On this episode of College Football Apostles George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden air grievances about the SEC and Big Ten's takeover of the College Football playoff format.
The guys also get into Carson Beck and Hanna Cavinder's cars getting stolen, and what college athletes need to do to protect their assets. Plus, the cast of the first season of Last Chance U has decided to sue Netflix and others over their portrayal and compensation from the first season of the show- is it a cash grab or does the suit have merit?
Finally, George and Ralph talk about the Australian punter scandal, as well as Shedeur Sanders dropping new music ahead of the upcoming NFL Draft.
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Unafraid Show College Football Apostles. I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Emsden, and we got to talk today about the Big Ten and the SEC taking over the college football Playoff. Whether we like it, do we love it, or do we absolutely hate it? Carson Beck now is now a part of getting robbed. This has happened in professional athletics, but now it's happening to college athletes and people are blaming him for it. What Shadur Sanders the kid drops new music just ahead of the draft. Are we listening to it? And is it a banger? And of course there's a scandal going on, but this one is about assy punters and their place in football altogether and Last Chance You participants are suing Netflix. That and so much more here on The Unafraid Show's College Football Apostles. Make sure that you like, subscribe, get notifications, tell a friend about the show, and most importantly share. Let's get to it, Ralph, We're gonna start with the Big Ten and the SEC taking over the College Football Playoff. I could not hate this anymore. This goes against the spirit of college football. This goes against everything that we love about college football. And if you don't know what's happening, let me kind of give you the recap of it. So, starting in twenty twenty six, with the playoff expansion, the big ten in the SEC essentially negotiated their own backdoor deal that in twenty twenty six they get to be the lone people who decide what happens for the future of the playoffs in terms of expansion. Who gets in all of this stuff, Like, yes, they're supposedly is going to have to be a vote on it, but the way it's built that they're going to have the say so of what happens. And also there are changes that they want to make for twenty twenty five, which is that instead of the conference champions getting buys, that they go in order of rankings, that that who get the buys. We'll discuss that as well. But from twenty twenty six on, Ralph, this is everything that I hate about the game that I love, which is college football, which is the powers and the money dictating everything about it because the SEC is dangling is carried around. Hey guys, we'll play nine conference games. We'll play nine conference games, and we'll give you on top of that, On top of that, guys, for your additional one hundred million dollars, you we're gonna slash the price and give it to you for thirty three million, and we're gonna add in a scheduling agreement with the Big Ten. But the nine conference games is what you've been wanting. We're gonna give it to you. But in exchange for that, we need and expanded playoffs to not twelve, not fourteen, but sixteen games for you, sixteen teams for you the consumer, and all we want in return, it's just a minimum of four teams in. That's all we want. Let's expand the playoffs, not for the most merit based of teams to get in, but just so we make sure that we have enough teams in. We're gonna give you extra spots. You guys want expansion, We're gonna give you expansion, but we're not gonna give you. But in exchange for that expansion, we're actually we actually you want to take all the expanded spots. I hate this route.
Are you sure you hate it?
Yes? I hate it with the power of a thousand sons.
All right, I'm just making sure because you and I have a lot of conversations off air about boxing.
Okay, I'm nervous.
We have a lot of conversations, and you have told me quite a few times that you don't have a problem with the fact that Floyd Mayweather was so big. Did he got the handpick everybody? Did he got to hand pick the dates? This is the This is the to the to the rich, go the spoils, or whether to the victor go to spoils. You you get to the point where you can lobby enough for your own self interest and you can take over an entire organization and you can just use it to serve yourself.
Oh, I pArg you.
This is the thing you just described is everything I've complained about about Bob aram the Big ten and Floyd Mayweather the SEC for years, and you told me I was wrong, ral And now I hear you talking about college football kind of in the same way. I'm just wondering, did something change? Do you want to talk about box? I know it's college football puzzles, but I'm just wondering if you see the connection that I see.
Ralph. I'm going to use your example and raise your example, flip it on you, and you're gonna be like, God, dang, what I wasn't prepared for this for him to wiggle out of this box. All right, Ralph, So you bring up fantastic points about boxing. You are one hundred percent right. What has happened to boxing?
It's it's falling off. Like we all know two or three boxers.
