Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

Hello, Hi, maybe is not in today? What is she doing?

Hello, Hi, maybe is not in today? What is she doing?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Probably momming, momming, oh, momming. Man, it's just trying to figure out the rest of the year.

Probably momming, momming, oh, momming. Man, it's just trying to figure out the rest of the year.

It's almost Christmas. Way, when do you holiday shop?

It's almost Christmas. Way, when do you holiday shop?

I've kind of started a little bit. I'm a little disappointed in myself. Usually I'm done with your library and yeah, yeah, have you started? Nope, I have a list going. But it's it's one of those things too, where I feel like my kids are getting out of the toy stuff, so now I don't know really what to get them. Like Jay still likes toys. He loves Deadpool, even though he's never seen Deadpool, so I don't know how that one works. But I and then the thing now with legos. They love legos, but they don't actually put them together. They just want all the pieces. So I just have like big drawers of like all these Lego pieces and so and I'm just like, what do you guys want from Sanna? It gets hard.

I've kind of started a little bit. I'm a little disappointed in myself. Usually I'm done with your library and yeah, yeah, have you started? Nope, I have a list going. But it's it's one of those things too, where I feel like my kids are getting out of the toy stuff, so now I don't know really what to get them. Like Jay still likes toys. He loves Deadpool, even though he's never seen Deadpool, so I don't know how that one works. But I and then the thing now with legos. They love legos, but they don't actually put them together. They just want all the pieces. So I just have like big drawers of like all these Lego pieces and so and I'm just like, what do you guys want from Sanna? It gets hard.

It's like clothes and girls skincare and all the things. Yeah, I mean, Ramsey basically only still plays with like slime.

It's like clothes and girls skincare and all the things. Yeah, I mean, Ramsey basically only still plays with like slime.

Oh we've never had slime in the house, so, oh wow. I've actually tried to it. Yeah, but I always give in no. Yeah, yeah, no slime here. Uh well that's nice slime. Yeah, I uh. Jolie wants she does want a drum set? Oh wow, yeah? Have you had one? A drum set?

Oh we've never had slime in the house, so, oh wow. I've actually tried to it. Yeah, but I always give in no. Yeah, yeah, no slime here. Uh well that's nice slime. Yeah, I uh. Jolie wants she does want a drum set? Oh wow, yeah? Have you had one? A drum set?

Yeah?

Yeah?

For some reason, I was thinking y'all had one once upon a time.

For some reason, I was thinking y'all had one once upon a time.

Nope, no drum set. We'd like like one of those little babies, right right right, but yeah, yeah, that sounds awesome for nap time. Yeah. Well, we have like their little music room as their secret room. Now, okay, so they have these you know those things I used to play in school? What are those things? Flute?

Nope, no drum set. We'd like like one of those little babies, right right right, but yeah, yeah, that sounds awesome for nap time. Yeah. Well, we have like their little music room as their secret room. Now, okay, so they have these you know those things I used to play in school? What are those things? Flute?

Uh?

Uh?

That is only allowed in the secret room.

That is only allowed in the secret room.

That is probably the most annoying thing ever. Yeah, they have to do them in school. One of the years I can't even remember in the school, I think it is. I think so Emmy's already done it and Caden's already done it. Terrible, it's awful. Yep, like you're doing great.

That is probably the most annoying thing ever. Yeah, they have to do them in school. One of the years I can't even remember in the school, I think it is. I think so Emmy's already done it and Caden's already done it. Terrible, it's awful. Yep, like you're doing great.

Goat were two of them somehow. I don't know why you appeared in our house, but they're in. I've just now designated that because that was what they kept playing with, and I was like, all right, to the music room you go. You probably can't hear them in their house. No, I can't hear anything. Oh that's nice, that's drums are going for Christmas. But yeah, it's just the problem is is on when we were building. When I was building the house, the plans, that room looked so much bigger, and it is truly just a glorified closet. It is the size. It's a small closet. It is pretty small. So I'm just like cool. I don't know if you get like a fool, I mean idea.

Goat were two of them somehow. I don't know why you appeared in our house, but they're in. I've just now designated that because that was what they kept playing with, and I was like, all right, to the music room you go. You probably can't hear them in their house. No, I can't hear anything. Oh that's nice, that's drums are going for Christmas. But yeah, it's just the problem is is on when we were building. When I was building the house, the plans, that room looked so much bigger, and it is truly just a glorified closet. It is the size. It's a small closet. It is pretty small. So I'm just like cool. I don't know if you get like a fool, I mean idea.

I know.

I know.

I think we're gonna we have to get a truck. I guess we're going to get a truck for Christmas for my son. What I mean car, Well, he's turned sixteen in March. I want him to have it for a little while to drive it before he gets his license.

I think we're gonna we have to get a truck. I guess we're going to get a truck for Christmas for my son. What I mean car, Well, he's turned sixteen in March. I want him to have it for a little while to drive it before he gets his license.

So see the job. Yeah he seasonally he refs, Oh that's right, Yeah, it's funny. My ex was telling me a funny story the other day at soccer. He was saying how the ref is around Cayden's age and was like, hey, I had a rough night last night. Is anyway we can make the quarters eight minutes out of ten And he's like no, the ref asked that, yeah, this is like the sixteen year old roff. He's like, no, sorry about your long night. That's hilarious. I was like, yeah, no, kidd. Also, it's the best money. Well, this is it like thirty bucks an hour?

So see the job. Yeah he seasonally he refs, Oh that's right, Yeah, it's funny. My ex was telling me a funny story the other day at soccer. He was saying how the ref is around Cayden's age and was like, hey, I had a rough night last night. Is anyway we can make the quarters eight minutes out of ten And he's like no, the ref asked that, yeah, this is like the sixteen year old roff. He's like, no, sorry about your long night. That's hilarious. I was like, yeah, no, kidd. Also, it's the best money. Well, this is it like thirty bucks an hour?

It's thirty plus dollars an hour. Wow, it's amazing. I'm like, kay, and you will never have a job like this now sometimes he has to.

It's thirty plus dollars an hour. Wow, it's amazing. I'm like, kay, and you will never have a job like this now sometimes he has to.

Go an hour layer.

Go an hour layer.

Yeah, but I mean, like, gosh, and it's only seasonal, but I mean he has a good bit of money just from from refing. It's it's and he's great at it.

Yeah, but I mean, like, gosh, and it's only seasonal, but I mean he has a good bit of money just from from refing. It's it's and he's great at it.

What are your rules going to be with driving? I'm so stressed out about this. Actually, this is very time because there.

What are your rules going to be with driving? I'm so stressed out about this. Actually, this is very time because there.

Have been a number of teenage deaths lately in the area and one was a car accident, and just it's it's freaking me out.

Have been a number of teenage deaths lately in the area and one was a car accident, and just it's it's freaking me out.

It's really freaking me out. Do they say what that what happened in the accident?

It's really freaking me out. Do they say what that what happened in the accident?

I don't know exactly what caused it, but it was only one died in the In the actual car accident, it was a teenager driving.

I don't know exactly what caused it, but it was only one died in the In the actual car accident, it was a teenager driving.

It's just been a lot.

It's just been a lot.

But legally, when they turned sixteen, they are only allowed to have one other person in their car.

