Are you as obsessed with “The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” as Jana is?? She’s hanging out with fan favorite Mayci Neeley and getting all the behind the scenes tea!
We discuss the Fruity Pebbles, the cheating rumors, and how Mayci REALLY felt after Whitney was absent from her launch party. We go DEEP into the Mormon Wives lore and get all the answers.
Plus, are we too hard on reality TV “villains”??
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Hannah talk to us. Mom moment go, well, this is.
Gonna sound terrible. People might come for me on this, but I just had a mom moment that my baby is four and a half months old.
First of all, welcome back because you took a obviously, you know, leave because you just had a baby, So welcome back.
Thank you to the producing team.
I'm happy to be back, but I'm still figuring out working and being a mom at the same time right now. And I just had an emotional moment because I left my baby in the other room and it's cold in my house, and so she was wrapped in a blanket to go set up her camera and the nursery, and I heard her kind of struggling, and I came back and she had the blanket over her face, and so I just it was a very scary moment for me. She's totally fine, but I don't think it happened. Was very long, but I just kind of had like a a mom breakdown of just feeling like I'm being a little reckless or I don't know, it's just mom guilt for sure. So anyways, I was like coming in, I was like, my eyes are so splotchyl Oh.
Yeah, they look like red eyes.
But things happened, they really do.
I mean, first of all, I mean it's not like you were you went out and was running errands with your babies, you know, and so you're not putting your baby to bed with a blanket. You know, you just had to go do something for a few seconds. And that, I mean, that happens, you know, and at four months, you know, like that's a new thing. So now you know that she's moving out of her the swaddles like the second that. I mean that happened with Jace. The swaddle went over his face one time and I've freaked out. But it's like you once you realize they can start moving, and then that's when you adjust things, like we didn't. Roman was halfway up the stairs last week and I was like, oh my god, like because I'm like, okay, now he's crawling on steps and I'm like if he would have fell down, I would have had that again, that guilt, like I should have gotten already the baby gates. But you don't know until you you don't know what milestones they're going to be starting and doing Yes.
My husband and I were just having that conversation too with our toddler on the things that we'll just like walk out of the room for twenty seconds and like he somehow has found scissors or no sort of thing. And so it's all new parenting moments that we're learning. But it's like scary and you can't help but feel like you are just like being a bad parent in that moment for sure.
I know, I mean like shot for a moment of fell down the stairs to her. I remember going, nobody moved.
I don't like we're trying to say any same day, right.
You know, but I mean it's just again just to go back to, you know, your situation. It's like you're not a bad mom, You're a great mom.
And all had moments like that.
I promise hormones too with the yes, the crying, it just yeah yeah, no, no, not about it.
But she's also had a sleep aggressions. So I got about three sleep last night.
That's that's it.
Stamp up all night. So yeah, I'm just juggling a lot.
At the moment, you'll get into your rhythm.
I feel like when I hit six months with Roman is when I started to feel a little bit in the rhythm of juggling work and then being home because it's you know, again, we don't have like that full time support, so it's it can be trying to figure it out and juggle. It is tough, but you'll get into a rhythm for sure. But speaking of Hannah, the reason why we started and just jumped into this was because she was like, hey, girls, we've got Macy coming on from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. So this past weekend she's like, all right, and she already knows Kat like loves those type of shows, so she's like, girls, watch the show. And so we just started talking about it, and that's why I was like, Hannah.
Can you come on?
And she's like, oh, my eyes are all red, so that's why she's on to also, you know, talk about this show.
But we love you.
You're a great mom. Now are we ready to get into the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?
Yes?
Yes? Oh my god, I.
Just have to ask.
I don't even I don't know because I feel like there's so much I want to say off air.
This is the host chat we can say it with, right.
But I know I just always get a little gunshy of what can be put out there.
Ask you guys, there we go, what are your.
Thoughts on Whitney Hannah.
Oh, I don't think she's necessarily the villain. I think she was doing a lot for atension. I think she's also trying to hide her personal life from things that necessarily aren't approved in the Mormon Church. Honestly, I'm gonna be real with you. The RSV video, the TikTok dancing, I cannot like, I don't think anybody deserves hate on the line, but like I do understand people being upset about that. Like I guess she was trying to make light of the situation, but at the same time, like I as a mom, if my child was going through that, I just like I could not I would not do that. I could not be in that headspace to be like, let me try and do a fun little dance so I get meeting a moment of levity. But to post something like that, I also think it's a little insensitive because the Nikki is a very sensitive place for a lot of parents.
I have other things about Whitney. I actually would love to get her on because I will always want to talk to someone that I might at times rub up against just to get to know them too. On the other flip side of things.
But when it comes to Whitney and like my thoughts on her, I just think she's insecure. I think her insecurities show in so many different ways that she's not able to She wants it to be about her, but I think it all goes back to her feeling insecure around these women. I think that she probably doesn't feel great about herself about all of the things, and I think that that is the bottom line for her. So I don't fully I know a lot of people don't like her, and I don'm not fully on board for that because I just feel like she's just like an insecure trying to figure out but she's acting out in bad ways because of that, she's turning everything around on her. Everything has to become about her. But that to me just screams that she's insecure.
Yeah, I think. I don't know.
