Jana is reunited with her DWTS partner Gleb Savchenko and secrets are REVEALED!
The reminisce about the past, analyze all their relationships, talk about marriage, kids, dating and the future.
Plus, find out how Jana and Gleb prepared for one of their dance routines that involved a bed.
We go deep inside their most intense fight and all their passionate training sessions.
And Gleb offers Jana valuable advice on how to co-parent while you’re unbelievably angry at the other person.
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Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast. You know, it was so depressing about last week's show, was what you just said to me? You went home? Yes, I'm so sad about it. I went to my twelve year old, my nine year old, and my five year old was the five year old. I just nine. I was like, guess who I just talked to. They're like I was like, Shaia Twain and they're like, that hurts my heart. It's just because we're old. We are young. I'm trying to think they like with my parents generation, like if they were like James Taylor, I'd be like, yeah, James Taylor is amazing. Do you know, like Richard Marks, Like hello, love Richard Marks. But I don't know if everyone I don't know that's still a little older than us, really right, I think it is Richard. I mean I know who they are, but what everybody our age don't know. It was just sad. I was like, you know, from like the nineties, oh wait, oh wait, you weren't even anyway that was excited. Um. The Memorial Day weekend was a good time. We had a little pool party. I got a little sad. It's hard being the single girl around like husband and wives. You know, it's kind of like, oh, I get that this is this is nice. But then at the same time I had your husband grilling, I had Sais husband picking up dog poop with some plastic bags. So it was like my rental husband's. But no, it did like I got into a weird funk, which I started to feel bad about because I'm like, this Memorial Day, people have died today, and yet I'm in a funk because I'm lonely and like sad that I don't have someone with me. Well, I think that's okay. And I think that especially for someone like you that just loves couple of things. I love couple of things, a couple of nights, a couple of this intentional nights, Like I'm a couple of person. It's going to be hard, which I'm like, I don't even think I saw my husband yesterday because he grilled the whole time. So like, but I'm also not you know, but I get it. I knew you were a little I could tell. It just makes me sad and not And here's the deal, Like even at parties before I like when someone checks in with me, like I don't I don't want the person like hanging on my side the ensure time, but I like it check in. I like someone to be like, come and grab you a little bit, like that's just me, Like I want that, and I never got that, so like I'm the same time part I'm kind of like, it's not like I really had that anyways, but it's still like knowing that, Yeah, I could write, yeah, I mean I get it. I do get it, but at least with like that group, like the guys are kind of like your brother's so it's kind of like, but I get it. Yeah, speaking of brothers, I fight. I fought like brother and sister with my next guest, and that would be the one and only Glove seven Schenko Glove. I'm actually really excited to have Glab on the show because he was my Dancing with the Stars partner and he's never come on the show, and I'm just excited to talk to him because obviously he's going through life changes as well, and I think, um, he's in the waiting room. But I have to just have to let Catherine tell this story of like not the first time you met club, but what was happening? Where are we at That's what I was going to ask you. I think there's New York. Were we in New York? No, No, we couldn't have been in New York because it's New York first, and this was at least a couple of weeks. And surely this dance, Oh yeah, this dance was like the like the fifth last dance I did. Why were we We were some in some hotel take it away? Oh god. Um. I don't think it's like vague to me, but I just remember we were somewhere at a hotel and I had my own I mean obviously, you know, I had my hotel room, you had your hotel room, whatever. But somehow I think it was your hotel room. I don't know. Somehow we end up in my hotel room. And they have to practice their dance, you know, and they have like certain hours and they do all that, you know, they go to the studios or whatever. But they needed like a few minutes to just practice their dance. We needed a bed, oh yeah, because the whole routine was about being in a bed. So I'm like, it was hard to do it on the floor because we need an actual bed. So I'm like, so we go to the and I make you come because I'm like I don't want to be like in bed with him, you know, like, so I made you like be there. That's what it was. But it was like a sweet So I just remember that it was like a separate, separate bedroom and I was in like the living room part of it while y'all like practice for a little while. You're like you just stay in