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Beware the man who tells you that his life is drama free after a breakup. They are the type of man or women who treat their partner terribly. They make them paranoid, they undermine them, They foster very bizarre behavior and guess what the partner does start acting weird because you're cheating on them.

Beware the man who tells you that his life is drama free after a breakup. They are the type of man or women who treat their partner terribly. They make them paranoid, they undermine them, They foster very bizarre behavior and guess what the partner does start acting weird because you're cheating on them.

Right, Hello, and welcome to Momma Mia. Out loud, well women are actually talking about. On Wednesday, the twenty sixth of March, I'm Holly.

Right, Hello, and welcome to Momma Mia. Out loud, well women are actually talking about. On Wednesday, the twenty sixth of March, I'm Holly.

Wayne Wright, I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm Amelia Luster filling in for Mere today.

Wayne Wright, I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm Amelia Luster filling in for Mere today.

You can't get rid of you, Amelia and I like it on the show today. You can now buy the exact skinny jeans that Meg Sussex was dancing around her kitchen in when she was making her non jam on her TV show. The good news is if you do, Megan gets sixteen dollars eighty in her bank account from you. Welcome to the world of celebrity links. Also, why where You Work? Is the New Australian political battleground and can you make yourself lucky? Have you heard of lucky girl syndrome? Apparently being delusional is the key to getting absolutely anything you want. But first, Jesse.

You can't get rid of you, Amelia and I like it on the show today. You can now buy the exact skinny jeans that Meg Sussex was dancing around her kitchen in when she was making her non jam on her TV show. The good news is if you do, Megan gets sixteen dollars eighty in her bank account from you. Welcome to the world of celebrity links. Also, why where You Work? Is the New Australian political battleground and can you make yourself lucky? Have you heard of lucky girl syndrome? Apparently being delusional is the key to getting absolutely anything you want. But first, Jesse.

In case you missed it, yesterday Treasurer Jim Chalmers handed down the twenty twenty five twenty twenty six federal budget. Now, this was the budget that was never meant to happen, and it might not actually be implemented. Given this government could be voted out in a matter of weeks. It was widely presumed. Remember that Albanezi would call an election before the budget was due on the twenty fifth. But then cyclone Alfred meant a delay, and here we are with what feels like a bit of a hypothetical budget. Nonetheless, here are the headlines. All right, Three things. First thing, boost in Medicare seven point nine billion dollars has been committed to, making nine out of ten GP visits bulk billed by twenty thirty. I think we can all acknowledge that bulk billing disappeared under our noses. Second thing, energy relief one hundred and fifty bucks wiped from your energy bill through to December. And the third thing, childcare. Maybe this is just me and my own interest, but hey, i'd ever said I was a political journal I guaranteed eligibility for at least three days a week of subsidized childcare. Most of what was announced we already knew. So if you feel like none of this is surprising, you're right. But you might see some headlines around today because for the first time, thirteen content creators attended the federal budget lockup, which is usually reserved for political journalists. On the one hand, you've got the critics saying, how about the methodology of interpreting the budget of impartiality? And on the other hand, you've got people saying, aren't these some of the country's most powerful and influential communicators. If you want your budget delivered to a gen Z audience, the newspaper probably isn't the way to go. I say, I'm bowing down to anyone who wants to spend six hours in a locked room with budget papers. What are you two thinking? Are you jealous you weren't invited.

In case you missed it, yesterday Treasurer Jim Chalmers handed down the twenty twenty five twenty twenty six federal budget. Now, this was the budget that was never meant to happen, and it might not actually be implemented. Given this government could be voted out in a matter of weeks. It was widely presumed. Remember that Albanezi would call an election before the budget was due on the twenty fifth. But then cyclone Alfred meant a delay, and here we are with what feels like a bit of a hypothetical budget. Nonetheless, here are the headlines. All right, Three things. First thing, boost in Medicare seven point nine billion dollars has been committed to, making nine out of ten GP visits bulk billed by twenty thirty. I think we can all acknowledge that bulk billing disappeared under our noses. Second thing, energy relief one hundred and fifty bucks wiped from your energy bill through to December. And the third thing, childcare. Maybe this is just me and my own interest, but hey, i'd ever said I was a political journal I guaranteed eligibility for at least three days a week of subsidized childcare. Most of what was announced we already knew. So if you feel like none of this is surprising, you're right. But you might see some headlines around today because for the first time, thirteen content creators attended the federal budget lockup, which is usually reserved for political journalists. On the one hand, you've got the critics saying, how about the methodology of interpreting the budget of impartiality? And on the other hand, you've got people saying, aren't these some of the country's most powerful and influential communicators. If you want your budget delivered to a gen Z audience, the newspaper probably isn't the way to go. I say, I'm bowing down to anyone who wants to spend six hours in a locked room with budget papers. What are you two thinking? Are you jealous you weren't invited.

I think it's so great, And I think the idea that you need some sort of special qualifications to understand what a government's policies are is frankly part of the problem. We should all be getting across all of it, and it's not rocket science, and it's just about informing everyone.

I think it's so great, And I think the idea that you need some sort of special qualifications to understand what a government's policies are is frankly part of the problem. We should all be getting across all of it, and it's not rocket science, and it's just about informing everyone.

I agree. It used to be a very tightly closed shop the journalists who could get into the Budget lock Up and obviously the Canbra Press Gallery, and there's a lot of good reasons for that. But the media has changed out of sight in the past ten years and it's just perfect sense that you would expand who gets to come. So basically new media is included. MoMA Mia went we had a reporter and that is the first time. And I remember when I was head of Content musical like we were trying to get people in there, but there wasn't the sort of respect or understanding that new media as it's called, was valid. So I think it's kind of misleading that we're seeing these headlines saying influences in the Lockup when a lot of them are just very often female, younger journalists, media people, podcast hosts. Like it's sort of being used as a derogatory term. I don't have a problem with it.

I agree. It used to be a very tightly closed shop the journalists who could get into the Budget lock Up and obviously the Canbra Press Gallery, and there's a lot of good reasons for that. But the media has changed out of sight in the past ten years and it's just perfect sense that you would expand who gets to come. So basically new media is included. MoMA Mia went we had a reporter and that is the first time. And I remember when I was head of Content musical like we were trying to get people in there, but there wasn't the sort of respect or understanding that new media as it's called, was valid. So I think it's kind of misleading that we're seeing these headlines saying influences in the Lockup when a lot of them are just very often female, younger journalists, media people, podcast hosts. Like it's sort of being used as a derogatory term. I don't have a problem with it.

Who were some of the influencers who went so Hannah Ferguson from Cheek Media to call her an influencer, I feel exactly as you say, Holly is intentionally undermining. There's another influencer called Millie Rose Banister who has a big Instagram following, But what she's actually done is founded a youth charity for gen ZT. She's a founder really, so I think you know, read between the lines and these aren't people just posing in bikinis like they are actually trying to enact change and they've got very engaged audiences.

Who were some of the influencers who went so Hannah Ferguson from Cheek Media to call her an influencer, I feel exactly as you say, Holly is intentionally undermining. There's another influencer called Millie Rose Banister who has a big Instagram following, But what she's actually done is founded a youth charity for gen ZT. She's a founder really, so I think you know, read between the lines and these aren't people just posing in bikinis like they are actually trying to enact change and they've got very engaged audiences.

