There are many things that could rightly make Shane Jenek furious - from social media algorithms platforming 'right wing talking points' intended to divide, to the continuing moral panic around drag queen story time, to outright personal attacks on his character. But instead, Shane is choosing a different response - namely, one of kindness and storytelling. He tells Osher why he believes this is actually the most effective course, along with:
How his relationship to his alter ego Courtney Act has changed over the years
How gender has always been a spectrum, and why that's liberating
Why he chose to write a children's book

LINKS 
Check out Shane's book Confetti and the Rainbow Garden
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com 

There are many things that could rightly make Shane Jenek furious - from social media algorithms platforming 'right wing talking points' intended to divide, to the continuing moral panic around drag queen story time, to outright personal attacks on his character. But instead, Shane is choosing a different response - namely, one of kindness and storytelling. He tells Osher why he believes this is actually the most effective course, along with:
<ul>
<li>How his relationship to his alter ego Courtney Act has changed over the years</li>
<li>How gender has always been a spectrum, and why that's liberating</li>
<li>Why he chose to write a children's book</li>
</ul>
LINKS&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Check out Shane's book&nbsp;<a href="https://publishing.hardiegrant.com/en-au/books/confetti-and-the-rainbow-garden-by-shane-jenek/9781763550735">Confetti and the Rainbow Garden</a></li>
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Watch full stories recorded live at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@storyclublive">Story Club</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@storyclublive">&nbsp;on YouTube</a></li>
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" <a href="https://linktr.ee/osher_gunsberg">here</a></li>
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</ul>

With every new day comes the opportunity to grow. Hosted by Osher Günsberg - a best-selling author, podcaster, TV host, husband, dad, stepdad, electric mobility enthusiast and part-time climate worrier. This podcast is here to help make today better than yesterday. Since 2013, the show has set out to improve life for you and the people you love. Sometimes it’s authentic conversations. Sometimes we’ll unpack the news or hear how Osher deals with life as a sober person with a different brain. But you’ll always hear something you need to hear (and laugh while you do). Listen to feel less alone, build better habits and discover some solution-based approaches for when life gets tricky.

With every new day comes the opportunity to grow. Hosted by Osher G&uuml;nsberg - a best-selling author, podcaster, TV host, husband, dad, stepdad, electric mobility enthusiast and part-time climate worrier. This podcast is here to help make today better than yesterday. Since 2013, the show has set out to improve life for you and the people you love. Sometimes it&rsquo;s authentic conversations. Sometimes we&rsquo;ll unpack the news or hear how Osher deals with life as a sober person with a different brain. But you&rsquo;ll always hear something you need to hear (and laugh while you do). Listen to feel less alone, build better habits and discover some solution-based approaches for when life gets tricky.

Helping you make today better than yesterday since 2013.

Better Than Yesterday with Osher Günsberg

Better Than Yesterday with Osher Gunsberg

How Shane Jenek (aka. Courtney Act) Authored an Answer to Division, Defamation and Moral Panic 

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/clips/4015b82b-9d1b-4b97-85d9-b3ad017a983f/transcript

It was an absolute pleasure to sit down with Brisbane radio veteran Robin Bailey for a deeply honest and emotional conversation about the extraordinary highs and devastating lows of her life behind the microphone.

I first met Robin in the mid-90s at B105 - I was the overnight guy, she was a new breakfast producer. From there, she quickly cemented herself as a staple and a survivor of the brutal commercial radio industry. In Brisbane alone, she's worked across three commercial station, been sacked at least three times (and most recently re-hired after a month thanks to listener backlash).

But away from the microphone, Robin has endured a number of tragedies that many of us would struggle to come back from - and she's done it time and time again - all under the spotlight of her radio audience.

In this conversation, Robin shares the moments that shaped her career - and her life. She opens up about losing her former husband Tony to suicide, then another husband Sean to cancer, raising three sons through grief, navigating public scrutiny, and why authenticity became her greatest strength.

We also unpack memories of our radio careers, and how Robin would like to see the industry evolve, particularly for female presenters, producers and journalists.

This is a raw, powerful and ultimately hopeful conversation about survival, healing and choosing love in the face of pain.

And a note, this episode deals with suicide, mental health and grief. If you or someone you know need support, please see the resources below.

SUPPORT:
If this episode raises concerns for yourself or a loved one, help is available:
Lifeline - 13 11 14 or https://www.lifeline.org.au/
Beyond Blue - https://www.beyondblue.org.au/
Suicide Call Back Service - 1300 659 467

LINKS 
Robin's book 'Flamingos Aren't Born Pink' is available now
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com 