But legally, when they turned sixteen, they are only allowed to have one other person in their car.

But no one follows that rule. Yeah, no one. I mean I didn't follow it when I was sixteen. We didn't have it. Well, we didn't have it. But even so the car, my Alero, my little Redillero, is super cute. It fit five people, you know, including me, my mom's like only you know, the two friends. I mean, I piled in seven girls in my lero. Yeah, we were leaving.

But no one follows that rule. Yeah, no one. I mean I didn't follow it when I was sixteen. We didn't have it. Well, we didn't have it. But even so the car, my Alero, my little Redillero, is super cute. It fit five people, you know, including me, my mom's like only you know, the two friends. I mean, I piled in seven girls in my lero. Yeah, we were leaving.

I picked them up the other day because our high school volleyball girls one state, so they let the kids leave to go watch them in these tournaments. And so I picked him and like five other boys up and when we were leaving, I mean, the amount of kids piled in these cars leaving and that is actually how they got into this car accident at another school they were going to this and so I've just had a lot of conversations with them. I mean, our main rule is if he is going to a party, he is not a drinker. But if he is going to a party, he will not be driving. He will not be riding with teenagers. Like is it ubering or is it, I'll be picking him up, so I don't care if I have to. Now that might change in a couple of years, I don't know. We'll see how. But as of now, it's like, I don't care if I have to park down the street and I have to hide and you have to tell him that another teenager's picking you up, Like right, that is just my So like for homecoming, you know, I was going to let it.

I picked them up the other day because our high school volleyball girls one state, so they let the kids leave to go watch them in these tournaments. And so I picked him and like five other boys up and when we were leaving, I mean, the amount of kids piled in these cars leaving and that is actually how they got into this car accident at another school they were going to this and so I've just had a lot of conversations with them. I mean, our main rule is if he is going to a party, he is not a drinker. But if he is going to a party, he will not be driving. He will not be riding with teenagers. Like is it ubering or is it, I'll be picking him up, so I don't care if I have to. Now that might change in a couple of years, I don't know. We'll see how. But as of now, it's like, I don't care if I have to park down the street and I have to hide and you have to tell him that another teenager's picking you up, Like right, that is just my So like for homecoming, you know, I was going to let it.

Too comings By the way, I was really confused because it was his girlfriend goes to a different school, got it, So yeah, so I was like I thought they had had homecoming.

Too comings By the way, I was really confused because it was his girlfriend goes to a different school, got it, So yeah, so I was like I thought they had had homecoming.

Yeah, But long story short, I was going to let the kid pick him up and take him to the pictures and all that.

Yeah, But long story short, I was going to let the kid pick him up and take him to the pictures and all that.

I said.

I said.

But once we get to this point in the night, he might be a great kid. He may never touch alcohol. I don't know, but I'll be picking you up from this point on. So I just have different situational rules. There's no set he has to tell me specifically or ask me specifically about a certain kid. And we're just getting into it.

But once we get to this point in the night, he might be a great kid. He may never touch alcohol. I don't know, but I'll be picking you up from this point on. So I just have different situational rules. There's no set he has to tell me specifically or ask me specifically about a certain kid. And we're just getting into it.

Really, do you think he'll be honest with now because he's a great kid. Yeah, but like, do you think like what happens if he's not honest, are their consequences and then do you think they'll be because I mean you see his phone, so technically like you be able to like know if he's texting other people and being like, hey, you.

Really, do you think he'll be honest with now because he's a great kid. Yeah, but like, do you think like what happens if he's not honest, are their consequences and then do you think they'll be because I mean you see his phone, so technically like you be able to like know if he's texting other people and being like, hey, you.

Know, yeah, well we'll have don't I don't get on his phone? Oh yeah really No, I did have the software on his but I don't. I don't get on his phone anymore. I let him have that privacy. But we're on Life three sixty and I will pay for the Life three sixty where you can see when they get on their phone and all of that.

Know, yeah, well we'll have don't I don't get on his phone? Oh yeah really No, I did have the software on his but I don't. I don't get on his phone anymore. I let him have that privacy. But we're on Life three sixty and I will pay for the Life three sixty where you can see when they get on their phone and all of that.

You can tell when they get on their phone if you pay for it, not the free version, but yeah, you can see how many times they you pick up your phone when you're driving? Really, and what's that? Is there? Hard crash all the things? Is there no phone usage when driving?

You can tell when they get on their phone if you pay for it, not the free version, but yeah, you can see how many times they you pick up your phone when you're driving? Really, and what's that? Is there? Hard crash all the things? Is there no phone usage when driving?

No?

No?

And so hard?

And so hard?

Because I've got to admit sometimes I'm I do pick up my phone when I'm driving.

Because I've got to admit sometimes I'm I do pick up my phone when I'm driving.

I'm like, oh, I've got to be a better example.

I'm like, oh, I've got to be a better example.

But no, he'll have to check his phone and then turn it off and then check it when he gets you know, when he gets back. Yeah, I mean we've got to get into life.

But no, he'll have to check his phone and then turn it off and then check it when he gets you know, when he gets back. Yeah, I mean we've got to get into life.

What are you most nervous about when it comes to him driving?

What are you most nervous about when it comes to him driving?

I mean, obviously just a car accident.

I mean, obviously just a car accident.

But but is it is it him? Is it the other people? Is it.

But but is it is it him? Is it the other people? Is it.

Definitely other people? I mean he hasn't driven. I'm not comfortable enough. Like I couldn't give him a license right now, so.

Definitely other people? I mean he hasn't driven. I'm not comfortable enough. Like I couldn't give him a license right now, so.

He hasn't driven, so he is isn't driven enough?

He hasn't driven, so he is isn't driven enough?

Yeah, yeah, he's a pretty good driver, but he has only been on the interstate one time. We have huge cars, so it's like also like he's learning in these bigs. I just need him to get what he's going to be driving and really get on that. But I worry more about him writing with other people than.

Yeah, yeah, he's a pretty good driver, but he has only been on the interstate one time. We have huge cars, so it's like also like he's learning in these bigs. I just need him to get what he's going to be driving and really get on that. But I worry more about him writing with other people than.

I do him driving. So that's what I was going to say, Is I would I still it's my It's my lack of trust of other people. Yeah, as because I'm like I think Kayden was going to be very responsible, but you don't know really the other I mean even though you know the front right, but like I also don't know how Harlow's going to drive. Yeah, when you know the girls off Highland and razy or whatever like.

I do him driving. So that's what I was going to say, Is I would I still it's my It's my lack of trust of other people. Yeah, as because I'm like I think Kayden was going to be very responsible, but you don't know really the other I mean even though you know the front right, but like I also don't know how Harlow's going to drive. Yeah, when you know the girls off Highland and razy or whatever like.

And I think the element of that too is distraction. And I gave him a very good example the other day when I was driving and I had him and his friends in my car and they were all having a different conversation, and then he was asking me something and I'm trying to figure out where I'm going, and I was like, Kayden, this is why I'm like, I can multitask so well, and y'all, I'm so overwhelmed by the conversations that are going on.

And I think the element of that too is distraction. And I gave him a very good example the other day when I was driving and I had him and his friends in my car and they were all having a different conversation, and then he was asking me something and I'm trying to figure out where I'm going, and I was like, Kayden, this is why I'm like, I can multitask so well, and y'all, I'm so overwhelmed by the conversations that are going on.

