It’s a Jersey Thing with Jackie Goldschneider and Jennifer Fessler

Published Oct 7, 2024, 3:55 AM

Jana gets a taste of Jersey life when she hangs out with Jackie Goldschneider and Jennifer Fessler from the Real Housewives of New Jersey!

We get ALL the dirt from behind the scenes, and find out why there was no RHONJ reunion, which of the cast will come back, and what REALLY happened during the finale!
 
Plus, Jackie reveals why she deleted her Instagram after the season wrapped up.

Wind Down with Jana Kramer and I'mheart Radio podcast.

Well, this is a really fun and exciting podcast because we are in studio in New York with the Two Jersey Jays, Jackie Goldschneider and Jennifer Fessler. Ladies, we've had you on before, but it's so nice to actually meet you in person. This is so fun.

Can we do this all the time?

Please?

I know we've never been to the iHeart studios.

Why no, no, I've never know.

Because wait, where do you guys do your podcasts?

We do it on Zoom.

Well, I go to gens or she comes to my house.

That's yeah, I mean that's kind of how we do too, Like the girls come over. It's so fun, but there's something so much more personal of having a together, being together in the city. So, and you guys are Jersey Jersey Northern Jersey because obviously the two Jersey Jays, so that means Jersey House born and raised.

No, She's like, not even close. I grew up in Texas, which part Sugarland, Texas, Southwest Houston. There were sugar Land, got the name the Imperial Sugar. Oh, the Imperial Sugar.

Okay, and then we're I grew up in Staten Island, New York.

Okay, that's to say.

I feel like you're not far from Jersey though.

Yeah, and all of Brooklyn migrates to set Now and then they migrate to central New Jersey.

All right, we're going to get into all the things. But we were just talking about because you were also in We were in Wilmington last night for one trail convention. You were in South Carolina. How do you guys deal with flying? Not?

Well, well, that's not true. I have learned that a xanax and a white wine go a long way.

So now you should do I really should. What do you not like about it?

I'm just nervous. I just get very We're one. The whole family were on the plane. I was sleeping and I don't remember where were going, but we landed and so it's the boom, and I was sleeping on I screamed. My kids have never been that mortified. They were all behind me and they're like, no, no, no. The whole plane was like what.

Yeah.

I rarely go places without my kids, so I'm fine flying, but I have one who's a really nervous flyer, so I always have to stay.

Calm for him.

So even if I am nervous, I always have to act completely comfortable. But the truth is that I remind myself that like ninety nine point nine percent of the time, nothing happens from any of the turbulence.

Well, this is what's funny is because so before we take off, our pilot comes out and he's like, hey, we had really turbulent weather on the way here, so just expect the same thing. And so that immediately I'm like already white knuckling, you know, the seats, and that just you know, freaks me out. But when it wasn't as bad, we had a little bit of turbulence heading up or whatever, and then I talked to the flight attendant and I said, is this better than what it was? Because I always want to talk to the flight attendant because I'm just like just to be like, hey, are we cool, Like how's everything going?

You know, Like, is it just makes sure you're like work a relationship with her?

No, it's more just like I want to know that we're we're not going to fall out of the sky, and.

She really just wants someone to tell her that, yeah, specifically, we will not fall out of.

This guy yeah, and then she said what did she say?

Basically that ninety nine it's speed bumps.

She's liked, just think of it as speed bumps ninety nine point nine percent of the time. I was like, so you're saying there's a point one percent chance. Then I was like, and that's that's what she hears.

And I am the mom that has to always be calm, So that is.

Not even it's not even the turbulence. Sometimes he asks me like, how do you know that the pilot's not drunk? And like, how do you know the pilot didn't like really valid?

How old is this sixteen? Okay, I mean that's a real question.

It is a good question.

He's afraid someone's going to have food poisoning. I'm like, you've watched airplane way too many times.

Oh, I know, I feel like it's flying for me has gotten worse since having babies. I like to fly with them, if anything, because then I'm like, all right, I know we're together, and then I can also be there for them and not focus on my own anxiety.

Yeah, everything gets more difficult when you have babies. Everything takes on a new meaning, right, Like it's I don't know if it's better if they're with us because then we all go down together. But if we're not, then they're left. Let's you know, this is getting more Yeah, that's where that's where our brains go ry. Sorry, yeah, I know.

I'm always just like, oh, are thinking the mom I could have had that, Like you know, I mean while all our husbands are sound asleep exactly.

My husband loves turbulence.

Uh.

Catherine is like our how I say, Bravo correspondent for the show.

I usually don't talk a whole lot, but if we get Housewives on, I'm like, okay, I got this one. I love that. Okay, So where do we even start? We have got to talk about the season, like we just need to like dive in. Okay, so give us a little background on the season, okay, because I know a lot of people are saying it was a little bit of a toxic season. We won't talk about the ending yet.

