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Doomsday Wallabies and Other Cults with Jane Borden

Published Mar 25, 2025, 7:01 AM

Kurt and Scotty talk to Jane Borden (author, new book Cults Like Us: Why Doomsday Thinking Drives America) about wallabies being blamed for crop circles in opium fields, missing Oklahoma teen slept in toilet paper fort inside Walmart for days and a 13 year old boy arrested after impersonating a doctor!

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Okay, Scotty ready, Kritty b I'm ready to laugh and laugh and laugh.

It is.

High as a kite. Wallabies blamed for crop circles.

Oh well, oh yep. You see. That's what I love about the Bananas Podcast. You just never know what you're gonna get.

But you know it's gonna be for me, It's gonna be some animals.

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Banana banana guys, gals, non binary pals, Welcome to Bananas Hello, Landis.

That's Kurt Brown all over there. How are you, buddy boy? What's new? What's good?

What's good?

Well, I don't know.

Maybe March twenty ninth, doing all the show in Phoenix, Arizona.

I'll be there, stand up live. Come on, guys, come on and.

To anybody coming to Phoenix, Arizona to that show. That'll be the first show after I've stopped my dry sixty nine. And I think you're dry sixty nine ing too right, you're currently not drinking? Uh oh, you broke it.

I'm doing a year you're off all year. I'm off all year.

Okay, Well in that case, Phoenix ban Animals, you're gonna see me easily drunk off of two beverages and Kurt keeping us on tron track, keeping it together because I am going to be Looney Tunes. So come on out and be bugs Bunny with us.

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Fie with me. That was, Oh yeah, are you excited? Yeah, let's get into it this. I have a feeling. I'll let you do the intro. But based on what I read about this book, I think the Murder Bananas are going to be obsessed with this author.

And I agree one percent it's a good choice. Our guest today is an author, journalist, and editor. She is a regular contributor to Vanity Fair, New York Times Magazine, and The Washington Post, and her new book, Cults Like Us will be published in March.

Please welcome Jane Borden.

Hi, guys, yay, welcome.

Welcome, Thanks for having me. Happy to be here.

I didn't say the whole name of the book. Say the whole name of the book.

It's called like Us Why the Bananas podcast fans love Curtain Scotty. No, it's called Cults Like Us? Why Doomsday Thinking drives America?

Oh awesome.

I mean this is going to be this is right up our listeners, alleys, this is going to be perfect for them. I love it.

Yeah, it's all about the Cult of America. I mean we were we were founded by a cult. The Puritans were high controlled doomsday group, and all their like wacky ideas about the end of the world didn't go away. They just became the foundation of American culture. So we're all indoctrinated in ways we don't recognize. It's very true.

Yeah, oh wow, So is it?

Like so like the first chapter is about the Mayflower people. Yeah, okay, great, and then what other cults do you get into?

Well, so each chapter opens with a case study of a group in history, and then like I highlight one bit of cult like thinking and trace it through American history from the Puritans up to today.

Oh cool.

Yeah, And I tried to focus on lesser known groups just because you know. So one of my favorites is was this group called Mankind United in the forties, and.

It was this is a great and it sounds so fun. Like if you were like, do you want to join Mankind United, I'd actually know.

It just sounds like a soccer team.

I'm rooting for Mankind United at the match today and we.

Sell for Yeah. It was it didn't start as a cult, but but it was a thing you had to join. It was a big scam. Ultimately, it was like a conspiracy theory scam. But they this guy argued that there was a secret group of hidden rulers who wanted to exterminate or enslave all of humanity. Oh good, yeah, uh huh that sounds familiar though, right.

Yeah.

But then but but like you know, don't despair, because there's also a secret group of white hat people called the Sponsors. And you can we can unite as Mankind and fight the bad guys if you give me all your money.

Essentially, yeah, okay, now you're turning me on it. Now you're interested.

I could tell you, Yeah, some stuff I could.

Sell you do.

All of them break down with like shadow, shadow organization that we're fighting against, and you have to be on the side of good.

I mean every conspiracy theory, yeah for sure, which is just and this is something I researched and write about. But that's just the story of the Antichrist. Sure, uh huh, just over and over and over again and painted in a different way so people don't think. People don't see the like radical Christianity in it, but it's very much what it is. Like.

So all of them are just like there is a Satan out there. It has different names. Maybe it's called you know, maybe they're lizard people, maybe they're the Maybe there it's it's the uh, it's the people who meet at that thing where they burn an owl in San Francisco every year. You know, Like what are those people called? The people who don't know the owl?

The big owl?

Were you there?

Idea?

But you guys don't know what I'm talking about.

No, you got to look up Burning Owl cult. But I would be into that. I think that sounds fun too.

Sure, it's a bunch of billionaires who all get together. Billionaires get together, the grown the yeah something grove.

