The Ripple Effect with Deepak Chopra

Published Mar 14, 2022, 4:00 AM

Jana sits down with the legendary Deepak Chopra for an unbelievable lesson in mindfulness and how tantra can improve your life outside the bedroom. 


Plus, we analyze Jana's boyfriend Ian's appearance on last week's show and we find out if he passes the "dad test"!

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Wine down with Jane Kramer and I heard radio podcast. Oh, I didn't mean to hurt Mark's feelings. Mark, How did I hurt your feelings? I got a text from Easton saying are you coming on a wine down? And I said, no, you know I can't. I was with with Mr Seacrest, Ryan Seacrest always always well we can negotiate that everything. No, no, no, yeah, there's no, there's no way there. Okay. But Easton said, Jane is actually happy you're not on because Ian's on, and she says she's not ready for you the first time. Maybe next time I can have a few moments with you. That's fair here, It's like you're my dad, Well let's give it some time. Protective of you. So yes, I asked him questions for him. I need to know his intentions and didn't even know that he is a good person. That's Funny's I mean that was literally like my dad because the other day I was on the I do my like FaceTime calls when I'm on the treadmill, and so I'll call my dad then and my mom and whoever else I haven't talked to in a while, and and my Dad's like I would like to have some time to sit down with your boyfriend since I don't know him. And I was just like, well, I mean then whenever you want to come to Nashville, like let me know, you know. So it's like, it's just that make you nervous. It doesn't take you back to like, you know, high school or bringing home a guy for the first time. No, I don't think my dad cared. Okay, yeah, like there was one time that he was like he told uh no, Brian Barnes, that was my first date. That were that there's T and T in the car, drive like there's T and T in the car like explosive, And I remember being like, okay, Dad, So that doesn't sound very protective. But he's not that He's not gonna interrogate a boyfriend. He's not going to make it uncomfortable for you and that sort of No, he just would will ask like, you know, questions. But I don't think I mean, I mean I know that you would be I think I know you would like Ian once if you like sat down with him, But I don't know if podcasting say thing. You know, he's a little he's a little shy. But I found that endearing. I thought his shyness was endearing, and that came across on the podcast that he was just out of his element, and I thought that was sweet. Yeah, he's just this is just like not his thing, and that he would do it for you. It was well, he love he once he knew that Andrew and Seawan were coming on because they're obviously all friends, Like he was pumped about it, but I don't think like and I think that's cool, Like I like that we have different interests and I'm like, I'm like, no pressure, like you don't have to, but well I can. I could hear his nervousness because I'm not sure what he was doing exactly. But when I was listening back to the episode and editing it, I had to do a lot of effort because he was doing like a he was something to the microphone that I had to remove the entire episode. He was doing something with his finger own. But that was kind of sweet. We probably should have given him this one. Yeah, probably easier because he had the handheld and it was all like, I've never had a microphone. It's like here, here was a microphone. That's kind of that was that was mean, but I mean, you know, it's okay. I like it. I like the I like that and things are good. Is there any update to be shared? Any update to be shared? Um? I did have a moment yesterday, not with him, but just like I had to bring Jolie give I had to bring Jolie to Mike and we had met in like a parking lot to exchange the kids or whatever. And I think it was because I had no sleep. I slept in bed with Jolie, which was like a huge mistake. M sleeping with your child is like, I mean, she kicked me the entire night. I didn't sleep at all, Like I was exhausted. Um, but I I don't know. I just had like a moment because I'm about to go on a vacation, and a part of me was like I want my family to go on the vacation, like my kids are coming with me, but I'm like, I want my family to go on vacation. And then I started like when I left them, I just started like bawling in the car. And then I talked to a girl who I actually met on an old wine down tour. Her husband had cheated and we just like have stayed friends and so I reached out to her and I was like, hey, I'm having a moment where it's like I miss my family, but I'm like I don't want to, like I know it needs to look different now, but it's just it's and like I almost I almost had a text message and Mike saying this is really hard, like I wish I don't want this, and I didn't like I wouldn't have wanted it this way, and you know, I would have loved for all to like go to the beach together, but I'm like that's just