Well, well, can I just say something really fast? Catherine was kind of like filling me in on some of the stuff, and I was like, well, don't they want toxic for the show, Like, isn't that what makes this show well entertaining for people to watch? I know that sounds terrible, which does.

Not sound terrible. I've been watching Housewives usually in the morning time, and of course, like that's what you're waiting for, right, You're waiting for it to get for everybody to make it up a little bit. Yeah, but I guess that I think we've probably discovered that there's like a line between and shady and you know, even nasty and toxic. Yeah, right, So I think in Jersey everyone would agree that we kind of crossed over onto the dark side a little bit. In our opinion, we went a little far.

I think the fun seasons, the fun fights are the petty ones where they're not really about anything that heavy, and you can come back from them. On Jersey, I feel like we've gotten to a place where the fights are so dirty and people say such horrible things to each other that there's no coming back from it. And what ended up happening is everybody split, you know, and no one wanted to film with other people, and everyone played again of icing people out, and it just became It wasn't like any season that I've ever filmed before. It was just very divided and very vengeful, and like you couldn't make up even if you wanted to, you couldn't make up because there were games being played.

So it was just it was a tough season to film.

I mean, I love like I'm right now in the middle of Orange County, and I mean I just watched the last episode and they get down. I mean, they're not playing when they're fighting. They're certainly like going for each other. And I don't know how where that line gets cross, but I know that it definitely felt like it did. And again, it's all about I think with housewives, right is like conflict resolution. You have to be able to come back together and also like somewhere in your heart have love for these people, not just animosity, right, Yeah, And I think I don't know, unfortunately, I think it's we lost some of that.

Well.

It seems like you were hopeful to truth, like truly make that better at the sit down, and I felt for you. That would have been me. She walked out in the middle of she they tried to bring them together. It was not happening. They're all fighting, and She's like, I'm out of here. I'm leaving.

It's not just fighting. Like I think that you know, you kind of have a responsibility when you sign up for this for sure to be there for the good and the bad. But everybody has the line that you know they cross, they can't. I just it started when it starts to get physical, Yeah, not so interested.

So yeah, there was.

Too much physical this season.

Like I don't want to be on a show where we're allowed to like punch each other in the face.

That's not that's not for me. No, she'll be for anyone.

I mean, this is like a totally different subject, but I it frustrates me. Like I was always a big hockey fan, and I know they they had fights, but now they take it so to the extreme that I'm like, this is a circus and they're always just fighting. And then I remember one of the big fights that they just had in the NFL. I'm like, can we not? I was like, oh god. I looked at my husband. I was like, hopefully they don't start this whole fighting stuff too, because I'm like, it's just it becomes like everyone now is going to start watching it to see like who gets into a fight, or like the crowd cheers and mode I'm like, that's not entertainment. I don't want to see that. I don't want to say other people like physically assaulting each other. No for entertainment, So yeah, I mean that piece of it is that's toxic for sure. Yeah, like there should I mean, was there any ramifications for the physical aspects, like any.

Not that I no.

I mean, I know after the first one, which was mid season Bravo, the network didn't let them film for what like a week.

That's not and I'm not sure what.

Yeah, you know, they don't do.

Any kind of violence, so we wouldn't really even know how they're How they did deal with that is that between the network and you know whoever was acting out in that way, but they certainly don't condone it. But also like it's we're in a different age, right, Uh, everything is a little more sensitive, and I think back in the day of housewives you could maybe get away with more than you can now flipping a table like that. Yeah like that.

Yeah, So then y'all obviously did not do a reunion. Yeah, first time reunion has not happened. Is that because certain people refuse to film together or was it Rabo going.

This is now what I happened to everybody?

I think I didn't want the reunion to happen because I knew it would just be the same old fighting that we had the entire season.

That was just my personal opinion.

But I think that everybody wanted the reunion to happen because, A, they get paid a lot for the reunion. You know, we're friends. We get paid a little differently, but they get paid, you know, they missed out, I think, on a lot of money. And also like it's there's something about reunion that's very like, I can't explain it. It's so unique to the housewife world and it your moment to like get dressed to the nines and just make your you know.

Take your case.

Yeah, I feel like it's a it's a way to defend yourself to like I watched.

You really upset that they get to film the reunion.

I think that the idea was that there was not going to be any resolution, Like we were at a complete stalemate and the finale was so volatile, and what else was there to say? Right, what else is there to say? So I think that was probably you know, the thought behind it is that the reunions are to hopefully come together right kind of like hash it out now, let's put it all the rest and just I don't think that there's the relationships on Jersey have become so disjointed. I don't think there's really putting them back together.