Oh, bohemian grove. Yes, bohemian growth.

One of the funniest things about this project to me is that people keep coming to me to talk about cults, because that's I've been like researching this for five years. Yeah, and they're always like, and you know about this with such and such, and more often than not, I don't just because there are so many Yeah, it's insane.

Do you get into Amway at all?

I do.

I think big chapter on Amway because.

I so my dad and my a lot of my family is from Grand Rapids where Amway they have like the spaceship Mother Building right in Ada, Michigan, which is right outside of Grand Rapids, and it was legitimately like at the end of my dad's street. So I would just drive by it all the time. It's this big circular like it looks like a spaceship and it's just like sitting there and everyone they knew sold Amway and was like involved in that cold.

Yeah.

I So.

The the main thrust of that chapter is that the reason Amway is not illegal is because I mean, there's a lot of specific examples like government collusion, you know what I mean. But the main reason is because it's not that different from modern American capitalism. Like modern I believe and argue that capitalism today in America is an MLM, right, or.

Because it doesn't seem to work for anybody but the people at the.

Top bingo banngo. Yeah. And in fact, Kurt, I think you may have may have forgotten this. But at the end of that chapter, I quote one of your jokes, what.

You Do, which you found about ideating on ice cubes and a journal.

Yep, that's right.

I love that joke because the billionaires are the ice cubes and we're all peeing on them, or at least that's my dream.

Yeah.

No, I quote, Shoot, I forget the name of the track, but it's off perfectly stupid. And I was recording my audio book last week and said in the In the recording of the audiobook, guy interjected to say, and Kurt, I'm so sorry to be reciting one of your jokes, because comics hate that more than anything.

No, I don't really this guy, No, he loves it once it's out there, once he's burned that material, bring it back to life. As many times this poor guy gets not credited with the how do I land skywriting it, it pops up, it goes viral every six months, and they rarely credit Kurt and think his fans that go, that was Kurk Brown, Older, that was Kurk Brown. Yes, it still makes me happy every single time time.

I still think accounts it's the craziest thing where it's like if you run a meme account and you just benefit off of other people's labor. If someone comments, just put just at the person who did this and gives you they're at like just I don't understand why they can't simply do it, edit their posts and say like this was done by this person.

I don't understand it.

Because that's all they do is steal, steal steel.

And make money. And they make money anyway the.

Pretend because with they admit they're stealing, then it's.

Stealing, right Yeah, and back to the things, and that's.

Just exactly what we've been talking about with MLM and the government. And you're peeing on ice cubes joke for those.

That such an old joke. Know, if it's on any album, it is no.

I think for my next book, I'm just gonna quote Kurt's old material.

For those of you who are like, well, what's the joke.

Here's the quick version of the joke is uh is like I love I would be like I love it when bars put ice in their urinals.

And if people don't know this, sometimes bars have ice in the urinals.

And I love that because then I can pretend that my penis is a giant laser and I'm destroying igloos from outer space.

Yeah, I loved when you said that joke. It's great. Also, I was working in a restaurant at that time, and on Friday and Saturday nights we would dump a bucket of ice and all the urinals to use less. And it is a true joy. It is a true joy.

Yeah, I'm jealous.

But so the Puritans there are a bunch of whimps, right, Like the whole idea was the Puritans were like, we gotta leave England because everybody's becoming too Catholic. And then they get on wooden boats and just flee. Like to me that all the Puritans were just not cool enough or savvy enough to like flip it over in England, so they just ran as far away as they could.

That's a lot of it.

They were like the losers who didn't get invited to the party. Yeah, well we're gonna throw our own party and God's gonna be there.

Yeah, and it's gonna be a party where nobody has sex and nobody drinks.

It's the coolest party you've ever been to.

We're gonna we're gonna be up all night, no dancing. Oh.

I really didn't realize how much that Puritan thing affected being American until I dated it an Australian and she and she keet being like, look, we never had the Puritans, so I don't give a shit about that, Like, you know, like it's just so much freer. Sex is more free. It's like they're very it's much less of a shame based culture.

Yeah, and it's and it's it is, it's all just based on that.

That's crazy, which is like you think that you're immune from history. Often, you know, you feel like, well, I exist, you know, as an independent thinking thing, and then you're like, no, no, no, I am definitively in a stream of an American identity. Even if I if I don't love what America does, I'm still the most American brains.

Yeah.

Worse, it's so deep inside us that we can't see it. It's it's like you know, fish that don't know water.

Yeah, and it's so culty like.

It's not just like people say Puritan. And that's I guess the specific example of the the cult that were it's a cult.

The Puritans were.

