Welcome to Extra Healthy Ish. Yes, you have tuned into the big sister podcast too Healthy Ish from Body and Soul. I am Felicity Harley. Hey are you into the whole cycle sinking thing? Perhaps you have done it, you haven't done it for a while, you need a little refresher. Perhaps you're wondering what the hell it is all about. Well, I'm joining the studio by Jennifer Ward and naturopath with the Masters in Reproductive Health today to talk about how to sink your exercise food, basically your whole life around your menstrual cycle. Jin thank you for coming in today and coming on Extra Healthy Ish.

Welcome to Extra Healthy Ish. Yes, you have tuned into the big sister podcast too Healthy Ish from Body and Soul. I am Felicity Harley. Hey are you into the whole cycle sinking thing? Perhaps you have done it, you haven't done it for a while, you need a little refresher. Perhaps you're wondering what the hell it is all about. Well, I'm joining the studio by Jennifer Ward and naturopath with the Masters in Reproductive Health today to talk about how to sink your exercise food, basically your whole life around your menstrual cycle. Jin thank you for coming in today and coming on Extra Healthy Ish.

Thank you so much for having me and happy spring. Yes, I know I'm loving not having to wear shoes all the time.

Thank you so much for having me and happy spring. Yes, I know I'm loving not having to wear shoes all the time.

You're wearing all my nice Oh.

You're wearing all my nice Oh.

I cannot tell you how sick I got of wearing so many layers through winter tasks, so it's very welcome.

I cannot tell you how sick I got of wearing so many layers through winter tasks, so it's very welcome.

How are you staying extra healthy ish?

How are you staying extra healthy ish?

Oh? Look, this is a really interesting question because I have two little ones, so it's really hard. But you know, it's just doing one little thing here and there where you get the opportunity and that might be slowing down, that might be having an extra long shower.

Oh? Look, this is a really interesting question because I have two little ones, so it's really hard. But you know, it's just doing one little thing here and there where you get the opportunity and that might be slowing down, that might be having an extra long shower.

I really do what I can one and four.

I really do what I can one and four.

So it is in that challenging time, but you know, you just got to take every opportunity you can. And you know, as we were saying before, the small things mean so much At this stage, I just feel like you just have to push.

So it is in that challenging time, but you know, you just got to take every opportunity you can. And you know, as we were saying before, the small things mean so much At this stage, I just feel like you just have to push.

Through those first couple of years and then the sun shines.

Through those first couple of years and then the sun shines.

Absolutely, But I also feel I'm going to get to seventy eighty and really miss those times in my life, so you got to try to just enjoy it.

Absolutely, But I also feel I'm going to get to seventy eighty and really miss those times in my life, so you got to try to just enjoy it.

What again, what do you are you a morning routine person or what are some of the things the little one percent as you do every day too? Oh gosh, yeah, A lot of it comes down to breath. For me, I really do have to just bring myself back to my body, take a breath when I feel a little bit overwhelmed.

What again, what do you are you a morning routine person or what are some of the things the little one percent as you do every day too? Oh gosh, yeah, A lot of it comes down to breath. For me, I really do have to just bring myself back to my body, take a breath when I feel a little bit overwhelmed.

But also nature just at least getting out looking outside. I live near the beach that helps, but also just getting sunshine on me. So you know, it doesn't have to be this big bold things. Sometimes it's just staying in the shower for another minute. It's just what we can get.

But also nature just at least getting out looking outside. I live near the beach that helps, but also just getting sunshine on me. So you know, it doesn't have to be this big bold things. Sometimes it's just staying in the shower for another minute. It's just what we can get.

Really.

Really.

But as we talked about in helping each when it comes to the baker snap. Today, we're talking about cycle sinking. Now, a lot of us already know what this is. Some perhaps don't give us a refresher.

But as we talked about in helping each when it comes to the baker snap. Today, we're talking about cycle sinking. Now, a lot of us already know what this is. Some perhaps don't give us a refresher.

What's it all about?

What's it all about?

Cycle sinking is being aware of your hormones. And that sounds really tricky, but if we break it down, it's actually quite easy to understand. So there's a lot of apps in tech now that help us along the way. We might be tracking our cycle length. We might even be tracking signs of ovulation when we're bleeding, how we're feeling. This is all cycle tracking which helps us to cycle sink.

Cycle sinking is being aware of your hormones. And that sounds really tricky, but if we break it down, it's actually quite easy to understand. So there's a lot of apps in tech now that help us along the way. We might be tracking our cycle length. We might even be tracking signs of ovulation when we're bleeding, how we're feeling. This is all cycle tracking which helps us to cycle sink.

