In this episode we chat about jobs and Rach changing her career in her 40's. Also when you lose your job, who are you left with? We unpack identity loss, Katie’s “fallen star” moment after radio, and the harsh reality of fair-weather friends when the spotlight fades.

Aging gracefully.... kind of
21:33

Who will we be when the kids leave home?
24:32

We like dining alone!
10:58