You know, how do you see that looking them for the for the future.

Brighter mind than I will have to figure that out. I do not know.

I okay.

I think that it's really hard to find a group of women who are authentically friends. So the idea that entire new group of New Jersey women are going to be cast as the new cast, I just don't think that's going to happen. But I don't think this cast is coming back as is. I think that a few people are going to come back.

I think if you.

Drew a line in the sand this season and said I'm not filming with this one or I hate this one, I think you might have written yourself off the show. But I've been wrong before. So I know that Teresa and Melissa can't both come back because they won't film together and they hate each other, and there's no coming back from that. I don't know about Margaret and Teresa, I don't know. There's so many Danielle and Jennifer can't be together.

I don't I don't know.

This cast is so broken that a lot of people are going to be leaving.

Do you have a line in the sand with who you won't go back?

No?

No, I don't.

I like it despite what happened at finale with me, like I am not like, I don't think it's that big of a deal. I think it made like a good finale, you know. And I think that my story this season made an interesting story in a not so interesting season. And I not that it wasn't interesting. It was just a lot about toxic fighting, you know, And so my stuff was kind of more like amusing me worthy, right, But I was just authentically like doing my thing, you know.

I wasn't like I had no agenda or anything so wide.

I spoke to Louis X, like, who the cares it was three four years ago Teresa and I were fighting. I was just so like caught in that moment that I was like, oh God, what.

Do I say?

And that's why it was a big deal in that moment. But like in the scheme of things, it's not that big of a deal. Like I put something in my pocket. Never brought it up on air, but I put something in my pocket three years ago a big deal and that's why Theresa didn't care either. So I just like, there's nobody. I mean, do I think that me and Margaret are going to best friends again?

Ever?

Nope, But there's nobody on this cast who, like, I hate so thoroughly that I couldn't like film Michelle with them or you know, try to make up with them.

So for me, no, So did Teresa already know that you had spoken to Louise?

She thought?

She kind of thought that yet I probably did, because the ex booke to everybody, but she never had confirmation. But you know, like she did things to me, I did things back to her, and like we chose to let it all go and we're friends.

And how did that happen? Like, how did you guys become friends again? Was that you reaching out?

Was that her?

Or how did that kind of well?

On the show, it was just us like making conversation with each other, her and then slowly we started becoming friendly. But like people were putting things in her ear about my intentions, people were telling me things about her intentions. I think it was more once we really wrapped filming and gave it a real go that it actually took holds. Like we went out to dinner, our husbands, our friends, We sat down and talked about things and said, like I said to her, like if you if you're really ready to let things go, I am too, and like we can move forward. But we had to have that conversation.

Sure, yeah, it seems so easy, you know what I mean When you say it like that, it's like, oh, we've had down a lot to get but sure.

You know, like someone from the cast has been going on podcasts saying things like trying to dredge up the past, and like it's hard not to internalize that and be like, wait, you did that also, and I can't get mad at it, you know, I have to let the pass be.

The past, right, Like when you watch the show, it just seems like, oh, they just made it up and that was so easy and that was so and that's what I mean. It's like that you look at it and it's like, no, yeah, I mean there's yeah, there's interviews, there's we talk about that all the time because there's been stuff with the reality show. And she's always like, you would do it with me, right, And I'm like yeah, and I'm like, no, absolutely not I would never do it because like, I couldn't. I couldn't take it. I could not take knowing she's like talking about me on a podcast or you know whatever. So props to you for being able to put that stuff aside and really get past it.

A spot for you.

Well, listen, I'm just saying I couldn't either.

I remember I'm doing it. If you get I'm just saying no.

I remember I I auditioned to be Teddy's friend on the Beverly Hills one and yeah, and it was one of those things where I was like, I mean, yeah, like I'll I'll have the interview. I don't think I was juicy enough or dramatic enough to so, I mean, I didn't get casted, but it was an interesting process to.

Say the least is interesting.

And then I've kind of always stopped back going, oh man, I don't I don't think I could personally handle the the Bravo fans and the amount of comments that I would potentially get one because.

Bravo fans are amazing and loving, like everyone we meet at Bravo con incredible. I don't think it's I don't think it's just Bravo fans but social media is so bad. So after finale, the day of finale, I deleted in my Instagram from my phone, so my manager still had it and he would like post a monitor for me. But I didn't sign back on until September, so I skipped.

Over all of the hates.

But I have to say by the time I came back on and like now I don't see any of it, which is wonderful, which is a good thing about the housewife cycle is like onto the next.

Yes, it is hard, but like it's funny because I don't know why. I think when you first go on, you just assume, well, everyone's gonna like me, what's not to like? And it just doesn't matter what you do, they are going to be haters. And it definitely there's definitely like a learning curve with it. So now I'm like, well, I shouldn't say it. I'm not always like whatever, but I.

