Have you heard all the drama on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City?? Jana is sitting down with the woman in the center of it all… Monica Garcia!
Hear the real story behind the Instagram page she ran before joining the cast, and we go behind the scenes of what happened during her season… and why she may NOT return!
Plus, Monica reveals what went down between her and Jen Shah, and why the Secret Service got involved!
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I feel like we're trading spots this week because a few weeks ago it was all about Love is Blind.
Yeah, the same. I'm feeling pretty good about it too, pretty excited.
So you got me into housewives for a minute there. Yeah, which you know, because when I went on the Andy Cohn Show, the Andy Cone Show, I'm just gonna call it the Andy con Show. It's not Andy Cohen. What is it called Live with Andy Cohen?
Right, it's Oh my god, watch what happens live?
Watch it happens live? There we go, whoof? But I you know, because I just like, I haven't started from like start to finish. But then I got hooked there for a minute when I was pregos and then now I'm like back to not watching it. And uh so we have a guest today, Monica Garcia, and she's on Which Housewife again?
Salt Lake City? So do you watch salt Lake Yes?
Interesting? Yeah, when did Salt Lake Day even debut?
It's newer. It's probably been oh, I don't know, three or four seasons or five something like that. I don't know. It's newer. It may be more than that the year's run. I'm not really sure, but it's definitely one of the newer ones.
Why is she a villain? Oh? It was so good? Well, she was new this year. I feel like the news get picked on.
Okay, but this one was like she was good. She was till the end. She wasn't necessarily the good witch by any means, but like she was good with the group as a whole most part, and then at the end it like curveball came and it was like she was all of a sudden not good anymore. Before I tell you why, I'm gonna ask you a question. Okay, okay, So.
If you had to put my hand behind my back of the family feud.
Yeah, if you had a friend, yes, in your group.
I had a friend in my group.
Okay. That was that you found out was a part of a group of people saying things about you online. Oh my god. Okay, So may or may not have been you specific or it may not have been that friend specifically, may have, but they were a part of this group that were posting things about your friends, You and your friends on a social media site. How would you feel?
Well, we had this discussion when we hired that private investigator, and I said, if it ends up being yeah, someone in the fab, you know, like our little tight circle, like oh god, heaven forbid, it was like anyone of queendom, even though I was like, I would never talk to them ever again, right because that is so hurtful.
Yeah, So basically that's what happened. She's behind this, she was she is a part of a group, and they find this out like last season or last episode.
Basically, well, now I don't like her because I don't like people that go in mind and talk I mean things.
So it ended with a very it was fair, and at the reunion she had, she didn't get to talk a whole lot. I mean, they really didn't give her a chance to say a whole lot. I will be I will give her that. So I would love to know a little bit of what she has to say about it. But I think part of her defense was she didn't specifically say certain things about them, but she was still a part of.
The group going on.
Yeah, so that was it was kind of just like dead from.
Me, whether you said specific or not, you're still going on something to talk trash about a friend, Yeah, Like that's not cool and it's like for me, it's not even it's just anybody, any any grown adult. Well, first of all kids. I mean that's another thing too. I think that's but once you get to the age where you should know better. Yeah, like I would think that, like our kids would know better not to do that. But you know, a little a little grace for the kids. But if they're as adults going on pages and talking about whether it's a friend, it's even I think it's even worse. Well, it's obviously it's worse with a friend, but going on talking about anybody, whether it's a celebrity, it's just rude.
You don't know.
Yeah, Like there are things when I look at like I would I may think in my head, but I'm never gonna say this person's crazy, right and put it out there like that's just rude.
Yeah, And having an opinion about someone and then taking it to that level is where you get to the bully situation. It can happen, and that's where it's hard. I mean it was hard to watch this season because it was like, you felt I felt for her in so many ways, and she became friends with these girls, most of them, and then it was just like stopped in the tracks because they found this information out.
Was there like a ringleader that was a part of it more than her that?
I don't know. I'm sure maybe, I don't know. I would love to hear more from her and so and do you know, I don't know if you know the whole Like Ginshaw, she's the one that went to prison. Yes, that was on there. Yes, So it started apparently because she she was helping to take her down. She worked, worked with her, was her an assistant. It's a little vague how she was involved with her and she was basically helped take her down. Was it money again, like wire fraud? Ginshaw?
Yeah?
Yeah, wire fraud.
You know, how do people think they're going to get away with that?
I mean you'd think at this point if you're a housewife, especially because they've made so.
