It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue, Joe Grande and Marken Craig Wasserman the Pot Brothers at Law. We're the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis.

It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue, Joe Grande and Marken Craig Wasserman the Pot Brothers at Law. We're the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis.

Hello and welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one. Mo Nay's Blue. Alongside of me is the world famous Joe Grande. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. It' took pleasure and mister world famous Craig Wasserman from the Pot Brothers at Law. Missing today is mister little Brother. We do miss him as he's out there surfing in with he's surfing. I seen him with the shirt off yesterday. He had his shirt off. He was trying to go live with his shirt off. People were like, yo, put that back on, bro. They were calling him Casper the friendly Ghost, and they said he had a machete and all kinds of which stuff. They're like, I think he's got a machete under those shorts. It was fun either way. We have a big brother here and that's all that counts. Actually, that's all matters. But you say, goes what comes to the poppers?

Hello and welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one. Mo Nay's Blue. Alongside of me is the world famous Joe Grande. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. It' took pleasure and mister world famous Craig Wasserman from the Pot Brothers at Law. Missing today is mister little Brother. We do miss him as he's out there surfing in with he's surfing. I seen him with the shirt off yesterday. He had his shirt off. He was trying to go live with his shirt off. People were like, yo, put that back on, bro. They were calling him Casper the friendly Ghost, and they said he had a machete and all kinds of which stuff. They're like, I think he's got a machete under those shorts. It was fun either way. We have a big brother here and that's all that counts. Actually, that's all matters. But you say, goes what comes to the poppers?

That's right.

That's right.

Listen, Well, we have an amazing show for you, Joe, let us know what's going well. I want to thank everybody for.

Listen, Well, we have an amazing show for you, Joe, let us know what's going well. I want to thank everybody for.

Listening to the podcast Cannabis Talk one on one, and of course if you ever want to be a part of the show, we love playing your voicemails. Eight hundred four twenty nineteen eighty. That number again is eight hundred four to twenty nineteen eighty. Make sure you check out our Instagram pages Cannabis Talk one on one. The Pop Brothers Out of Law are at Pop Underscore, Brothers Underscore at Underscore. Law Mark is at was Law right here, Big Brothers at Wasslaw, dog My Man Blue is at one. Christopher Wright I am at Joe Grande fifty two. Make sure you go check us out. And today on the show, we have a brother from Oakland who I.

Listening to the podcast Cannabis Talk one on one, and of course if you ever want to be a part of the show, we love playing your voicemails. Eight hundred four twenty nineteen eighty. That number again is eight hundred four to twenty nineteen eighty. Make sure you check out our Instagram pages Cannabis Talk one on one. The Pop Brothers Out of Law are at Pop Underscore, Brothers Underscore at Underscore. Law Mark is at was Law right here, Big Brothers at Wasslaw, dog My Man Blue is at one. Christopher Wright I am at Joe Grande fifty two. Make sure you go check us out. And today on the show, we have a brother from Oakland who I.

Love like my own brother.

Love like my own brother.

We've never slapped hands, or maybe we did back in the day, but I was so high and maybe we're at the sound factor somewhere else and I can't recall. But Tucky Blunt aka Government named Alfonso. He's the co owner of Blunts and More and Proud Papua's Clothing. Now, this is what's dope about this cat. He's the first person to open a dispensary in Oakland under the Social Equity Act. And if I'm not mistaken, is it Oakland?

We've never slapped hands, or maybe we did back in the day, but I was so high and maybe we're at the sound factor somewhere else and I can't recall. But Tucky Blunt aka Government named Alfonso. He's the co owner of Blunts and More and Proud Papua's Clothing. Now, this is what's dope about this cat. He's the first person to open a dispensary in Oakland under the Social Equity Act. And if I'm not mistaken, is it Oakland?

Are the world the world?

Are the world the world?

Yes, the first person in the world open. We're gonna get to that story. If you want to check them out on Instagram, it's Tucky Blunt eighty on Twitter Blunt Tucky. We're gonna talk about black ownership and cannabis and welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one, sir, how you doing, brother.

Yes, the first person in the world open. We're gonna get to that story. If you want to check them out on Instagram, it's Tucky Blunt eighty on Twitter Blunt Tucky. We're gonna talk about black ownership and cannabis and welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one, sir, how you doing, brother.

Man Man, thank you for having me. It's an honor and a privilege, So I'm great. I'm a static.

Man Man, thank you for having me. It's an honor and a privilege, So I'm great. I'm a static.

Actually, it's really good.

Actually, it's really good.

I've loved seeing you interview with our brother sway and doing your thing there and all over the globe, getting all your national recognition. But one thing off top is, you know you get popped back in the day, and to be a social equity owner you have to have a criminal record. When I did the research on you, dog to think you got busted.

I've loved seeing you interview with our brother sway and doing your thing there and all over the globe, getting all your national recognition. But one thing off top is, you know you get popped back in the day, and to be a social equity owner you have to have a criminal record. When I did the research on you, dog to think you got busted.

For eighty dollars. We're the weed man, That's what gave me the record. Let's tell about that.

For eighty dollars. We're the weed man, That's what gave me the record. Let's tell about that.

So that particular day, had they came about an hour earlier, total different circumstances, but but that.

So that particular day, had they came about an hour earlier, total different circumstances, but but that.

Particular day shooting range. Yeah, he I came a.

Particular day shooting range. Yeah, he I came a.

Little earlier, but I was getting back from the shooting range. I had a thing that I would do three times a week with one of the people I would buy my product from. We would always go to the shooting range after we did our transactions or whatever.

Little earlier, but I was getting back from the shooting range. I had a thing that I would do three times a week with one of the people I would buy my product from. We would always go to the shooting range after we did our transactions or whatever.

And he dropped me off like normal.

And he dropped me off like normal.

Not even three minutes later, cop pull up, we heard your car your description has a gun and a weed in the car.

Not even three minutes later, cop pull up, we heard your car your description has a gun and a weed in the car.

So at the time I didn't know the script.

So at the time I didn't know the script.

I had never been interacted with police ever in that nature, so I just kind of like froze, wait a minute, I sound crazy.

I had never been interacted with police ever in that nature, so I just kind of like froze, wait a minute, I sound crazy.

Well you sound good.

Well you sound good.

You're good over here. Okay, No we can we can't hear you.

You're good over here. Okay, No we can we can't hear you.

Okay, hold on, got you, We got you? Okay, cool cool Cool.

Okay, hold on, got you, We got you? Okay, cool cool Cool.

Might have been the headphones, so I kind of panicked them, kind of like asking him question like what you arrested me for or whatever. So long story short, I had a gun in the car. I had about eight bags a week, and I saw weed pastries at the time, so I had like Harry cakes and banana nut breads, talking with chip cookies, all kind of stuff. So they took it. The dude took me to jail. I got fellory probation. Uh, ten years of felony probation for eighty dollars worth a week.