It's so distracting. That's what worries me.

It's so distracting. That's what worries me.

Yeah, because it's not like an intentional thing, but when you get them all together and they start talking and they're asking questions and they're talking to the driver, it's distracting and it's scary.

Yeah, because it's not like an intentional thing, but when you get them all together and they start talking and they're asking questions and they're talking to the driver, it's distracting and it's scary.

Well, that's to your point when you say, like you're on the phone. That's one of my big things that I really need to work on when I'm with the kids on my phone. Yeah, but yet who cares about me Like I am on my phone. It's not good. But like you know, when I drive, and I need to get better at that. But a perfect example I was telling Alan, I said, it was one of those really your heart just like jumps out of your chest because if I was on my phone, there's no way I wouldn't have had had an collision because the other guy was on his phone yeah, and it was on McEwan Yeah, and I had to know where to worve like to the right where that one opening was, like that driveway or I would have been screwed, yeah, because he was coming right at me. Yeah. And it was like one of those moments where I was like, if I was down on my phone, I wouldn't have swerved. Yeah.

Well, that's to your point when you say, like you're on the phone. That's one of my big things that I really need to work on when I'm with the kids on my phone. Yeah, but yet who cares about me Like I am on my phone. It's not good. But like you know, when I drive, and I need to get better at that. But a perfect example I was telling Alan, I said, it was one of those really your heart just like jumps out of your chest because if I was on my phone, there's no way I wouldn't have had had an collision because the other guy was on his phone yeah, and it was on McEwan Yeah, and I had to know where to worve like to the right where that one opening was, like that driveway or I would have been screwed, yeah, because he was coming right at me. Yeah. And it was like one of those moments where I was like, if I was down on my phone, I wouldn't have swerved. Yeah.

And we have a lot of roads like that around here, a lot of shoulder two lane roads, and that scares me also. So I'll probably have some rules with again at night, Like when Emmy starts driving, I won't let her drive to practice for a couple of years because it's an hour away. Yeah, So there will just be certain things.

And we have a lot of roads like that around here, a lot of shoulder two lane roads, and that scares me also. So I'll probably have some rules with again at night, Like when Emmy starts driving, I won't let her drive to practice for a couple of years because it's an hour away. Yeah, So there will just be certain things.

What's your rule on ubers for kids? Well, I don't think they technically can sign up? No, no, I'm sorry to get in an uber.

What's your rule on ubers for kids? Well, I don't think they technically can sign up? No, no, I'm sorry to get in an uber.

Well, well, tech nically without an adult, they're not supposed to hear. Different cities you can get a minor. I've looked this up. In different cities you can get an uber for a minor. I don't think in Nashville that you can. I looked it up in another city because I was going to send kat In an Uber and I couldn't do it there. Now are they checking? I don't know, but that would be my thing. I would give them an Uber account, you know, just in case he didn't feel comfortable calling me that night or you know whatever. I mean. I feel like he will, but I don't know. I don't know if we'll be able to do it. He did get an ubers in Florida. He got an uber in Florida a bunch of teenagers, so I didn't care there, So I think it just a pair.

Well, well, tech nically without an adult, they're not supposed to hear. Different cities you can get a minor. I've looked this up. In different cities you can get an uber for a minor. I don't think in Nashville that you can. I looked it up in another city because I was going to send kat In an Uber and I couldn't do it there. Now are they checking? I don't know, but that would be my thing. I would give them an Uber account, you know, just in case he didn't feel comfortable calling me that night or you know whatever. I mean. I feel like he will, but I don't know. I don't know if we'll be able to do it. He did get an ubers in Florida. He got an uber in Florida a bunch of teenagers, so I didn't care there, So I think it just a pair.

Yeah. I'll be definitely leaning on you for all the things.

Yeah. I'll be definitely leaning on you for all the things.

Oh, I mean, it's terrifying. I watch Life three sixty constantly. You know.

Oh, I mean, it's terrifying. I watch Life three sixty constantly. You know.

He'll be fine anyway. Well, and when is that? When are we looking forward to that? Well? He turned sixteen in March. Okay, yeah, but the car would be Christmas, I'm hoping.

He'll be fine anyway. Well, and when is that? When are we looking forward to that? Well? He turned sixteen in March. Okay, yeah, but the car would be Christmas, I'm hoping.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, that's cute. Was present? Is it something he wants? He's got to pick it out. We haven't picked it out yet. Cute? Yeah, que cute? That only Christmas?

Well, that's cute. Was present? Is it something he wants? He's got to pick it out. We haven't picked it out yet. Cute? Yeah, que cute? That only Christmas?

Dan?

Dan?

Well, I don't know why I relate like Christmas time thanksgiving to my lions, but I really do, because I just always think of the Lions. And we've got Kelly Stafford coming on today's show, and she is not only the wife of Matthew Stafford, who was a former obviously Lions player, but she has a new podcast out, and so let's take a break and then get her own.

Well, I don't know why I relate like Christmas time thanksgiving to my lions, but I really do, because I just always think of the Lions. And we've got Kelly Stafford coming on today's show, and she is not only the wife of Matthew Stafford, who was a former obviously Lions player, but she has a new podcast out, and so let's take a break and then get her own.

Hi. How are you good? How are you?

Hi. How are you good? How are you?

Got nice to officially meet in like in person?

Got nice to officially meet in like in person?

Yeah, yeah, I feel like we've met a bunch before, but I guess we've never actually.

Yeah, yeah, I feel like we've met a bunch before, but I guess we've never actually.

Met, you know, and like Instagram world, that's one of those things where it's like you feel like, you know, like I feel like I know so many people and then actually I'm like, oh, we've actually you Actually we've never really met. We've DMed and stuff, but like we're not HI.

Met, you know, and like Instagram world, that's one of those things where it's like you feel like, you know, like I feel like I know so many people and then actually I'm like, oh, we've actually you Actually we've never really met. We've DMed and stuff, but like we're not HI.

I totally get it. We're Instagram friends, which makes sense. Yeah, it's it's yeah, one of those things.

I totally get it. We're Instagram friends, which makes sense. Yeah, it's it's yeah, one of those things.

But I I have so many questions, But I think I want to is there anywhere you want to start? Because for me, we were just we're, you know, both in our forties. Out are you now, Kelly?

But I I have so many questions, But I think I want to is there anywhere you want to start? Because for me, we were just we're, you know, both in our forties. Out are you now, Kelly?

I'm thirty five. I would love to start with your arms, my goodness, arms above your head and they're fantastic.

I'm thirty five. I would love to start with your arms, my goodness, arms above your head and they're fantastic.

Let's start there. Wow, But then you don't see the lower part of this. I've got this big old pillow, pillow because I'm trying to work on I pulled my back out. You know, forty and having a third kid is just super fun, and so I'm like trying to work on my lumbar support with my fellow.

Let's start there. Wow, But then you don't see the lower part of this. I've got this big old pillow, pillow because I'm trying to work on I pulled my back out. You know, forty and having a third kid is just super fun, and so I'm like trying to work on my lumbar support with my fellow.

Oh goodness, well you are straight?

Oh goodness, well you are straight?

Well, thank you?

Well, thank you?

