This is not a conversation about Savage Garden.

This is a conversation which is one of the most raw and honest conversations Osher has had on this podcast.

Darren and Osher speak about his journey through trauma and therapy in a way that's both heartbreaking and hopeful, what it really means to be "successful" while carrying invisible wounds, and how sometimes the very things that help us cope – like performing – can become our careers.

Enjoy this conversation with the magnificent Darren Hayes.

LINKS 
Darren Hayes’ new book “Unlovable” is out now. 
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com 

This is not a conversation about Savage Garden.
This is a conversation which is one of the most raw and honest conversations Osher has had on this podcast.
Darren and Osher speak about his journey through trauma and therapy in a way that's both heartbreaking and hopeful, what it really means to be "successful" while carrying invisible wounds, and how sometimes the very things that help us cope &ndash; like performing &ndash; can become our careers.
Enjoy this conversation with the magnificent Darren Hayes.
LINKS&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Darren Hayes&rsquo; new book&nbsp;<a href="https://www.penguin.com.au/books/unlovable-9781761341915">&ldquo;Unlovable&rdquo; is out now.&nbsp;</a></li>
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" <a href="https://linktr.ee/osher_gunsberg">here</a></li>
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With every new day comes the opportunity to grow. Hosted by Osher Günsberg - a best-selling author, podcaster, TV host, husband, dad, stepdad, electric mobility enthusiast and part-time climate worrier. This podcast is here to help make today better than yesterday. Since 2013, the show has set out to improve life for you and the people you love. Sometimes it’s authentic conversations. Sometimes we’ll unpack the news or hear how Osher deals with life as a sober person with a different brain. But you’ll always hear something you need to hear (and laugh while you do). Listen to feel less alone, build better habits and discover some solution-based approaches for when life gets tricky.

With every new day comes the opportunity to grow. Hosted by Osher G&uuml;nsberg - a best-selling author, podcaster, TV host, husband, dad, stepdad, electric mobility enthusiast and part-time climate worrier. This podcast is here to help make today better than yesterday. Since 2013, the show has set out to improve life for you and the people you love. Sometimes it&rsquo;s authentic conversations. Sometimes we&rsquo;ll unpack the news or hear how Osher deals with life as a sober person with a different brain. But you&rsquo;ll always hear something you need to hear (and laugh while you do). Listen to feel less alone, build better habits and discover some solution-based approaches for when life gets tricky.

Helping you make today better than yesterday since 2013.

Better Than Yesterday with Osher Günsberg

Better Than Yesterday with Osher Gunsberg

How Savage Garden's Darren Hayes went from 'Unlovable' to beloved

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/clips/d8beddbc-33df-4ed9-9a3e-b3ad017d9ff4/transcript

In this episode of Better Than Yesterday, Osher Günsberg sits down with life coach and author Jaemin Frazer for a thought-provoking conversation about insecurity, self-worth, identity and the stories we tell ourselves that shape our lives.

They explore Jaemin's remarkable journey from church pastor to sought-after coach, including how questioning long-held beliefs transformed the way he understands purpose, responsibility and personal freedom, and ultimately deconstructed everything he knew about his faith.

Jaemin discusses why he believes that insecurity isn't simply a lack of confidence, but the fear that our deepest doubts about ourselves might actually be true. Together, they unpack where those beliefs come from, why so many of us unknowingly sabotage our own happiness, and what it really takes to create lasting personal change.

Osher and Jaemin also discuss the hidden "secondary gains" that keep us stuck, why agency is one of the most powerful tools we have, how our childhood experiences shape adult behaviour, and what parents can do to help their children build genuine confidence.

Whether you're navigating self-doubt, feeling trapped by old patterns, or simply curious about challenging preconceived notions about yourself or your life, this episode offers practical insights that challenge conventional thinking and encourage a deeper understanding of yourself.

LINKS 
Jaemin's book 'Unhindered - The Seven Essential Practices for Overcoming Insecurity' is available now
Follow Jaemin(@jaeminfrazer) on Instagram
More info on The Insecurity Project
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com 

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How to Communicate Better in Every Conversation with Jefferson Fisher
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In this episode of Better Than Yesterday, Osher G&uuml;nsberg sits down with life coach and author Jaemin Frazer for a thought-provoking conversation about insecurity, self-worth, identity and the stories we tell ourselves that shape our lives.
They explore Jaemin's remarkable journey from church pastor to sought-after coach, including how questioning long-held beliefs transformed the way he understands purpose, responsibility and personal freedom, and ultimately deconstructed everything he knew about his faith.
Jaemin discusses why he believes that insecurity isn't simply a lack of confidence, but the fear that our deepest doubts about ourselves might actually be true. Together, they unpack where those beliefs come from, why so many of us unknowingly sabotage our own happiness, and what it really takes to create lasting personal change.
Osher and Jaemin also discuss the hidden "secondary gains" that keep us stuck, why agency is one of the most powerful tools we have, how our childhood experiences shape adult behaviour, and what parents can do to help their children build genuine confidence.
Whether you're navigating self-doubt, feeling trapped by old patterns, or simply curious about challenging preconceived notions about yourself or your life, this episode offers practical insights that challenge conventional thinking and encourage a deeper understanding of yourself.
LINKS&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Jaemin's book 'Unhindered - The Seven Essential Practices for Overcoming Insecurity' is&nbsp;<a href="https://jaeminfrazer.com/products-1">available now</a></li>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Follow Jaemin(@jaeminfrazer) on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jaeminfrazer/">Instagram</a></li>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">More info on <a href="https://jaeminfrazer.com/theip">The Insecurity Project</a></li>
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Watch episodes of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa-1kXDagJXvgJa9MNymv4jnKkfdtCqBd">Better Than Yesterday on YouTube</a></li>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Watch full stories recorded live at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@storyclublive">Story Club</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@storyclublive">&nbsp;on YouTube</a></li>
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" <a href="https://linktr.ee/osher_gunsberg">here</a></li>
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How to Overcome Insecurity and Stop Letting Fear Run Your Life with Jaemin Frazer