Might have been the headphones, so I kind of panicked them, kind of like asking him question like what you arrested me for or whatever. So long story short, I had a gun in the car. I had about eight bags a week, and I saw weed pastries at the time, so I had like Harry cakes and banana nut breads, talking with chip cookies, all kind of stuff. So they took it. The dude took me to jail. I got fellory probation. Uh, ten years of felony probation for eighty dollars worth a week.

Was the gun yours.

Was the gun yours.

They didn't write up on the gain.

They didn't write up on the gain.

Mine registered to me, registered to the address that.

Mine registered to me, registered to the address that.

I was in front of because I was working to be a probation officer. I started work with Alameda County the monday after.

I was in front of because I was working to be a probation officer. I started work with Alameda County the monday after.

They arrested me.

They arrested me.

Wow.

Wow.

I ended up seeing the arresting officer on my first day at lunch walking in and build it. I'm like, I told you ILL worked for the county. He was like, wow, So yeah.

I ended up seeing the arresting officer on my first day at lunch walking in and build it. I'm like, I told you ILL worked for the county. He was like, wow, So yeah.

I can't go back and get that.

I can't go back and get that.

Luckily there was no gun charge.

Luckily there was no gun charge.

That that's that was.

That that's that was.

Oh no, No, I got charged with the gun in the week. I got charge of both.

Oh no, No, I got charged with the gun in the week. I got charge of both.

Oh you did, but they dropped That's why I.

Oh you did, but they dropped That's why I.

Got charged with the Yeah.

Got charged with the Yeah.

I ended up getting everything dropped, sealed, expunged. Like I can go get a gun again. I can go like my life is back from Charlie valid again. But you know, I got gun and weed charges, and that's how I ended up getting the ten years of felony probation. Back then in Oakland, if you called a case of any type the mandatory minimum was the felay minimum, five years of felony probation. They were trying to get out to everybody. I got ten because I had two cases. And then they was a little leaning and I guess because they seem I wasn't like a They didn't know me as a dope dealer, you know what I'm saying. They just happened to get some information on me and caught me. They would have never caught me how I got snation.

I ended up getting everything dropped, sealed, expunged. Like I can go get a gun again. I can go like my life is back from Charlie valid again. But you know, I got gun and weed charges, and that's how I ended up getting the ten years of felony probation. Back then in Oakland, if you called a case of any type the mandatory minimum was the felay minimum, five years of felony probation. They were trying to get out to everybody. I got ten because I had two cases. And then they was a little leaning and I guess because they seem I wasn't like a They didn't know me as a dope dealer, you know what I'm saying. They just happened to get some information on me and caught me. They would have never caught me how I got snation.

You know what I mean? Right? You know one of the things Oakland, you know, speaking of Oakland, is that's your hometown born a race, you know, you know right there on uh where Oaksterdam University is or was I'm not Yeah, right across the street there's a there's a dispensary there. Are you familiar with Are you familiar with that one?

You know what I mean? Right? You know one of the things Oakland, you know, speaking of Oakland, is that's your hometown born a race, you know, you know right there on uh where Oaksterdam University is or was I'm not Yeah, right across the street there's a there's a dispensary there. Are you familiar with Are you familiar with that one?

Yes?

Yes?

Okay, So that that dispensary, Man, I went there one time. There's a little cafe and they had no no, no, no. My buddies, all my buddies all worked you know with those guys or something for a long time, years and years ago, and I was out there, you know, getting into some trouble, you know, trying to figure out to you know, get some stuff back or whatever. But we were at that dispensary and I remember it was just so there was such a huge line from you know, all the way down the street and around the corner on that damn place. And I ended up getting in there and taking one hershey kiss, like a little hershey kiss thing that they had. It was like a hash kiss or something like that. And I was sitting inside of a little cafe that's right there, and I remember sitting there going, man, this this this place is a rough town. Oh you know what I'm saying. Oakland ain't no joke, bro, you know what they say. It's just like Compton. I mean, it's it's a rough town in Oakland. Man. So you know, growing up out there must have been must have been crazy, especially in the cannabis industry. You know. Tell us about your five kids, man.

Okay, So that that dispensary, Man, I went there one time. There's a little cafe and they had no no, no, no. My buddies, all my buddies all worked you know with those guys or something for a long time, years and years ago, and I was out there, you know, getting into some trouble, you know, trying to figure out to you know, get some stuff back or whatever. But we were at that dispensary and I remember it was just so there was such a huge line from you know, all the way down the street and around the corner on that damn place. And I ended up getting in there and taking one hershey kiss, like a little hershey kiss thing that they had. It was like a hash kiss or something like that. And I was sitting inside of a little cafe that's right there, and I remember sitting there going, man, this this this place is a rough town. Oh you know what I'm saying. Oakland ain't no joke, bro, you know what they say. It's just like Compton. I mean, it's it's a rough town in Oakland. Man. So you know, growing up out there must have been must have been crazy, especially in the cannabis industry. You know. Tell us about your five kids, man.

Oh man, what you said?

Oh man, what you said?

Been talking to one all day. My fifteen year old, he's a hoop scholar.

Been talking to one all day. My fifteen year old, he's a hoop scholar.

But five kids. Oldest is twenty one, youngest is twelve.

But five kids. Oldest is twenty one, youngest is twelve.

I got twenty one, twenty, nineteen, fifteen and twelve.

I got twenty one, twenty, nineteen, fifteen and twelve.

Three boys, two girls, so they all over the place.

Three boys, two girls, so they all over the place.

And yeah, they I got three of them out of my house already, so they've grown doing the thing. I'm not a grandfather yet, right man. They they chilling. My daughter's in aspiring DJ. She's really really good at DJ. And my baby and then my son I've been talking to in the room all day. He's like, I mean this with with with as a dad, you know, you don't want to give too much props. He's raw in basketball and he's a four point zero student, so.

And yeah, they I got three of them out of my house already, so they've grown doing the thing. I'm not a grandfather yet, right man. They they chilling. My daughter's in aspiring DJ. She's really really good at DJ. And my baby and then my son I've been talking to in the room all day. He's like, I mean this with with with as a dad, you know, you don't want to give too much props. He's raw in basketball and he's a four point zero student, so.

You singing lost in him? Uh, he's just like his pops when it comes to scholastics.

You singing lost in him? Uh, he's just like his pops when it comes to scholastics.

I mean, I don't know that just got right here, Alfonzo aka Tucky Blunt. I was gonna bring it up, but Cassidy to recognize when somebody gets a four point zero, Hi, you know what I mean, when you carry that, that shows a lot of just charisma of being able to buckle down. Because I never had a four point zero period. I think my highest was a three five and I cheated to get that, you know what I'm saying.