You look amazing? Are you? You are you? Like? Where are we at with the third one?

You look amazing? Are you? You are you? Like? Where are we at with the third one?

Where we are?

Where we are?

You know?

You know?

It's actually really sad and I don't know why. I'm kind of like emo today. But where I have that, I have the want for another one, but my body will not allow me to have another one. There's no way. My mind, my body, my insides would be like yeah, girl, go for it. Like it's everything is saying you are too No. I don't even say too old, because I have plenty of people that I know are great that have kids in their you know loose shoot look at out forty four?

It's actually really sad and I don't know why. I'm kind of like emo today. But where I have that, I have the want for another one, but my body will not allow me to have another one. There's no way. My mind, my body, my insides would be like yeah, girl, go for it. Like it's everything is saying you are too No. I don't even say too old, because I have plenty of people that I know are great that have kids in their you know loose shoot look at out forty four?

Hello, Yeah, go girl? You know what I mean?

Hello, Yeah, go girl? You know what I mean?

Emma, you know Willis, she had a baby in her mid forties. I just, for some reason, I feel like my body's just like slowly shutting down and she's like, I'm so tired all the time.

Emma, you know Willis, she had a baby in her mid forties. I just, for some reason, I feel like my body's just like slowly shutting down and she's like, I'm so tired all the time.

How old are your kids now?

How old are your kids now?

So I have almost nine, almost six, and then Roman will be one November thirteenth, so it.

So I have almost nine, almost six, and then Roman will be one November thirteenth, so it.

Would be your fourth, not thirty. It would be your fourth if you went for another one. But you have a okay, the one year old got it. Yeah, that in itself, I feel like it's tough. I mean, you got three kids and one year old one year old. I feel like one to the three is like the hardest ages.

Would be your fourth, not thirty. It would be your fourth if you went for another one. But you have a okay, the one year old got it. Yeah, that in itself, I feel like it's tough. I mean, you got three kids and one year old one year old. I feel like one to the three is like the hardest ages.

See I love I agree that you're too busy making sure they don't kill themselves.

See I love I agree that you're too busy making sure they don't kill themselves.

Yeah, oh my gosh. By the way, the other day Roman, there we have like rocks on our little pathway. I turn around for literally one second and he has a rock in his mouth. And it was one of those moments where I was like I did this, you know, because it's like it's a two seconds, it's hard. I turn around. I'm like, he's got a whole rock in his mouth.

Yeah, oh my gosh. By the way, the other day Roman, there we have like rocks on our little pathway. I turn around for literally one second and he has a rock in his mouth. And it was one of those moments where I was like I did this, you know, because it's like it's a two seconds, it's hard. I turn around. I'm like, he's got a whole rock in his mouth.

I'm like, well, I also feel like when you because you said your second one is how old six six, I feel like you've had five years. So sometimes like when your new moms, you're so on top, very thing. And then when you have some time and also by your third one, I feel like you're like, ah, they'll survive, like that probably poop it through, you know.

I'm like, well, I also feel like when you because you said your second one is how old six six, I feel like you've had five years. So sometimes like when your new moms, you're so on top, very thing. And then when you have some time and also by your third one, I feel like you're like, ah, they'll survive, like that probably poop it through, you know.

Okay, it's okay, so true because you guys have four the twins and then yes, and then two more.

Okay, it's okay, so true because you guys have four the twins and then yes, and then two more.

Mine were knocked out pretty quick, which I which was a really honestly really hard at the beginning. It was a lot of babies and a lot of throw up and a lot of crap, and honestly, like after we had the twins, we I remember looking at Matthew going what did we do? Like this is really hard. And then a month later I found out I was pregnant with my third and I couldn't even tell them because it was just one of those moments in life where you are just really trying to survive and you're struggling to survive, and that goes for like I mean, as an individual, as a married couple, as a fan, like in all entities, were just trying to survive, so that it was really hard at the beginning. But now that they're they're four, six and two seven year olds, and I have all girls. They're so good at playing with each other and entertain each other, entertain each other. So now I'm like, this is great. Now. I have a feeling in four to six years I'm gonna be like this is hell again when they're all in high school together and Caddie and probably don't like mom and love dad, you know those scenarios. But yes, four kids, and I'm treasuring these times right now because it's really nice. Right now.

Mine were knocked out pretty quick, which I which was a really honestly really hard at the beginning. It was a lot of babies and a lot of throw up and a lot of crap, and honestly, like after we had the twins, we I remember looking at Matthew going what did we do? Like this is really hard. And then a month later I found out I was pregnant with my third and I couldn't even tell them because it was just one of those moments in life where you are just really trying to survive and you're struggling to survive, and that goes for like I mean, as an individual, as a married couple, as a fan, like in all entities, were just trying to survive, so that it was really hard at the beginning. But now that they're they're four, six and two seven year olds, and I have all girls. They're so good at playing with each other and entertain each other, entertain each other. So now I'm like, this is great. Now. I have a feeling in four to six years I'm gonna be like this is hell again when they're all in high school together and Caddie and probably don't like mom and love dad, you know those scenarios. But yes, four kids, and I'm treasuring these times right now because it's really nice. Right now.

Did you do IVF? I did, for thought the things that you and Matthew were doing with you you're granting it? Was it IVF for yes?

Did you do IVF? I did, for thought the things that you and Matthew were doing with you you're granting it? Was it IVF for yes?

Yeah, so we I'm actually a part of Chosen Fertility, which is based out of Michigan, and it is basically getting grants for people who can't afford to go because we all know that IVF is very expensive. Yeah, and it's hard enough going through it. I went through it, and I didn't have the financial burdens. I could not imagine having that on top of everything. And also if you can't do it, like if you can't afford it and you have that dream of a family, I just feel like that would be so hard. So I'm so happy to be a part of that. But yeah, we're doing that. We went through IVF for our first two. They gave us a really low personage chance, and I kind of knew that going into it when we were trying. Was it on your side or was it it was on my side? It was you know, there's always things that they find when they're looking, but it was it was mostly me and there was nothing they could really fix. You know, sometimes they can fix things and make it easier, but they're in my case, it just wasn't an option. So we did we uh, we tried for a while. Didn't work, did IVF, which I'm so grateful we have. I mean, it's such a blessing. But after that, you know, I had my twins and we did put two in. So the twins weren't like a surprise. Just the way it happened was surprising. We put two in at the recommendation of my doctor because of what is going on in my system. He was like, it just gives you a better chance. One took, and I always say the one that didn't take was my boy. He was like, I'm out of here. I know it's about to happen. I'm not gonna be feeling a boy in the house. And the one took and then it split, so that's what made the identical twins, which was awesome. And then after that, I felt like my body just kind of kicked into gear knowing how to do it because I got pregnant very quickly and surprisingly after that. And I'm so grateful, but it was a very big surprise.

