Jana has a problem and she HAS to ask Dr. Oz when he comes on the show. (It’s intimate and personal)
He shares some information that will help people feeling anxiety about the pandemic and he reveals some HUGE secrets from his 35 year marriage.
Plus, Jana and Mike have an honest conversation about how to discipline other people’s kids.
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Find Down and radio podcast. Our book came up. It's starting to sink in now, I mean, released week, so much fun. Oh my goodness, it's just been it's been insane. We just can't thank you guys enough for all your love and support and just just seeing everyone retweet the book and um their experience with it. I have one girl that already finished reading it. That's amazing. Yeah, So it's just been awesome. Yeah, it's been It's been a crazy cool experience and I'm not gonna lie by the end of the week, really tired of talking about our story and ourselves and you know, we do that a lot on this podcast, but it was just, you know, a lot of the same questions. But it was so much fun because it was in such a different context to be able to talk about it in a positive light of where we're taking the things that we've been through and putting it in. You know, this this beautiful book that we're very proud of. I agree, And we'll be able to talk again about it even more on our own wine that we're doing our live event, which was so excited about October five. So um, yeah, it's gonna be fun. Um. Hi, hand I feel like we've been working together so much, but we haven't really been. I'm your husband, mine, not your coworker. Um, I have something I want to bring up. Though. It was interesting. This was like a week ago, okay, okay, when we had you know, a couple of neighborhood friends over for kind of like it was meant to be like last day of summer party, you know, kids in the pool, We got a couple of bounce houses and stuff, but end up being more of first day of fall party. Kind of was because nobody which I'm glad. I'm glad the kids. Yeah, yeah, it was low seventies and breezy and beautiful outside, but no, it was better for safety reasons and liability and stress levels. It was better that when you say liability, though the two bound as his weird kids like jump and I'm like, and I kept saying, Michael, get them off the top of the bounce house. I actually surprisingly followed the signs on the bounce house. I said kids only because I was close to going in there and just oh, they said the adults were fine. Well maybe I just told myself they're probably safer for everyone involved if I don't go in the bounce house and start messing kids up. Um, but it to that to your point though, When I was like, hey, can you, Mike go ask the kids to get off the bounce house or you know, off the top of it, I mean they were, Yeah, they were pointing on it the way you shouldn't play on it. Yeah, And there's littler kids in there. The older kids were doing it right, And so it brought up the subject and some of the kids I had to tell that too, were kids that we haven't had a lot of interaction with, right, that we don't know too well yet. Like it's one thing if it's our closest friend's kid like Ramsey or something that you know, Nick and Catherine's kids, even like our neighbor, I'm like, Olivia, get down from the Like I'm like, we were with them enough, We're we know how their parents, parents, their parents led us parents, like the discipline. We all kind of are in that same ballpark of discipline, and we were comfortable with our closer group of doing that to each other's kids. But some of these kids that you know, we haven't interacted with. So it's that topic and I wish Mark was on here to speak on it too, of just how you handle kind of it wasn't disciplining other kids, but still talking to them. And you know, I know probably some people have different deliveries with it. I try to be playful about it. The first time. You were super playful about it because they were still bouncing. Because my issue was the smaller bounce house because we had the big one for the big kids and then we have the smaller bounced house where most of the bigger kids were in the small bounce house because they were climbing on these little farm animals and then falling over on but you're not supposed to. You weren't supposed to be on top of the animals like that was just for like decoration. We're not decoration, but it was like one of the low ups. So they're like on top of them, and then of course they're falling over because they're not supposed to be sat on. So kids are getting the smaller kids are getting hurt. And you know that's when I was like when I was in the bounce the other bouncy with Jason, and I was like, Mike, can you please tell so and so to get off there again? Please? And then you went around and said hey, guys, no more or I'm gonna get in there, and you know, and so I'm like, okay, that's his like you know, your disciplined. But then you're also saying because I'm gonna go in and get you guys, and we're all you up. Yeah. I tried. That's how I tried to do it playfully, because most kids will be like, Okay, I don't want that. I don't want Mr Mike coming in and beating us up. Yeah. I feel like I don't know because then I feel like I'm a little bit more down. Hey kid, hey kid, down, But yeah, because there's there's no issue with that, and they might they might like you better, but that's I just I'm like, hey, like that's the little kid room like stop, guys, and where I'm not as like you better stop and room, I'm gonna come in come in there. And yeah, because even when Jolie and another girl had gone inside and the moment said that she went inside and I'm like, what was she doing in there? They color and I'm like, no, they gotta be outside, and so I literally walked in. I was like, hey, Jolie, right, your friends want you and you're supposed to stay outside, okay, and the little kids like it's hot. I'm like outside now, I'm just like. This is also the same same kid that ten minutes in the party came out of the bounce house crying what's wrong? She's like, I got kicked in the throat when we were playing karate, and I was like, well, maybe you don't play karate because that's what you do, you kick people in the throats. I had no sympathy for why are you play karate? I got punched in the face? What were you playing boxing? I love kids? Oh, I know. It is sad though, because at one point, um, that same kid kept telling me that Jolie was hurt every second and then I would go to like find her, and Jolie's like fine, bouncing up and down. And finally I was like, stop telling me Jolie is crying or hurt, because you're like every time I freak out, So please stop, go tell someone else, kindly, just leave me a little But I, um, I did hear her crying at one point, and I saw her. She was hiding underneath like the little cow station or whatever, and I was like, baby, what's wrong. She's like Ramsey