Try to be what do you think people don't like about you?

About me? Personally? Yeah, I get a lot of flip flopper, I get a lot of pot stir. I actually put both those words in my song. I don't know if you guys heard the song again anyway, you heard it, Yeah, okay, flip flopper, hot stir, and then you just get nasty. Like I get a lot of snake emojis, Yeah, I get a lot of I get a lot of the clown face cloud, you look like a man. You're not a real friend, yeah, all that good stuff.

That's just crazy to me because you truly try to be friends with everyone. I mean, both of you do, but I don't well, I mean, you still seem friendly to everyone though. Way I always.

Like that unless you do something really really horrible to me, I'm like, I'm always going to like give you a hug when I walk in a room.

I really don't.

I really strongly think that hate is a wasted emotion. If you hate somebody, then you care about them. So if I don't like you, I'm just like nothing.

That's but you can tell. I mean. And that's the thing that that's crazy to me for y'all getting hate. I mean, you obviously tried to be friends with everybody. I mean, for the most.

You mostly are. Yeah I am.

That's what I was going to say, Are you are you friendly with everybody?

I went into this and I had a lot of discussion with my therapist about it before. I you know.

We love our therapists here.

I love our arapists. I love, but just sort of like I wanted to start to sound of sounding cheesy, but just kind of all about intention and why am I Why would I do this? And so I guess.

What was your why? I'm curious because there was all I always wanted.

So growing up, I went to a performing our high school and then I went to here in New York. I went to the American Academy of Dramatic Arts, and I wanted to be an actress. And I was a horrible, horrible actress. I wasn't even an actress. I don't know what that was, but I think I just really wanted to be famous, and I I looking at my intentions that I really didn't want that to be what was driving me, because that's always you know, that's always like precarious, like that goes up, that goes down. It doesn't fill you up all that bs. But anyway, I just wanted to be on stage in the sense that like camera make people laugh, like that was always. I always was sort of like the funny girl in all my different friend groups. I love I love that role and I guess I always just you know, at my age at when they came a knock in, I was fifty three years old, so it just felt like an adventure, Like when was this ever going to happen again? So like that was my attention. But then so getting on, I guess after twenty years of therapy, like you have that voice in your head and I'm trying to, like cause I'm dealing with people, like see their humanity. I'm gonna sort of sound very crunchy, but like it's different than when you're a viewer and you're just watching, you know, women that you really don't know, even though it feels like you do and it's so easy and it's like fun to hate, you know. But when you're looking people in the eye and you're talking to them off camera and you're kind of getting like you're sort of seeing their humanity, it's just different. And so I yeah, like I just I didn't. I don't know if I was. My intention was to make everyone like me and to like everyone, but to sort of at least like see through the bs and try to get, you know, some kind of connection with the cast members. I'm like kind of grossy myself out I'm getting so mushy.

But no, I loved that about you. I mean, I mean, I love the drama, but at the end of the day, the people that I'm going to like on the show are able to be respectful to someone. I mean, it's like at some point, like we are grown adults, and like you can walk in a room and just say hello to someone you know, or you can try to see the good and.

Yeah, it's always difficult this season, Like I would walk into a room and there was at least four people who decided from the jump that they weren't going to talk to me and they didn't like me, and there was nothing I could say to them that was gonna like, so what am I going to do when? Like, and I feel like it makes the show so tense. You know, when you walk in a room and you know there's four people on a cast of nine people who are not even going to look in your.

Direction, then it's scary hard.

It's also really hard.

To film a show like that.

Yeah, you know I had that at the end, Like at the finale, I walked in, not the finale, the non reunion. So I hadn't spoken to Rachel Fuda in months, Danielle and I were not certainly not the best of friends, and I had to walk into a room where I knew that two of the four women sitting there were not fans of mine, and quite honestly, I wasn't fans of theirs. I mean, we've actually now we've reconciled, and I'm happy to report, but like, you know, that's a very intimidating thing. Yeah, like not really not the most fun. And I definitely had I felt for Jackie because you know, it's imagine that scenario walking in and facing people that you know they're not fans. It is it's intimidating a bit.

Yeah, yeah, that's why I'm I was just telling her about something I saw someone that we both did like each other. We both have reasons to not like each other, and it's like they go out of their way to even make it more uncomfortable to not like. And I'm like, I have as much as we don't get along and you did some terrible things to me, I can still look at you and give a nod or like, because there doesn't need to be the uncomfortable miss, you know, Like I don't like that energy in general, So It's like, I think there's boundaries. I don't want to talk to the person, you know, and I don't want to let this person back into my atmosphere. But at the same time, I don't need to make it uncomfortable for anybody.