Well, also, people in bikinis have energy bills to pay, so I don't see.

Well, also, people in bikinis have energy bills to pay, so I don't see.

That so true.

That so true.

Possibly more the heating bills. You're not wearing clothes anyway.

Possibly more the heating bills. You're not wearing clothes anyway.

I'll be excited about the energy bills.

I'll be excited about the energy bills.

Megan's Sussex has opened a shop, but yet we are still waiting for jam as Ever. The brand through which she's selling, like Crepe mix, those ubiquitous flower sprinkles and the stuff that you saw on the Netflix show is called as Ever. And although you can go there and look at those things, you cannot yet buy them the shop and every day, twice a day at least, that shop is still not operating. It's still not trading. But what is trading is her Instagram store. And this is brand new. So on Megan's Instagram store, you can buy the things that she wears on her body and her face. So these are all things made by other people people and other brands, but if you buy them, Megs gets a little kickback for anything that you purchase. Do you guys know what affiliate links are?

Megan's Sussex has opened a shop, but yet we are still waiting for jam as Ever. The brand through which she's selling, like Crepe mix, those ubiquitous flower sprinkles and the stuff that you saw on the Netflix show is called as Ever. And although you can go there and look at those things, you cannot yet buy them the shop and every day, twice a day at least, that shop is still not operating. It's still not trading. But what is trading is her Instagram store. And this is brand new. So on Megan's Instagram store, you can buy the things that she wears on her body and her face. So these are all things made by other people people and other brands, but if you buy them, Megs gets a little kickback for anything that you purchase. Do you guys know what affiliate links are?

No?

No?

And can you explain why this is such a big deal because I sort of thought she was already doing this or everyone's doing this.

And can you explain why this is such a big deal because I sort of thought she was already doing this or everyone's doing this.

So lots of people do do this. Talking as we were in the intro about you know this broad term of influencers and how it's often like thrown around as some sort of derogatory term. Lots and lots of content creators on social media platforms do do this, right, So lots of publishing houses do it too. Mamamia does it sometimes. So if you might have an article that's like twenty pairs of genes to wear this winter, and then if you it'll say some of the links in this post are commissionable links or affiliate links, And what it means is if you click through and you buy those genes, a little percentage of money goes to the brand or the person or the publication that recommended them to you. Right, it's all got to be out in the open. That always has to be declared. You cannot sort of cover it up. So a lot of influencers and content creators do it, but who does not generally do it are top tier celebrities and royals. So it was a little bit surprising to people this week when Megan posted on her stories that she now had a shop and it's called my Shop and you can go there and at the top it says Duchess Megan, Duchess of Sussex, and then immediately in brackets some of these links will be commissional.

So lots of people do do this. Talking as we were in the intro about you know this broad term of influencers and how it's often like thrown around as some sort of derogatory term. Lots and lots of content creators on social media platforms do do this, right, So lots of publishing houses do it too. Mamamia does it sometimes. So if you might have an article that's like twenty pairs of genes to wear this winter, and then if you it'll say some of the links in this post are commissionable links or affiliate links, And what it means is if you click through and you buy those genes, a little percentage of money goes to the brand or the person or the publication that recommended them to you. Right, it's all got to be out in the open. That always has to be declared. You cannot sort of cover it up. So a lot of influencers and content creators do it, but who does not generally do it are top tier celebrities and royals. So it was a little bit surprising to people this week when Megan posted on her stories that she now had a shop and it's called my Shop and you can go there and at the top it says Duchess Megan, Duchess of Sussex, and then immediately in brackets some of these links will be commissional.

Sore other celebrities doing this.

Sore other celebrities doing this.

Lots of celebrities do it, but generally speaking, so the biggest people who make the most money on shopmy are people like, for example, Alex Earl. She is a twenty two year old TikTok creator from Miami, and she has more than six million followers. She makes a mint on there. So, for example, you post about a wedding you go to on the weekend, you're wearing a particular dress, and you're holding a particular bag and particular shoes, and then if you go in Alex's shop, it'll say wedding outfit, and you go. Then you can click on the shoes, click.

Lots of celebrities do it, but generally speaking, so the biggest people who make the most money on shopmy are people like, for example, Alex Earl. She is a twenty two year old TikTok creator from Miami, and she has more than six million followers. She makes a mint on there. So, for example, you post about a wedding you go to on the weekend, you're wearing a particular dress, and you're holding a particular bag and particular shoes, and then if you go in Alex's shop, it'll say wedding outfit, and you go. Then you can click on the shoes, click.

On their and in sort of defensive of affiliate links or the reason why, I think in the influencer space it's sort of become quite a respected.

On their and in sort of defensive of affiliate links or the reason why, I think in the influencer space it's sort of become quite a respected.

Means of a sense there's nothing wrong with it.

Means of a sense there's nothing wrong with it.

Yes, I think of Lee Campbell, who we work with, and Lee is often recommending clothes and beauty products. And it's work right, like people saying where's that skirt from? Where'd you get that? Like it can sound ridiculous, but replying to people and finding the link and going this is how it sits and this is the size and blah blah blah. It's women who are working often for free on these platforms. It's a way for them to generate income.

Yes, I think of Lee Campbell, who we work with, and Lee is often recommending clothes and beauty products. And it's work right, like people saying where's that skirt from? Where'd you get that? Like it can sound ridiculous, but replying to people and finding the link and going this is how it sits and this is the size and blah blah blah. It's women who are working often for free on these platforms. It's a way for them to generate income.

It is right, It absolutely is, and as I say, it has to be declared. There's nothing fishy about it. So if if I'm wearing a pair of shoes and you're like, I like those shoes, where are they from? And I just tell you I'm not getting an affiliate link from that, But if I was, I would have to tell you otherwise I would be breaking some serious rules. Right, So Megan is doing everything by the book. But the raised eyebrows are kind of about two things. Well, one of them is that, as I say, it is not generally something that very fancy people do, so it's a little bit sneered about, I think from people who are like, but hold on, you already have a deal with Netflix that's worth one hundred million and a deal with Spotify that's worth sixty million, and you've got this money coming in. And Harry's book was the best selling of all time, and he's got the royal money, and yet you also want my one dollar sixty from that face cream that I'm buying from you. So there's that level of snobbery. And then the other piece to it is the murky world of royal endorsement, right, because what a shot my really is is it's an endorsement, right saying I use this face cream, I love this face cream. You can buy this face cream too and be like me. And the thing about Megan's is it's very clearly Megan, Duchess of Sussex. And the rules, generally speaking are that from proper royals. And I know there's some disagreement about how proper they are, but they still have their titles. They're not HR eights, but they still have their titles. They still feature If you go to royalfamily dot com, the official page are still there.