doesn't want to play with me, and my heart just like broke. And so I went to Catherine and I was like, our girls are fighting again because they're like the closest and so I feel like those girls fight a little bit more and always calls each other to cry. Yeah, and it's because but Ramsey said, it's because Jolie took her unicorn Horsey and that's why she doesn't want to play with Jolie. And I'm like, well enough. And what I love about how Catherine does it is she lets them just figure it out. She's like figure it out. Yeah. So I kind of like that parenting style where it's like you step in like when it gets to be you know, but at the same time like they should figure it out, you know. And I ended up stepping in there and I was like, can you just please go in there because she's sad. I don't want to see I don't want to see her cry. I figure it out, I know, but it's like I don't know. That just makes me sad, like when I don't want to get to that stage. Like I remember, like when Cat told me a story about like, you know, one of the kids was like being mean to the kid on the bus, like her kid on the bus, And I'm just like, I'm not ready for that because that's going to break my heart and then it'll break my heart even more. What if Jolie is the person being mean like that'll then just like destroy me because I hope I pray that she doesn't become doesn't mean to other people. I feel like we're always like you'd be nice to everybody. Go God help our kids if they're ever that kid, and it won't be good cop, bad cop. It'll be bad cop, bad cop from both of us to both to them, but they're so sweet they won't do that. It'll be nice. But it's still just like kids. Like man, I'm scared of that, but it's fun though. It's fun to watch that growth and to see those situations happen. Sorry, I'm just like when you say we have different styles of kids, remember that one kid at the playground. Yeah, that's why it's so funny to me because you talked you talked to these like ten year olds like they're your peer, Like you're like a girl at the club bumped into you or something like That's you'll talk to them like hey, Hey, kid, you got a problem. Okay, that's what I thought. You know, they were being mean and jolly, and I was like, hey, you stop like a kid man like I'm a mama bear. Yes, And just to defend you for a second, so people don't start reading into this, leave the comment, don't You're you're very respectful and still adult when you do interact with kids. But then it's funny because you're coming to me, he said, sile a whole and kick him. I just love that about you. I think it's so funny it entertains me. I will say, though you had it. This is another interesting topic because we know someone that disciplines their kids in front of us. And you even said like you came to me and said I almost stepped in, which is even like I was like, oh, like that made me like super uncomfortable and like, oh what happened? And then we'll talk about it. Hey, what up, everybody? It's wells Adam So. I have a podcast called The Wells Cast. You might know me from being the bar Tender, Bachelor in Paradise, No Winner of Worse Cooks in America, celebrity on Food Network, No Cool, the entertainment Red carpet correspondent. Not starting my first radio show, and I'm sixteen years old and been in radio for the past fifteen years. Nothing engaged to Sarah Highland from Modern Family. Yeah, that's okay, fine, whatever. I have a podcast called The Wells Cast where basically we talked to famous and successful people and find out where they came from and how the heck they got so stink and rich, and we got something for everybody big into sports. All right, we got you Rash Jennings and Victor Oladipo. Are you a music fan. We've gotten a low down from Rascal Flats, Brett Michael's Lance Bass. You begin the reality TV Chris Harrison, Johnny Bananas. You want to find out more about film and TV stars? Okay, Brian Bumgardner from the Office, Dave Koyer from Full House, Scott Eastwood. It's a great way to see what the blueprint is for success. Listen to The Wells Cast on the I Heart Radio app, on Apple Podcasts or wherever get podcasts these days. Al Right, guys, we are so excited to have you unwined with us and we can announce our first couple on the panel, Tyler Rich and his wife Saboena, plus Tyler Rich will perform. It's going to be so great. We're celebrating the release of The Good Fight October five pm Pacific, eight pm Eastern Live Q and a performance couples panel. The tickets are available on t i x R dot com. All the laughs tears in drama you have come to expect. We're so excited and can't wait to unwine with y'all. By the way, we have Doctor Oz coming on our show. I love Dr Oz. Who doesn't. He's been on for twelve years. He's amazing and we actually were fortunate enough to be on The Doctor Show promoting our book, and so now I'm excited to turn the tables, which was hard when we were being interviewed by him. It's like we just naturally wanted to turn the tables on him. It's like, Nope, shut up. So many questions I want to ask him. I can't wait. Somebody great, Like he taught me what a healthy poop looked like. I want that to be the first thing you say. No, please, I have to, Like, I actually want to talk to him about the poops situation because I asked you the other day. I'm like it's not a doctor as like every time people like, nope, not a doctor os. But before we talk about poop, I love you. Let's finish that conversation that you cliff hung us on cliff on Us, cliff on Us. Is that a list Cliffhanger Cliffhanger? Uh? Yeah, So you know, at what point do you step in? Because you know, we saw these friends of ours that were at disciplining one of their children in front of me and it was it was the dad though, yeah, and in my head, like I kind of said to myself, I was like, damn play he's up? Is that that Baguley deal? You know? Um, So that thought just came into my head. I don't know. There's only if there is physical obviously, but then again some parents thank their kids, so yeah, but I could tell I can tell the difference being one who's experienced some of it, I can tell the difference. So there's a difference between just like a little pop or a little spank or spanking and like abuse. So if there's anything like that or or verbal abuse abuse, any kind of abuse, verbal or physical, I would have no issue stepping in. But isn't verbal raising voice? No? Yeah, just yelling at him isn't necessarily verbal. It's it's what they're saying, how they're saying it. M you know what I mean. But is it your place to step in if it's abuse? It's abuse. I think it's anybody's place to step in. No, I agree with you on that, but so, you know, but I can understand in the heat of the moment. In the heat of the moment, you know, maybe if I was crossing the line with the kids or something and someone try to step in, I'll probably be pissed. You'd be so pissed in the moment, but then afterwards