Ep. 10 Handmaid in a Country Song

Published Jul 16, 2018, 7:00 AM

This week, Jana reveals one of her deepest secret anxieties, that will blow your mind when you hear it, and she changes a listener’s entire life with some incredibly honest relationship advice.   Jana and Jen make good on their promise to binge watch The Handmaid’s Tale, and we have one of the stars of the Emmy nominated show in the studio to break down what has everyone so obsessed.  And you won’t believe the crazy year Maddie & Tae have had, but we’ve got them in-studio to get the real story on what happened with their record label, and hear some secrets about their relationships..

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Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast. Jan You're back. Oh my god, I missed you, missed you too much. I was no idea I really missed you. It was we're not having you on the show last episode. It was super weird. I know. Um, but I was in Nashville for a week and then I went to Michigan for a week for fourth of July. So cool. I saw you were at the Cherry Festival. I loved it. Yeah, it was so fun. Um. I had a few friends that were there. Dan and Shay was playing, and we have a place close to Traverse City, so I was like, let's go. What did you do for the fourth I feel like I haven't talked to him? What did I know? I feel like it's your liver. I did Oh my god, did I did, Janna? When I missed so much? Okay? On June twenty second, I went in and had my complete torso light boat stop at the Beverly Hills. That was fast. You just went in for a freaking complication. Yeah, elite body sculpture. They tore us. They light bowed my whole Torso. I was awake the whole time. And guess what what Saturday morning, I was up, went to breakfast, went to coffee, so I went to a kid's birthday party, went to an adult birthday party at night. Where did they like, did they sew it back up? Or like I didn't even have stitches where they stuck they stuck it out from your or they use a tiny little heated laser metal rod and it's just these little tiny holes. I was. I'm completely healed. I didn't even get a bruise. I didn't bruise nothing. How many cookies have you hateen? Since? None? And it was like, how much did you lose? Like almost eight pounds and I'm still swollen? Wow? Gone, bye bye worth it, totally worth it. I feel so good. I mean I thought you looked amazing before. I love, thank you, No, I just needed I feel really good. I mean I'm swollen, but um, I feel really good. And it kind of jump started everything for me. And it was a really awesome experience. That's great. I'm happy for you because you like you're just like it's like a wait has been lifted off and you just sound to have to hear. So I love, it feels really good and I'm really I'm really happy that I did it. I really am. Okay, well, I'm happy that you did it for you and that you were happy and that it went good, because I was. I was just scared of the did they put you down here? Laughing gas? The bomb that was. I was awake the whole time. I was awake. That's crazy. I'll show you video. I will. I have a video and if you want to see it. But I was going to text you and it, you know, And then I was like, oh, I'll just wait until I see her because it'll be so much more. But I love that. Hey, I have something I have to bring up because I was talking with Amy about it because I was telling her about my anxiety and just telling things, Yeah, do you know that we both do the same thing. We I I don't ever drive on an expressway or a freeway and she's like, Jen doesn't either, and I was like, no way. I thought it was the only WEIRDO. Wait a second, you have we have the same thing. I've never in my life have once gotten on the four oh five or the one oh one or any other expressway without someone else in the car with me. I cannot drive an expressway or freeway or whatever you guys call it alone. I could do it maybe for a little bit with someone else's in the car with me, but I still sometimes like we'll have a panic attack and have to get off. Oh my god, we suffer from the exact same thing. Now I have I have a question. Can you drive the freeways in Michigan? That's a really good honestly okay, So when I'm in Nashville, I can drive it from there's a certain point. I can drive it from my Brentwood location to downtown. But there are many times when I have to get off on an exit because I start to get dizzy and then oh my god, I'm having a painting attack. So I but I and I now have like decided or have tried to talk myself out of like you're fine, You're not gonna have pantic attack. But worse, sometimes it does it. It makes it totally worse. So I end up just taking like Franklin all the way down or just like I'll take Venture all the way down here, like I just I won't get on it. I just for some reason, I just have such anxiety. I don't like getting stuck in traffic. I want to be able to have an exit strategy where I can get off and not be stuck, because if I'm stuck like the you better call the National Guard and get me airlifted, because I will like knock on someone's door. I mean, there was a point where I remember one time when I first moved to l A. I had to get out of my car on the expressway and get help and I called nine one. Sounds like wow. I started to pass out. I just get I freak out, and I'm just like, so, so you can drive it and somewhere else, just not here. I can drive in Metro Detroit a little bit here and there, but I prefer to take like the mile roads there here. I've been on the freeway maybe three or four times in the fourteen years i've lived here, and that's with someone in the car. One time I got it. I got on the freeway on accident and I was like, oh my god, oh my god, I'm gonna die. But I really I think that can we have somebody on to talk about this? Why do we have this bobia? I don't know. I mean I would love to have someone on, you know, just an anxiety specialist or something, because I remember I started to work with a therapist. That would be like, Okay, drive on the expressway from exit to exit, like you know this exited this exit, and then it'll get better and better. But for some reason I just got worse and worse, and then I was just like, screw it. I don't need to put myself through this when I don't have to be on this expressway right. And what about when Mike's driving, Oh, I'm totally fine. If he's driving, I'm like the best, like the shotgun writer. Well, I will say this minus the fact he I was it's mad at me because when I see someone breaking in front of me, I'm like hey, and he gets really mad at me. So now I just usually make up a song. I'm like la la la, la la la, Like if he gets really close to the car. But no, he's good. He's just like he's aggressive and I'm aggressive too. I'm like the main streets. But yeah, I mean, if we were stuck on traffic on an expressway and he was driving, no problem, I'd be like in my glory day sitting back on Yeah, super calm. But if it was me, oh no, I mean when I was in Nashville, I had my girlfriend. I was driving with Leslie. We were going to Green Hills. I had to pull over on the side of the road because I was like, Lesia, I'm getting dissiy, I need to drive, like I can't do this. I was trying to be strong. I can't do it. You just can't do it. I can't. I feel your pain, and I always do. I'm glad you do because now I don't feel as alone because there's there's a time to This is what I say in my head. At any point, I can stop my car and get an uber and that helps me a little bit. Oh that's that's good. So that like helps knowing that, like I can pull over, park my car, called an uber and drive me to the next point. Yeah, I wonder do you think anywhere else? No, really, I