It is right, It absolutely is, and as I say, it has to be declared. There's nothing fishy about it. So if if I'm wearing a pair of shoes and you're like, I like those shoes, where are they from? And I just tell you I'm not getting an affiliate link from that, But if I was, I would have to tell you otherwise I would be breaking some serious rules. Right, So Megan is doing everything by the book. But the raised eyebrows are kind of about two things. Well, one of them is that, as I say, it is not generally something that very fancy people do, so it's a little bit sneered about, I think from people who are like, but hold on, you already have a deal with Netflix that's worth one hundred million and a deal with Spotify that's worth sixty million, and you've got this money coming in. And Harry's book was the best selling of all time, and he's got the royal money, and yet you also want my one dollar sixty from that face cream that I'm buying from you. So there's that level of snobbery. And then the other piece to it is the murky world of royal endorsement, right, because what a shot my really is is it's an endorsement, right saying I use this face cream, I love this face cream. You can buy this face cream too and be like me. And the thing about Megan's is it's very clearly Megan, Duchess of Sussex. And the rules, generally speaking are that from proper royals. And I know there's some disagreement about how proper they are, but they still have their titles. They're not HR eights, but they still have their titles. They still feature If you go to royalfamily dot com, the official page are still there.

Like another one of your bookmarks all.

Like another one of your bookmarks all.

The time to see whether or not they've been kicked off. Yet this might do it. So they're using their royal title to do this, So that's also interesting.

The time to see whether or not they've been kicked off. Yet this might do it. So they're using their royal title to do this, So that's also interesting.

Okay, but how is this different from princess and son who I believe is called Peter Phillips, who doesn't have a title because Princess Ann wanted her kids to grow up like commoners. But he has appeared in ads in China to sell milk very much trading on the idea of I'm a royal and I drink this milk.

Okay, but how is this different from princess and son who I believe is called Peter Phillips, who doesn't have a title because Princess Ann wanted her kids to grow up like commoners. But he has appeared in ads in China to sell milk very much trading on the idea of I'm a royal and I drink this milk.

This is why this is murky territory, right, because if you read any of the books about the royals, I'll say this is always a point of friction because the further down the royal ladder you slip, the less money you get. So Peter Phillips and Zara Phillips, who are Princess An's children, as you say, did not get titles and they are not working royals, so they do not get any money from the public purse. So they're like, well, how do I make money? And Zara's like, I could take some land driver money. They would like to spook their cars, and they do, but the fact they don't have titles makes it a little bit different.

This is why this is murky territory, right, because if you read any of the books about the royals, I'll say this is always a point of friction because the further down the royal ladder you slip, the less money you get. So Peter Phillips and Zara Phillips, who are Princess An's children, as you say, did not get titles and they are not working royals, so they do not get any money from the public purse. So they're like, well, how do I make money? And Zara's like, I could take some land driver money. They would like to spook their cars, and they do, but the fact they don't have titles makes it a little bit different.

And there is Amelia a rub there. And the rub is that in that Peter Phillips commercial which I went and watched for Chinese milk, in the background it is a backdrop like a green screen of a palace, and then there's a green screen of him having tea in what honestly looks like it's meant to be Buckingham Palace. Yes, and the same thing happened with Kitty Spencer. She also was in an ad for Chinese milk and she said something along the lines like milk is part of any royals morning routine because they drink tea. And this horrified the British elitist royalists were looking at this, going, you don't trade in our good name to go and basically flog whatever milk will pay you the most. So I think that there is something I love.

And there is Amelia a rub there. And the rub is that in that Peter Phillips commercial which I went and watched for Chinese milk, in the background it is a backdrop like a green screen of a palace, and then there's a green screen of him having tea in what honestly looks like it's meant to be Buckingham Palace. Yes, and the same thing happened with Kitty Spencer. She also was in an ad for Chinese milk and she said something along the lines like milk is part of any royals morning routine because they drink tea. And this horrified the British elitist royalists were looking at this, going, you don't trade in our good name to go and basically flog whatever milk will pay you the most. So I think that there is something I love.

There is a very fair point there, merely because the thing is is the people who are like saying the royal name should not be sullied. The way that the Royal family actually makes its money that is not in dispute is basically through being landlords of vast tracts of the country. You know that they then get paid by all kinds of things, from prisons to private housing associations, sort kind of things to use the fancy land that they own. There is a lot of commercial arrangement going on in the royal family all the time. But what has never happened before is that someone who has a very fancy title and is that close to the crown has gone, please buy this bag. I will get sixteen dollars if you do, quite so explicitly.

There is a very fair point there, merely because the thing is is the people who are like saying the royal name should not be sullied. The way that the Royal family actually makes its money that is not in dispute is basically through being landlords of vast tracts of the country. You know that they then get paid by all kinds of things, from prisons to private housing associations, sort kind of things to use the fancy land that they own. There is a lot of commercial arrangement going on in the royal family all the time. But what has never happened before is that someone who has a very fancy title and is that close to the crown has gone, please buy this bag. I will get sixteen dollars if you do, quite so explicitly.

It's the next step in the metamorphosis of Megan Markele Duchess of Sussex the influencer. And I'm here for it and I love it. So I found a dress that I quite liked, right, and it was a dress for five hundred and sixty four dollars and a little out of my budget. But on my deep dive I discovered that this website that she's using has a commission of up to thirty percent. She could get one hundred and sixty nine dollars if I bought that dress, which I thought was amazing. But in the fine print, I think there's a hint as to where she's going next. Right, Because the platform also allows creators to discover and manage paid collaboration opportunities. Look, I recently did spon con for Cabot's deck Oil. I reckon, we are a month from Meghan Markel or Meghan Sussex being the face of Cabot's deck Oil. She's doing her little little den hundred paid collab face. The woman has to work. I quite love it. I love how offensive the monarchists will find it. I definitely understand. I just keep looking at this and going I'm getting further and further on the train of Look, honey, we have got to drop that title. We've got to drop it.

It's the next step in the metamorphosis of Megan Markele Duchess of Sussex the influencer. And I'm here for it and I love it. So I found a dress that I quite liked, right, and it was a dress for five hundred and sixty four dollars and a little out of my budget. But on my deep dive I discovered that this website that she's using has a commission of up to thirty percent. She could get one hundred and sixty nine dollars if I bought that dress, which I thought was amazing. But in the fine print, I think there's a hint as to where she's going next. Right, Because the platform also allows creators to discover and manage paid collaboration opportunities. Look, I recently did spon con for Cabot's deck Oil. I reckon, we are a month from Meghan Markel or Meghan Sussex being the face of Cabot's deck Oil. She's doing her little little den hundred paid collab face. The woman has to work. I quite love it. I love how offensive the monarchists will find it. I definitely understand. I just keep looking at this and going I'm getting further and further on the train of Look, honey, we have got to drop that title. We've got to drop it.

That's the thing. I don't have any problem with her doing this like that would be really hypocritical. I mean, I also get paid to promote things on the Internet. But I think one of the ways that it's a bit distasteful, and what it is is it folds into what we've been talking about all year that Meghan has obviously decided I don't give a shit anymore about all the criticism because you people are never gonna like me. It's never going to be enough. I'm just going to do what I want to do. Because this hands ammunition to her critics who say, don't you have enough money already? You know, like maybe Jesse needs the Cabot deck oil money. Oh, trust me, I do, but maybe Meghan doesn't. But then I think that Meghan rightly has realized that that's also a very old fashioned idea and we're used now to people having lots of different strings to their bow.

