What to Do When You Don't Know What to Do

Published Oct 11, 2021, 5:10 AM

Jana welcomes a close friend on to the show after she endured a traumatic assault. Hear her powerful story as Jana tries to figure out how she can help her friend move on. 


Trauma specialist and therapist Susan Zinn helps us understand how to heal, how to support, and what to do after a traumatic experience.

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Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. All Right, everyone, welcome to another week of Wine Down. How you doing, Cat good, how are you? I'm good. I just got back from therapy. It was so good today. Good. Yeah, it was. I mean, every day is good. I love my therapist, but it was it was just really nice because she gave me kind of like this list of things to kind of look out for for like in the dating world. And then when we were reading it's basically like types of abusers, and I was like wow, and you start to kind of think back on past relationships and you just it's like, man, maybe I wasn't like crazy, you know in certain relationships like red flags to look for like when you're doing. It was just it was, it was just it was I know, I know, maybe I'll share it one time. It'd be fun to have her back on for that. But so, I know, last week we had, we had some fun. This week it's kind of going in a different direction. Um, but I I'm really really really proud of um what's about to happen because um, first and foremost, we've got gig on with us right now. Hi Gigi, Hello, So back you're back, so Um, a lot of people felt I mean not a lot of people. Everybody fell in love with Gigi when we were in Connecticut. Gigi is um she helps sit the kids, watch the kids whenever she's home from L s U. And she was able to come with me on set um for a few weeks while I was filming the Holiday fix up, and people just fell in love with you, Gigi, like in love and you know it, you know it, Like people like took a photo of you at the airport, didn't they? Yes, But I was nervous from that happened. I was like, are they are they taking a picture of me? And it it was of me? But um. We ended up sitting next to each other on the plane and she was like, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to scare you. I was just sending a picture of you to my brother and I was like why, But as I think what people loved about you and what I love about you is your energy and you're just so fun and you're just like you have like such an amazing spirit and life to you. And but something happened in um Connecticut, well yeah, New York, and that um you you texted me I don't know, a few weeks ago and you said that you wanted to talk about it. Yeah I know. Um I texted you that I was going to write a book and then you said you should come on the podcast and I was like, yeah, that's probably a good start, but um yes. So while we were in Connecticut, um, I took a solo trip to New York and you know, I ordered my cute little outfit like I was. I was so excited to do it because you know, I'm nineteen. Nineteen year olds think that they're really independent, but just just hear me out. Um. So I went to the train station. It was a Sunday, and I got on a train to New York and I didn't really have a plan for the day. I was just kind of walking in literally all the stores that I could not afford anything at, but I pretended like I could, a little pretty woman actions yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just to feel like important, like I did whatever. But um so it's a really fun day. I faced times all my friends from home. I was like, look where I am. Whatever. So I went to a restaurant and I was sitting by myself and it was, um, I can't remember the name of it, but it was an Italian restaurant. On look, I don't know exactly where it was Lower Lower East or something like that. I don't know. I was told way after the fact where it was. But um, I went to dinner, UM met these two really cute girls and they were like, yeah, like, let's let's go out together. And I was like, okay, great, Like they were super sweet, super cute, and we went to um this bar. Um. I'm not gonna name drop it just it doesn't add that much to the story. But um, the last thing I remember was I was at that bar and I woke up in a bed with my contacts out. I did not have my contacts, and I couldn't see anything. Um my parents were on the other side of the room, and my shirt was still on, and I got up out of the bed and my purse is luckily next to me and my phone still like thank god my phone still had battery and my purse was next to me because I don't know what I would have done if they weren't. So I snuck out of the apartment and I couldn't see anything, like I'm I don't have good eyes at all, Like I can't see far away from me. So I I saw someone, but they weren't They were in like the other side of the apartment. I couldn't even like describe the apartment layout to you. They were like literally in this hallway at the back and their back was facing me. So I snuck out of the apartment and I sprinted down the hallway trying to find the elevator, trying to find something. I just I could not, like, my head was spinning. I didn't even think it was real life. I can't explain to you the feeling of what I felt. And I was in such a panic because I was alone in a big city and I had no idea what to do. So I called an uber and I got in the uber and I was like, look, I have to go back to Connecticut. Can you take me? And he could tell that something bad had happened to me because he was like, yeah, I can I go to the bank and you can just pay me cash for it. And I was like whatever, just like go, go, like go, and he was like what happened? And I was like I don't know. And he was like, were you with someone? And I was like I don't know, and like that thing, like everything after getting in the uber like does not feel like real life, Like I still can't believe this happened to me, and that like I'm sitting here today talking