This is a super random thing, but I was watching the Kardashians. I'm way behind, but I was Kylie was talking about how hate still isn't She's like, it's just it's hard, and I didn't think it gets to me, but it really does. And I think whether you like Whitney or not like Whitney or just like the girl Nicki Nicki Nicole from Selling Sunset, it's like, I just I think it's sad where social media is and people are being so mean on the comment section, Like that part makes me sad for anybody that is painted as a villain or a victim on a show, because it's so easy to just for anybody to go on and just like type a negative thing about her. I think obvious, So we can all have our opinions and stuff, but I think going and the hate train of social media is it's sad and I've I feared maybe she's getting a lot of hate because of how her storyline kind of made her out to be that I think what I saw in there was the fruity pebble gift that she gave Demi. I think I don't like how she turned it back on herself, Like I feel like she was only upset because it didn't it wasn't funny to Demi, And I'm like, well, of course it wasn't funny to Demi, Like that was a personal thing that she shared and if it was funny, like it would have gone over great, but it didn't, and then you became the victim. That was the only piece that That's where I kind of started to go, oh, I.
Don't know, I'm not loving this.
Yeah, And she had a chance to own that and be like and she did, Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry because it could have gone I mean, I could see where that could have.
Been embarrassed that it doesn't work, like you might have a minute, but then reflect and go, Okay, you're right.
That's where I think she's just got a lot of insecurities and she takes it in this like you know, some people be like, oh my god, I'm so sorry and like, but she just like made it all about her and it was a constant. I do think she wants to be Queen Bee for sure. I mean I think she wants to rule the roost and she's out if she can't rule it.
But I don't know, I agree.
I do.
Also, I don't like in a situation when it's almost everybody against one person. So yeah, I really actually appreciated that about Macy absolutely, and like the kind of friend she was, Like she was the one who didn't seem to talk bad about her and like her issues with her. She kind of took to Whitney rather than fully engaging with the you know, the women kind of talking really badly about her and that sort of thing. So I do I did feel bad for her in the moment, even though I did understand the other women's side. I was like, I just don't like a moment. Yeah, I never did either on one person.
I'm curious about Whitney saying that she did say she wasn't going to the launch party for I.
Think she just shaved some receipts slightly.
Actually is she posted a TikTok the other day showing her text between like that she had texted Macy saying that she didn't feel comfortable with the girls, she wasn't in a good place mentally for that, and so that she was sorry, but she wasn't going to come.
See that was See that makes me take off my little you know tick for our box for Whitney, because I one of my notes with Macy for today it was I was like, she could have at least texted you and said, hey, I'm sorry, this is why I'm not coming. Like we've had a thing where we were invited to a birthday party. We knew someone that Catherine and I have had a history and some rough past with that. We both were like, you know what, we love you, but we don't want to subject ourselves to that party, so we're not going to go.
That's all.
I was hoping that Whitney would have at least done because on the show it made her seem like she didn't text it all and that was like, up, final Star, I'm done with Whitney.
Yeah.
I think that's why I had seen that, and that's why to me, I do think there is a part of her that is truly trying to you set some boundaries, and I think that's healthy for her. And I think that that showed in that situation where if she really wanted to make it all about her, she would have shown up and she would have caused right.
But time out really fast. And one more thing I do want to say is when you leave a group, why are you wanting people to.
Then text you?
And so so, like I if you were like I mean, first of all, I would know why you would be leaving a group, but like I wouldn't leave a group and then someone have then want them to be like.
Are you okay?
You know, I just could that seems like you're just doing something to get a reaction.
Yeah, she was, absolutely, But at the same time, I don't know, Yes, you're trying to get attention from it, but also does it kind of help her set some boundaries?
I don't know, maybe, but she's doing it to get them to text her to say why did you leave?
Because she's like, nobody even texted me why I left?
Oh?
Yeah, unfollowed because you don't want them to text you because you don't want to be a parpa. Yet you're saying you want them to she want to. So that's the part where I'm like, which one is it? Do you want the attention and the sympathy and the or do you want to just have the boundary. That's where I'm working with you. Like I like her boundaries, but like her boundaries are saying two different things.
Oh, I think that there's definitely two different things. I think she's struggling with what she wants out of it. And I still think that unless she's going to be the queen Bee of the group like that she's going to try and stay out. But is she because is she going to stay out, like if there's another season, Like, is she really willing to just go away?
Probably not.
But then she says good luck to everyone if she's not in it, because it seems like she doesn't think that the group would work if she's not in it. So it's very interesting.
It is very interesting. But I agree with you on that point, like she Hunterston left the group wanting the attention from it. Yeah, but I also interested. I'd love for you guys, ask Macie when she's on about I don't think Hulu gave them screeners before. I think they all probably know what it actually aired. So I'm interested to see if the dynamic has changed, because right before the premiere, they were like posting tiktoks together with Whitney being a part of them.
And then the whole thing makes it seem like she didn't. I have always thought like, there's no way I could ever do a reality show with friends for that reason. Can you imagine sitting there watching it and not knowing and then just being like, wait, wait, wait, that's not what like, I just that gives me such anxiety. I can't even imagine. I can't imagine.
Okay, Well, Macy is here. I'm so I've never been so excited.
I know, I'm so excited. I have so many questions though.
All right, can we do a mom talk? I want to do like a TikTok with her on there with her.
Mom.
I'm out, o boo.
Okay, all right, well let's take a break and then get Macey on. I have a question before we bring Macy on, which girl are you I? And then which girl do you think I am?
Be nice?
I mean, I feel like I'm a mix of.
And who's your favorite?
I think I'm a mix of Macy, uh huh and a mix of Demi in the sense that in the sense that only because when the stuff is going on with Jen, she's like, this is not okay, this is She's just very vocal in those situations.
She doesn't just sit back in that sense.
Yep.
But otherwise I don't really think, yeah.
I'm sorry. I was thinking Jess, and I was like, I don't.
Know, yeah, yeah, definite, I love yeah, yeah, But otherwise I don't know that.
I'm really like.
I can definitely see you got Macy and you for sure yeah, and then yeah the Jess yeah, where you just like you'll take a stand.
Yeah, because I feel like I would say Macy, but there's some times where she's not as vocal as I would be in a situation like DEMI.