That's the thing. I don't have any problem with her doing this like that would be really hypocritical. I mean, I also get paid to promote things on the Internet. But I think one of the ways that it's a bit distasteful, and what it is is it folds into what we've been talking about all year that Meghan has obviously decided I don't give a shit anymore about all the criticism because you people are never gonna like me. It's never going to be enough. I'm just going to do what I want to do. Because this hands ammunition to her critics who say, don't you have enough money already? You know, like maybe Jesse needs the Cabot deck oil money. Oh, trust me, I do, but maybe Meghan doesn't. But then I think that Meghan rightly has realized that that's also a very old fashioned idea and we're used now to people having lots of different strings to their bow.

I also think we should remember that she used to be famous pri Harry for suits. Yes, but she always wanted to be in fluence. So the tig her blog pre Harry was all about Megan recommending things and selling beauty products and food products and influencing people with her taste. So it's sort of like she never wanted to be a royal. She always wanted to be an influencer, right, and now she's just returning to that.

I also think we should remember that she used to be famous pri Harry for suits. Yes, but she always wanted to be in fluence. So the tig her blog pre Harry was all about Megan recommending things and selling beauty products and food products and influencing people with her taste. So it's sort of like she never wanted to be a royal. She always wanted to be an influencer, right, and now she's just returning to that.

It gives her a competitive advantage though over every other There isn't another person on that platform who can say that they are a duchess and that this face cream is dutchess level good.

It gives her a competitive advantage though over every other There isn't another person on that platform who can say that they are a duchess and that this face cream is dutchess level good.

Look and I'm horrified by that. I want to make clear that she is trading off the royal name, which has never been sullied before. But one thing I did want to mention that did genuinely horrify me. Is you mentioned skinny jeans? Is she selling skinny jeans on there?

Look and I'm horrified by that. I want to make clear that she is trading off the royal name, which has never been sullied before. But one thing I did want to mention that did genuinely horrify me. Is you mentioned skinny jeans? Is she selling skinny jeans on there?

Like Jesse, I have deep dived. Most of the things on there are sold out already, so it's very clear that the people wanted what Megan is selling them. But in her show with Love Megan, it's not as ever, and it's not this other brand. I'm very confused. But anyway, in her show she wears skinny dear the lot and they are for sale on there, and it's a brand called Frame, a gene called alex are apparently very cool and that you cannot buy those for love nor money and they cost two hundred.

Like Jesse, I have deep dived. Most of the things on there are sold out already, so it's very clear that the people wanted what Megan is selling them. But in her show with Love Megan, it's not as ever, and it's not this other brand. I'm very confused. But anyway, in her show she wears skinny dear the lot and they are for sale on there, and it's a brand called Frame, a gene called alex are apparently very cool and that you cannot buy those for love nor money and they cost two hundred.

See that is to me in a moment.

See that is to me in a moment.

Where you work is the new political battleground business productivity, life productivity, and a culture war over working from home. It seems politics has weaseled its way into the workplace. In an article published in The Sydney Morning Herald titled why where you Work is the new political battleground, Shane Wright argues that one of the biggest debates set to play out in the coming weeks concerns working from home, so the coalition wants all public servants back at their desks. Peter Dutton has accused many of refusing to go back to work. He's also expressed plans to acts up to thirty six thousand federal public servants, seemingly following in the footsteps of Elon Musk and Doge. Here is what Alberanezi has said in response.

Where you work is the new political battleground business productivity, life productivity, and a culture war over working from home. It seems politics has weaseled its way into the workplace. In an article published in The Sydney Morning Herald titled why where you Work is the new political battleground, Shane Wright argues that one of the biggest debates set to play out in the coming weeks concerns working from home, so the coalition wants all public servants back at their desks. Peter Dutton has accused many of refusing to go back to work. He's also expressed plans to acts up to thirty six thousand federal public servants, seemingly following in the footsteps of Elon Musk and Doge. Here is what Alberanezi has said in response.

This is an advantage in modern families that have enabled them to take advantage of it. It has also meant for working families where both parents are working, they're able to deal with those issues of working from home has enabled them to work full time and therefore it has increased workforce participation, particularly for women. Peter Darton has said that firstly he has questioned working from home and of course these decisions are decisions that are made as well with employers. He has questioned it and he has said that oh well, women in particular can just go out and job share well, people who want to work full time in order to make sure they can look after their families. This just shows how out of touch Peter darton Is.

This is an advantage in modern families that have enabled them to take advantage of it. It has also meant for working families where both parents are working, they're able to deal with those issues of working from home has enabled them to work full time and therefore it has increased workforce participation, particularly for women. Peter Darton has said that firstly he has questioned working from home and of course these decisions are decisions that are made as well with employers. He has questioned it and he has said that oh well, women in particular can just go out and job share well, people who want to work full time in order to make sure they can look after their families. This just shows how out of touch Peter darton Is.

He also added that forcing people back into their cars for a daily commute could set them back five thousand dollars a year just in transport and car parking costs. So the debate about working from home or back to the office has been gaining momentum since the pandemic. Prior to the pandemic, about six point five percent of assies worked at least half the time from home, and now it's about seventeen percent. Some economists, business leaders, and policymakers say that working from home has caused a drop in national productivity. They argue that not being in an office reduces their ability to generate new ideas. What is not factored in, though, is the cost when it comes to what right terms life productivity. That is, the time of person is trapped in a car for our every week. A one size fits all approach is also seen to punish some demographics more than others. For example, people with kids generally, people in their thirties and forties want flexibility more than people in say, their sixties, and people who have a longer commute. Holly, does this just tell us everything about who each politician is trying to appeal to.

He also added that forcing people back into their cars for a daily commute could set them back five thousand dollars a year just in transport and car parking costs. So the debate about working from home or back to the office has been gaining momentum since the pandemic. Prior to the pandemic, about six point five percent of assies worked at least half the time from home, and now it's about seventeen percent. Some economists, business leaders, and policymakers say that working from home has caused a drop in national productivity. They argue that not being in an office reduces their ability to generate new ideas. What is not factored in, though, is the cost when it comes to what right terms life productivity. That is, the time of person is trapped in a car for our every week. A one size fits all approach is also seen to punish some demographics more than others. For example, people with kids generally, people in their thirties and forties want flexibility more than people in say, their sixties, and people who have a longer commute. Holly, does this just tell us everything about who each politician is trying to appeal to.

Yes, I think it does. And it's interesting because the come back to the office is like a puffer fish issue for two groups of people. I'm going to really generalize, Yeah, but business leaders they want people to come back to the office generally speaking, and those who can't work from home want people to go back to the office because they're like, why should you get to have this work life balance when an enormous amount of people could not possibly do their jobs remotely or flexibly. And you know, we all know who those people are, but they're everybody teach to laborers, to nurses, to doctors to you know, many, many many people. So those groups of people are not very friendly to this working from home debate, and indeed, when we talk about this issue on the show, will very often get a lot of feedback from people saying this is not relevant to me, I don't like it. What's interesting to me is that labor have decided enough people are into it that it's worth them defending it publicly. That they know, you know, the stats seem to swing a lot, but they're saying that about a third of people have some kind of hybrid working arrangement these days, and that when you poll those people who can work from home. It's very clear that a lot most of them want to hold on to it. Eighty eight percent of Australians say they would prefer to work from home some of the time if they could. So it's like Albow is kind of deciding I'm going to talk to them at the risk of upsetting this group and this group, and Dutton has decided these two very different grips groups, the business leaders and the people who don't who don't support any working from home are more important.