I mean they were a high control doomsday group. They were. It was all about power and control. The second and third generations of like kids who were born into it were so messed up. The scholars who've poured through diary entries there was like a huge uptick in depression, psychosis, suicide, which is what always happens to kids born in cults. I mean, there's so many examples. I could go on and on, but we don't not only do we not recognize our Puritan roots, but we don't recognize how incredibly screwed up they were as a group.

This is great.

I'm exciting.

I'm very excited. No, I'm pumped. But let's shift gears in the most dramatic way possible.

Kurt, Yeah, from Colts too, Wallabies.

You know what, I had a lead in.

I had a lead in because I dated an Australian. This takes place in Tasmania.

Here, it is it's a.

It's a delightful dumb one. This was sent in by Jen Fox. Thank you Jen.

If you want to send in your dumb weird news stories, please them to DMS on our Instagram account, The Bananas Podcast. Crea can email us at The Bananas Podcast at gmail dot com. This was in NBC News.

That's real yeah, and it was written by the Associated Press. Nobody wanted today.

The Associated Press really does it like individualism. It's just always just the press here. It is high as a kite. Wallaby's blamed for crop circles. Okay, Wallaby's snacking in Tasmania's legally grown opium poppy fields are getting high as a kite and hopping around in circles, trampling the crops, the state officials said. Tasmania Attorney General Laura Gettings told a budget hearing Wednesday that she recently read about the kangaroo like marsupials, antics and a brief on the state's large poppy industry. Tasmania is the world's largest producer of legally grown opium for the pharmaceutical market.

Did anybody know that?

No other than me?

Also in Case podcast, it's an educational podcast. In Case you're wondering what a wallaby is. It looks exactly like a kangaroo, except it's about like two feet tall as opposed to a kangaroo, which is like the size of a deer.

It's a less threatening kangaroo.

It's a less threatening, a more adorable kangaroo.

Like Roco's Modern Life. Everybody loved that cartoon at some point.

Oh my goodness, that's a wallaby.

He's a wallaby.

Roco the wallaby quote.

We have a problem with wallaby's entering poppy fields, getting as high as a kite and going around in circles. The Mercury newspapers quoted Gettings as telling the hearing then they crash. We see crop circles in the poppy industry from wallabies that are high.

She just summed up her statement.

I love it.

Calls to Getting's office.

We're not a mediately returned Thursday, and the Associated Press was unable to obtain a copy of the brief. She cited a manager for one of two Tasmanian companies licensed to take medicinal products from poppy. Straw told the newspaper that wildlife and livestock, including deer and sheep, that eat the poppies are known to quote act weird.

Yeah, they're high on heroin.

Yeah, okay, a little weird.

There have been many stories about sheep that have eaten some of the poppies after harvesting, and they all walk around in circles.

They all walk around in circles.

Yeah.

Tasmanian Alkaloids Field Operations manager Rick Rockliff said.

Ooh, Rick rocklift cool.

That's a good named, A good I am, Rick Rockliff.

Others in the local poppy industry could not be reached for comment. Yeah, Tasmania supplies about fifty percent of the world's raw material for morphine and related opiates. And it is crazy because it's like right when you we took I went to Tasmania once I worked there. I taught improv for two weeks and uh, right when you we took the bus or not the bus, the boat, the water bus, the boat. We took a boat from Melbourne bus. Uh, and it's like overnight and it's delightful. It's like nine homers or something. But then you land and you you you can put your car on the on the boat and then you just start driving and you immediately just drive through I don't know, like in a full hour of nothing.

But poppy fields, it's just goes on forever.

Uh, And it's really really crazy, and it's like super high security because obviously people can make caroin out of it.

But yeah, wait when you taught your workshop where the students all walking in circles, yeah.

They were, Well, I was giving them heroin too.

That was how we did quote the funniest drugs makes everybody so fun and high energy and great.

I don't think anything makes me happier than stories about animals doing drugs.

I know same, especially if they just walk in circles, pass out, and then they're fine. We've done a few stories about that, and I think the strangest thing is repeatedly animals have the same addiction rates as humans. Like the monkeys are steal drinks, it's the same percentage that love it and become alcoholics, that drink it occasionally and then drink it once and hate it, And same with drugs with a lot of mammals. They like, some keep going back for more, some do it once and don't leg it all, and then some are like, eh, it's Thursday, I'll do some heroin. It's weird. It's very similar.

So Jane, you've known me for a very long time.

It's just true.

