Working it Out with Jillian Michaels

Published Jan 21, 2019, 8:00 AM

Jana goes into major fangirl mode when she talks to fitness expert Jillian Michaels, but she’s not afraid to bring up Jillian’s controversial comments about the ketogenic diet. Jillian explains what the backlash was like, and why she stands by her statement. 

Then we talk to a fertility specialist from USC, who answers all of your questions about pregnancy and beyond.

And after a HUGE argument over the weekend, Jana has a lot on her mind to bring up to Mike, which might make things worse.  

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Wind Down with Jane Kramer, and I've heard radio podcast I have to pee so bad. Of course you do. This is what I do. Jenna thinks it's inconvenient to pee during her day. I think it's the most time consuming, most time time consuming, so time consuming. I have to force you to go to the bathroom, like I'll ask Brian. When I asked Jolie, I'm like, Jolie and Janna, do you have to go to the bathroom. If you do, tell Daddie and I'll help you. I get both you at the same time. Well, no, even at the airport, You're like, I have to pee. I'm like, god like, no, because and that just wasted five minutes to have to Now we have to walk down. We could have been home five minutes sooner. Uh we had to sit in an hour of l A traffic on the way home, and you wanted to sit that way having to pee. Okay, you you literally forced me to go to the bathroom. Yes, I do, like Janna, go to the bathroom. And it's like Jolie, I treat you guys the same. Put you both on your little potties next to each other, the white both of you. No, I just I don't know what it is, but I knew I had to pee. I had to actually pee about an hour and a half ago. But again it's there's so many things I have to do before I use the bathroom. Like my friend Rachel and I were talking about this when they came to visit um over the holidays, and I said, I have to go to the bathroom, but then I'm not going to go because I have to do I have to I walk past the laundry, so I have to put the laundry in the dryer, and then I'll stop by the refrigerator because I'll probably have to make something for Jolie. And then I'll see something on the counter that I have to do, and then I'll take a phone call and then it's five hours later and I'm like, I have a bladder infection. Meanwhile, if I feel like I have to go to the bathroom just a little bit, I'm like, you know what, it's a good time. I'm gonna go in the bathroom and I'm gonna stop whatever it is I'm doing in that moment to go have my time and secualary. And I realized now that why when I was a kid, why my dad would take so long in the bathroom where they had to go numb. One or two, I realized it was escaped from the kids. And now I'm realizing I'm becoming that guy. But here's the thing that's what's so frustrating is because I know when I know when you're in the bathroom, because it's at least twenty to thirty minutes of where's daddie and you're I opened the door and you're playing like Solitaire on your on your phone or something that would be more realistic five minutes, but even five minutes feels like a longer time. It's your feet will go, my legs like go to sleep. If I sit on there any longer than that, that's when you know you're on too long. When I stand up or something and like my feet are tingling because they fell asleep from sitting down too long. I love that this is just become a full on conversation. But since we're on this topic about the kids, I see Julie doesn't let me go to the bathroom because the other day I actually sat down because I had to pooh, and so Julie comes in. She she was mommy poopoo, and I was like, can I just have five minutes? Even when I had take five minutes, I still don't get five minutes. I understand she Uli does that to me too. But what's funny you there about you when is when you're like, hey, can can you hold Jason? I have to give a bathroom and I'll be in the middle of doing something and you're like, hey, can you hold it? And I'm in my head, I'm like, what do you do when I'm not here? Like do you actually with him in my arm? Literally? It was so I was like I had to go so bad I couldn't put him down and kept crying. So I was like, all right, Jason in the party with me one arm cradling him, and I'm like wiping a button. That's a parent right there. Parent life. Anyways, Well that was a fun little topic for you. There you go put I'm bump boom, and I still have to pee ladies and gentlemen. So we have Jillian Michael's calling in any minute. And I just do realize how big of a fan I am of hers. I thought I did until you started geeking out. I know. So I'm such a big fan of hers that I actually went to one of the Biggest Loser Finette live tapings in l a. I. I just think it's so good. She's so mean, but she's just like awesome. She's like the abbe Leie Miller of of workouts, of weight loss, you have weight loss. I feel like that's you have that persona in you. You just wish you could be more mean, Like you're you're already in Alpha and the Boss, but you wish you had more mean in your body. Yeah, like like that. I feel like I have a lot of people listening right now, like Kathink like, well, you can kind of be me. Oh, you definitely can. The one is closest to you. We definitely know you can be. But your heart is still in a good place. Um, there's something else that's gonna say about her. Oh so there's this stuff going around right now that she totally diss the Keto diet, and so so what does the Keto diet into? Keto diet is basically the whole thirty but it lets you have wine, and it lets you have some fruits, not all thru it. Lets you have Um. It basically is putting your body to ketosis is that the right word. No idea is that markya. So there's certain things you can have. It's it's very similar to the Whole thirty. But she hate eat it on it and I'll broker a few other people or Andy Cohen just said, well, basically dissed her back. So I'm really curious to see what she thinks. Because we tried the Whole thirty and I wanted to quit every two. I was like, Michael, come on, we don't have to do this. We don't have to deprive help justifying everything. I just really wanted my glass of wine. So I'm on the on the Wine thirty, That's what I'm calling. So I'm still doing the whole thirty, but I'm letting myself drink wine because why the f not. I sent a text message to Juliet I go, look, I am thirty five year old making adults. If I want to have it a thin glass of wine, I'm going to have one because I can sound like a lot of justification, rationalization, whatever right now what everyone does when they have like a New Year's resolution, Everyone's just like, you know what, I'm an adult. No, I'm still I'm still following some of the rules for the month. We're following a lot of the rules. Besides But besides that, I'm pretty sure it was a dirty compliance. I thought you said we weren't doing that. I wasn't until I saw it. I'm gonna have two lasses one. It's not my fault. What do you think you're gonna ask Jillian work out questions? There is going to be more like workout No, not workout questions. I'm interested. I wrote two things down which I can just ask her on there. Okay, well that was fun, has a lot of fun. Would you like me to you want to discuss the questions down? Out of all the things she's done, she's done a ton, right, what is she most proud of? Probably her kids? You know, shed were accomplishment, most