Was, who's your favorite?
That's hard.
I don't think.
I don't know that I have a favorite.
Yeah, because there's things that bother me and that I like about all of them, right, which is any human obviously mm hmm, but probably Macy Macy.
Yeah, she's in my top I see, like my but I don't know. But then there's people like Jen where she's a I have like a soft spot for Jen or I just I feel I almost feel bad for her, and it's a situation where I'm just I feel like her voice gets lost and.
I think she so badly wants to live by the Mormon rules. Yeah, I think that's very important to her. And I like that it's important to her and that she you know, really sticks up for that. Yeah, And I just thank god, I just felt so bad for her when she was just like, I don't want to talk about this, like, eh, it just.
It was hard.
Yep. I agree, Yeah, I like it, but I love I love dummy and Jess.
Okay, so who are you.
I feel I feel like I'm a little bit of demy and I don't know, and probably I mean the old me was like the tailor where it's you know, she's just like I don't feel like I deserve love. And I mean I was like crying when she was crying. It's because my heart almost broke for her too, because I'm like, oh wow, that's absently I said all the things she said, like I don't deserve this and it's gonna you know, the not trusting, which there was a lot of triggers that came up watching that whole Dakota situation, the violence piece of it, so it was just, yeah, it was very triggering. I almost feel like it's like a sex in the City where we all have got a little piece of that in Macy's here.
Let's get her on.
Hi.
Hi, how are you doing?
You're doing good? How are you guys doing?
But I'm Jana, this is Catherine you guys.
I was a big fan of One Tree Hill. Just had to put that out.
Yeah, but were you an Alex fan?
Though?
I think I was, like, there was no one that I didn't like in the show, like looking back, and I liked everyone and I feel like nothing faithed me. I just love that show back then, like I think I watched it. Gosh, was I am high school? No? No, I think I through college and I was like so late to the show, and I was like, this looks interesting and I think it's like about two brothers and like that whole situation. My son has a brother from another mother, so like I thought it was just interesting. So yeah, I just it was really good.
Oh, I love that.
Definitely late to the show because she's like ten years.
Yeah, that's how old are you.
I'm twenty nine.
Yeah, yeah, forties.
In college, Like I was like born summer break, and I was like, I've always heard this show is good, and so I was like I'm going to try it. Like I was definitely relate to it.
That's okay, I love it. I love that.
That's so sweet. Well, thank you for saying that. And I'm a fan of your show. We're a fan of your show, big.
Fans, big fan.
So I want to and I also to want to touch on I'm not touch on, but also talk about baby Mama too, because I'm excited like the fact that you're you know, you're hustling and I want to talk all things products, but can we talk about the show first? Because I feel like I'm just like old, right, so, like I feel old when I watch these shows, but it's it's also you gave me such entertainment and fun and just like binging the show, but it's also I'm like, I have to remember that these are your lives too, and you guys are going through some very real like this isn't a though I think they might skew and a reality is there at times. It can be a little scripted some pieces of it, but you know it's still your life and this is a personal thing where you know you're not playing characters, you're playing yourself. So yeah, I can imagine there's a lot of noise right now, there's a lot of people talking about it. So first and foremost, how are you dealing with dealing with all of that given the yeah, I mean the rise of the show too.
I feel like to me, it's shocking, Like I don't think I was anticipating and doing this well because I feel like when you're in it and you're like, oh, it's just like me and my friends, like it just like seems weird that like it's doing so well, I guess, But then when I look at from a different perspective, I was like, I think it's so untriguing, like the Mormon aspect right, people are like, oh, like I thought Mormons were polyitamous and they're not, even though we did have someone who was a swinner, so I guess it kind of anyways. But yeah, so I feel like it was just like it's been shocking, I'm doing fine. I also feel like I didn't there's other people to show whom we were having a hard time right now with criticism and feedback and the relationships and things like that, but overall, like nothing has affected me too much, Like I thought, it's some pretty positive Yeah.
Well yeah, because I feel like you did play the you played it. No, I don't want to say safe, but I mean you were like whenever our producers earlier were saying like you were pretty much like the moderator of the season. You know, you're the narrator I mean of the season. And that is so true because even though like you were the only girl that didn't gang up fully on Whitney and so you I feel like it was very like Krishelle moment with the selling sense at where she just played you know friendly for all.
You know, most people probably like you, I mean because you were you handled everything with grace and very well and were kind to everyone.
So yeah, that's I'm getting that. I'm also getting like why are you like you're get to grow backbone for like Whitney and all these different things, and I'm like, well, there was things that were cut. Like I wasn't like completely like whatever you do, I will support. It was not like that. I very much would be like, hey, listen, like you need to figure whatever this is like going on. Like I was very like open with her too, and they don't show that. Like I definitely call her out for certain things. I'd be like, hey, you're being a little impulsive about this, but that was cut, you know. So I'm getting crap from like, oh, you're just blindly loyal and like no, that's not true. But like also yeah, like I do want to be friends with everyone.
So I got a.
Little feedback on that and a little feedback that I was like playing both sides or something, which I was like, I wish that's what I was doing, Like I was I was smart enough to think of that tactic but like I was trying to like live my life and like not want to die by the end of filming, so like I just trying to survive.
To be honest, I just want to start from the beginning, because we had a few questions about.
Yeah, because I was not aware of the whole mom Talk downfall of that stuff before the show. So take us back a minute, because you were not involved before the scandal.
Correct, No, so I was in mom Talk, but I wasn't in the scandal, Like.
Gotcha, But are you kind of being attached to it though? Because of yeah, yeah, for sure.