there for a little bit, like like just trust me, Like just stay in there for a little while. And then you're like hey, So it's like what are they doing? And so then you're like, hey, come here, come watch for a minute. And it was the bedroom scene dance which everybody remembers, the shower scene, the showers of the shower. It was in a bedroom. Now start in the bed and then like we roll around. Is that I came in there and they proceeded and me, I'm so awkward anyway, especially with like physical talk. Oh my god, I don't ever try to hold Catherine, say just a guy. So I'll look in and they're literally rolling around on the bed and I've never been more uncomfortable. And literally, anytime I think of Glad, that's all I think about. Yes, terrible. Well, let's bring him in high glad. How are you do you remember Catherine? Hi? Remember Hi? Good morning? How are you doing good? How are you? So we were just talking about I wonder if he remembers I mean, do you remember when we did the shower dance and we need it? Who can forget a shower dance? I know he remembers that, right, But remember when we because the beginning of that dance, we were in a bed and we're like, we need a bed. So I was like, well, let's go to the hotel room. And then I had Catherine and I think tarn was there too. Someone else not in that Yeah, it was like a several people there. I remember in my mind I was the only one. But I just remember like, first of all, okay, there, I have like so much to talk to you about. Let's just start with that dance. Though, Um that was like I I was even uncomfortable and I'm like a pretty you know you know, but like that dance in the bed was like like sexy. Well listen, the original idea was I wanted you to start with two other guys, right, and they did not approve that because they the show and whatever. So I was like, Okay, well, how can we can make it work. We'll just put you alone in the bed, and but it was, it worked, It worked out perfectly. It was great. Oh my god, glad. I totally forgot that you wanted two other guys. And I remember being like, I'm so uncomfortable that this is the show that my dad is coming to. I actually have a video from a rehearsal somewhere because I didn't have two guys, I had three different girls were like doing it and I'm like trying to portograph choreograph on them, you know, So I have this video of them doing the thing. It was. It was. It was thank god we didn't use that because it was it would have been terrible. Thank god. No. Yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm glad that it ended up the way that it did. But I do have to say like the fact that my father was in the audience at that dance, like you know, we did like the cute little like jive and we did this, that and the other, and it's like that's the one that he sees like like would on the line when it says, come on, give me a taste, Like I still I still to this day, like, can't watch that dance because I'm like, oh my god, like, how did av see approve that? I know, it was crazy, but it was crazy. It was crazy good. I wish we could have done actually that dance as a freestyle. Yeah, it would have been so like epic and so sick. But I mean we did get our first four tents, and Pitbull even gave us. And I remember I was so stressed because I was like, you know how it is. We finished on the show and like in my head, like I already started chotographing the next dance because I have to teach you a little of the next day. And you we got a first dance and you were like, let's go and celebrate, and I was like what, like celebrate what? Remember that? I was like, I want to celebrate. We got on first hand, and I was like so caught up in the next thing. I was like, nah, let's just keep pushing. And that's when we were like I had a little, a little not a fight, but it was like what no, we definitely we had our first fight after that those four tents. Remember it was the next dance. It was like the oh my gosh, what it was like the washer dryer scene. Yeah, that was a samba samble, which I hate, I hate. I hated it to my core, like hated it, hated it. And we had to rehearse that. You were on tour and we were somewhere like in that weird studio. We had literally nothing, no windows, it was darker. It's just bad. Yeah, I remember we so and I've said again what did you do? Then the stars again? You know, wait, would you be my would you be my partner? Or or no? I know maybe we'll pair you with Alan. Um, I would do it one of you're my partner, okay, no nobody else Alan, now nope, no, no, because we we deserve a do over. Okay because you got sick? Yeah the last um you draw at me on the on the finale, it was the worst. Like we were we were in the top obviously, what did we make it? We're top four? But then it's like I screwed so bad? Like could you write like I got sick like really the week before and I also got injured. Remember how like you who did you rehearse with Alan? Yeah? Yeah, you flew to New York with Alan to rehearse some kind of dance, and I mean also, it was so exhausting for you because you were on tour. You just had Jolie