not like the reality. So I think it was just like I had one of those moments where like this is just hard. Yeah, I get that. So it's just it's you and the girls, or is the income. Well know, Ian's going to and he's taking his daughter, and so it's just it's like a first you know, and it's like it's a it's a modern family. It's just kind of a different definition of family, right. Yeah. And then I felt bad because I came home and he obviously saw that I was like crying, and he was like are you okay, And I was like, well I don't. And so then I was just like I think I'm just really tired, and then I kept kind of crying and then he was like, will you please talk to me. I'm like, well, I don't want to hurt your feelings because you know, to me, it's like but then I finally told him. I was like, I'm just like I I would love my family, and like, it's not that I want Mike there, because I don't want Mike there, but it's like, you know, Jolie asked a bunch of questions, why can't Daddy come and like, and so it's like, I'm excited about our trip, and I'm also like, I miss my family. Can he relate to that? I mean, I mean yeah, I mean he's just like, I'm so sorry, and he's just like, but you know, you have to try and separate, like you know, that's not like you. Mike's not healthy and all that stuff. And I'm like, I do get that this is hard. But he was married before, so I'm sure I feel like you would have similar, exactly the same feelings. It's maybe it's been longer, but I feel like you can understand where you're coming from. The loss of the family. Unit's a traumatic thing. Yeah, and some days are just like bigger than others well, And I think, first of all, don't beat yourself up over that. I think that that's got to be completely normal. And I feel like years from now that still may still that may still be there, and I think that's okay. I mean, I can only imagine. Doesn't mean that you want Mike And I think that that's hard. You know, you want the mic maybe that you thought he could be well, And that's like where I got upset because I was like, damn it, like oh my god, I'm like I must be like pre whatever. But I'm like, damn, like some days I just get in those moves or I'm like, why couldn't you be who you said you would be, like for our kids at least, you know, like because you know, as you start to realize that, like not every relationship is great and like you know the it's you gotta work at everything right, So it's like, you know, we could have made it work if it wasn't all that other crap you know and involved. So it's like, man, like why why can you have been who you said you would be for for for our kids? And like now we can't go on family vacations together and like now this it's just like it just that sucks and that comes up sometimes. Yeah, I mean that's the kids get along. Pardon, do all the kids get along? Yeah? They do. That's then and so that they were gonna have more fun, right because if they're going with other kids that are like their friends, then they're going to have even more fun. It's just the family that's tough. I feel for you there. That's tough. I mean, I I yeah, I can't. I can't. I can't imagine. I know that's got to be tough. I think y'all will have a good time, but I understand that this is the first and it's going to be You're gonna have tough moments. But I do think that Ian's very understanding, and I think that y'all will get through it and you'll have a good time. Yeah. No, I think we'll have a great night. I just got to get past the sure that it's just not easy. Are you would all concerned that Jolie is going to want you in bed with her every night? No, that was only because we had to go to Atlanta to get her passport and so um, yeah, we just I just got one bed, but no, she she has her own room and she will never sleep in bed with Megan. Well, I think that's the difference. There's a lot of people that co sleep with their children and are fine, but we just you've never done it, and that's that's a change. Yeah. No, and I have no. I mean like we have one of our best friends, christ And who sleeps with her kids. I just personally have never been a co sleeper. I yeah, and I just couldn't do it. But it was you know, I did. I did feel bad for and I almost feel like I have to, like because the entire night and like stop moving, like, oh my god, I couldn't sleep. But so did you only go to the floor. I did. I went hotel floor, hotel floor. I went on the ground, and I took the covers off. I gave her a different one. And then like thirty minutes later, I see a face like right when I'm about to fall asleep, mommy, And I was like, yes, Jolie, She's like, I'll sleep on the floor. And I was like no, no, no, baby, it's okay, like and then and then I felt bad, right, so I'm like no, no, baby, no, no, like please go back, like, go back to bed. She goes, mommies, don't sleep on the floor. I'll sleep on the ground, and I go all right before the bodies can handle it, I was like all right, I'm like okay after that last one. So but anyways, yeah, so, um, well