I'll just go with interim interim. Yeah damn, that'd be crazy. Yeah. So, but so Ryan Ryan Day's gonna be under a massive heater, like he's going to be on an ejecto seat. It'll go from warm to ejecto seat if they lose to Penn State, because like it'll turn that Indiana game into an ejective, like like they will tarmac him if he loses both of these games. But then for James Franklin, he's not gonna be fired if he loses close game. He's been recruiting. Well, they're like he'll be under fire from the national media. But but Penn State fans are just gonna be like, look, we just need to make some tweaks, which is probably the most reasonable answer, right because Jim Harbaugh couldn't get it done until Jim Harball could get it done. Even though he had some help, he couldn't get it done until until then. So all of these expectations that your coach is gonna be in the playoff every single year when national championships and every like, people are down on Dabbo right now. They had a good run and maybe he can rekindle it at some point in point in time. But firing a great coach is silliness to me. A lot of a lot of times that you need an extended period where it's not happening. And Penn State, I think is actually in good shape with him. He's just got to figure out, you know, some explosive offense. If Pence they get some explosive offense, they are going to be able to beat anybody every single year.
Yeah, I mean they they They got to feel at this point like they're a playmaking quarterback away from having having a generational rut from being what Georgia has been.
Yep, yep, Old Miss at Arkansas. This game started out on Sunday as Arkansas plus six. Now it's up to seven and a half. I like Arkansas at seven and and at seven and a half because they've been losing games by one score games and that gives me. And it's not like Old Miss has just been out here just tearing the cover off of things. They yes, they beat up South Carolina bad, but then they lost to LSU and they beat Oklahoma, who's got no offense, by eight points. Arkansas can hang in this game, as long as they don't give up long touchdowns and force Old Miss to try to score in the red zone because they are terrible scoring in the red zone.
I personally feel like Ole Miss only has one problem one. What's that they can't finish? That's it. Otherwise you're the perfect football team to me. Really, Yeah, they're.
Their offense gets stagnant some sometimes where they they're not able to run the football. Lam Kiffin is always going to be able to put up yards passing like that, you're not gonna be able to stop.
But if you if you could design the perfect if you could design the football team with two things being top five in the Cuntree, two things being top five in the country, would you not pick passing game and uh and run defense?
Yeah?
Yeah, they're a top They're a top eight passing offense and a top like they're like the top run defense in the country, aren't they? They're top four scoring defense?
Yeah?
How do they have two losses.
Ralph because they've played Furman, Middle Tennessee State and Wake for Is, which they gave up a total of nine points. Too. They only gave up three in South Carolina. The data is.
Less about them, and it's more about but even in their losses, the data includes their losses passing yards.
And yeah, but they also get four free they got Furman Middle Tennessee State Wake in Georgia Southern. And then Kentucky's offense is bad too, yeah it's and Oklahoma's offense is bad. They haven't played any good offenses.
Okay, so then forget all that they have scored. They have stopped other people scoring. Let's go on talent alone. Does this bring us back to the hunger conversation? They did? They take away some people's hunger.
No. I think that they built a collection, that there's still a team that is jelling, that that they built a collection, that they built a roster and not a team, and that and now that Georgia game literally is probably for all the marbles, because if they have losses to Georgia, LSU and Kentucky on their roster, bro the the playoff could be toast.
I have to believe all miss can win by ten. I have to, and I know that I don't always have to. Yeah, I'm a writer die and sometimes I die, So we'll miss by ten.
All right. Oregon started out at fourteen and a half point favorites at Michigan. Now that line is the exact same. I got the Oh I didn't. I didn't even tell you the old Miss game. Oh I said, I got Arkansas. This time, I got the Ducks minus fourteen and a half. I would probably take this up to about seventeen.
Oregon's margin of victory is twenty one this year, and their competition has been pretty good, and that includes only the one point win over Ohio State. Right, So, I don't know what two quarterback systems from Michigan you think that could work.