I think people even now be like, oh, they're just trying to cover like they were swinging. I was like, I wasn't. Like you can think what you want, but like we didn't know what was going on really behind the scenes. I had an inkling of feeling that they were swingers, but like just for like things I was seeing, but like no one truly knew until like the scandal came out and was all over online and it did attach to us a little bit, like people will think I had a lot of people think I was a swinger, right, But at the end of the day, I was like I don't really care because I'm not like you can think what you want. But like, at the end of the day, I know what I am, so it didn't affect me too much.
I do have a question around that because it wasn't clear to me. Maybe I missed it while I was folding laundry and dealing with the baby while finishing the show. But did why did Taylor out like out the the mom Talk and the swinging. I don't I don't understand that piece.
So she did it because like there was rumors online that she just like stepped out of marriage and was unfaithful, and so she's like, just not what happened that there was a couple of girls in the mom Talk group who were like, I guess confirming that because they liked someone's comment of like Taylor Taylor cheated, and then like people and the mom Talk like liked it, and so then it was like, oh that every it's true if someone liked it in the group, And so then Taylor's like, actually, it's not what happened, Like this is what was going on because she just kind of want to sit the record street because she was kind of looking like kind of like a villain like I think she still did a little bit after, but like because it made it look like she just stepped down a marriage's unfaithful and like, but no one only knows was really going on. So I think that's why she did it.
And so are any of those girls in the show?
Not?
Once? Yeah?
Not?
None of the swingers besides Taylor are in the show.
Okay, that's what I thought. I just that was a little unclear. I feel like too, So I just wanted to come from that.
That's interesting. Did you know them though? The other girls?
Yes, yes, we all made videos together and did it all.
So did they were they kind of when they heard about the show where they was that the thing where they said they reached out. I saw something where it was like I don't know if it was Taylor or I don't know, but it was said, oh, someone reached out to do a show with them too or something.
So oh there was something so like before the scandal. I guess they it was Miranda Canill and Taylor got reached out by like a production company, but it was just like an intro call. It was never an offer. And there's a guy he was like, oh, look like they were offered a show, but I'm like they weren't though it was an intro call. I've done intri calls for shows before this one too, Like it's just kind of the beginning, but like they could have been in the show if they wanted to be, but I don't think they wanted to because of Taylor to know, like one of the girls is like I don't want to do I think my mental health. So there's a few reasons that makes sense.
Did you think the fruity pebble gift was funny?
Yeah, and I will say that the way that was edited looks different than what happened a little bit, but I don't know how much I can really say because of my contracts and stuff. But like I got called a mean girl for that. I was like, this is like still taking out of context, not any funny, but yeah, that whole is there interesting?
Okay.
I felt like possibly that it didn't All of that did not really add up to me. It was very I don't know, but that makes sense.
So if you were to obviously you're in the mom talk text message, if you unfollowed that group, would you expect girls to reach out to you to say why did you unfollow.
No, that's just not my personality at all. So I mean, obviously that someone else's personality and they wanted someone to chase after them, but that's not something I would ever do.
See.
I think that's fair. I think everybody's so different with that. I think that it can be a boundary thing for some and it can be an attention thing for others.
But I too, if I were to leave because I needed the boundaries, I would leave and just be like done with it and not like I mean like, why aren't people chasing out for me? Like that's just my opinion, that's what it was. Truly poor but.
Right, Yeah, yeah, where do you girls who you guys didn't get screeners?
Did you or did you guys watch the show when we watched it?
You watched it when you watched it?
Okay, So like we were.
Just talking about that, like we're best friends and we're like if we did a show, and then I'm like, I'm like, that's not what I said, are you guys?
Like how is your friendship post?
Yes?
I feel like most of us are good, Like obviously there's one girl in our cast who's kind of not too good, and I feel bad because like she is getting a lot of keyt online. But I think for the most part, like all of us are fine like with each other and everyone's good, and I think we realized, hey, like this is a reality ShW at the end of the day, Like sometimes things that we take out of contact sometimes you know, you say things in the heat of the moment that you don't mean like, and I think we're all pretty solid on that. That's like the most part, Like no one like talked bad behind each other's backs. Besides, like the friendship's.
Name with Whinny, So yeah, I want to say, I I feel like you're alluding to Whitney being the person getting the heat. Yeah, where do you guys stand out? Because you were such a you were you did befriend her when all the other girls did. So, how how is y'all's friendship now?
I would fay, like we're cordial. I don't think we're even a fraction as close as you were when we started the show because of everything that's transpired at the end and her not supporting me is just kind of like, I don't know, I'm not giving it a one side of friendship, but like we're so friendly and so we had, we did some press together, and then the show came out, and obviously it's been really hard for her, and I totally understand. I understand where she's coming from with all that, but certain things that she did publicly, like posting our text online, I.
Was like, yeah, so can we ask about that, because I mean I definitely started to have certain thoughts about Whitney. And and then when she didn't show up to your event, I'm like, listen, Macy's been there for you this entire time, and I'm like, you could have at least texted her and at least said hey, I'm not coming to the show or to your you know, to your launch. And I was like, that's it. I'm done, you know, done with wit And then but then the receipts came out that I just we just found out about.
So did she text you?
Like?
What was the when you said like she didn't you know? Was it more like, well, how did that edit together?