literally like six months before you're like looking after a baby. You were doing dancing all the stars. What. I cannot have imagine how you did all of that at the same time I was separated from you. Were hurt too for like a while, yeah, like really bad because I remember coming to visit you and he could not move. I'm like, how are you dancing? Yeah? The second week, we remember, we were up in the red what is that called the Kissing Red Room, and he was like showing me something and I just I mean, I my innercostal muscles or whatever. I basically tore them. And I mean since yeah, I mean for weeks I was injured and it hurts. I can't that I can leave you remember all of that, because I actually I remember, but I didn't know that you actually didn't remember all of that very vivid memories of my dancing with the stars dive. Um, yeah no, but I I have I feel like I have to like take back something that I've said, because I've I've said that you were mean before. I mean, actually, it's so funny because Nicky Glaze and just told me the same thing. And I never think of myself that I could be mean. Look at me, I'm the nicest guy, the nicest Russian, Like, no, I can'not be But she told me the other day, she was like, you actually will really mean. I don't know. It was it like a language bearer that I would say something to me would be normal that like you know, I demand like if I saw you one straighten your leg, it's like I would expect you to do it all the time. And that's why I want to correct it because I think, um, you were tough, and like I love tough, but I think, yeah, I mean, it might be the language barrier a little bit too. But at the same time, you're like you always make stronger like stronger legs, and it's like, dude, I'm trying, like I am not a dancer. I know you're trying to make me ad answer, but like I I wish I could do the I wish I could look like Jenna and Emma and all those other girls and Whitney. But I'm like I I'm like literally trying my hardest, and I think I've I've talked to like Bobby Bones about this, and you know, Lauren, you're you know, your previous partner and you know where it's like you go in and it's like you're so excited, but then when you hit like the second or third week, you are just so mentally and emotionally just like just wrecked because you're like, I suck, I'm not good at anything. I'm the worst. Like and because it's just and you're putting yourself out there and it's it's it's embarrassing. Then you've got a Russian screaming at you things you know, stronger legs and like, I'm trying listen. It's sometimes here's the thing us as pros and I actually I've learned this along the way. You know over those years that you still want to make it fun for a celebrity. You know, you don't want to kill completely kill the vibe. You you she will never become a professional dancer. You know. It's a balance of two things. You want her to enjoy the process, enjoy the competition, but at the same time you want to push her, like so you don't want to always have fun because it's not gonna get you anywhere, you know what I mean? It's still but it's about so sometimes like when I work, I kind of forget about it and then started just drilling and drilling and drilling. And when it goes over and over and over and for you, like you said, you're not a professional dancer and someone there's dude every day for eight hours a day, it tells you that you suck. You kind of get annoyed too, you know what I mean? Like you're like, well, I'm trying, but you know so, yes, So now I'm a little different. I'm actually making it more fun for my partners. Because I was your first US partner, right, No, you were my second. Wait, because your first one was Li. Did she just say an interview that she's in love with you or something, or that she wishes or something about having sex? She said, we had an emotional connection. No, no MSR or something like that. I don't even know what it means. Like I was like, listen, we gotta to learn some She said that she wished she wished that she slept with you. Lisa vander Pop said that, oh I love Mesa Lisa Vanderpup. What yeah, that she wished that she's left with you. Well, first of all, we you know, she's married to Kim and I love Kim okay, and I was married at that time. So and like, I mean, here's the thing, Like I don't all like you he can do it right, Like do you wish that you slept with her too? Club? What? No? I mean, I I will say though, like I love this conversation. By the way, this is amazing, this is so fun. We're happy to have you on here. But I will you know, it's you're very intimate. I mean, for example, like our shower dance and other dances and we are up. I don't know if I like knowing that because it's like and essentially you're falling in love in a dance, right, Like we had to be act and be emotionally connected to each other and sexually connected to each other. And obviously we had really good chemistry. But if I was like, like, I don't think I could handle one of my like if a boyfriend or a husband, I don't know, because it's like you you have to have that, Like I