Many got so many eyeballs on you.
Yeah, I don't know. I truly don't know.
Like I get wanting to save money, like I don't want to pay taxes, and I'm always like pay Kevin, like what do you gotta do? You know what I mean? But like it's you got to do it, you know what I mean. He's like, do you want to go to jail, Yeah you want, okay.
But wirefraud is definitely I mean, her situation was definitely different. This was not like tax evasion. What is why where it's basically like taking people's money.
Oh that's awful.
Yeah, and I don't know all the details of all that she did, but yeah, I mean it sounds like it was a pretty bad, pretty bad situation. Yeah. So boy, anyway, it just made me think of that situation about only hired when we hired the PI, because it felt so close to home.
You know, for like a split second, I know, it was just a split hair of a hairy second, hairy second. I was like, if it's Catherine, oh god, that would break my freaking world. It'd break my heart.
I just can't because it was so personal.
I mean, obviously we know now like who it was, but like and it was in our group. It was a scorned person, but it was so just like they had information that I'm like, what.
It's one of those two When you're in this situation, it's like it does make you go, well did I say something to sus And it does make you kind of like freak out, like kind of like oh my god, did I No, No, I didn't even know that piece of the information, or like Nick did did did you know? But I remember being like asking, because it does it freaks you out, Like what if I was somehow I know it obviously wasn't me, but what if I was responsible in some way of saying something to someone right? You know? And then it's like, no, I didn't do that in it, but it's it's that position does not feel good for anyone, for you, for the people around you.
I could see how that would be like, because I mean that's me, I'm like, well, God.
Did I say? It makes you kind of let you second guess yourself. But then I was like, my God, like, first of all, I'm one has to clean this up, like.
The PI person the funniest not the funniest thing. But I think the biggest lesson with all that is one of the people in that that group or whatever that was, was you know, saying a lot of the lies. Was I was trying to I'm not convinced, but I'm like trying to tell this other person that was hanging out with them, like this person is like not, you know, this is a lie, like a blatant lie, and it's interesting how karma ends up working out and turning around because they they ended up seeing yeah you know that it was things started adding up and then I then was like it was almost like this validation And they never said it to me, but I heard from like the Great Vine that they, you know, aren't you know, friendly anymore because of just certain things that I had also brought to their attention. But you go, it all just kind of plays out in the end, you know, and it was like the sweet But in the moment, I was like, Okay, I'm not crazy because the first time, like am I Am I crazy?
One?
Like yourself? Yeah? So well?
And I also think too, that's why sometimes you do have to just sit back and let people figure it out for themselves. It's so hard. It's so hard. Trust me, I'm literally the worst at that. But I do think because you, I mean, I know you like said things, but you also did you decided to just step back from the situation, not let it affect you and just let it be like either they'll figure it out or they won't, And it's fine.
It's validating when people figure it out though, validating, But I.
Feel validated when I hear things about your guys. I'm like, oh, we're not crazy. Yeah, but anyway, so yes, I'm excited about Monica though I know how's filming the movie by the way, real.
Fasting emotions to even chat about it. Wow, okay, but I will eventually eventually. Okay, all right, well I'm running on e eyop. All right, let's take a break and then let's get her on. Okay, Monica, Yeah, are you born and raised in Salt Lake?
No? I was actually born in Boston and pretty much raised in Arizona.
Okay, why did you move to Salt Lake.
Because of my ex husband?
He was a husband?
Yeah?
Okay, yeah, how long How long are you with your ex?
Oh? See, my oldest is eighteen, so eighteen years.
You have an eighteen year old?
Yeah, she's almost nineteen.
How old are you?
I am thirty nine?
Oh wow?
Okay, yeah, I got pregnant very young. I got pregnant when I was nineteen.
We're just talking about that like early, really, Yeah, I mean she's a younger mom.
I'm an old mom. Yeah, I'm mean I have a fifteen year old.
We're both like younger than me. Don't say that.
No, I'm forty we're forty, we're older than you.
Yeah, you look like you're like twenty seven.
Oh wow, sweet, it's the camera.
No, it's.
Okay.
So you've been on Salt Lake season for this is your first year.
My first and last.
Yes, Oh you're done.
I didn't know that.
Well.
No, I'm just saying because I was put on a cool down period. I guess. So I've only done one season so far and they're currently filming season five.
Wait, so are you still on a cool down? Have they just like kept you on hold or where does that stand?