Yeah? Yeah, I'll give you the context behind it, because in my interviews, I was saying she didn't text me like the day of the event to like say anything, and she did text me like as you can see from that text message before like four days before, and when she texted me, I like had I was filming, so like I saw the text and I was like pissed because we were filming, like brother, It's like, oh, should follow, and I was like blah blah blah. And then I see a text of her p I was like, hey, why don't follow everyone that's like texting her on camera, Like I didn't really want anyone to know what's going on because there are a lot of things that I kept off camera obviously for like respect for her. And and then she like was being kind of rude back to me. I was like okay, and then it was like, hey, I'm not gonna come to your vent kind of thing. And I was like, this is so epped up, like and I saw that. But here's the thing is Whitney she's very impulsive. I'm not doing this, how I am doing this? Like she changes her mind very often. That's kind of how she's always been. So I read that text and I was like, not one of my filmings. I don't want to respond and I don't want to tell the girls what you just said because I kned they would be pissed. I really didn't want to have to air it out on camera. So I felt that was respectful of me to do. And then number two, I was like, I feel like she probably will change her mind. And then number three, I also feel like she I think she wanted me to like not beg her to come to be like no, Whitney, like please, I really want you there, and I'm like, I'm not going to do that, Like I've already had her back the whole time. I've been such a good friend, and like, the one thing you can do for me is to sup pour me at my event. Even if you walked from the door said hi and left, that would be fine. But like, so that's why I was like, I'm just going to see what she does and see if she comes, because that will show me her true colors. And I don't want to text her back to like, you know, try to make her feel guilty or anything like she should want to come on her own.
Yeah, that would have hurt my feelings absolutely.
Yeah, And I think that makes sense, Like you still thought that she would probably show up because she is obviously very impulsive, and it sounds like she was saying that's going to a rise out of you, like you said, and I feel.
Like it was. I honestly feel like it was really rude, because like she knew how hard I've been working in this business, like it's been the works for two years before the show was even a thing, before the scandal, Like it's been a long time coming, and she knew how important it supposed to be, how hard I've worked get to get it launched on the show too, and like we had so much enough filming and like things like that. So I feel like it was like ROOTIU to do that, even feel like my mental health like going into the event, like now I have to worry about Whitney when I should only have to worry about like my business and like the success of my launch. So now I have all these things going on and like how do I How are the girls going to find out about it too, and like it's gonna be a whole drama thing. I don't want drama right now, Like I just want to focus on launching the business. And so it really contributed to like you know, really like mentally getting to me as well. So I feel like that was kind of messed up.
I don't want to change the subject, but I don't want to necessarily not talk about this because me and Janna really disagree on this, but I have.
To ask, Oh, okaygree we do. Okay, so it's not that big.
But okay, So as Mormons, you don't drink alcohol, you're not supposed to drink alcohol. Correct, So y'all are big into sodaes? Yes, okay, but this has been all the producers and all of us have been texting all day about this because I love me some diet coke and they just really like to harp on me about it. But how can y'all have sodas with caffeine if you can't have coffee?
I mean, I wish I made an answer to this, because I really don't like we're always just been told like no alcohol, drugs, coffee, tea does like are always in the things and there's no like in our scripture it says like to not have hot drinks. But no one really knows how to interpret that. Is it temperature? Is it like oh, alcohol's hawk? Is it burns when it goes down? Like? What is it like? And to be honest, I've never heard a solid answer on it. So, and here's the thing too, is back then when this like was a thing like freaky, Like I don't one hundreds of years ago when they was like hey, like don't do this. They didn't have so back then. So I feel like as time has progress, it's like I feel like there isn't a rule on it because like soda wasn't a thing back then, like they didn't have something they had like coffee and tea and the water. Right, so I think, like I personally feel like hopefully over time that will change because I feel like it's an interesting role considering that like coffee is like a bean, you know, I drink coffee like, but I don't think it's a big deal, whereas like soda synthetic, right, like why are we we want chemicals? Who don't want this more? Next? So like it doesn't make sense, and like if caffeine isn't the problem, and like what is no one truly los gotcha?
So it's not about the caffeine. Okay, So that makes sense.
Well, and forgive my ignorance too, But when was this written? Like how long ago was all these rules written?
I wish I knew, but I think it was like eighteen.
Hundred, right, like a lot.
Yeah, I I didn't realize the benefits of the coffee back.
Out of interpretations of the Bible and different things like change over time. Okay, sorry, I just really needed to know that you, like, I.
Really wish I had as like.
Okay, back to the drama of the show.
Okay, a few more questions about the show, because something hit home for both of us because I was in Well, I've been in just a bunch of unhealthy relationships, but one being my last ex husband who had multiple affairs on me. And Catherine is you know, first hand witness and having to be in conversations, uncomfortable conversations, you know, with us when we're you know, they're fighting and she's trying to be like leave him, you know, and again I've got I have two kids with him, and so there were times when I thought of you in the situation with Macy that Macy was in, and I guess, I mean, I think my first question is, well, how have you seen him maybe change now that he's a dad?
Has it?
Have you seen it get better maybe? Or or do still kind of have that disdain for him?
Yeah?
I would say like we are on better terms than we were before. But I will say it's like, definitely he's improved. I definitely think they're working on things. They do a lot of therapy, but again I'm not seeing what's happening behind closed doors. I don't feel like Taylor's been as open with their relationship as she was in the past with me. And that's something that like I worried about when I would see about speak my mind because like from someone I have also been in an abusive relationship, but I know their relationship isn't like mine was, but like there are certain red flags that carry over, right that I recognize, and I wouldn't tell anyone when I was going through things, right, So like I was worried. I always have worried, like without all my friendships, you know, And I was happy that she would tailing about things that were going on. So of course we got to feel this way because you're literally tented to me about things that he was doing. And I really, I mean, it seems like things have gotten better, but again, like I wouldn't know because I feel like she hasn't been open with me in the last i don't know, seven eight months with their relation, Like we still talk with ways you don't talk about like their relationship, you know, so like it seems like it's.
Well because she knows what you're going to say, you know, like, yeah, that's not a great sign.