My god, probably since like nineteen ninety nine or something, I think. So, so you remember my Australian girlfriend. Oh yeah, So when we there, when we were in Tasmania, after we finished teaching, we went to stay on like a small in a small coastal town. And in Tasmania, a small coastal town means it's very small. And this like place was essentially in the middle of nowhere, and in town there was one pharmacy and that was it, and it was a one room pharmacy. It just stood by itself on like a lonely road and anything you needed you had to go to this one place. And so we were like, we needed condoms, and so we go in and it's like, you know, normally buying condoms at a pharmacy, it's like slightly embarrassing, but when it's the when it's like a six foot by six foot square room and it's just one fourteen year old girl working behind the counter and then you have to like come up with your the two of us come up with our condoms and that's it. Just buying condoms and it's just like yeah, slightly awkward, you know, And then we go back, and then the next day we returned.

Before a pregnancy kit.

Oh my good.

And then then we yeah, so then we bought the one pregnancy kit again, same girl in the six foot by six foot place, and then we leave, and then the next day she had had a doctor's appointment the next day and got a prescription, so then we show up the very next day to pick up antidepressants. So it looks like we were like worried about having a kid.

Oh no, had a kid, now are depressed about having a kid.

And it was all just the same fourteen year old girl like giving us all those different things. And it just struck me like if you lived in that town, everyone would know everything about you, even if you just made one stop at the at the pharmacy that day.

It sounds like that's performance art.

It sounds like that was a night I know, for her, specifically for her, and I didn't realize it until like after we had bought the third thing that third day, and I was like, this, definitely, this definitely seems strange to this woman at this point, but.

That has to keep happening in that town. Like you guys were just that couple. Those couples were coming in if that was the only business in town selling that stuff, they were probably very used to, like day after day watching people's health and issues reveal themselves. Yeah, that person could be the best novelists in Tasmania. Right now. We just don't know.

We just do not know.

She probably blew her talent on opium.

M she's just walking around that pharmacy, just can't slow down to grab the door, just circle after circle. Oh sorry, go ahead, Jay, I was.

Just gonna say, curtain. Didn't you call it a pregnancy kit?

You old pregnancy kit? I mean, did see test?

That's how you're trying to get pregnant. Maybe shouldn't have used the condoms the day before, the old kid.

It's got a little tin can full of a little tuna. It's got a little wine glass, it's got a coal miner's hat with a little lantern on the front. You just gotta get in there see if she's preggers or not.

That's right, you need you need the tuna for energy.

When I was a kid, when we were kids, pharmacists were like I had friends whose parents were pharmacists, and they were like my richest friends pharmacies. I think had really are The job of being a pharmacist in the United States has really come down talk about like capitalism being a cult. But I remember like one friend who's had the biggest house when she would have birthday parties, she had a tennis court, she had a pool. The neighbors had statues, like like Roman and Greek looking statues in their backyards, and I used to always be like, why would you want statues in your backyard? To me, was so horror Fine, it's like, let's put the scariest thing we can bright white statues of nameless people in the backyard facing each other in the house. But now it feels like pharmacists or I don't know, maybe the internet. Maybe the Internet was a mistake. Maybe you're taken that job way too.

I do know why they were in the backyard, Scottie, Oh, because on my block there's a house that has them in the front yard, and that's far more upseting. Just concrete, white concrete replicas of like a discus thrower that stands seven feet tall just in someone's front yard is the fucking crazy.

It's creepy. There's something it's like a little it's a little get out. There's something a little get out about that you know of have it? Yeah? Yeah, frozen humans trapped forever on your lawn?

Yes, because then what would be inside the house if they feel like that's totally okay outside of the house. How dark does their waken mine become as soon as you cross that threshold? Robably pretty dark.

And you grew up in the south, right, Jane.

I did. Yeah, I grew up in North Carolina. Not a lot of uh, not a lot of yard sculpture. So fountains, decorative fountains, yes, columns for sure.

Jeff a fake deer? Did you have some fake bears?

No?

I think that was considered ghosh, do.

You remember this was something we had where I grew up, where they would it would be like a shiny ball, a colored ball on like a bird feeder stand, but then a shiny ball. I don't know what those called.

I I've seen a lot of them.

Do they attract birds? Disco birds?

I can't imagine, because it almost would be like upsetting.

To look so. Yeah, it's like a bass sort of like a bird bath, only take the bath part away and then put a soccer ball or basketball side shiny Christmas ornament looking bulb on the top, and that's it, don't.

It's like it's like a mirror surface that's also like blue, red, green, yellow is also inside there, God like shimmers in a weird.

Thank god, you know what I'm talking about, because it seems like, no, it sounds sounds like you made it up. Poppy fields. Yeah, it's like I chugged four Jolt colas and just had to come up with something. But I know what the name of that thing is. They must be like wish makers or dream scatterers or had to be something where you'd like, go look at it, like you're just gazing into a crystal ball to see your beautiful yard and your face that looks like a wallaby in a in a round surface.

Oh my god, you guys, you know what it's called. It's called it's called a gazing ball, the.

Old Grandma's gazing ball.

We're so crab see your future.

Oh my god, you can get there. Some of them are gorgeous.