How do you then go about sinking with your cycle when you've got I mean, I think tracking is fabulous. I mean at first, you know, when I first heard the apps were popping up to track your cycles, I thought, oh no, surely not like, not another tech thing.

How do you then go about sinking with your cycle when you've got I mean, I think tracking is fabulous. I mean at first, you know, when I first heard the apps were popping up to track your cycles, I thought, oh no, surely not like, not another tech thing.

But it is just wonderful, Yeah, it really is.

But it is just wonderful, Yeah, it really is.

And so what we get out of this, you know, we think, oh yeah, whatever, I've got all this data. What does it mean is it allows us to actually understand the different phases of our cycle and how we're different in each of those phases. And that is so important as females because we're not small males, and we do have varied energy through the month, varied hormones, varied everything, so bicycle sinking. We're living more in alignment with our innate hormones and the beauty of being a woman.

And so what we get out of this, you know, we think, oh yeah, whatever, I've got all this data. What does it mean is it allows us to actually understand the different phases of our cycle and how we're different in each of those phases. And that is so important as females because we're not small males, and we do have varied energy through the month, varied hormones, varied everything, so bicycle sinking. We're living more in alignment with our innate hormones and the beauty of being a woman.

Really, yeah, exactly, And I think it gives you, once you get your head around it, it gives you permission to treat yourself with more compassion a certain times the month. That perhaps was my big learning from it all. Yeah, don't be so hard on yourself. It doesn't matter if you can't lift that weight at the gym, it doesn't matter if you're tired and you just want to go to bed. It's okay.

Really, yeah, exactly, And I think it gives you, once you get your head around it, it gives you permission to treat yourself with more compassion a certain times the month. That perhaps was my big learning from it all. Yeah, don't be so hard on yourself. It doesn't matter if you can't lift that weight at the gym, it doesn't matter if you're tired and you just want to go to bed. It's okay.

It is profoundly that because in the first half of the cycle, which we'll get to, we're feeling good, we're not feeling so sorry for ourselves. Then it's more in that premenstraal leadup that we are feeling a little bit bluh, you know. And if we understand the different phases, we can go It's okay. I'm gonna, yeah, show myself some compassion. I'm going to not go to that social event. I'm going to put on a face mask, put on my favorite music and just.

It is profoundly that because in the first half of the cycle, which we'll get to, we're feeling good, we're not feeling so sorry for ourselves. Then it's more in that premenstraal leadup that we are feeling a little bit bluh, you know. And if we understand the different phases, we can go It's okay. I'm gonna, yeah, show myself some compassion. I'm going to not go to that social event. I'm going to put on a face mask, put on my favorite music and just.

Next, yes, and that's okay.

Next, yes, and that's okay.

So talk us through the different phases of our cycle and perhaps give us a bit of an idea of what the hormones are doing at that time.

So talk us through the different phases of our cycle and perhaps give us a bit of an idea of what the hormones are doing at that time.

So there's four distinct stages. The first is menstruation, which happens from day one, So the first day of true bleeding is menstruation. But menstruation occurs within what is known as the follicular phase or the first phase, and this is where our hormones are reset after a bleat, you know, we have the bleed, everything's resetting and then we start the process of getting ready for ovulation.

So there's four distinct stages. The first is menstruation, which happens from day one, So the first day of true bleeding is menstruation. But menstruation occurs within what is known as the follicular phase or the first phase, and this is where our hormones are reset after a bleat, you know, we have the bleed, everything's resetting and then we start the process of getting ready for ovulation.

So there are.

So there are.

Two distinct hormones that help with ovulation, being LUT nineteen hormone and flicular stimulating hormone, and they need a little bit of estrogen to get them going. The third stage is ovulation, and this happens in a second but it's that lead up to ovulation where we'll talk about it in a minute, where all the magic happens. And then after ovulation, the fourth phase is the latile phase. So the latile phase is where we are getting our body prepared essentially for pregnancy, So the endometrial lining builds up we've got a nice crash pad there. The body is really ambitious. Every month it thinks we're going to get pregnant.

Two distinct hormones that help with ovulation, being LUT nineteen hormone and flicular stimulating hormone, and they need a little bit of estrogen to get them going. The third stage is ovulation, and this happens in a second but it's that lead up to ovulation where we'll talk about it in a minute, where all the magic happens. And then after ovulation, the fourth phase is the latile phase. So the latile phase is where we are getting our body prepared essentially for pregnancy, So the endometrial lining builds up we've got a nice crash pad there. The body is really ambitious. Every month it thinks we're going to get pregnant.