Yeah, because when you stop you because I always knew and it's not that I knew I could always go to Catherine and tell her things, and but I also knew what she would say. Yeah, because when I look at it, and then when I look at because there's a lot that I can relate to with Taylor because I've been in an abuse of relationships to in my past, and so I look at it and I'm like, the situation that was in the garage, I don't I don't care if you were throwing twelve stools at her at him, like you don't. He doesn't put your hands ever, like on you or or attempt to block you or whatever. I don't know the situation. I obviously wasn't in their only saw the stuff, but it was triggering to even like even if you're in that situation, that's not the relationship you should be and that's not a healthy relationship. There's and so it's then watching everything and then the cheating and the lies, and I'm like, oh my God, like it's like I just want to like be like girl, like this is not the direction, but you have to walk through all the steps and the when you're your friends, they know that it's also not right, but you don't want to believe it until you've hit the last, you know, rock bottom with it.
That was like what was frustrating to me, like going into the show, and I was I'm not saying I want to showed to make Dakota look bad in any way, but I feel like Taylor got so much pay and crap for like everything transpired in their relationship. And I think I said it at the scene We're looking for plants, where I was like, Dakota looks like this innocent little angel, but he's not. And that's like what upset me as her friend, is like you look bad to everyone in the public when they really don't know what like is actually going on behind the scene. And so I'm not saying I'm glad that he looks a certain way, but like I'm glad that people now understand that Taylor is human and like it doesn't it's not just for like it goes both ways. And I think like they obviously both have some issues. They had to work through, and I really hope that like it is getting better. I don't know, to be honest, but like I know that they both got a therapy together and separately, So I'm saying that like that has changed. I mean, to me, he seems like chiller easier. I get along fine with him in person. Again, I don't know what's going on the box in the scenes though.
Right, I know, because I just like I I know again she was maybe the big first villain, but I like there's just a piece of tailor I just love, you know, And I just.
I think and that's like where we're like good friends because like I could see myself and her in certain in certain ways. She's also human. I've done so many like I've had so many mistakes, Like who am I to judge her even though her a different than mine, Like she's a great person at her coren I'm glove that the show show that because we were like, wow, like I actually really like her, and I'm like, yeah, seeing how she really is, you.
Know, and I exactly on the show.
Yeah.
Well, and sometimes two people can just be so toxic for each other and so unhealthy for each other. It's like her ex like I actually loved him as a person, you know, I considered him a friend. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna sit here and say what y'all are doing is okay, because it's not.
Yeah, he's going to be great with someone else, but like we were not great together, and it's like, that's awesome. They're doing the work and stuff and hopefully, and I don't believe that every relationship is completely doomed, yes, with those things. Having said that, yeah, it's a long road to recovery for both of them together.
It is. And you know, like again I always says, I wish them the best. I hope they can work out, Like the kids together is like, I hope that they can you know, work together as long as they're both happy together, you know, like, because no one wants to be in a relationship, no matter what situation it is, and not be happy. So I'm really hoping that they can work it out.
Speaking of the happy though, is generally like staying in New York because that makes me sad too, that whole situation where I just she just.
I don't know, it just makes me sad.
No, I know, I think so they decided not to do New York and they went to Arizona for med school. So I don't know what those situations. I know it's closer though, So I mean like from what I would hear from her that she would want to come back, you know and like hang out with us and stuff, I don't know the full situation, To be honest, I will say she's always been like this in her relationship. She takes like seven business days to respond to text. So it's like sometimes she's a kid, like where you been, Like that's just jen Like she's just like kind of doing her own thing. But obviously we all want her happiness. I've have a lot of people being like hey, now, like interject with Zach now right, because they seem to do it with Dakota. I was like it was a different situation though, because I've known Taylor longer and like in friendship longer, so like it was a different situation. Also because Zach and Dinner married, And I think it's a stickier situation because like if you're dating someone, it's like okay, great, like break up, there's no issues, whereas if it's like you're married, like that's a whole process and like everyone's gonna want to work through that more in depth before they just call it quit. So I've gotten some feedback where it's like, hey, now deal with Jen. I'm like, Okay, I don't want to get involved in any more relationships at this point, Like I feel like it's causing me a lot of stress. And I think I see to sit this one out for a sec.
Yeah, that's all bad for her.
I will get my opinion though, Well.
I will say this is really cute.
So my husband, so you know, obviously the bigs were at my ex husband's house, and so we just have I have a ten month old baby, and so I was binging this past weekend and and Alan is kind of in the background, just peeking in. I just love how he's always like all these shows and then like I find him, you know. And so he actually watched the season finale with me because it was cute. He's like, you can watch the show tonight.
I'm like yeah.
I was like, go like workout or whatever. It's it's you know, it's just going to be an hour. He'said, no, so go to I think I'm good. I'll just come sit on the couch with you. And he was like totally in but he loved your husband the most. Oh yeah, but I feel like we also didn't get to see much of y'all's together, So yeah, is I guess is there going to be a season two? It seems like it, I mean, and also will you show more? Were you trying to keep that more private?
Season two is confirmed yet? I mean, I think it's looking truly likely, like seeing how all the show did, so I would be shocked if there wasn't. As far as my husband goes, he's like literally like an angel, Like I dated some interesting men and then like it was hard for me to even commit to him because he was like so good and like I met him when I was a single mom too, and like he was only twenty actually when we met, and like full on took the role as like dad. Like he's just like I really feel like he's won a million. Like there's not a lot of men like him, especially like that young, who are willing to take on that role. But like not mean no pressure on my end. He's just like I want to like if anything, he was chasing me out like get away, you know, So it was like he like healthy love for a second. As far as like my family being on the show. I definitely tried to keep things more private. However, we did film together like multiple times. It was just cut like I don't think curious about toxic him now about to like shame any else's husbands or anything, but like he's just like anyone. They love him, Like he's just like so like good, so like I don't know pure.