don't know it was. I mean, it's like listen, it's like acting, you know what I mean. Chapters Mary, they have family and then you know you book a movie where you have to be naked making out with a hot dude and you're like shooting somewhere in Canada for four months. But it's just acting, you still, you know, it's it's not real. It's like you're transported in a different world. So you want to create that illusion, you know that. And you do have to have chemistry with I think with your partner because it's important to work together, you know, like you'd so much time together every single day. Um, you don't want to hate each other, you know. But kind of like with the acting thing though, it's almost like Gleab is the normal actor and the other dancers are not, which is a conversation you have with people all the time. Like when you're the actor, it just feels like a job, but if you're not a normal actor, it doesn't. It's so true. Yeah, for you, it's a lot easier too because you're an actress. Like even though you're doing something completely foreign to you, like your dance saying, but you're putting yourself in character, you know what I mean When I told you, like you have to be all this like icy like that. You know you're doing it even though it maybe it's not like perfect or whatever, but you trying and when you're actually putting yourself out there like doing it, committing to it, then it looks like a dope freaking dance. Yeah. No, that's so true though, because it's like I always talk to people and I'm like, it's so not like it's just acting and there's no like, yeah, you have chemistry, but it's not. It stops there when the scene ends, you know. And um, yeah, so that makes that makes total sense. What you're saying to I, who is your favorite partner? You don't have to say me. It's that you are my favorite partner. You are my favorite partner. You know it. If we could go if you could go back and redo our stuff, you know, our season, what would be different that you would want to take into I think because here's the thing. Like when we were on the season, I was taking a week at a time. I was just like, this is our last week, and we were on the bottom to six times, like every time we go from week two, we're on the bottom two and we never got eliminated. So I was I thought, we're gonna go home every single week. Now, what I would do differently, I would just face ourselves, you know, like I would take it slow, like you don't have to do your best best work every single week, even though you want to try it, but sometimes you don't want to stress about it. And because I was stressed, so stressed that I got sicked, that I got you know, exhausted, that I got weak, and the whole thing just fell apart. Even though we made it fine, we could have been, we could have want like you could have won it. You're that kind of work material that actually can win the show. That's why I want to go back and like redo it. And then do you remember this is the funniest thing. I don't know if you remember this, but I got we got into a fight. You called me a E I T H. I remember exactly how it was. I will remember exactly how it was to be so late, and it drove me crazy because I'm like respect my time as well, like I have my kid, I'm separated from my husband, Like I'm like, you know, I was like stressed years that I know, So it was like a semifinal something. It was still that was in the end of the show. We have this master interview. Master interviews you huge interviews, so important, right, so important hold one production like temp producers on set all this like lighting this set up for us. And I'm late for about thirty four, like literally late for the whole thing, just because I was in wardrobe fighting them over Janna's dressed. I didn't know that, yeah, And I was like, no, we'll have like and I had this whole conversation with them. I was like, I'm going to be late for this mastering me like no, we we're gonna do this and this and this, and I know how like she would look beautiful in this. So I sit down and she gives me this attitude la it I did. I was like like at least like anyways, she snapped like she said something really annoying, and I was like, you're a bit like. I was like, and she oh my god. It was like she everybody kind of went like oh uh. First of all, like I'm sorry, Okay, I shouldn't we have already. I know, I know we were just we had a lot of high energies. Out of the room, she threw the mic sort of stone out like I ran up. I was like, okay, what do I do? Shoot? So I ran on the street. I stopped for the cameras followed that like some babe, we are in it together, let's do the job, let's just dance, let's just and they've never actually they showed a little bit of it, but they've never actually showed the whole thing. Yeah, I mean they showed, and I was I was glad they didn't show mad at me, you know, And I have to apologize to because I I had so much going on with like my ext just coming back from rehab and like, you know, the baby and the stress and the show and like. And then I think when when you called me that, I was