about it. So I got to the bank and I withdrew four dollars, which is what he had asked me for, which is also just so messed up in it of itself, because he had already like he had clearly known what had happened. Like I wasn't I wasn't coherent. There was nothing about me that looked like I was okay in the slightest. I started bawling crying the second I get in his car, and like, I'm so blessed that I made it out of the apartment. And I still don't know what had happened to me at the apartment, like I know nothing. And we're driving and I get on the phone with one of my best friends from Nashville, and she can clearly tell that I'm out of sorts. I'm not my sentences aren't making sense. It's just very I sounded chaotic, is how she explained it. She was like, you just sounded like you didn't have anything put together. And it was one in the morning in New York and I was in a random uber. After I was great and um, the uber took me to the nearest hospital, which was thirty five minutes away from New York and forty five minutes away from where I was staying. And it was two in the morning, so nothing was open. I sent Janna into a full on heart attack at two in the morning. Um, my friends were not my friends. My one friend that I had called was blowing up the hospital phones and that sent me into a I don't even know. When you were at the hospital, they they they ran some labs on you and would remember we said the police officer said to you the amount of drugs that they put in your system. I should not have made it out of the apartment or to the hospital because it was a date rape drug that they put in a drug I don't know the proper name of it. Um, it's just generic roofy it is, I don't know the name of it. And I and when I talked to the nurse, UM, you know, there was just like she's she had a high dose of rufie and she's not coherent. Because when I got the call it was at Yeah, I was somewhere between two in the morning and I had to work at six am, UM that next or that that day, and I was I was supposed to be home at a loven so you had thought that I had already been home. But yeah, so anyways, so you find out, you know, the police come in and talk to me, take my and go through everything. I get as much information as they could. UM. I had a rape kit test UM done on me, which was UM. I was convinced at that point that nothing had happened to me because I would not let myself believe that I had just been raped. But fast forward, because I the hospital experience, I just that's a lot, that's super heavy, and I don't even know half of what had happened. May because I finally got there and I felt like I was safe m Um, somewhat safe, I guess. But I made it home the next morning at seven and I slept and then the kids came back, and UM. Luckily I had some help by day, which was really good. UM. But I felt so normal, and then I started beating myself up for feeling normal about it. But I knew I had a great support system. Everyone. Everyone was there for me. UM. You know, my friends were checking up on me like every hour, Like everyone's like, oh my gosh, Like what do you need, Like how can I help? Like do you need to go home? I was like no, because I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened, Like there's no way to cope with a trauma of that night and make it feel real the next day, not like it didn't feel real until weeks after. Because at the time I had a boyfriend, and um, he was very much half of my support system, which I've never been codependent on anyone because just in my family situation and everything, I have a lot going on in my life, a lot. Um. Some people think I'm scatter brained. I am, but but you're also going to last school and you have a dad who has dementia or Alzheimer's and so like you have a lot going on in your I have a lot going on in my life. Like actually getting raped alone in New York was the last thing that I would have ever needed ever, Like I didn't need any more stress anymore anything. So I you know, my support system was big. My boyfriend ex boyfriend was a huge part of it. UM, And then I get back to school. He had flown out to Nashville the day that I got back from Connecticut so that I, um didn't have to be alone because I was with the kids, and the kids made me feel a lot better, and I was with Jano, so I was fine, Like everything was fine for the most part. Well, I had asked you too, and when that happened, I was like, look, I mean at two in the morning, when I was like, all right, I gotta get to work at six, like I obviously wanted to be there for you, but at the same time, I'm like, I have to work too. So I called my ex. I was calling, you know, I called. I was like, I'm like, I don't know what to do, like because it's like trying to be there for for you, to support you, but also knowing I have to show up to work with you know, both my kids and I ended up confiding in one of the producers and you know, she's like, just bring them and we will figure it out. Um. And then when you when I got back that day, I asked you. I was like, what do you need because I will get you on a flight today, Like do you do you want to stay? Like I can have someone just I can fly someone else into help, Like I don't even worry about me, don't worry about the kids, don't I was like, I like, I was just so focused on like what does g G need? And you had said that You're like, I'm not ready to face it. I'd like to stay for a few more days. And I really battled with like, I like, is that really what she like? But I'm like, I have to listen to what you know. I'm like, I don't know if you would have done anything different than that moment, Like I can't be like, no, you're going home, because it's like, how am I to say what you need? Right? But also it was like and but the last I think it was like three days longer, were super fun. I still felt normal. I didn't really have you know, what can we can we bring Susan and she's a trauma specialist therapist. I'd love to bring her in um in