I don't know. If I'm on hold, I don't know. I don't know. I'll be honest, I don't know what what. I'm just here, not just here? Do you know?
Do you know the reason why you're on a hold?
Yeah? I do, because the other women all came together and refused to film with me.
So does it have anything to do about the account stuff?
You think?
Or?
For sure? But I don't think that's the real reason. I think that that was a easy and nice, convenient cop out for them to use. But I think if we're looking at everyone as a whole, I think a burner page was the least grievous thing that's happened to those women.
So yeah, so just take us back. I watched the show and I know most of the answers to these questions. However, okay, take us back. So how did reality Bontes start?
So it started because a group of us that you used to work with Jen or were done wrongly by Jen all came together after she had pretty much not paid us what we were owed and abused us and you know, was physically throwing things at us, and we decided to out her for her behavior and the horrible person that she was and how she treated her employees. And so that's kind of how it all started.
Okay, that was framed a little differently to me right in the beginning, because it made it seem like it was like friends.
Well that's where I'm going with the next question. Go for it. So then how does it then transfer into these other women feeling like y'all are speaking badly about them? Like does it? How does it change from this page about Genshaw to how they felt like they were being attacked by you on this page?
It doesn't. It's bullshit, And that page never came for them and they were never on our radar as far as giving about anything to do with them, it was all about Genshaw and exposing who she was, and they decided to be I don't know, so.
The other girls weren't talked about then on that page.
We never talked about them. Anything that was talked about them. This is where it's getting like twisted a little bit. We would reshare things that Jen would say about them, so then they felt like we were talking about them because we would post the awful things that Jen would do or say to them, pretty much saying, see, she treats her so called friends this way as well, this is just who she is, and that was something they decided to turn into the page is talking about us? Does that make sense?
That does make sense, and that does explain because even from a viewer watching it, you know, yeah, I just assumed that was the case, that y'all were talking badly about them, and I guess in the reunion they didn't really truly give you a chance to explain that.
I feel like they know exactly I don't. I feel Look, the reunion was brutal. It was very very chaotic. The women were ready to pounce. They had a mission and I mean, I feel like there was so much left out of the reunion, but I didn't need to explain that those women are very well aware of what that page was, what it talked about it. Like I said, I feel like and this is no shade at all to you guys. I feel like everyone keeps asking me this same question, and I don't understand why it's not being understood that the page did not discuss them. The page was about Jen and the awful thing she said about her employees, the afful things she did to her employees, and the awful thing she did and said about her friends.
So then where was the disconnect then, Like, what's the I mean, there wasn't.
A disconnect even at reunion. I said, Heather, what do you not understand? This page is just showing what Heather or what Jen said about you. And she's like, oh, well, thank you, and I was like, you're welcome, you know, I mean, they're very well aware. I think to act like you know, they were shocked at who was behind it was also bullsh I think to act like this, you know, collective outrage at this page is just bullsh.
Frankly, it really is, and I think it's fair. And the reason I wanted to ask that question is because, yes, as a viewer, I was not sure, where's the truth in here? Where's what's happening here? And so I think it's important for you to get to say that and understand you don't need to explain yourself. But as a viewer, yeah, I want to hear that part of it and like, because it didn't it didn't add up. Yeah, it definitely did not act. So I think that's fair.
Yeah, And I think that the women were probably more upset about other things and just put it all on the burner page as to why I shouldn't have been there, when really, you know, you have Angie k saying you park your range Rover under a car port and you fold your blankets and cheeto dust at home and you're not married and did it da da? Uh? So was it really about the page or is it You're pissed off that I'm here making waves and you don't feel like I should belong or be in your circle. So I just feel like there was more going on than a stupid burner page, do you know what I mean?
Yeah? For sure, And I mean, honestly, that's what I loved about you in the beginning of you know, the first episodes, I mean, like the perse situation that you know, it was, you know, it's very a lot of money obviously, and a lot of whatever, and she was trying to keep up, but like not, you know, and it was just very real and it was very Yeah, it was very good to watch and see someone come in and just be real about that, like do I need to go spend thousands of dollars on this purse right now? No, but I'm also trying to keep up with these women.