have no other anxiety. But people drive so fast on the on the freeway out here, and that's where I get so scared. Yeah, it is scary. It's like it just almost become I'm frozen, and that scares me because a frozen car on the freeway, it's not a good thing. But now we should we definitely should have someone on so we should get amy on that because I mean Amy won't even go up an elevator or on an Airplane's got all kinds of weird things. You're so elevator alone. I mean, I don't know how she could never live in New York. Um, yeah, no, I know, never unless she wants to get some really good butt workouts and flights up. So I want to tell you that I finally watched him neids. Do I did. I've been watching over the fourth of July. I know you did, And I have some questions for you for me about this. Okay, Yeah, I was just wondering and um, number one, did you love it? Oh? I's so dark. I love anything dark. That's the thing where at first I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna like this, But then I'm like, oh, I'm gonna love this once it got into it because I just it's so dark and twisted that I'm like, give me more. Well, Also, did the relationships stop trigger anything? I'll say this, anything that's related to my situation is always triggering. I'm like, I said, like with the tryst, and I'm like that's so you know the kardashi Like, how can a Kardashian drama trigger me? But it. Did you know how it can like you know, I mean, it can be there. Anything correlated with it makes me and I you know, if it's even in a movie. Like we were watching something their day and they said, you know, um something about an affair, and I was like, and it's everywhere. So I'm like, I'm constantly like dodging like things and having to like, I mean, now, the good news is is that I don't oh, like you've made me feel these things, and now I'm able to just be like, okay, and then it goes passes. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely it is triggering, for sure, but I'm at a point now where I can watch it and enjoy it and enjoy it and just be aware that you're feeling that way just because of those are your feelings, and not take it out on him. That's good. Good. But I used to be I used to do that, take it out on him for sure, right, But you've had all this growth, you know, you're more, You're so self aware now. But I love the fact that Rita is she's she knew she can't be a mom on the show, but she's a mom to two boys. So I'm excited to kind of see what, you know, the differences so cool and whose side is she on? Oh, I don't know, that's tricky. Yeah, but I just love something like for myself. I love being able to like what I was like, it was my time away. I was like, hey, am I going to watch this like you? You get to watch your like he watches the show called The Last O G And I'm like, I'm going to watch head Maid still leave me. And then right that you gave yourself permission to have some meat and it was so great. I mean I blamed it on work. I was like, I'm interviewing me like Amanda. But at the same time, I was like, oh, I'm like loving this meantime. Yeah, you need to schedule it in. I think I'm going to just like I have my Wednesday nights. You need to have your you know whatever. You're very true you Saturday afternoon, when I was also thinking something today to um what I was, he was asking me about my day and I was like, well, you know, filming the podcast and recording podcasts and I have to go pick up a few things and I really really want to get my nails done. But for some reason, I had I didn't tell him because I didn't want him to be like, oh, I have to work and you're gonna get your nails done. I'm like, why can't I just why do I have to feel bad about getting my nails done? I haven't had to nass On and over a month and a half like why can't we why? Like for some reason, I felt like I couldn't say that because then he'd be like not that he would, and he wouldn't at all. He'd be like, absolutely, babe, go do your thing. Like he's the most supportive about like my time, but I have a hard time making my time my time. That makes sense. It's mom guilt, is that what it is? It's mom guilt. It's but it's not about me not mind to see Joey because I just had two weeks with her and I'm like, I need a minute, but yet I still have a hard time giving myself that minute. So this is my first step was the handmad style and now and you are working, Yeah, but I mean to me, this is fun. You know what I mean? I know and he's said, you know what I do my Instagram stories? But whatever, Remember I told you guys, I think it was episode one. I was saying that I'm so boring. Only watched like mom stuff. I watched like, you know, Puppy Dog Pals and The Mickey Mouse Club, and I said I needed to find a show, and everyone told me about Handmaid Stale. Whoa, I have beene watched it, and I'm so excited that I have Amanda Bruegel in the studio today. Hey girl, I okay, let me just say this. So when I first saw the image of Handmaid Style, I thought it was going to be like little house on the prairie, I know, because like the like it was like the hats and like you know what I mean. So I was like, I don't know what it was. I just thought it was going to be like a little house on the prairie. It is not a little house on the prairie. Girl. It took a turn for you that day. It's like, but I like love dark stuff. Well then you're good. Yeah, Like I mean, I I binge watched over the fourth of July, and I really love your character because it's like you you play Rita. Do you wanna tell the listeners who haven't watched Handmaid Stale? Well, I play Rita and Rita is uh, Martha basically Handmaid's tale, don't you can't have kids? You can't have kids, And so the Handmad's tale just women that are fertile are taken and forced into being made a sort of cattle breeding cattle. And the women that can't have kids Martha's are just essentially cooks and cleaners, were sort of the slaves of the houses where the handmaids live. And so I live in the main house where the main handmaid, who's Elizabeth Moss, lives. And the crazy thing about that is, but you do have two boys, so you're like, I know, you get to play like two very different roles. I know, I know, I know. It's just fun, right, It's it's God, It's so much fun. And I love the idea of not being a handmaid. See, I have a theory about my character. I think that she is fertile. I think that she just happened to pull a fast one on them just so she could. Like, if I were to do it, I would probably be a Martha too. You're a cook, you're a cleaner. You don't get ceremonious, like, you don't get raped every month. It's true, very true. But like if it was more like of a little house in the praise, which it's not like he would want to be like the they're not just like the cook and the cleaner. But even though I feel like being a mom is a cook and a cleaner and you know what I mean, like they take everything from No we do, we do do everything, We do everything. I know it's the worst and it is crazy dark as a mom too, so but no, it's when are you going to let your kids watch? Never? So my kids knows that. So I'm Cannadian, like, okay, where in Canada? From Toronto? Okay, oh I love Toronto. Yeah, I'm from Michigan, so I like we'd go up there the same. We're like nineteen yeah, yeah, you must have loved it well and my kids don't. It's not really like there's not posters everywhere like there are here and it's not really you live in Canada, live in Canada? Yeah, yeah, like Canadian does it? Is it not? But they have Hulu in Canada. No, we don't know, and we will watch it. It's on like a sister program called Bravo, but it's on on Sunday nights. It's a little more obscure there, So my kids don't really I'm on another kids again four and seven. Oh yeah, yeah, there's so yeah, that's yeah, yeah, that's but they don't know, like I mean, they know you're an actor's obviously they do, but they think that I like, they think that I just go and I put on a dress and I go to work and I do like I put on dresses and then I come home. Like they don't really know yet, and that's I'm happy with that exactly what I do. Exactly what if only they knew? Yeah, I know, I know. So they they they're interested and they're starting to hear more about it. I guess. Sometimes when I drop my one son off at school, the teachers haven't meltdown like some of his teachers like either start to cry or they panic because they like they're meeting you. I mean, it's like, well it's I mean the people that watch it and I get it now, it's like you become like a cult. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. It's intense, it really is. I was on the street. I mean, it's nominated for everything. It's like who knew Hulu? You know what I mean. It's like, right, I'm like in the beginning, you're like, oh, Hulu, that network is Now it's like nominated, I mean is like I know, I know, and I know, and the nominations come out tomorrow the next day. Yes, yeah, fingers crossed. Yeah, everyone's going to get No, I'm not, but like, why would you say that. I think you're amazing, But it's not for you. That's so nice if you But they're so many more people like I feel like Yvonne who plays Serena Joy, It's like, I think she's going to get her first nomination. I hope she is. Alexis bladell and out Elizabeth, like, I think everyone's going to kill it. Well, I'm rooting for you guys, because now I'm like a super big fan. What's your favorite and least thing about your character? I love I love um how quiet she is and how sort of silent it is. She you say a lot through not talking. Yeah, and I love that. And it was hard at the beginning. At the beginning, I was like, am I gonna just chop vegetables all the time? Because I'll do it. I mean, I'll do it, show me the paycheck, I'll do it. But I'm not gonna be like but yeah, but like I grew to love it because as an actor, you just just sort of rely on your words and you don't really it's a lot of headless, sort of weird heads just floating around with no bodies. And so I really started rely on physicality and stuff and I put rocks in one of my shoes to give her more of a limp, and I have like, I started leaning on stuff to create more of a three dimensional person through eykelity. So I love, love love that. Um. The on the flip side of that, it's hard sometimes when you're playing someone who is so mysterious, you can get not bored of it. But I'd like to know. I'd like to know a little bit more about her, Like she's even so much of a mystery for me personally that I'm like, what's your favorite color? Right? Right? What do you? I would just like to know a little more about her, And I think that's going to happen in season three. Do you have a say, like do you get to talk to the writers to come to say like, hey, this is what I would like to see her. You just are kind of like just thankful, I'm happy to be here kinda yeah, we do. They're really they're crazy collaborative. I'm just honestly, all of us are just happy to be there. But there they understand and they listen, but they also have a vision, Like they're so specific. I think they have like the next like nine years mapped out, so they they already know where they're going there. I mean, as an actor, it's like to know that like you're on like an insanely hit show, I mean, and then to know that like you've got years to come. How freaking lucky you are? Yeah, I'm lucky. But none of us know, none of us or saying I think the only person that's say really is Elizabeth and but every all of us, like they say all the time, all of us could go at any second. And that's so mean. I know, I know, I know some brownies I made for y'all. I know. I'm just so happy to be here and so grateful and I love my trailers. Yes, no problems at all. Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, but it's like on the side, they're like, what are you doing? Like because for me, like, um, I was on a show called One Tree Hill and it was great. I love my character, but you kind of for me, I was I got a little board getting the mundane, even though you're so grateful and so happy, but it's just like, okay, now this becomes a job. So are you doing anything on the side, Like you're doing a movie once a year. I do that, and I also do a Canadian series as well. It's a comedy in the summers. It's like my summer, so I'm living here for the summer, but I fly back and forth to do that. What's that called. It's called Kim's Convenience. It's like The Cosby Show, but with Koreans in a convenience store, so it's nothing like the Cosby Show. I don't know why I said that, just the culture. Like a lot of people I found in the eighties could relate to the Cosby's as a family and loved them, um even though they didn't look like them. The same thing with this this show. It's just a bunch of Koreans being crazy. I love it. So you're able to have like a different outlet and kind of get away from Rita totally and that totally, And I came from comedy. I only had done comedy really before, Like I did a movie called Room with re Larson. Oh yeah, I did a couple other things, but I but comedy is sort of my thing, and so being able to really go back there after something so dark like Handmaids, it's good. It's like summer camp for me. So I love that. That's so that's so crazy that your comedy. And then you're like a Handmaids to I know, and not speaking and so mean and angry all the time. What does your husband think about? Do you even bring that home by accident? I'm kind of like that at home, especially at home a little bit. If I have to chop a lot, I don't like topping. I don't like doing. He not help, No, No he does, he does. He'll help barbecue, okay sometimes years fifteen years. We got married young. We did it young. I'm like, you your right, so the forty one, so we got like younger than that. That's really just like she's like by the way I walked in and I was like, you're a Barbie doll, talked in human Barbie doll. So you know, they made me do this because they're like, please don't look like Rita and embarrassing on the streets. Um, but uh no, he loves it. My husband's a police officer in Canada and so it's a very different we have very obviously different lifestyle. So it's like he's living the real yala, like really messed up situations every day that are real. And I come home and I was like, oh god, it was so hard at work. And he's the one who grounds me because he's a bit like, really, none of it's real, right, And us have two boys? Two boys? Are you done? Or do you want your got done? You didn't want to No, no, I did, but it's over. The party's over. I'm not doing anything. It's the worst. Two pregnancies. So we were talking before um we got on air and I was telling her. I was telling her that I'm pregnant and I've been really sick and I was still throwing up. And you said that you had hypoamesis. I did and she had she were you do you have the tubes in your arm that Ivy went to filming? I did when I was filming. When I was filming a different show. It was a comedy. It wasn't funny at all, but I would be still this is King and every every morning and makeup because I found for me mornings were really really bad, and by the end of the day the medication kicked in. But for me, the medication the side effects with the though frand I just got really like loopy and kind of stoned. So there was like this high pregnant lady on set. It worked for