continuous conversation. But first of all, Giugi, I, I'm just so proud of you. Thank you. I'm really proud of you for sharing your story because that takes a lot of that's very brave of you to share it. This I was really I was actually I didn't know about today, Like I was kind of nervous coming into it, but actually it kind of feels like a way it's ben lifted off my shoulders and you're gonna help a lot of people, I hope. So all right, let's bring Susan and hey, Susan, Hi, how are you okay? Welcome to wind down? Um? Janna, Catherine, Gigi Hi. Nice. So we just well just shared with us very bravely her story that happened in New York. Um, and you know, we're just kind of talking about it now. And I think one of the we wanted to bring you in obviously because you're a trauma specialist. You're you know this this world and all the emotions that go with it. And I think one of the things that when when everything happened in New York, um that feeling of like should the person go straight to like like is it okay to like not face it in that moment or is that and then face it later on? You know that? Or to like because she ended up staying a few more days in Connecticut where I was filming, but like, in hindsight, like what is it like? Is that is that normal? To do that or is it something where it's like when people are in that situation, like they just have to go at their own pace. It's such an important question, and I think that so many people don't report for years and years and years simply because they feel like they're going to be blamed for it or they did something wrong and the stigma associated with that. And so everyone's journey is going to be their own journey and their own process. If you're talking about a technical issue from a reporting perspective, from a criminal the in criminal importance is usually it's important to go to any er immediately in order to have a rape test done in order to have any evidence, and that would be if you don't take a shower um and go straight to the R E. R. And there's there's advocates there that can really help you through that process and really talk you through kind of what that looks like. So if someone is actually experienced a crime, that is really the most important thing to do in order to gather evidence. However, everyone is going to go through it differently, and no two persons experiences the same and it doesn't mean years later that you can't decide to change your mind and make reporting or ten days or three days or whatever it may be. Because this crime happened to you. You were violated, and we all process trauma differently, and no two people who are going to do with the same I think one of the things, and then Gig, I'll let you ask Susan some questions. But I think what I was I was trying to like get help for Gigi in that moment in Connecticut, and I wanted her to connect to some people. But the one person that I know had she's like, well, I didn't remember it, and she's like and thank god. So everyone's like, well, thank god she doesn't remember it. I'm like, but that's even more of a violation, like not remembering what happened. So I'm like, Gi, like that must like hurt you too. When people are like, well, I'm so glad you didn't remember it, it's like, well that that to me, it sounds just as traumatic to feel so violent that you don't even know what happened to your body or what you know. It was nice saving grace, um. I like, had I not then drugged in the weirdest way, I feel like it would have been that much more traumatic for me. It's still a traumatic event. I wonder what did happen to me? A lot. It's not every day anymore, but it's a lot. But like I said, like nothing felt real, nothing felt like anything had happened to me. Yeah, Like I went to the hospital immediately, I got the rape kit done, but I didn't. I honestly didn't process it until, um, I found out that my boyfriend at the time had been with this girl all summer and that night, right before I had faced time to him from the er, he had been with her. That's when literally everything this was a couple of weeks ago, that's when literally everything hit me like a bus. Like I was having panic attacks every four hours. I could not sleep, I wasn't I was in a terrible, terrible spot solely because mhm, my security blanket of the whole situation, like it was kind of a trauma bomb, like that got taken away from me, and then I was kind of left by myself. I don't know, and i've I've never um called it a crime. What language did you use that that you feels right for you? Um, just that I was raped. Mhmm. Yeah. Thank you so much for sharing your story and your bravery to share in this public way too, because oftentimes people are silenced and for you to step forward really gives other people the courage that they can talk about their own stories too. And one in six women in the United States have experienced the same thing that you've gone through too as well. And I think it's your language, your story, the way that you want to tell it, what kind of what parts of it you want to share, what parts you don't. This is all about you taking back your power. Now what does she do with that? Like, because when like the feeling of that that bond with her ex and now being feeling now the PTSD of the rape is now even now she's like feeling all of that. So it's like, how does she deal with that? Because I would say I would say that that part of it um lasted about two weeks, but like the biggest thing was that, like he chose to be with someone else over the summer, the entire summer. We had been dating for five months. I did not have a choice, and I don't know, it killed me. I don't know, I didn't have a choice and he did and he still did that. And that's honestly probably the only reason that I'm not still with him, but I don't I don't know. I think often times when people friends or even family are trying to support someone who's been through a rape or sexual assault or a crime, and that they don't know what