Yeah, and I do think that. Thank you so much for saying that. I do think that. You know, that was received and also criticized at the same time, like fifty to fifty people were like, she doesn't deserve to be there because she can't go out and buy a purse, And it's like, that's not what I was crying about or emotional about. I was emotional about feeling like do I belong? Do I even deserve to be here? Should I even be here? Do you know what I mean? And I feel like so many people, and honestly, you know, gay people, trans people, colored people, young people, we have all felt like that. And I do think that was the grand picture of what I was trying to convey, and I do think that that's why so many people were able to relate to that, but also why I was so criticized for it, which is, you know, pretty interesting.
Do you think it has to do with the fact too, that you know, you're beautiful, you're new, you were just you had a target on your back too.
Okay, so I don't think I am any prettier than like Winnie, I think is absolutely stunnying. I do think that the cast, you know, is pretty I think Meredith Marx is stunning. I don't think it's that, but I do think it's the fact that I was this new, shiny toy and I was the only new thing. I was the only new girl on this seasoned cast. So yeah, I definitely think there was hazing. And you know, you're you can't sit with us vibes for sure.
Well, I mean now that you're not, you're on hold from the show. Yeah, I feel like you're also kind of the person where you're gonna just say how it is regardless. So if you actually had a problem with Whitney or any of the other girls, you would go, yes, you would just tell them versus probably dragging them on social media or making a page about them. So like, yeah, is there anything you'd want to say to them or to go Okay, the know this is actually how I feel.
M h. I think I've been pretty open. Like you said, I've been pretty open with how I feel. I don't have anything bad to say about Whitney or Mary or Meredith. I think I've been very vocal on where I stand with Heather and the bullshit that is the whole Canisa situation, her hairdresser and just how all of that went down. And I think I've been very vocal on Lisa as well. I mean, I think it's funny that Lisa puts so much value on materialistic things and kind of you know, like the sixty k ring right when she's the one borrowing her jewelry and renting her clothes and sending them back after And I don't have to do that. You know, you have Angie Kay, who I just don't think is relevant, So I don't talk about her either at all.
Fair I love it.
I think it's funny. I think it's funny to shame and belittle someone for not having the same thing as you or parking my range over under a carport when you rent your so shut the fuck up, Like you have to take your shop and send it back. You know, I know your stylist in La raw died your ass out and you borrow your which is why you're scared if you spill a drop of anything on it, because then you have to actually buy it. Also, why have I never seen your closet?
And this is why I think that she should stay on the show.
I'm sitting over here going I was so confused. Why Bravo isn't like I know this is like you know, well, because the girls refuse to.
And I will say, I'm so surprised. I never thought that the women have that kind of power. I thought it was like, no, this is a show and this is a job, and at the end of the day, our goal is ratings and views and money and that's the bottom line. And so if you are with that, then great, But you're not going to tell us who we can and can't hire or keep on a show. And I was wrong.
Yeah, that surprises me.
I'm shocked actually, because I mean everyone wants to watch a little bit of drama on TV to get out of their own drama life, you know. So that's why the people enjoy it.
I mean, that's what Health Lives is. Like I said, if you look at Health Lives across the board, I didn't do anything worse than anyone else. Someone made this incredible reel of Heather recently saying, you know, Monica Sean the legacy of Housewives. She shot us on the network. She shot on the show, but then they played housewives over the years, and you have people accusing people of doing crystal meth and bathrooms, you have people flipping tables, you have people physically, you know, assaulting each other and throwing glasses, and it's like, what did I do? I didn't cheat on any legacy. That is the legacy, you know.
So it's that's true.
Yeah, yeah, And if we're talking about like ourselves, she was the only one that pissed on herself in a bus, so you know that would be her.
But anyways, oh man, so would you go back then if they said, if they asked you to come back, I feel.
Like they would not ask me to come back with this cast. I think that there would probably have to be cast changes just because the women are so like, no we will not do it, but I would go back. I just don't think that there's an opportunity for me to do so with this cast.
So what what is next for you that?
Yeah, you guys will have to see. You will have to see. There are some things coming up that I actually really am excited about and can't wait for people to see. I wish I could talk about them, but I can't. But yeah, I've just been pretty much going on an incredible gay tour around the country and visiting all these amazing LGBTQ clubs, and it's honestly been an incredible experience. They're amazing and they make me feel so loved, and they, you know, remind me of why I did the show in the first place, which was to show that, you know, you can have financial struggles, you can be going through a divorce, you can be a single mom, and you can have a crazy mother and still be on housewives, you know. So I think I think that was achieap for sure.
Speaking of I do have to ask, how are things with your mom? Where does that stand?