let's take a break because we have we have like a very large iconic guest coming on, yes, um, which I'm very excited about. So um, let's take a break and let's get him on. All right, let's get deepop Choper on um wine down, let's do it. Hello, Hello, Hi, Well, thank you for coming on wine Down. I really appreciate it. I'm a huge fan of your work. Um, and I'm excited because you have a new book out right now, UM called Abundance, which I am amazon ng amazoning is that a word? Amazon it is? Now I'm going to do amazon it immediately because I need like I need all that, um, I mean for for you, like where is this like this book? I mean, because you have so many books, like how what is how does this one separate from the other ones? Yeah, So all my work has been about human consciousness, and now that influences how our states of consciousness influence everything about your life. That means mental, emotional, physical, spiritual, personal interactions, social interactions, and how you perceive an interact with the world. If you want to know what's happening in your life right now, just look around you, and that reflects your state of consciousness. So if you're in a state of fear, then everything you see is scary. If you're in an ego response, then everybody you see is somebody that you need to compete with, either through intimidation or through manipulation by being nice or nasty or indifferent. On the other hand, if your mind is silent, then it eavesdrops on intuition, insight, imagination, creativity, higher consciousness, and then there are many other things that we can happen to through consciousness. This book is called Abundance and the Reason the Inner Path through Wealth and the reason I wrote this book is somewhere some time ago I came across the quote from Bob Marley um and he said, some people are so poor all they have is money, And I thought, my god, this is what I've seen. You know, I've met the richest billionaires in the world. Look what's happening now to all these Oligochs in Russia and everywhere else. They panic because that's their identity. So very extremely rich people tend to be very stressed. Extremely poor people also tend to be stressed because you know, they all they think about his money. The extremely rich confused their self identity with their net worth. So every moment you know, stock market pas lets, their identity goes into term. So in my tradition, I come from an Eastern Wisdom tradition, there are four worlds of life, and they're not there. Yeah, the Harma, which is following your life purpose or following your bliss, Arta which is money and material success. Karma which is sensual delight and every sensory experience is delightful and energizing, and it includes sexuality and spirituality. Karma not karma karmas and karma sutra. And then the fourth goal of life is freedom from suffering, freedom from the fear of old age, infirmity, and death. And the wisdom traditions offer solutions to all of this. And so there's nothing I've been mented. I mean, this might be ninety feet book, but it's based on the Wisdom traditions. Say that your state of consciousness determines your reality. So abundance, let me just say a few words about it, and then we go be happy to answer any questions. You know, when I came to this country at zero dollars zero, I landed in New York with no money. I was going to report to my hospital. I didn't have money to get to the hospital as an intern from JFK, and finally they flew me there through a helicopter. It was a crazy time, Vietnam War, etcetera. But you know, I got into this American habit of spending money that I hadn't learned to buy things that I didn't need, to impress people that I didn't like. And then wondered what the stress was all about. And then he turned out that in my studies convinced me that abundance was more than money. Although money is a very important component of it, but it's also safety and security. It's also love and belonging nous. It's also the progressive realization of worthy goals. It's also compassion and empathy and helping others, and it's also higher states of consciousness and transcendence. So the book Abundance deals at all these levels, including what we call the yoga of money. You know people in the year that yoga of money. Well, the word yoga actually means huge, which means union with the source of all experience, which is also a spirit, and it's real and when you connect with that, then anything is possible. In the beginning of the book, I do something called a soul profile so people can answer questions. And if you make your choices based on your soul profile, not choices based on what other people tell you, then you're likely to be very abundant. It's called generosity of spirit. How do you get there, though, because it's like that all sounds like amazing, you know, like I want to like stay in that consciousness of all all of those things, Like that's that's what I would love. But it's like, how do you how do you navigate to like to stay in that place