They are fans.

Yeah.

It's Trademark Innovations Gazing mirror ball, stainless steel and it's just a giant ball and it like reflects the yard. I think that's the idea. And it reflects the beauty of your yard. It's so important to get a good look at your yard. Not look directly at your yard, just to gaze into a magenta or light blue orb.

And does it make your yard look bigger?

It does? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

It's like a super wide angle lens. It's like your yard is in a Beastie Boys video from that.

If any of you currently have a gazing ball, send us tag us in your stories. We would love to share your gazing balls with all the other than animals.

Yeah yeah, tag it, tag it. Gaze into my ball.

Yep. Oh, here's what for you're reaching the darkness? Sent this to us. Missing Oklahoma teen slept in the toilet paper fort inside of a Walmart for days before returning home.

Oh yes, yes, good case too.

What innovator? I know, innovator? How does how is the fort made? How do you make a ford out of toilet paper?

Correctly?

Question?

You just build walls with the packaging, that's right. This was in the Mirror USA Boo written by Rihanna Smith. Yay, yay, best in the biz. The frantic search for a missing Oklahoma team came to a baffling end when he revealed he had been hiding out in a toilet paper fort in a Walmart. Christopher Dunham, sixteen, was reported missing on Sunday by his grandparents after he disappeared from their home in Grove. I guess that's Grove, Oklahoma. Police had asked for the public's assistance in finding him, but the case took an unexpected turn Tuesday night when the teenager returned after police officers had executed a search warrant on his parents house. I think there's an alleged thing where the grandparents were not the best people. Grove Police Chief Mark Morris believes Christopher had been watching a police presence around his home and that's why he stayed at the Walmart. He when the last officer left, he attempted to sneak back into the house. That's when his grandfather found him. Yeah. Usually if you're in a house and somebody sneaks in, you do find them there. And he took the team to the Grove Police department to explain the officers where he had been. Christopher said he had been camping in Walmart for a few days, explaining that he'd wait until after hours and then build a toilet paper fort over a dog bed and slept in it. Wow, So he'd grab one of those big old Walmart dog beds and big olds, twenty four rolls of toilet paper and just build a little, a little warm, little huts shoe.

I mean like, also he would wait until after hours? Where is he waiting until after Like? How do you wait out the people who close up a Walmart?

Right?

There's only so many old spin doctor CDs you can flip through.

True, not enough, I'd say they they cut short in their prime, but declining sales and lack of audience.

You know, I spin doctors and soup dragons.

I always get to those.

They were Australian. I think I'm sure they were divine. Thing was their song? I have believe exactly.

Oh my god, your memory is It's insane.

This is the most bizarre case in my law enforcement career, said Morris. Well, that just says a lot about Grove, Oklahoma. This isn't that crazy. This is just a teenager kind of running away and sleeping in a Walmart.

It's a typical teenage behavior to run away.

I'm a little envious. I didn't think of this, but Walmart wasn't that big of a deal growing up. He spent one night in the state park. I had friends that slept out of doors in high school, and other nights he spent inside the Walmart. Chief Morris at it.

I would wonder also, I hope he writes a children's book about sleeping at the Walmart, along the lines of those kids who like snuck into the museum and stayed at the museum.

Yeah, the tissue castle. Yeah, that'd be so fun. Tissue castle, White Mares. There was a thing. Do you guys remember this when I was in college. This was certainly before e commerce or Amazon, where people.

Hated for e commerce.

Yeah, they hated Walmart so much. And I worked at a bike co op and some of the kids were kind of like gnarly, like punk wannabes, and their thing is they would just fill up shopping carts full to the brim for hours in a Walmart and then just abandoned them and leave. That was something that they did as like an few to Walmart.

Yeah, because they definitely the CEO felt that, Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, that's why I never joined. But then The other thing is they would go to Walmart parking lot and put bumper stickers on all the Mercedes and Porsches and basically all the hiring cars, and they they would print them and the best one was a woman in a truck is a beautiful thing. And I always thought that that phrasing was a woman in a truck is a beautiful thing. And they would just stick them on every high end car in the Walmart parking lot. And that was their little protest.

That'd say, that's such a weird thing.

They wanted. They knew they had to hate Walmart, and so yeah, they screwed the employees and then just annoyed people by putting bumper stickers on their cars.

Yeah, college, where are these people today.

Probably running Walmart and Amazon. They probably did the full pivot and are now pure capitalists. Like deep down, they wanted it so bad.

They just didn't know that's right. They were flirting with Walmart.

Yeah, I I mean, I can't even tell you the last time I was in a Walmart. But every time tim I go, I fall for it and buy so much stuff. Oh yeah, Target from Target, give me a break.

Yeah, I'm trying to u teach my kid to be a good little anti capitalist. But she loves Target.