proud of, most proud of, most proud of you say, I don't talk. Oh. By the way, we got into an argument the other day in Mark and Michael was the biggest a hole in the whole entire place. We've talked about this. You're supposed to save all arguments for this podcast. I know, well, this one we could not table. So we got into probably our first blowout in a minute. Yeah, it was a while and so we have some old behaviors come off for like, we both kind of pretended it didn't happen. I did talk to my therapist about it though, so we did. Are we going to process it with our couples therapists? We can keep him in the dark to know, Okay. Well, anyways, so we're in we're in the bed and he's being really mean because he gets really mean when we argue, Like he says really nasty things when I when I go offline, I can be mean. By the way, though, sidebar, when people go offline, they also can kill spouses. So that scares me when you say, well, when I go offline, I say mean things. I'm not a monster. Maybe these people are. They are. I'm just saying, you know, things people can go offline. You never know what to do. Anyways, we got into this argument and he made fun of how I talk. Maybe if you speak clearer and I that shooting. I just no. He basically says that I don't talk right. You don't talk right. No, it's just you have a different vocabulary than others. So basically, if I said, because the charger thing, the power outlet I'm looking at on the wall, a chargers charges things. So she said, she said, there's a charger in the living room. And I got the liver room and look for a charger and there's not a charger out there. And I said, there's not a charger. Say, kid, you know what the way the thing you plug stuff in like the charger. I'm like, you mean the power outlets are that thing? So God bless you, honey. Anyways, but you mocked me, and that wasn't very nice. I don't know where I was going with that, but that canvy would lead to the argument. No, the argument, we can't talk about it on air. I got triggered. Oh this is what happened. So I got triggered by something and he was also thinking about So I got giggered, and I will in that moment, I would have liked if he acknowledged the trigger because he was also thinking it too, and I wasn't ready to say, Hey, a great topical, Jillian. So let's definitely talk about this. Okay, we have to call it right now, yes, but this is a good tease, so you will elaborate more after we talk to Jillian. I just love your voice. Marks stay tuned. We'll we'll elaborate more after we talk to Jillian. Okay, So Michael and I are moving to Nashville and we are knee deep right now in designing our home, which is what I'm so excited about joy Bird. So each Joybird piece, it's furniture. It's made by hand with care and precision, using high quality hardwood and responsibly sourced materials to fit your exact specifications. They're also a limited lifetime warranty included. So the best part is that there is a three sixty five day home trial, so you skip the furniture store and you basically bring the showroom home. You get to sit on it, sleep on it, and break it in. And if you don't love your Joybird, you return it for a full ref and it's hassle free in home delivery, but even remove all the packaging materials and you get free returns within two weeks a delivery. So I just ordered the Soto chair and Taylor felt gray in maplewood. 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Brooklyn dot com is giving an exclusive offer just for our listeners. Get twenty dollars off and free shipping when you use promo code Joanna at brooklyn and dot com. Brooklyn and is so confident in their product that all their sheets, comforters, and towels come with a lifetime warranty. The only way to get twenty dollars off and free shipping is to use promo code Joanna at Brooklyn and dot com. That's b r O O KA l I N e N dot com promo code Joanna. Hey, Jillian, Mike good, Um, how are you? Oh good? We've been a little bit hectic lately, but good. So you're in New York right now? Right? I was talking your Instagram last night because I'm a massive fan. So you're in New York promoting your book right? Oh? Well, thank you. It's totally mutual, and yes, that is. We were in Toronto and now we're in New York, so I know how crazy today and the book tour is for you. But I'm just we're so thankful that you um called in because again, like I said, I've been a huge fan of yours for a long time, so I'm just I'm super excited. I know, I know we only have you for ten minutes, so we're going to drill you right now. Is that cool? Oh? Please? Yeah? Absolutely? Okay, so obviously we have to talk about the drama that's going on right now about the Keto diet and the things that you than. I'm so sorry. Can we talk about that? Okay? Honestly, I think it's kind of ridiculous because it's so ridiculous, and the fact that they fired back like that honestly pissed me off. And I wanted to be like she was just obviously you know more than they know, because you're it's my job exactly. It's like it's like, um, you talking about being an anchor person or a host, you know, doing their job, right. I mean, it's But what's interesting about this is that I've been two years researching this last book, and I had a co author, which I very rarely do, specialized in the space of anti aging, and you know, we together review hundreds of studies, interviewed the top These guys are called euroscientists. WI, you're scientists that specialize in anti aging. I personally work with the top end of chronologists, registered dietitians. Like, this information is not coming from me personally. I didn't just come out and go, you know what I have in the band like this is this is science. So by the way, it's also a common sense. But you know, so for keto diet, what is what is the problem that you're there? They're basically you're not getting the nutrients that you should be getting. It's a kind of a long answer, right, because there are so many problems with it. So I mean, let's first look at what the diet of spouses. And it's kind of tough to get to really pin someone down because people do different versions of it. So for example, I'm so sorry. I think my eight year old is dancing in the room and I love the dancing and the singing, but if we could keep the singing just right now? Uh? And I, by the way, I remember seeing you a tailgate best with your little girl on stage, so I know that you're I totally understand through. Please forgive the background noise. But um, so thinking it as follows, right, First of all, what keto are most keto people talk about is like, well, it's low card, right, And the whole key is to be in ketosis, which means you're depriving your body of carbohydrates to the point of what is quite honestly considered a state of medical emergency, and the body then starts burning through fat at an accelerated pace, and we think, well that's great, right, Like who wouldn't think that's great because there's no other source of fuel. In addition, people with infulin related health issues like type two diabetes or polycystical variant syndrome. Are saying, oh, well, you know it's helped me reverse all these conditions, And you'd also think, well, that would be great, right, But the reality is that you can do all those things with common sense eating balanced macronutrients right, restricting your calories, and work not on a consistent basis. Because by the way, I had pc US as a