Bingo bingo, bengo bongo. Do you know what's going on in the UFC, the other combat sport? The commissioner which college football needs, which I've active, which I've advocated for. The commissioner consistently puts up the best fights. He doesn't allow brinky dink bs scheduling like Ohio State did last year, like Georgia did the last time that they won a national championship, like Michigan did, where you are a power school and you play three gimmes, three layups, three nonpout and Power five or Power four conference teams in your non conference. So I love college football. I want college football to be the number one thing in the entire universe. But it won't happen with stuff like this. It is boxing, Ralph. It will go the same way as boxing. If you let the powers that be control and disseminate everything, all you're going to get is Big ten Champion, SEC Champion, Big ten Champion SEC Big ten, Big ten, Big ten, SCC, SCCSCC ACC, Big twelve will never win a championship again because and this is the problem with college football route is that there is a hoarding of power and it is not for the benefit of the sport. It is for the benefit of those of the people in power. This is no different than what is going on in the world today and life any of that is. That's the thing, honestly, that makes the CAP the NFL so great. The Dallas Cowboys are by far the most valuable franchise. They have no better chance of winning than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or the or the Green Bay Packers, who have no true owner. The fans own the team, but they don't even get an equity split. There's no rouph. There is no team in the NFL that has no hope besides the Chicago Bears, and it's their own fault. And in college football, the fact that you have teams with no hope and now with the Big ten in SEC taken over, there is no hope for anybody else. It is the disaster. This will ruin the sport of college football, Did I wiggle out of the box good enough for you?
I think you made a lot of really good points. I think what I was looking for was like something that rhymes with mouth, was flight about that. The conversation will continue at a later date, all right.
So I do not think that this is good for anybody. This is why college football needs a commissioner, because college football needs parody. And you're listening to this from somebody whose team does not operate in parody at all. My Oregon Ducks are. They have pushed their way into the upper echelon of college football with money, with access, with winning, with like a combination of all of them. Right, it is take what Iowa State has done right, and you add it because they've done an excellent job building a program, everything else. That's what Oregon did, except for you add in Nike, a lot of marketing, a cool factor, like all of the things that Iowa does not have, Oregon has. So they've done the football part and they've done the marketing part. So that's like put throwing gasoline on a fire. So you're I'm saying this as somebody who has benefited from this, And yes, I do know that what I'm asking for means that sometimes some periods, Oregon's gonna have a rough spot. I believe that that is better for the world of college football, that Vanderbilt may win a championship or Rutgers may win a championship than the direction that it's going.
I understand, I understand what you're saying, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. But part of this negotiation right now, there is some logic to receding.
Yes, I don't. I got no problem with tweaking the system. Like with tweaking the.
My issue with receding is it that it ignores that probably just seating is broken because so much much of it is based on what somebody feels about a team going into the preseason. And if you have a team go eleven and one that didn't have a lot of respect and doesn't have a schedule that a lot of people respect, and you have a team that everyone expected to go eleven and one go eleven and one those two teams don't play each other, then it's very natural for us to say team we expected to be great is much better, deserves to be ranked much higher. And that's because we do have a committee system. When it comes to the rankings, I almost wish that and it's never really talked about, but one of the drastic changes that would be made to college football is it's fine and dandy to have AP rankings, but there should be a ranking structure that drops like six weeks into the season that is the actual one that we go by. That's all because it so much of it has to do with what you talked about, the branding, the mar ma, getting the expectations. In the same way that you tell people they have to lobby for the Heisman. A lot of work for what people think of you going into next season is done the season before the season before that.
This is why the Unafraid Show college football rankings are the best rankings on the planet, because yes, we come out with a preseason poll, but then what what happens as new information comes and in the beginning of the season, what do what do people say about the pole in the beginning of the season? Ralph likes week one, week two, week week three meaningless? Yeah, what what what the the Unaffraid Show rankings? They're like, oh, those are crazy? What are you talking about?
How they're comparing it to what they know and and they're comparing it to expectations and Vegas odds and everything like that. All you can really deal with is how a team plays and looks and the time capital of the season.
We're in, yes, and when in if Ohio State or Alabama or Georgia or Clemson or any other name brand team starts out the season with three layup games, Like, you don't play a Power five given I don't care if you win by eighty points a game, You're not going to be number one in the post. Just not, especially when other teams have beaten Power four teams that should not be so. And this is the problem with the voting is that it is based upon like they're projecting out what they think they're like, they beat them by seventy five points three weeks in a in a row. Yes, they didn't play any any teams that were competition for them, but they're ranked high into recruiting rankings. This team we know is gonna be good, and yes, they may be good, but you should not be ranking them at a particular spot until they have proven that they should be there.
