We've been told success means standing on our own two feet, but Petra Bagust isn't so sure.
The broadcaster and Grey Areas podcast host talks about her late ADHD diagnosis, why she's embracing aging, what caring for her parents has taught her about community, and why "nobody is truly independent"

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Brooke van Velden on leaving politics and what comes next
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Mark Law on the daring Whakaari rescue that saved lives
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