kid, I was overweight as a teenager, and I not only have kept myself help eating common sense, clean foods, balance macros, but it's helped thousands of other people achieved the exact same thing. So point being, you can get all the good with a healthy diet that has none of the side effects. Now, yeah, I wasna because Michael and I, Michael and I challenged ourselves to do the Whole thirty this month. We've we've already quit. But do you do you feel this? Do you feel do you feel the same way about the whole thirty? No? I mean this is the whole thirty is just whole foods right for thirty days? Yeah, but no wine, Jillian, no wine. Okay, I'm a mama too, Okay, Okay, So you know what's interesting about that. So basically just just kind of drop up on the key too. You're you're you're starving your body of fiber micronutrients, which are vitamins and minerals when you cut out food groups um of macro nutrients. Right, so yoursells are made up of seen fat and carve. We've seen that diets high and saturated fats and animal protein are bad for achilomeres, which would these little taps in your DNA strands that protect yourself. It's taxing on the liver, it's taxing on your adrenal system, it's taxing on your thyroid, and the list goes on and on and on. So when you look in the mirror and you think you've lost weight, you're you're not seeing the damage you're doing to your inside long term. So again we could go on and on and on, and I write all about it in the book. But well, we're talking about wine. That's actually a very This is something I act. I did a bit of it about faith because for years, alcohol is not great when you're trying to lose weight, right, So I would say that you know you've got to stop drinking if you're trying to lose weight, but when it comes to longevity up to they say to drinks at night, and I was just in my mind, I was like, Okay, that's it's a lot of alcohol over the course of a lifetime. And we do know that drinking too much is related to ovarian cancer, breast cancer and can contribute to ABC. Okay, so think six to eight drinks a week max. And no more than two to three max. A night. It's fine. I just want I just want one a night, Jillian, one a night. That's fine. That's good for you. So especially brand the aging. It helps to remove amyloid plaques associated with Alzheimer's from from your brain. Literally, it's like a bath for your brain. It helps keep your liver primed with specific enzymes and improved detoxification and digestion. Because when we really talk detox like that's the job of your liver. Nothing else is doing that except your long your liver. Just mean, it's not sweating, it's not starvation and not eating, it's making sure those organs function optimally and keeping your liver prime to a little bit of alcohol actually helps you do that. Um and red wine has a lot of anti axims and polyphenos in it like resveratrol to help fight free radicals. So you're you're doing fine. There Can we drink wine together sometime? I would love to. That's the that's jan is happy, she's set for the day. She she just needed to know that she can hang out with you and also justify her wine drinking because we eat healthy right, And that's and that's the thing too that brings me to my question, Jillian is obviously so many people across the country, especially during the month of January, you know, New Year, knew me and all that stuff. They want to diet, they want to work out. What is your advice from your profession, your experience for someone you know who is trying to change their eating habits or workout habits, what's their advice? What's advice for them to like stick to it? Okay, First, I would say a balanced approach, one that isn't too extreme one way or another, whether it's fitness or food, it is not only better for you, but it's more sustainable. But the second thing is that at the end of the day, anything worth having right, whether it's a flourishing career, a healthy relationship, a healthy body is going to require work and some sacrifice. But if you have a why, you can tolerate the how. And how is the work on the sacrifice associated with the goal. Then that's why I always say, like, work with a purpose becomes passion, but work without purpose just feels punishing. And I think we already feel punished up by the stressors of our daily lives. You're really gonna stop and think, how is my life going to improve? I go to the gym for twentyman's stay instead of you know, just going home and picking up take out and sitting on the couch to watch my favorite show because it sounds good to me in this moment. And I mean, like details, is it meeting your kids kids, is it looking good in a wedding dress? Is it wearing a two piece instead of a one piece? Is it sexy with the light song? Which I happen to think is greatly overrated? But you know what, it's the day from us, So you know why I cut out our options. It doesn't matter what the reasoning is, as long as you care about it, and if you care enough, you'll do the work and it will be worth it. That's fantastic and so relaying that message everybody. What's your y every day, Jillian, Like, what motivates you to do the work that you do across the board? I have so many right of course, now, like you guys, I have young kids and I want to be around for them. I want to meet their kids. I would love to meet their kids kids. I want to set an example for my kids. I want to be the mom that's like powerful and strong and on this geeselopes with them, shooting hoops with them, not like on the sideline, you know, kind of with a soda in my hand. Not that I judge any of their parents, but for my kids, I want to be in their lives, not on the sidelines of their lives. And I want to show them it's okay to make time for yourself. It's okay to make yourself a priority because then you're better able to support other people. So family, of course would be number one. And you know what, like any other human, I want to look good. I want to feel good about my body and feel comfortable in my own skin. I want to wear skinny jeans and feel good in them. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and it doesn't mean, you shouldn't feel good at any size. I just personally feel better when I'm a size four. You know, that's what I feel, healthy and strong. That's amazing. So, Jillian, you have your new book out right now. It's The Six Keys unlot To you know. I don't let you just use it because because I just got time. Time. It's The Six Keys to Unlock your Genetic Potential for ageless health, strength and beauty. And bottom line's an anti aging book and I'm not afraid to say that. And the whole idea is that we should want to be the best version of ourselves for years to come. So whether you your grandparents had Alzheimer's and you want to prevent it um or take every stuff you can to prevent it, or again you just want to look and feel great in every decade of your life, this book is designed to help you do that. Well, Gillian, we love you. I love everything you're about. So thank you so much for coming on the show and to talk to us. We appreciate it. And good luck with your book. I'm going to get it right now. I'm gonna I'm gonna hold you to that wine day the next time we're in the same Oh yes, please, all right, Julian, Okay, thanks. She wants to have wine with me. That's amazing. I just like the fact that she's because when I work out with Aaron, she'll be like, no wine. It's like Aaron, you know, I'm