Right, Well, it's kind of like I feel like late like Layla Liz, I don't name she, Like she didn't get a lot of airtime either, no, you know what I mean, Like towards the end, she did, but I feel like she probably didn't bring enough drama or whatever they want.
This didn't either me. It's interesting, Oh yeah Cayla are like best friends, but I didn't show that. I'll deal look like we're close friends and I'm like.
I would not have picked that up.
Yeah at all, my best friend since like twenty twenty. So I was like, this is so interesting, like watching the edit and it's like I'm Whitney's my best friend, Like well, okay, like we were treating of actually like we have now us three all the time, and it didn't really show the fallout of that at all. So it's interesting watching to edit too, because I'm like, you was like, oh, so, what is your best friend?
I was like, oh, that's so fun.
This is funny, but one really bad. I don't really know, but can you can ask it. But the funny thing was is at the very end, Alan goes, well, why is she calling her?
I was like, I.
Would call her too, all of us would.
I would let me.
Tell you the reasons why. I was like, because she's probably been in the same situation and that is the girl's girl being like, this is what it is, you know, So do we do.
We get to know more about this phone call? Can we talk about it?
I mean I can't really say much. He isn't two you. We'll see it, like assuming we get one, because it's definitely gonna happen.
But I was dying to know about that.
But I figured, yeah, okay, I think we should just talk now about baby mama yet so it is tell us everything. And also I got to say too, you know, congratulations. You said you started this before the show, but this is probably was also helped the business too, which I think, you know, as much as reality can be tough, it also can grow a business.
Insane. Yeah, I know.
So I've been working on it since like twenty twenty one, so like it was kind of like a long time coming. And then like when we got the opportunity to the show, I was like, well, I better gooffle it up and like get it pushed out. Like. But we had been working on formulating and doing everything for a while and I did idf to con see with my husband, and during that time, I was like, why are you doing something specific like for before I get pregnant? Do I just like, oh, just start toking g at prenatal And so I was like I want something specific for before and something specific per after, because like I went to the doctor actor had her and you're like, just take your preena, like you take your prenele, and even then, like the preatle I was taking, so I just handsaking pills when I was pregnant. Was like this random one of the target and it has like all the synthetic like colors and sweeteners, and I was like, this is like so dumb. So one make thing that was specific for like my journey, I guess. And I was like I hope other women want this too, And so we made our gummy is like our We have a fertile gummy, which also like you can take it if you don't want to get pregnant because it's helpful for like PMS symptoms and overall reproductive help. And then we have a pregnancy gummy and then a postpartum gummy, which is like helpful with like milk supply, water retention after birth, and obviously your hormones. And it has like all the necessary vitamines your body needs to like help your body, all of them do. And then they're free from artificial colors, sweeteners, dyes, and they're vegan non gmocal in freuse, Like they're really clean. They have a little bit of sugar in them because like we want them to taste good as well, but like everything is like very clean and really excited how everything went, and like to be able to lack at the show was an amazing opportunity. So because people don't realize like it's a small business, Like it's me and one other person, and like we're grind into like do the social the website, like the customer service, and it's like it is such a new field and like being an influencer and so I feel like it's been a grind. Like the shows definitely helped with the exposure and the sales, and so super grateful. I'm really hoping we can expand into like more products as well.
Oh, I'm so happy for you.
I love you sweet, I know Sam.
I'm going to send to you guys some you're ad just Nelson.
Yes, please would absolutely love Okay, So that's and then they can find it. Where is it baby mama dot com?
Or where isabmama dot co?
Is that co on Instagram and TikTok as well as baby mama dot co?
All right, was there anything that you want people to know from the show, Like, what is the biggest takeaway that you want?
I think for me is like, even going into the show, my purpose was like I want someone to watch the show and be able to relate to at least one of us because I think, I mean, they didn't highlight it in season one, but all of us have pretty unique backstories and I really hope season two can shed light on that and people can feel inspired, whether they're in a relationship where maybe they don't feel like they can speak up or they can breathe the breadwinner, they don't feel like they can work or you know, I tell people to watch it and be able to relate to somebody and feel like they're not as, they're not alone, you know, and like inspire people. You know. I'm really hoping again like people can see as on a deeper level in season two, because I think them even more so to be able to relate to us when they see the core.
Of who we are, right and I think too, like what I got from the message was that yes there's drama, but that your friendships and the women around you can can help you not only grow but have fun and love and absolute port Yeah.
Like all of us we support each other if we need someone, if he's going to talk to, Like we have within our friendship a good community. I think that's what's different about the show is like going into we were all friends and shows you're castid like individually, we were friends going into this. So even doing that show was like, oh, why I wouldn't it want to do it Like it's we're already like together making mom talk videos, Like why not make a show of it and show who we really are behind the scenes, And so I think that's what's cool about the show is like it's just showing who we are at a different level.
Yeah, and that's so I think like makes it sad about the certain aspects of you know, how the relationships then went down, Like Whitney, It's like you were defending her with the RSV video and you know all those situations, so it's you know, then to have it kind of end up here can be disheartening. But also you have a group of girls that also have your back too, like you're not in and alone, You're not the only person cast it out on the island.
Yeah, and exactly, and that situation too, it's just hard because mean what we have in friends and so like it's it was just hard doing because I wasn't expecting what happened to happen in general. And again, I never want her to feel like isolated or like left out, because I wouldn'tant that for anyone, doesn't matter who it is. I won't want them to feel bullied or anything. And I do feel bad sincerely because she is getting a lot of mean stuff online.
Why do you think she's getting the heat? Like if you can be like this is the thing, why do you think she's getting the heat?