Well, even doing the one Tree Hill thing, you know. I mean there's been a lot of drama through the years, yes, and division between the cast, but y'all are able to come to these conventions and look past things and be adults and get along. And I understand that. Housewives again, I think what y'all said is it's crossed the line this season. There's drama and then there's crossing that.

So as I viewer them, what did you think?

Did you think it was a great entertaining season or did you think it was too dark?

Kind of both. I still enjoyed it, and I would be very disappointed if the cast, but also like I'm I was there if the cast broke up, because I was there from the beginning. So you know, it is kind of disappointing as a viewer to go. Man, really, Teresa and Melissa can't like actually film, I agree.

I was. I've been watching since the beginning. Yeah, I said I don't remember when I said, like they don't know it, but like they've been friends of mine for years, right, I feel like, you're you know, involved with these people, and I think those.

Are the only two though that really can't be together.

Right, But I think that but that is the one, and I get it. I mean, I understand, like I wouldn't want to film with the other one either, probably, you know. But at the same time, like I think as a viewer, it's like, man, we really want to see dog maybe not resolution, but at least to be able to be in the same room and to keep the show going. And maybe there's still drama between the two, and I know that's not healthy as a you know, that's coming from a viewer, from a viewer going, well, this would keep the show being I understand that's probably not healthy for them because it's their personal life, it's their families, it's all the things.

I mean, that's you know, that's a whole family dynamic.

I can't do that. I'm even yeah, that's.

Another level, right, it is. But I think that even I don't think that Margaret and Teresa want to film. Maybe they would, I don't think they would want to film together again. I don't think that you don't want to film with again me. Yeah, no, I don't have that happily.

Do you do you have like sides when it comes to Teresa or Melissa or what do I have? Size?

Well, after we wrapped filming, there was all of this social media, just this crap that came out and things that you know, my fellow cast members had done, and so it all started coming out and I started to feel just really kind of just disappointed in some of my cast members. I think like at some point, you can't try to ruin people's lives, you know what I mean? And I just I saw some things that just really turned me off. So from from who you mean? Well, Janet Trees and I haven't spoken in quite a while, but I just I'm not sitting here saying like, you know, they're all bad or it's just these things that I saw were just they were like a little scary to me, and you know, if you could do it to this person, you could certainly do it to me, and I don't. I don't. There's other stuff. I mean, there were private investigators and you know, there were people, there was there were businesses that people were trying to interfere with and you know, rumors and talking to bloggers and trying to put things out like it's it's scary shit, you know. So but I never had like a big blowout with anybody. Yeah, so, would you guys go back? I'd go back if there were changes, I wouldn't. I did not have fun this season.

And the truth is that, like when I first got on the show, I was like, I'm going to be a housewife and then the whole world is going to be like knocking down my door. And that does not happen. So it definitely in stores for you. But you have to go after things. So I feel like once I'm not having fun with it anymore. And if those doors, if my foot is in the door of places that I need it to be, then what's the point of staying right if things changed.

I can't go back on a cast like this.

This cast was too hateful, too divided. I'm not saying any particular people, but just the nine of us together doesn't work. So if it was mostly that again, I don't think I would go back. But I don't think that's even an option. I think Bravo has said publicly so many times, not Bravo, but Andy has said publicly a few times that the cast is changing. So the place that I'm at right now, I don't hate anybody on this cast. I am open to relationships with every single person on this cast. But I'm kind of enjoying the time off. It's the most time I've ever had off from the show. And I'm waiting to see what Prava does because there's no point in even thinking about who would I make up with, who would I do this with until you know who's coming back or not, you know, and that's all out of our hands.

Because do you talk to I mean outside of the show besides Jen Ovius? Do you even really speak to anyone on Teresa?

Yeah, I'm still friends with Jen. We haven't spoken recently, but friends with Jen. I speak to Teresa and Jen Fessler, and I text with Delras every occasionally once in a while.

I mean, you know, my like I've had Melissa Obvius on the podcast, I feel we have a friendly Instagram friendship. Do you have a side between the.

Two, I mean as a viewer, I not necessarily. I mean I love Melissa. I'll be honest, I do love Melissa but I don't know, part of me still wants them to make up.

Well, that's why I think, Like when I say like that, it's I believe everyone has a side. Yeah, And that's like where I think, you know, we I think we all have like even if we were to ever get into something like you have your side, I have my side, you know, and it's like, yeah, we both have our own, do.

It you guys? Oh no, no, whatever.

We are not. I'm just saying like just in life in generally, you know what I mean. But like I think you can have this person's side, you can also understand and have empathy for the other side too. And that's where I wish like these kind of shows. It's like when I watch you know, any other you know, housewives show or it's like I want people to see, Okay, you guys have a little fight, but then you guys can come together. Think, I like, I love a resolution, like the non resolution stuff like it kills my like PTSD part.