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It was an absolute pleasure to sit down with Brisbane radio veteran Robin Bailey for a deeply honest and emotional conversation about the extraordinary highs and devastating lows of her life behind the microphone.
I first met Robin in the mid-90s at B105 - I was the overnight guy, she was a new breakfast producer. From there, she quickly cemented herself as a staple and a survivor of the brutal commercial radio industry. In Brisbane alone, she's worked across three commercial station, been sacked at least three times (and most recently re-hired after a month thanks to listener backlash).
But away from the microphone, Robin has endured a number of tragedies that many of us would struggle to come back from - and she's done it time and time again - all under the spotlight of her radio audience.
In this conversation, Robin shares the moments that shaped her career - and her life. She opens up about losing her former husband Tony to suicide, then another husband Sean to cancer, raising three sons through grief, navigating public scrutiny, and why authenticity became her greatest strength.
We also unpack memories of our radio careers, and how Robin would like to see the industry evolve, particularly for female presenters, producers and journalists.
This is a raw, powerful and ultimately hopeful conversation about survival, healing and choosing love in the face of pain.
And a note, this episode deals with suicide, mental health and grief. If you or someone you know need support, please see the resources below.
SUPPORT: If this episode raises concerns for yourself or a loved one, help is available:
<ul>
<li>Lifeline - 13 11 14 or&nbsp;<a href="https://www.lifeline.org.au/">https://www.lifeline.org.au/</a></li>
<li>Beyond Blue -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.beyondblue.org.au/">https://www.beyondblue.org.au/</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.suicidecallbackservice.org.au/">Suicide Call Back Service</a> - 1300 659 467</li>
</ul>
LINKS&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Robin's book 'Flamingos Aren't Born Pink' is&nbsp;<a href="https://harpercollins.com.au/products/9781460768839_flamingos-arent-born-pink-a-moving-and-uplifting-memoir-on-heartbreak-grief-and-finding-joy-by-brisbane-radio-personality-and-podcaster">available now</a></li>
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Watch full stories recorded live at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@storyclublive">Story Club</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@storyclublive">&nbsp;on YouTube</a></li>
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How Radio Star Robin Bailey Kept Going Through Unimaginable Grief - Twice

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/clips/f2e7ab38-e619-40f7-baa1-b45600550193/transcript

In this episode, you'll hear the true story of how I met — and nearly didn’t kiss — the woman who would become my wife. This was originally recorded live at Story Club at Sydney’s Factory Theatre, as part of a Valentine’s-themed show.

From terrifying encounters with a woman whose boyfriend worked for Kanye West, to a painfully unromantic first kiss involving vegan Tim Tams, it's a true story of love, vulnerability, and learning how to build a healthy relationship after years of chaos and self-destruction, plus some insights into storytelling, communication, and why true stories have the power to connect us in ways nothing else can.

If you like what you hear and want to be part of it, we do Story Club on a regular basis - all the links are below!

LINKS 
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com 

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In this episode, you'll hear the true story of how I met &mdash; and nearly didn&rsquo;t kiss &mdash; the woman who would become my wife. This was originally recorded live at Story Club at Sydney&rsquo;s Factory Theatre, as part of a Valentine&rsquo;s-themed show.
From terrifying encounters with a woman whose boyfriend worked for Kanye West, to a painfully unromantic first kiss involving vegan Tim Tams, it's a true story of love, vulnerability, and learning how to build a healthy relationship after years of chaos and self-destruction,&nbsp;plus some insights into storytelling, communication, and why true stories have the power to connect us in ways nothing else can.
If you like what you hear and want to be part of it, we do Story Club on a regular basis - all the links are below!
LINKS&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Watch full stories recorded live at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@storyclublive">Story Club</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@storyclublive">&nbsp;on YouTube</a></li>
<li><a href="https://linktr.ee/osher_gunsberg">Get tickets </a>for our next Story Club show</li>
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The True Story About The Night I First Kissed My Wife

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/clips/ebc78b4e-b5a8-43f1-8d79-b4550015a0a1/transcript

In this episode, trial lawyer and communication expert Jefferson Fisher explores the real art of communication — from difficult conversations and emotional regulation to ego, relationships and the hidden psychology behind how we speak to one another.

Drawing on his experience as a courtroom advocate and one of the internet’s most trusted voices on communication, Jefferson shares practical insights into staying calm under pressure, handling conflict without escalation, and learning how to truly listen. Together, Jefferson and I unpack why so many of us struggle with communication, how our upbringing shapes the way we argue and connect, and what happens when we replace human connection with screens and text messages.

We also cover the prevalence of public speaking anxiety, emotional intelligence, humility and the importance of curiosity over ego. Along the way, Jefferson offers simple but powerful tools for navigating heated moments, understanding what people really mean beneath their words, and becoming more intentional in the way we show up for others.

This insightful conversation is packed with useful advice you can use right now if you want stronger relationships, better conversations and a deeper understanding of what it means to truly connect as human beings.

LINKS 
Catch Jefferson Fisher live in Australia in July 2026
Jefferson's book 'The Next Conversation' is out now
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
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In this episode, trial lawyer and communication expert Jefferson Fisher explores the real art of communication &mdash; from difficult conversations and emotional regulation to ego, relationships and the hidden psychology behind how we speak to one another.
Drawing on his experience as a courtroom advocate and one of the internet&rsquo;s most trusted voices on communication, Jefferson shares practical insights into staying calm under pressure, handling conflict without escalation, and learning how to truly listen. Together, Jefferson and I unpack why so many of us struggle with communication, how our upbringing shapes the way we argue and connect, and what happens when we replace human connection with screens and text messages.
We also cover the prevalence of public speaking anxiety, emotional intelligence, humility and the importance of curiosity over ego. Along the way, Jefferson offers simple but powerful tools for navigating heated moments, understanding what people really mean beneath their words, and becoming more intentional in the way we show up for others.
This insightful conversation is packed with useful advice you can use right now if you want stronger relationships, better conversations and a deeper understanding of what it means to truly connect as human beings.
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