Oh? That bitch can rotten hell? Let me tell you. She just came out on Twitter with the most disgusting thing about me over Easter, like your mom yet yeah, she tweets the nastiest things about me, and then she'll be like I cry myself to sleep because I miss them. I'm like, you can stay missing, bitch, because you will never see us again. She said the most awful things about me. I haven't spoken to her in months, and I will never speak to her again ever.
So I don't I don't know the dynamic what was there was just something that was like, what was what was the big explosion.
He talks about me? So okay, so me. The most recent one was she.
Why do you why do you have a fault?
Like, why do you have a hard relationship with your mom?
Oh? Did you watch the show?
I didn't watch the show?
Okay, okay, okay, yeah.
That's a genuine question. That wasn't me being.
Yes, no, no, no, no, for sure, that was I.
Just didn't know if you really did.
For the listeners that haven't watched, like yeah.
Yeah, yeah. My relationship with my mother is very, very volatile, and it's been like that my whole life, where it's up down, up, down, and the highs are really high but the lows are low. Growing up, I think I hold a lot of resentment because she constantly had men in and out of her life, which means I constantly had these men in and out of my life. I talk about with my mother on camera actually about her leaving me in the trunk of a car one time while she was making out with a guy. Yeah, she's very very you know, she left me with a different family when I was twelve, in a different state. You know, there's just there's a lot of trauma that has happened over the years, but now what she's doing in present current time is unforgivable. She talks about me as a mother, being a neglectful mother, saying I leave my kids to fend for themselves and they're feral and all this, and it's just it's absolutely my I'm blowing. She talks about how I will leave and do these appearances and that it's disgusting that I will leave my kids for four days.
Well, that's a lot of her own shame and her own shack, you know.
Yeah, exactly. It's pretty funny to have a mother shame their daughter right for leaving their kids for four days, when you literally left them with friends for over a year. It's just it's very, very toxic. It's very damaging to my mental health, and I will never allow it in my life again. Never.
Good for you for recognizing that, because I was actually shocked that you had her involved on the show.
Thank you, because I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to say this, because so many people have asked me that. When we started filming, my mother and I were in a good place and I told production, I said, you guys are going to see some ship for sure if I record with my mother, because I knew our relationship right, But I did want to show that to the world because that is my real life. And I'm doing a reality show literally called Real Housewives, and that is my real life. My real life is this awful relationship really with my mother. And I was shocked at how many people resonated with that and felt seen by that. It went worse than I could have ever imagined. I didn't think it would go that bad, and truthfully, the show helped me completely sever that relationship with my mother. Watching it back on a big screen is a very out of body experience seeing how bad it actually is when you grow up with it and you're living it. It feels normal. When you're actually watching it play out and you're having the world comment on how toxic it is, it opens it up for you ways you never saw before. But then seeing how she also acted on Twitter online in real time was like wow. So you know, the show did give me the strength and honestly recognition. I was able to realize how bad that relationship really was.
Yeah, that's good. So take it back for a second. Okay, So the Genshaw stuff, we got to touch on this real fast. Okay, Yeah, so how did it come about for you to get involved to talk to the authorities and take us back to that a little bit.
Okay, So I never knew for sure what was going on with Jen. I knew that there was a lot of weird things happening, but one night in particular, she explained to me exactly what her business was. After that conversation with her.
And the business is I don't understand. It's like it was it like money laundering or well, there were like.
Several things like she was running a sales floor in New York. She was also like I think had licenses in like Wyoming or Idaho or something and Utah. I mean it was kind of it was statewide, it was multiple states, okay, but that she was running this scam with elderly people, which also you know, involved their credit cards, their bank accounts, money, all this kind of stuff. So it was more than just like one charge. It wasn't just like money laundering there.
She was telling you all this.
Yeah.
So what she said to me was she had a fight with Stuart and she was like, Sture, I'm looking done.
Is that her husband assistant? Okay?
Wait what?
