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Emily, great to see you, my friend.

Emily, great to see you, my friend.

It's great to be here.

It's great to be here.

I was really focused on my Twitter feed when we started, so that's why I was hunched.

I was really focused on my Twitter feed when we started, so that's why I was hunched.

Over focus getting the latest that we can bring you all of the breaking news updates. Sager is actually recording with Andrew Schultz for The Flagrant podcast, so that's why he is out today. Bunch of announcements to get to Okay, tomorrow, we are not having our normal show. Instead, we are doing a live stream for the State of the Union. In which I cannot believe is actually tomorrow.

Over focus getting the latest that we can bring you all of the breaking news updates. Sager is actually recording with Andrew Schultz for The Flagrant podcast, so that's why he is out today. Bunch of announcements to get to Okay, tomorrow, we are not having our normal show. Instead, we are doing a live stream for the State of the Union. In which I cannot believe is actually tomorrow.

It's not technically the State of the.

It's not technically the State of the.

Way, it's the Joint Address to Congress whatever, but it's the State of the Union. And I yeah, I've been kind of denial about it, like it just really there's been so much going on, a snuck up on me.

Way, it's the Joint Address to Congress whatever, but it's the State of the Union. And I yeah, I've been kind of denial about it, like it just really there's been so much going on, a snuck up on me.

It's crazy. But we'll all be here, gang, will all be.

It's crazy. But we'll all be here, gang, will all be.

Here, That is right, we will all be here eight pm Eastern. We'll start the live stream. I think the President is supposed to speak around nine, so we'll talk about whatever's going on beforehand, preview the speech, listen to the speech, react on the other end as we normally do.

Here, That is right, we will all be here eight pm Eastern. We'll start the live stream. I think the President is supposed to speak around nine, so we'll talk about whatever's going on beforehand, preview the speech, listen to the speech, react on the other end as we normally do.

In addition, another big personal announcement.

In addition, another big personal announcement.

Happy birthday to my baby girl, Ella, who is seventeen.

Happy birthday to my baby girl, Ella, who is seventeen.

Amazing.

Amazing.

I am in total, complete denial about this as well.

I am in total, complete denial about this as well.

That you have a seventeen year old and look those amazing stop Chris stops.

That you have a seventeen year old and look those amazing stop Chris stops.

Trust me.

Trust me.

I feel every day and then some of my age, but I am. Yeah, she's beautiful, amazing, so proud of her, and yeah, it's an incredible thing. And one last thing before we jump into the news, Congratulations to the the filmmakers behind No Other Land who won the Oscar for Best Documentary last night. Documentary by a Israeli and a Palestinian about life in the occupied West Bank. Incredible speech that they gave, talking about, you know, the need for peace and to co exist and calling for effectively a one state solution with no supremacy to crying ethnic cleansing. You know, huge applause that the oscars over this, and the crazy thing about it is okay. This is now an Oscar Award winning documentary. Could not find a US distributor because this was too controversial.

I feel every day and then some of my age, but I am. Yeah, she's beautiful, amazing, so proud of her, and yeah, it's an incredible thing. And one last thing before we jump into the news, Congratulations to the the filmmakers behind No Other Land who won the Oscar for Best Documentary last night. Documentary by a Israeli and a Palestinian about life in the occupied West Bank. Incredible speech that they gave, talking about, you know, the need for peace and to co exist and calling for effectively a one state solution with no supremacy to crying ethnic cleansing. You know, huge applause that the oscars over this, and the crazy thing about it is okay. This is now an Oscar Award winning documentary. Could not find a US distributor because this was too controversial.

Quote unlook, I wonder what will happen now?

Quote unlook, I wonder what will happen now?

Actually, yeah, you think they'll get picked up.

Actually, yeah, you think they'll get picked up.

It's possible. I mean it's kind of late, but it's possible.

It's possible. I mean it's kind of late, but it's possible.

I mean, people sends, there's money to be made if anyone's curious about the film where.

I mean, people sends, there's money to be made if anyone's curious about the film where.

People are maybe capitalism will prevail here, that's right, and interested the greater, But all of your hopes in capital I don't know what else we have to put our hopes in at this point.

People are maybe capitalism will prevail here, that's right, and interested the greater, But all of your hopes in capital I don't know what else we have to put our hopes in at this point.

All right, lots of news to get to.

All right, lots of news to get to.

Latest falling from Ukraine, protests all over about various things, including against JD Vans on his ski trip. Elon is attacking social securities a Ponzi scheme. On the Joe Rogan podcast, Trump is announcing a digital asset reserve that is just a way to funnel taxpayer dollars to crypto billionaires. One of the most disgusting things I've truly ever seen. Dums have a brilliant new plan to fight back, which entails going even harder in the direction of big donors and sidelining grassroots donors. Altogether unbelievable that this is what's being proposed. Bill Burr is fighting with Benjapiro. That's an interesting one over his comments regarding a Luigi Mangioni and Israel is quitting the ceasefire deal and announcing a new blockade and siege of Gaza, obvious collective punishment and war crime with the full backing of the United States government.

Latest falling from Ukraine, protests all over about various things, including against JD Vans on his ski trip. Elon is attacking social securities a Ponzi scheme. On the Joe Rogan podcast, Trump is announcing a digital asset reserve that is just a way to funnel taxpayer dollars to crypto billionaires. One of the most disgusting things I've truly ever seen. Dums have a brilliant new plan to fight back, which entails going even harder in the direction of big donors and sidelining grassroots donors. Altogether unbelievable that this is what's being proposed. Bill Burr is fighting with Benjapiro. That's an interesting one over his comments regarding a Luigi Mangioni and Israel is quitting the ceasefire deal and announcing a new blockade and siege of Gaza, obvious collective punishment and war crime with the full backing of the United States government.

Jeremy Scahill is going to join us to break all of that down.

Jeremy Scahill is going to join us to break all of that down.

Ye're excited to have Jeremy here.

Ye're excited to have Jeremy here.

Yeah, Oh, he's incredible and drop site.

Yeah, Oh, he's incredible and drop site.

I said this last week, it is incredible how quickly.

I said this last week, it is incredible how quickly.

They became essential.

They became essential.

Seriously, you know, I really rely on them for their FORID affairs reporting, in particular specific with regard to Israel and Gaza. But they have done such an incredible job standing that on what up.

Seriously, you know, I really rely on them for their FORID affairs reporting, in particular specific with regard to Israel and Gaza. But they have done such an incredible job standing that on what up.

And of course nonither of us are surprised because I know Ryan, Yes, they're so talented.

And of course nonither of us are surprised because I know Ryan, Yes, they're so talented.

Exactly right, all right, So let's get into the latest with regard to Ukraine. I'm sure you guys have all seen at this point the dust up in the Oval Office between JD. Vans and Trump attacking Vladimir Zelenski, of course.

Exactly right, all right, So let's get into the latest with regard to Ukraine. I'm sure you guys have all seen at this point the dust up in the Oval Office between JD. Vans and Trump attacking Vladimir Zelenski, of course.

The president of Ukraine. Let's go ahead and take a listen to.