I'll probably be like, all right, that's good. That's probably better. I don't think I'll ever get to that point with the kids, but I'm just saying I can. I can understand that. It's it's not like you're going to intervene when someone's parenting their kid, and they can be like, okay, yeah, you're right, they're already going to be, you know, off the scale. Well, and then that would set a you know, It's almost like when I hadn't stepped in on our neighbor, who, by the way, he got arrested again. Our old neighbor. So it's but like when I did say something to them that it was just like weird, and is you become like then it's like you see them driving and you can pretend you're on your phone. It's like that awkward, Like okay, so I feel like that would happen and like, yeah, I mean, but it's all I think in those kind of situations, all about how you handle it afterwards, you know what I mean. And that's how I would I wanted to be handled. That's how I would handle it. On either end. I would go and talk to that parent that I potentially intervened, and okay, I'm sorry that I did that, but this is what I saw. If I'm completely off base, let me know. But I just think it's I think it's interesting. But I do like ultimately, I like being able to trust our close friends with disciplining our children, you know what I mean, Like I want to be able to have the friends also or or you know, the kids have friends that were close enough with the parents where if they're sleeping over at our house or you know, something like that, we're able to talk to them were spect fully and discipline if needed if they when you say discipline because I'm like, when I hear discipline, I immediately go because I grew up in the spanking family, Like when I hear discipline, and I'm like, if anyone spanked my child, no one should ever physically touch their children. You mean discipline by I mean disciplined by not just giving into what they need. But you know, if they're trying to share share, it's like you're not biased towards them because they're the guest. Yes, it's like okay, yeah, when they're real little, yeah you hey, just give them the toy. But this just kidding. No, No, I get that. I get that. I may tell Pamela that all the time. I'm like, hey, if Julie's being a little brat, like put them in tout, yeah, I have no issue with that, or call me or whatever, right right, interesting anyways, hit for though, I bet Easton Eastern you're just gonna m f kids when when you're your kids start hanging out. I'm a gentle guy. I mean, that's something that's crossed my mind. Though. That's a really difficult part of being a parent. I imagine is like because when I was I mean I was a very um I was a very timid child, and so I wasn't being disciplined just at all because I never did anything. But um, the idea of someone of like someone that wasn't my parents like telling me to like even just to quiet down was it was like mortifying to me. So I don't know that's uh you know, but yeah, i'll probably uh, I'll probably uh screw somebody up if I need to. I've got it in me, right. I mean, I really only had one parent parental figure when I was a kid that would discipline. Now was my babysitter from my kindergart through sixth grade even later in elementary squad didn't need a babysitter, but her son was her I still need a babysitter on thirty three. Her son was my best friend, so I would hang out there all the time, so she was family. Basically I was there for seven years at their house every day. So my parents are like free rain and there. You know, they even told me they're like a lease is, you know, a branch off of us. So what she says, what she's you know, does goes Okay. Here's so funny, is I don't remember ever having like I don't know who. I don't know who watched me as a child, Like that's just the honest, Like, I don't I remember one babysitter that came over, Mattlock. Mattlock was your babysitter who sold TV show with any grimth on TV? Was your babysitter. I just really don't, Like I don't know, Like I remember one babysitter came over and like her boyfriend came over. I do know that, but that's like the only babysitting memory I have because I started babysitting when I was twelve or levin, So what did you do before that? I don't know. I'm literally I'm thinking, like I'm like, I'm hearing you have this story and I don't. I don't know. I don't know who watched me. That explains everything. Yeah, that's that's hard, Janna. I know, Like was that bad not to have a memory of that? I'm curious now, it's a very just a mature child, that's all. You could take care of yourself. Yeah, I don't know to text my mom be like who watched me as a child? Did I go to preschool? I don't know, Like both my parents worked, so I must have gone to a preschool, but like where, I don't know. It's a mystery. Oh, you can read about it all in my book some repressed memories, my breast memories in our book The Good Fight. Um yeah, what's U. What's one story, by the way that you love the most in our book that we share? Great question and it's not a spoiler because it's out. You can get it. One story that we share. It's one of my favorite, I think. And I'm saying this. I'm not just saying this because this was a situation that I actually handled correctly. But when we had the conversation, um, you know, and we give like the different versions of the scenario, like version B and version C and how we could have handled it when we were having that conflict, and uh, when we're in Louisiana and we're handling stuff and you know, I've just flown in that day and you wanted me to stay, and it was with easton an Eastern show me up and stayed. Eastern had a significantly longer travel bay than I did. Traveling, I traveled from Nashville to Louisiana. Eastern traveled from Los Angeles to Louisiana and he just stayed un told the wee hours of the morning with you on set, and I'm like, I'm tired, I want to go sleep, which, like we said in the book, like, you know, yeah, I think it's just I like that situation because I think you and I learned a lot from it, you know, in that moment and and afterwards when we discussed it. Um, because I was able to talk to you from a healthy place, you know, one of the I could count those times on one hand. Um, you were able to hear me, I was able to feel heard, and we were able to meet somewhere where we're like had a better understanding leaving that situation. So I just liked the growth in that and painting that picture for for our readers to see that this is how easy it can be, or how simple it can be. It's not always easy, but how simple it can be. So yeah, it's a good one. And Easton enjoyed that night because he was on you know, the set of a movie. I got to see a real Hollywood motion picture being made. That was really exciting for me. And then the next day I went to the Tabasco factory and I had no idea this personal growth was going on behind my very back. It's