I'm with you one hundred percent. There was a time last year when a five and six Kansas legitimately was one of the best twenty five teams in the country, but they were five and six, and so, like, you should have a system that kind of looks at where somebody's at. You brought up UFC. They have that. You know, there's a fighter that I followed in the UFC. His name is Matt Brown, and he would consistently be ranked amongst one of the best competitors in the entire UFC, even though his lifetime record was like eighteen and seventeen, because he's being judged based on like what he's capable of right now, yeah, right, And so like, there's some teams genuinely in November Kansas was one of the top twenty five teams in the country. And we know this because they beat three top twenty five in the country. And so you should you should be able to look at things like that. But it's hard. It's hard for college football to get out of what it's always been, which is reputation and expectation.
And people are not going to put their jobs at risk. Think about if you're Tony Pettiti with the Big Ten, if you're a Greg Sankie at the SEC, not only will your job potentially vanish, but your job will become less powerful. Even if it doesn't vanish, your job will become significantly less powerful. You will have less staff, less influence, all of that stuff, and nobody's going to volunteer for that. That's why you have to have This is where the presidents of the universities have to be above the athletic directors, above the coaches, above the commitment like that. Those are the people that hire the commissioners. They have to be academic people at that point in time and say, hmm, I know that we don't understand what's best for sports on a regular, you know, intricate basis, but we do believe because because there are more have notts than are our halves. In college football, there are more have nots, as in teams that can win a national cannot win a national championship versus teams that can win a national championship. And these are in power conferences too. So if you are those teams, why would you not say we need a place where we can be competitive and not a place where we can just make the most money. Because you can make the most money and have no shot. Rutgers has no shot of winning a national championship any time. If the current system stays the same and there is a perject that will not happen. And we got a video coming out talking about that twenty and a half million dollars because people have rouph foolishly believed that this twenty and a half million dollar salary cap for college football is actually a real thing. It reminds me of the Wolf of Wall Street when Matthew McConaughey is sitting there, like in there at the dinner. He's like, he was like, it's for gazy, it's for gatzi. It doesn't exist. It's vapor doesn't exist. Because the schools are going to, like Georgia just said, they're keeping their nil collective for third party deals, so they are going to and what schools are going to do, They are going to skate by with the Title nine stuff because instead of paying Carson back well over a million dollars like they did last year, they'll pay Carson back from the collective, I mean from the school like two hundred thousand dollars and then pay other people twenty five and twenty five and then put a lot more of that money into tennis, into basketball, into rowing into all of that stuff and then have the nil continue to collective, continue to do the heavy lifting. Yep, yep, grow up, Peter Pan sisten this this is not h and I hate to be the bear of bad news, but this is fake This is fake news. This is disinformation, This is disingenuine. This is not honest. And a lot of people don't want to say the quiet part out loud, but this is why you come to the Unafraid Show, because you're one of us and we are unafraid.
What's the So, what's the boogeyman here? As I always do this in my house. That's a big thing is when anybody is worrying, I always say, what's the what's the worst case scenario? Let's name it. Let's name it so we know what to prepare for. Is the worst case scenario? The Big twelve in ACC are like, all right, well then we're just not going to schedule you guys. Yeah, yeah, you with a completely fractured system. Yeah, Big twelve ACC because like there's still teams in the ACC trying to leave. Yes, yeah, North Carolina University of North Carolina is shelling a little bit of money here and there away every month for like legal.
Fees, Ralph. And then think about this, right with the ACC and the Big Twelve, the Big Ten, and the SEC want to do away with the buys right for conference champions that will never happen for twenty twenty five because that creates an additional eight million dollars for those schools. So Boise State their conference Mount West got an additional eight million dollars. Same thing with the Big Twelve, Same thing with the Oh sorry sorry but yeah, yeah, the Big Twelve with Arizona State, so they got an additional eight million dollars by getting passed through to the second round of the playoff. Why would you give that up when you know you're gonna get screwed on the back end.
Oh of course, yeah. And I mean and there's other stuff going on too that only benefits certain schools. So like Alabama and Georgia both passed legislation that nil money collected by oh it's not tax college athletes doesn't isn't subject to state tax. Illinois is trying to pass a bill like that right now as well. And the only reason that the state of Illinois is trying to pass a bill like that is the guy that introduced the bill is a graduate of University of Alabama, so he gets it right. He's trying, he's trying to help out the state, the state of Illinois. But it's that there will there will always be some level of advantage to certain schools. But I don't understand why those schools have Conference commissioners walking around like they're the ones that are disadvantaged, or they're the ones that are getting screwed, or they're the ones that need extra protection. No, you just have the resources to look out for yourself. The SEC and the Big Ten are not getting screwed out of anything. And if they have it bad anywhere, that means other people have it worse.