the character, I guess, yeah, sure, totally, and it's yeah, so I wouldn't even though I did it twice and I love it and I love my boys, They're so great. But there's no no, I'm not doing it again. I totally hear you. I'm this is my second and I'm done. So yeah, I'm done. Did you have it before? I was really sick with my daughter Jolie, But this is by far the worst I've ever been. Terrible. I had a girlfriend is now taking a side track, but I'm going to tell you anyways, I had a girlfriend that she did it for her third She was hospitalized at like I don't know, the twelfth week, hospitalized all the way until she had a baby, like in hospital, couldn't move, couldn't sit up all. Right. Well, then we're a little grade Okay, Yeah, let's be grateful for what we have. What's the worst thing about your marriage. Okay, the worst thing a time if you're married to if you're married to someone who does shift work. And I didn't know this before signing up, but ladies or gentlemen out there, I just really think hard when you marry someone who does shift work, because you're never they're never there. So what does that mean? Like shift work? Like like shift work? Um? Like who doesn't work for like a nine to five His shifts are like he'll sometimes start at eleven o'clock at night and then come home at seven am in the morning. And when you have two kids or just even when you want to see each other, I'm up all day and he's and when I'm sleeping, he's up. And it's just it's that's the most difficult thing, right Is he able to fix that? Or No? No, unless he quits so he could be the one cutting shopping things. Yeah he could, but he was not. That's probably not his No, it's not his jam. I think he just wants to run with a gun all the time. So weird um, because yeah, I'd say that's the most difficult thing about us. Otherwise, um, the balance, like balancing each other. I think that if I had married, if anyone is married to an actor or someone in the creative field, that's great. But I think two people in the business at the same time it can be good. But the situations I've seen it go like crazy. Yeah, I've never I've never been able to make it work. Ever. I dated like actors and I also did country I dated. It's like this never works. You dated country, Well, so no, I used to be a country I'm a country artist and I've dated a couple of country artists too, and that never works. Yeah, and there's a lot of like jealousy behind the scenes and like so much. Yeah. I just dated one actor and I remember booking something. It was Friday Part ten. It wasn't even that good. Like if you're going to be jealous and he needs he's jealous of the Handmaid stale Now he is, I know he is, but he he was like I he couldn't be happy for me. I was still in university. It was my first job, and he didn't talk to me for a month. He was like, I don't answer my phone, Like don't call me, don't We're just gonna have to take a month break. So I accepted it, and I was like, well, maybe this is the way it goes when you're dating an actor. No, it's just not normal. It's no, it's not. But I will say, like on the flip side, like I was really jealous, like when I was dating someone and he was like headlining stuff, and I'm like, I want to be headlighting. Really, you know, I don't know. I just I got jealous. But were you younger at the time I was hanger, I was in like and had yeah, and I like, like I had had success on like other sides of things, and so it's just I don't know, yeah, yeah, And now i'd be like happy for someone. But I like the fact that my husband has has something different. But he does that shift work too, because he was in medical sale, so like he doesn't like some days he'll work, He'll leave it five thirt in the morning. We'll come home to like eleven o'clock at night and I'm like, hello, I've done this that And now also like bade their child and fed in and then I'm frustrated and he's like, well, I'm tired too. I'm like I don't give a crap, you know what I mean, Like I'm a different time, Like my soul is tired from these children, is what I tell him all the time, Like, I know you're physically tired, but my heart is tired. Well, I tell him this, I go, I feel like my daughter abuses me throughout the day, Like I'm just like, she give me so mean sometimes, like psychologically, well, like she's she's a toddler. So she's two and a half. So it's like, you know, when she gets mad, she hits me, and I'm like, Joli, you can't hit mommy, and like she's just like her like temper tantrums. I'm like, I feel like she's just like she tears me down sometimes. Yeah, no, I know, yeah, I know. I have my four year old does that and he's I think I said three before, but he's four. He just turned four. I forget his birthdays because he's the one I don't He's the one I don't like um, but he he there are times when I regret him so much and he's so wonderful. But also no, I could have done without him. But I always say like I can't wait to put them to bed, and then I'm but at the same time, like, oh I kind of miss I don't want to go in I said that to a friend of mine. I go through the whole day, and then at the end of the day, I'm dying and I just have one glass of wine and I'm clenching it and I'm throwing them in their bedrooms. And then I go downstairs and then I just look at pictures of them for that day, like what is wrong with them? I know it's so bad. I will just I just want to say that I am just like so excited to have my wine again because it's like, yeah, it's tough to drink wine. Yeah, no, I know, I didn't. I try. That's my piece, that's my time. It's not even my piece, it's just my it's like brushing my teeth. It's just part of my day with the wine. Being a mom and I'm like, I have grandfriends like, oh, I don't drink every day. I'm like, you will when you have kids, you will. And when you have to, Yeah, it's you have to. If you don't black lying like you're lying, you're doing trusting everyone trust them in that person, there's just no trust to be had, and it's so much more fun. It's fun for everyone. And I'm not advocating being an alcoholic mom. But I am because everyone has fun that way. It's just it's it's it's fine, it's our thing, you know. Well, I like I. I so appreciate you being on the show. Um. I think you're fantastic. I think you're beautiful. You're a great role model for kids, and you're on it's your mom. What's you get mom? To all the alcoholic moms out there, we'd love you. We stand with you and haymates tell season three ones are coming out October. We start filming, So season three comes out next year. Where do you guys filming in Canada? Oh my god, that's so great. I know, I don't have to go anywhere, which is like I'd like more rather film here because it's warm. But also my kids are in school, we have a routine, my nanny's there, so it's great. I love it. Yeah. 