The president of Ukraine. Let's go ahead and take a listen to.

We had a bunch of politicians on the Sunday Show, from Marco Rubio to Senator Chris Murphy, who were reacting to.

We had a bunch of politicians on the Sunday Show, from Marco Rubio to Senator Chris Murphy, who were reacting to.

This chain of events. Let's go ahead and listen to.

This chain of events. Let's go ahead and listen to.

That, sir. From President Zelenski.

That, sir. From President Zelenski.

He said he does not think that he owes President Trump an apology for what happened inside the Oval Office today.

He said he does not think that he owes President Trump an apology for what happened inside the Oval Office today.

Do you feel otherwise? I do.

Do you feel otherwise? I do.

I do, because you guys don't see. You guys only saw the end. You saw what happened today. You don't see all the things that led up to this. So let me explain. The President's been very clear, he campaigned on this. He thinks this war should have never started. He believes and I agreed that had he been president, and never would have happened. Now here we are, he's trying to bring an end of this conflict. We've explained very clearly what our plan is here, which is we want to get the Russians to a negotiating table. We want to explore whether peace is possible.

I do, because you guys don't see. You guys only saw the end. You saw what happened today. You don't see all the things that led up to this. So let me explain. The President's been very clear, he campaigned on this. He thinks this war should have never started. He believes and I agreed that had he been president, and never would have happened. Now here we are, he's trying to bring an end of this conflict. We've explained very clearly what our plan is here, which is we want to get the Russians to a negotiating table. We want to explore whether peace is possible.

They understand this.

They understand this.

They also understand that this agreement that was supposed to be signed today was supposed to be an agreement that binds America economically to Ukraine, which to me, as I've explained, and I think the President alluded to today, is a security guarantee in its own way. Because we're involved, it's now us, it's our interests. That was all explained, that was all understood, and nonetheless, for the last ten days and every engagement we've had with the Ukrainians, there's been complications in getting that point across, including the public statements that President Zelensky has made. But they insisted on coming to d C. This agreement could have been signed five days ago, but they insisted on coming to Washington, and there was a very and should have been a very clear understanding, don't come here and create a such scenario where you're going to start lecturing us about how diplomacy isn't going to work as President Zelensky took it in that direction, and it ended in a predictable outcome as a result. It's unfortunate that wasn't supposed to be this way, but that's the path he chose, and I think frankly sends his country backwards in regards to achieving peace, which is what President Trump wants.

They also understand that this agreement that was supposed to be signed today was supposed to be an agreement that binds America economically to Ukraine, which to me, as I've explained, and I think the President alluded to today, is a security guarantee in its own way. Because we're involved, it's now us, it's our interests. That was all explained, that was all understood, and nonetheless, for the last ten days and every engagement we've had with the Ukrainians, there's been complications in getting that point across, including the public statements that President Zelensky has made. But they insisted on coming to d C. This agreement could have been signed five days ago, but they insisted on coming to Washington, and there was a very and should have been a very clear understanding, don't come here and create a such scenario where you're going to start lecturing us about how diplomacy isn't going to work as President Zelensky took it in that direction, and it ended in a predictable outcome as a result. It's unfortunate that wasn't supposed to be this way, but that's the path he chose, and I think frankly sends his country backwards in regards to achieving peace, which is what President Trump wants.

At the end of the day, is for this war to end.

At the end of the day, is for this war to end.

The person who walked away from the table yesterday was President Zelensky. I mean, look, I've been involved in a lot of bilateral meetings like this with heads of state in dignitaries. There's a certain protocol to these events. But for him to act as he did was rather shocking to everyone. I mean, President Zelensky, instead of showing gratitude, he interrupted and berated his hosts at a very perilous time for his country. He should have been anxious, I think to enter into this agreement. Think of it, the mental rights agreement would be a win win for both countries. It would give us an economic interest there, and everyone around the world knows that America will always defend our interest in our people.

The person who walked away from the table yesterday was President Zelensky. I mean, look, I've been involved in a lot of bilateral meetings like this with heads of state in dignitaries. There's a certain protocol to these events. But for him to act as he did was rather shocking to everyone. I mean, President Zelensky, instead of showing gratitude, he interrupted and berated his hosts at a very perilous time for his country. He should have been anxious, I think to enter into this agreement. Think of it, the mental rights agreement would be a win win for both countries. It would give us an economic interest there, and everyone around the world knows that America will always defend our interest in our people.

The challenge is now we're at a stalemate. This is a World War one like trench warfare, and it is best to be able to get to at least a pause. And what I hear President Trump saying over and over again is we need to get to a stop and fighting, find some resolution. I understand Zelensky is rightfully concerned that Putin has violated every single agreement he's ever signed and that he can't be trusted. He's looking for some kind of security guarantees, which the French in the UK are saying they want to put troops in. But we need to get these two folks at the table, get to some kind of resolution to something it may look like North and South Korea for a long time, and have a line where people are looking at each other, but not an active war.

The challenge is now we're at a stalemate. This is a World War one like trench warfare, and it is best to be able to get to at least a pause. And what I hear President Trump saying over and over again is we need to get to a stop and fighting, find some resolution. I understand Zelensky is rightfully concerned that Putin has violated every single agreement he's ever signed and that he can't be trusted. He's looking for some kind of security guarantees, which the French in the UK are saying they want to put troops in. But we need to get these two folks at the table, get to some kind of resolution to something it may look like North and South Korea for a long time, and have a line where people are looking at each other, but not an active war.

Now, the White House has become an arm of the Kremlin. Every single day you hear from the National Security Advisor, from the President of United States, from his entire national security team, Kremlin talking points. The last week, the White House has been pretending as if Ukraine started this war. That's essentially saying that Poland invaded Germany at the beginning of World War two, There are still facts in this world, and the fact is this Vladimir Putin is a brutal dictator. Russia started this war, and the entire pretext for that meeting yesterday was an attempt to rewrite history in order to sign a deal with Putin that hands putin Ukraine. That is disastrous for US national security. That means that China will be on the march, Putin may not stop, America may be at war with a nuclear power.

Now, the White House has become an arm of the Kremlin. Every single day you hear from the National Security Advisor, from the President of United States, from his entire national security team, Kremlin talking points. The last week, the White House has been pretending as if Ukraine started this war. That's essentially saying that Poland invaded Germany at the beginning of World War two, There are still facts in this world, and the fact is this Vladimir Putin is a brutal dictator. Russia started this war, and the entire pretext for that meeting yesterday was an attempt to rewrite history in order to sign a deal with Putin that hands putin Ukraine. That is disastrous for US national security. That means that China will be on the march, Putin may not stop, America may be at war with a nuclear power.