No one should be.
Worried about the SEC or the Big Ten for any reason.
Exactly. Yep, yep, you are right, bro that that that's it's gross. Speaking of getting getting screwed, Carson Beck and his girlfriend, who's it? Libby done?
No, no, no, Libby dune is uh. I believe I believe he's dating one of the.
Cast the Cavendar Twins.
Yes, yeah, yeah, maybe Haley out of Gilbert, Arizona. Shout out the Cavendar.
There there we go, bulldogs so we got something about this. Uh, you guys can go check yesterday's Unafraid Show Daily Live to hear about the other athletes that have been robbed. Well, Carson Beck and the Cavendar twin that he's with have now joined that list of Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, people from the Milwaukee Bucks, all athletes all over the place are being robbed by these by these gang rings. And we're talking about Chilean gangs, other gangs from other places, and just people just robbing their houses in general. I remember that there was a time route where athletes were protected people in the community where if you killed an athlete or something like it was it was a no no like gangs in terms of like they knew, like stay away from these people, bro, Like it's going to cost too much heat, you're gonna get investigations, then it's gonna bother our organizations stay away from not even just athletes, but all high profile people. Right. And there's still an element of that in terms of organizations, right, but individual people no longer have that same respect. And especially if you're you know, like you know, like this ain't your game or nothing, they're like this is opportunity, and Travis Kelsey and uh and Patrick Mahomes are not people that are like super showy, right, like they're they're not running around looking like mister t with thirty gold chains on, and or like Floyd Mayweather where he flaunts his wealth like that's not it and where like a fifty cent lyric he talks about somebody get getting robbed and he's like, that's what you get for stunting on my block show off. And so Carson Beck and his girlfriend there, they just had three cars stolen, right A Carson Beck had what his Lamborghini and what a Ben stolen?
And uh yeah, and a Mercedes. And I believe he had three cars stolen. One was found and we had heard about his his first vehicle, the Lamborghini while he was at Georgia. And it's very possible that some of these are leases, not necessarily cars that he owns. But yeah, and then it's Hannah Cavendar, not Haley my apologies, but Hannah Cavender is somebody who you know Carson Beck. Most people know Carson Beck from his time as Georgia's starting quarterback. He's not he's not really on socials in the way that Hannah and Haley Cavender are.
No.
Hannah Cavender has a million followers on Instagram, probably more on TikTok, yes, like a million. And there's also just a Cavender Twins account that has another four hundred thousand followers, and her sister's got like a million two. So like they are, they are a walking billboard. And now that one of the most famous college quarterbacks is dating one of the most famous college basketball players, they make content together, and so they're you gotta understand because I think a lot of people are not going to feel sorry for people with money who get robbed. That's just how it is. Like, yeah, and I don't think anybody should. I don't think anybody should feel sorry for them. I do think that people should say, like, ah, that's not I think that they should say, that's not a thing I want happening in my country. You know, just people run around committing larceny or grand theft or anything like that, and it can be dangerous. We have the Sean Taylor situation, right. I think that people should be able to look at that and say, like, ay, as an American, even if you have more stuff than somebody else. You deserve to have that protection. You deserve to feel.
Safe, safety and that peace of mind that I can just sit in my house or go to the go to the damn grocery store, and or go out of town to go play a game, and my issue is gonna be there when I get back.
Yeah, but for every one athlete that gets robbed, ninety nine work trucks are getting their catalytic converters jacked in the middle of their driveway. Like we got a massive issue in this country of people just stealing shit, right, and now we have these like Chilean gang, Central American gangs coming here. They don't care. This isn't their community, this isn't their athletes that they need to protect. And so you know, they're going around breaking into Joe Burrow's house and posing in Chief's gear, you know, which is what you talked about on that video, Like these guys are just going around taking jewelry, taking cars and stuff like that, and you say, like, all right, well you got to be a little bit less flashy on social media. The problem for collegiate athletes is they're supposed to be It's the point of the nil benefits that they get is that they capitalize on their skill set and popularity to be a walking billboard for capitalism. The whole point of Carson Beck having these cars is to convince you that you need one too.
Yep. That's literally the wrong people.