going to have wine. But I think it's all about, like she said, it's moderation. It's not about starving your body of things. And I think when we did the whole thirty we started, we took away things that we like your sandwich is, yes, do you have to have a sandwich every single day and have breads and passes? No, But it's things in moderation, which I think is important instead of just completely taking everything out of your diet. Because we're going to put those things back in even though I'm not doing I'm you know, I'm not doing cheese or dairy this month, and and carbs grains, but I'm gonna eventually have those again. So why why don't I I don't know, it's just it's gonna be just so fat to me. No, And that's a thing, like Jillian was saying, it's all about balance, whatever kind of change you make in your life. And if people just drastically change everything they do for a new year, their new New Year's resolution. Then just that just added adds so much stress onto whatever stress they already have in their life. Granted, it depends on your mentality too, Like for me personally, personally, speak for yourself. Um, I know that for like carbs, for sandwiches and everything. I just love a sandwich at lunch. I have to cut it out completely. What you can't just have one otherwise I'm just saying for the time being, like for this month, because yeah, otherwise I will have one one day and it's like I hadn't we yesterday, I'll have another that was really good. I'll have another one the next thing. You know, it's like four days in a row I had a sandwich, and if you want a sandwich, I know, I know, But then you know, what's the point of even unquote doing a diet if we're not going to do something. I'm just trying to break my habits, which is why I wanted to do this begin with, not have the protein bar every single morning, actually make breakfast, and we've made lunches and had salads or and I never eat lunch, and actually eating real fits you never ate lunch. I always had sandwiches, So now we're actually having substantial meals at lunch. Oh. I do have a question though, for you that they about working out. So I've made the workouts for the calendar, but yet you've not come out to work out. So you say you want to work out, and I put it on the calendar, then why don't you fall through with it? So you're being basically you're doing I never but the thing I never said committed. I never said yeah, absolutely, I'll do I'll be there. I just thought you wanted to work out with me. For you, I think for me, the times that you work out are my least motivating times in the day. When do you want to work out? In my in my career and everything, I was mostly first thing in the morning, like six am now, right, But again now we have kids and all that, so that's just not a realistic thing when we're up with the infant right now. Um. By the way, Michael got rule ups at last night and he slammed his hand to the wall glass that was rough was a zombie. I don't even remember that, really, you don't, not really I do. I remember you going good and then next thing I know here hand to the I was like, Michael, switch now immediately go to bed. He said, no, under, I'm gonna get him. Go to the room immediately with my tail between my legs and head down. Well, sometimes it can be so frustrating when they keep crying, but that's when you that's when we got to tag out bed. But anyways, so I either first thing in the morning or later at night. It's just your time isn't motivating for me, So I just have to find my own time tapping up. 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We did a live podcast event down in Santa Monica and we held basically a live Q and A for people to our fans to ask us questions. And one of the reoccurring questions that came up time and time again was about infertility, and so that's why we wanted to have you on talk Um talk a little bit more about infertility. And then also we really want people to email their questions into so we'd love to have you back on the show so you could uh answer some of the questions that come in love It sounds great, Okay, awesome? Who So, uh, Michael and I have done a couple of rounds of ivf UM and so we of now two kids. So we are we are officially I believe I think done having kids. But are you ever officially done? Well that's the thing. Michael's about to make his snipped appointment and I was driving in the car. Didn't tell his babe, but I was like, I mean, maybe maybe we should try. I don't know. After last night, I was like, yeah, we're done. We do. We have a seven week old and so he's in the midst of Yes. No, my kids are ten and twelve, but I remember those days very vividly. But I do have a question though about if that was to happen. So, you know, I'm I'm thirty five, so technically I'm geriatric pregnancy. I'd be geriatric pregnancy, right, No, I thought, compared to my patience, you're young. Well technically the thirty five isn't that geriatric? Was that they call it? No, No one goes. I mean, it's horrible to call anything geriatric. But um, I mean I think after the age of thirty five, there are can it harder to get pregnant? Um, there can be more complications and so um, you know, you just have to kind of keep up closer eye on certain things. But most pregnancies really aren't that different after the age of thirty five than before. Christian what about it biologically make like causes uh more difficulty once a woman is because thirty five is relatively young still in the big picture of life, what about it makes it so much more difficult about getting pregnant or in the pregnancy Sapa Bross both getting pregnant and also any and the increased risk of complications throughout pregnancy. UM So, in terms of actually getting pregnant, the biggest issue is that, um, the eggs are older. UM so, women's eggs are in their ovaries since before they were born, um and so, and they're not actually fully developed, and so they go through their final stages of development at the time and of like when the egg is being released at ogulation and when it's getting fertilized by the sperm, and so all the little mechanical parts that are responsible for guiding that egg through that developmental process. Like if you're trying to get pregnant thirty five, those little chemical parts of three five. If if you're trying to get pregnant at forty, those mechanical parts are forty and so, just like mechanical parts of a phone, a car, a computer, you know what, they just fail and screw up. Um And so unfortunately with the egg, when those little mechanical parts go like when things go badly, then oftentimes it leads to an embryo, which is just a you guys, I mean as if you've been through IBF, you know it's just a fertilized egg. UM. That embryo just can't become a pregnancy. And so the issue is is as you get older, those mechanical failures are become more common, and so what that results in is that when you release an egg each month, it's just less likely that that egg can become a pregnancy, and so it just might you know, that's why can take longer to get pregnant UM. And that's also what causes UM miscarriages to go up as you get older, because those same mechanical errors lead to UM chromosomal abnormalities. I don't know if you guys had your embryos tested. We did, but testing that we had done was a couple of years ago. So I know now they test twenty one chromosomes. Yes, so we test all we can test all the chromosomes