constantly going eastern. The wind down train is constantly cycling, never stops. What about you. Um, that's a good one. I like that one a lot. I would also probably have to say I think it was chapter seven where the back and forth again and just like how passive like a converse station can be. And I think that goes with anything, whether it's a marriage, a relationship, a friendship. You know, it just kind of paints the overall um picture of how easy it is to be passive and not express feelings. And that's a really good one, especially because to your point, I'm sure that's one of the most relatable situations that in that entire book is I'm highly confident that a lot of people who read that were like, yep, been there. You know. That's a good one. Well, let's take a break and get doctor oles On here and talk what's going on with him? Yeah? Alright, So we are so excited to have the one and only the best doctor in the biz, doctor oz On. Wind up, how you guys doing We get to I'm really excited about this because we get to turn the table. So we were on the Doctor Show promoting The Good Fight, which, um, that episode is gonna air October nine. But Mike and I were talking before the show. I'm like, it was so hard for us to not ask you a question because we had so many We had so many, and I'm like, crap, we can't ask him. It's just but now we get too So I'm super pumped. How are you to him? Very well? You know, I'm in my studio here, so I got the whole team coming in to help me and I even the simplest things I can't manage sometimes, like you can do a heart surgery, but you can't kick to wires. That's really takes a village sometimes. So um, okay, so question for you. Are you ready? I'm ready to take it away. Okay, So I wasn't going to ask this, but I actually so. I'm a huge fan of the show. I've watched for years. Um, because I'm a big Sometimes Google is my doctor, which is the worst thing ever. Like Mike's always like, I'm kind of a hypochondriact. He's always like, get off of Google because you're just you're gonna end up finding something that you know you don't want to read. But I remember watching one of your episodes about the poop and about like how it's and now it's like how it's supposed to look. So my question to you is, and it's so funny because I'll be like, that's not a doctor as poop, like like that's not what it's supposed to look like. But now I'm like worried because i haven't had one of those good ones. So I'm like, is it my diet or what is going on? So I'll tell you a little story about how that will started out and then answer your question. So the very first time I was talking about this, you know, you you learn this stuff in medical school. It's not like way I'm making it up. Every doctor knows what I was saying about poop size. But we never told America. One of the reasons that America doesn't get health in general is they haven't been told in the way that doctors have learned it. You know, it's not rocket science to understand that. You audit what's coming out of your car, right, but there's black smoke coming out, you deal with it. Same for your body. So I was doing the Oprah Show. This is fifteen years ago more. You know, this is you know a long time ago, and uh, she was sitting, you know, across the stage, and I was thinking, how do I tell the story about what the poop looks like on the open room, free show? And you know, you're not even sure how far you could go, but she's just a real person. I thought she'd resonated this, and so I told the story. And we've always talked about that moment as one of those disterting elements, where defining moments where people just realized that you could talk about things like poop and if you do it the right way, not trying to be selacious, but actually being you know, having mission to help people, let you do it. So poop is a good example because there's there's a scale called the Bristol Scale. There's seven kinds of poop you can have, and it ranges from one end where it's just hard rock like pieces of cement um and then the little kind of cannonballs right, and the other side is liquid and so in between you've got some options. And everyone's know, what's the what's the right number of times go to the bathroom? And the answer, actually it doesn't have an answer, is no more than three times a day and no less than three times a week. So sometimes mean three times a day and three times a week is the right number for you. But it's a big range, right, I mean, it could be twice a day, could be twice a week, and you're still okay if you're not feeling like you've evacuated yourself, which is the question you're asking. Then the most important things thing is water, without question, because you have to hydrate the pooper to come out or does perform cement in your colon um, and so the hydration is important. Physical activity incredibly valuable, and the little hidden secret is coffee, which absolutely gets you to go. People drink coffee, know it. If you stop drinking coffee when you were drinking coffee, you can change your bowel. And we actually use coffee enemas sometimes in the hospital. Please don't do this at home to sort of get things going, but there are And then magnesium is really valuable and you can take magnesium. If you take enough magnesium, and in pilform, you will go to the bathroom. They're commercial products of that as well, But I I recommend magnesium because people are getting up in their diet anyway, and it's another great way of just keeping yourself a little regular. We'll see. I have no problem going And I always like laugh because Michael. Michael always makes fun of me because she takes longer to good number one than she does number two. Don't I don't have a gallbladders. I don't know if it's just like I've got no like there's no in between. Like this just goes woof right out of me. But I don't know you had a col sisteck to me. They took a gallbladder out. Yeah, they took my So I don't have a gallbladder or an appendix. Huh. How long ago do they do that? Um? Uh god, h when I was I was twenty. I was twenty so I'm thirty six now, so sixteen years ago. That's really young to get a gallbladder out. We're having a lot of stones or issues with it. Kind of a long ish story, but um, they took out the wrong organ in Romania, so it was actually my gall bladder. I was passing stones. But by the time that they took my appendix out and I got back to the States, um, my pancrease was all crazy and so they ended up I don't know why they just took my gallbladder out too. It's though I don't have a lot of questions. I probably should have just catch you open and took what they needed. But apparently I was passing stones, but I didn't feel them. Yeah, any case, So the gall bladders a storage organ for bile, so we try to take it out if you don't have to get it taken out because it allows It's like a fuel injection system. It will store up the bill from your from your liver and then when you when you eat fatty foods, it will inject it into your your your your doing dam the first part of your testines. People who don't have gallbladders sometimes will have some intestinal issues. It's usually not constipation though, no, no, no, so yeah, like I have no problem going mine's just not like the perfect like diagram that you showed on that that show that one time it could be. Yeah, I mean it's it's ideally it's a cast of your rectum, so it's like an S shape um. You don't want to have punctuation marks coming out of you. You want full letters like c's and s's. Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't get that, all right, I'll have to look into my diet then, because I'm not getting that. Baby. Are you? Do you feel better now? Honey? No, I don't, and I'm like, now I'm changing my entire net. Okay, Dr Oles, let me ask you this. You've been on for twelve seasons now, right of your show, how, especially going through a time like this with this global pandemic and everything, how much responsibility do you feel to inform the public the best that you can? Because so many people across the country, you know, tune into your show for medical advice and medical information. So a time like this, have you felt any more stress or responsibility around that? Oh? A ton more stress. I've never worked as hard in my life. And part of it is because all the rules around publishing material changed. Usually we won't report a story on our show until it's actually been reviewed by the journal, published in a journal, and everyone's't have talked about it, and it will break news, but it's news that's sort of already accepted by experts in the area because they've had a time to process it. That's not what's happening with this pandemic. Every day there's breaking news by some group, and you know, far some far flung part of the world that says something very controversial. You gotta say, are they on something new because they were paying attention to something we all ignored, or is it a you know, is it not really an issue? I mean, just before I got on this podcast, I have been reading this incredibly provocative peace from the United Kingdom arguing that a lot of the world's population is already protected from the pandemic because they had the common cold in past years, and so they have T cells, which are immunity cells that the bodies in place, because the common cold is usually coronavirus. So they're saying that a third of the people in Europe have already been exposed to the coronavirus, so therefore we don't have nearly the problem that you think you're gonna have with people getting infected. Now, is that legitimate not? Does it work? I just had mind checked and I thought, maybe I have T cells because I haven't been infected, and I've been exposed to a lot of people who have been infected. I don't have any of those T cells. So I'm trying to make sense of this. How much do I tell the popular the audience this it's very confusing if you don't present it the right way. So ironically it's moved from this sort of faucet, not even faucets, a fire hydrant of information flowing at you too and me and I have to now decide what do I not tell the audience because it just confuses people worse. I mean, look what happened with masks. You started off saying, don't wear a mask. You can't wear a mask. It don't really work well. In fairness, we know they worked because doctors wear them, right or nurses wear them. So if they didn't work, we wouldn't wear them. So the real truth is, don't wear them because you don't have enough. And then if you don't wear them, you're a bad person. So it's a pretty big move. So the average American listens to that and said, well, geez, you know why you are always changing your mind? The real reason we change our minds because the wisdom changes. Right, we learned about how the virus spreads. No one realized how much it's spread through saliva until yes, until recently, we never really understood how much it passed through aerosolized form, which means more like a hair spray not have been the salava drop. It's like it's like the virus gets into a plume of smoke in the room and bounces around the walls. Well, when you finally learn these things, you've got to change the advice you give, and that gets very frustrating for a public that's used to getting data and information shared only after it's gone through that process. Right, you're actually seeing the sausage made. Now, we're not giving you the foul hotdog. So how much with something like this, like you're saying you're trying to decipher all this information that hasn't been published, that hasn't been proven and isn't necessarily factual, how much of it, you know, is your personal opinion on things that you may person that you may just individually believe. It's like, Okay, I believe in this concept, so this is what I want to I want to share on the show to my viewers. Or are you trying, like how are you balancing that out? It is a provocative question because we try to base the advice on science, but scientists have opinions too, and we process information that we tend to agree with more than the information we tend not to agree with. So our natural biases slip out all the time. This is true in all science, and much of what we do in the doctor's office is try to interpret, through our filter, through our bias, what information is out there. You give the best advice and it doesn't work out. You try to make yourself better by learning a little bit more about the problem and asking colleagues. But in this fast moving world of media that we live in, you've got to do the juggling act of the processing information, recognizing you have a bias. We all do, and then try to be honest about that when you express it to the audience. But remember you don't go to a doctor's office for them and tell you the data. You go to the doctor's office for them to give you your their opinion about the data that so, do I have the do I have the gall letder out or not? You know, that's the there's data on both sides. But someone had to have to, you know, pull the trigger and say we're gonna do it in your case. And I'm sure someone just like you're a different part of the world with different doctor didn't have to go all better taken out who was right? You know, it's impossible to know in your case, but overall, only history would tell us there have been some some some seismic mistakes in in the management of the pandemic globally and in most countries. Um. And we're not going even know what those mistakes are for another year until we can really digest what happened. I'll give you an example. Did Sweden do the right thing or not by staying open when most of the world closed down? The trying to do the right thing by only closing wuhan but really really closing it, like locking the doors with you inside. I mean, you tell me there's no way you can actually with