And they're going and getting there.
Hey, you know what, you're you're right cars. I do need that car, and and I mean that car, not not I need that style of car. No, no, no, I need that car. I'm going to go get that one from you.
And I feel bad because these college town like well, Miami not a college town, Coral Gable's not not known as a college town. But you know that when you are a walking billboard for capitalism and you're not necessarily flashing your well, but you got to show your stuff off. You're expected to be a commercial for the stuff that you've been entrusted with. So when you're doing that and you got like people got to get smart. You should post the day after you're in a place, yep, because that's what that's.
Why I do that now. I do that now on some level where I later post a lot. Yes, yeah, if I if I'm out of town, usually not posted about it until I get back from out of town.
Do you should see how horrified my wife was when I explained to her what Florida's basketball coach was being investigated for, which is using location settings to uh to be in the same area as some young college co eds. Now I think he was not found responsible for way what oh you didn't. Okay, So University of Florida, which is like a top ten team this year, they're basketball coach, was investigated for using Instagram's location settings to be in the same place at the same time as some top tier co eds at University of Florida, and the student newspaper broke that he was under investigation for it. I think ultimately he was found innocent. But I'm explaining this to my wife and she's like, wait, you can do what.
Wait that's what I'm thinking. You can do what? Hold on, let me go on my Instagram right right?
Wait, okay, so I'm about to create some stalkers. So if you do not use this information for nefarious purposes, use it to protect yourself, use to protect your family. That's my disclaimer. So when you are on Instagram, okay, and you let's say you're looking at somebody's stories and they're a famous person. Okay, And let's say that they're at Dave and Busters and they location tag David Busters. If you tap on that location, you can view anybody who tagged themselves in Davenbuster's stories, or if it's somebody at the Grand Canyon, or if it's somebody Yellowstone National Park, or if it's somebody at a Louis Vuitton store. So like with my kids, every once in a while, I tag the town that I live in, like when I'm out at a park or something like that, like, oh, it's great to live in ex town. Right. If somebody follows me and then click on that location, it'll bring up the story, it'll bring up the posts of anybody who posted geo tagged from that location, and it'll bring up any of the public stories. So athletes are incentivized to not lock their accounts down, not privatize their accounts down. So if an athlete is in a movie theater and they location tag that movie theater, if they have an NIL deal, if they post it while they're there, then someone's gonna know one of two things, where they're at and where they're not at. And that's what these games have been using, is not the information of where you're at, but where you're not at. They broke into Joe Burrow's home when he was playing.
They broke because you because you are one hundred sure Joe Burrow and probably everybody associated with the business of Joe Burrow is at their state, especially if it's a home game.
Yes, and a lot of NFL players they'll have like security or they'll have video feeds or something like that. And that's how some of these guys got caught. Maybe they didn't have security at their home. Joe Burrow had a woman at his house.
Story.
But yeah, but for these college kids, a lot of them don't have security, you know. And so and if you have money and you're in college and you're not a freshman anymore, you're sophomore or beyond, you're probably in off campus housing. So not only you have to worry about like, hey, what friends are you bringing around, you got to worry about when when everybody knows your schedule. And if you're an SEC player and you play for Georgia and you're on the road at Mississippi State and you live in off campus housing, what's the stop one of these roving gangs from coming to Athens going to off campus housing posing as a gardener because that's what they've done, posing is a delivery man because that's what they've done, and going in and jacking your chain or your grill or your whip like whatever, there's not And so the NFL issued a memo the NCAA is probably going to have to do the same soon to just like, hey, not only you have money, you're advertising that you have money. Your schedule is online, it's not hard to find out where you live. You got to protect your assets.
And here's a pro tip for everybody, regardless whether you're athlete, anybody. Everybody knows that they should get home. Okay, So regardless of whether you are a college athlete or just a regular person. Pro tip here, get Renter's insurance. It is extremely cheap, extremely cheap, but it was the best piece of advice I got when I was a college Like, you're probably gonna be paying like twelve bucks a month. I know you're a poor college college student. Or if you're just a regular person and you don't feel like I don't really have anything valuable, listen, pay your twelve bucks a month. Pay something happens. Execute your insurance because it'll save you the pain and heartache of that. So from my uncle George to you.
Guys, find out find any mom and pop insurers in your area, go to them and see if you can exchange the rate of Renters insurance for representing their company.
Like, this is dang it, Ralph, you know how just thought.
About starting an insurance company.