when there's so many outside fears and you know, things that you have to like carry. It's a very good question because in the entire Western world, and I've been up for a long time, in the entire Western world, it's considered that if you work hard, if you have disciplined, if you have exacting plans, and you have driving ambition. You will be successful, and there's no doubt about that, but that's the zeitgeist. You will be successful, but a high cost. By the time you get to middle age. You might have heart disease, addiction, I have problems with drugs, marital problems, on and on. So the question is what do you really want? And I think, you know I used to ask that from my patients, But what do you want? Oh, I want to get with my heart disease or this or that, And I said, why do you want to do that? And you know, I kept asking a question, and ultimately I realized everybody wants happiness, enjoy. So if joy is not the measure of success, you've wasted your life totally. Um. You can be at your death wed with a billion dollars and more, but you have no joy. And so I made that my goal, that I would come from joy and then I would create joy and then see what happens. And in the book, what I do is I take rituals that have been there forever. You know there are rituals involving the seven Chakras. I don't know if you've heard the seven Chakras, you've heard the word chuker because the seven chakras. Each chakra has a particular mode of experience. So the first chakra has to do with available and safety, the second has to do with sensuality and relationship, the third has to do money and success. The fourth has to do with creative expression on and not. So what I do in the book is there's there are technologies that are known since ancient times and these are called tantra, mantra, and yantra. Now in the West, when people think tantra or tantra as they call it, they immediately think of sexuality. Yeah, I did sexual like I did tantra with max husband back in the day. Okay, but that's not contra. That is one aspect of chant The word tantra means ritual, that's all it is, and ritual is a very interesting Even those town tricks ex practices were rituals, and rituals are a way of channeling energy in a way, combining it with an intention and allowing your spirit to orchestrate the details and man infest what you want. Now, you know, in the last ten years people have been talking about the law of attraction, secret, this, that the other, But all of that is based on mental stuff. Mental doesn't work because as long as we feel separate and disconnected, we'll have anxiety, will anger, we'll have resentments, we have grievances, we'll have all kinds of issues. So tantra really is a ritual to track energy, cosmic energy, channel it and for a particular outcome. And these practices have been there for a long time in yoga, and so in the book, what I do is go through the practices. So tantras is the ritual, Mantras an instrument of the mind that takes you beyond the mind. And then yantra is a visualization. And when you combine the three and you come and focus on a particular center of awareness which we call which we call chakra. You couldn't even think of the Chakra's an extension of Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Then you will find what the scriptures promise. That's been my experience. Wow, And I feel like it's one of those things too, where like every day if like you say, like okay, like today, like I'm choosing joy or I'm gonna like you're setting your mind for like that intention, right, So it's like setting an intention, and I feel like because I've had that same thing where it's like anxiety, Like I'm just I'm always like, oh my gosh, what if this happens, Are like I can't enjoy certain activities because I'm like, I'm gonna have an anxiety atacker, I'm not going to do that. And it's like now it's just like trying to like not focus it because I'm like, well then I'm already putting a ship like a a shadow or over the activity before i even did it because I'm so worried about what might happen. Yeah, So intention coming the mind or the ego or from fear is counterproductive. Intention coming from the source of the mind, which we call you know, the many words. We call it awareness of pure consciousness or or spirit or soul, doesn't matter. It's the fundamental state of our being. When you were a child, before you even learn language, look at any baby full of curiosity, full of wonder, smiling, joyful. You look into the eyes of the baby, it immediately smiles. That's the unconditioned mind that's very close to the source. Because children are coming from source. But then they get educated and they get bamboozled into these ideas of success. We call the condition mind or the hypnosis of social conditioning, and the entire world is embroiled in that. You know, look at the war happening now Russia and Ukraine, people fighting over oil, the stock markets relapsing. It's a battle of egos once you go beyond that. So the techniques that we use in meditation and