Yeah, so we I'm actually a part of Chosen Fertility, which is based out of Michigan, and it is basically getting grants for people who can't afford to go because we all know that IVF is very expensive. Yeah, and it's hard enough going through it. I went through it, and I didn't have the financial burdens. I could not imagine having that on top of everything. And also if you can't do it, like if you can't afford it and you have that dream of a family, I just feel like that would be so hard. So I'm so happy to be a part of that. But yeah, we're doing that. We went through IVF for our first two. They gave us a really low personage chance, and I kind of knew that going into it when we were trying. Was it on your side or was it it was on my side? It was you know, there's always things that they find when they're looking, but it was it was mostly me and there was nothing they could really fix. You know, sometimes they can fix things and make it easier, but they're in my case, it just wasn't an option. So we did we uh, we tried for a while. Didn't work, did IVF, which I'm so grateful we have. I mean, it's such a blessing. But after that, you know, I had my twins and we did put two in. So the twins weren't like a surprise. Just the way it happened was surprising. We put two in at the recommendation of my doctor because of what is going on in my system. He was like, it just gives you a better chance. One took, and I always say the one that didn't take was my boy. He was like, I'm out of here. I know it's about to happen. I'm not gonna be feeling a boy in the house. And the one took and then it split, so that's what made the identical twins, which was awesome. And then after that, I felt like my body just kind of kicked into gear knowing how to do it because I got pregnant very quickly and surprisingly after that. And I'm so grateful, but it was a very big surprise.

Did you was there any I mean, you have the had the four, but was there any piece of you that were like, all right, let me just try for that fifth to get a boy, or was me were just yeah.

Did you was there any I mean, you have the had the four, but was there any piece of you that were like, all right, let me just try for that fifth to get a boy, or was me were just yeah.

That was the fourth that was our try for a boy. We didn't find out until she came out. But I always say because I thought I was gonna be a mom of all boys. I was a very big tom boy growing up. I thought it'd be a great boy mom. Turns out God knows better. Matthew never wanted a boy because of just he just didn't want his kid to feel pressured in any type of way or fashion, and honestly, looking at it, I probably would be the one to pressure him the most. So I think God knew, like, hey, I'm just going to give you all girls. There's no pressure there. Let them be what they want to be. Type of thing.

That was the fourth that was our try for a boy. We didn't find out until she came out. But I always say because I thought I was gonna be a mom of all boys. I was a very big tom boy growing up. I thought it'd be a great boy mom. Turns out God knows better. Matthew never wanted a boy because of just he just didn't want his kid to feel pressured in any type of way or fashion, and honestly, looking at it, I probably would be the one to pressure him the most. So I think God knew, like, hey, I'm just going to give you all girls. There's no pressure there. Let them be what they want to be. Type of thing.

That's so interesting.

That's so interesting.

Yeah, So it is, and it's fun.

Yeah, So it is, and it's fun.

I mean, again, I never thought i'd be a girl mom, but I'm enjoying it very much. So do you enjoy the girl or the boy aspect? Because she's got two girls and a boy.

I mean, again, I never thought i'd be a girl mom, but I'm enjoying it very much. So do you enjoy the girl or the boy aspect? Because she's got two girls and a boy.

Well, I always thought I would have all boys too, not necessarily because I was a tomboy. I just I just knew I would be a boy mom. Yeah, and I the boy is easier, I have to say, but I mean he's he's fifteen. And then I got the twelve year old girl and just the emotions of an eight year old girl.

Well, I always thought I would have all boys too, not necessarily because I was a tomboy. I just I just knew I would be a boy mom. Yeah, and I the boy is easier, I have to say, but I mean he's he's fifteen. And then I got the twelve year old girl and just the emotions of an eight year old girl.

But the emotions and middle school.

But the emotions and middle school.

That's why I was like, oh, it's probably you'll be great for you.

That's why I was like, oh, it's probably you'll be great for you.

I'm not saying it won't, but that many girls.

I'm not saying it won't, but that many girls.

I don't that it just gets And I'm super close to my twelve year old I'm girl. I mean we're like super super close. I make sure that we have a really good, real lif relationship. But it's just the emotions of the girls.

I don't that it just gets And I'm super close to my twelve year old I'm girl. I mean we're like super super close. I make sure that we have a really good, real lif relationship. But it's just the emotions of the girls.

Are I feel like, when done right though, the relationship with a mom and a daughter when they're older is such a beautiful thing. Yeah, when done right.

Are I feel like, when done right though, the relationship with a mom and a daughter when they're older is such a beautiful thing. Yeah, when done right.

Yeah, And that's the thing. I didn't have a great relationship with my mom. And so it's like this like struggle because it's the constant wanting to.

Yeah, And that's the thing. I didn't have a great relationship with my mom. And so it's like this like struggle because it's the constant wanting to.

Do it right.

Do it right.

Yes, but then if I feel like I get it wrong, then I put so much pressure on myself.

Yes, but then if I feel like I get it wrong, then I put so much pressure on myself.

Literally just happened.

Literally just happened.

I didn't do this right, and now we're we're gonna have a terrible relationship when she's older.

I didn't do this right, and now we're we're gonna have a terrible relationship when she's older.

You know, I literally think that all the time. Yeah, I got our Jolie again with the hair brushing, and I'm like, I literally told you every morning, and then because she was like then late for school and it's this whole thing. And then when she got on the bus, I was like, oh my god, she's gonna like she's gonna hit me because I'm getting on in her her brushing her hair, and it was it's just like this whole thing. Yeah, like it, Yeah, it's always there. Being a Parent's so fun.

You know, I literally think that all the time. Yeah, I got our Jolie again with the hair brushing, and I'm like, I literally told you every morning, and then because she was like then late for school and it's this whole thing. And then when she got on the bus, I was like, oh my god, she's gonna like she's gonna hit me because I'm getting on in her her brushing her hair, and it was it's just like this whole thing. Yeah, like it, Yeah, it's always there. Being a Parent's so fun.

Being a parent, and I feel like it's so hard, and I honestly feel like a lot of the pressure comes from what we're seeing on the outside. We see everyone's world and how good they are at parenting, and automatically we're like, oh, we should do that, and we try and it doesn't go that way, and all of a sudden, we feel like failures. It's something that I very much struggle with. I mean, I was like, you, guys, my kids had a MAT test this morning. One's actually sick. I feel like I'm getting sick. So that's fun. But when I had a MATT test this morning, and you know how, you're like, all right, two plus two equals four, you know, and then you're like, all right, so if you add one to that, what is equal? And they're like nineteen, You're like, what the heck? Like, how did you get there? Well, I'm frustrated, flustered, we're walking out the door. Therefore, she has zero confidence going into this test, right cause I'm like, okay, you know what, let's just go. We're done. You'll be fine. Zero confidence. I left school, dropped them, turned back around, parked, walked in and grabbed her and was like, I'm so sorry. I had a very stress warning you were going to do great. All you need is to know that you can do it. But there's those moments as parents where you just lose it and it's gonna happen a lot. I keep telling myself. I was like, I can try not to lose it, but that's actually not that's not going to happen for me. Like I am a very reactional person, which is horrible it comes to parenting, but something I'm working on, but I'm still going to fail. So I just feel like, as long as you can also show your kids that you can apologize and be like, you know what I messed up to something I'm trying to figure out.