Yes, I think it does. And it's interesting because the come back to the office is like a puffer fish issue for two groups of people. I'm going to really generalize, Yeah, but business leaders they want people to come back to the office generally speaking, and those who can't work from home want people to go back to the office because they're like, why should you get to have this work life balance when an enormous amount of people could not possibly do their jobs remotely or flexibly. And you know, we all know who those people are, but they're everybody teach to laborers, to nurses, to doctors to you know, many, many many people. So those groups of people are not very friendly to this working from home debate, and indeed, when we talk about this issue on the show, will very often get a lot of feedback from people saying this is not relevant to me, I don't like it. What's interesting to me is that labor have decided enough people are into it that it's worth them defending it publicly. That they know, you know, the stats seem to swing a lot, but they're saying that about a third of people have some kind of hybrid working arrangement these days, and that when you poll those people who can work from home. It's very clear that a lot most of them want to hold on to it. Eighty eight percent of Australians say they would prefer to work from home some of the time if they could. So it's like Albow is kind of deciding I'm going to talk to them at the risk of upsetting this group and this group, and Dutton has decided these two very different grips groups, the business leaders and the people who don't who don't support any working from home are more important.

Which are broadly speaking, the coalition's base here right because it's this kind of pincer move that we've seen in right wing parties around the globe where they appeal to the very rich, they appeal to maybe more of the working class, and it's a pincer move that kind of cuts out that middle, maybe in this case predominantly white collar workers who have the flexibility to work from home. Obviously there are exceptions, as you mentioned, Holly, but in broad brush strokes, if you divide society up into those three classes, it's a pincer move.

Which are broadly speaking, the coalition's base here right because it's this kind of pincer move that we've seen in right wing parties around the globe where they appeal to the very rich, they appeal to maybe more of the working class, and it's a pincer move that kind of cuts out that middle, maybe in this case predominantly white collar workers who have the flexibility to work from home. Obviously there are exceptions, as you mentioned, Holly, but in broad brush strokes, if you divide society up into those three classes, it's a pincer move.

Absolutely, yeah.

Absolutely, yeah.

And I think there's a general sense of defensiveness when you have the opposition leader essentially, and this has happened in the US as well, wagging their finger saying you need to get back to work. You've been taking like it feels like they're saying this isn't what they're saying, but it feels like they're saying, you've been taking the piss. And I've felt my friends who have had the same things happened in their workplaces. Its mirroring what's been happening in workplaces for a few years now, which is that the boss tries to change this new dynamic and says we want people back to work for a heap of sometimes incredibly valid reason, for the fact that they have an office that's empty, for collaboration, for opportunities for gen Z workers who are not getting the hands on training, or opportunities to learn from people older than them, for mental health reasons. There's heaps and heaps of reasons. But I think there's definitely a defensiveness. And this focus on the public sector as well, I think is slightly misguided because what this research said as well is that they're not the number one group that's working from home. In fact, it's people in like investment in finance. A lot of them are working from home. A lot of media people are working from home, and this attack on the public service, it makes me really nervous, I think, because there's this you that it's bloated, that they waste time, that they waste resources, and you know what, perhaps in some little pockets there's truth to that, but I also think it is so many thousands of people and the people I know who work in the public service or working their ass off, yeah, I mean, whether it's from home.

And I think there's a general sense of defensiveness when you have the opposition leader essentially, and this has happened in the US as well, wagging their finger saying you need to get back to work. You've been taking like it feels like they're saying this isn't what they're saying, but it feels like they're saying, you've been taking the piss. And I've felt my friends who have had the same things happened in their workplaces. Its mirroring what's been happening in workplaces for a few years now, which is that the boss tries to change this new dynamic and says we want people back to work for a heap of sometimes incredibly valid reason, for the fact that they have an office that's empty, for collaboration, for opportunities for gen Z workers who are not getting the hands on training, or opportunities to learn from people older than them, for mental health reasons. There's heaps and heaps of reasons. But I think there's definitely a defensiveness. And this focus on the public sector as well, I think is slightly misguided because what this research said as well is that they're not the number one group that's working from home. In fact, it's people in like investment in finance. A lot of them are working from home. A lot of media people are working from home, and this attack on the public service, it makes me really nervous, I think, because there's this you that it's bloated, that they waste time, that they waste resources, and you know what, perhaps in some little pockets there's truth to that, but I also think it is so many thousands of people and the people I know who work in the public service or working their ass off, yeah, I mean, whether it's from home.

Or yeah, and it's such a varied workforce. Like government workers is a term that is being thrown around all over the world at the minute as some kind of code for like you've got a cushy job. I see it. I see it on TikTok all the time, where it's somebody like government workers work like this, and it's like this tiny portion of the day, mums work like this. It's a giant portion that and it's like government workers has become like a and it's exactly it is. And that's nonsense because that umbrella encapsulates so many different kinds of people doing different kinds of jobs.

Or yeah, and it's such a varied workforce. Like government workers is a term that is being thrown around all over the world at the minute as some kind of code for like you've got a cushy job. I see it. I see it on TikTok all the time, where it's somebody like government workers work like this, and it's like this tiny portion of the day, mums work like this. It's a giant portion that and it's like government workers has become like a and it's exactly it is. And that's nonsense because that umbrella encapsulates so many different kinds of people doing different kinds of jobs.

Jesse, I think you're right to say that you feel nervous, or I agree with you, because I do think it's a bit of a cultural or touch point right now, this idea of government work as not working very much. And I think you also raise an interesting point conversely about the fact that it's not always clear who wants to get back to the office and why I think it's hard to generalize. You mentioned gen ZED there, and anecdotally in my experience, gen Z colleagues I have are the ones who want to get back to the office because they're saying, we're not seeing role models and mentors in the office. We don't know how to write an email, we don't know how to conduct ourselves in a meeting. We need to see other people in order to emulate that and to move up the career. Add it, and then I've heard managers say that they feel that gen ZED workers are being stifled in their career progression because they're not able to observe how more senior employees work.

Jesse, I think you're right to say that you feel nervous, or I agree with you, because I do think it's a bit of a cultural or touch point right now, this idea of government work as not working very much. And I think you also raise an interesting point conversely about the fact that it's not always clear who wants to get back to the office and why I think it's hard to generalize. You mentioned gen ZED there, and anecdotally in my experience, gen Z colleagues I have are the ones who want to get back to the office because they're saying, we're not seeing role models and mentors in the office. We don't know how to write an email, we don't know how to conduct ourselves in a meeting. We need to see other people in order to emulate that and to move up the career. Add it, and then I've heard managers say that they feel that gen ZED workers are being stifled in their career progression because they're not able to observe how more senior employees work.