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Okay, So Amanda was by far the sweetest girl ever. I'm so excited that I got to meet her, and I'm really really really pumped. I mean, this has just been such a fun day, so so much girl time because I have two of my favorite girls in the studio right now, Maddie and te and I love the fact that I got a sheet about Maddie and team, like you guys. I don't need a sheet about Maddie and Tay. Like I know everything about you girls. I love you girls, I mean so much to catch. I was like we started kind of talking the halls and I'm like, ship, we just have to stop because this is good stuff. I'm going to tell you two fun facts about Maddie and Tay. Um. The first is, so, you know, like when you're pregnant and you give birth and you're in the hospital and you know, management usually sends you flowers and then like you know, it's just like it's like, oh, that's sweet, like my labels, let me flowers, or oh, let's sweet my management, and then I get a beautiful bouquet from Maddie and Tay is a huge deal. You should get flowers from everybody. But I was like so sweet. I mean, that was just like it was literally like cut c sectional and I was like, oh, Maddie and so like I would just I will never forget that. It was like the sweetest thing, and I was just expecting flowers for the second round. Give us that for my hospital. But the second one is they have a song on my record that they wrote called did you know This Easton and by the way, Easton's gonna jump into because he's like a mad like mad tape, like he's so excited. He's like, all right right now in the corner. It's like But they wrote Boomerang, which is on my thirty one album, which I loved it. It was like so rock and roll and sexy. It was. I remember we got to play. I can't remember what show it was that we did together, but use a radio show, right. It was a radio show. I think it was in Seattle or something. It was with bits. I know it was freezing outside. It was freezing and you were pregnant with Jolie, and um you sang Boomerang and I was like, man, you worked it. I was like so grateful that you cut that song. Well, thanks for letting me have it. Um. I don't even know where to start because there's just so much, like I want to talk about, like everything, but let's start with the label debuckle. Yes, okay, So they jo so and listeners. They were on Big Machine, which is Scott Borshadow label. Well there was dot. It was like a version of the Big Machine label, the Taylor Swift label. Everyone calls it an imprint Imprint and who else was on Dot Early Bears, Straight White, Um, Tucker be third, I think Steven Tyler, Steven Tyler, Um, I can't really remember. So, I mean they were I mean your guys, you know, Girl and Country song was. I mean, that song blew up so fast. You guys were an absolute overnight sensation. I mean you have to have felt that too. I mean you were on every morning show and late night show. I mean, it blew up huge, wild. I didn't realize that it was huge, No, I just I was like, Damn, that's huge. That was all we knew. Yeah, we were just like it was all we knew at that time, Like we didn't know how cool it was until being on the other end of things and seeing what it's like to not like have all that stuff going on. Huh. But I mean it makes you appreciate it now. But I mean we were only nineteen when all that happened, so we were just like we had no idea what was going on, just pretending like we knew what we were doing. We still don't know we're doing, let's be real. But it was hard to find time to stop and smell the roses. Honestly, it was just you know, it was every day which were very grateful for now being able, like Maddie said, to look back and realize, oh okay, that's not that's not the norm or a brand new artist to kind of have that right exactly that success. But it was crazy. So what then happened? Where was the fall? So in yeah, December, well it was technically very very beginning of two thousand seventeen, but we had actually gone in to start cutting our second record, our sophomore record, December of two thousand sixteen, so we were like, all right, we're gonna release our second record on this label. Everything's luncky dorry, It's fine, let's do this. And then very beginning like February ish is when we kind of got the news that things were Yeah, so it was basically I don't we don't know the business side of it, but the label folded so we were left with like just we had no idea what to do. So has this confusing like joint venture thing where basically Big Machine partnered with Universal and that's how Doc came about. So Universal had the first rights, like the first right of refusal for us, so instead of all the other artists, you know, they all went to Big Machine, but since Universal it was a COVID. It's so confusing, like so yes, yeah, other imprints like Republic or Valerie or whatever. So basically we were just waiting for a while, like is Universal going to pick us up? Like are we gonna have to go shop a deal or what are we doing? And then Universal was like super pumped and really wanted um to you know, make this record with us. But it was this weird, like three month period because it's like we had to wait a certain amount legally to sign stuff. And then yeah, it was just months. Doesn't sound like a crazy blog and like not being on the charts exactly staylevant? What do you do to let people know, Hey, we didn't fall off the planet Earth. Yeah, and so you know, three months doesn't sound like that long, but it was. And especially it's almost like you start over a little bit, and we were already starting to make our second record, and we already already wanted like a rebrand, you know, to show that we're not eighteen year old girls anymore. We're twenty two. We wanted to create a new, more mature record, and so doing all of that and starting over completely on a new label. Was just it was amazing. It was exactly what we needed. It was the blessing in disguise. But at the time it was just like, oh my gosh, just this kind of take forever. That's what I felt like. We always compare it to like, you know, this music industry is such a little bubble and it's really hard to understand. So it's like if you get laid off from a job, and like sometimes your self worth gets tied up in your job and so you think, oh, if I'm not working or I'm not working enough, or someone else has a better job than I'm a crappy person. It's like, no, it's that's just the situation. You're just going to figure out another situation and move along. But like that whole it just doesn't feel good. But and I want to say, I really appreciated your vlog that you did about that feeling because I remember, like, you know, when you have such like Why I Wanted was my number, Like it was my first single and it was a big success, and then I had huge and I had some you know, failure songs that didn't really climb the charts, and then you know, got the boy was huge, but it after that it was like back down and being like, why am I not charting? Like I just had a huge top five like and then now I'm like and then it unfortunately success equals how you feel about yourself and you don't feel good enough and you're like you like I nobody and I'm this and that, and then so hearing like seeing your side of like the depression and pain that went wrong because it's it's hard. Well, the thing is with the new So we finished the album with UMG, we're going to release it, I think either the end of this year or early next year. We're super pumped about it. But if we didn't go through that, and I didn't go through my depression and all that funky stuff, we would not have written the record that we wrote. So it's extremely personal, extremely raw, and the only way that that could have happened. So this whole year, I feel like has been just a big learning lesson, like there's always purpose for pain and whatever, like you're if if it's if you have faith in God, if it's just whatever it is that keeps you going, like just I on the prize and just don't get discouraged but it's so much easier said than done. It is, isn't it? And you get it can be very confusing, and you two are so young, you two have learned that you are not what you do. Yeah, biggest lesson, thank you. Going through this is the entire reason that we learned that. But I also think, you know, moving out we've moved to Nashville from our um home states when we were seventeen, so by ourselves, our families were still in our home states, and so I think just it was an accelerated growth, you