just like no, no, like and then and I wanted to win two. I wanted to make you happy, and I wanted you know, I wanted all of that. So it was I think it was just we were just when you spend that much intimate time with someone and work and there's so many emotions, and then on top of it, like you had your family stuff going on. I had my family stuff, and it's just it's a lot, you know. But I would I would do it again, minus the bitch com I would do it again. I would do it all again over. I really would. It was it was. It was a good time, who is your least favorite partner? Can you tell me it's only just us three? Well, here's the thing, I don't have like a least favorite partner. There's always comes like I love everybody, you know, I'm thinking pretty much staying in touch with everybody. But when it comes to dancing, like if you can say, if you can tell me who like probably was like the least experience dancer and like with a lot of challenges that obstacle that came my way, I would probably say Nikki Glazer. She's so cool though, and I love that y'all just like went out, you know what I mean. He cares about dancing. So I would be like, if I would have to choose between this and this, I would take definitely Nicki, you know what I mean, Like a I don't want to manage that other people's names. But do you have like a celebrity that if you could just pick someone to be your partner? Well, I don't know, help me out, let's brainstorm. Let's right now, you don't have like a dream person that would be like the ultimate dance partner. Honestly, no, I don't. I don't know, because well we'll figure that out. For you. It really depends you can be here's the thing, Like you can be an amazing dancer where you can be very like flat of no personality, you know what I mean. You can have a huge personality and really dancer. You can be kind of like, you know, dancer but teachable and likable and famous with great personality that you know. So it's like a balance of everything. So the perfect personally who can win? Got it. It's funny that, like every time Glob gets a new partner, I secretly get like kind of jealous because I'm like, because it's such a fun experience, Like even through all the ups and downs we had, like it was still such a fun experience and like to be able to do something that was so out of my comfort zone. But yeah, I do I always get a little like, uh, like because I'm like, I want to go back and do it. Um. But I will say, you know, throughout the years, you know, we haven't stayed in like in touch a lot, but I will say I I greatly appreciated, Um, you reached out to me when you heard about my break or my my breakup, and it's just like you've been You've been so sweet and kind like through through it and because you know you've walked the same path, and I just I really appreciate you reaching out and you know, just kind of helping me, um with with you know, questions, because I was asking him one time, like how do you do it? Like how do you like? How do you co parent? Like when you're angry? And how do you like because you're you're going through that. So I just appreciate all the support that you've you've shown me. Yeah, it's life. You know, life happens, and we just keep moving. You know, you gotta keep moving. You just gotta do what's best for you. Um. You know, in my situation, we I love Elaine, I respect I have huge respect to her. Um. Of course she's the mother of my kids, you know what I mean. So, UM, it's hard at times because you know, no one's perfect and there's always but you have to communicate. There's a conversation, you know. Um, when it's in the early stage, I feel like it's really hard to do because you can't really stand each other, you know what I mean. You're like, I don't want to see your ass at all. But because you have kids, and like you know, we we just decided that we're not going to speak about like anything, nothing negative in front of the kids. You know, regardless of what's going on. We can have an appointment with a lawyer and the mediator and have a huge, massive fight in the morning, But when we're together with kids, like you know, I pick up a living from school and I take her to a dance studio, and I see her in a dance studio, we're cool, you know what I mean. We laugh, like I get her flowers from Mother's Day things like that, you know what I mean That I want to show my girls that how that should treat their mom, which is really important to me, you know, because they should know that how they should be treated in the future, you know what I'm saying. Like, so that's important and everything else. You know, it is what it is. Do you feel that you're kind of on the other side of it now, Like do you are you Are you happier? Do you feel lighter? Like do you feel like you made the right choice? I mean, here's the thing, Um, it's not about making the right choice, do you know what I mean? It just it just happens. Whatever supposed to happen happens. So It's not like, you know, like one day you wake up and you're like, Okay, I don't want to be with this person anymore. That's it, right, It's