I mean, I don't know that just got right here, Alfonzo aka Tucky Blunt. I was gonna bring it up, but Cassidy to recognize when somebody gets a four point zero, Hi, you know what I mean, when you carry that, that shows a lot of just charisma of being able to buckle down. Because I never had a four point zero period. I think my highest was a three five and I cheated to get that, you know what I'm saying.

It wasn't like I deserved it.

It wasn't like I deserved it.

But I mean, does school did school come easy for you? Because I mean, how did you pull off a four point Oh?

But I mean, does school did school come easy for you? Because I mean, how did you pull off a four point Oh?

I say, for me, school was always easy, and I get this to my mom. My dad helped me a lot too, but I'm gonna give this specifically to my mom. She had me training on like a little it was like a not cardboard, but a like my construction paper.

I say, for me, school was always easy, and I get this to my mom. My dad helped me a lot too, but I'm gonna give this specifically to my mom. She had me training on like a little it was like a not cardboard, but a like my construction paper.

It's thicker to construction paper.

It's thicker to construction paper.

But she made a chart, had the numbers two one hundred, the months of the year, the days of the year, I mean the days of the week or whatever, had five timetables, ten times tables, just a bunch of different stuff on it.

But she made a chart, had the numbers two one hundred, the months of the year, the days of the year, I mean the days of the week or whatever, had five timetables, ten times tables, just a bunch of different stuff on it.

And she started teaching that like two years old.

And she started teaching that like two years old.

And once I got to school, it was just I skipped the grade in elementary and school was always like school to me was how I got out to go do my freedom. So if I can bring home straight a's, I can go do whatever I want to do. Because as long as I'm bringing my good grades home, my parents wouldn't do what I wanted to do. So it was like, all right, I can do grades, I can sell weed, I can work, and all I gotta do is just go to school and bring you four point ohers.

And once I got to school, it was just I skipped the grade in elementary and school was always like school to me was how I got out to go do my freedom. So if I can bring home straight a's, I can go do whatever I want to do. Because as long as I'm bringing my good grades home, my parents wouldn't do what I wanted to do. So it was like, all right, I can do grades, I can sell weed, I can work, and all I gotta do is just go to school and bring you four point ohers.

Oh, I can do that. And it was easy, Like I like to learn, so sure.

Oh, I can do that. And it was easy, Like I like to learn, so sure.

So I mean, do you do you think it's it's horrible to even think about the silver lining, the blessing in disguise. Do you think you'd be an owner of dispensary today if it had not been for that bust.

So I mean, do you do you think it's it's horrible to even think about the silver lining, the blessing in disguise. Do you think you'd be an owner of dispensary today if it had not been for that bust.

No, I wouldn't be.

No, I wouldn't be.

No, I wouldn't even I no way know how would have even.

No, I wouldn't even I no way know how would have even.

I would have never got caught.

I would have never got caught.

I would never qualified as an equity candidate because I had been selling weed for nine years with no police interaction. Because of how I sold my weed, I was never thumb man, but I was um man, you know what I'm saying. So I would have just kept level and being cool. I saw most of my weed at places.

I would never qualified as an equity candidate because I had been selling weed for nine years with no police interaction. Because of how I sold my weed, I was never thumb man, but I was um man, you know what I'm saying. So I would have just kept level and being cool. I saw most of my weed at places.

I worked, so right right now, a lot of people do that blunts and more. Is your is your dispensary, and you also have the pop u Proud Papa's clothing. Let's talk about that for a minute. Let's let you know. I believe you guys do donations, and you know you're giving back to the community as well. So I want to hear a little bit about that.

I worked, so right right now, a lot of people do that blunts and more. Is your is your dispensary, and you also have the pop u Proud Papa's clothing. Let's talk about that for a minute. Let's let you know. I believe you guys do donations, and you know you're giving back to the community as well. So I want to hear a little bit about that.

Okay. So Proud Pappas was something I started in twenty thirteen, sitting at my desk Alameda County. I just I woke up one day and was like, man, I would love to see a shirt with a silhouette of a black father with some kids. So I googled black father silhouettes. Everything you could tell was a white person, no offense or whatever. But I was like, what can I do about that? Created Proud Papas, made a silhouette, did a movement, help fathers fill out paperwork, and there's different things they need to do. Been going on for a while. Kind of had to put it on the back burner because of blunts and more with it being a dispensary and would be trying to get the message that people like us can own a successful space and franchise. That's kind of like taking a little more of importance as of right now.

Okay. So Proud Pappas was something I started in twenty thirteen, sitting at my desk Alameda County. I just I woke up one day and was like, man, I would love to see a shirt with a silhouette of a black father with some kids. So I googled black father silhouettes. Everything you could tell was a white person, no offense or whatever. But I was like, what can I do about that? Created Proud Papas, made a silhouette, did a movement, help fathers fill out paperwork, and there's different things they need to do. Been going on for a while. Kind of had to put it on the back burner because of blunts and more with it being a dispensary and would be trying to get the message that people like us can own a successful space and franchise. That's kind of like taking a little more of importance as of right now.

As far as.

As far as.

Giving back, we just put on a big event, caught the I got five on the United Rebuild or we raised money for other dispensaries that were burglarized doing all the uprising behind George Floyd Martter, and we ended up giving back upwards around twenty twenty five thousand to four, four or five different dispensaries within the Bay Area.

Giving back, we just put on a big event, caught the I got five on the United Rebuild or we raised money for other dispensaries that were burglarized doing all the uprising behind George Floyd Martter, and we ended up giving back upwards around twenty twenty five thousand to four, four or five different dispensaries within the Bay Area.

Let me ask you this, I'm really go ahead, no, no, go on, you can finish. So sorry about that.

Let me ask you this, I'm really go ahead, no, no, go on, you can finish. So sorry about that.

I was gonna say, I'm just real big on.

I was gonna say, I'm just real big on.

Helping the community, giving back.

Helping the community, giving back.

And the way that I grew up in Oakland, the community I grew up.

And the way that I grew up in Oakland, the community I grew up.

I'm forty, so I grew up in the era of us helping each other, us working together, and us using violence as a teachable moment instead of a reason to be more violent.

I'm forty, so I grew up in the era of us helping each other, us working together, and us using violence as a teachable moment instead of a reason to be more violent.

So yeah, going back that far into the cannabis community, I mean it's I mean, people did business a certain way back then in that market, and if you've been in it that long and you you know, you were straight up you were going to have a pretty long, long career in it and business in it, and hopefully that rolls over into today's market where you get a lot of people outside the cannabis community as we know it in California coming in, putting in seven eight million dollars and losing their asks because they don't know what they're doing. How how much of a road was it? Because I deal with social equity applicants, I represent several of them here in Los Angeles, and it's been a.