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/clips/7402ad4e-c6e3-4a31-af67-b47c004836c9/transcript

In this episode of Better Than Yesterday, I'm revisiting a powerful conversation I had with world-renowned psychologist and author Dr Susan David about the science of emotions, resilience, and creating meaningful change.

Susan shares the ideas behind her groundbreaking work on emotional agility - the ability to accept difficult emotions, understand what they’re telling us, and respond in ways that align with our values. We explore why fighting uncomfortable feelings often makes them stronger, how simply naming our emotions can change the way we experience them, and why discomfort is an essential part of living a meaningful life.

She also offers practical tools for managing stress, anxiety, comparison, and self-doubt — including how to move from 'have to' goals to 'want to' goals, and how small habit changes through “piggybacking” can create lasting transformation.

LINKS 
Listen to my first chat with Susan here
Listen to my second chat with Susan here
More info on Susan here
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com 

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In this episode of&nbsp;Better Than Yesterday, I'm revisiting a powerful conversation I had with world-renowned psychologist and author&nbsp;Dr Susan David about the science of emotions, resilience, and creating meaningful change.
Susan shares the ideas behind her groundbreaking work on emotional agility - the ability to accept difficult emotions, understand what they&rsquo;re telling us, and respond in ways that align with our values. We explore why fighting uncomfortable feelings often makes them stronger, how simply naming our emotions can change the way we experience them, and why discomfort is an essential part of living a meaningful life.
She also offers practical tools for managing stress, anxiety, comparison, and self-doubt &mdash; including how to move from 'have to' goals to 'want to' goals, and how small habit changes through &ldquo;piggybacking&rdquo; can create lasting transformation.
LINKS&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Listen to my first chat with Susan <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/better-than-yesterday-with-osher-g-nsberg1/254-susan-david-ph-d">here</a></li>
<li>Listen to my second chat with Susan <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/better-than-yesterday-with-osher-g-nsberg1/337-susan-david">here</a></li>
<li>More info on Susan <a href="https://www.susandavid.com/">here</a></li>
<li>Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday <a href="https://makeitbetterthanyesterday.kit.com/7d9d18dcee">newsletter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://linktr.ee/osher_gunsberg">Get tickets </a>for our next Story Club show</li>
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<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;multilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" <a href="https://linktr.ee/osher_gunsberg">here</a></li>
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Stop Avoiding Your Feelings: The Science of Emotional Agility with Susan David

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/clips/c7692a84-0511-43a9-9705-b473006d2ba7/transcript

In this powerful conversation, Osher Gunsberg sits down with journalist and author Hannah McElhinney to explore the complex world of chronic illness, medical misinformation, and what can happen when people lose trust in the systems designed to help them.

Hannah shares the deeply personal story that inspired her latest book - the loss of her cousin Lauren, and the journey to understand how someone searching for answers to chronic pain and illness could become drawn into alternative treatments, online health communities, and misinformation.

Having had his own experience with chronic pain, Osher and Hannah unpack the desperation that drives some people to seek out alternative solutions, the need to feel heard, and the longing for a diagnosis or treatment when conventional medicine doesn’t have easy answers. They also discuss health anxiety, patient mistrust, medical misogyny, systemic failures within healthcare systems, and how vulnerable people can be exploited by those offering certainty and “miracle” cures.

Hannah and Osher also explore why empathy matters when talking about health misinformation — and why understanding someone’s experience is often the first step toward actually helping them find their way back to evidence-based care.

LINKS 
Hannah's book 'Wormhole' is available now
Follow Hannah (@hannahemcelhinney) on Instagram
Watch Osher's documentary 'A World Of Pain' on SBS On Demand
Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter
Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube
Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club on YouTube
Get tickets for our next Story Club show
Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here
Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com 

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In this powerful conversation, Osher Gunsberg sits down with journalist and author Hannah McElhinney to explore the complex world of chronic illness, medical misinformation, and what can happen when people lose trust in the systems designed to help them.
Hannah shares the deeply personal story that inspired her latest book - the loss of her cousin Lauren, and the journey to understand how someone searching for answers to chronic pain and illness could become drawn into alternative treatments, online health communities, and misinformation.
Having had his own experience with chronic pain, Osher and Hannah unpack the desperation that drives some people to seek out alternative solutions, the need to feel heard, and the longing for a diagnosis or treatment when conventional medicine doesn&rsquo;t have easy answers. They also discuss health anxiety, patient mistrust, medical misogyny, systemic failures within healthcare systems, and how vulnerable people can be exploited by those offering certainty and &ldquo;miracle&rdquo; cures.
Hannah and Osher also explore why empathy matters when talking about health misinformation &mdash; and why understanding someone&rsquo;s experience is often the first step toward actually helping them find their way back to evidence-based care.
LINKS&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Hannah's book 'Wormhole' is <a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com.au/books/Wormhole/Hannah-McElhinney/9781761637179">available now</a></li>
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