Being a parent, and I feel like it's so hard, and I honestly feel like a lot of the pressure comes from what we're seeing on the outside. We see everyone's world and how good they are at parenting, and automatically we're like, oh, we should do that, and we try and it doesn't go that way, and all of a sudden, we feel like failures. It's something that I very much struggle with. I mean, I was like, you, guys, my kids had a MAT test this morning. One's actually sick. I feel like I'm getting sick. So that's fun. But when I had a MATT test this morning, and you know how, you're like, all right, two plus two equals four, you know, and then you're like, all right, so if you add one to that, what is equal? And they're like nineteen, You're like, what the heck? Like, how did you get there? Well, I'm frustrated, flustered, we're walking out the door. Therefore, she has zero confidence going into this test, right cause I'm like, okay, you know what, let's just go. We're done. You'll be fine. Zero confidence. I left school, dropped them, turned back around, parked, walked in and grabbed her and was like, I'm so sorry. I had a very stress warning you were going to do great. All you need is to know that you can do it. But there's those moments as parents where you just lose it and it's gonna happen a lot. I keep telling myself. I was like, I can try not to lose it, but that's actually not that's not going to happen for me. Like I am a very reactional person, which is horrible it comes to parenting, but something I'm working on, but I'm still going to fail. So I just feel like, as long as you can also show your kids that you can apologize and be like, you know what I messed up to something I'm trying to figure out.

No, for sure, I know that's not gonna say because when when she got home, I was like, Hejulie, I just want to say I'm sorry.

No, for sure, I know that's not gonna say because when when she got home, I was like, Hejulie, I just want to say I'm sorry.

She was it's okay.

She was it's okay.

I go, wait, wait, do you know why I'm apologizing? Oh my god? I was like she didn't even like. I was like, she didn't even know why I was. I was like, let me explain to you why I'm apologizing before you say it's okay. You know, it's a constant in our house. It's a constant, but so true though with you what you're saying. But I feel like even with so Jolie, the same thing, Like when she was learning her site words you knew, She's like would say, it's like, let's say it's the the you know, and she would be like, and we go back to it, and she'd be like h and I'm like no, like the you know, and then I would get like you said, a little frustrated. But now when Jas is doing it, I'm like, they don't know, you know, so I'm like I need to just be patient. So I'm like he's getting a little bit more of the patient side. And they probably with Roman, i'd be like, yeah, but that's that's a yeah.

I go, wait, wait, do you know why I'm apologizing? Oh my god? I was like she didn't even like. I was like, she didn't even know why I was. I was like, let me explain to you why I'm apologizing before you say it's okay. You know, it's a constant in our house. It's a constant, but so true though with you what you're saying. But I feel like even with so Jolie, the same thing, Like when she was learning her site words you knew, She's like would say, it's like, let's say it's the the you know, and she would be like, and we go back to it, and she'd be like h and I'm like no, like the you know, and then I would get like you said, a little frustrated. But now when Jas is doing it, I'm like, they don't know, you know, so I'm like I need to just be patient. So I'm like he's getting a little bit more of the patient side. And they probably with Roman, i'd be like, yeah, but that's that's a yeah.

Oh yeah, that poor first kid. I'm still every day on him with his I'm like, you were in high school. And then then the eighte year old, I'm like, that's fine, you can pay it.

Oh yeah, that poor first kid. I'm still every day on him with his I'm like, you were in high school. And then then the eighte year old, I'm like, that's fine, you can pay it.

It doesn't matter, you know what. This is what I always say. We're gonna succeed in what we succeeded. If we're not a math genius, we're not going to be a mat genius does no matter how hard we try. So maybe we figure it out early and then we really go towards the things we're good at. I mean, in this I feel like in this world, they're all calculated as anyways, I'm going listen.

It doesn't matter, you know what. This is what I always say. We're gonna succeed in what we succeeded. If we're not a math genius, we're not going to be a mat genius does no matter how hard we try. So maybe we figure it out early and then we really go towards the things we're good at. I mean, in this I feel like in this world, they're all calculated as anyways, I'm going listen.

Oh you're not going to well, my twelve year old she can't spell, Like I hate to call her out, but it gets a thing. She cannot spell, and I think it's because she had a phone early she would talk into it, and so she would and so so literally I was like, are your teachers, I mean, she's in seventh grade. I'm like, are your teachers not worried that you legitimately still cannot spell? Because now, actually, a teacher the other day was like, it's okay, but a lot of people can't spell. You don't really need to know how to spell anymore.

Oh you're not going to well, my twelve year old she can't spell, Like I hate to call her out, but it gets a thing. She cannot spell, and I think it's because she had a phone early she would talk into it, and so she would and so so literally I was like, are your teachers, I mean, she's in seventh grade. I'm like, are your teachers not worried that you legitimately still cannot spell? Because now, actually, a teacher the other day was like, it's okay, but a lot of people can't spell. You don't really need to know how to spell anymore.

Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh.

I was like, well, you know what, I love it. I love a teacher that leans into that, because most teachers be like, oh no, we need to send you to a you know, have you start learning those teachers I have, but I.

I was like, well, you know what, I love it. I love a teacher that leans into that, because most teachers be like, oh no, we need to send you to a you know, have you start learning those teachers I have, but I.

Think it's it's like the calculator and then everything is spell checked.

Think it's it's like the calculator and then everything is spell checked.

Now they sure do, but I'm true, Okay, I guess we'll just roll with this. So switching leaning No, it's true though, leaning into the older we get. I've been h after Roman too. I'm like, oh my, there's been so many symptoms that have kind of come up, and I've been checking into certain things. I just got a in, you know, a full body scan, and when I was kind of looking into your brain tumor diagnosis, you were saying that you felt lightheaded and dizzy before did you start to go like down the doctor google rabbit hole, or were you like, no, I know something's wrong, and like what was kind of like what kind of person are you? In that instance, because I go to like, oh my god, I have MS and I'm dying, or like you know, or like I have this cancer or yeah, and I just needed glasses and you know, some supplements.

Now they sure do, but I'm true, Okay, I guess we'll just roll with this. So switching leaning No, it's true though, leaning into the older we get. I've been h after Roman too. I'm like, oh my, there's been so many symptoms that have kind of come up, and I've been checking into certain things. I just got a in, you know, a full body scan, and when I was kind of looking into your brain tumor diagnosis, you were saying that you felt lightheaded and dizzy before did you start to go like down the doctor google rabbit hole, or were you like, no, I know something's wrong, and like what was kind of like what kind of person are you? In that instance, because I go to like, oh my god, I have MS and I'm dying, or like you know, or like I have this cancer or yeah, and I just needed glasses and you know, some supplements.