certainty know that. And doctors at each other's throats about this stuff because we're very passionate about our beliefs. Even though we look at the same data, we can interpret at different times. That stated the big arc the main ideas I think most doctors are agreeing on that if we could wear masks. And I was talking to the White House tesk Force just before you guys came on. By the way, you were wonderful on the show as your point out, but just before you came out, I was talking to the White House task force, And what they're basically saying is if you can wear a mask, which does work, by the way, and you also can avoid super spreader moments like mosh pit diving, right jumping on each other with no mask in a crowded, small, non ventilated room. Right, Well, anybody was sick will infect everybody else. You avoid those two things, you can dramatically change the natural history of this virus and it will behave more like the flow. That's what we want. You know. It's interesting. I feel like we need two dozen more doctor oz is to run news networks because at least with doctors and people in your profession, it seems like you guys are at least taking analytical data and then yeah, you have your opinion off of that, where I feel like politicians and news anchors just want to take their opinion because their personal beliefs and they don't base it on any kind of data. So we need a lot more you doctor os out there educating us on all things in life. Right now. Heck yeah, And well I'll say this too, because when you say you guys all have the same data, But I think where it confuses me is like, you know, obviously I follow you, I follow other doctors, but when I'm hearing two different things, like because I'm I had someone kind of in my ear about vaccinations and you know, with our kids, and we vaccinate our kids. But now I'm like, well, maybe we should stop vaccinating Jayce because he's a boy and he's got you know, I don't want to get autism. And then and then I'm like, oh my gosh, like what's in the flu shot? And so then I start reading it and then I'm like, I just want why can't I just get the straight facts and from why? Like the two polar different opinions really messes with me as a mom because I'm like, well, I don't know what I'm like, do I trust my doctor because aren't they getting paid to vaccinate the patients? And so I just like and then I start reading other things and I'm just like I don't know, Like I obviously want to do the right thing by us, like you know, getting the flu shot if we're that's what we're being told to do, and my kids and vaccinations, but it's like when you have the facts, I guess I just don't understand why they's so two different polar ideas and opinions. You know, I've thought a lot about this, and I've been in the middle of this, this war about vaccines my whole career, in part because I believe in vaccines. I vaccinated myself. I get the flu vaccine every year. So let me just expressed that as a bias. But I don't think we serve America's moms when we tell them they're stupid if they're doubting vaccine science, because no one wants to hear that. What the moms are America really saying is convince me you love my child as much as I do. Well, that's really hard to do. My mom's love is unique and special. So we have to respect when a mom says I'm nervous about my kid getting the vaccine I've heard about another child getting sick. Now I can say over and over again that the data doesn't seem to support autism links to vaccines. But it doesn't matter if I just yell that at you. I've often told pediatricians who really see their issue is they get crushed by mom's asking the same questions that you're asking every time they see a mom, and all they're saying is I got to get through my day. I just had this conversation twenty five times today. The twenty six times, I'm just going, psycho, here, can you just take the vaccine? Because I give it to myself, I give it to my kids. Why don't you just trust being taken? The mom's just saying, we'll just tell me one more time. So I told the American Pediatric the Academy. Academy Pediatric is great group, by the way. Uh, And I said, just to be you know, I hate my recommendation. Put a post rough in every pediatrician's office. Put them up everywhere, the top ten reasons not to get vaccinated. Put it up there, and then write down the reasons why women say that they should not get vaccinations for their families, and then answer debunked them, deal with them, respect the question, because people are smart. If they understand why you feel passionately that it's smart to get a vaccine, they'll come along. And if you can't convince them by taking those main reasons that they're listing that they don't want to get the vaccine, well they're not going to get the vaccine. Let them go. You know, we don't have had everybody vaccinated. We have to get almost everyone vaccinated, then you get hurt immunity. And yeah, some people get to get through without getting their kids vaccinated, but you know that they're taking that chances their lives. And when we take away that, that's that, that's that self destination. You actually create a civil war. And we don't want that because we all have the same daring goal. So if I don't disrespect you, make you feel like you're a fool for asking very reasonable questions, I'll be it's the Patris has answered it that day. I think we'll get many more people on board. Would saying you know what I get it. I appreciate you love my child a lot. Maybe not as much as me, but you love them a lot. I'm gonna go along with this. How is it you have four kids yourself, doctor oz so, and some grand children. So when your kids were growing up and then maybe they start to have families of their own, have they had any different medical opinions like for for this example, do you have any kids that maybe don't believe in vaccinations or go in an opposite direction and something that you professionally and personally believe in. Are you able to respect that or is it conflict with you because you want the best for your family and that your loved ones. Well, since we're talking about this podcast is about relationships, let's start with the boss. My wife big the biggest fights with her. Smart man. You grew up in a farm. Uh. They have very clear perspectives on on holistic medicine, you know, doing stuff on your own, doing it naturally if possible. My mother in law is a minister in their church, has feelings about this. My father in law is a world famous heart surgeon. So you've got signed the same thing scientists with. UH, someone who's got real on the ground wisdom for battling it out. And my wife and I have had this discussion continually. So I get the flu shot every year. She doesn't. Now, we did back We did vaccinate the children because I was I convinced her doing that what I just said I would do if I was a pediatrician that I could debunk these arguments