So there you go a little sampling of the political reaction. You know, obviously I have a lot of thoughts on this, which I'll go ahead and offer a few of them, since we haven't had a chance to react yet. I mean, it won't surprise you that none of the Democrat or Republican views there really represent my view. You know, I do actually think that this was a sort of a planned ambush of Zelenski, because I think it's preposterous to imagine that Jade Vance would be out there freelancing on his own, like I don't think he does anything without Donald Trump giving him the nudge in the go ahead. But whether or not you think this was like a planned ambush, it was definitely a show in that it is not reflective of the reality, which is that Ukraine and US in this war have basically been the same entity. Right, the US has pushed Ukraine to continue this war. We have used Ukraine prior to this war as our own geopolitical plaything. So that's why when Vance and Trump are insists, oh, you have to thank us, and you need to apologize, like thank us for what for continuing to drag you through years of this war at massive cost of lives and death and destruction in the country of Ukraine. And this is not to let Zelenski off the hook, who no one should be, you know, hero worshiping this guy like Actually, the things that JD. Van said about the conscription and pulling guys off like that is true. But we're the superpower in this situation. We wanted to use Ukraine to push back against Russia, and we failed, and now we are left trying to figure out what to do next and trying to pick up the pieces. What the Trump administration wants to do is based economic colonization. They want this extractive mineral rights deal, which by the way, doesn't mean that you are going to benefit from whatever.

So there you go a little sampling of the political reaction. You know, obviously I have a lot of thoughts on this, which I'll go ahead and offer a few of them, since we haven't had a chance to react yet. I mean, it won't surprise you that none of the Democrat or Republican views there really represent my view. You know, I do actually think that this was a sort of a planned ambush of Zelenski, because I think it's preposterous to imagine that Jade Vance would be out there freelancing on his own, like I don't think he does anything without Donald Trump giving him the nudge in the go ahead. But whether or not you think this was like a planned ambush, it was definitely a show in that it is not reflective of the reality, which is that Ukraine and US in this war have basically been the same entity. Right, the US has pushed Ukraine to continue this war. We have used Ukraine prior to this war as our own geopolitical plaything. So that's why when Vance and Trump are insists, oh, you have to thank us, and you need to apologize, like thank us for what for continuing to drag you through years of this war at massive cost of lives and death and destruction in the country of Ukraine. And this is not to let Zelenski off the hook, who no one should be, you know, hero worshiping this guy like Actually, the things that JD. Van said about the conscription and pulling guys off like that is true. But we're the superpower in this situation. We wanted to use Ukraine to push back against Russia, and we failed, and now we are left trying to figure out what to do next and trying to pick up the pieces. What the Trump administration wants to do is based economic colonization. They want this extractive mineral rights deal, which by the way, doesn't mean that you are going to benefit from whatever.

Extraction is occurring here.

Extraction is occurring here.

It's Trump's billionaire buddies who would get these deals, who would profit from exploiting this vassal state and effective colony of the United States of America. But it would be US lives that would be on the line to defend those economic interests. That's the deal that they're trying to put in place. And by the way, Emily, it wouldn't surprise me like this was you know, this was a big blow up, And I don't want to say that like it's not going to have an impact. It might, but it's also very possible it doesn't at all that they continue to go forward with this economic colonization deal for Trump and his buddies to cash in.

It's Trump's billionaire buddies who would get these deals, who would profit from exploiting this vassal state and effective colony of the United States of America. But it would be US lives that would be on the line to defend those economic interests. That's the deal that they're trying to put in place. And by the way, Emily, it wouldn't surprise me like this was you know, this was a big blow up, And I don't want to say that like it's not going to have an impact. It might, but it's also very possible it doesn't at all that they continue to go forward with this economic colonization deal for Trump and his buddies to cash in.

Because, as we're going to talk to.

Because, as we're going to talk to.

About the like Crypto reserve bullshit, the core ideological project of the Trump administration at this point just seems to be theft elon, stealing contracts and just like plundering the government at will, going around the world saying we want Greenland's minerals, we want the Panama Canal back, we want Canada, we want Gaza, we want the Ukrainian minerals deal. The crypto I mean, that thing is just insane, just like funneling taxpayer dollars in so that a bunch of crypto billionaires can sell their bag and dump this trash like worthless thing on the American public. That is the core ethos of the Trump administration. And so it would not surprise me at all if they continue.

About the like Crypto reserve bullshit, the core ideological project of the Trump administration at this point just seems to be theft elon, stealing contracts and just like plundering the government at will, going around the world saying we want Greenland's minerals, we want the Panama Canal back, we want Canada, we want Gaza, we want the Ukrainian minerals deal. The crypto I mean, that thing is just insane, just like funneling taxpayer dollars in so that a bunch of crypto billionaires can sell their bag and dump this trash like worthless thing on the American public. That is the core ethos of the Trump administration. And so it would not surprise me at all if they continue.

Forward with this. It's not even just rare earth minerals.

Forward with this. It's not even just rare earth minerals.

It's like fifty percent of the entire country that we're pushing, you know, this deal for. So that's kind of my overall reaction here to what happened. But it does drive me sort of insane this and sists, oh, the Ukrainians need to apologize, and Selensky was out of line, et cetera, et cetera, like we are so much of the uh, we are so much to blame for the way this is all unfolded, and not just the Biden administration, by the way, where they do have a lot of blame on their shoulders, in particular for blocking that those original negotiations that had a shot at securing some sort of a piece here early on. But Trump, in this dialogue he brags about how he was shipping the javelins to Ukraine. He was part of this belligerent posture that precipitates this war, and Russia is responsible for their own actions. They should not have invaded. It was an illegal invasion. They have their own imperial project that they are engaged in. But let's not ignore the role that the US has played in meddling in Ukrainian politics with a coupdeta, with expansion of NATO, with continuing this belligerent posture that helps to create the conditions that precipitate this war, and to just erase all of that and pretend like none of that happened. And Trump himself has is not to blame, and it's all Zelenski's fault, and he's the real aggressor here, and he needs to think US. I think is so disgusting and utterly preposterous.

It's like fifty percent of the entire country that we're pushing, you know, this deal for. So that's kind of my overall reaction here to what happened. But it does drive me sort of insane this and sists, oh, the Ukrainians need to apologize, and Selensky was out of line, et cetera, et cetera, like we are so much of the uh, we are so much to blame for the way this is all unfolded, and not just the Biden administration, by the way, where they do have a lot of blame on their shoulders, in particular for blocking that those original negotiations that had a shot at securing some sort of a piece here early on. But Trump, in this dialogue he brags about how he was shipping the javelins to Ukraine. He was part of this belligerent posture that precipitates this war, and Russia is responsible for their own actions. They should not have invaded. It was an illegal invasion. They have their own imperial project that they are engaged in. But let's not ignore the role that the US has played in meddling in Ukrainian politics with a coupdeta, with expansion of NATO, with continuing this belligerent posture that helps to create the conditions that precipitate this war, and to just erase all of that and pretend like none of that happened. And Trump himself has is not to blame, and it's all Zelenski's fault, and he's the real aggressor here, and he needs to think US. I think is so disgusting and utterly preposterous.

So Zelensky wants everything that you just outlined, which is like the point you made about how American boots would essentially have to be on the ground security guarantee with the quote economic colonization. Zelensky wants that that's the entire dust up over this deal.

So Zelensky wants everything that you just outlined, which is like the point you made about how American boots would essentially have to be on the ground security guarantee with the quote economic colonization. Zelensky wants that that's the entire dust up over this deal.