Oh she loves it course.

Oh yeah, it's a delight.

It's a delight.

I love it now.

I love going into a Target and.

I have food. I mean that's where that kid should camp out.

Yeah, you could just eat all night.

There's Starbucks, Walmart tough food too.

I think that's a is that a super Walmart?

Here, I am betraying my ignorance of Walmart guys.

And also, you can camp in a Walmart parking lot and they will not kick you out.

That is which is actually pretty cool.

Smart for if they allow you, or camper some places called camper, you can go and park in a Walmart parking lot overnight. They do not care at all. And I think the idea is in the morning, everybody gets up, they go pee, they get coffee at Walmart, they buy the supplies they need for their camper, and they push off. I did it in twenty twenty when I read an RV and I slept two nights in a Walmart parking lot yep.

And I think a lot of van lifers they do.

They do that.

They sleep in Walmart parking lots. Pretty often interesting. Yeah, they do do one nice thing great. Also, it does seem it does seem like a simpler time when Walmart was the big enemy.

That's what I'm saying is there was a time before e commerce where you were like, they're the number one evil empire, and now you're like, yeah, go to Walmart by a cooler.

Now they're just one of many.

It's exactly. It's just like, yeah, they're just yeah, exactly.

There's still they're still yeah. Yeah. I will say though, my daughter one time saw me reading an article that had elon musk and babies in the title and asked me what it was about, and I explained pro natalism.

To her, and then she goes, I don't understand pro natalis.

So this whole movement, uh, it's gaining a lot of traction in the far right.

Oh of having lots of kids, having.

Lots of babies because the bugbear of like, oh, who's gonna support social security when if there's no workers in the younger generations to support you know, but of course immigration usually takes care of that, and anyway, we could be problem solving other ways to fund social security instead of just having more babies. But at any rate. She she asked me what was about, and I explained it to her, and she goes, he probably just wants you to have more babies so there's more people to buy his stuff.

Ye, she gets it, she gets it.

She's note the proudest, proudest moment of my life, Prouder even than when she won the Crazy Costume Award at gymnastics.

I knew it was over as a young man when they had Wii Box, when they made little Rebox for kids, and I was like, who would buy tennis shoes for their children? And then every single person in my life has Air Jordan's for their you know, six month old, And you're like, oh, I'm an idiot. I didn't see this coming. I don't understand how deep this goes.

Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel about almost everything in the world's I did not anticipate this, and that is why I like this shit. I like strange news because I'm like, I'm looking to not anticipate it, whereas everything else, I'm just like, who knew post Malone is popular? Okay, who knew?

It's hard to be surprised anymore about you guys do it?

You do it for us we love it. We can't get enough of it. The dumber gets, the happier we get.

Here's a delightful one to take us off into. Some thumbs up.

Oh yeah, boy thirteen arrested at hospital for impersonating a doctor after turning up wearing scrubs and fake id went the distance.

Yeah, here's the thumbs ups. Anthony WP wants a thumb himself and his team. I think you mean to support team for beating cancer after four year battle. He also during that time lost a long term relationship, lost his mother, and his brother got the same type of cancer. Anthony just got stable. Results is officially in remish his word, not mine. Nice. And he stole Kurt's mantra and got a tattoo that reads this is temporary Kurt. I saw that one. Yes, he says, Kurt makes me want to be a funnier fucker, which is nice. And in ten days, which I think is a month or two ago, now Anthony married the finest human ever and gets to spend the rest of their temporary lives together.

Ums. That's Anthony, and it's such a good It's a version that you talked about because I said I was going to get this tattoo. This is temporary, and Scotty said, oh, you should get it like it's fading out a little bit. And he got it kind of almost like a stamp that's like rubbing off, but it's his entire or entire lower arm.

It's it's huge.

It's like, oh, man, that's better.

Than I would have done. I would have gotten it small, and I still might. I still might do it.

I think you should.

Oh. And also, folks, by the way, speaking of this, we are working on Banana's Fest two.

Whoa, whoa, It's it's coming again. It will be in Denver again.

Won't can't give anything else away, but hopefully we will have many tattoo artists on hand to give out tattoos for you.

Chelsea wants to thumb up her fiance Becky. They might be married by now. She loves bananas. She calls us her buddies, and Chelsea says thank you for keeping Becky company on her commute and keeping her saying as she pursues her graduate degree in Library and Information sciences. And she also says, come to Cleveland. Well, Kurt's gonna be in Cincinnati. You can go see Kurt. Yeah, that's different.

I love Cleveland. It's such a fun place to perform.

We'll do bananas in Ohio at some point, maybe this year. We got a lot of people in Ohio. I ran the numbers. There's a lot of people in Ohio. So we'll do a city there for sure.