know. And I think just going through a lot of jumping into the music industry so green, so naive at that age, really helped us. But we didn't learn that you aren't what you do until until this entire thing so hard, I mean, I still have a hard time, Like you're going to always like fight with that. It's a choice. It's totally a choice. Like and the comparison game too, Like I have to I have to unfollow people and it yeah, you gotta do it, like I can't. You gotta do it. And then I'm like and I get jealous seeing people headlining things and I'm like, wait a minute, Like what like I have to unfollow. And the crazy part is like the person that you're comparing yourself to is comparing themselves to someone else. So it's like it's this whole cyclical crazy things. So I've I've unfollowed people that I'm like, it's nothing against this person, whether it's a you know, an actor or whatever. I'm just like, I just feel badly like myself feeds the negative. So I'm just like, I try to keep it clean. How do you guys not because right now, you guys have an incredible song out and by the way up North hous jamming to it friends. The song is called friends Don't. I think it's so catchy and it's so it's so true. It's just like friends don't do that, you know what I mean. So it's like, what you're doing this and that? But how do you not define? Because country charts are the worst things imaginable. I mean, it's incredibly hard to get on the charts. It's incredibly hard to stay on the charts and then make your way up. So how are you not defining? Like chart success for the success of how great that song is definitely impact on the fans. I feel like it's very easy to look at a chart and get so wrapped up in what number and who's you know, getting ads and who's not getting ads and how many ads are you getting this week? You know, But the moment you step on stage and you play to an actual crowd and you see the connection being made, that's enough for me, and that's enough for us to just be able to be like, Okay, it's reaching somebody. If it's reaching somebody, it'll reach their friends, It'll you know what I mean. I feel like our purpose is being served if we're able to actually sing a song that people relate to. But it is hard to like, so hard because like right now, I think we're fifty something and it's I mean, the single looks really healthy, and we've got a great team behind it and everything's great. But like whenever you see your friends that are just like crushing it, and like you're like, you want to obviously celebrate others, but you're like, I want to go kick some mass too, you know. But patience is a virtue. I feel like I just I can't look at the charts because I'm just like, Okay, we we did our job, and our job is to make music and connect with fans and do that and now you also do your job. Okay, managers and labels in the room right here? A team, I mean, it definitely is. It's it's teamwork and it's hard. And where have you guys? You have to tell me that you guys have thought. Wait, okay, you're not gonna you're not gonna believe us, don't. I don't want to hear you. Guys have never had one fight. We disagreements, but we've never yelled at each other. Nor it's never been catty. It's always been like, why do you feel this way? I feel this way because this it's it's actually very grown up and respectful. You can ask anyone in our and you know it's crazy. It is like everyone's, oh, they're two young girls. They fight, are are like they're the guys fight more than yeah, band guys they yeah, Like I mean, our bands amazing, But there's more drama with them than there ever is with us. With us, But with us, we have so much respect for each other and like we we go by the golden rule, Like I'm going to speak to her the way that I would like, Yeah, I don't, I don't ever want and I think it's such a balance. We're definitely the being to the yang, Like she's her personality and my personality and we work well, very two different personalities. And I would have always thought that you were more of the quiet, quieter and you're very like you're very you know, and it's like, I'm so introverted, crazy. I love it so but I think you guys are great role models for girls out there, and you too too. Um, what's the biggest pet peeve? Then you gotta give me something about Maddie. Yeah, oh oh, I can tell you know, I can tell you my biggest pet peeve. I think I like to think that I have a poker face this gal call out. No, I'm being dead serious, Like I'm very I won't say guarded, but I'm reserved and I'm very private person. And I like to think that I can hide my emotions when I'm upset about something. No, no, no, no no no. It makes me so mad. But she's like, I know something's wrong, wouldn't know it's and she doesn't want to tell me, And so I'm just like, whenever you're ready, Like I just staring to herself. Yeah, really have a pet peeve. Oh shush, I'm like really trying to think because I mean we've been together for seven years, so that's incredible. By the way, So and like friends and we still hang out like off the road on the road like we like we're just best friends. It's almost more sisters where it's like that close where there's no like no one's going anywhere, like we are in it to win it, exact family. At this point, you don't have any fears, like tastes gonna be like tomorrow, she's gonna be like a soul artist. No, it's funny. I know she knows I would never do that either, just like worried it to win it. But um, I don't know. I don't really have any pet peeves. And I think it's because we've been together for so long that if there was a pet peeve, like I've already gotten used to it. Yeah, so I don't really know exactly. I know what I actually staring to your soul and figure out what's wrong. She does, and she takes a wrench and she just slowly opens my heart up, and I'm like, you just got gaged. Yeah she did. I'm so excited. We clapping like there is a Maddie end to day. Um so how long we got together? For give me the whole scoop? Yeah, forever? I feel like, right, yes, So we've been together since we are sophomores in high school. So I met him like a couple of months before I met or maybe what a year before I met? Yea six months I feel like yeah, not yeah, six months. So I So we were together and then broke up for a year. It was high school, so you know, and then my senior year, like he was like trying. I don't know, I was still like madly in love with him, but I was like I was trying to play matchmaker. I'm very bad at playing, but I would keep trying to set her up on these dates and shoot my pet peeve, I'm a very bad match makers. There we go. I knew you could find one, but I was like, no, you gotta try this one, try this one. She was like, not Jonah. Every single time I would say it's not Jonah. And so then my senior year of high school we reconnected and got back together, and I was like, well, I'm even to Nashville. Also, do you want to just like, you know, call it quits. You go to college and he's like no, and so he gave me a promise ring and had this whole spiel and so we have stayed together and like I still like get giddy around him, and I'm like if I still have a crush on him after seven years? I love him and you like him. I know, he's just a good one. So his personality is almost identical to taste, like very like even kill like relax, laid back, but just yeah, but weird. That's so sweet, we know, not weird. When do you guys get married? Like, I know you can't tell me the date, but like I just see your next year, next September as when we're thinking because I'm like, a wedding takes so much and we're on the road. I've done it three times. So if you want to like any like any advice, Oh my