So yeah, going back that far into the cannabis community, I mean it's I mean, people did business a certain way back then in that market, and if you've been in it that long and you you know, you were straight up you were going to have a pretty long, long career in it and business in it, and hopefully that rolls over into today's market where you get a lot of people outside the cannabis community as we know it in California coming in, putting in seven eight million dollars and losing their asks because they don't know what they're doing. How how much of a road was it? Because I deal with social equity applicants, I represent several of them here in Los Angeles, and it's been a.

Good cluster offline.

Good cluster offline.

We should talk absolutely, I'm knee deep in it here and I represent the actual seas themselves against the big corporations trying to fuck them predatory practices. And I'm sure you're aware of what's going on in LA. It's what a mess it's been. How How long was the was the road from when you started the process to when you opened up in November of eighteen?

We should talk absolutely, I'm knee deep in it here and I represent the actual seas themselves against the big corporations trying to fuck them predatory practices. And I'm sure you're aware of what's going on in LA. It's what a mess it's been. How How long was the was the road from when you started the process to when you opened up in November of eighteen?

Okay, so for us we have a like a spiritual life store.

Okay, so for us we have a like a spiritual life store.

How everything happened, It wouldn't have happened this way, but it happened. We got our license, won a lottery in January of what year? January January of seventeen. Yeah, so January seventeen, you win the license. You have to then find property money, all of that because you gave a poor person a license and a billion dollar industry and no information on what to do. So I actually no, it was eighteen. It was eighteen. It was eighteen January of eighteen. So yeah, we got this license. I had a bunch of people come in and try to offer me deals. I had to have a heart try to buy me out, just you know, different than usual suspects, and I was like, no, I knew my work. Which will get to I'm sure we'll get to the point about the equity program in the pros and cons.

How everything happened, It wouldn't have happened this way, but it happened. We got our license, won a lottery in January of what year? January January of seventeen. Yeah, so January seventeen, you win the license. You have to then find property money, all of that because you gave a poor person a license and a billion dollar industry and no information on what to do. So I actually no, it was eighteen. It was eighteen. It was eighteen January of eighteen. So yeah, we got this license. I had a bunch of people come in and try to offer me deals. I had to have a heart try to buy me out, just you know, different than usual suspects, and I was like, no, I knew my work. Which will get to I'm sure we'll get to the point about the equity program in the pros and cons.

One of them is knowing your work and you know, having an education on your work. But we did that.

One of them is knowing your work and you know, having an education on your work. But we did that.

We had a bunch of people try to give us properties that had leans on them.

We had a bunch of people try to give us properties that had leans on them.

It was just crazy.

It was just crazy.

There was a property we had looked at in Oakland that I knew was a value because it was directly across the street from the Oakland Coliseum and it was a growth operation from a company called Grizzly Peak and they had retail space. They applied for a license for the retail but they got it. They applied for a general license, didn't get it, but they still have the space. So it was like, well, hey, how can we work out the deal so we can get the space, y'all can grow, y'all weed and we can be a happy marriage. We worked on that from March until we opened November eighteen. They gave a startup capital in the loan and to get any equity in the store, no ownership or anything. We strategically increased certain other things that we'll pay them for, like with them being the landlord. Sure can't like say everything, but we increased ways to pay them that way, and then also made agreements to buy product from them and allowed them to be our management team as far as hiring and firing. But there were stipulations in that if they didn't do a B and C, buy D C, D E and F, we can cut that part out, and stuff happening. We end up cutting that part out, so we're not even tied that way anymore. It's just straight landlord tenant and then pay back our loan. But normal general equity applicants aren't going to have that business savvy to have that conversation to negotiate that deal.

There was a property we had looked at in Oakland that I knew was a value because it was directly across the street from the Oakland Coliseum and it was a growth operation from a company called Grizzly Peak and they had retail space. They applied for a license for the retail but they got it. They applied for a general license, didn't get it, but they still have the space. So it was like, well, hey, how can we work out the deal so we can get the space, y'all can grow, y'all weed and we can be a happy marriage. We worked on that from March until we opened November eighteen. They gave a startup capital in the loan and to get any equity in the store, no ownership or anything. We strategically increased certain other things that we'll pay them for, like with them being the landlord. Sure can't like say everything, but we increased ways to pay them that way, and then also made agreements to buy product from them and allowed them to be our management team as far as hiring and firing. But there were stipulations in that if they didn't do a B and C, buy D C, D E and F, we can cut that part out, and stuff happening. We end up cutting that part out, so we're not even tied that way anymore. It's just straight landlord tenant and then pay back our loan. But normal general equity applicants aren't going to have that business savvy to have that conversation to negotiate that deal.

You know what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying.

We were like in a spiritual circumstance because I'm smart, have businesses know how to talk. Bring me was smart, come from the cannabis background. We were able to come in that room and be black, and y'all not know we black, you know what I'm saying. Whereas other people who have a poor person licened the billond out industry that's never made more than you know, thirty thousand dollars in their.

We were like in a spiritual circumstance because I'm smart, have businesses know how to talk. Bring me was smart, come from the cannabis background. We were able to come in that room and be black, and y'all not know we black, you know what I'm saying. Whereas other people who have a poor person licened the billond out industry that's never made more than you know, thirty thousand dollars in their.

Life, they're going to sign it away for whatever they can get.

Life, they're going to sign it away for whatever they can get.

And it fus the hard part.

And it fus the hard part.

Yeah, why do you ever have a hard couple that pockets actually a lot of my clients, unfortunately, seem to fall into that other category where they're not educated, you know, don't have the business savvy. And I mean I was telling people to turn down shit left and right, and it was hard for me because some people were getting screwed, but they were getting on for ten to fifteen grand a month, you know, and it was hard for me to tell them, don't do it. But I told them, don't do it. One did. Anyways, They're gonna do what they gotta do. But there was just so much predatory practice. And before we go to break real quick for the listeners, social equity status. Various cities in the state of California have programmed to give preferential treatment to people who've been either convicted, have a low income, or we're from a disproportionally impacted area zip codes on the War on crime, and so they've come up with ways to try to help help that group of people, which they call social equity applicants into the cannabis space. And it's just been a mixed bag all over the state where they have it. It's been so your story so far is like if someone were to come in to ask me, what's the absolute best case scenario that probably never will happen. I think is your case.