UM, and the testing the you know, the technology that we have is you know, it's better than it was three years ago, which was better than five years ago. It's always refining and getting a little bit better UM, and all of that testing is just it's really just chromosome counting in your in your mind, let's say, in let's say in twenty years, where do you think we're going to be out with infertility and the progress of where the medicine is going. UM. What would be really amazing is a way to kind of figure out, um, in a much less invasive way, what the issues are with the embryo. Like not, I bet you we are not going to be doing a biopsy in twenty years anymore. In order to test the embryo. We're going to be able to look at, you know, the media that the embryo is growing in, and the embryos that are abnormal are going to like spit off kind of like toxic things, and we're gonna be able to measure those things in the culture media and just kind of figure out from there. With embryos we can put in, we certainly are going to have much better capability of kind of testing for things like your predisposition for diabetes and other types of diseases like that. I mean, I think it's a fine line of like where we ethically kind of start intervening too much in terms of what we're choosing. UM. Yeah, I think that was always Mike's problem. He said he didn't he felt like he was almost playing god in a way. But yeah, that's the one aspect of it. I was kind of like, just put you know, put her egg in there with sperm and kind of let the best man win almost kind of thing they didn't do. And I you know, the way I was explained to my patients with IBS is what's kind of happening in some aspect to anyway, Like when they're getting the sperm ready for like right before they do the fertilization, they're prepping the sperm and like they're only selecting from the very best sperm. So it's the kind of same process that would happen normally in the body is kind of happening in the lab to some extent. And yes, if you're doing that procedure called XI again, I don't like, you know, which that was hard for him to pick. Yeah, Like they're picking one sperm and putting it into the egg, but it's random, like they can't. I mean, they're picking from the best, which is exactly so in a way, it mimics what's going on the body, right, Like you're picking from the best because only the best sperm in the body you're going to get to the egg. Well, only the best sperm are going to get being that final sample in the lab. And then it's really random like there's millions of sperms that are surrounding that little egg in the Floppian tube, and so it's really random which one binds to the egg, and it's really random which one the embryologist happens to pick to put into the egg. So it's kind of both um, you know, all about like how good this firms and a little bit of randomness, And in those situations it's so fascinating. It's really when you really think about the details. I think about that every time we do an egro treasle, like I cannot like, how is it possible that I can just stick this needle into this little fog, I'll drain it and we somehow get an egg. It's out of this world. Yeah, it truly is a miracle when you go through the process, as you know, and that's what Jenna and I have told people that that we have some friends that are beginning the process right now, and we say the same thing, where like, it's truly a miracle when you get down to the science of it all. And like Jenna was saying, we've got a lot of questions when we're doing a lot of podcast and what what do you have? What kind of advice do you have for couples or women that are going through the early stages of IBF, you know, just mentally and physically how to prepare themselves. Um, I think it's really I think probably the most important thing is to try to kind of take care of yourself a little bit. It is so easy to get wrapped up in the process and it's so emotionally draining. The time is too, is the medicines make you crazy? Yeah? And yeah that medicines like impact like how you're feeling, and so to the extent that you can do anything, even if like once a day, to keep yourself centered. Um, not like stress about little things like it drives me bananas, Like when people are help patients, like, oh, you can't have any caffeine and you kind of one step of alcohol and you can you have to eat this and do this, and that leads to this restrictive life that is so miserable and causes so much more stress in an already really stressful process. So, you know, doing things that kind of can get you through and knowing that like you might need to lean on the people around you and reaching out when you need help and finding some like knowing that it is because it's going to be stressful, like finding that kind of support network, whatever it is for you. And maybe that's not a person, maybe that's writing in a journal, but something that kind of can get you through the process. So I guess I don't know. I just it's just so hard because I just I feel I mean, sometimes I feel guilty because you know, now we have that. People are always asked me, you know, how do you stay positive? And in the moment, and I say to them, try to stay positive. But in the moment, I couldn't even stay positive because you don't know what the outcome is going to be. Now I can look at the outcome and be like, oh, now we have two beautiful kids. So I guess I know what you're trying to say is you're trying to say to stay centered, but it's just so hard. When it's really hard. You want that family, and then you want to be hopeful, right, Like you don't want to be a pessimist going into it, and yet at the same time, like being hopeful is so scary because it leaves you so vulnerable. Um and you're just kind of open to that that fact that it's just not going to work. And I think you know, depending on how old you are and what the circumstances are, sometimes the chance that it's going to work is low. And so how do you kind of manage kind of going through this entire process without just being like emotionally crushed at the end. And I don't really know any way to kind of really mitigate that and kind of keep that from happening. Yeah, no, no, I mean, no one can prepare you for that roller coaster of physically and emotionally, and so you go through and know that it's a roller and knowing that, I think is that's actually huge, is that there are so many ups and downs of like, oh, you're so happy because you have this many eggs, and like oh, you're devastated the next day because the fertilization is poor. And then they call you the next day and they say, oh, then roals are developing, and then oh abnormal. It's like the ups and downs and ups and downs. It's really you know, it's it's draining. In Janna nice situation. So we actually got for both of our children, Janna became pregnant naturally for both and it was both times. It was one month after it failed IVF cycle. Is that common from your experience? Um? It happens all the time. UM. And you know, we don't think that it's like it has actually anything to do with the I V S because like the IBS process doesn't really do anything to kind of, um change what's going to happen in the next cycle. Um. But we see it all the time. What about medicines that I'm taking the progesterone and things in my system now because the progesterone is gone, Like why don't you stop taking it? It's gone? Um? And that effect doesn't kind