kind of like it gradually. It's it's you know, a long time coming, you know. So there's like a lot of issues that we were going through try to make it work. There's several times like broke up and live separately for a little bit and tried to make it work. I tried my best to make it work. She tried for best to make it work. There are certain things like when they're like I don't know, like when the energy is not there, there's no there's really nothing really just kids holding you together. So that's that becomes the end. I'm curious to like on dating, because you know, it looked like you had moved on quite fast after the breakup, you know, and we were just having this conversation where it's like she asked me, like when would I want to start dating? By the way, no, I know, not now, but like you you know, use some girl went to Camba with you and like you were guys were like, you know whatever, and so Katherine was asking, She's like, when are you going to start doing and I'm like, I feel like there's this like timeline that like we're supposed to you know, not move fast into relationship or not you know, go to the next one. But at the same time, it's like if you meet someone, then it's like why would why would I push out a beautiful person in my life just because the timeline says that I should probably take more time or that I shouldn't move too faster. Where where like your thoughts on dating and kind of moving on? Um, how was Miami? By the way, it was so fun. Nothing happened, but it was so fun. So I mean that's listen, here's the thing. You see, Like you went to Miami, you took your time just for yourself to enjoy your friends, with your girls, have fun, like sometimes you even need to date anyone and just have a good time. It's all about the energy surrounding yourself with the people you want to be with, you know, and having that like recharge yourself, like find yourself back, like have that you know, wake up in the morning and be excited about life, you know, and have your way of doing things, not like you know, someone tells you that you have to do this and Okay, of fine, because you don't want to make this person upset or something, you know what I mean. Um, dating if it comes, it comes, if it's not like it's not so it's not like you wanna go and like, oh now I need to date. No, you know, you just I don't know, Like I don't have we actually thought of it. Um, the cowboy thing, Um, it was just a good times a little bit. And you know, well listen, here's the thing. I tell you this. When you're married for fifteen years, and you were married for fifteen years, I was married for fifteen years, there's a lot of spouses support right there. Yeah, well you know it. Come on, we're like man to man speaking like, Yeah, that one's I'm not ready to talk about that one. And I'm still it's a little bitter about that one. Yeah, but anyway, so listen, cowboys beautiful. But I want to go to Tuloom next time. I've never been to Tuloom. Let's go. That's friends, friends, like true, they just took that one and ran with it, levenge and and go to because I had so we just but I mean, listen, what's wrong with that? Friends? Yeah, we've danced on the show for four months. We've stayed in touch, like what's right, Like when you're in the l A, let's go to dinner, And I would love to go to dinner. Yeah, no, I would love to. I'm going to be there like a week or so, so yeah, I would love to see you. And you know, I'm curious to, um, what are you? Like, what are you doing now? So that the show starts in fall right this year? Yeah? Okay, so and are you for sure going back? Well I wish I want to, of course, but we don't know until the very last moment, you know how they pick up grows until like literally two days before we have to start rehearsals, like we have no idea who we're going to be dancing with, and like our partners will all get stressed and excited. Yeah. So yeah, I'm excited for it. It's an anniversary season season thirty. Oh that sounds fussy. They should have done like a like an All Star for thirty. Well here's the thing. If you go back in the All Stars, like they will never pairs together. Why I don't know, because they like to switch it up. See I would think people would want to watch. Yeah, the same people be partners again. That's why I would watch. I mean, we would definitely kill it, like it would be so good. What's so, what are you doing then? So if you might do the show, obviously you will because you're They would be stupid if they didn't have you back on. But what what else are you doing? Like are you still teaching dancing or I mean this whole COVID thing really kind of kill the vibe. With tour, we didn't have tours, so we did last season, um with no audience. We had to take COVID test every single day, literally every single day, no Saturday, Sunday. Um, and we're supposed to go in through. We usually after the season we'll go on tour for about three and a half months and um, this time we didn't go. So I start, I had to do something, you know, I gotta hustle. I still gotta you know, dance and teach and you