My kid doesn't have Renters insurance right now, I gotta got hold on. We got to stop this damn show to make sure boy gets some damn Renter's insurance right now.
I learned the hard way, man. I got carjacked in twenty sixteen and all my camera equipment was in my car. And I got a check from the insurance company for the car, and I was like, well what about my camera? And they were like, that's Renters insurance and I didn't have it.
Yep.
So I was out two thousand bucks.
Yep. All right. Next thing up, lawsuits are happening, So there the last chance you participants are suing Netflix. Ralph has this story.
I do. I don't know how I feel about it, and I'm really curious to get your take. I'm gonna read the Zach Barnett article from football scoop because it was the most in depth one that I could find right now. And so here we go. Six members of East Mississippi Community College, the football team that was the subject of the first two seasons of the hit Netflix series Last Chance You have fought the lawsuit against the streaming giant, the school, Condon Entertainment, the show's director, and the NJCAA over their portrayal in the series and their lack of compensation for what they say was forced participation. And I think that's the most interesting part of this lawsuit because they're alleging that their reputation took a hit, that they're having a hard time getting jobs now, and ultimately that they were not fairly compensated. But the thing that they think is like the thing that would win them a settlement in this lawsuit is I guess they're claiming that if they had not agreed to be part of the TV show, that they would have been kicked off the team. So the players, you might recognize some of the names, John Franklin, IID okay, Ronald Allie. Oh we're talking football, Yeah yeah, last time to the East Mississippi seasons the first two years. Okay, I think Ronald Allie was probably one of the big stars of the show, and then John Franklin the third had been a bounce back from Auburn, or he might have ended up at Auburn, but they both hit the NFL. But other people, Tim Bonner, Isaiah Wright, DeAndre Johnson, CJ. Reveis they are all in on this lawsuit, and what they're saying is they weren't given the proper amount of time to review the contracts that they signed. They were threatened with being expelled from the team if they didn't participate on the show and they didn't receive a cut of the merchandise at the community called sold following the show and right, Ollie and Franklin also alleged that their reputations were damaged after being portrayed in a false light. I don't know if you remember this, but I think Ronald Ollie is the one who straight up asked a college coach to pay him under the table on camera.
Yeah.
So, but as far as their reputations being damaged, last chance you the entire premise of the show was that these are all players with like limited capital as far as their reputation goes.
Yeah, or that they you know, academically struggled, had some families like anything. So first of all, the reputation thing absolutely not. Now they do have. Now you can be edited a certain way where you look like a jerk. Right, Oh yeah, so I understand how TV works and all of that stuff, so that can absolutely happen. But here is where I do think that they are that they may have some grievance, not necessarily legally, but especially for the first season of Last Chance You, because this is how it works in reality television. Your first season. So I go, let's say that you start out on the Housewives franchise. You're gonna be paid about ten thousand dollars per episode. Like this is real life stuff like this is not made up. This is for like a regular jointee, not in for celebrity joints, Like if a regular person joints, You're gonna be paid about ten thousand dollars an episode. If you get picked up the next season, you're gonna be making about twenty thousand dollars an episode. Third season, you're gonna be making about one hundred thousand plus per episode. You can be making up to a million dollars per episode if you are if you turn into one of the most popular people on the show. And with Last Chance You being that these players weren't on for multiple seasons, it was the franchise that grew. So no, you weren't gonna be paid a lot your first season because it's essentially a trial and you don't make money from it like that. And the people that made it didn't make money like that from the first season. They made more money the second season. And I bet you they paid the players more the second season. So that's kind of how it works. And this is probably why we're not seeing Last Chance You anymore right now? Is wait? Good?
This is this is twenty fifteen team twenty sixteen. I know, were the players even allowed to be compensated, wouldn't that have affected their eligibility?
Ooh, that's a good point, Ralph, that's a good point, and exactly, And and I would imagine there had to be some legal restrictions on this because you couldn't use your nil or anything. So like, yes, I would, being that you brought up that point, I need my coins, I do, I do.
Okay, So I was gonna save this for last but I want you to guess what do you think the monetary ask is from this group of players and their legal representation.
Oh shit, bro, it's something outrageous.
Oh, thirty million, thirty million.
Dollars for for how many people.
Six for just the twenty fifteen season of the show.
Yeah all right, yeah, yeah, I get it.
There is that. I mean, they're just asking for a settlement or they're trying to create a situation with Discovery where they have to turn over the financials.