We played Chris Murphy just there.

We played Chris Murphy just there.

Chris Murphy before Zolensky went into that meeting, was bragging about how Democratic senators had just met with him and encouraged him not to sign what he's like a false security deal of something that Chris Murphy tweeted, because they Zolensky doesn't believe that the quote economic colonization is enough. He thinks that the United States needs to have like an actual security guarantee otherwise Putin will continue to what's the word that often gets used, steamroll will keep like creeping further and further into Ukraine. So the option then for US is either to have like actual boots on the ground security guarantee or some half measure or totally.

Chris Murphy before Zolensky went into that meeting, was bragging about how Democratic senators had just met with him and encouraged him not to sign what he's like a false security deal of something that Chris Murphy tweeted, because they Zolensky doesn't believe that the quote economic colonization is enough. He thinks that the United States needs to have like an actual security guarantee otherwise Putin will continue to what's the word that often gets used, steamroll will keep like creeping further and further into Ukraine. So the option then for US is either to have like actual boots on the ground security guarantee or some half measure or totally.

Given to Putin.

Given to Putin.

And the options are insane, Like it's just a complete mess. And it's a mess because of the tact that Zelenski and his supporters had wanted David from. For example, these types of guys have wanted over and over and over again for years. So, I mean, I think the Zolensk he must apologize stuff is a little precious from like a moral standpoint, But from a pragmatic standpoint, what he just did was prolonged likely. I mean, I think the deal probably will still go through, but he just prolonged the suffering and the war.

And the options are insane, Like it's just a complete mess. And it's a mess because of the tact that Zelenski and his supporters had wanted David from. For example, these types of guys have wanted over and over and over again for years. So, I mean, I think the Zolensk he must apologize stuff is a little precious from like a moral standpoint, But from a pragmatic standpoint, what he just did was prolonged likely. I mean, I think the deal probably will still go through, but he just prolonged the suffering and the war.

It's pretty time. This is Zelenski. This is a two.

It's pretty time. This is Zelenski. This is a two.

This is him responding. He went on Brett Bear's show right after. I mean, this is a couple hours after he canceled the planned speech. I think it was at the Hudson Institute, and then went straight to the Fox News studio, went through with the Bear interview. And this is a clip of Zelenski from that.

This is him responding. He went on Brett Bear's show right after. I mean, this is a couple hours after he canceled the planned speech. I think it was at the Hudson Institute, and then went straight to the Fox News studio, went through with the Bear interview. And this is a clip of Zelenski from that.

So I'm not hearing from you, mister president.

So I'm not hearing from you, mister president.

Thought that you owe the president and apology.

Thought that you owe the president and apology.

Now I respect President and I respect to American people, and.

Now I respect President and I respect to American people, and.

If I don't know if.

If I don't know if.

I think that we have to be very open and very honest, and I'm not sure that we did something bet. I think maybe sometimes some things we have to discuss out of out of media, with all respect to democracy and to a free media, but there are things that where we have to understand the position of Ukraine and Ukrainians, and I think that is the most important thing.

I think that we have to be very open and very honest, and I'm not sure that we did something bet. I think maybe sometimes some things we have to discuss out of out of media, with all respect to democracy and to a free media, but there are things that where we have to understand the position of Ukraine and Ukrainians, and I think that is the most important thing.

So one hundred billion dollars into the war, I just don't think that lands especially well with the American people. And I'm not saying Crystal that he needs to get on his knees and apologize, though I think pragmatically, if he wanted that deal to go through, he probably would. That's like, you know, one hundred billion dollars to the American people. It's like multiple times the annual NASA budget. You know, it's multiple times. It's at this point, it's over the annual budget of the State of Virginia.

So one hundred billion dollars into the war, I just don't think that lands especially well with the American people. And I'm not saying Crystal that he needs to get on his knees and apologize, though I think pragmatically, if he wanted that deal to go through, he probably would. That's like, you know, one hundred billion dollars to the American people. It's like multiple times the annual NASA budget. You know, it's multiple times. It's at this point, it's over the annual budget of the State of Virginia.

Like, well, it's a lot of money.

Like, well, it's a lot of money.

It's I get that it's a small percentage of everything that we spend in a given year. But in order to create a political incentive structure, permission structure for politicians to continue going along with it, And I guess I see what people are saying about the apology, but it doesn't I don't think we need to be precious about it morally from a pragmatic standpoint.

It's I get that it's a small percentage of everything that we spend in a given year. But in order to create a political incentive structure, permission structure for politicians to continue going along with it, And I guess I see what people are saying about the apology, but it doesn't I don't think we need to be precious about it morally from a pragmatic standpoint.

He immediately started tweeting, We're.

He immediately started tweeting, We're.

So thankful for America, We're so thankful for the cooperation of the United States, et ceterat.

So thankful for America, We're so thankful for the cooperation of the United States, et ceterat.

I mean, listen, again, I do think this was a setup because if you watch the video, like the thing he said was not everyone's oh he was braiding them and lecturing. He just said, listen, guys, like Putin is not really a person that like, if you look at the historical track record, This isn't someone you can just take their word for true, absolutely true.

I mean, listen, again, I do think this was a setup because if you watch the video, like the thing he said was not everyone's oh he was braiding them and lecturing. He just said, listen, guys, like Putin is not really a person that like, if you look at the historical track record, This isn't someone you can just take their word for true, absolutely true.

And then JD.

And then JD.

Vance jumps in, you have never said thank you, and you take people on.

Vance jumps in, you have never said thank you, and you take people on.

Propaganda tours, et cetera, et cetera. I think it was a show.

Propaganda tours, et cetera, et cetera. I think it was a show.

I think it was a show for domestic consumption because they know the bass has been trained to like.

I think it was a show for domestic consumption because they know the bass has been trained to like.

Have this conflict completely.

Have this conflict completely.

Sort of reversed in their head where Ukraine are the great evil and the great bad guys, and so he knew it would play well with his bass and that he would look like a tough guy. And then that gives Trump room to sort of do whatever it is that he ultimately wants to do and strike whatever deal that he wants to and not face blowback from his base. That's what I really think was going on there. So this insistence, oh he needs to apologize, Oh he needs to thank us, I also just have to say on like really zooming out of what you think about this conflict and these players and how this should all go down and what the geopolitics are, etc. I think there was a really visceral human reaction of disgust to the way that these two very powerful individuals were badgering and bullying someone who's there who speaks English as a second language, who you know, is totally unable to sort of be able to compete in this debate because of the way that that is stacked against the cards are stacked against him.

Sort of reversed in their head where Ukraine are the great evil and the great bad guys, and so he knew it would play well with his bass and that he would look like a tough guy. And then that gives Trump room to sort of do whatever it is that he ultimately wants to do and strike whatever deal that he wants to and not face blowback from his base. That's what I really think was going on there. So this insistence, oh he needs to apologize, Oh he needs to thank us, I also just have to say on like really zooming out of what you think about this conflict and these players and how this should all go down and what the geopolitics are, etc. I think there was a really visceral human reaction of disgust to the way that these two very powerful individuals were badgering and bullying someone who's there who speaks English as a second language, who you know, is totally unable to sort of be able to compete in this debate because of the way that that is stacked against the cards are stacked against him.