Body.

Body.

Yeah, you know, it doesn't stop boom boom boom, and we are setting ourselves up for that. And if it doesn't happen, which often it doesn't happen now for us, then the body starts the process of getting ready for shedding. So they're the four distinct phases, but really it's just if we're looking at it nice and straightforward, follicular and ltele phase. In the follicular phase, we might have a day or two where we're feeling not so good because we're men straight in. It might be a little bit heavier, But then we go into this time where we're feeling really good, robust. We're actually physically stronger, we're more confident, we're more social, and it's a really nice time for women to get out there and maybe go and do that job interview, or go on that date or whatever.

Yeah, you know, it doesn't stop boom boom boom, and we are setting ourselves up for that. And if it doesn't happen, which often it doesn't happen now for us, then the body starts the process of getting ready for shedding. So they're the four distinct phases, but really it's just if we're looking at it nice and straightforward, follicular and ltele phase. In the follicular phase, we might have a day or two where we're feeling not so good because we're men straight in. It might be a little bit heavier, But then we go into this time where we're feeling really good, robust. We're actually physically stronger, we're more confident, we're more social, and it's a really nice time for women to get out there and maybe go and do that job interview, or go on that date or whatever.

It may be.

It may be.

Lift heavy at the gym.

Lift heavy at the gym.

At the gym, yes, and ovulation is really happens so quickly. It's not really remarkable in how we're feeling. But some women might say they feel ovulation or they might feel a little zip of energy around that time. Everyone's a bit different there. And then the littile phase is where we are preparing the body for either implantation or the shedding of the lining. And this is where we actually do feel lower energy, We don't feel as strong. We might get this sense of wanting to nest a little bit more. But it can actually affect us physically as well. We might feel a little bit bloated, maybe have some water retention, maybe our skin changes, digestion might change. And it's not always so dramatic of an effect, but when you start to tap into it, you can start to slightly adjust perhaps your rhythms and routines surrounding it to get the most out of each phase.

At the gym, yes, and ovulation is really happens so quickly. It's not really remarkable in how we're feeling. But some women might say they feel ovulation or they might feel a little zip of energy around that time. Everyone's a bit different there. And then the littile phase is where we are preparing the body for either implantation or the shedding of the lining. And this is where we actually do feel lower energy, We don't feel as strong. We might get this sense of wanting to nest a little bit more. But it can actually affect us physically as well. We might feel a little bit bloated, maybe have some water retention, maybe our skin changes, digestion might change. And it's not always so dramatic of an effect, but when you start to tap into it, you can start to slightly adjust perhaps your rhythms and routines surrounding it to get the most out of each phase.

I just think it's wonderful we have all these insight today. I know into this because you know, if I even think back to ten years ago in my work life, we just talked about oh one period twenty eight days and off you go.

I just think it's wonderful we have all these insight today. I know into this because you know, if I even think back to ten years ago in my work life, we just talked about oh one period twenty eight days and off you go.

I know, but it's yeah, I mean, the.

I know, but it's yeah, I mean, the.

Average length of period is so varied as well, and I think that's that's one thing that obviously cycle sinking can also teach you.

Average length of period is so varied as well, and I think that's that's one thing that obviously cycle sinking can also teach you.

It is, yeah, and I always laugh when I think if I talked to my mother or my grandmother about any of this, they'd say, what are you doing? Just get on with life. But we have a very different viewpoint on women's health now, and I think it's great.

It is, yeah, and I always laugh when I think if I talked to my mother or my grandmother about any of this, they'd say, what are you doing? Just get on with life. But we have a very different viewpoint on women's health now, and I think it's great.

I'm here for.

I'm here for.

It, and it's really about that. Firstly, education understanding our body is a little bit better. But then empowerment, Well, what do we do with this information? What are we choosing to do with this information?

It, and it's really about that. Firstly, education understanding our body is a little bit better. But then empowerment, Well, what do we do with this information? What are we choosing to do with this information?

Let's talk about the empowerment. How can we sink our exercise and what we're eating to our menstrual cycle. Talked us about this and like, is it useful.

Let's talk about the empowerment. How can we sink our exercise and what we're eating to our menstrual cycle. Talked us about this and like, is it useful.

To do this?

To do this?