Yeah, show the figure out what actually they were going to ask for a number that Like when when people want money from lawsuits and all that stuff, they don't ask for the amount of money they actually want. They ask for the amount of money that will make you settle for like three million dollars and they'll be like, okay, we'll we'll all take three hundred thousand and go away. Yeah.
What I wonder about is if their ability to even reach any type of settlement will be limited by the fact that all of these players have probably given ten dozen interviews on their experience with Last Chance You, and my guess is most of them talked about it in a semi positive light.
Yeah.
Yeah, I've never heard anything about the players from Last Chance you talking about it publicly being a negative experience until right now. So my guess is probably in the best interest of one of these parties because they named Netflix. I mean, so I've been sued before. I've been sued before, and the person who sued me named Yahoo in the lawsuit.
Are you serious?
Yeah, like like Yahoo dot com, like the billion dollar company, because they figured like somebody would just want to be like, all right, go away.
Yeah.
It was ultimately dropped, But my guess is naming Netflix. Condon asked all these people, is this a pretty wide ranging money grab situation? Because at the end of the day, lawyer is going to take half. Governments can take half of that. So you get your thirty million. You're talking about maybe one point five take home for each of these six players.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. There's no way they're getting thirty million. There's no way they're getting millions from this. It didn't take thirty million dollars to make them. Like here's the thing that people don't understand about Netflix stuff. Is that Netflix. So like, let's say I make last chance you Netflix pays me a fee to license it to them, or they outright by it. It wasn't gonna be for thirty million dollars. That's what I'm saying, Like, there's no way that there was a uh.
Well, no show on Earth unless it comes with a big director and a big actor and it's like ordered by the actual streaming service. The concept is ordered, not the actual show. Nobody makes money in season one, Yeah, exactly. So they're asking for money from seasons two through five plus the basketball ones. Yeah for what happened in season one.
Yes, ain't no way. Yeah yeah, all right. The next thing up, mister Ralph, this one. I don't think that people thought that this was going to do. Yeah, I don't think that this is what people wanted to do. Well when they voted for President Trump and they knew that that you were going to be kicking people out of the country. I don't think that they meant because because you've seen those those dudes that that they've been they've been going to the website of people who've been detained by Ice and they're like, hold on, hold up, no, no, no, not her, send her back, she can she can stay.
That's my nanny from Uruguay.
Yeah, and the other ones are like no, no, no, no, not the not the punters. Who the hell are we gonna have put the damn football. So punters are having their what their visas and work stuff like all jacked up now, so some of them may end up having to leave.
Yes, that so that's part of That's part of what's happening right now, is that, like, if you are importing labor of any kind, including college football, things are going to get a little more difficult than than they've been in the past. But the real thing going on right now with with the Australia to America punter pipeline is that some of these dudes already went to college, which means their eligibility clock already started. So the the scandal isn't so much the idea that we're not going to be able to import talent. The scandal is that some of these teams that imported talent and got guys that were completely out of eligibility. So there was a seven month investigation conducted by Fox twenty nine in San Antonio, a local television station in San Antonio, Texas. They investigated the pipeline for kickers and punters from Australia into college football programs and they ended up finding out that, like some of these guys, they were lied about, you know, like the way that some handlers lie about a minor league baseball player's age.
Yes, they were.
Lied about about whether or not they actually started university in Australia. Because some of these Australian punters they are like twenty eight thirty years old.
Yes, yeah, yeah, these are grown as punters and they're getting groomed out there. So here, here's the thing, Ralph, is that people don't always factor in that all of that, the political things out in the world are going to factor into their their sports. I want an Australia, I want a I want a good punter at Oregon, and I want a good punt if I were an NFL, if I had an NFL team like that, I want the best punter available. And if they got to come from Australia, so be it, let him in. I will lobby on that individual person's behalf. But that's the issue, is that people want these individual exceptions for the things that matter most in their life, and that's not how it works. Be Like I love my nanny from like like like you said, I love my nanny from Uruguay. She's a good person and all this stuff, and there's been so much disinformation and misinformation talking about these that undocumented people. They're like, oh my god, they're sucking from the and this is this, and yes there are people from here and there, from other countries that are sucking from the system. But the reality is they paid over ninety billion dollars in taxes last year.
What I'm just saying so at the heart of this is an organization called Pro Kick Australia. So just give you a couple of examples of some of the stuff that they've done, pretty run of the mill fraud. In one case, an athlete's real transcript from Australian school showed failing grades. However the transcript submitted for NCAA eligibility had significantly higher grades. There's one student that that I think had this said. There was a kid that actually outed himself. They sat down, he sat down with his advisor and said, you need to take these classes in these classes, and the guy responded, I already took that at university. And the college was like, what you've already gone to college.