In that situation where we have.

In that situation where we have.

Two people very powerful brating someone who is, you know, just trying to keep up with the language issue, I think there was like a visceral I mean, it's been interesting to see how vocipherus the response has been online, and I think there was just like a visceral factor to the way all of that went down. The other piece of this that could be consequential is how the Europeans react. Here you had Keir Starmer, who seems to be trying to take the lead to say, all right, well, clearly we cannot rely on the US for anything, which I think actually that part is good that they're realizing Listen, these people are really not our allies at this point. We can't count on them whatsoever for a single thing. So he's trying to take the lead. He was on the BBC talking about how he's now talking to France and some others to try to work on some sort of a peace plan that they could present.

Two people very powerful brating someone who is, you know, just trying to keep up with the language issue, I think there was like a visceral I mean, it's been interesting to see how vocipherus the response has been online, and I think there was just like a visceral factor to the way all of that went down. The other piece of this that could be consequential is how the Europeans react. Here you had Keir Starmer, who seems to be trying to take the lead to say, all right, well, clearly we cannot rely on the US for anything, which I think actually that part is good that they're realizing Listen, these people are really not our allies at this point. We can't count on them whatsoever for a single thing. So he's trying to take the lead. He was on the BBC talking about how he's now talking to France and some others to try to work on some sort of a peace plan that they could present.

Let's take a listen to how that went.

Let's take a listen to how that went.

We had quite a long time with Presidence Lenski, then Macrole and President Trump on the phone. We've now agreed that the United Kingdom, along with France and possibly one or two others, will work with Ukraine on a plan to stop the fighting, and then we'll discuss that plan with the United States in those caols on Friday night, through the meeting yesterday, into the Caols again last night. I think we've got a step in the right direction because, as I said, nobody wants to see what happened on Friday, but it's really important that we keep past central focus, which is lasting piece in Ukraine. Nobody wants any more bloodshed.

We had quite a long time with Presidence Lenski, then Macrole and President Trump on the phone. We've now agreed that the United Kingdom, along with France and possibly one or two others, will work with Ukraine on a plan to stop the fighting, and then we'll discuss that plan with the United States in those caols on Friday night, through the meeting yesterday, into the Caols again last night. I think we've got a step in the right direction because, as I said, nobody wants to see what happened on Friday, but it's really important that we keep past central focus, which is lasting piece in Ukraine. Nobody wants any more bloodshed.

So we'll see what comes of that. There were all kinds of European leaders that were tweeting out their support of Zelenski in the wake of all of these events, and put the next piece up on the screen. You know, I really sort of think that the tension here within the Trump administration comes down to whether they want to just go pure like you know, naked exploitation, as they have in so many other arenas. As I was pointing out before with the mineral steel or whether they want to align with the you know, right wing authoritarian regime of Russia which has been is the other like ideological project of the Trump administration is to align the country more with those regimes that are closer to their own ideological valance. And you know, this is interesting to me, sort of point in the direction of they're going to probably continue in the direction of the minerals deal.

So we'll see what comes of that. There were all kinds of European leaders that were tweeting out their support of Zelenski in the wake of all of these events, and put the next piece up on the screen. You know, I really sort of think that the tension here within the Trump administration comes down to whether they want to just go pure like you know, naked exploitation, as they have in so many other arenas. As I was pointing out before with the mineral steel or whether they want to align with the you know, right wing authoritarian regime of Russia which has been is the other like ideological project of the Trump administration is to align the country more with those regimes that are closer to their own ideological valance. And you know, this is interesting to me, sort of point in the direction of they're going to probably continue in the direction of the minerals deal.

But we'll see, because you never know what.

But we'll see, because you never know what.

Trump he's quoting someone else who said, now, Zelenski will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms.

Trump he's quoting someone else who said, now, Zelenski will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms.

But here's the genius part.

But here's the genius part.

Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the US into war by negotiating a mineral deal. Trump ensores Americans will be involved in Ukraine's mining industry. That prevents Russia from launching invasion because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives, something that would force the US to respond. Then goes on, Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelensky will have no choice but to concede.

Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the US into war by negotiating a mineral deal. Trump ensores Americans will be involved in Ukraine's mining industry. That prevents Russia from launching invasion because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives, something that would force the US to respond. Then goes on, Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelensky will have no choice but to concede.

Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah.

But you know, to me, the fact that Trump took the time to put this out on truth Social indicating that Okay, you know, the idea here is to go forward with this rare earth mineral deal, which by the way, includes many things other than that, and then that's going to serve as its own sort of security guarantee, so that the billionaires will get their bag out of Ukraine by exploiting that country. And then you know, will that security guarantee will make sure that Russia doesn't further invade the country. You know, that to me was an indication perhaps that's still the direction that he's moving in.

But you know, to me, the fact that Trump took the time to put this out on truth Social indicating that Okay, you know, the idea here is to go forward with this rare earth mineral deal, which by the way, includes many things other than that, and then that's going to serve as its own sort of security guarantee, so that the billionaires will get their bag out of Ukraine by exploiting that country. And then you know, will that security guarantee will make sure that Russia doesn't further invade the country. You know, that to me was an indication perhaps that's still the direction that he's moving in.

Well, here's what's interesting, and here's why I kind of disagreed that this was an ambush. Zelensky comes in and says at the beginning of the meeting, because I went back and know the transcript, that he's hopeful about this deal, that this deal is the first step in.

Well, here's what's interesting, and here's why I kind of disagreed that this was an ambush. Zelensky comes in and says at the beginning of the meeting, because I went back and know the transcript, that he's hopeful about this deal, that this deal is the first step in.

The right direction.

The right direction.

And then what we find out is he actually believes that not have that the deal in and of itself is not a good enough security guarantee for the people of Ukraine and for Zelensky. By the way, I mean as someone who was like horrified by Zelensky's conduct, and that mean I shouldn't say horrified. That overstates it because it wasn't surprising, but was like disgusted Westolenski's conduct in that meeting. I also don't blame him because he has his own interests. He's watched so many of his own people die, he has watched his cities being destroyed. Despite the fact that he corrected Trump and said that was Russian propaganda to say that Ukrainian cities had been destroyed. Not all of them have. Some of them are like flattened, and that's what Trump was talking about.

And then what we find out is he actually believes that not have that the deal in and of itself is not a good enough security guarantee for the people of Ukraine and for Zelensky. By the way, I mean as someone who was like horrified by Zelensky's conduct, and that mean I shouldn't say horrified. That overstates it because it wasn't surprising, but was like disgusted Westolenski's conduct in that meeting. I also don't blame him because he has his own interests. He's watched so many of his own people die, he has watched his cities being destroyed. Despite the fact that he corrected Trump and said that was Russian propaganda to say that Ukrainian cities had been destroyed. Not all of them have. Some of them are like flattened, and that's what Trump was talking about.