of carry you over to the next month. But I did get pregnant though each time. Yeah. No, I mean like with the I VS with the IVF, so maybe I had this some hCG in my system and they don't even going to start you on your next cycle, like you won't get your period into all that. It's like kind of all those hormones of like kind of washed out of your body with time you get your period. Um. I was I mean it's probably yes. Is it common that like it would happen so closely to both IVF cycles And the answer is obviously no. Um, But we see it all the time. I mean it literally just takes one good egg, one good sperm, you know. Interesting. Yeah, all right, well, um, so we're going to have our listeners right in, so you guys right in Janna Kramer at I heart media dot com and then Dr Kristen bend Dixon. Um, you're going to answer the question. So we're excited to have you back on and we just really, um, we hope that you guys email in again Jana Kramer at I heart media dot com and she will answer your IVF questions. Yeah, no, I think it's it's so important. It's there are so many women that struggle with infertility and um to the extent that we can make the process more transparent so they just kind of understand what fertility treatments are all about, um, you know, understanding miscarriages where such are which is such a like not spoken about subject and kind of and also egg freezing, you know, in terms of just what we can do to prevent people from having to go through IVF later. Yeah, there's a lot to dig in there. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much, and we'll be talking with you soon. All right, all right bye. You know what is sad actually the other Um, the other night, I started, you know, scrolling on my phone and I saw I was looking through my video. It was just kind of clearing some videos out of my phone, and I saw the video of remember how we tracked the IVF process, and then I put it on YouTube. By the way, that yawn face wasn't nasty. Um you know where he's like trying not to yawn, so he was making a weird face that just happened. Um. But I I was just watching the video and it just it pained me because I was crying and I found out that we lost lost the baby or the embryo, I guess because it was only I was only a few weeks at that time. But and then now I look at it, it's like, man, I wish, I wish I could go back and say it's gonna be okay, You're gonna have a baby in in a year and a half. Right, it all sounds the fact. And I just I for the women out there that are struggling, I have a lot of empathy for you, but hopefully you can see the silver lining with other people's stories. And I think that's exactly what just being the spouse in this situation and wouldn't seen you go through it is the people around the female going through this process. Is all you can do is be empathetic. Don't try to say make any promises, don't try to say it's gonna be okay even just say that sucks and just allow you to feel those feelings, because there's nothing that like I could say as a husband and make you feel better. Well, I feel like you should say more than that sucks. No, but I'm saying just feel that. You know what I mean. No, I would say it hurts me too because I know we I want this family, So that sucks. Wife was like crying in the bathroom. All right, Well, anyway on the earth the rest of our day. I don't mean like that not dismissive. Do you want to read try that? No, because I'm imperfect. I love that. 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Kind of, but let's just get this over with. So okay. So the other night Michael and I something happened and it was a beauty It was beautiful, but I got very triggered afterwards, and I wanted to say something to him and express because you know, our therapist say if you're feeling something, expressed in a way like, hey, I'm I just felt trigger and I want you to know so that I don't take it outsideways on him. But I didn't say anything because the moment was so great that I didn't want to ruin it. So I didn't say anything. And in the back of my mind, I was hoping that he was going to come to me and acknowledge because I was hoping that he was feeling the same trigger because the situation we both know was it was a major trigger and it was going to Yeah, it was. It was one of the few, if not the last, kind of major trigger that we haven't addressed or experienced to this point. So and it became the biggest elephant in the room in that moment. Yeah, So we went to bed on Yeah, we went to bed. We went to bed, but without us really talking about the elephant in the room. And I thought about it all night long. I was really upset. I cried about it. I was I mean, I didn't sleep at all because I was so upset, and I I was going to say something, but then I was just, you know, thought to myself, Okay, the next morning, it's probably just going to pass. Well. And the next morning it did not pass. And so Michael's trying to talk to me on Saturday, and I just I stayed pretty mute, and I said, just I'm really not ready to talk right now. I just need some time. It's basically what I said right before we brought up the situation. Yeah. Remember, because I I took like half a day in the morning, I was like, I knew something was going on with you. Yeah, you weren't ready to say what it was. And so then we I finally brought it to you and I were sitting down in the couch. You were reluctant at first. I was reluctant at first because I was afraid of your reaction, and I got validated in my fear of his reaction. So I sat down and I was telling him how it how that night made me feel, and how I got triggered and these are the things that came up for me, and you did not listen to me. You went straight into your shame, and basically it validated and for me, I have the hardest time, and we just talked about in therapy. I have the hardest time bringing up a fear of something because I don't want him I don't want his reaction to be off. So the fact that you validated my fear, which I know I've done to you two plenty of times, and it sucks, but that when that happened, I just completely I mean we we. I was so upset. I went into the bathroom. You started to get me and I started crying. So I went into the bathroom and was crying, and then you come in, guns blazing, and it just escalated from there, which then you triggered more stuff because now you're elevated to a screaming point. And then once then I got offline after that because you had already and I was like, man, I did what I was supposed to do. I told you what I was feeling, and then you didn't hear me. Michael, I want to make sure that you feel heard right now, and I don't just go on and defensive. Yes, you're right. I did not handle it correctly, and ultimately I apologized profusely for not addressing the elephant in the room in real time, which I wanted to. And what it came down to was I didn't have the balls in that moment because I knew such it was such an impactful trigger. I was scared. I was scared to do it. And because we've been on such a good run, everything's you know, been so great, we've handled things appropriately, so for this situation, I was just kind of reverted back to, kind of subconsciously of maybe if I don't address it, we won't talk about it and everything will be okay, and sweeping under the rug, which never worked for us, and most couples it doesn't sum it does, but not for us. So even when I was trying to convince you to talk