to do. They don't know what to say, they don't know how to act, they don't know how to be. Sort of and consciously or unconsciously, they sort of avoid because they don't know how to say. What's going to help you get through your PTSD or the trauma or all the other mental health symptoms that you sort of mentioned, the hyper vigilance, that not being able to sleep. I don't know if you're starting to get memories back or flashbacks or anything like that, but that is also really compounds the trauma as well, because you feel so alone in that process and feel like, how do I trust or can I keep myself safe? Or am I safe? Those questions keep coming up, and it sounds like that was a little bit of your experience that your ex boyfriend was that support for you, that you felt safe with him and you felt like you could share what was going on, and then to have that taken away is really really challenging, and I would really suggest for you to get into there's so many amazing free services if you're in law, so angels, every crisis center in Santa Monica is incredible, or other places around the United States that have all different types of groups or individual therapy. And I've been I've been in therapy for five years, so the therapy aspect of it was totally covered. Like I'm I'm really good at being emotionally mindful, I would say, just from previous traumas, unfortunately, but now I'm I'm definitely in a step towards the right direction. I feel better. I'm not weighted down by my security blanket that could have been a weighted blanket in a lot of ways. Um, you know most of my friends know about it. Um my mom has held me through all of it. Sisters, every like everyone's helped me like build my foundation of like emotional security through myself. Like I have emotional security through myself now and I have that foundation back. So let's definitely step in the right direction. And I feel a lot better. And um, it's not as hard to talk about. It's still hard, but I can do it. And you're bravely doing it now too. And I think the important thing that oftentimes I just want to remind you that often when people have been raped or they've experienced an assault, that they feel like they're never going to be themselves again and everything has been taken away from them. But the amazing thing about our bodies and our brain is that we have this tremendous ability to rewire our brain after trauma and to heal, and you will have a beautiful relationship in the future. You will have a beautiful life and in your future. And as you said, you've been through some things before that have been challenging that you know you're going to get to the other side of this and start feeling the way that you want to. It's going to take work in commitment, and it sounds like you have a tremendous support community that's really helping you through it day by day, because it's going to change. One day you could feel amazing and the next day you may get triggered and something kind of derails you a little bit. But just keep staying mindful in your recovery and really allowing your body and your brain to start to heal and getting back into to feel whole again. That way she was really important, and I think that's good for everyone because anyone who has, you know, some kind of traumatic experience that's happened to him or just um, like, what do you do in those moments when that trigger does come up, because that's you know, you don't want it to take over, but at the same time, you you have to like let it go through your body and feel it. Right, you know, emotions are just predictions for action to take. And so when we've had something happened to us that's been traumatic, we get triggered with a scent or smell or a you know, a vision of something. We all gets imprinted through our our senses. So when we get triggered, all of a sudden, it takes us back to that moment and then we start to relive it again in that moment as it's as if it's happening now and our body and that's what becomes so terrifying is because we get disregulated and all of a sudden, it's like, oh my gosh, this is happening right now. How do I make this stop? This is overwhelming, But our mind knows it's not happening. So it's sort of this sort of trick that happens within our body and our brain. But the important thing to do is to really use skills to calm down your nervous system and those emotions in that moment, because we can get sort of carried away with that and allow ourselves to get more and more disregulated to the point that it really starts to create all kinds of dysfunction in our lives. So I know it sounds really simple, but really the power of the breath and I really feel like it's super important to actually breathe through our hearts because that's a tremendously grounding practice of actually just inhaling through our nose and then exhaling out as if it's coming out of your heart. And really, what the important thing is to do is always have this shorter inhale than the exhale, because the exhale actually allows your blood flow to your heart to decrease, which actually decreases your anxiety and stress. And that's a way for us to trick what's called the amygdala in our brain, which is sort of the alarm system when something has gone wrong and what we feel in danger um but other things too, of being out in nature, calling a friend, uh, going for a walk. Actually, that bilateral stimulation of actually walking is tremendously calming on our nervous system. Anything that can sort of bring joy, because when we have a negative emotion and experience, we can trick our brains and our bodies by actually pulling to something that's really positive like pet petting a puppy, or calling your best friend or getting out in sunshine, and that can decrease all those feelings and emotions of stress in our bodies in the now and make us feel a lot more calm. Gig, is there an area where you feel, not unless it's stuck, but that where it's still um like it's whether it's a