So I get that.

So I get that.

I think from Zelenski's perspective, this is he does have his own interests. He has his own people to worry about. He is, you know, he is the representative of his own people. At the same time, the question then becomes, what was he sitting there saying that this deal is great and then always intending to not end up signing it. They could have signed it in Ki, if they could have signed it in all other places. He flies here, was he not going to sign this if he didn't get something else out of Trump?

I think from Zelenski's perspective, this is he does have his own interests. He has his own people to worry about. He is, you know, he is the representative of his own people. At the same time, the question then becomes, what was he sitting there saying that this deal is great and then always intending to not end up signing it. They could have signed it in Ki, if they could have signed it in all other places. He flies here, was he not going to sign this if he didn't get something else out of Trump?

Advance? And when Vance?

Advance? And when Vance?

When when Zelenski turned to Vance, it felt like Zelensky had this like a very organic and natural tension. Again from his point of view as somebody who lives in Ukraine, who's overseeing this war and seeing the suffering of the Ukrainian people, he says Putin has steamrolled. He's me all of these agreements, you can't do diplomacy with. Putin turns the question to JD. Vance that to me, if I were Jdvans, I would have exploded to being challenged in front of the American media by the President, I would have lost my mind. Not saying it was helpful, but it would have I would have lost my mind if I were him, because it's like, actually the only option at this point, and by Zelensky's own admission, he was saying the deal with good what thirty minutes before when the press conference started, I had I had where my reaction was closer to Sagers because I was traveling and I saw the clips first, and when I saw the last ten minutes, I was like, Oh my gosh, what just happened? And then I went back and watched it from the beginning. I was like, Zolensky keeps throwing jabs at Trump, and it's like, again, I get why he would because he doesn't think this is enough, and he's seen examples before why it's not enough. But his solution is more like Clinton Bush style American imperialism. And it's just like Trump is caught in the middle of that. And it doesn't mean that Trump's genius. I'm not a big fan of the economic colonization mineral deal. But Zelenski did not do himself any favors, that's for sure.

When when Zelenski turned to Vance, it felt like Zelensky had this like a very organic and natural tension. Again from his point of view as somebody who lives in Ukraine, who's overseeing this war and seeing the suffering of the Ukrainian people, he says Putin has steamrolled. He's me all of these agreements, you can't do diplomacy with. Putin turns the question to JD. Vance that to me, if I were Jdvans, I would have exploded to being challenged in front of the American media by the President, I would have lost my mind. Not saying it was helpful, but it would have I would have lost my mind if I were him, because it's like, actually the only option at this point, and by Zelensky's own admission, he was saying the deal with good what thirty minutes before when the press conference started, I had I had where my reaction was closer to Sagers because I was traveling and I saw the clips first, and when I saw the last ten minutes, I was like, Oh my gosh, what just happened? And then I went back and watched it from the beginning. I was like, Zolensky keeps throwing jabs at Trump, and it's like, again, I get why he would because he doesn't think this is enough, and he's seen examples before why it's not enough. But his solution is more like Clinton Bush style American imperialism. And it's just like Trump is caught in the middle of that. And it doesn't mean that Trump's genius. I'm not a big fan of the economic colonization mineral deal. But Zelenski did not do himself any favors, that's for sure.

I just did not see it that way at all.

I just did not see it that way at all.

It's interesting because like it's been sort of a roor Sash test.

It's interesting because like it's been sort of a roor Sash test.

Yeah, because I mean and again, like I'm not a Zelensky stand right, he does have his own interest and it is like, like I said, the things jd Vance said about, you know, people being pulled off this, like we've covered that on this show.

Yeah, because I mean and again, like I'm not a Zelensky stand right, he does have his own interest and it is like, like I said, the things jd Vance said about, you know, people being pulled off this, like we've covered that on this show.

And at this point, you know, at the.

And at this point, you know, at the.

Beginning of the war, including when we were pushing them in to you know, walk away from the negotiations which he was participating in. I mean, this is what drives me crazy, is like the complete attempt to rewrite history and absolve ourselves of our role in this, absolved Trump of his role in helping to bring about this horrific war and this horrific situation where you're right, there are no good options at this point. Truly, there are no good options at this point. But you know, the tenttrarywrite history is crazy making to me. But in addition, you know, I mean to point out, like, hey, you know, this guy's not the most stressworthy actor. I don't see why that makes you explode. What would make me explode is the insanity of pretending like we had nothing to do with this situation and now you're going to have to just take it, and you owe us a thank you, a thank you for what we owe you, an apology for what we have done to this country and the way we have used it as a plaything. And again, but Lensky wants that's that's the difference.

Beginning of the war, including when we were pushing them in to you know, walk away from the negotiations which he was participating in. I mean, this is what drives me crazy, is like the complete attempt to rewrite history and absolve ourselves of our role in this, absolved Trump of his role in helping to bring about this horrific war and this horrific situation where you're right, there are no good options at this point. Truly, there are no good options at this point. But you know, the tenttrarywrite history is crazy making to me. But in addition, you know, I mean to point out, like, hey, you know, this guy's not the most stressworthy actor. I don't see why that makes you explode. What would make me explode is the insanity of pretending like we had nothing to do with this situation and now you're going to have to just take it, and you owe us a thank you, a thank you for what we owe you, an apology for what we have done to this country and the way we have used it as a plaything. And again, but Lensky wants that's that's the difference.

I would apologize the average Ukrainian and that to Lensky.

I would apologize the average Ukrainian and that to Lensky.

That's what I was going to say about Zelensky is you know, at the beginning, when we were pushing let's not have these negotiations, actually the Ukrainian people were very much as much as we can tell from the polling et cetera, and from the I think this is maybe the most telling sign the number of military sign ups there were and recruits at that point where people were volunteering, like, yes, I want to be part of this war. The Ukrainian people were behind we want to fight and and you know, the US is we're all in with you, and we're going to be there, you know, standing with you and giving you everything you need, et cetera. That sentiment has very much changed, which is why you know, Zelenski's approval has fallen. Now I think his approval we don't really know, but his approval rating appears to be higher than Trump's is in our own country. So it's not like he has no support, but certainly his approval rating has fallen. There is a massive fatigue among the population. That's why they had to lower the conscription age. I mean didn't have to, but decided to lower the conscription age. That's why they've been you know, aggressively basically like kidnapping men off the streets, banning men from leaving the country, et cetera. So you know, the public sentiment within Ukraine is now diverging somewhat from Zelenski and where he wants things to be.

That's what I was going to say about Zelensky is you know, at the beginning, when we were pushing let's not have these negotiations, actually the Ukrainian people were very much as much as we can tell from the polling et cetera, and from the I think this is maybe the most telling sign the number of military sign ups there were and recruits at that point where people were volunteering, like, yes, I want to be part of this war. The Ukrainian people were behind we want to fight and and you know, the US is we're all in with you, and we're going to be there, you know, standing with you and giving you everything you need, et cetera. That sentiment has very much changed, which is why you know, Zelenski's approval has fallen. Now I think his approval we don't really know, but his approval rating appears to be higher than Trump's is in our own country. So it's not like he has no support, but certainly his approval rating has fallen. There is a massive fatigue among the population. That's why they had to lower the conscription age. I mean didn't have to, but decided to lower the conscription age. That's why they've been you know, aggressively basically like kidnapping men off the streets, banning men from leaving the country, et cetera. So you know, the public sentiment within Ukraine is now diverging somewhat from Zelenski and where he wants things to be.