to me about it and reassuring you that I was in the place, even I didn't know how it was going to react. In my mind, I was like, Okay, I can handle this. I can. I can listen to her. But then for me, any time I get any opposition when I start to speak about it, or speak about anything that's shameful or triggering or traumatizing for me. If I think by trying to hear you, I didn't feel heard, But that was my mistake. I was trying to feel heard when you were trying to feel heard, which that's not how it works. I have to hear you first. I have to validate your feelings. I have to especially as the perpetrator, I have to empathize with you so you can feel heard, understood, et cetera. But we've had this discussion argument many times where I rushed that and I try to feel heard immediately, or I tried to explain something. I tried. Yeah, it was me trying to explain something. And then any time you would ask ask a question. It would trigger me because I'm just trying to explain to you about the situation, talk about the trigger, and then you'd ask a question about it, and then I'll feel like, yeah, I didn't feel heard. I felt like you weren't listening to me. I'll see you own attacked and then feeling attacked about a shameful situation. Just I mean, throw me in a pile of shame. So I think it's a good topic to talk about the fact that we were both there was the elephant in the romans why we couldn't. I mean, I know why I didn't. I know why you didn't. But at the same time, it's like I wanted you to step up and and say, hey, I'm sorry that this triggered you, and I know you're probably thinking about it, because of course I'm thinking about And that's what I want the guys to hear too, if their wives let their girlfriends, let them listen to this is the fact that we're We don't never forget, so it's always it's always in the back of our of our minds. So if something from an old argument or whatever happened that it was a break in your relationship, I promise you if that situation might come up again, that they're thinking of it, so you should address it and say, hey, I'm sorry if this maybe causes you some pain. Yeah, And it's just taking responsibility for your actions right in which you should do in all aspects of life, and that's living with integrity. And in that moment, I didn't because I just wanted to run run away from those feelings. I mean I could have also said something as well, but I was just so. But even even with my therapist, I discussed it with him and I defended you were vouched for you and said, I acknowledge that in this situation, it was a hundred percent up to me to bring it up because it was an undiscussed, unprocessed trigger that we have not gone through. So because even he said, you know, well, you know, she can equally bring it up and express her I was like, in this situation, which you do, But this, this particular situation was up to me, and I put that on my shoulders and it just it just was handled poorly and that but that just goes to show like we don't even though we talk about all this stuff on on the show, we still go through the show. Yeah, and we do not do it perfectly, which is why, Um, you were very mean, so I really mean, but we rebounded faster than we should do. So the moral of the story is, um, I don't know how to talk, apparently, because when Mike's mad at me, he mocks me. And that was our big fight and we got triggered and there was a few things that were thrown, a few punches. No, I'm kidding, but I did, Like I mean, my I scream so loud, my voice hurt, like it got real rudneck in our hus like my voice I had. I didn't have a voice days honey, we still got it like but but honestly, it made me the next day, I was super depressed because it made me so sad that we went back there. Yeah, I agree, I totally agree it was. It was really sad. I was very disappointed in both of us that we allow there we go. But no, just in this situation, handling things, especially triggers real time is the that's the take away. That's that's what you gotta do when there's when there's stuff like that, there's your less listen less, there's your shoot. This is this episode. Just be titled Janna really can't talk. So there's your lesson listeners, all right, So I'm sure your full bladder is not helping, so we don't get to know the actual instigating moment um. Basically, Mark, you're such a producer. You're just such a producer. I can see that the US Weekly headlines. Now, I just feel like all the listeners are very curious, and of course it's your life and it's up to you, but I know that's what they're thinking. I don't even know how to say in a way to scoot around it. There was a sexual something sexual that Mike had done actually with someone else. Oh wow, that we never really discussed and we something happened and then that yeah, so yeah, so it was very hard. It was hard. It was a tough It was a tough pill to swallow. And so it was a flashback to that memory of knowing that they did something like that. So it was it was tough. Wow, thanks for asking, Mark, what's going into a spot? Well, I have an email which probably isn't gonna help things, to be honest, as I prereate it. It's an anonymous email. My husband unfortunately had an affair and we are three months post me finding out. When I found out, it took off my wedding ring, it took it out all of the wedding pictures. As we are in marriage counseling, we've decided to move forward, but I'm struggling putting my wedding rings back on and putting out wedding pictures back up. I feel like both are tainted at this point. How did you overcome the feelings associated with those and be able to put the rings back on and the pictures back up? So we have not officially put the pictures back up. It has been how many years post coming on five years? Four years? No, no, baby, I'm saying at the infidelity and a half. So it's been two and a half years post discovery and we have still not hung our wedding photos up. There are still photos that I have hard time looking at from our past because it triggers me to what was going on in that moment. Having said all that, when we packed up our stuff in Nashville, I saw the bin that I threw all of the pictures in, all of our wedding photos, all the knickknacks that were for us, our wedding book, um, photos of when I was pregnant. I mean, just so many things that I said, I will never be able to look again, look at again. You stole all those memories for me, and I yelled at him so much for that, said, you took away this from me, you took away that, And now I can't look back at this photo and be happy. But it is. It took two years to really now be able to go back and look at it and say, Okay, those memories were still my memories. I still was there and I was present, not saying you weren't present, but it was a different version of present. I'm how do I say that? It's it's not that you weren't present, you weren't fully there, But it doesn't mean that you can take away those memories from me. So I shouldn't allow you to take those memories away from me. So for the listener that wrote, don't let him have hold that much power over those memories for you. But it takes time. Again, I am, I want to I don't you know. I don't even know if I want to hang our wedding photos in our new house. I don't know. Yeah, that's something. So for her, it's been three months, you said, Mark, which is and I'm on two and a half. I still don't even know if our new house will