gosh, don't we like get a little like barn out in Nashville. That's really cute, And so I think we're just gonna we just want something really casual. I just want an epic dance party. That's all I want. I want to like smooch and say Lord, blessed as relationship, black party, drink dance be done. I love that. So so Joan and I we had a handshake on four years. Um okay, we said like seven would be like the minimum age. We joke that we're going to get pregnant at the same time, so we can rock the bumps on stage, cut well, and we can schedule and they can all be best friendly, easy on our manager, you know, totally to choose which delivery room to go to. That'll be interesting. D Yeah is good though, Yeah, but that I don't know. I feel like it's going to be more like thirties for us. Yeah, I just I want a lot of kids. I just don't want them for a long time. Well, if you want a lot of kids, you should do it before because it's like, right, it starts to get i mean past thirty five year geriatric pregnancy and the risk go up and so it's it becomes like a higher Because that's why I sound like I want to be done at thirty five. So I wanna pop this out in November, right before thirty five. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, like how many kids are we talking? Well, this is the thing. Yeah. Jonah comes from a really big family. He's one of five children and all birth naturally by his awesome mom. Yea naturally natural. Yeah, I ain't playing those games. No, it's not gonna call it the contraction. I'm like, well, um, I think, I mean we'll tay and I both like, I think we want three, both of us. Mum, yeah, minimum is three because like two, I grew up with one sister and that was like, I love my sister, but it was a little boring, so like if we were mad at each other, it was like tough, you're just gonna have to be by yourself, or you can get along with your sister. And that wasn't a great option. You see, I have two brothers, so I feel like three was a good it's a good number. And I say, hi, Hi, guys, are you Jesse Jesse? Yes, No, I'm not. No, I like the I like the name change. No I'm not. So it's so funny because around the same time, I just had a crazy year of change, which I'm so thankful for because around the same time as a label thing happened, I had a three year relationship, committed relationship and yeah, Jackie not Jesse, Um, I know you like sweet? Yes he is, and he he went through a lot um he's got he dealt with cancer. He did. He dealt with cancer about that, like, we're also together when he was going through keem Yes. Yes. So when we first found out that he had cancer, it was October of two thousands sixteen, which was six months after his mom had just passed away. Yeah, from cancer or from cancer. So we found out in October, and then he had it removed in December and in at that point he was cancer free. Um. But then around the time that we split up in August, he ended it. Why. He just felt like he needed some soul searching to do. He said it himself. He was very lost and just needed to was that. I mean, that's gotta be tough because you were going through your yes, and exactly. Yeah, so I was kind of double it was a double whammy. But thank goodness because our record is awesome. But yeah, you know, I'm so thankful because it's hard. You know people, Um no, I was like, um no, we're not on speaking terms, but I would I would never wish any animosity towards him or anyone. But you know, it's funny because people always say you have to go through the stages of grief, like you have to get angry and you have to, and I just don't. I don't necessarily believe in that. I was never at any point mad. I was obviously sad, and I was like, oh man, this sucks because change sucks. But I was already going through change with my career, so it was almost like get it all out of the way. Yeah, it's like, this is nothing, you know. Um, it was very hard. It was very hard, but you know, I just had a perspective of like, he's kind of doing me a favor because he's releasing me to go find the person that I'm supposed to be with, you know, and woman, the woman that you're growing into be exactly. This tay of being best friends for seven years, this is my favorite tay, and I think it's yours too. It's my favorite version of myself. I've never felt strong. I have no fears exactly, and I'm still very reserved, but more to the point of, I can you know, I can share my feelings and I can let people in and it's it's awesome. So you're you're single as can be? No, no, no, I'm actually very much in love, which is yes, thanks guys, which is why I'm like, thank you because you let me go find the person that God created for me, which is so you know, his name is josh Joshua Peter, very Christian. Yeah, and he loved Jesus. What did you say? Jen said? Where is he? Where is he from? Originally Buffalo, New York? But yeah, so he lives in Nashville. Now is he an artist? No, he's a songwriter? You oh, probably maybe? Probably. That's really cute and how long you have been dating? For um since March? But you know, we definitely lived friends, don't so we met. I mean we actually met like four years ago sorry, on radio tour in Passing because he was playing guitar out on the road and it was like, you know, we kind of hung out in the same crowd but never really talked to each other. And then we wrote together for the first time in October sessions but I called it the first session. I was like, he is so into you and she like, but we had both just gotten out of relationships and we're just like some fantastic the best time and you know, it's so unexpected, and we fought it for a really long time. So we did the dance until December, and then we went on our first day in December and then continue to do the dance of like friends down friends zone, we do but we don't. So then we officially started dating in March. And yeah, guys, real love is good when it's real, when it's real product, you guys are just like in such a good space. There's a great energy to you, guys, like you gotta go through a really sorry, no it's okay, it's but it's like you really that makes you appreciate, it makes you grow, It makes you become, you know, the woman, like I feel like as a woman you have to go through things to make yourself even more beautiful. And like, you guys are just you guys look amazing. You're stunning like your song friends don't. It's fantastic And I know I'm excited. Estan is so excited for you record to be coming out. Yeah, crushes, I just wanted to tell you guys, Oh yes, I love you stood up like awesome friends, Doughe is a jam growing a country song is a jam. Shut up and fish is a jam. But you know, my favorite song right now is no Place like You. That song, like that song must get the most killer like reaction live because like it's a lot of fun to play live. Oh my god, the sun comes up, Like I told you the other day, Like I'm a new Jack country fan, Like I was not into country until very recently, but like like her music and like when I first hearched up in Fish, I was like, oh my god, these girls have it and like no place like the especially I don't know. It's just like that song is you have a lot of music like makes people feel really excited, and like I almost like punched my way through the windshield when I hear that song. It's because it's so exciting, like no place like you, that kind of thing you don't on the road and you don't ride in though to not be a country fan and then go to shut up and fish, you know, it's it's because it makes me feel like nostalgic and like a warm memory about something I've never experienced. Like I'm from like northern California, like in a beach town, Like I don't know fishing, there's