You know what. The girls were so young. I think Hunter was six months or Third was six months, or maybe like or maybe like three months at this point that I noticed something was off, but I just felt too busy or just too too much was going on for me to really think about it. I mentioned it to Matthew, I mentioned it to my mom. I was like, gosh, I'm getting old. Like I'm trying to teach the girls how to do a front role and I'm like, I can't find my footing. Afterwards, I'm just and my mom goes, you're twenty nine, I mean you're getting old. I was like, oh, I don't know, I just don't feel right. And it took, honestly about a couple months of me feeling this way and some thing to actually happened like I was holding Hunter and I felt myself going down just the room started spinning, and I kind of threw her to Matthew. Thank got he caught her, but I went down to the ground and he looked at me and he was like, we're going in right now, Like this is getting ridiculous that you know, you keep telling me you don't feel right. This is occurring. You know, who's to say it's not gonna occur when you're driving? And he was right, And so we went in first the emergency room in Michigan and they gave me or out of out of hert something like that, it's the verdigo drug. Didn't touch it. And so we were actually leaving that next day to go out of town because it was the off season and normally when we were in Detroit we had a long off season, so we would leave pretty quickly and head to California. And we were doing that the next day and I was like, you know what, I'll just get checked another time, Like I'll just figure it out. We got to California and Matthew ended up scheduling me the MRI without me even really knowing, and handed me like the PaperWorks like, E've an MRI tomorrow. It's like, okay. I was like, but I'm feeling fine. You know, one of those things that you just kind of like. I really didn't think there was anything wrong. I just thought maybe I don't know what I thought, so I did not go down the rabbit hole. I didn't really look into it at all. When I went to get my MRI, they called and said I wasn't on this phone call. Matthew was and it was his team doctor for the Lions called and said, you know what, they found something on the scan. They're going to see you at UCLA tomorrow. And didn't say anything other than that, and again I just was like, well, I mean, I had no idea I was and he said he is, hey, You've an appointment at UCLA neuro Institute tomorrow, and I was like okay. Honestly, I just I kind of stopped in my tracks for a second. But again, when you have young kids, they kind of take your mind off of everything. And I don't even remember the next day. We just went in. They pulled up my MRI and they were like, here's your brain tumor. And I think I blacked out that that Oh, it was a horrible. First of all, it was a horrible way to do it. The bedside man really wasn't there. I know, Matthew was in a little bit of shock too. So we sat there and listened and walked outside, sat in the waiting room behind a girl who had a scar that now I have, Like I saw her staples and I lost it. And that's when he got on the phone and just started calling every doctor he knew to you know, get me set up in the best places to figure out what to do. Which I'm so grateful. He's such an incredible leader on that field, but he really leads his family in a way that is even better than that. He really took the helm of this and just kind of let me sit back and did everything I needed to get done. So, yeah, it was. And you know, in those moments, you think, and you guys would do the same thing. Being moms, You're like, well, I'm just grateful to me and not my kids, because you see, you see the kids that are battling stuff and that don't understand, and to me, it's truly not fair. And so in that moment, you know, all I could think was I'm just so grateful. It's not my kids and it's and it's not my hut because I think I'm better as like the person going through it than the caregiver. So I was got it was a Matthew either. So yeah, it was a moment in time that I'll never forget. But I'm also extremely grateful for that whole thing we went through as a family.

You know what. The girls were so young. I think Hunter was six months or Third was six months, or maybe like or maybe like three months at this point that I noticed something was off, but I just felt too busy or just too too much was going on for me to really think about it. I mentioned it to Matthew, I mentioned it to my mom. I was like, gosh, I'm getting old. Like I'm trying to teach the girls how to do a front role and I'm like, I can't find my footing. Afterwards, I'm just and my mom goes, you're twenty nine, I mean you're getting old. I was like, oh, I don't know, I just don't feel right. And it took, honestly about a couple months of me feeling this way and some thing to actually happened like I was holding Hunter and I felt myself going down just the room started spinning, and I kind of threw her to Matthew. Thank got he caught her, but I went down to the ground and he looked at me and he was like, we're going in right now, Like this is getting ridiculous that you know, you keep telling me you don't feel right. This is occurring. You know, who's to say it's not gonna occur when you're driving? And he was right, And so we went in first the emergency room in Michigan and they gave me or out of out of hert something like that, it's the verdigo drug. Didn't touch it. And so we were actually leaving that next day to go out of town because it was the off season and normally when we were in Detroit we had a long off season, so we would leave pretty quickly and head to California. And we were doing that the next day and I was like, you know what, I'll just get checked another time, Like I'll just figure it out. We got to California and Matthew ended up scheduling me the MRI without me even really knowing, and handed me like the PaperWorks like, E've an MRI tomorrow. It's like, okay. I was like, but I'm feeling fine. You know, one of those things that you just kind of like. I really didn't think there was anything wrong. I just thought maybe I don't know what I thought, so I did not go down the rabbit hole. I didn't really look into it at all. When I went to get my MRI, they called and said I wasn't on this phone call. Matthew was and it was his team doctor for the Lions called and said, you know what, they found something on the scan. They're going to see you at UCLA tomorrow. And didn't say anything other than that, and again I just was like, well, I mean, I had no idea I was and he said he is, hey, You've an appointment at UCLA neuro Institute tomorrow, and I was like okay. Honestly, I just I kind of stopped in my tracks for a second. But again, when you have young kids, they kind of take your mind off of everything. And I don't even remember the next day. We just went in. They pulled up my MRI and they were like, here's your brain tumor. And I think I blacked out that that Oh, it was a horrible. First of all, it was a horrible way to do it. The bedside man really wasn't there. I know, Matthew was in a little bit of shock too. So we sat there and listened and walked outside, sat in the waiting room behind a girl who had a scar that now I have, Like I saw her staples and I lost it. And that's when he got on the phone and just started calling every doctor he knew to you know, get me set up in the best places to figure out what to do. Which I'm so grateful. He's such an incredible leader on that field, but he really leads his family in a way that is even better than that. He really took the helm of this and just kind of let me sit back and did everything I needed to get done. So, yeah, it was. And you know, in those moments, you think, and you guys would do the same thing. Being moms, You're like, well, I'm just grateful to me and not my kids, because you see, you see the kids that are battling stuff and that don't understand, and to me, it's truly not fair. And so in that moment, you know, all I could think was I'm just so grateful. It's not my kids and it's and it's not my hut because I think I'm better as like the person going through it than the caregiver. So I was got it was a Matthew either. So yeah, it was a moment in time that I'll never forget. But I'm also extremely grateful for that whole thing we went through as a family.

So did they say that there's a chance that something could grow back like that? Like how how because it's like some things that they don't get at all, it could potentially And does that kind of is that in the back of your mind or.

So did they say that there's a chance that something could grow back like that? Like how how because it's like some things that they don't get at all, it could potentially And does that kind of is that in the back of your mind or.

Yeah, you know, they they got it all the only the only thing and I and I'm getting scanned every year. I'm actually doing the full body thing you were talking about. I think that's incredible, you know, and going through this, I just want to be active. But the only thing that can happen really is, yes, it could grow back, but the other side it could occur on If it does occur on this side, it is genetic. And I begged my parents to get a row because neither of them can hear like there's you know, but they're just old and they don't want to do it, So there's that, but it is if it grows on this side, if there's some things that you know, or if I start feeling away and they find out then it's genetic and I'll have to get my kids tested, which that is that's the biggest fear of this is just hoping that that never occurs. So I know that my kids are okay because I guess that, and the worst thing that come this is not cancer, so we are so grateful for that. But if you get it on both sides, and you know, you remove it because it's affecting your overall equilibrium, you can lose your hearing in both years and then all of a sudden and you don't have your hearing anymore. So that is the fear when it comes to my kids getting it and stuff like that. But other than that, it's pretty I feel good. I'm so happy it's done with and I try not to think about you know too much, so yeah.