Well, it's interesting because when you think about it, you know, when you're living through these vast changes that we're living through all the time of the minute. But it's been five years, right, it's been five years since for a period there everybody who could be sent home, was sent home right and then slowly back. So a lot of people in that five year period have entered the workforce for the first time, and if they are in a what would have once been in a conventional office situation, they've never known that. They've never known one hundred percent attendance, They've never known Friday night drinks. They've never known all of those kind of some important and some less important cultural touchdowns of what it means to be constantly around these people of different levels of seniority in different jobs to you all the time. They've never known that. So it's going to be really different. But the thing is is that the resistance that comes from because you say that about gen z Amelia, and I'm sure that's true and accurate, but there is also, I think, because of the fact that a large cohort has come of age during this time, an expectation that some hybrid model will be provided and that insisting on five days a week attendance is kind of extreme, and I wonder how that tension works itself out without this cultural finger pointing.

Well, it's interesting because when you think about it, you know, when you're living through these vast changes that we're living through all the time of the minute. But it's been five years, right, it's been five years since for a period there everybody who could be sent home, was sent home right and then slowly back. So a lot of people in that five year period have entered the workforce for the first time, and if they are in a what would have once been in a conventional office situation, they've never known that. They've never known one hundred percent attendance, They've never known Friday night drinks. They've never known all of those kind of some important and some less important cultural touchdowns of what it means to be constantly around these people of different levels of seniority in different jobs to you all the time. They've never known that. So it's going to be really different. But the thing is is that the resistance that comes from because you say that about gen z Amelia, and I'm sure that's true and accurate, but there is also, I think, because of the fact that a large cohort has come of age during this time, an expectation that some hybrid model will be provided and that insisting on five days a week attendance is kind of extreme, and I wonder how that tension works itself out without this cultural finger pointing.

And getting back to the political point, I wonder if Dutton knows something more than maybe a lot of people do about this debate in the sense that maybe young people want to get back to work more than we think. Maybe that's why he's pushing this, because he knows a's quite a diverse demographic of people who don't like the status quo. It's not just the people we talked about before. It's not just the managers. It's not just the nurses and the bus drivers and the doctors. It's also maybe a frustration amongst young people. Well. Ben Affleck is on the cover of GQ talking about how much he hates attention again. He told the magazine, my life is actually pretty drama free, before bringing up of his own accord his divorce from Jennifer Lopez. Jesse, you're an expert on breakups, you wrote a book about him. How do you think Ben is handling his.

And getting back to the political point, I wonder if Dutton knows something more than maybe a lot of people do about this debate in the sense that maybe young people want to get back to work more than we think. Maybe that's why he's pushing this, because he knows a's quite a diverse demographic of people who don't like the status quo. It's not just the people we talked about before. It's not just the managers. It's not just the nurses and the bus drivers and the doctors. It's also maybe a frustration amongst young people. Well. Ben Affleck is on the cover of GQ talking about how much he hates attention again. He told the magazine, my life is actually pretty drama free, before bringing up of his own accord his divorce from Jennifer Lopez. Jesse, you're an expert on breakups, you wrote a book about him. How do you think Ben is handling his.

I think that line about my life is actually pretty drama free was so revealing, And it was revealing because I just kept thinking, beware the man who tells you that his life is drama free after a breakup. They are the type of man or women who treat their partner terribly. They make them paranoid, they undermine them, they foster very bizarre behavior and guess what the partner does start acting weird because you're cheating on them, right, And then when they break up, that person says, I'm glad my life is now drama free, when they were the ones acting like an idiot. Like I have been in this situation where I've had people, you know, a boyfriend at the time who every time he went out for a drink he'd get a few phone numbers and then and that I'd get upset, and then after we broke up, he would say, Oh, my life is just so much It's just so much less drama, there's less anxiety. I just felt like I was just taking on your big feelings all the time. And I was like, yeah, I bet it's there's less drama.

I think that line about my life is actually pretty drama free was so revealing, And it was revealing because I just kept thinking, beware the man who tells you that his life is drama free after a breakup. They are the type of man or women who treat their partner terribly. They make them paranoid, they undermine them, they foster very bizarre behavior and guess what the partner does start acting weird because you're cheating on them, right, And then when they break up, that person says, I'm glad my life is now drama free, when they were the ones acting like an idiot. Like I have been in this situation where I've had people, you know, a boyfriend at the time who every time he went out for a drink he'd get a few phone numbers and then and that I'd get upset, and then after we broke up, he would say, Oh, my life is just so much It's just so much less drama, there's less anxiety. I just felt like I was just taking on your big feelings all the time. And I was like, yeah, I bet it's there's less drama.

But you were the cause of it because you wanted to be single and now you are. Maybe you should have stayed single in the first place. After the break do you need more luck? Being delusional might just be the key. Welcome to Lucky Girl.

But you were the cause of it because you wanted to be single and now you are. Maybe you should have stayed single in the first place. After the break do you need more luck? Being delusional might just be the key. Welcome to Lucky Girl.

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Try being delusional for a month and tell me if your life doesn't change. This is TikTok influencer Laura Glabe, who was explaining lucky Girl syndrome, which is a new version of the old art of manifestation. If you think great things will happen to you, they probably will. Let's listen to Laura explain it a little more.

Try being delusional for a month and tell me if your life doesn't change. This is TikTok influencer Laura Glabe, who was explaining lucky Girl syndrome, which is a new version of the old art of manifestation. If you think great things will happen to you, they probably will. Let's listen to Laura explain it a little more.

I genuinely consider myself one of the luckiest people I know, Like I get the most insane opportunities thrown at me out of nowhere. Literally, no better way to explain it than like it feels like the odds are completely in my favor. I've thought about this and talked about it with friends before to me and like ask myself, like, I wonder why.

I genuinely consider myself one of the luckiest people I know, Like I get the most insane opportunities thrown at me out of nowhere. Literally, no better way to explain it than like it feels like the odds are completely in my favor. I've thought about this and talked about it with friends before to me and like ask myself, like, I wonder why.

This should always happens to me.

This should always happens to me.

I'm not exactly sure at what point this started for me, but ever since I can remember, I have always made it a point to tell everyone I am so lucky. I just always expect great things to happen to me, and so they do. And I know that's gonna be someone in the comments who's like, well, that just opens more room for disappointment, because if something doesn't go your way, then like you're going to be disappointed. Well, no, because nothing ever doesn't go my way, and like if it doesn't go the exact way that I wanted to go, then something better comes up after it. The thing is, it wasn't until like genuinely believed that great things just happened to me out of nowhere, that things literally started flying at my f I'm not kidding constantly, and my friends are can vouched for them because they've.

I'm not exactly sure at what point this started for me, but ever since I can remember, I have always made it a point to tell everyone I am so lucky. I just always expect great things to happen to me, and so they do. And I know that's gonna be someone in the comments who's like, well, that just opens more room for disappointment, because if something doesn't go your way, then like you're going to be disappointed. Well, no, because nothing ever doesn't go my way, and like if it doesn't go the exact way that I wanted to go, then something better comes up after it. The thing is, it wasn't until like genuinely believed that great things just happened to me out of nowhere, that things literally started flying at my f I'm not kidding constantly, and my friends are can vouched for them because they've.

Heard me say this.

Heard me say this.

I'm constantly saying, great things are always happening to me unexpectedly.

I'm constantly saying, great things are always happening to me unexpectedly.