no fishing, there's no I don't take my truck out to the edge of town and like turn on the tail lights and you know, like that's okay. I don't know why people started putting I don't I don't have any of those experiences, but I love country songs so good anyway, Just like like you guys got me really like deep into this music. I'm excited for you to hear the new album. I can't wait and it thanks you for writing real vulnerable you're feeling. But I think that's what that's what people relate to. That's what people want to feel because it's like they've gone through things that you guys have gone through and they want to feel the same thing. I think. So that's the big like misconception. Did I say that at the right way? Yeah, yeah, okay, I always feel like I mispronounced that word every time. Um, but people think just because you're in the public eye that you don't struggle, you don't have anything like no, it is almost more I would say, than you know regular. But um, that's our kind of why we put out that video on YouTube, just kind of explaining everything because and I mean, the cool thing with this podcast is it's very raw, unfiltered, and like you said, I feel like that's how people connect and like if we're just like if we're not what we do, we are who we are. This is not gonna make sense, but I understand if you know what you're singing a song that you haven't related to or you haven't been through, people aren't going to buy it exactly literally buy it. Yeah you have to like feel it and yeah totally. But I love you girls, Thank you for you. Guys download friends don't. Their album is going to be coming out early next year. Check it out and thanks. Thanks. Okay, So I love vitamins, but I also get super over overwhelmed who I'm an in vitamin shop. 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I just love the fact that they've been through it all because, you know, because they had I mean, A girl in a Country song was ginormous. I mean it was huge, they were everywhere it was. It was is a ginormal, ginormal song. And for that to be their first thing, it's like if they would have just kept having those hits, which yeah, I would have been amazing for them, but they wouldn't be making the music they're making now. And let me tell you, guys, I just heard a sneak peek song that's going to be one of their next either the second or third single. It's incredible. I mean they are writing with like confidence and experience and passion and it's like surety, surety, Yeah, It's like that's and it's so great to see because they're growing and their fans are growing with them, and they're just and I'm really I'm happy, you know, I'm obviously I'm so happy that Maddie is engaged in so sweet. I'm so excited for her. But he is a different person now. I mean, she's just, she's lighter, she's um. I'm really I'm really happy for you can definitely tell that heartbreak sometimes gonna be the best thing for you. It's the best growth. And those girls are so grounded, they're being so young. Well, and here's the thing to you, Like, in the beginning, when a group comes out like that, you're like, I give them two years to fight, break up and be over and just and it's like you never hear from them again. But no, these girls are fighting through it and I give them so much props for that and the fact that they've remained literally sisters in it. So I was just going to say, their friendship. We should all take away something from that. Those We need to be friends with our girlfriends. The way those two support each other. I mean I strive to do that always, but you know, sometimes it it's hard. It's hard, it's super hard. But those girls are a great example. Yeah, I love them. Okay, it is time for you guys to thread up. 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I'm so confused as to why he choose to sit and play video games instead of instead of have sex with me. That word make you nervous? What the heck? I'm twenty seven years old, tall, skinny, and cute. I'm like you, I want to have sex more than he does, and I don't get it. When I talked to him about it, he gets very defensive and shuts down. He always says I'm beautiful and sexy, but never wants to hang out with me or have sex. He'd rather play video games. He's huge into making me feel guilty for asking for help. I've asked him to go see someone with me and he refuses, so I need help trying to get him do agree to go with me? How should I convince him? Oh, I'll let you go first. I have a lot to say, Jen, I love you. Um okay, Taylor Number one. I appreciate you talking to your husband and asking him for what you need. I think that's a huge gift that you're giving him by asking him what you need. I think it's really disappointing that he's just straight up refusing to go to therapy, but also more so not giving you what you need when you're asking him what you need. Um, you know, maybe if I will say this, if you're yelling at him in a big argument and that's how you're telling him what you need, maybe he's just not hearing you. So my advice would be to sit down with him, no, not angry and not super triggered upset, and just be like, hey, I really need to talk to you. And if you've done that and he's still not being receptive to you and still being that way, then then you have to I mean to me, you have to really look at your marriage and be like, is that something that I want to live with with someone who I've sat down been vulnerable with and you know he he doesn't want to go talk to someone. I mean, right, Jen, I agree this is coming. You know, I'm a I'm a psychologist, but I'm I also was in a marriage and went therapy. If you cannot force someone to go to therapy, you cannot force them to be open to it, you cannot force them to grow as a person. And if they don't want to go after you have expressed your needs to go talk with somebody and try and grow through this issue you're having, then you do you have to sit and evaluate your marriage and where you want to be and what you need out of life. Yeah, I agree, bottom line, And again, just you know, make sure you're not because sometimes when I was trying to tell my husband what I need. He would I would be saying it from a very angry place, and he wouldn't hear that. He would just hear it as me nagging or me bitching to him, Like if you come to him and really sit down and be like, I'm at the point where I don't think I can be in this relationship anymore because I've asked you these things and you're still not willing to work. If he doesn't get off the fucking couch and put down his fucking remote controller, walk the out the door, Taylor, listen to Janna right now telling you, I'm telling you, twenty seven years old, you are tall, skinny, and cute. Like you said, you want to have sex. I'm telling you there is going to be someone out there that wants to have sex with you too, Okay, Because if he doesn't wake up and go to therapy with you so you guys can work this out and you don't leave, you're going to be forty saying the same things. And I'm not a for divorce. I'm not saying get divorced, but I'm saying to sit down and communicate and talk to your husband if he is not willing to work. Why do you want to stay in that kind of situation? All right? That just made me so angry. I'm done with the show. I'm over it. I'm done. I'm going home and I'm gonna go yell at my husband for something. I don't know what, but I'm going to find something to occupy him. John, I love you, I'm miss you, and I love you, thank you, and um yeah, I'm really excited to wind down next week because we've got some stuff to talk about. We sure do. Until next time,

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