Yeah, you know, they they got it all the only the only thing and I and I'm getting scanned every year. I'm actually doing the full body thing you were talking about. I think that's incredible, you know, and going through this, I just want to be active. But the only thing that can happen really is, yes, it could grow back, but the other side it could occur on If it does occur on this side, it is genetic. And I begged my parents to get a row because neither of them can hear like there's you know, but they're just old and they don't want to do it, So there's that, but it is if it grows on this side, if there's some things that you know, or if I start feeling away and they find out then it's genetic and I'll have to get my kids tested, which that is that's the biggest fear of this is just hoping that that never occurs. So I know that my kids are okay because I guess that, and the worst thing that come this is not cancer, so we are so grateful for that. But if you get it on both sides, and you know, you remove it because it's affecting your overall equilibrium, you can lose your hearing in both years and then all of a sudden and you don't have your hearing anymore. So that is the fear when it comes to my kids getting it and stuff like that. But other than that, it's pretty I feel good. I'm so happy it's done with and I try not to think about you know too much, so yeah.

Well good. It's always like so scary, but like that, I'm big on. There's something else too that I've been you know, starting to be a part of all just again, all preventative stuff, like okay, what can we be doing to help prevent things. You know, I know it's not a cure for things, but anything preventative. I'm just like you, John side Far moving on to the other thing you have, So is it? There are two podcasts kind of like one in like two in one because I saw the timeout than the morning after or the morning after.

Well good. It's always like so scary, but like that, I'm big on. There's something else too that I've been you know, starting to be a part of all just again, all preventative stuff, like okay, what can we be doing to help prevent things. You know, I know it's not a cure for things, but anything preventative. I'm just like you, John side Far moving on to the other thing you have, So is it? There are two podcasts kind of like one in like two in one because I saw the timeout than the morning after or the morning after.

The Timeout is literally thanks to Taylor Swift because she's gotten a lot of women and football, and the timeout is literally based is about football. It's usually like the experience of game day that we went through, and also just the NFL in general, like the score, stuff like that, but also learning the game starting from the bottom, trying to teach and actually, like, as I'm doing this, I'm realizing how much I don't know. I was talking to Math the other day and I like looked at him at one point. So you're telling me you do a million things before that ball snapped. I'm talking. I can't even imagine. I go, how do you sleep at night? Like my brain would be turning at every And that's what moms do, right, We think about every scenario that we have to do that we haven't done. Things like that. He sleeps like a log. But I will say, is it is a lot tougher than I thought to know the very much ins and outs. I know the basics, which helps me watch it. But that's what time Out is. It's basically like learning the basics so people can enjoy it more when they're watching it with their sygnegica, ooh, significant other, sorry and stuff like that. And then The Morning After is really just a modern podcast about modern relationships, marriages, parenting, kind of what we were talking about, just being realistic about all of that. And the reason I started because I was really tired and really down on myself on a lot of things as a parent, as a wife, with my looks, Like I moved to La and there's god knows all these there's beautiful women in Michigan here, there's beautiful women here, and I was down on a lot and I realized, like I am staring into a screen full of everybody's best and I kind of just wanted to create a space where we talk about maybe not all of our best things, but maybe we like mix it up and talk about some of our failures so that we don't feel so alone when we do fail in all these relationships in a way, So.

The Timeout is literally thanks to Taylor Swift because she's gotten a lot of women and football, and the timeout is literally based is about football. It's usually like the experience of game day that we went through, and also just the NFL in general, like the score, stuff like that, but also learning the game starting from the bottom, trying to teach and actually, like, as I'm doing this, I'm realizing how much I don't know. I was talking to Math the other day and I like looked at him at one point. So you're telling me you do a million things before that ball snapped. I'm talking. I can't even imagine. I go, how do you sleep at night? Like my brain would be turning at every And that's what moms do, right, We think about every scenario that we have to do that we haven't done. Things like that. He sleeps like a log. But I will say, is it is a lot tougher than I thought to know the very much ins and outs. I know the basics, which helps me watch it. But that's what time Out is. It's basically like learning the basics so people can enjoy it more when they're watching it with their sygnegica, ooh, significant other, sorry and stuff like that. And then The Morning After is really just a modern podcast about modern relationships, marriages, parenting, kind of what we were talking about, just being realistic about all of that. And the reason I started because I was really tired and really down on myself on a lot of things as a parent, as a wife, with my looks, Like I moved to La and there's god knows all these there's beautiful women in Michigan here, there's beautiful women here, and I was down on a lot and I realized, like I am staring into a screen full of everybody's best and I kind of just wanted to create a space where we talk about maybe not all of our best things, but maybe we like mix it up and talk about some of our failures so that we don't feel so alone when we do fail in all these relationships in a way, So.

Yeah, when you brought that up to matt How was his or Matthew, how was his response? Like was he like, I'm so proud of you, Yes, go do it? Or was there was a little or was there he hesitancy because the things that you might share well and is there any awful limits? Because I've seen some headlines, so I was like, I know there are plenty of things that I wish I could go back. I mean, there's a because unfortunately I forget that people listen and then and then it becomes the headline and then I'm like why did I say that? Like what for what reason did I say that? And then it's like you can't apologize for everything you say, so then you just kind of kind of keep on going. And I've saw you lean into it, you like kind of called the tour chase and the case, you know what I mean. I was like, she's she's at least leaning into it, So like, how do you deal with when you see a headline? Cause I about vomit every time. I'm like, I like so, but I also you know then I'm like then I then she gets pissed at me because I'm like, well, I gotta be really careful what I say I gotta be my stop, like just talk.

Yeah, when you brought that up to matt How was his or Matthew, how was his response? Like was he like, I'm so proud of you, Yes, go do it? Or was there was a little or was there he hesitancy because the things that you might share well and is there any awful limits? Because I've seen some headlines, so I was like, I know there are plenty of things that I wish I could go back. I mean, there's a because unfortunately I forget that people listen and then and then it becomes the headline and then I'm like why did I say that? Like what for what reason did I say that? And then it's like you can't apologize for everything you say, so then you just kind of kind of keep on going. And I've saw you lean into it, you like kind of called the tour chase and the case, you know what I mean. I was like, she's she's at least leaning into it, So like, how do you deal with when you see a headline? Cause I about vomit every time. I'm like, I like so, but I also you know then I'm like then I then she gets pissed at me because I'm like, well, I gotta be really careful what I say I gotta be my stop, like just talk.

So tell me I agree with you. I you know, it's tough because I have to protect him in a way just because he has a franchise behind him. But at the same time, I tell myself of these headlines, they are picking things out and making it sound like something it's not. That is their job now as media. We know it's like it's all clickbait. There's no actual well there is, but like journalism is tougher now because they have to be the first ones to deliver it. But you know, some headlines are tougher than others. I you know the one you're talking about that Honestly, Matthew and I kind of laughed at that one because it got so blown up. And if you knew us when we were seventeen when this was occurring, I think you would kind of laugh with us. But it is. It's something that I'm human, Like things affect me, what people say affects me. I'm not going to sit here and say I don't give a shit, because I do. But I also have to remind myself, like if I'm standing by who I am and if I'm being my real self, and that's what that podcast is, Like, I am vulnerable, I am out there. I want to be me because I feel like for a long time I was just Matthew's girlfriend or wife, and I had to play this role and look a certain way and all these things, and I just I got worn out and I lost myself. And so with this podcast, I'm kind of finding who I am again. And I always tell him like, you know what, if people don't like that, then they don't have to listen. And headlines are always going to give you not a good feeling. I don't care if it's good or bad, because somewhere it just it feels.