Okay? And I know who Stewart was, So I asked her who Stewart was.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, her business partner slash like assistant right okay. So she was like, do you want to make six hundred that dollars a year? And I was like what And she's like, this is how it works. I have several things in his name because I can't have my name on all the business things. So I have several people put things in their names that I funnel all the money through, and then I give them a kickback of that money, but I can't have my name on it. And then she was like, it's kind of like real estate, how you can't be like the agent and broker at the same time. So to get around that, I have multiple people open businesses is for me in their names, and I funnel all the money, you know, the millions of dollars through and then I pay them a salary from that. And she's like, do you want to put it in your name? And I'm like nope. So then after that conversation, I immediately called my friend who worked in the Secret Service. This also got like blown out of proportion because they think I just called the Secret Service and opened a case against her. I got her arrested. No, I called a freaking friend for advice, as many of us do. He works in the Secret Service. For anyone that doesn't know the Secret Service, they don't just protect they also have like daily jobs that they'll go do when they're not like protecting the president or vice president or whatever. He literally deals with these money scams. That's what he does. So I called him. I told her what he said as a friend. He advised me he wasn't working on the case or anything. Get the fuck away from jen Shaw. What she's doing is hella illegal and she'll end up going to prison. That's when I got the fuck away and out of the situation. Then she was arrested right as everyone saw. I myself contacted the federal government, showed them what I had as proof, told them what I experienced, what I saw when what I was told. That is how I became a witness in her trial. That ultimately did not happen right because she ended up pleading guilty. That's the quick version of that.
How many years is she in prison for?
I think she got six and a half, but I think it's down to like five five and a half now or anything like that.
What was it for you when she went to jail? Was it a little like, ha, you got what you deserved? Or is there do you feel a little empathy like that sucks? Like? What is your vibe now that she's in prison? When you when you heard she was going to.
Jail, yeah, it was very validating. To be honest, I don't feel empathy for someone that was defrauding the elderly, many of which who took their own lives because they were robbed of their savings and the stress and everything from that for over a decade. I don't feel sympathy for that. I don't feel sympathy for someone that I literally saw abuse myself and my friends and also owed my friends and myself several thousands of dollars. I felt like it was very validating because so many people didn't believe us. So many people thought she was innocent or wasn't who we were saying she was. So it kind of just felt like okay, it felt like justice completely and honestly, it felt like okay that she got what she deserved.
And exactly again what we were talking about earlier too. It's like sometimes you just have to step back and then people will see the real person, you know, in time, and then you're like, oh, wait, I'm not crazy, you know, yes exactly.
It's like, you know, which suck because I did go through all those emotions of like where psycho, we're crazy? Where you know whatever? And then she went to prison. It was like, yeay, validated, and then I get on the show and then the cast makes you feel psycho and crazy, like I'm a worse person than someone that is sitting in prison for defrauding the elderly out of millions and dollars and punched you in the face like I'm worse than that. You know, you go through all of that all over again.
Well, thank you for sharing all of it, and you know, I would like to see it play out, but you know, we're excited to see what you know you have coming up and you can share, but everyone follow along with Monica and and we'll see what's next. So thanks for coming on, my gal.
And I just want to say thank you so much for having me. I'm literally fangirly. I love you and I love your podcast and I have for so long and I thank you. Guys are amazing and I'm like an honor.
Oh you're so sweet.
Thank you Monica. I appreciate that.
Yeah, it's true. Thank you You're sweet.
I love it.
I love you, Monica. Thanks friend. Okay, my girl Sea.
You know that elderly stuff is so sad because my I was just talking to my dad about it and he was He's like, yeah, grandma has like fifteen credit cards and I'm like, wait what because you know they and then something else happened there day too where he's like why are you paying? He's like, well, this person said that they need like two thousand dollars.
You know, but that's they give them.
Yeah, because it's and it wor all says that oh you owe like it said I owed like three grand. No, you don't pay that, grandma. You don't know who that person is. You're not giving them three grand you know. But that's just they think they have a bill. Yeah, let me get their little.
Check book out, you know.
So cute.
It's so sad, though, like that people actually put these things in their name, like that Jen convinced people to put these businesses and stuff in their names. Like, it's all just crazy to me.
Yeah, and that people like won't rat you out, you know.
I'm just like, it's crazy.
On top of all of that, and then also, why is she not on the show?
That's what I'm saying. I'm just like, but here's the thing. I truly, I'm so glad I got to ask her those questions because yes, she did say some of that in the reunion, but when you have a whole group of other women saying basically that she's not telling the truth, it's really hard to see where the truth is, you know. So I lie, I really wanted to hear her side of it. Yes, I know she said that she just reposted or whatever, but I can also see where that is hurtful sure on that end too, because that is still saying so, I mean, I I'm glad she got to explain that, but I can also see where that was a little bit hurtful to them as well. But it's also not what it seemed either. Yeah, so I know it's interesting, but yeah, it's also interesting the women have that much control over who can film.
No idea that that's wild to Yep. So well, I enjoyed that though until next week, Idea