well enough that the benefit of avoiding measles is worth the risk of her taking an MMR and UH munization for my children. And I do think that there's a role for alternative systems of vaccination, right, So you don't have to give hepatitis be vaccine at birth. There's a reason to do it in some communities, there's not a good reason to do it in other communities. So I see why there's a need to customize at times and elite. If pediatricians are willing to work with a mom our family and doing that, that makes sense. It doesn't have to be one size fits all. But you've got to talk about it. And if you scare people away, you insult people, you're not going to have a discussion. And I appreciate you saying that because you do know that, you know the moms that are just because you know, he Mike hears us and he's like, you know, whatever, whatever, why end up deciding I guess is kind of what we had talked about, and because you know, I have been really worried about it. But at the end of the day, it's like the doctor just have the conversation with me. I just want to know that, like, yeah, if we do give this Mr MMR shot, I shot, like he's not gonna get autism because I'm terrified of it, you know. And so I just appreciate you just saying that about like the moms and like loving my children. Do you think that schools or counties or district districts within kind of the educational realm should be able to because what school was it that that you had Your kid had to be vaccinated to go to a lot of public school like a lot of stuff. Do you think dr os and just in your opinion, you think that's okay and that should be allowed. If I was writing a school district, I would not recommend that because you just scare parents underground. You know, when the first vaccines were made, they were made for smallpox, which is a devastating illness. There's no debate about getting rid of small box. That's not like you know, momps. Small boxes you know, kills a lot of people and it scars you eachetera. So they figured out they could give you cop hos, right, little little scrapes things of a cow illness that's very benign, and they would give that the kids. And this is the first immunizations. This, this is two d. Parents would hide their children in the chimneys to avoid getting the vaccinated. So this is not a new phenomenon. Since the birth of vaccinations, even when they were pittently life saving, no fear of autism or anything else. Parents still were worried about actively giving their child a shot with the hope they would prevent another illness. Right, So I get it, I really do. And I think that when you take h a is the power of the state and you force people to get vaccinated, you have to examine scientific whether it's worth doing that. What percentage of kids need to be vaccinating in order to protect the community. Uh, it's not it's a lot. I'd be nice to be in the nineties somewhere, and I think there have been There have been outbreaks, which is really tragic, where communities wouldn't vaccinate. So it wasn't that this, you know, the city of Los Angeles wasn't vaccinating, but a small little community in northern California or wherever wouldn't vaccinate. And then you give an upbreak there. That's what you want to avoid, where everyone whole scale starts saying, you know what, we're not vaccinating and then nobody in the in the kids school has been vaccinated. Now you can get a bad problem, Yeah, for sure. And and let me just take back what I said to It's not just my decision. You basically said to me. Um, convince me said, it wasn't just my decision. I just want to because that's that's not I'm not the end of the y'all. It's just you said, Convince, convince, you would you take the Corona shot the COVID? I would, and I will. Really, that's exact same thing, because I I just talked to our doctor to day. I was like, would you take it? Because I'm just so curious? Interesting, but like why though, Well, I know what the risks are of the of the virus, and I also know that it will dramatically ease my life. Like you, I'm in media, right you you want to go back and perform, right, and I want to keep making my show and you guys will kind of come on, but I would have rather have you in person. And I'm so locked down now in the show for a bunch of reasons. I don't want to put my staff at risk. Um, it's a you know, it's a it's a studio, it's a closed environment by n by it's very nature. It's a bit riskier. No matter how many times I exchange the air in the room, which we, by the way, do seven times an hour, which is what I do in my o RS. It's still not the same as being outdoors or not being with other people. So if I get vaccinated, it will give my staff confidence as well to get vaccinated. I personally am confident that by the time we have a vaccine, after tens of thousands of people have successfully had it, not had major side effects and been protected, that it's safe enough for me. I'm a healthy person, not a lot of issues. I think I would tolerate even if I had a minor complication from it pretty well. And benefit is meaningful because I've seen what COVID I think can do. My hospital New York presterian got crushed this spring with people coming in there and many of them desperate, and when he died. So I prefer to avoid that personally, and I like to play a role in being part of the herd immunity to prevent others from getting it. And doctors have to go first. We have to mean doctors nurses will be the first ones to get the vaccine um, and so I'll have the opportunity to go first, and I will go first to set of example. But again, a third of Americans say they don't want the vaccine, and I respect them for that. I bet you that when people are actually getting it and they're seeing no one having major issues, assuming that's the case, kind of like, yeah, it's almost like the flu shot. Yeah, but you know what the flu shot. That's that half the population gets the flu shot of the year. Think about that, and it kills like people a year, doesn't It kill probably forty, but kills a lot of people a year, and mostly older but you know, mostly older people with other conditions, and it kills them because it causes a heart attack. It's that kind of stuff. So it's not like that, you know, twenty year olds dying from the flu. Usually it happens that it's not common. But the average view of person says, you know, I don't I don't know. Maybe I'll just skip it this year. But I would argue this might be a good year to get the flu shot, because yeah, you'd avoid the complication of you know, having symptoms that could be COVID nineteen versus the flu and the flu in vaccine. Just to be fair, it's not you' biquitous the effective, but it dramatically reduces the chance to be getting the flu. Why not take advantage of it? Who wants to lie there back for a week. My husband, thank you. Okay, thirty two years of being married? What is the what like? How have you guys