know, perform. So Um, I've been teaching a lot of online lessons. Um, I'm teaching. There's new really cool spot in Malibu called Roughs Lounge. I'm doing every Saturday saws the classes there, which is still fine. There's a lot of people, Um, and it's just survive. You know. It's a cool vibe. It's outside, it's right looking over the ocean, right across from Nobu. Just it's super like I really enjoy it. Um, So when you're in the LA, we should do that. Yeah, I should do that in l A. That would be so fun, actually said Saturday's Saturdays. Yeah, you can give us all the lessons you can. I have a private lesson private tonight. But looking over the beach. Please yeah, I'm not sure after being spoused to support, you'll do that. Yeah, I'll for free for you all do for free. It would just be fun to like dance again, you know, like I it's a good workout like that would just be that would be really cool because I I really did enjoy it. If there's one thing that you've learned throughout your divorce, everything with the kids and justum, Elena, what's what's one thing that like you want to do better at and as a person for the next time the next go around. Uh, listen, the thing is my kids out priority for me. They're everything, you know. I feel like, Um, when I worked and there was in the season and I was doing tour, we lived together, we always had like live in nanny with us, and you know, her mom would come in out. I would spend less time with kids, and then I spend now and we're splitting custody with her, so there are five days with me and five days with her. Um. I would want to be more present for them, you know what I mean, just be even though I was present, but I would love still too obviously, like besides work, like do fun stuff with them more so instead of like just you know, nanny's taking care of them, like I would do it myself even though I did it. I don't know what I'm saying this, Like I just like it's good, it's enough, but up, I wish I could do more. It's just like it's always not enough when I like with with my girls, like I feel like I want to be with them a little bit more, you know. No, that makes sense for sure, but you're also providing for them too, So it's that balance you have to walk, which also like I would take And here's the thing that I think this is really important. I would take more holidays together, you know, even without kids, just you know, with like like I don't know, like l A and like if I if I speak back right, Like with her, I would go more like just take our time together, like go to like romantic dinners and like go um, you know, holidays, just two of us, do something fun stuff like do like some crazy activities like go and take a road trip, just two of us. You know, if you have a chance to have kids with someone and they you know they've been looked after, like do stuff fun stuff for for yourself because sometimes like you get caught up and work so much and you don't spend time together and you kind of stop losing that you know that's fun, Like you still have to have fun together. Yeah, this is I don't know why I started thinking about this when you were talking. But for your next relationship, next serious relationship, would you are you done having kids or would you have more? I would have more? You would, yeah, because I was because I was talking with the girls and they were like, I'm like, well what if you know, and They're like, well, what if do you want more kids? And I'm like, oh my god, I've just never like I've never had to think of that conversation or have that Like I never thought I would have to have that conversation again. So I mean obviously I'm not kids. I don't know, Like I don't. I'm old, I'm having miscarriages, you know, Like I don't, but you know, like I know, we talked about this last week, but I just I don't know. I just I don't think. I don't. I don't know. Maybe if I met the one and you know, but again, I'm mean to have a kid. I mean I feel like it's I mean, it's not easy, but it's kind of easy, right, But to actually be with the you know, with the kid and be a good parent and like commit and like you know, just spend all of your time with that person. Just it's really important to me, you know, So like if I wouldn't be able to do that, like if I'm working and I'm like busy, Like what's the point of it, you know what I mean? I really want to experience that. I really want to enjoy that moment. I think that's important for sure. If there's anything I was one thing that I would love to experience is like I've never been able to like whenever I found out I was pregnant, there was always like something happening or like in my relationship. So it would be nice to experience it in a healthy and happy way and like celebrate it and not be like, oh my god, you know, like because I was happy, but like there was always something behind the scenes that I didn't know about or I had just found out about. So it would it would be nice to not have any of that energy and just be like we're pregnant, like like what you're supposed to feel, you know. So I think that would be the