even put that up there, because in all honesty, like we've had some photos from like you know, the the pregnancy shoot and all that that I love, like the big canvas when you had of us bone up for me, I'd rather have those two. And we put up our when we renewed. So this here's what I will say for the photos too. We renewed our vows in Hawaii, so we have that photo up. So it's putting the photos up that are new and real, and in time I hope we can hang one of our old photos and say, you know what, look how far we've come, and you can still be proud of the photo that's there. And honestly makes me sad just because I loved our wedding photos were beautiful. They're beautiful, it was perfect, and it makes me sad too to think about having to be hesitant and reluctant to even look at those photos and essentially tainted. Yeah, and I think once we are to that place where we can both have that mentality and look at them and not think about where we were then, but appreciate where we are now. Then when we're to that point, maybe we can put them up. And I think too, we did something that might help you guys as well as we grieved. There was a box of photos and I said, oh no, no, it was the I made you a year is our year anniversary gift. I gave him a year anniversary gift of all the photos of the year and at the very end and I said, I can't wait to see what next year holds. And I was like, well, and I came to you and when we're moving out of our former national house, and we sat down and we looked through it all and we grieved. Yeah, and I'm we might have to do you might have to do that with the wedding photos. We might have to do that again. And honestly I want to because I want to be able to hang those photos and not just think of that so hopefully. And but I will say to you, you are three months in, give yourself time. Yeah, they don't don't. You shouldn't even be thinking about that. And and too, I did, so you can't say that because I mean, I still, I mean, I was so upset about that, like you ruin those these photos from me, I'm saying, don't think about putting the pig like you know, to worry about putting the pictures up right now, or your your wedding band or your wedding ring. I understand that's what you want to think of, because it ruined all of those things. Which also Jane and I both got new I got a new engagement. I would not put that ring back on my finger. I said, I don't want it. I don't want this ring ever on my finger. I got a new band, So that way there aren't those you don't look down and the ring, the symbol isn't tainted. So for us that was important. And even if I says, I don't even care about what it is, I just want I will not put this back on my finger and said, all right, me neither. So I am. That's really good advice for the anonymous emailer that if you're going to recommit to yourself, post things and where things that represents the new commitment that you're making. Wow, that's great. Uh. Jericha emails that don't kiss my baby. It's the subject line. So I'm newly pregnant, but I automatically know not to kiss someone's newborn baby. I don't think it's appropriate at all to begin with. But effort's horror stories about babies and people kiss them. How do you not be rude? But make sure, hey, don't kiss my baby. If anyone puts their lips near Jason's lips, I'm gonna smack him. I don't like, I don't want people kissing. Well, this so germs too, and the baby. Someone I forgot to tell you this. We were at Disneyland watching the parade. Someone recognized Jolie and gave her a hug, and I was like you, I don't even know you. And all the girls we were just like, got so upset. You're just not telling me this. I totally forget. Well, there's a lot going on that day, like fifteen hours of Disneyland, was a lot of the toddlers. So when I came home, I didn't want to talk to anybody. So but no, yeah, it was it's like, if you if you're a stranger, don't don't touch my child. But then if it's family, I still don't really want. I mean, yes, you can kiss the baby, but don't. Lips are totally off the subject. I think It's one of those things that we even have to remind ourselves with Jace where his parents, well, we say goes, so try to have that kind of a whole mentality, be like, look, no, don't kiss my baby. The whole faces off limits. Absolutely, But come on, Grandma fine, I think grandma is an aunt because the only babies I've ever excuse me, only Grandma's and when you're taking care of them, you kiss their cheek. Yeah. I mean, I'm like, I think if you're very close family, that's the only or like a like a best friend, that's fine, but like a random friend, even dicey on the friends. I mean, I let's Sarah kiss Sarah kiss his pread? Yeah yeah, but I mean if it was a guess for me, if it was anybody, but like my sister is pregnant, that'll be my first nephew, my first niece and nephew. Excuse me, I'm sorry, this is a great topic to bring up. I do not think that you think my niece and nephew in mouth. So he actually does have a niece and nephew my brother's kids. But this is my point exactly. You do not think of that. You though, no, you don't clearly because this is my first nephew. They're not babies. It doesn't it Okay, Roy, I'm not going to call you uncle anymore. But oh, Mike, you're an idiot. Idiot walked right into that way. No, I do consider a Van Dylan my niece and nephew. I do. They're No, they're twelve and thirty guys, so maybe not right. All I'm saying my point, your sister, Yes, you're new, your your first ever, our first. I have one nephew, thinking our new nephew like him, I would kiss, but a friend's baby even or anybody else's I wouldn't like nobody else's. I would do it if it was if Steven was just now having a Van Dylan. Yes, I would kiss them because I am their uncle and I consider them my niece and nephew. But when I met him there seven and eight, and they already have like three uncles before you, so it's right, I mean, for all the cares. And Jeanne has got another uncle here, we're not calling him uncle. I think like if I saw James, I don't. I'm not gonna hold Jay seven. That's like what unless you were like, hey, can you, but if you kiss him, you're right, I'd like permission, but like my nieces, yeah, I think there's like, that's the line your friend has no business like up, I would kiss my friend. I kissed Davy. Come on, it's my best friends baby. I wouldn't want kiss him where the cheek. And yeah, I would never do lips. I mean I like make out with my baby, but I always try to see I know I was when he's hungry because when kiss him, he starts sucking on my upper lip. That's how we tested he's hungry, seedy. But yeah, ligious lips are off off off limits. So yeah, we don't blame you. Okay, so huge thank you to joy Bird. Go to joybird dot COM's jan and receive an exclusive offer for off your first order by using the code Janna Brooklyn and get twenty dollars off and free shipping when you use promo code Janet Brooklyn and dot com nom visit Noon dot com slash Janna to start your trial today. Stamps dot Com. Go to stamps dot com, click on the microphone at the top of the homepage and type in Janna man creates. I know maybe you want to do this one just for Valentine's Day. Get fourteen percent off when you spend one or more. A man creates dot com slash one. You may have been wondering what donut Mike was eating? Oh yeah, Michael, what was the donut that you ate earlier? 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