I will say it I think it's because she didn't take a lot of accountability in the show, like in her interviews and stuff like it seemed like she I will say, she kind of play a little bit where it's like, okay, like if you hurt someone and like maybe you didn't mean to like maybe apologize like and you know, be like hey, how can we see to eye? Like seek to understand before being understood. And I think that is something that she lacked a little bit. But again, like it's hard because I love to give like everyone grace and the benefit of a doubt, like she is pregnant, Like I don't know like how I would feel pregnant, Like I know things like your hormones are crazy stuff because I will say, like what happened on the show and how things inspired like I hadn't really seen her like that before, but I've never seen her pregnant until now. So I was like, well, maybe like her hormones just a little bit extra because there were certain things we film that were covered. She was like crying a lot in the beginning. I was like, are you okay? Like I've never seen her like that, So I wonder too if she's under a lot of emotional stress, and I'm like, at the end of the day, I think when he's a good person in her heart, but like she has some improvements to make and we all.
Do you know, so we all do.
Yeah.
I really hope that people lighten up on her.
Do you think mom Talk will survive without her? Because she seems to think that it won't because she is always a good luck without me.
So I'm just curious. Do you think it would survive without her?
Yes, unfortunately for that situation, But I love won't Talk will survive in general. I'm just kidding, that's what you know.
It was absolutely it absolutely will. When you guys, If you guys ever come to Nashville, can we do a mom talk please?
Oh my gosh, yeah, my god. I've been wanting to come to Nashville so bad. Like my husband and I both gets on our list.
Well, Alan loves your husband, so just come up. Well, people all go out and hang out.
He would love that. Like, my husband wants to go to Nashville so bad because we got into country music in the last couple of years. If you've got to go to Nashville, I'm like, I want to. I want to do it.
Just so fun to be a last Well you are invited anytime.
Let me know.
I'll slide into your DM right now and we can perfect get it going. But thanks for coming on.
This was so fun.
You're so sweet, and I just what I love about you is that at the end of the day, and that's like you just want everyone to be happy. Can we all just kind of get along? We all have our stuff, we all have to grow, we have to work on this, and I think and we're all human too at the end of the day.
So yes, I just I love that about you.
Thank you. I know. I think we're all just hopefully trying our best and just trying to survive this crazy life. And I hope that everyone can have grace for anything they do, because I think most people have good inttention so.
A thief, So yes, absolutely, and everyone go get baby mama. Yes, good stuff, all right, thanks girl.
Thank you so much. It's so nice.
Chatting nice to me.
Oh, I just love her love She's my favorite. She's so great. It would be so fun. We have to do a mom.
Talking and she don't you love it when you like for you, like when you love someone and they're like like you love me.
I know, because I'm like, she probably has no idea who I am. It's always really fun.
When that happens.
You.
Yeah, she's great, She's so good.
I do feel bad about because that would be hard to have a friendship and then not go as expected.
Yeah, and she's still being like, she's being honest about the situation, and she's being honest about Whitney. But she's also still being kind to her, you know what I mean. She still has a way.
She says her peace, but then also says, but we all have our stuff.
Like yeah, and she's you know, said what she's disagreed with. But still, you know, it'll be interesting. And I hadn't really thought about this, but she was pregnant, and I wonder if she would have acted as you know, sometimes we act.
A little different when we're pregnant. Yeah, the hormones. Interesting.
I was very defensive when I was pregnant. Yeah, more defensive as a normal.
Yeah. I just hope there's a season.
Too, Hannah, how did you think that one? What were your thoughts?
I hope she's great. She's so sweet, you guys, But I do I I like what she said about Whitney. I think it does make you see Whitney and like a little different, like definitely the presence you think, but I also just feel bad, like I just don't think anybody should be getting all the heat.
Yeah, I can only imagine.
That's what's so hard because you are signing up for people to have strong opinions one way or the other. But at the same time, you don't have to have You can say I don't like this person, but you don't have to be like me.
I just think people think that they have their right. But it's like you could also just keep scrolling, like I not agree with something, but I don't have.
To leave a comment. That's just what the craziest thing to me. Yeah, but agree text your girlfriends like yes, like I did. I said the longest voice memo to Catherine ended up she not get it. But I'm not going to say this on because it's you know, yeah, I can say it to my close friends. I would never say because I wouldn't want that person to actually hear my random thoughts of this fun reality show.
Yeah, you know, do you guys think that she maybe wanted to be the villain of the show to get the airtime, because like you said maybe a couple of the girls were cut out or just didn't get a lot of airtime, So like, could this have been her because she's still kind of on social media carrying this persona, this attitude that she get through the show, So like maybe this is her way of like, I got the airtime people are talking about me.
Yeah, maybebe I don't know. I couldn't do it. I'd be so well gotted by the comments it will say.
But it would be interesting to see what happens for a next season for people like Leyla and different people that didn't get enough. Do they try and bring drama to the show to get more airtime next season, which you see a lot in Housewife?
Well house is that I'm saying, if you don't know drama, you're going to be cut off the show, right, I.
Know I'm out if I don't cause so the next season it's like, Oh, they're so annoying because they just won't stop trying to cause the drama.
Yeah, it'd be interesting to see if it's the same.
I don't have thick enough skin to ever go any because I mean, like even like when Hannah sends these clips of things for Instagram, like oh, I sound like a baby.
Don't post that or don't.
We Well, we talked about reality shows before, and like you know, every time they've come up, you know whatever, you're like, hey, you would do it right, And I'm like, yeah, no, I hate to tell you, there's no way I am actually ever doing that.
Yeah, and I definitely have like executive producer, like all editing rise and to make even then even when you edit it to what you think, then you're still going to.
Get, you're still gonna get. Yeah. No, I couldn't do it, I know.
Anyways, that was fun. Thanks for getting her fun love.
Yeah, of course she was very all
Right, ladies, see you next week.