Yeah, it is useful, absolutely, But we don't want to, like everything be too strict. If sometimes we can't do it, it's not going to change everything. But where we have the flexibility, where we have the opportunity, it actually can work.

Yeah, it is useful, absolutely, But we don't want to, like everything be too strict. If sometimes we can't do it, it's not going to change everything. But where we have the flexibility, where we have the opportunity, it actually can work.

Wonders.

Wonders.

So, as you mentioned, bodybuilding, weightlifting, plart is, whatever exercise you're doing, you're probably going to be more productive, get more gains all the rest around that time of really when you're finishing up on bleeding up until around the time of ovulation. And you'll notice this. Now if you start tracking if you're going to the gym some days where you go, oh, I just don't feel quite right. You might be in the lutell phase as opposed to preovulation. I mean, I feel like I can take on anything at that time, and I love it. I really do try to utilize it as best I can do.

So, as you mentioned, bodybuilding, weightlifting, plart is, whatever exercise you're doing, you're probably going to be more productive, get more gains all the rest around that time of really when you're finishing up on bleeding up until around the time of ovulation. And you'll notice this. Now if you start tracking if you're going to the gym some days where you go, oh, I just don't feel quite right. You might be in the lutell phase as opposed to preovulation. I mean, I feel like I can take on anything at that time, and I love it. I really do try to utilize it as best I can do.

You know, just I'm just going to intro it for a second. I'm as some listens might know, I'm training for half marathon, and I get a bit obsessive about my metrics, and so I've already looked to see, Okay, where am I going to be in my face when the race is happening.

You know, just I'm just going to intro it for a second. I'm as some listens might know, I'm training for half marathon, and I get a bit obsessive about my metrics, and so I've already looked to see, Okay, where am I going to be in my face when the race is happening.

You got to do it, and I've got to do it. Oh, that's so amazing.

You got to do it, and I've got to do it. Oh, that's so amazing.

Interestingly, a lot of the women who were at the Olympics have PCOSS. Just a little side note, and PCOS is characterized by a higher amount of testosterone, which actually is what happens around the time of ovulation and can contribute to us.

Interestingly, a lot of the women who were at the Olympics have PCOSS. Just a little side note, and PCOS is characterized by a higher amount of testosterone, which actually is what happens around the time of ovulation and can contribute to us.

Feeling stronger around that time.

Feeling stronger around that time.

So a lot of the women there are actually stronger and faster because of their hormones, and it just so happens to be slightly out of.

So a lot of the women there are actually stronger and faster because of their hormones, and it just so happens to be slightly out of.

Whag we'll be back after the shortbreak with more from Gin. What about when it comes to our you know, eating styles and our diet uns.

Whag we'll be back after the shortbreak with more from Gin. What about when it comes to our you know, eating styles and our diet uns.

Yeah, yeah, cycle thinking.

Yeah, yeah, cycle thinking.

So what we want to be thinking here is what do we need in each and absolutely with food, we need more calories in in our second half of the cycle, but that's often when we start to restrict because not feeling as good. So loading up on protein at that time is a really good way to not just get more calories in, but also balance blood sugars, which can go out a little bit at that time. In the flickular phase, we might feel a little bit lighter, we might not feel as overly hungry, you know, we may not not be focusing on as much. Just a balanced diet in that time can be really useful. There are some theories around seed cycling if you want to jump into that kind of next level, but I usually just say have balanced diet, but particularly in the lutell phase, having a little bit more energy in and that might be a protein snack through the day that just helps to balance those sugars, helps to balance mood, etc. Through that time, which is a bit more challenging. With exercise, we might want to do some more intense ex that are exercising the lead up to ovulation, and then in the lead up to menstrual bleed, we might actually want to do low intensity. It might be a good time to do yin yoga, go for a walk, go for a swim. Now there's a variation. They're depending on what else is going on with your health and your body. But you might notice that when you start tuning in with that and adjusting your schedule, you enjoy exercise more, You get more out of it, You have less guilt to oh, why am I not lifting as much in that time?