Yeah, why do you ever have a hard couple that pockets actually a lot of my clients, unfortunately, seem to fall into that other category where they're not educated, you know, don't have the business savvy. And I mean I was telling people to turn down shit left and right, and it was hard for me because some people were getting screwed, but they were getting on for ten to fifteen grand a month, you know, and it was hard for me to tell them, don't do it. But I told them, don't do it. One did. Anyways, They're gonna do what they gotta do. But there was just so much predatory practice. And before we go to break real quick for the listeners, social equity status. Various cities in the state of California have programmed to give preferential treatment to people who've been either convicted, have a low income, or we're from a disproportionally impacted area zip codes on the War on crime, and so they've come up with ways to try to help help that group of people, which they call social equity applicants into the cannabis space. And it's just been a mixed bag all over the state where they have it. It's been so your story so far is like if someone were to come in to ask me, what's the absolute best case scenario that probably never will happen. I think is your case.

You should call off fons over that's your case. So we got to figure that out. Are you completely happy with your partners? And then my other question would be are your partners you know.

You should call off fons over that's your case. So we got to figure that out. Are you completely happy with your partners? And then my other question would be are your partners you know.

It doesn't feel like he has them.

It doesn't feel like he has them.

Also, oh, you don't have any partners anyways? What other partner Britney?

Also, oh, you don't have any partners anyways? What other partner Britney?

Well that's more more is my partner Britney Moore, So it's blunt me and then Brittney Moore is more so.

Well that's more more is my partner Britney Moore, So it's blunt me and then Brittney Moore is more so.

The other people.

The other people.

Weren't never they were never partners. There were landlords and business partners. As far as like a transaction for a loan, yeah, I was in some had to make sure that was key because as soon as they thing to have ownership.

Weren't never they were never partners. There were landlords and business partners. As far as like a transaction for a loan, yeah, I was in some had to make sure that was key because as soon as they thing to have ownership.

But no, it's me and Brie on the store.

But no, it's me and Brie on the store.

I mean unfortunately here in LA they allow if you're a Tier one, which is the highest tier you can be, you have to have fifty one percent the Social Act with they applicants that have fifty one percent and control and every operating agreement, every deal I saw for money coming in was how ten ten different ways, how can we get around that? And it was just it's horrible, and I think it's still going on, and some people don't buying into it, and others are. They're hanging tough, and when they come to me, I'm a deal breaker when it comes to you know, I'm looking out for your rights and how.

I mean unfortunately here in LA they allow if you're a Tier one, which is the highest tier you can be, you have to have fifty one percent the Social Act with they applicants that have fifty one percent and control and every operating agreement, every deal I saw for money coming in was how ten ten different ways, how can we get around that? And it was just it's horrible, and I think it's still going on, and some people don't buying into it, and others are. They're hanging tough, and when they come to me, I'm a deal breaker when it comes to you know, I'm looking out for your rights and how.

They're trying to screw you down the road.

They're trying to screw you down the road.

And half these agreements wouldn't even get through the Department of Cannabis Control. You're in la if if they actually read them, which I don't know if they're going to go through all these operating agreements out backdoor. They really don't own fifty one percent, they really don't control.

And half these agreements wouldn't even get through the Department of Cannabis Control. You're in la if if they actually read them, which I don't know if they're going to go through all these operating agreements out backdoor. They really don't own fifty one percent, they really don't control.

And it's it's as much.

And it's it's as much.

You're seeing their situation. I have to get the problems. And some people don't mind. They're like, give me twenty grand a month, do what you want. I mean, yeah, and for them that might not be a bad deal for some people.

You're seeing their situation. I have to get the problems. And some people don't mind. They're like, give me twenty grand a month, do what you want. I mean, yeah, and for them that might not be a bad deal for some people.

But it's just it's just not right.

But it's just it's just not right.

When you're well, we're getting there in that twenty grand. They'll come in, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll talk about that when we come back. We'll be right back.

When you're well, we're getting there in that twenty grand. They'll come in, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll talk about that when we come back. We'll be right back.

That's great.

That's great.

Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one on one. We are with two Cookie blunt, tucky blunts, tucky blunts like Akac. You are on a financial from blunts and more out of Oakland. And he is a social equity applicant that has successfully got his first story is a world a man, the very first ever in the world man and that's crazy great to think about all the people that you do. This guy's the first one day.

Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one on one. We are with two Cookie blunt, tucky blunts, tucky blunts like Akac. You are on a financial from blunts and more out of Oakland. And he is a social equity applicant that has successfully got his first story is a world a man, the very first ever in the world man and that's crazy great to think about all the people that you do. This guy's the first one day.

That was an eighteen I mean that was progressive for Oakland back then.

That was an eighteen I mean that was progressive for Oakland back then.

To just do this, that was very progressive.

To just do this, that was very progressive.

LA has been just dragging on for two years.

LA has been just dragging on for two years.

People have been holding on the property.

People have been holding on the property.

Unfortunately, they just allowed people to switch to move properties before you were locked in the minute you put in your application, so.

Unfortunately, they just allowed people to switch to move properties before you were locked in the minute you put in your application, so.

You had to hold your properties for two fucking years.

You had to hold your properties for two fucking years.

Now at least people could let those properties. And they're allowing a notice of aggressing. But for have that status back in eighteen, I mean, my hat's off to you and that that's that congratulations or in order.

Now at least people could let those properties. And they're allowing a notice of aggressing. But for have that status back in eighteen, I mean, my hat's off to you and that that's that congratulations or in order.

Though it's two years later. Definitely it's a lot. But the program.

Though it's two years later. Definitely it's a lot. But the program.

Itself, I say this and anytime I get a chance to program itself was a great concept, great ideas doing great things. But it's just like anything, it means oversight it definitely means education, and it definitely means funding. When I say education, I don't mean in a book. I mean education as like I said, teaches people about predatory lending practices. You have In Oakland, we have a thing called a technical assistance program. They're supposed to help people like us, but they're getting paid and not doing anything. They're asking me to come train people. How you getting paid by the state.

Itself, I say this and anytime I get a chance to program itself was a great concept, great ideas doing great things. But it's just like anything, it means oversight it definitely means education, and it definitely means funding. When I say education, I don't mean in a book. I mean education as like I said, teaches people about predatory lending practices. You have In Oakland, we have a thing called a technical assistance program. They're supposed to help people like us, but they're getting paid and not doing anything. They're asking me to come train people. How you getting paid by the state.

But you want me to come in for free to train people. No, I need some money too so we can get people part of.

But you want me to come in for free to train people. No, I need some money too so we can get people part of.

The You can't have people making decisions in the space that's not in the space period Dodgers.

The You can't have people making decisions in the space that's not in the space period Dodgers.

Well yeah, period, But yet we had but we have so many that we have the entire government, fucking government making our rules who have never been in this, never even smoke a joint.

Well yeah, period, But yet we had but we have so many that we have the entire government, fucking government making our rules who have never been in this, never even smoke a joint.

And that, and nor do they even hire people that are in that.

And that, and nor do they even hire people that are in that.

I mean, just like here, they're supposed to have that technical assistance and it just you know, I think some of the cities, I mean, it sounds good. They may have good intentions. I don't know a lot of it's politics.