only thing. How are you feeling? Like goes in waves, you know, Like I'm I'm the only thing that gets me is like the other night, I was super overwhelmed. I don't have any help. Um uh, And you know, the kids only go to school twice a week, so the other days I'm in Jason's only half days. So it's just it's hard, and you know, there's I had a I had a partner in this before, and so one of the days, it was just a really really really hard day. The kids were just being difficult and I had a lot of work to do and I only have like a few hours during that time to get that work done. And at the end of the day, I just started crying because I'm like, I didn't ask to do this alone. You know, like I I wanted my husband. I wanted my partner to do this with me like this, this doesn't feel good to like feel this frustrated and you know, have so much mean, you should see my house. It's like it's a mess and it's but it's like I'm I only have so much time, and it's I just feel like I'm kind of like depleted a little bit, and I need to ask for help and and you know, do that, but it's it's hard, and I get upset because again it's like I didn't want to do this alone, Like this isn't what I wanted. I didn't want to be a single mom, you know. But it's not that I miss him because I'm very happy. I'm like how you guys co parenting, I'm trying to keep the distance because I just think it's better for us with less communication, So putting the kids first and trying to keep because you know, like you said in the very beginning, there's a lot of emotions and it's very hard to uh be the bigger person when the person that hurt you is not nice. So I just now know what I need to do now and just I'm just distancing myself and you know, we're I'm doing I'm I'm doing my partner being nice and that's all I can control. And I'm just less communication than better right now, right, Yeah, but it sucks, you know, but hopefully one day when all the emotions wear off and you know, we can be friendly. Right But because I wish, Like I look at some couples and I'm like, they're like going on vacation together. I don't. I don't want that, but like, but at the same time, that's kind of cool. You know, maybe who knows, Like, let's try to be adults and just get along. Yeah, you know, I love I should take some time probably right, But I appreciate your friendship. I appreciate you, and um, I'm excited to see you in l A for a little tango and lunching lunch. I'm down for it. Thank you for coming on wind Down. Where can our listeners find you? Um, you guys can find me on Instagram, Glibs of Chink Official, g l eb suf Chin. You can find me on Twitter, um gleab underscores Uchenko and where else you can find me. Malibu. What's the Malibu classes? Yeah, you can find me Malibu Roughs Lounge just Rops Lounge, right across from Noble every Saturday at the eleven the m I love it. Okay, thank you, I will one of the weekends I'm not with the kids. I'll come okay, okay, so much love to you, and um, I'll see you at the All Stars Okay by glob h. We're friends again. I know, we've been friends for all He's so sweet. It's just yeah, he's he's a sweetheart. It's so crazy. They're like, how our lives are changing around the same time. How long has it been for him? Probably like six months? Maybe, yeah, it was when it was when the Last Dancing Stars Chris was his partner, and then they're the whole headlines about them. But there's a couple of months ahead of you, okay, a couple of months ahead, which it really didn't mean a lot when he reached out, because yeah, it's I will say. There's one person, a freend. Well, she was actually a really good friend. We're not really friends anymore. Actually haven't talked at all. But you realize who your friends are when you go through that. Because I didn't hear one word from that friend that still blows my mind. Not one word, like I heard from people that don't even know you, just checking on you. Yeah, like every and even like Taryn, my hair makeup lady, like she was like I had friends texting me. I know, so I know she knows, like she's in the industry. She knows, but it's like, how like yeah, so that that kind of hurts my feelings. And I've yet too, because at this point I'm like, I don't need like it doesn't make sense. It's still hurtful. It's hurtful. Yeah, it's definitely hurtful because I would reach out and it's like a good gleb and I aren't like besties, but like, you know, he reached out. Like it's just so many people reach out. Nice to know that people care, and then you realize that people that don't really care, well you're better off. Well that was a really good episode. Thanks Catherine for coming on and reminiscing about the bedroom scene. Oh my gosh, so many memories from that time. Oh that was fun. That was really fun. I'm gonna try to post some old videos from Dancing with the Stars because yeah, you know, like I don't know, I miss it so that'll be like, I'll put some stuff on my page, um um, and we should go to Tuloom just like a big fun everybody. Let's all go, let's all go, book your tickets. Wind down crew, See you guys next week