Oh maybe when we go back to Chicago in September.

Sounds fun to me. Yeah, Cincinnati's not too far away. This is a nice one. See, the three of us are all writers, so this is a great one to do. On this episode, Amanda's thumbing herself way up. She's super proud. She's been working for nine and a half years as a drone technician and has been delivering thankless uncredited work. But recently Amanda was named a co author on an article in the Journal of Science and the papers and the peer review process, but when it is published, Amanda is going to frame it. So she finally got ignowed for all her tireless work.

Isn't that awesome in the legit science of science?

Thank you and congratulations to Amanda. And last but not least, hmmm, I got a lot of them here. How about this one? This one's nice. Pamela wants to thumb her dad up. Her dad, Oh, nameless dad. By the way, didn't name the dad, but that's great. Dads don't need a name. Dad is enough. Pamela wants a thumb her dad up. He has donated over twenty gallons of blood in the last forty years. God, Pamela needed a blood transfusion as a little kid to save her life and ever since, her dad started donating every fifty eight days and has never stopped. Gallons of donated blood. Thumbs up to Pamela's nameless dad, A true selfless dude. That's such a Banana the week. Yeah, Banana the week.

Congratulations, that's such a dude.

Way to do it too, every fifty eight days on the dot for an entire life. That's that's masculinity done right.

That's yeah right. Also, I don't think you'll have any microplastics in them. Apparently when you donate blood it lowers the amount of microplastics in your system. Is so Pamela's dad might just be free flowing old that.

It's smart.

Wow.

And of course we are here with the wonderful Jane Board and you can get her book. Cults like us, How doomsday thinking something America?

Yeah?

Why doomsday thinking drives America?

There it is.

You can get it right, you can get it in March everywhere, March twenty five, March twenty fifth, Thank you for the date.

And how is How did it come about?

I mean, I've always been interested in this stuff. I was a religious studies major in college and I had been writing about Colts for Vanity Fair and one day I, just because I'd been doing so much research on it, I started noticing all the patterns right of the thinking behind these groups and the indoctrination. And then I started seeing it everywhere in American culture, and I was like, this is you know, it's a global phenomenon. Obviously it's a human phenomenon cults, but there's something specifically American about it. And then one day I was just like, oh my god, the Puritans were a cult. No one talks about that, but they.

Were yeah, that's and I love it.

And then so does it have Is it purely journalism or is there a memoir aspect to it as well?

I mean I show up in there every now and then, but it's mostly you know, it's mostly research and argument and a lot of jokes because I can't help myself. Also, it's like a dark topic. You gotta make it, you know, it's it flows, it's.

It's voicy, easy to read, it's easy to read.

Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's not dense at all. But improv comedy shows up on page five.

Yeah, oh my god, that's such a good It's so true.

It's very culty, very cultisy especially.

I mean we we came up with the cultiest of the cult.

Yes, yeah, we literally like revered a bearded white dude.

Yeah yeah, yeah, sure.

It was framed on the wall.

Yes.

And so for those of you, like I met Jane going at Upright Citizens Brigade Theater in like the late nineties, and it was one hundred percent a cult.

It was one.

It was you were it was people paying to take classes, then people performing for free, and then the audience was the people who were paying to take classes to pay to watch other students who were paying class to take classes perform improv comedy, which seventy five percent of the time was horrible. It was like fast that it was.

I was like, this is a money this is a money making is a genius move.

To like have this and then and yet I'd do it again, and you would do it again, you would do it?

YEA love to? I love to. I actually come out on the side of it not being a cult based on a technicality is a technicality.

Because it doesn't make a lot of money because you had to wet bankrupt.

I mean that's not untrue.

Yeah, yeah they did.

But the guy we were quote unquote worshiping was dead first of all. But also I didn't I didn't feel I didn't really feel that exploited.

No, you're not exploited other than like performing for free.

Yeah yeah, yeah, And I feel like the exploitation is what makes it a cult, you know, or at least that's the problem. That's the problematic part of it, right right.

Oh yeah, the community and sense of purpose is wonderful.

Yeah, well, you guys clearly craved a stage. I think at some point it's like, hey, here's a place to perform crazy he's here. You go hop around, make everybody laugh. But then at some point, when you become skilled at that thing, they should start paying you. But yeah, starting out, it's like I just need a spotlight in a stage. I just need to be somebody and learn something, And it's so exciting and then at some point you're like, so nothing, We're just going to do hours and hours of this for audiences who were having a great time, and then we don't get drink tickets.

That was it always felt where it was just like after and you would tat you would hit a ceiling after like three or four years of it where you're like, okay, and now what's the next thing, and they're like there isn't this is it?

This is like oh and then you have to get out of it. Yeah, all right, you want to hear about this boy?

Yeah, I love doing Yeah, I want to hear about Doogie Bowserser.