That being said, except.

That being said, except.

For maybe since Friday when the country's like.

For maybe since Friday when the country's like.

That's what I was going to say.

That's what I was going to say.

That being said, you know, since this dust up occurred, I do think it has probably strengthened his domestic political position because even the opposition has come out in support of him and in opposition to the way that this was handled by Trump and Vans, et cetera. So you know, again my bottom line here is whether you think it was an ambush or not.

That being said, you know, since this dust up occurred, I do think it has probably strengthened his domestic political position because even the opposition has come out in support of him and in opposition to the way that this was handled by Trump and Vans, et cetera. So you know, again my bottom line here is whether you think it was an ambush or not.

I genuinely do.

I genuinely do.

But you know, I think reasonable people could disagree there, as Emily and Zader certainly disagree with me on that. The part of it that drives me crazy is just the fakery of ignoring how and why we got here, of pretending we played no role, and pretending also like we're oppositional to so let's get like we are on the same team.

But you know, I think reasonable people could disagree there, as Emily and Zader certainly disagree with me on that. The part of it that drives me crazy is just the fakery of ignoring how and why we got here, of pretending we played no role, and pretending also like we're oppositional to so let's get like we are on the same team.

This is like Mississippi having.

This is like Mississippi having.

It, you know, international affairs disagreement with the federal government. And that's what I mean when I say this is a show, because it is not reflective of the actual reality of the conditions that led to this war, of the conditions that led us to exactly this point. And so you know, we'll see what the fallout is and if it changes any of the dynam but you know, as of now, I think probably Trump is probably still pushing in the direction of this minerals deal because it's very consistent with the rest of his foreign policy that he's pursuing around the world, which is just you know, it's maach and grab, like I want the again. I think it's really important for people to understand these this exploitation of Ukraine or conquest of Greenland or Panama Canal or can or whatever like, these deals are not to benefit you. There's a reason why the Ai Gaza Video has like a.

It, you know, international affairs disagreement with the federal government. And that's what I mean when I say this is a show, because it is not reflective of the actual reality of the conditions that led to this war, of the conditions that led us to exactly this point. And so you know, we'll see what the fallout is and if it changes any of the dynam but you know, as of now, I think probably Trump is probably still pushing in the direction of this minerals deal because it's very consistent with the rest of his foreign policy that he's pursuing around the world, which is just you know, it's maach and grab, like I want the again. I think it's really important for people to understand these this exploitation of Ukraine or conquest of Greenland or Panama Canal or can or whatever like, these deals are not to benefit you. There's a reason why the Ai Gaza Video has like a.

Trump hotel there.

Trump hotel there.

This is to benefit billionaires, the Trump family themselves, their buddies around the world, and to secure those economic interests for themselves, using the US taxpayer and the US soldier to protect those economic interests. And it's not like that's a new dynamic, right. I'm not Pollyanna here, I'm not naive, not saying that this is our first trip to the you know, economic colonization rodeo.

This is to benefit billionaires, the Trump family themselves, their buddies around the world, and to secure those economic interests for themselves, using the US taxpayer and the US soldier to protect those economic interests. And it's not like that's a new dynamic, right. I'm not Pollyanna here, I'm not naive, not saying that this is our first trip to the you know, economic colonization rodeo.

But that's a hell of a rodeos.

But that's a hell of a rodeos.

It's been a hell of a ride. Let me tell you.

It's been a hell of a ride. Let me tell you.

He has more nakedly transact is.

He has more nakedly transact is.

More nakedly transactional about it.

More nakedly transactional about it.

There is not even a valance of this is about democracy, this is about human rights, This is about standing up for ourselves. This is about protecting territorial integrity. It's just about we're going to get what we can get out of it. And again not us, him and his buddies and the other billionaires that he's close to.

There is not even a valance of this is about democracy, this is about human rights, This is about standing up for ourselves. This is about protecting territorial integrity. It's just about we're going to get what we can get out of it. And again not us, him and his buddies and the other billionaires that he's close to.

And it was billionaires that originally.

And it was billionaires that originally.

Proposed this who had direct interest in you know, exploitation in Ukraine who proposed this deal. So you know, I think there's a lot of incentive still pushing in that direction.

Proposed this who had direct interest in you know, exploitation in Ukraine who proposed this deal. So you know, I think there's a lot of incentive still pushing in that direction.

But like I said that the.

But like I said that the.

Oppositional force is wanting to align more closely with their ideological brethren in Russia. So we'll see how this all goes down. The last piece of fall in here put a five up on the screen. So this is kind of interesting. Just in terms of the global pushback, there was a Norwegian fuel supplier that refused to refuel US warships over this dust up in the White House.

Oppositional force is wanting to align more closely with their ideological brethren in Russia. So we'll see how this all goes down. The last piece of fall in here put a five up on the screen. So this is kind of interesting. Just in terms of the global pushback, there was a Norwegian fuel supplier that refused to refuel US warships over this dust up in the White House.

You know, this is a.

You know, this is a.

Norwegian fuel company, halt Bach Bunkers, announced it will see supplying fuel to the US military forces in Norway and American ships docking in Norwegian ports, siding dissatisfaction with recent US policy towards Ukraine. In a strongly word a statement, company criticized televised event involving US President Trump and JD. Van's referring to it as quote the biggest shit show ever presented on live TV. They praised Zelenski for his restraint, accused the US of putting on a backstabbing TV show, and declaring that the spectacle made us six, so kind of an interesting economic retaliation.

Norwegian fuel company, halt Bach Bunkers, announced it will see supplying fuel to the US military forces in Norway and American ships docking in Norwegian ports, siding dissatisfaction with recent US policy towards Ukraine. In a strongly word a statement, company criticized televised event involving US President Trump and JD. Van's referring to it as quote the biggest shit show ever presented on live TV. They praised Zelenski for his restraint, accused the US of putting on a backstabbing TV show, and declaring that the spectacle made us six, so kind of an interesting economic retaliation.

There at least we put on great TV shows.

There at least we put on great TV shows.

That's takeaway one thing you can't take away from Donald Trump celebrity Apprentice.

That's takeaway one thing you can't take away from Donald Trump celebrity Apprentice.

I was not a watcher, but I believe you. I believe it was good.

I was not a watcher, but I believe you. I believe it was good.

It was good.

It was good.

I mean, listen to the man is freaking.

I mean, listen to the man is freaking.

He's funny like he's funny, he's charismatic, he's a cat like that is that is the area where.

He's funny like he's funny, he's charismatic, he's a cat like that is that is the area where.

He is an apt salute genius and you can't take that away.

He is an apt salute genius and you can't take that away.

Cannot take that away from him. So we're in agreement on that.