question or a fear or a doubt that you're still um And it could be about your ex too, that you feel kind of like heavy in um it's all heavy, But is there something where it's still like it's it's still bit like, it's it's harder than others. Honestly, it was a three week breakup for me and finally when I got the closure and we ended on good terms, um Like, finally when I got the closure and he got the closure, And now it's been a few weeks since we've talked. I feel so much better because I'm moving on, and I feel like moving on independently is a lot more strong willed per se and I could actually feel the emotions from the trauma and work through them. And so now I'm in a really good place. Um, and I'm really invested in school. And you know, why did you want to share your story? Because I I don't know, because it just I mean, hopefully I can help another person, but it's like I'm not broken anymore. You can. I mean, part of me probablyly won't ever be fully pieced back together, but I'm certainly not broken. I'm capable of doing anything. And you don't have to like look down on trauma as this almost disability. And if I can't get out of bed one day, respect it, because we're all going through our own things and you could be going through the worst thing in your life and I could be going through the worst thing in mind and they're not comparable at all, and my reaction may be way different than nerrors. So seriously, don't look down on someone just because they're going through stuff. Like I'm still gonna do everything that I was going to do before this, before the breakup before everything, like, honestly, I loved my boyfriend so much and I still do love him, but not in the same way. And I'm ready to move on. I'm ready to start new relationships. And I don't know, it's just like there's so much to unpack, but you know I've already. I don't know. You've said so many beautiful things and that statement, and the one thing that I really want to remind you is, yes, the pieces are never going to go back the same as they were before. They're going to be different. But in this moment, you sharing your truth and you stepping out and normalizing trauma because it happens to every single one of us, and after this pandemic, it has to happen to every single one of us. That you're really being an advocate for other people to say that I'm not broken, I'm not defective, I'm not anything. I'm just me and I'm going through my process and this is going to allow you to get to the other side of something so much more beautiful and stronger. And I really commend you for stepping forward and using this platform to share your narrative in a story that so many women and men can relate to and it really hopefully it's going to make you feel stronger because of that. And you're right, every day is going to be different. And just honor that in your own process and know what's going to make you feel a little bit better and stronger and use those tools and skills and not allow the trauma to just keep happening to you, but for you to feel more agency and control. I do want to ask you a question to how do you how does someone not let that define them any through anything that's happened, whether it's divorce or abuse or any situation that can be Um that would that one would feel um yeah they yeah, please. I Like everyone goes through their own adversities, okay, and we all come together in group therapy like you talk about it. I've never been a group therapy, but like you talk in a collective group and you see how similar everyone's experiences are and how they can help help you through what you're going through. And that's part of the reason I wanted to come on today and share. And like, my situation was one situation, You're like, other people's situations might be that much worse or that much more controlling of their thoughts, their actions, there everything, But it doesn't matter. If we can relate in some sort of way, we could help each other, like we build off of each other, and I would not Nothing defines me. The d s M five is literally, for those of you that don't know, it's the diagnostic book for um psychological disorders, although um most of them aren't disorders. They're all UM induced as some sort of trauma UM. The ds IN five is essentially a way for pharmaceutical companies to put their brand into a category. Well, I'm so sick of being in a category, like nothing can define me, Like I'm just Gig that's my real name on my birth or to Bigot, that's just who I am and labels. I don't care what you have, anxiety, depression, bipolar, PTSD, UM, insomnia, whatever you have, I don't care. Like that doesn't define you, That doesn't change you. And if you have PTSD from an incident, that doesn't define you either. Why would you let your PTSD take control of you when you can navigate through these motions and work through your experiences using other people's experiences to walk out on the end just knowing you're the name on your birth certificate and that you don't have to fit any mold or category or diagnosis right absolutely, And I think you get to live a joyful life no matter what's happened in your past. It's that's something that's so important. But I think often times that people are afraid of letting go of their trauma or the definition of things because they're unsure of what is going to happen on the other side of that. So if I identify or over identify as someone that's gone through something particular, like you mentioned divorce or a breakup, and then letting go of that and healing and processing the trauma and the experience of that, there's fear. And fear is what oftentimes keeps us in the labels or keeps us stuck and sort of telling that same narrative over and over again, because we're wired for story and stories are a beginning, middle, and ment and off, and times we get stuck in that in between. Yeah. And actually I saw something um because I follow this person on Instagram, the Narcissist Survivor, and