This was in.

Manchester Evening News, which is a classic. Lot of people are reading it outside of Manchester.

Like us James all the time. Three times I.

Wrote this, He's the best and the biz boy.

Thirteen arrested at hospital for impersonating a doctor after turning up wearing scrubs and fake ID.

Yeah that was a ChIL was arrested.

Yeah, let's say a teen A child was arrested by police at a hospital following reports of a person impersonating a doctor. Witness claimed the youngster attended the hospital in the morning of January nineteenth, wearing scrubs and with a fake ID. Police were called to Derryford Hospital in Plymouth at around ten thirty am. It has not been confirmed which part of the estate the youngster was on, so to use youngster twice and not say teen is a weird move. Nor whether he had access to patients or medical records.

They don't know and they have not found out.

Why would they.

Police have now confirmed officers attended the hospital and a child was initially arrested, but later dealt with by means of quote words of advice. That's nice on not dressing up as a doctor at having a fake ID, and no further action will be taken. A spokesman for a spokesperson for the Devon and Cornwall Police said police were called at ten thirty am just saying the exact same thing. It's just been said. Officer's an attendant and arrested thirteen year old boy. Boys de arrested and the matter has since also that word I don't think exists in American nady de arrested, de arrested, and I would like to introduce it to America. If you arrest someone, you can de arrest them. We now know because the UK does it. They de arrest people, and I think we should be able to do that. I feel like in America it's like once you're arrested, it's like this thing kicks in that is like an unstoppable behemoth.

And I think we should be able to de arrest people.

Yeah. Also, let's redefine impost syndrome. Like, I know, imposter syndrome as we know it is like self doubt and I don't belong here and I'm not good enough, and like I'm in a career situation or a life situation where I don't fit in. But what you're describing should be what imposter syndrome is. It should be somebody that loves to impersonate another job in career and goes all the way in. That's a way more exciting way. The other one is like, oh, this one's like, oh yeah, this guy's in there. He was two doorsway surgery.

Think about how much guts it took at thirteen to be like I'm gonna a fine scrubs, I'm gonna be make a fake ID, and I'm gonna get into the hospital and be a doctor.

Why why what did he want?

Because he's in the movie Catch Me if I if you.

Yes, It's like this kid needs to be monitored. This is like the the you know how like serial killers torture animals as children. This is the first scam artists to be following This sounds like a narcissist.

I don't know. It's a baldness for sure. This is a bold child. A lot of us at that age were just like just trying not to get pushed over, trying to fit in anywhere we could. This guy's like, I'm going to the high spittle, I'm going to start treating patients now. I like about it.

I admire, I admire this kid.

I love it.

Jane is concerned that he's a artist. I do have that concern it as well. But I am still I am. I am owed and wowed by the hutzpah of like, I'm going to be a doctor today.

And kids, he well, he.

Did did get away with it because he got to arrested, didn't he.

He got arrested, didn't he? Uh?

Some kids his age are just camping out among toilet paper and walmarts.

Oh, this guy's making things happen. He's wearing costumes.

It's the difference between the UK and the US.

If you could make a fake ID that was convincing, is that what you would use it for?

To be a doctor's the funniest thing. He doesn't want to drink.

He wants to cure people, or he wants to see ladies naked.

Oh my god, it's so much to do when pornography is literally everywhere.

To go and pretend to be a doctor on the hopes that you get into a gidological exam and no one taps you out before you're like, let's check, let's take a peek.

Yeah, that's one way to do it.

One way to do it.

Scotty said this home with just a headline.

Hmmm, jump rope pro. Jump rope pro saves neighbor and dog from a nice pond with his jump rope. That's such a nice I mean, what a nice way to go out. It took twists and turns, but at the end of the day, this is a person who used their jump rope and pulled out a neighbor and a dog from a frozen pond. Beautiful. There's hope. There's always hope.

And I love a word like jump rope because it really does just describe is what it is exactly.

The what it is and what it doesn't.

Tiddleywinks. This is jump rope. This is here we are How does it work? Jump rope? What is it?

Jump rope?

What do you do with it?

Jump rope?

Thank you? Jane. Can everybody find you?

Where?

Can they find your book? Where they can they pre order all the good stuff?

Yeah, I'm at I'm at janebordon dot com or I'm on Instagram at Jane Borden and the book is available for pre order everywhere until March twenty five. I'm going to be doing events in La New York, North Carolina. We'll see where else.

Cool.

Yeah, I'm so happy to have been here. I love bananas. You guys are the best longtime.

Enjoy very much. We're glad to have you, and good luck and bananimals go out there. And Jane even recorded her own book, So order cults like us and laugh and laugh and laugh and enjoy and learn something because this is, at the end of the day, an educational podcast.

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