Bro, No, no, no, oh my mm hmm, just keep your mouth shut. Fam.
So I guess one of the complaints was I bet you anything. I bet you anything. Because it's very weird that a television station in San Antonio is the one that uncovered an international scandal. My guess is somebody who is a punter handler in the United States tipped off, like handed, everything that these reporters need directly to.
Yeah, they're like like the John Carney kicking school or something. It's like, you ain't gonna keep messing up our players.
Get Yeah the hell, I'm gonna read you a quote from the story, right, So there's a guy named Mike McCabe, and my guess is Mike McCabe was maybe known to this reporter before they started the investigation, because here's a quote that Mike McCabe gave. Renowned Special Teams coach Mike mccaby voiced frustration over pro Kicks recruitment practices and their impact on the US market. The punting market in the United States has dropped fifty four percent, said Mike McCabe.
H what the punting market. But okay, I.
Guess just guys you get from the United States.
Yeah, or just the amount of scholarships that have gone to people from foreign you know, foreign born.
Yeah, yes, this is this is literal like they took our jobs. Yes right, this isn't like jobs Americans don't want to do.
No, this is jobs Americans do want to do. Other people are just doing them better.
Yeah. This isn't this isn't picking, it's kicking. So yeah, anyway, shout out to everybody who's got a fraudulent thirty two year old Australian punter. I want one all right anyway. Oregon punts like three times every four games.
Hey, when you and you need them, you need them just like kickers. Chaudre Sanders has dropped some new music. Why do you seem exasperated? Why are you mad at the quarterbacks? Why are you mad at Why are you mad at you?
I'm mad at myself? Why I'm mad? Because when I hear new Chadors Sanders music just dropped. When I hear that sentence, there's like there's like a boomer Republican in me, Like it just wants to come out.
It's like raw, it's perfect time.
Yeah, I don't know what it is.
Let me see you do to shador man. Let me see you do the shr door.
You see him up close and to the student body. Okay, So I don't know what it is. Uh, it doesn't bother me. I love my kids, musicians, my wife's musician. It doesn't really take anything away from your life to be involved in in music. It's it's great. It's a good thing. Uh Leangelo Ball just got got some money for for dropping a hit. Ye I cover Arizona State. I mean Edmund Boutang, Calin Blage, Manny Wilkins, Samson, Sakachi, Levi Sterling, all guys who put on a helmet for Arizona State. They went in to do music after football. It does It doesn't bother me at all. I still remember that terrible, terrible music that Kobe Bryant was dropping early in his career. Wow, that never bothered me.
Yea.
I guess it's just that we're like, we're inching up on the draft and I'm pre exhausted by some of the stuff that's going to be said about snort Sanders.
Listen, I can't wait. I'm actually starting to feel like Cam Wored's gonna be the number one pick. But that's for where I feel the momentum is going. But that's whole other thing. But you guys, though that is unafraid show college football apostles.
Give an opinion. I'm just the angry white guy at the end of the podcast.
Listen, I'm just not a fan of bad music. So you know, one of those if you don't.
Have anything nice to say, you're not gonna say anything at all.
Yeah, man, listen, listen. I hope his music reaches its target audience.
If your son. If your son, what if he gets the starting job at UC Davis and like three games in he's playing, Well, he comes to you and he's like, I got studio time. What would you say to your own kid?
Oh, I'd be like Doug. He's he's already making music in his free time. So I I'm dead serious. He's he's like engineering, like uh beats and making beats and all of this stuff, and it's in its free time. So like, yes, Ralph, I'm going to have nothing to say except for play me my theme music.
Okay. Well, what if his lyrics were about his Maybok or whatever.
Oh? Oh, he knows that I am not a garbage lyrics guy. He knows I will straight up to him. Son. The beats amazing, I mean, but I don't think he wants to be a rapper, Like I don't think he wants to be a musician in that way. Like I think he really likes making beats and all of that stuff. So just make a beats, sell them, sell them for a lot. But but if his lyrics were trash, I would tell him. I'd be like, son, have something to say, read read a damn book.
All right, now that I got you on record, you can end the show.
All right, you guys, I'm George Rice or he's Ralph Ampson College Football Pozzles. Peace out, Catch you guys. Next episode.