I mean, just like here, they're supposed to have that technical assistance and it just you know, I think some of the cities, I mean, it sounds good. They may have good intentions. I don't know a lot of it's politics.

You know.

You know.

If you look at LA there was a bunch of shit going on. We actually broke a story with one of my applicants who caught a an aid talking about people getting in early. I know if you saw ever saw you that. That was actually my Klein who came to me saying, Craig went to talk to this guy and my husband happened to be take and he was talking about the Russian Armenian Armenia mob.

If you look at LA there was a bunch of shit going on. We actually broke a story with one of my applicants who caught a an aid talking about people getting in early. I know if you saw ever saw you that. That was actually my Klein who came to me saying, Craig went to talk to this guy and my husband happened to be take and he was talking about the Russian Armenian Armenia mob.

Getting this crazy. Everybody got in.

Getting this crazy. Everybody got in.

Thirty minutes early to the portal and just all kinds of crap, and it really, unfortunately, it didn't make a fucking bit of difference.

Thirty minutes early to the portal and just all kinds of crap, and it really, unfortunately, it didn't make a fucking bit of difference.

Now, what are those pros and cons as you kind of mentioned earlier that you see for social equity? As you're the first ever to go there, and I'm sure a million cats from the town to New York have come up to you, has said, Tucky Blunt, help me off, Honzo.

Now, what are those pros and cons as you kind of mentioned earlier that you see for social equity? As you're the first ever to go there, and I'm sure a million cats from the town to New York have come up to you, has said, Tucky Blunt, help me off, Honzo.

What do I need to do?

What do I need to do?

So break down for the listener that's out there that's going damn, I got a record, people are approaching me or I want to get in the game, lace us up.

So break down for the listener that's out there that's going damn, I got a record, people are approaching me or I want to get in the game, lace us up.

Okay, So give me a minute, because this is like a couple parted answer one. As far as everybody can reform, everybody get out of jail. For cannabis has to happen. They got to get out. But that also comes with us voting in the right elections and not just in the ones we think we pose a voting You gotta vote for your city councilors, and people have to understand that. The bottom hop so true all people, black, white, pink, whatever, we all have to do that for whoever we vote is by time it gets to the presidential too late, even though you still got to vote, but by then the decisions already made. You know what I'm saying, kind of like whatever, So that's part of it too. If you want to get in this space, really want to be in this space, what I mean by that is, yeah, free everybody that's been locked up for it. But do I want everybody that's locked up for it to come into the space and they're really not going to approach this like a business, then fuck it up, get closed, lose money, going debt, and then that's gonna be what the rest of the community talks about. Oh look at that black person in the cannabis space. We told you this was going to happen. So if you are going to get into space, go to your Lkstra dams, get your learning, get your certificates, you know, reach out and get training on the field you want to be in. But also don't come in here thinking everyone's going to open a dispensary and everyone's going to grow weak. What are two of the hardest things to do in the cannabis space anywhere, whether it's legal or illegal. It's grow we and sale weed. So if you think that you could just get into that, don't. Don't come in and expecting to get into that. No, I'd not like to kill anyone's dreams, but you have to be real. Like everyone wants to go and sell. That's the main question I get, Like can we grow and sell? No, everyone can't grow and sell. Learn how to make the likes that go into dispensaries, I mean, learn how to do security, learn how to do the deliveries. It's learn how to do host podcast about weed, Like there's other stuff that you can do. So my main thought when I tell people they want to get in it is make sure they really want to get in it through the train and the text to be in it, and then then we see what happens.

Okay, So give me a minute, because this is like a couple parted answer one. As far as everybody can reform, everybody get out of jail. For cannabis has to happen. They got to get out. But that also comes with us voting in the right elections and not just in the ones we think we pose a voting You gotta vote for your city councilors, and people have to understand that. The bottom hop so true all people, black, white, pink, whatever, we all have to do that for whoever we vote is by time it gets to the presidential too late, even though you still got to vote, but by then the decisions already made. You know what I'm saying, kind of like whatever, So that's part of it too. If you want to get in this space, really want to be in this space, what I mean by that is, yeah, free everybody that's been locked up for it. But do I want everybody that's locked up for it to come into the space and they're really not going to approach this like a business, then fuck it up, get closed, lose money, going debt, and then that's gonna be what the rest of the community talks about. Oh look at that black person in the cannabis space. We told you this was going to happen. So if you are going to get into space, go to your Lkstra dams, get your learning, get your certificates, you know, reach out and get training on the field you want to be in. But also don't come in here thinking everyone's going to open a dispensary and everyone's going to grow weak. What are two of the hardest things to do in the cannabis space anywhere, whether it's legal or illegal. It's grow we and sale weed. So if you think that you could just get into that, don't. Don't come in and expecting to get into that. No, I'd not like to kill anyone's dreams, but you have to be real. Like everyone wants to go and sell. That's the main question I get, Like can we grow and sell? No, everyone can't grow and sell. Learn how to make the likes that go into dispensaries, I mean, learn how to do security, learn how to do the deliveries. It's learn how to do host podcast about weed, Like there's other stuff that you can do. So my main thought when I tell people they want to get in it is make sure they really want to get in it through the train and the text to be in it, and then then we see what happens.

You know what I mean.

You know what I mean.

But you got a lot of people just gonna get out and jump in the game. I believe that's gonna fuck us up. Yeah, it's gonna have a negative effect.

But you got a lot of people just gonna get out and jump in the game. I believe that's gonna fuck us up. Yeah, it's gonna have a negative effect.

Yeah, we see that all the time. And it's funny you say about dream killing. That's what we called ourselves in eighteen when the REGs came into play and people would come in for a console about getting into the business and they were getting out of the illicit market at that point, or even the legal cooperative market back then, and we'd say, look, it's it's a lot different. You know, eyes wide open. It's just not going to be what you think it is. You can't just come in and for you know, twenty grand open up a store. You know, you got to have a half a million dollars. You got to have the business sense, you got to have a team, you got to have the CPA, you got to have the right law, you got to have the right compliance team. It's just not as easy as you think. And uh and we've probably turned away, not turned away, probably made more people run away than we've taken in as opposed to you know, talking lots of fluff and just you know, retaining anybody want to pay.

Yeah, we see that all the time. And it's funny you say about dream killing. That's what we called ourselves in eighteen when the REGs came into play and people would come in for a console about getting into the business and they were getting out of the illicit market at that point, or even the legal cooperative market back then, and we'd say, look, it's it's a lot different. You know, eyes wide open. It's just not going to be what you think it is. You can't just come in and for you know, twenty grand open up a store. You know, you got to have a half a million dollars. You got to have the business sense, you got to have a team, you got to have the CPA, you got to have the right law, you got to have the right compliance team. It's just not as easy as you think. And uh and we've probably turned away, not turned away, probably made more people run away than we've taken in as opposed to you know, talking lots of fluff and just you know, retaining anybody want to pay.