So what we want to be thinking here is what do we need in each and absolutely with food, we need more calories in in our second half of the cycle, but that's often when we start to restrict because not feeling as good. So loading up on protein at that time is a really good way to not just get more calories in, but also balance blood sugars, which can go out a little bit at that time. In the flickular phase, we might feel a little bit lighter, we might not feel as overly hungry, you know, we may not not be focusing on as much. Just a balanced diet in that time can be really useful. There are some theories around seed cycling if you want to jump into that kind of next level, but I usually just say have balanced diet, but particularly in the lutell phase, having a little bit more energy in and that might be a protein snack through the day that just helps to balance those sugars, helps to balance mood, etc. Through that time, which is a bit more challenging. With exercise, we might want to do some more intense ex that are exercising the lead up to ovulation, and then in the lead up to menstrual bleed, we might actually want to do low intensity. It might be a good time to do yin yoga, go for a walk, go for a swim. Now there's a variation. They're depending on what else is going on with your health and your body. But you might notice that when you start tuning in with that and adjusting your schedule, you enjoy exercise more, You get more out of it, You have less guilt to oh, why am I not lifting as much in that time?

I mean, yeah, I have this.

I mean, yeah, I have this.

Self talk, don't we You can run faster, but then you can do it. You can go harder and then you and then you might look at and you're like, oh no, actually I can't and that's okay.

Self talk, don't we You can run faster, but then you can do it. You can go harder and then you and then you might look at and you're like, oh no, actually I can't and that's okay.

And that's okay.

And that's okay.

Absolutely, there is so much benefit for our body, for our mind when we slow down, and hey, we don't want to slow down pre ovulatory go for gold, but then come toward our menstrual cycle, really indulge in it, enjoy it, and understand that both have their place.

Absolutely, there is so much benefit for our body, for our mind when we slow down, and hey, we don't want to slow down pre ovulatory go for gold, but then come toward our menstrual cycle, really indulge in it, enjoy it, and understand that both have their place.

Are there any particular I mean, should every woman do this or I mean we're obviously speaking to the general you know, woman or there at specific times in life where and it can really help help us out or perhaps we should it take our foot off the accelerator.

Are there any particular I mean, should every woman do this or I mean we're obviously speaking to the general you know, woman or there at specific times in life where and it can really help help us out or perhaps we should it take our foot off the accelerator.

Yes, yeah, look, it can benefit anyone. I would say, though, when you're really young, your cycle's a little bit more variable, so it's a little bit harder to track. And I'm talking very young fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, so really from about twenty when your hormones have started to regulate, it's a really nice time to start. And then really through the span, when you get toward your perhaps forties fifties, there'll be some cycle changes, but it's really important to be aware of it then too, because that's where it affects, particularly the way we adapt or respond to stress, our energy levels, et cetera. And if you're doing this in your earlier twenties, you're really just prepping yourself if you choose to have a family, for understanding, well, you know, how can I feel pregnant? When's the fertile window? What's my hormones actually doing? Because if we're not doing it, this is always the case when I see my patients, I'm having to educate them around this for the sake of starting a family. So really it's accessible to anyone. They can start it straight away. The benefits are instant once we start to understand what's actually going on with our hormones and how does that impact my mood, my health, my physical body. Yeah, I feel like a lot of women come into it when they are trying to get pregnant or that comes on the radar. Then you really have to start understanding what's going on.

Yes, yeah, look, it can benefit anyone. I would say, though, when you're really young, your cycle's a little bit more variable, so it's a little bit harder to track. And I'm talking very young fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, so really from about twenty when your hormones have started to regulate, it's a really nice time to start. And then really through the span, when you get toward your perhaps forties fifties, there'll be some cycle changes, but it's really important to be aware of it then too, because that's where it affects, particularly the way we adapt or respond to stress, our energy levels, et cetera. And if you're doing this in your earlier twenties, you're really just prepping yourself if you choose to have a family, for understanding, well, you know, how can I feel pregnant? When's the fertile window? What's my hormones actually doing? Because if we're not doing it, this is always the case when I see my patients, I'm having to educate them around this for the sake of starting a family. So really it's accessible to anyone. They can start it straight away. The benefits are instant once we start to understand what's actually going on with our hormones and how does that impact my mood, my health, my physical body. Yeah, I feel like a lot of women come into it when they are trying to get pregnant or that comes on the radar. Then you really have to start understanding what's going on.

Yeah, you do.

Yeah, you do.

You really have to start, because otherwise, I mean, you won't know when to try and what is the reason and all the rest.

You really have to start, because otherwise, I mean, you won't know when to try and what is the reason and all the rest.

So do you cycle sync?

So do you cycle sync?

Yes? I do.

Yes? I do.