We were not in a good place. I mean, I guess on the scale of housewife drama wasn't really that high up there. But it was sad because we had been We're so close our first season and it just came apart and it got just it was so uncomfortable and sad and we were both angry, and you know, it really sucked. So the coming together is very sweet, Like afterwards, it's very nice to be able to like put it all away. And that's also part I think of when you think about life, Like, if you have friends that you really you have you have big fights with you don't normally come back together, right, you have no reason to. You live your life, I'll live mine. But with housewives, you're working together. You're not just friends, you're actually colleagues. So there's a reason to come together. And then you do, and it's sort of like, oh, I forgot how much I enjoy you, and I forgot how much you know love there was right.

You know.

The problem is though it's like whatever happens on the show, okay, fine, you're filming a show. It's afterwards the people who go on podcasts and say mean things and then you don't get your chance to respond. And like, I'm not going to go on a podcast and respond to all of that because I want to let everything die down. I don't want to contribute to the era of like toxicity. But like, for example, Melissa, I never had a big fight with Melissa, but she went on a podcast and said that she has picked me up off the floor a number of times over the past few years. You have never picked me up off a floor. Like we had a nice friendship. But I can count on one hand how many times we've spoken on the phone and you said, hey.

Jack, just checking in you okay? You good. You have never picked me up off the floor.

And when I hear something like that, I'm like, what is this narrative that you're creating for the world to hear? And that's what that upsets me much more than any fight we could have on TV, you know, like you telling the world that I was some like like helpless sap.

That you had to rescue that I don't like.

But the things that.

Happened on the show, like that happened on the show, it's all fine, it's all good. I know what I signed up for, you know. But so I don't know where the cast goes from here. I know that I'm good because mentally I'm healthy and I know how to forgive and move on.

You know, I'm not an idiot.

I don't forget everything, but I know how to make a show also, so hopefully, I don't know.

I have faith and Bravo.

I think that they'll find some great new people, and I think they'll know which people from our cast mesh with them, and if naturally it's my time to go, it's my time to go, you know.

But so I'm just leaving it in their hands.

It's like its own show, trying to figure out what happens next, right, I mean, the show is over right, it's wrap, but yet it's just sort of hanging there in the universe. What's happened, what's going to happen, what's the next episode? It's like, you know, we all think about it all the time. It's it's just like a puzzle that we're all trying to put together.

Hopefully they don't, well this is my opinion as a viewer, but hopefully they don't completely recast it like New York. No, I don't, and I've heard a few rumblings of that, but I'm like, I truly hope not, because I think that there are, like you said, there are a few that could stay and get some other people in there that could make it better.

For sure, that can't be easy, right to like recast people have the people are so the viewers are so invested in the original Like when they recast New York, I am just a super fan in terms of those you know, yeah New York women, those like ogs. So they did a really good job of recasting. But there's no way that could have been easy. They had some big shoes to fill.

When you're starting over as a viewer, I mean, it's just like it's like all these rors.

Your show gets, you know, like yes too, for example, like Gray's Anatomy when like certain people go, You're like, yeah, I gotta like try to see if I can get involved in this new character.

Now it's absolutely you know, and it's the one. It's they're the shows now that actually last for a long time. You're going to get a lot of seasons of it. So it's like again like with like the Teresa Melissa thing, it's like, oh, I'm just so invested, Like I can imagine losing the Do.

You want to see a whole nother season of that?

Not the way it was, That's what I'm saying. That's why I say if there could be a little bit more resolution, and maybe not resolution, but a little bit more like it got It definitely crossed the line. It absolutely crossed the line, and I think most viewers could agree with that.

So a lot of obviously our listeners are and we get a lot of questions like how to fix female relationships, So like what does your best advice to keep a healthy female friendship? And then also if you want to mend a relationship that you have lost, what would be your tip to meend that?

I remember like hearing you know that you're not a good friend, and I'm thinking you could say a lot of things about me. I have a lot of faults, but I'm not told very often that I'm not a good friend. I haven't lost that many female friendships. I mean the things Ebb and flow. I was just in South Carolina with my two best friends from college, and I was I started out at Boston University. Jackie went there too.

Anyway, are you guys friends? Then?

No, no, no, no. I transferred to Texas back to but anyway, so you know, freshman year, that's a long time ago for us. So it's a lot of years of friendship. And there were a couple of years in there where I was just in a very dark place, and they just both were so good at reaching out to me and you know, trying to be there for me, and I just wasn't having it. And I just about lost these very very very important friendships because I was just not a good friend. I wasn't you know, I just sort of like isolated. But got them back because I wanted those friendships back and thankfully they forgave me for what went down. And you know, but I don't lose. It's hard. It's not like the house. It's not it's not easy thing to lose really good friendships. Something big has to happen, right, Yeah.