Guess what, and not sut you off.

Guess what, and not sut you off.

But guess what, that's a good thing because they weren't ready to be in the business.

But guess what, that's a good thing because they weren't ready to be in the business.

That's all.

That's all.

All the stuff you named off are things that you're going to need to run a successful business.

All the stuff you named off are things that you're going to need to run a successful business.

So if that runs you off, then you don't need to be in this business. It's okay with them. I agree people, okay, you.

So if that runs you off, then you don't need to be in this business. It's okay with them. I agree people, okay, you.

Know, I mean I agree, And that we never we never harsh reality, We never waivered from that even though people were will there were other attorneys taking money from people who wanted to get in it without giving them that eyes wide open talk. And we just you know, there's not something we wanted to do because I didn't want to get into you know, ten twenty thirty grand into it and all of a sudden, this isn't gonna happen. That's not how we you know, how we did things.

Know, I mean I agree, And that we never we never harsh reality, We never waivered from that even though people were will there were other attorneys taking money from people who wanted to get in it without giving them that eyes wide open talk. And we just you know, there's not something we wanted to do because I didn't want to get into you know, ten twenty thirty grand into it and all of a sudden, this isn't gonna happen. That's not how we you know, how we did things.

So uh.

So uh.

And then as far as the social equity applicants, all of them we've done I wouldn't say pro bono, it's one of the we we've done those things where it's if you get successful on this deal, you know, take care of us down the road. But until then, we're gonna give you the support and backing and we have about six or seven people that we chose to work with that otherwise they wouldn't have any type of access to legal support or and especially going through the operating agreements and all those corporate documents that all these people were thrown at these guys and they had no clue.

And then as far as the social equity applicants, all of them we've done I wouldn't say pro bono, it's one of the we we've done those things where it's if you get successful on this deal, you know, take care of us down the road. But until then, we're gonna give you the support and backing and we have about six or seven people that we chose to work with that otherwise they wouldn't have any type of access to legal support or and especially going through the operating agreements and all those corporate documents that all these people were thrown at these guys and they had no clue.

Well, I think there's that is garbage.

Well, I think there's that is garbage.

Most of it, like I have contracts, we have, like you know, most of that shit is a bunch of bullshit.

Most of it, like I have contracts, we have, like you know, most of that shit is a bunch of bullshit.

It's like, okay, just like put it in a one give me a one pager.

It's like, okay, just like put it in a one give me a one pager.

That's us this.

That's us this.

But you know, that's another way to throw people off if you're not willing to read that.

But you know, that's another way to throw people off if you're not willing to read that.

Oh you may not be willing to do it.

Oh you may not be willing to do it.

Fifty fucking pa sign deals that you don't realize have you xed out by page three?

Fifty fucking pa sign deals that you don't realize have you xed out by page three?

You know what I'm saying. So that's that's the education piece, you know what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying. So that's that's the education piece, you know what I'm saying.

Like you, you would think it'd be a logical thing to do, but again, we are dealing with a industry that is being ran by people not in the industry.

Like you, you would think it'd be a logical thing to do, but again, we are dealing with a industry that is being ran by people not in the industry.

Yeah, they're they're using they're using LLC membership transfer agreements that are thirty forty fifty pages long with crap in there that someone else wrote twenty thirty years ago, and they're using the same goddamn document over and over and over and over. I mean, when you come to us, we'll give you a one or two page document. Man, you take that to them and say, if you don't like it, go somewhere else. It depends what side of the coin you're on, what kind of bar you said they've done, and who's represent people. How hard was that too for you, Tucky Blunt?

Yeah, they're they're using they're using LLC membership transfer agreements that are thirty forty fifty pages long with crap in there that someone else wrote twenty thirty years ago, and they're using the same goddamn document over and over and over and over. I mean, when you come to us, we'll give you a one or two page document. Man, you take that to them and say, if you don't like it, go somewhere else. It depends what side of the coin you're on, what kind of bar you said they've done, and who's represent people. How hard was that too for you, Tucky Blunt?

As we're talking to Tucky Blunt from Blunts and More Dispensary in Oakley, how hard was that dealing with the do you need legal representation? When you're such a smart cat yourself, you're looking at this going, man, I can figure this shit out myself. Did you still need to search for legal counsel?

As we're talking to Tucky Blunt from Blunts and More Dispensary in Oakley, how hard was that dealing with the do you need legal representation? When you're such a smart cat yourself, you're looking at this going, man, I can figure this shit out myself. Did you still need to search for legal counsel?

Well, for us another cold situation.

Well, for us another cold situation.

Part of our team is a legal cannabis council in Florida, and Ritney's mom was a cannabis pair of alegal, so we had legal attached to us from the jump, which worked out.

Part of our team is a legal cannabis council in Florida, and Ritney's mom was a cannabis pair of alegal, so we had legal attached to us from the jump, which worked out.

I always had questions, you know, I mean, I don't know legal jargons, so I.

I always had questions, you know, I mean, I don't know legal jargons, so I.

Would be looking at words pulling them out the dictionary seeing what they meant to bind them to the page and then if I had a questions, I had in house legal. But that's something that I feel the city should provide, and the city the Technical Assistant program is ran by attorneys. They're not cannabis attorneys.

Would be looking at words pulling them out the dictionary seeing what they meant to bind them to the page and then if I had a questions, I had in house legal. But that's something that I feel the city should provide, and the city the Technical Assistant program is ran by attorneys. They're not cannabis attorneys.

It's just like, you know, I think what happens is is right now with the social equity, you know, because I spoke to a lot of them myself and they were asking for advice and help, and you know, I sat there and some of them had these visions that were unobtainable. So you know, on one side, I'm like, you know, you can't expect someone to drop, you know, ten million dollars on you and then let you run the whole ten million dollars right without any say so, because that's kind of what it comes to. And it's like, you know, so that's a scary proposition for an investor, you know.

It's just like, you know, I think what happens is is right now with the social equity, you know, because I spoke to a lot of them myself and they were asking for advice and help, and you know, I sat there and some of them had these visions that were unobtainable. So you know, on one side, I'm like, you know, you can't expect someone to drop, you know, ten million dollars on you and then let you run the whole ten million dollars right without any say so, because that's kind of what it comes to. And it's like, you know, so that's a scary proposition for an investor, you know.

I mean, I get both sides, but it doesn't mean it have to be predatory.

I mean, I get both sides, but it doesn't mean it have to be predatory.

I mean, the rules are no, no, and I agree with not being predatory, but but but there should have been you know, doing it the proper way would have said, hey, if you're going to spend more than thirty percent of you know, this amount of this million dollars. We need to be you know, completely involved in in those decisions. And then if he goes above that, then it goes to this next level like a tiered system. There he is, Yeah, got the baller.