I have been doing it for long enough now that I'm aware of my physical signs and symptoms to tell me where I'm at. But it's really important because you know, as a mom, I went through a stressful time back in February and I stopped noticing some of those physical signs and symptoms. So I was able to then go, well, my body's under stress and pressure. I need to actually nourish it more over the next couple months to get those signs and symptoms back. So it really helps us to navigate our health because menstrual health is really the cornerstone of women's health. If we're not ovulating, then the body's trying to tell us something and we've got to listen to that and adapt accordingly.

I have been doing it for long enough now that I'm aware of my physical signs and symptoms to tell me where I'm at. But it's really important because you know, as a mom, I went through a stressful time back in February and I stopped noticing some of those physical signs and symptoms. So I was able to then go, well, my body's under stress and pressure. I need to actually nourish it more over the next couple months to get those signs and symptoms back. So it really helps us to navigate our health because menstrual health is really the cornerstone of women's health. If we're not ovulating, then the body's trying to tell us something and we've got to listen to that and adapt accordingly.

And we don't know yet, do we.

And we don't know yet, do we.

Well, we don't really.

Well, we don't really.

We used to think that we ovulated every month or every second month, but now it's just so varied and from different sides.

We used to think that we ovulated every month or every second month, but now it's just so varied and from different sides.

Yeah, yeah, it's quite interesting. We can have a dominant side as well, and it changes over the years, and you can have a cycle where you're not ovulating. You want to be ovulating most cycles though, if you're in those core reproductive years. But there are so many cues and clues in our physical body, our energy included, that can tell us if we are or not. Then all the wearables as well.

Yeah, yeah, it's quite interesting. We can have a dominant side as well, and it changes over the years, and you can have a cycle where you're not ovulating. You want to be ovulating most cycles though, if you're in those core reproductive years. But there are so many cues and clues in our physical body, our energy included, that can tell us if we are or not. Then all the wearables as well.

Yeah, what did you do to help lower your stress during that period?

Yeah, what did you do to help lower your stress during that period?

A lot of it comes down to nutrition.

A lot of it comes down to nutrition.

For me, So when I'm stressed, I eat less, which is not ideal for your hormones. So being a little bit more regimented with nourishing my body at every point meal times and snacks and otherwise. And I also decrease the intensity of my exercise, not that I'm doing a lot and running marathons, but just being mindful of not overloading my body, not stressing it out too much. And for me, it actually took about three four months to get it back to where I want it to be. So it's quite significant how much stress can influence our hormones, but also really significant in the ways in which we can bring it back to good health through simply food and lifestyle.

For me, So when I'm stressed, I eat less, which is not ideal for your hormones. So being a little bit more regimented with nourishing my body at every point meal times and snacks and otherwise. And I also decrease the intensity of my exercise, not that I'm doing a lot and running marathons, but just being mindful of not overloading my body, not stressing it out too much. And for me, it actually took about three four months to get it back to where I want it to be. So it's quite significant how much stress can influence our hormones, but also really significant in the ways in which we can bring it back to good health through simply food and lifestyle.

And that just takes a bit of time.

And that just takes a bit of time.

It can take. It's really individual.

It can take. It's really individual.

It can just be a little blip, you know, one month, but I felt for me it was probably about three four months and it was back on track and now I'm feeling good again.

It can just be a little blip, you know, one month, but I felt for me it was probably about three four months and it was back on track and now I'm feeling good again.

Well, nice to have you. Thank you for coming in. Glad you're feeling good. And yeah, thanks for shedding a light on the whole cycle sinking thing.

Well, nice to have you. Thank you for coming in. Glad you're feeling good. And yeah, thanks for shedding a light on the whole cycle sinking thing.

Thank you so much for having me. It's pleasure talking on this.

Thank you so much for having me. It's pleasure talking on this.

Hope you enjoyed this chat as much as I enjoyed interviewing Jen. I found it well, very interesting and a good reminder get back on the cycle sinking bandwagon, because hey, it makes for more energy and just a better you, and that's what we all want. Tell us if you did like this chat, rate and reviewed, or of course, subscribe to this podcast anything else hered to Body and Soul dot com, dot you follows on socials. Grab our print edition, which is out in your local Sunday paper. Thank you again for listening, and stay extra healthy.

Hope you enjoyed this chat as much as I enjoyed interviewing Jen. I found it well, very interesting and a good reminder get back on the cycle sinking bandwagon, because hey, it makes for more energy and just a better you, and that's what we all want. Tell us if you did like this chat, rate and reviewed, or of course, subscribe to this podcast anything else hered to Body and Soul dot com, dot you follows on socials. Grab our print edition, which is out in your local Sunday paper. Thank you again for listening, and stay extra healthy.