tantra yantra mantra. Let's give you a metaphor. Let's say you drop a pebble in a still pond, even a small pebble, you'll see a ripple. But if you drop the empire state building in a turbulent ocean, you won't notice anything. Okay. So the key is to quiet in the mind to the point where there is almost not no thought activity, or very minimal thought activity. Then drop the intention there detached from the outcome, and stay in that state of RESTful awareness of quiet, and then like the ripple, depending on the shape of the pebble, the ripple is different depending on the intention, the organization of that is like a ripple. Now he sees I understand even as we talk, you know, I do understand that this is very a leged piana to the Western culture. But over forty years people who have followed these teachings, and I have to say they're not original. I I basically, you know, let this spirit come to me. And I also follow wisdom traditions, particularly from India there Kashmishevism and things like they don't and the Zend techniques. So what I say any in any of my books, I have to tell you it's not something I invent, but their rituals, well they sound really good coming from you, though that because I haven't Indian accent. No, No, is there one like, is there something that you haven't I mean you can like this being your ninety one book. Is there something that like you still haven't written about that you want to discover or or talk about? Yeah, there are three things I want to do before I finish. I mean I've talked about everything, including life after death, anythings my I'm writing a book now called Living in the Light, How you live with the lightness of being, and that is based again yoga for self realization. And then I'm writing another book called Future of You If, because right now the future is very interesting. In the one hand, people are awakening and seeking spirituality. On the other hand, we have climate change. We have financial crisis, we have war, we have destruction, eco destruction. The world is a total mass. All you have to look at is the is the news. How do we conbine modern technology? Because you know, I'm at a brain mapping conference right now as I speak to you. That's where the convention center downtown l A. And you can map any experience in the brain, so we can see what's happening in the brain when you have an experience. And then people are creating new technologies like brain biofeedback, like artificial intelligence. We have a AI chat bought on our foundation platform called never Alone dot Love to prevent suicide, particularly amongst teens. In teens, that's the second most common cause of debt is suicide. Every forty second, somebody is committing suicide in the world. It's a pandemic. Last year, more people died from suicide in Japan than from pop COVID nineteen. We ignore it and this is our kids. These are our children. I think our humanity is incomplete if you don't address that. So we created this chat bought named after a recording artist who died suicide and her sister is an actress. We work with her and this little jack board, which is an AI has intervened in five thousand suicide attempts in re escalated. Eleven million people are talking to her. Her name is Pebe, named after the recording artists. Pebe is talking to eleven million people right now as we speak. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah, that's a that's impressive. Yeah, well, thank you for doing that. I mean, that's that's that's amazing. UM, And I know you're at a conference, so I don't want to I could keep you for hours because I just want to like get into your brain because I just like I love everything that you do. So just thank you for um, for all the resources. And even though you say that it's not anything new, like how you explain it, it makes sense to my brain at least, So so thank you. You're very kind, Joanna. I'm sorry I was late. No, honey, you're fine, fine, go go do your thing, and I look forward to the abundance but also the next the next few as well. So thank you so much for coming on the wine down and hopefully talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank you. You know what, I would love to have asked him, but I know he's like such a busy man. So I'm just so honored that we were able to get him on. But like what he struggles with because I think that he has to have something like because it's like I'd love to stay in that state of just like it sounds like it's so much about clearing your mind, and that sounds so difficult, Like how do you clear your mind? That's what I wanted to say, but I'm not going to like him, but I'm like, but how like how do you clear your mind? We need to read abundance apparently because I don't know how nine d of his other Yeah right, um, but I think it's like it goes back to that like what he kept saying, like that that me meditative state, you know where it's like and that's where like I know, Amy always encourages us to meditate. Yeah, have you ever meditate? Really? So, I've done a