Cannot take that away from him. So we're in agreement on that.

Yes, we'll close with that agreement. So relevant to the discussion. We were just having lots of protests breaking out over various reasons and issues across the country, but in particular, JD. Vance, after the whole dust up with Zelenski in the Oval office, took his family on a ski vacation in Vermont, and the protesters certainly showed up there. Let's take a look. We can put some of these images up on the screen. So people were lining the roadways here with signs, most of them like pro Ukraine signs. We can see all the like Ukraine flags, lots of anti Russia and Jade Vance's Putin's puppet and that sort of sentiment going on here in Vermont. You can see these signs to stand with Ukraine, Trump serves Putin. Jd Vance is a trader go Ski in Russia. I was kind of surprised that they were able to spin up this protest this quick. Yeah, a lot of it just happened, and I mean it does go to what I do. Feel like this kind of really touched a nerve for a lot of people who were you know, because it's easy like on this show, we've had tried to have a nuanced view of this conflict and have been pushing for an end to the war since the war really began.

Yes, we'll close with that agreement. So relevant to the discussion. We were just having lots of protests breaking out over various reasons and issues across the country, but in particular, JD. Vance, after the whole dust up with Zelenski in the Oval office, took his family on a ski vacation in Vermont, and the protesters certainly showed up there. Let's take a look. We can put some of these images up on the screen. So people were lining the roadways here with signs, most of them like pro Ukraine signs. We can see all the like Ukraine flags, lots of anti Russia and Jade Vance's Putin's puppet and that sort of sentiment going on here in Vermont. You can see these signs to stand with Ukraine, Trump serves Putin. Jd Vance is a trader go Ski in Russia. I was kind of surprised that they were able to spin up this protest this quick. Yeah, a lot of it just happened, and I mean it does go to what I do. Feel like this kind of really touched a nerve for a lot of people who were you know, because it's easy like on this show, we've had tried to have a nuanced view of this conflict and have been pushing for an end to the war since the war really began.

But if you look at.

But if you look at.

The pulling people are over like, it's not like people love Vladimir Putin, they hate Putin. Zolensky has a higher favorability rating than JD. Vance or Donald Trump in our country. And so I do think it's easy to get in a bubble where you feel like because online there's all this like anti Zelensky sentiment and you know, interest in being more aligned with Russia, which, like I think if we had had better relations with all the nations of the world, that would be.

The pulling people are over like, it's not like people love Vladimir Putin, they hate Putin. Zolensky has a higher favorability rating than JD. Vance or Donald Trump in our country. And so I do think it's easy to get in a bubble where you feel like because online there's all this like anti Zelensky sentiment and you know, interest in being more aligned with Russia, which, like I think if we had had better relations with all the nations of the world, that would be.

A good thing. But that is not really reflective of where public sentiment has been on this conflict.

A good thing. But that is not really reflective of where public sentiment has been on this conflict.

I mean, the protest to me looked like a bunch of sort of and I say this lovingly, like crunchy boomer Vermont hippies, which is interesting.

I mean, the protest to me looked like a bunch of sort of and I say this lovingly, like crunchy boomer Vermont hippies, which is interesting.

Yeah, guess is that lovingly.

Yeah, guess is that lovingly.

But what's interesting is the energy where you're able to like mobilize a bunch of people to get I mean, if if you're listening to this you missed on those videos, if you hadn't seen them, is there actually are a.

But what's interesting is the energy where you're able to like mobilize a bunch of people to get I mean, if if you're listening to this you missed on those videos, if you hadn't seen them, is there actually are a.

Lot of people lining the road?

Lot of people lining the road?

And to Crystal's point, this is within like twenty four hours of all of that going down.

And to Crystal's point, this is within like twenty four hours of all of that going down.

So I think it does speak to it.

So I think it does speak to it.

We're going to talk about democrats later in the show, but I think it does legitimately speak to the energy that does exist on the left, even though some people aren't, like it's obviously not twenty seventeen right now, there's not a Women's March happening, but there's still significant, significant hostility to Trump to the point where it can rally people. And the Russia exists, it looms large in the Boomer imagination, so there's an emotional trigger I think anytime it looks like the United States is aligning, or you can make the argument that the United States is a ligning with Russia, which I don't agree with in this case, but that just gets people out into the streets. Yeah, so's there's something there.

We're going to talk about democrats later in the show, but I think it does legitimately speak to the energy that does exist on the left, even though some people aren't, like it's obviously not twenty seventeen right now, there's not a Women's March happening, but there's still significant, significant hostility to Trump to the point where it can rally people. And the Russia exists, it looms large in the Boomer imagination, so there's an emotional trigger I think anytime it looks like the United States is aligning, or you can make the argument that the United States is a ligning with Russia, which I don't agree with in this case, but that just gets people out into the streets. Yeah, so's there's something there.

There's a spark well, and I think you're right that it is part and parcel of a larger just like anti Trump, anti Lane resistance that has truly fomented and really without much leadership from the Democratic elites. You have some of these groups like Invisible and move On that have really taken the lead. You've got a few members, I mean Bernie being the primary example, who have sort of led the charge, but a lot of this is very Grossroos organizing. Meanwhile, you know, the Democratic leadership is meeting and being like, let's make ourselves more friendly to billionaires, etc. Like Emily said, We'll get to that in a minute. But in addition to those protests, there were someone some videos of datavans like on the ski slopes getting yelled at and stuff.

There's a spark well, and I think you're right that it is part and parcel of a larger just like anti Trump, anti Lane resistance that has truly fomented and really without much leadership from the Democratic elites. You have some of these groups like Invisible and move On that have really taken the lead. You've got a few members, I mean Bernie being the primary example, who have sort of led the charge, but a lot of this is very Grossroos organizing. Meanwhile, you know, the Democratic leadership is meeting and being like, let's make ourselves more friendly to billionaires, etc. Like Emily said, We'll get to that in a minute. But in addition to those protests, there were someone some videos of datavans like on the ski slopes getting yelled at and stuff.

Anyway, I enjoyed, But would you.

Anyway, I enjoyed, But would you.

Do it if you were there, would you yell at them?

Do it if you were there, would you yell at them?

Probably?

Probably?

Not, just because I'm like, you know, a public person crystals viral.

Not, just because I'm like, you know, a public person crystals viral.

Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know.

I wouldn't want to like put myself in the center. But you know, do I support prominent, powerful people getting yelled at when they're in public places?

I wouldn't want to like put myself in the center. But you know, do I support prominent, powerful people getting yelled at when they're in public places?

Yes?

Yes?

I do, Yes, I do, and not just on the Republican side across the board yell at your especially because they won't even like, you know, these senators and congress people like they're back out of their town halls. They're so terrified that someone's going to like be into them or ask them a.

I do, Yes, I do, and not just on the Republican side across the board yell at your especially because they won't even like, you know, these senators and congress people like they're back out of their town halls. They're so terrified that someone's going to like be into them or ask them a.

Hostile question or whatever.

Hostile question or whatever.

So what other chance do you have to get to express your views than when they decide to go on their ski vacation.