Does she have any friends? That's what she's saying this constantly. M Vernon wrote about this phenomenon on Mama Mia recently, and she traced the trend's origins back to a woman named Esther Hicks. She is an inspirational speaker whose Law of Attraction workshops have gone viral online. Hicks has a mattra. She says we should be repeating to ourselves multiple times daily and especially whenever we feel anxious. Got a pen, write this down. Things are always working out for me, no matter how it looks. At any point in time, I question how new this is. I think every generation has a version of manifestation which they sees on two twenty years ago. Holly, I'm sure you remember this just like I do. It was the Secret by Eronda Byrn that was everywhere I remember Zowie Foster Blake back in the name checking It that highlighted the importance of gratitude and visualization for achieving what you want in life. So I will say that sometimes this has worked for me. I'm skeptical of it, but I have to admit that when I was getting over a horrible breakup earlier in my life, I had someone advise me to articulate specifically what I wanted in a partner, to sort of both visualize identify it, and then visualize it. And I decided that the most important quality that I needed in a partner was someone who was fun on a wedding dance floor, namely because I had been with someone who was very not fun on a wedding dance floor. And I got it. I got someone who was fun on a wedding dance floor. That said, Holly, is this all just toxic positivity blaming the victim? In some ways?

Does she have any friends? That's what she's saying this constantly. M Vernon wrote about this phenomenon on Mama Mia recently, and she traced the trend's origins back to a woman named Esther Hicks. She is an inspirational speaker whose Law of Attraction workshops have gone viral online. Hicks has a mattra. She says we should be repeating to ourselves multiple times daily and especially whenever we feel anxious. Got a pen, write this down. Things are always working out for me, no matter how it looks. At any point in time, I question how new this is. I think every generation has a version of manifestation which they sees on two twenty years ago. Holly, I'm sure you remember this just like I do. It was the Secret by Eronda Byrn that was everywhere I remember Zowie Foster Blake back in the name checking It that highlighted the importance of gratitude and visualization for achieving what you want in life. So I will say that sometimes this has worked for me. I'm skeptical of it, but I have to admit that when I was getting over a horrible breakup earlier in my life, I had someone advise me to articulate specifically what I wanted in a partner, to sort of both visualize identify it, and then visualize it. And I decided that the most important quality that I needed in a partner was someone who was fun on a wedding dance floor, namely because I had been with someone who was very not fun on a wedding dance floor. And I got it. I got someone who was fun on a wedding dance floor. That said, Holly, is this all just toxic positivity blaming the victim? In some ways?

Yes, it is.

Yes, it is.

It definitely.

It definitely.

Is also this bit where she says, I genuinely believe I will always get whatever it is I want. I think that's called entitlement, right. I think that's what that's called, because what happens when you don't like inevitably in your life, you are going to come up against not getting exactly what it is you want, and then what happens.

Is also this bit where she says, I genuinely believe I will always get whatever it is I want. I think that's called entitlement, right. I think that's what that's called, because what happens when you don't like inevitably in your life, you are going to come up against not getting exactly what it is you want, and then what happens.

You know, this woman has a very complicated Starbucks order. Absolutely know that.

You know, this woman has a very complicated Starbucks order. Absolutely know that.

And it also feels a little bit like the old idea that, you know, optimism versus pessimism, like the outcome is probably going to be the same, but the optimist will have a better time. It's a bit like that, right. It's like if you go through life going it's probably going to work out. I'm probably going to get this. I'm probably going to get that. Maybe you're just generally enjoying a little bit more the kind of reality that you're going to get some of what you want and some of what you're not. How you're focusing on the stuff you're going to get.

And it also feels a little bit like the old idea that, you know, optimism versus pessimism, like the outcome is probably going to be the same, but the optimist will have a better time. It's a bit like that, right. It's like if you go through life going it's probably going to work out. I'm probably going to get this. I'm probably going to get that. Maybe you're just generally enjoying a little bit more the kind of reality that you're going to get some of what you want and some of what you're not. How you're focusing on the stuff you're going to get.

I think the energy thing is real, Jesse.

I think the energy thing is real, Jesse.

Look, I am a self professed lucky person. I'm a lucky person, and I had this experience years ago, I was on a date with this guy. Things were going well, and it was a fancy restaurant. I don't know why this happened this night, but there was a meat raffle and they came over.

Look, I am a self professed lucky person. I'm a lucky person, and I had this experience years ago, I was on a date with this guy. Things were going well, and it was a fancy restaurant. I don't know why this happened this night, but there was a meat raffle and they came over.

Sorry, was it a fancy restaurant if I had a meat raffle?

Sorry, was it a fancy restaurant if I had a meat raffle?

Look, I thought it was what I keep going back to my memory and I'm like, I'm sure it wasn't an RSL. But there was a meat raffle and they came over with the little tickets. I feel you know what, I feel like, you didn't even have to buy the tickets. I feel like it was a thing where they came over and gave people tickets. And I looked at this person I went, please, no, don't give me a ticket because I'm gonna win this fucking meat raffle and I don't want a tray of meat on this date. And I just went no, no, no, no, no no. And they gave us a few tickets and then they went to call it. And I was like, the least sexy thing to happen would be if I won this tray of sexages and.

Look, I thought it was what I keep going back to my memory and I'm like, I'm sure it wasn't an RSL. But there was a meat raffle and they came over with the little tickets. I feel you know what, I feel like, you didn't even have to buy the tickets. I feel like it was a thing where they came over and gave people tickets. And I looked at this person I went, please, no, don't give me a ticket because I'm gonna win this fucking meat raffle and I don't want a tray of meat on this date. And I just went no, no, no, no, no no. And they gave us a few tickets and then they went to call it. And I was like, the least sexy thing to happen would be if I won this tray of sexages and.

Do you know nothing about street Man?

Do you know nothing about street Man?

And we won the fucking meat raffles. I just remember walking back to his place and he was just holding this. There was no he was still right, really no, I think he just it was an ick. I don't think that winning a meat raffle on a second date is hot.

And we won the fucking meat raffles. I just remember walking back to his place and he was just holding this. There was no he was still right, really no, I think he just it was an ick. I don't think that winning a meat raffle on a second date is hot.

There are some stages of your life when winning a meat raffle is great, But be young, single on a date where you're probably living like, that's not really useful. Like four kilos, that's not really.

There are some stages of your life when winning a meat raffle is great, But be young, single on a date where you're probably living like, that's not really useful. Like four kilos, that's not really.

It wasn't it. So being lucky isn't always great. But I think there is something to this. And I remember learning this at school, and I think it's a bit of pseudoscience. I don't think that it's quite accurate. And people online call themselves neuroscientists, and I don't think they know what that means. But there's something called the reticular activating system, which is this thing where if Holly tells me that she's bought a new car, and she tells me the make and model of that car, suddenly I will see that car everywhere. Or someone says, you know this new song. You start noticing things if the seed is planted right. And that's all this is is that if you seed luck early on in your day. Then you'll start seeing luck whereas before you didn't. And I think the other question that this sort of ass of people is what would you do if you believed you were lucky? And the answer is I'd probably try more shit. So I have a friend who said, oh, you know Emily. Emily is so lucky. She wins every competition, you know, those online competitions. She went to Disneyland because she won this competition, and I'm like, mate, when was the last time you entered one of those copts? Think Emily is the only one who enters the Disneyland competition, so she goes. And I think that women often maybe psych themselves out, or you know, they might not go for the job, or they might not go on the date because they're worried that it won't work out. But in the same way that depression, and I have experienced this at moments in my life. Depression makes your life sad, like the experience and it's chicken or egg. But when I'm in a state of depression, objectively bad things start happening in my life. It's like you generate them, because I think there's probably some part of you that almost revels in it, and so this is the opposite. There's something quite.