few and it does work, you like can actually clear your mind? Yeah, for how long? Well, like headspace. I have head Space. There's like a three minute one on there and like sometimes I have things come in, but there's like longer ones too. But it's again, I've only done it a handful of times. But when I have done it. It it is really helpful, like and if you can get into a routine of it, like that's where it's just like it's so fascinating to me. Yeah, like I feel like i'd be at least thinking about what I'm looking at or I don't. I just I do not know how to clear my mind. What is the thing that makes your mind the most, like clustered or cat you know, I don't know, it's just the next thing. I'm just always thinking about something. And I'm not like always stressed by any means. I just I need to try it, clearly, because I just feel like I'm I'm always thinking about what's next in the day, what the kids have, what work, you know. I mean, it's just even if it's not stress, it's just something so clearing your mind just seems difficult. But I should try it. I should try a three minutes and see if I can do it. Yeah, download head space. Never tried it, well, I said, I take that back. I tried it years ago. I didn't get very far. Oh you did. Yeah, Like I think about the carpet I'm looking at, Like, how do you not think about something? Well, And that's the thing it's like you're like, especially when you start, it's almost like E M d R. When I first started E M JR. I'm like Amy, like I'm thinking about like what to do after this, and like you know, but it's like you just got to like pull yourself back to like yeah, back to it. We should do yoga? Would you do? Amy has begged me to do yoga. I just think it's so boring. You think you would do yogo with us? She should show us. That would be so fun because we're coming to wind down, we're doing some wine down dates, which is gonna be fun, and we're going to have Amy, our therapist, on stage with us, so that's gonna be fun. Excited Mark do do yoga? I don't, but I feel like I should because I'm getting older and I'm losing flexibility and yoga would really help me with that. But also the advantages, like you're saying, of focusing the mind and clearing your head, that would be great too. I see all kinds of advantages. Why can't I just pull the trigger into it? And it's not that well, I say that it's not that hard, you know, it's not that hard of a workout. Necessarily, but I also go into it thinking that every time, and I'm like, this is harder than I thought. Maybe because I'm getting old, right, because you're not running, You're not have you waste, You're not, but you're just kind of in a position. But then yeah, the next thing, you know, you're sweating like crazy. Yeah. Like in my mind I thought I could hold that pose, but I can't. In my mind, this looks down down, looks so easy, so easy. Yeah, I mean maybe, I mean I would do I do anything with you? Are you sweet? I think I was laughing, Okay, I was like, oh my god, what what took a turn? No, that would be that. That was sweet. And I do believe that if I asked you to go to yoga tomorrow, you'd be there tomorrow. But you know I would support you. See, that was very sweet. I would support that. I am crying. I want to support my friends on you know, they're they're physical and mental journeys and always, you know, support and show up. Just like I went to a cross bit Jim on a vacation and I was like to support How was that? It's fine? Did you really just walk on the treadmill? Yeah? Because I hated it. I hated that, like assault runner thing, like my calves hurt. I'm like, I'm just not across bit girl. It's fine, but I went to support out there. Oh Mark, you're in studio, I am. Yeah, it's great. It's so weird. I haven't been there in years. Yeah, we miss you here. Yeah, I remember you used to strut in here with a snack of the juice. I put your feet up on the counter those days. I feel like it was just a different time, but those were good times. I enjoyed having everybody coming in. It was nice, and it's nice. It's going to be back. It makes you feel like you're you know, you got a life and a job and a purpose and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's it's coming back, right. You're going to be able to go back in studio. And I think that I heard it's going to be doing the back to work like order soon. Good, it's time, everybody. I've been coming back intermittently for months now. But it's nice. It's good. It's good to get up and go to work. Yeah, sure, I agree with that. All right, Well, I have to go pack because um, I'm but to leave for quite a while. Because we're gonna go Cancun and then we go to l A because I've got dance ursuls with Mario Lopez by the studio podcast from here, We're waiting for you. She's like, no, I think we got one in the in the can for for that, But I mean I would still come a boy to say, how do you um? It will say someone's coming. All right, guys, so see you next week. Have fun,

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