they said oversharing is a trauma response, And for some reason it just hit me so hard because I'm like, man, I'm like, yes, I've definitely overshared with my um life and um, you know the abuse that I've had, and but I'm also I don't know, it's just that just like hit me because I was like wow, I'm like, I never looked at it as a trauma response. Well, I think that you have to look. There's there's a spectrum of everything, and I don't want you to read something and then assume that you're the one that's contributing to that. I think that what happens is is when people can't read the experience of someone else. So if you and I are having a conversation and you're telling me every single detail of something that happened, that's really horrific, and your nervous system is affecting my nervous system and I'm getting really flooded by your narrative of and you're not aware of it, and you're just keep going on and on because you're not regulated in your own system. Right, that would be worthy. Over sharing would really sort of affect another human and dis regulate them. Like if you've ever been with someone you felt exhausted after being with them because they talk so much, or they whatever, whatever, happened. So I think be mindful of keep sharing your story and connecting with people on a real human way and being authentic because that's you and and people really have to be vulnerable to connect and feel the depths of love and connection with one another. That's what makes this human. So there's a very big difference between traumatizing someone and oversharing that way and and really just connecting. Well, Susan, I can't thank you enough for coming on the show. Where can our listeners find you on Instagram? On that Susan zen Z I n ND Therapy, and also my website is Susan zin Therapy And actually have a book out this week. I's called The Empiphanies Projects and it just hit five best selling categories and they're all about moments of people overcoming adversity and trauma. And so definitely make sure to check that out because there's a lot of healing stories in that then hopefully will be helpful for you to I love that well. Thank you so much, Susan, appreciate you coming on line down, Thank you, thank you for everything you're doing. How you feeling bad? I just like I just want to make it abundantly clear that like I am okay, I'm not I'm not still stuck in my last relationship. And I hope, I hope that this is not in the wrong message out to anyone. It could be pursuing me or um. But like, I'm really okay, and it's okay if you weren't okay, and it's okay that you I wasn't for a minute. I feel like you're a little hesitant to say you're okay because I feel like people will hear this and then they're gonna be like, oh my god, like she's got some stuff going on, Like like you feel like you shouldn't be okay, right but I am. In this moment you are and that's amazing. And tomorrow you might not and tomorrow you might eat. You might never like you know, and it's like you you're going to go through days. But that's amazing that you're okay right now, that's amazing and that should be celebrated. And you're doing your work that you've got your head screwed on. You know you're not going to go back to you now you know the flags of a cheater and when you're not going to go back there, No, I'm really excited for a healthy relationship, good and someone that actually respects me and my body as much as I'm learning to respect it. I have a new like, I have a totally new outlook on dating. That was my first boyfriend and your nineteen I told her. I was like, let me just write don't I'm gonna be I'm gonna be your big sister and be like, just don't do any of these things and then you won't end up like me, Like you know, well, I divorce something. I called you. I called you literally five minutes after I found out. I was like, Janna, we were right, Like we had suspicions over the listen to your gut, but look, a nineteen year old gut and the thirty seven year old gut is the same gut as a fifteen year old and a moment not maybe who knows in an eight year old Our girl, listen your gut. You know we're all the same women's intuition exactly, so superpower and I'm so proud of you, and I love you. Thank you, I love you too, And I'm gonna we're gonna have you back on sometime in the next few months, and we're gonna have a really fun like catch up bungig, what's going on in the dating world of the nineteen year old? Because we love spicy g She's fun. Maybe we'll have some updates by then. Have my um grubbed this weekend, and then I'm going to see me. That means, is that like a story because you know me and story stuff. I don't know what. I just want to be your big sis. That's about it. Well, guess what I'll be back in Nashville, Uh next week. Perfect, We'll see you then. I love you, but thanks for coming on wind then I love you too, Thank you so much. Okay bye. I love her. She's like the smartest nineteen year old time. I know, she's literally she's literally Elwoods like, she's she's gonna go to Harvard like law like, and she's and she is the smartest I mean she is. Her IQ is insane. Oh yeah, that's surprised me. Like she's so smart and she's beautiful, she's modeled like, I mean, she's literally Elwoods. But I think what was what was so sad to like witness was I mean, she and anyone that followed me during the Connecticut she was just her light and how fun she is. And I remember the next day just being like her light was taken away and it like that like broke me to see and it was you know, Ryan obviously knew, and the one producer and we kind of we a little power out and it was just like so sad because we were like we loo like we lost the spark of Gigi and it's like seeing that come back now has been a beautiful thing. And I'm really proud of her for sharing her story and um, yeah you're you're not alone. So um, I hope y'all have a good week and hope this out saying Luke

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