So what would be your advice then? To mend anything that is broken?

Or I probably like own your ship, you know, I find that like if you if you're willing to own yours, then your friend's going to be willing to own theirs. Like not be so defensive. But listen maybe more, I mean listen. I pay someone two hundred dollars an hour to tell me how to do this, So no, I don't.

Know anythy I think you listen to what the other person is going. Do you know that stupid saying that you see all over the place, like be kind because you never know what someone else is going. Like everybody's got that they're dealing with, you know, so just understand that. Like and I feel like if you hear other people like people just want to be heard, you know, so here where are other person's coming from? And then you can get past it if you want to. You know, it's when you don't really want to make up.

That you don't, right.

I feel like it's almost like that in like a you know, even just a real relationship too. It's just like a husband as well. It's like I might not agree, but I can at least try to understand where he's coming from, you know, and we could have you can have different opinions about things and still have a respectful relationship.

And you're so the difference my marriage in terms of like we're comparing marriage to friendship, you know, there is we have people. So you have to have so much in common with your husband. We have nothing in common except that he loves the housewives. Like I don't even know, Like we just don't. He's a crazy sports guy, he's an attorney. I have zero interest in what he does for a living. It's so boring to me. He is you know, city whatever, but it doesn't matter. We have kids and we have been through twenty five years of marriage and adore each other. But friendships, they're female friendships for me, and not just female friendships, male friendships too, but they're just different. They are based on I think shared experiences. You know, that's like my take on it.

Twenty five years though, I mean, what how what has been the best tip and tool that you guys have heard we were marriage.

So Jeff always says that it's not really it's like twenty three and a half because we were separated for a year and a half going back, this is this is years ago. I really like him, like I don't even know I love him. Of course he's you know, my best friend, the father my children, blah blah blah. But I we enjoy each other's company a lot, so like we don't my my friends that go away in a lot of like couple's trips, and I've done that. But when I go away with just him, we have such a rhythm after twenty five years and there's nothing like you. We don't don't don't to think about it, like we know we're getting up in the morning, he's getting the cough, and we're all about the three meals that we're going to have that day, and there's a certain amount of sight seeing we want to do. I'm just I'm just saying like we are a rhythms now are in sync, and also like we think the same things are funny, and we just we're a unit, you know, we're just we move.

What happens when you guys disagree though, like what do you how do you how do you walk through disagreement? Hmm?

I say I'm right and he apologizes? Now no, no, no. I Also, I mean I think as you get older, like you do, learn to own your right. So like I know when I'm being a bitch. Yeah, you know, even if I am enjoying holding on to it, I know when I'm wrong. The truth is, if we're being really honest, I'm wrong way more than he is. Like he's just he doesn't give anybody a hard time, whereas I have my moments of just not being so nice. But I think that like we both don't want to fight, you know, it's like sucks when you're you know, this is like this is your person. You're not talking and it's just I don't know. Yeah, so I don't know exactly what to say. I'm not I don't think I'm like the end. I'll be all in terms of giving out marriage advice necessarily, but I'm okay. I've learned to be a pretty good apologizer.

Yeah, yeah, No, I've been married eighteen years, and I think we don't fight that often. But we have different approaches. So, like I'm a talker, Like if something bothers me, I'm going to want to like go through it with you. And Evan's like the guy who holds onto everything until he gets so mad that he'll explode. So he won't tell me in the build up, right, So he'll just wait until he's so mad at something. But I don't think we've ever had a fight that we didn't grow from, as cheesy as that sounds, like, we usually end up in a better place than where we started after a fight. So because I know the things that he's not happy about, you know.

So, but we don't really fight that often.

We give each other a lot of space, and he's I love watching him be a dad. So my kids are sixteen and fourteen, and I sets the twins, so I have two sixteen and two fourteen and I just love, like I love watching him with them. So a lot of our lives are still wrapped up in our kids. So you know, I mean, as long as they're good, there's nothing much.

To fight about.

I think that's so also key because like I am, I appreciate him so much as a father. I had a very weird relationship with my father. I think that my kids are the luckiest kids because they have him for a father. But like that is something that just makes me love him so much, like watching how he is with my daughter and with my son, and also like, you know, it just I don't know, it just I have so much respect for that. You know, I'm always like the nuts, I'm always crazy. I'm always all over the place too, I'm a helicopter mom or I don't know, they call me millions of different things. But he's just so steady and he's such a good father and there's no replacing that, right. It just makes me back and love him more.

Yeah, it's got to have a balance. It's okay, the hell you like? It's okay. I think for sure kids need that balance.