managed to stay married for thirty two years? Because obviously you know we came on your show. We talked about our struggles and what we've been going through. So help help us. So what what can we do that can can get us thirty two years? Well, first of all, it's thirty five years. Oh sorry, thirty five feels it feels like thirty two. But don't you steveryone. I earned every one of those years. I'll tell you a lot of its mindset. But your question is uh is answerable in several ways. First off, marrying my wife, I really do believe is the best move I ever made in my life. And I say that for a bunch of reasons. I wouldn't be media if it wasn't for Lisa. She was. It was on her vision board for me to do this, not mine. She's the one who conspired with Oprah for me to do television because I had no interest in doing it, um and um. Over time, I've gotten to learn and respect her wisdom a lot, which is ultimately I think what helps marriages move that the the main reasons relationships fall apart is you stopped respecting each other. You become disdainful of each other. When I saw you both on the show with one thing and you actually answered it. You respected the strength of each other, but what you really respected was that you would fight for it. It It was worth fighting for. And when you realize that. We believe we have some just doozyism battles no matter what, but neither of us would ever quit. It's not in our DNA. And we always tell our kids this, you know, when they were young. And I'm not at your level of sports, but I played football in college and I you know, my my son Oliver plays college and we have a lot of you know, a lot of athletes. And the family always say oz Is do not quit. We're not necessarily talented, right, but we don't quit no matter what. There's the one thing we just don't tolerate that. And I remember I was talking to one of their cousins who quit at a stupid game, a board game we're playing, and they quit because they were not good at it. And I went after him and I said, that's the only thing I'll ever get mad at you, but you're on my team, messing up my team because if you're a bad play, I'd still rather lose with you then without you, because we don't quit. And that's the key, I think, the longevity, and maybe one of the little insight I realized early on this is about the biology of marriage. When you get married to someone because you fall in love with them, you have biologic handcuffs on. Something about that person turns on your pheromones. You're actually tosen surges. Don't mean through the roof that cuddly hormones there. You know you've got it all going, and that's designed for a reason to keep people in pair bonds. But it wears off after five to seven years, which ironically is when a lot of divorces start because the seven year rich. So when that seven years comes, you have you have a couple of choices, but the best choice, I think is to reinvent the relationship. Because here's the deal. The man marries the woman exactly like he wants her, and then she wants to change, which drives me crazy. I don't want you with different lips or different outfits, in different hair. I want you just that way. Leave your hair alone, right, and the woman marries the man she thinks he can become, and he didn't want to change because we think we'll find the way we are. So from the moment you're married, you're like two ships moving away from each other. You have got to reconnect every seven years meet the same person. So we maybe they said I've married thirty five years. As we clarified, that's basically I've been married to five different women. They all have the same Source Security number, but there are five women and they really are And I had to go relearn my wife, give her a chance to change and meet the new version of her, and she had to come and meet the new version of me. So we realized we were still in love and if we weren't, we had to figure it out. That's such a cool way to look at it, instead of feeling like you're stuck or in the same you know, emptiness that you may be in a in a relationship at that time, to to realize that you have to reinvent it, it doesn't have to be the same, and embrace that change in one another. That's awesome. I don't think we can end any better than that. Dr Oz dr Oz thank you so much, just for everything. I love you. I just I respect you, and um I look up to you obviously too with the relationship and who you are as a man. So thank you so much for coming on our show, and hopefully we'll be able to do this in person sometime soon. I look forward to many more interactions. God bless you both. Good Thank you. Dr Oh. I love him. Thank you, guys, thank you, thank you. He is the best. He's the best. I want him to be like uncle as like Grandpa's uncle. I adore him. He was awesome, He's I mean, he was so sweet, like he interviewed us. But I just I really do trust him. I do know it's crazy. I mean, you know me, I'm I'm a skeptic. I don't I'm not one to just he's not a psychic. But I'm saying you can be. You can be skeptical towards other things other than just psychics or mediums. I don't just jump at something when someone says this is what they're doing or you should do this is my point. I always kind of let me make it my own mine. But just saying what I felt inside when he's like talking about the COVID vaccine. He's like, I will and I do or whatever he said. He's like, I'm going to I was like me too, like that please do man like part of that my my body, my brain was telling me. It's like because I trust and respect him and what he does and how he how he presents himself. I was like, you know what, it is something to consider. I would love to have an anti vaxx a doctor. Come on, just because I do like to hear other sides of the I just want I just want to be I just want to have the knowledge to make our choice, you know, and have all the like I trust Dr Oz one thousand percent, but like you said, like I debunked, debunked the things that and tell me tell us you know, no, I think we should. I think it would be good for our listeners to hear both sides of things, because I think there is both sides. There's just like in our book, there's two sides to the story. And though in our therapist says like we like, you know, even the other night we had a disagreement, but it's how you perceived the situation is very different how I perceived it. You know, It's the same thing that happened, the same fact, but different you know, outcomes and how we how we perceived it. So it's just interesting. Um yeah, well again, I don't know if we can end any better than with Dr Oz and his advice there at the end. So reinvent yourself. You've been past seven years, reinvent your marriage. And even if it hasn't been seven years, even if you feel that there's a rut going on, even if it's been three years or ten year or whatever, reinvent yourself. I love it. Alright, byes, alright, byes, Bye guys, byes later