Well, well, I don't think it can work, especially when you know that one of them ain't gonna throw the football. Alex Orgy's not throwing the football unless it's trying to surprise you. So when he comes in the game, you know it's going to be a run play or some sort of Trickim Dickham pass play. And when Davis Warren is in the game, you know it's like a regular offense. And if you can confuse him, he will throw you the football happily, or he will just hold on to it. This is an optimal scenario for Oregon as long as they don't turn the football over and it'll give him a good hostile road environment because Michigan's fans are going to be turned up hoping for an upset, and then about halftime things will settle down a little bit.
I worry that Dylan Gabriel turns the ball over a little too much. It's not that much, but it's like the only problem with the offense that exists.
Yeah, because he had those two weird picks in the end zone against Michigan State and then the pick six at UCLA.
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be a contrarian on this and I'm gonna say I'm gonna take Michigan. But I do believe it'll be four I'm like, right in there on that edge of that half point is what I'm counting on. I think a fourteen.
Point so the could be like thirteen or fourteen point win.
Yes, yes, And I because I keep thinking back to that drive that Michigan went on to beat USC Yeah, where they took ten minutes off the clock. If that happened once and that that kind of like. But I say, I would say no change. I would put my house on Oregon winning.
Yeah, I told I totally agree, totally agree with that, all right. We got Texas Tech plus fourteen and a half when it opened at Iowa State. That game is now down to thirteen, and I have for Iowa State. I don't understand this line, so I'm taking Texas Tech, uh, because this makes no sense to me. I do not understand. How like when you watch Iowa State, nothing about their offense says we can We can score a lot of points. So it's like, yes, their defense is good, but Texas Tech can can score. I don't understand. If UCF put up thirty five, Baylor put up twenty one, how are we thinking that this is gonna be a two score victory. I do not understand, Ralph, I.
Don't I Iowa State has not impressed me yet this year. They got a really good shot out of ten wins, and I'm rooting for it personally. I want to see it happen. You do, But yeah, I mean, it's like the Cubs winning the World Series. It's got nothing to do with me. It's my team wasn't playing in that World Series. So yeah, I want to see the streak ends, you know. Same with the Red Sox. I would love to see one hundred year streak.
In for well, one of us wants Texas Tech to win this game, and for a certain reason, even though totally out of the challenge.
True, true, that's the team you stole from me. Texas Tech winning makes ASU look better. I suppose I think that I don't know Iowa State could win this game. I just don't think they're as good as their seven and zero record. They don't they don't defend the run. They're passing defense, and they haven't played anybody they could pass, not a single team, not one yep. So that those numbers seem skewed to me. And while they move the ball on offense, they don't move the ball like keep up with somebody who's going to score forty yep. And yes, I am aware they just won a high scoring game. But correct, I don't know. This is way too big of a spread for me. Give me Texas Tech.
All right. We got Pittsburgh plus seven and a half at SMU. Now that line is still the same text SMU's favorite by seven and a half at home. Excuse me, not at pitt at SMU. I think that pitt Last week when they played Syracuse, it felt like that they were listening to Syracuse's calls pre snap and knew exactly what they were gonna do. It was the most unbelievable. I have never seen defense play like just perfectly every single play. And I think that they are going that Pitt that the glass slipper falls off this weekend. Is Kevin Jennings healthy?
Yeah, I think so.
Okay, that's SMU's quarterback. So if he's healthy, give me SMU.
I'm checking real quick. But then, why do you Kevin Jennings medically cleared for pitch down?
Yay, I'll take them seven and a half points, but I do think it's gonna be right on the custer. This is either gonna be a seven point win or a ten point win for SMU.
SMU did lose their best receiver.
No matter they come, a diamond doesn't.
And Kevin Jennings, if he is banged up, he does a lot of running. That could slow him down a little bit.
Mm hmm. I think Pitt's gonna come in overconfident after last game. They got the whole shark thing going. They think that hey they you know, they issue don't stink right right now, and they gonna catch that fade. They go catch it hell.
All right, Well, I'm I'm gonna give a piece offering to my least favorite online fan base, and I'm gonna pick pitt.
All right. Well, you guys, those are the picks for this weekend. And you guys, this is the Unafraid Show. Make sure that you guys like, subscribe, share, tell a friend about the college football apostles. I'm George Reiser, He's Ralph Amsdon peace out. Catch you guys next week