Well, we all have the life three sixty on our phone.

Oh yeah, same, yeah, Oh, my god.

I took my location off. My kids are like, why can't I we see where you are?

Like, because you don't get that kind I'm fifty years old.

Like I just had that conversation with my kids. Yeah, we have ours on, but I'm like, why are you watching me?

And every time I was at like I don't even Marcus, I get a phone call why are you? And even Mark, I'm like no, but I live like this.

My son and a bunch of his friends to like this far away basketball camp, like three hours away, and I knew that, like I couldn't do my normal like eighty and a sixty five because.

All their parents had my like my hour on their phones. So I stress is nice and slow.

It's probably better.

I always do carpool for a bunch of girls for cheer because it's like an hour away. And every time I'm in the car, I'm like, come, everyone has life thirty sixteen. I gotta floatad Sorry.

Girl, I love that.

Yeah, Tennessee, I know, Yeah, what is what is the the takeaway? You want? Like, what do you want people to know like about either you the show. It's kind of the closing the closing argument.

Yeah, well I will say. I don't like to blame things on an edit, but I do think that when the edit wants to work a certain way, it will, So I think this season it made me look strategic, which I am not. I just really wanted to be open to friendships, and the other people dropped me because I was open to friendships. I'm not a bad person. I think most people know that, yes, and I think.

That, you know, I got called it.

I did do what I did a few years ago, for sure, but you know, I think that was like all fair in the housewives world.

I don't think I did anything that like crazy. I don't know.

I think people know who I am after six years. You know the takeaway, I really want the show to be fun again. I really do, because it was really really fun for a few years for a long time, even like Ireland, we had.

The best best Everybody always goes back to Ireland, so.

It was so fun. But even like the fight over the pizza party in my driveway, that was petty, stupid fun. Everyone loved it.

It was.

So that's the kind of stuff I want to get back to, not this, you know, Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, we I've only I'm a novice like this is only this was only year two for me. But year one and year two were different in that I did have so much more fun. So season thirteen was a blast, and you know, I don't. I don't think I was. I'm kind of like, I'm kind of like the clown a lot, So I wasn't. I don't think I was as much this season because just nothing was that funny. There was nothing to be, you know, to be sort of laughing about. But you know, so in terms of a takeaway, if I if there is more, if I'm part of it, I guess I would just love it to be more like season thirteen, where we had real moments of just real fun and real laughter and you know, real friendship.

I think we all need to get back to Joy Amen, Chase Joy, Yes, Amen, absolutely anything.

I don't know, I think that's it.

All right, Well, thank you ladies so much for coming into the city. We appreciate you.

Well, I'm just going to put it out there that we'd love to have you all on two jerseys. Oh yeah, I love, I love, we got We're turning this around. Okay, Okay, I's okay.

Then now I know it's on my queue now to binge, because are you going.

To come on as Teddy's friend? Are you friends with Teddy?

We were like friendly, Oh, I mean like.

You look a little alike, do we? Yeah, she's gorgeous.

You both are, thanks, but yeah, I mean we we knew each other enough that yes, And it came up.

She was like, I can't imagine them passing you by. I can't even imagine.

I get, I just don't think. I mean, I had some drama with Max husband because he had a bunch of affairs and stuff. So I'm like, I feel like that side of things.

But it's just so funny because Teddy's, you know, one of our producers and like her her dad. One of his songs was my carry key song in college, and like I always think about that when I like talk to her or something. I'm like, God, like if I had known when I was nineteen so good at a dirty bar that like one day his daughter would be somebody that I know, you know.

Yeah, so many of those life.

It's funny.

Yeah, it is really crazy, but yeah, we'd love to be yea And I'm gonna I'm gonna binge the entire season now, so.

Just to me, you're gonna have to start from the beginning.

Well, no, I'm gonna start with.

But when he had an alcohol in the house.

Yeah, okay.

Alan will be happy about it because he's now been helping me watch ben shows like usually we were watching the Mormon Wives. Have you guys watched?

Oh we should have talked about it.

Yeah, Alan, I just kind of caught him in the background. And then when the finale episode was coming, He's like, we're gonna watch the finale and I was like, are you gonna?

Are you watch?

He's the one I kind of want to know what happens.

I'm on episode right now. I haven't watched, and now it's getting good.

It's good. I have to watch a really good couple.

So that gat was really good.

Perfect couple, presumed innocent is really good to watch it really good.

Yep, I didn't watch that.

It's a movie or many ses MANI series.

I got to watch. That is the end.

I loved it, but I hear you never neither.

But it was still great. Don't let it?

Yeah, all right, I love you girls, We'll see You'll see you on two Jersey Jays. Nay, goodbye bye.

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