I mean, the rules are no, no, and I agree with not being predatory, but but but there should have been you know, doing it the proper way would have said, hey, if you're going to spend more than thirty percent of you know, this amount of this million dollars. We need to be you know, completely involved in in those decisions. And then if he goes above that, then it goes to this next level like a tiered system. There he is, Yeah, got the baller.

Hold on y'all. Okay, okay, sorry y'all.

Hold on y'all. Okay, okay, sorry y'all.

No time.

No time.

We all working from home, right yea.

We all working from home, right yea.

So it's it's just it's it's it's a trip. You say that about just you know how everything is, but it's like, man, it's just it's just I don't know, like I can I describe how we had to deal with the legal stuff. It was just more so just like if you got people that you can give some knowledge to and just have them understand what they're going into and know they work and know their value, that's just a start, you know what I'm saying. That's that's that's bare minimals. So they can be like, okay, cool. You got some people that just are gonna sign a way just they don't care. They're not paying attention. It's money dangled in front of them, is cool. And these business you know, these sharks know that they they know that they're going to find the ones that don't care. But what is wrong with you owning forty nine percent and still being able to make decisions like I don't. I don't understand what is the whole majority thing with the big companies. You know that this e person to help get your license up and you can talk them into having your name on the store and still letting you have some form of the control. Most of these people with the fifty percent don't want to control and don't want to be at the store. I like to be at my store and talk to my customers and do all the stuff and learn everything about the business. Sean from Burner's own hate and Frisco. He wants to be he's the general manager. He like, he wants to be that person. Some of them don't. There's nothing wrong with you still have your majority and then still doing all the ship like if these other if these bigger companies can understand that. But again we're dealing with people that they'll understand hustle. They don't understand the whig game. They don't understand none of that ship, you know what I'm saying. So they don't they're not thinking that for them, two percent is not gonna change anything, because at the end of the day, you can write within the contract, if you start doing stupid shit, we're gonna say stop doing.

So it's it's just it's it's it's a trip. You say that about just you know how everything is, but it's like, man, it's just it's just I don't know, like I can I describe how we had to deal with the legal stuff. It was just more so just like if you got people that you can give some knowledge to and just have them understand what they're going into and know they work and know their value, that's just a start, you know what I'm saying. That's that's that's bare minimals. So they can be like, okay, cool. You got some people that just are gonna sign a way just they don't care. They're not paying attention. It's money dangled in front of them, is cool. And these business you know, these sharks know that they they know that they're going to find the ones that don't care. But what is wrong with you owning forty nine percent and still being able to make decisions like I don't. I don't understand what is the whole majority thing with the big companies. You know that this e person to help get your license up and you can talk them into having your name on the store and still letting you have some form of the control. Most of these people with the fifty percent don't want to control and don't want to be at the store. I like to be at my store and talk to my customers and do all the stuff and learn everything about the business. Sean from Burner's own hate and Frisco. He wants to be he's the general manager. He like, he wants to be that person. Some of them don't. There's nothing wrong with you still have your majority and then still doing all the ship like if these other if these bigger companies can understand that. But again we're dealing with people that they'll understand hustle. They don't understand the whig game. They don't understand none of that ship, you know what I'm saying. So they don't they're not thinking that for them, two percent is not gonna change anything, because at the end of the day, you can write within the contract, if you start doing stupid shit, we're gonna say stop doing.

Stupid shit three times, and then after that we take over.

Stupid shit three times, and then after that we take over.

You can put ways in there to do what you gotta do, and then the person on the other end can throw.

You can put ways in there to do what you gotta do, and then the person on the other end can throw.

There, well, you go ahead in LA.

There, well, you go ahead in LA.

They can't relinquish their ownership to the to the non social equity partner. I mean they've the way they've made the rules, it makes it really tough on a you know, company that wants to coming in to invest on and uh it just like like you've been saying, though the people who made up all these rules, it sounds good, the social equity statud the helping people out, but they're not. They're not They're not doing it in a way that's really practical and how people are gonna come out. And I think I really like your angle too as far as if you're gonna have these programs, I mean, make sure that it's really set up so a black person, person of color can be successful, so you don't get that negative stigma if something goes down. Like you were saying earlier that you just don't want, you know, you don't want failures because it wasn't done properly. And then you're going, look, we told you waste the money, blah blah blah, whatever you said earlier. And I think that's really important. But the legislators, and I like what you said too about voting from the city council up, because the city council actually is the most the biggest, that's.

They can't relinquish their ownership to the to the non social equity partner. I mean they've the way they've made the rules, it makes it really tough on a you know, company that wants to coming in to invest on and uh it just like like you've been saying, though the people who made up all these rules, it sounds good, the social equity statud the helping people out, but they're not. They're not They're not doing it in a way that's really practical and how people are gonna come out. And I think I really like your angle too as far as if you're gonna have these programs, I mean, make sure that it's really set up so a black person, person of color can be successful, so you don't get that negative stigma if something goes down. Like you were saying earlier that you just don't want, you know, you don't want failures because it wasn't done properly. And then you're going, look, we told you waste the money, blah blah blah, whatever you said earlier. And I think that's really important. But the legislators, and I like what you said too about voting from the city council up, because the city council actually is the most the biggest, that's.

One of the most vital pieces of the government. Like I remember going to school hearing.

One of the most vital pieces of the government. Like I remember going to school hearing.

About checks and balancing a non legislator from the official brands, Like, you have to start at the local level to help craft the rest of the tree. But I don't I don't know if this is something that's totally off subject, but I think it's something.

About checks and balancing a non legislator from the official brands, Like, you have to start at the local level to help craft the rest of the tree. But I don't I don't know if this is something that's totally off subject, but I think it's something.

That's going on nationwide world. They're not teaching our kids.

That's going on nationwide world. They're not teaching our kids.

It's just ignorant.

It's just ignorant.

Well, I mean, because it's in cannabis, especially, you can't want to vote, especially especially in California. The uh, everything starts at the city level, right if the city council has to has to pass an ordinance allowing for cannabis in that city, or the people of the city have to pass an initiative, and so.

Well, I mean, because it's in cannabis, especially, you can't want to vote, especially especially in California. The uh, everything starts at the city level, right if the city council has to has to pass an ordinance allowing for cannabis in that city, or the people of the city have to pass an initiative, and so.

It's the governor or something. So we got to make sure we vote for the governor.

It's the governor or something. So we got to make sure we vote for the governor.

No, no, no, yeah, you got to go in and find who city council people are. Are they behind they cannabis? And we got to get the people out there and vote.

No, no, no, yeah, you got to go in and find who city council people are. Are they behind they cannabis? And we got to get the people out there and vote.

We gotta.