It wasn't it. So being lucky isn't always great. But I think there is something to this. And I remember learning this at school, and I think it's a bit of pseudoscience. I don't think that it's quite accurate. And people online call themselves neuroscientists, and I don't think they know what that means. But there's something called the reticular activating system, which is this thing where if Holly tells me that she's bought a new car, and she tells me the make and model of that car, suddenly I will see that car everywhere. Or someone says, you know this new song. You start noticing things if the seed is planted right. And that's all this is is that if you seed luck early on in your day. Then you'll start seeing luck whereas before you didn't. And I think the other question that this sort of ass of people is what would you do if you believed you were lucky? And the answer is I'd probably try more shit. So I have a friend who said, oh, you know Emily. Emily is so lucky. She wins every competition, you know, those online competitions. She went to Disneyland because she won this competition, and I'm like, mate, when was the last time you entered one of those copts? Think Emily is the only one who enters the Disneyland competition, so she goes. And I think that women often maybe psych themselves out, or you know, they might not go for the job, or they might not go on the date because they're worried that it won't work out. But in the same way that depression, and I have experienced this at moments in my life. Depression makes your life sad, like the experience and it's chicken or egg. But when I'm in a state of depression, objectively bad things start happening in my life. It's like you generate them, because I think there's probably some part of you that almost revels in it, and so this is the opposite. There's something quite.

It's if you think that any project, anything you try, if you allow yourself to be pre paralyzed by the idea that it might fail, of course you're going to try less shit, as you put it, Jesse. So I think that's true. But I'd like to prosecute the delusional part of this right because I have a friend who one hundred percent is this person. I don't know if you've noticed that a lot of modern manifestation seems to center around getting car parks where you want them.

It's if you think that any project, anything you try, if you allow yourself to be pre paralyzed by the idea that it might fail, of course you're going to try less shit, as you put it, Jesse. So I think that's true. But I'd like to prosecute the delusional part of this right because I have a friend who one hundred percent is this person. I don't know if you've noticed that a lot of modern manifestation seems to center around getting car parks where you want them.

There are many problems in the world that need to be solved, but apparently all the positive energy is being entirely channeled to there will be a spot outside the place, like the cafe I want to go to, and I have a friend who's this so she'll go.

There are many problems in the world that need to be solved, but apparently all the positive energy is being entirely channeled to there will be a spot outside the place, like the cafe I want to go to, and I have a friend who's this so she'll go.

So you'll be talking and we'll go shall we drive? And I'll say, oh, you know how hard it is to park around there? And she goes, no, it's not hard to park. You think it's hard to park.

So you'll be talking and we'll go shall we drive? And I'll say, oh, you know how hard it is to park around there? And she goes, no, it's not hard to park. You think it's hard to park.

It's easy.

It's easy.

I always get the good park. I've got excellent parking energy. And I'm always like, really, baby, and she'd like you you get in the car you drive. We will drive around the block three times, but no one will say anything. Everybody is scared. Everybody has been intimidated into the fact that we have positive parkings usual, and eventually, after half an hour a parking spot will materialize and she'll go see seeing that that's the delusional piece. No, not seeing the negative, only seeing the positive.

I always get the good park. I've got excellent parking energy. And I'm always like, really, baby, and she'd like you you get in the car you drive. We will drive around the block three times, but no one will say anything. Everybody is scared. Everybody has been intimidated into the fact that we have positive parkings usual, and eventually, after half an hour a parking spot will materialize and she'll go see seeing that that's the delusional piece. No, not seeing the negative, only seeing the positive.

I think that's right. But I want to posit that this is particularly relevant in love and romance more than maybe parking or even work, in the sense that you know that old phrase it doesn't rain at pause. Anyone who's ever done a lot of dating will know that there's a real quality of momentum. When things start to pick up in your love life, then all of a sudden, everyone's interested in you. I do think that when it comes to romance, sending out a positive energy as opposed to a desperate energy, say, I think that people pick up on that.

I think that's right. But I want to posit that this is particularly relevant in love and romance more than maybe parking or even work, in the sense that you know that old phrase it doesn't rain at pause. Anyone who's ever done a lot of dating will know that there's a real quality of momentum. When things start to pick up in your love life, then all of a sudden, everyone's interested in you. I do think that when it comes to romance, sending out a positive energy as opposed to a desperate energy, say, I think that people pick up on that.

That is really I agree. I think I've got two issues with lucky girl syndrome. The first is that it is not a very connected way of living. So if you're so lucky, there are a few world conflicts that could do with your luck, and also your positive vibes, less car parks, more wishing well for others. Perhaps the second thing is the workshop element. I can explain lucky girl syndrome in about eight seconds. I don't need your workshop, so I think that there's a business flaw in this that people go lucky girl syndrome. All you have to do is believe good things will happen. It's so simple. Pay twenty eight dollars for my workshop link in bio, and I'm like, guys, you've given it away for free, Like I just don't know how much more. The life coach of it all is just bamboos link to me. I would love to know if these people are actually making any money.

That is really I agree. I think I've got two issues with lucky girl syndrome. The first is that it is not a very connected way of living. So if you're so lucky, there are a few world conflicts that could do with your luck, and also your positive vibes, less car parks, more wishing well for others. Perhaps the second thing is the workshop element. I can explain lucky girl syndrome in about eight seconds. I don't need your workshop, so I think that there's a business flaw in this that people go lucky girl syndrome. All you have to do is believe good things will happen. It's so simple. Pay twenty eight dollars for my workshop link in bio, and I'm like, guys, you've given it away for free, Like I just don't know how much more. The life coach of it all is just bamboos link to me. I would love to know if these people are actually making any money.

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That is all we have time for my friends today. And thank you out louders for being here with us. Thank you Jesse Stevens. How you feeling duck oh?

That is all we have time for my friends today. And thank you out louders for being here with us. Thank you Jesse Stevens. How you feeling duck oh?

Look getting there, getting there. But I will say I've had a really rough week with our sick kid, and I've been sick and we have needed all the distraction we can get. Maya has a new podcast and it is called how to Build a universe, and it is brilliant, especially if you are trying to keep your children. Tell me, I don't know about this, Okay. So it's Tom Lyon, who is a sound engineer. Mame. He's just he's brilliant. He has made this podcast in collaboration with Jen Muir, who is a brilliant parenting expert. And what they do is, for about ten minutes, takes you through like an imaginary world, so a forest, and you have a mission, and you come across a magical tree and a magical possum, and then this person says this, and there's like funny voices and he is you know, some people when they speak to children adopt a really sort of patronizing tone, and I've always noticed, no matter how young kids are, they can see right through it. He doesn't. He's got this gift for speaking and engaging children. I would say probably. I mean Luna's not even too and she really enjoyed it, but I would say probably up to maybe ten.