Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.

Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.

Is it me or is it freezing in here?

Is it me or is it freezing in here?

Freezing?

Freezing?

So walked in here and I was like, whoa, I wore this shirt because it's you. And then I was like, oh man, it's always so hot in here. And then I walked down.

So walked in here and I was like, whoa, I wore this shirt because it's you. And then I was like, oh man, it's always so hot in here. And then I walked down.

I was like, it's freezing. So that your house is never like this. No, I don't understand what my house messing with.

I was like, it's freezing. So that your house is never like this. No, I don't understand what my house messing with.

My someone someone's.

My someone someone's.

Touching my dials.

Touching my dials.

Hi guys, Hi, Hey, I had one of those moments today where I got into the car. So my sweet little builder, his son is like dreams of being a director. And so my really good director friend is in town right now filming a movie. And so when we bought the house or whatever, the builder guy was like listen, he's like because at the very end and everyone gives like the builder a gift or something, and so I was I didn't know that. I mean usually click what it is house, but that's yeah, well we did the last one, like we gave them like some like liquor bottle or whatever. And so I was like, hey, you know what do you you know? What are you and your wife like? And you know and he's like, I don't want anything. I just want one favor. Like my son wants to be a director, and it's like his whole life's passion. He sent me like this thing. He didn't because he's in high school. He's a cute little junior, and he's like he wants to, you know, direct, and he just wants to see what it's like on like the real deal. So he's like, if you could ever make that work, like would owe you forever. And so first I was going to have him come to West Virginia, but I'm like it's just too heavy of a set, Like I can't be like managing like you know, people on set when I'm like getting like choked and stuff like that. It's a very emotional movie. Like I just like I can't like do that. So I knew that my buddy Brian, who have done a few movies with he's in He's been filming a movie here with Alexa Penevega, who I love so much. She's just an absolute doll and so sad she just had a still birth, Like it's just heartbreaking, I know, but she's her and her husband are acting in this movie together and it's just precious. So anyways, so I'm like perfect, but Brian, not being from Nashville, He's like, yeah, we're filming in Franklin. It was all the way in where like old producer lived. So I'm like forty five minutes later. But when I'm in the car, it was one of those where I was like, I forgot to wear deodorant.

Hi guys, Hi, Hey, I had one of those moments today where I got into the car. So my sweet little builder, his son is like dreams of being a director. And so my really good director friend is in town right now filming a movie. And so when we bought the house or whatever, the builder guy was like listen, he's like because at the very end and everyone gives like the builder a gift or something, and so I was I didn't know that. I mean usually click what it is house, but that's yeah, well we did the last one, like we gave them like some like liquor bottle or whatever. And so I was like, hey, you know what do you you know? What are you and your wife like? And you know and he's like, I don't want anything. I just want one favor. Like my son wants to be a director, and it's like his whole life's passion. He sent me like this thing. He didn't because he's in high school. He's a cute little junior, and he's like he wants to, you know, direct, and he just wants to see what it's like on like the real deal. So he's like, if you could ever make that work, like would owe you forever. And so first I was going to have him come to West Virginia, but I'm like it's just too heavy of a set, Like I can't be like managing like you know, people on set when I'm like getting like choked and stuff like that. It's a very emotional movie. Like I just like I can't like do that. So I knew that my buddy Brian, who have done a few movies with he's in He's been filming a movie here with Alexa Penevega, who I love so much. She's just an absolute doll and so sad she just had a still birth, Like it's just heartbreaking, I know, but she's her and her husband are acting in this movie together and it's just precious. So anyways, so I'm like perfect, but Brian, not being from Nashville, He's like, yeah, we're filming in Franklin. It was all the way in where like old producer lived. So I'm like forty five minutes later. But when I'm in the car, it was one of those where I was like, I forgot to wear deodorant.

I was like, no sweating in the car.

I was like, no sweating in the car.

And I'm like, oh, I know, that's just the most random moment ever. But anyways, but it was really cute and he's like on set and I was like, anyways, I have to podcast. Like I was like, so I literally just dropped this little, sweet.

And I'm like, oh, I know, that's just the most random moment ever. But anyways, but it was really cute and he's like on set and I was like, anyways, I have to podcast. Like I was like, so I literally just dropped this little, sweet.

Little shoe I did.

Little shoe I did.

I was like, and then I'm like high stacy, hi guys. Because the people that I've worked with before, like on set or whatever. And so I'm like, okay, here's here. He is like, here's a hot set. This is the world, Brian, this is you know, Like he's just okay now and go action, Like I gotta go, Hi, Alexa take your build her son to work day? Yeah okay, And like he's like are you coming back? And I'm like it's forty minutes.

I was like, and then I'm like high stacy, hi guys. Because the people that I've worked with before, like on set or whatever. And so I'm like, okay, here's here. He is like, here's a hot set. This is the world, Brian, this is you know, Like he's just okay now and go action, Like I gotta go, Hi, Alexa take your build her son to work day? Yeah okay, And like he's like are you coming back? And I'm like it's forty minutes.

Do you ever ride home. Well, no, he drove like he followed me there. So I picked him up in the model down the street. He followed me. My kids stuck it in his Mercedes, and I'm like, my.

Do you ever ride home. Well, no, he drove like he followed me there. So I picked him up in the model down the street. He followed me. My kids stuck it in his Mercedes, and I'm like, my.

Lord, I'm like, oh.

Lord, I'm like, oh.

I had to buy my car. Yeah.

I had to buy my car. Yeah.

It was like so cute anyways, but yeah, so that was that and then I like that's why I was late there.

It was like so cute anyways, but yeah, so that was that and then I like that's why I was late there.

But now I'm still stinky.

But now I'm still stinky.

So if I stay, well, my bag's still somewhere overseas US.

So if I stay, well, my bag's still somewhere overseas US.

I can't believe that, is it?

I can't believe that, is it?

Ever?

Ever?

Does that mean you haven't gotten theodor?

Does that mean you haven't gotten theodor?

You know?

You know?

So I bought, like I bought like one of those like cheap o' ones from the walmart, like those travel ones or whatever, and usually I have one in my purse. I've got one here I got there and like I just got like the one random and like so I just forget to like put it on. I've got no makeup, but I've got like this like little like underre stuff.

So I bought, like I bought like one of those like cheap o' ones from the walmart, like those travel ones or whatever, and usually I have one in my purse. I've got one here I got there and like I just got like the one random and like so I just forget to like put it on. I've got no makeup, but I've got like this like little like underre stuff.

Do you so you never get it back?

Do you so you never get it back?

We don't know Alan Alan's back came, but mine. They're like we don't.

We don't know Alan Alan's back came, but mine. They're like we don't.

Know, wait, is it just one of yours or like several? So because there was a lot of suitcases, my only.

Know, wait, is it just one of yours or like several? So because there was a lot of suitcases, my only.

Real big bag, so like my my the other ones we came with, but like the one that has my makeup in my like all my clothes, all my toilet trees, all my like everything, my diamond earrings in there, My Jimmy Choo's like like.

Real big bag, so like my my the other ones we came with, but like the one that has my makeup in my like all my clothes, all my toilet trees, all my like everything, my diamond earrings in there, My Jimmy Choo's like like.

Great jewelry here.

Great jewelry here.

Yeah, it's They're like, we don't know because.

Yeah, it's They're like, we don't know because.

Somebody at the airline is like, and check me out. I only have one pair.

Somebody at the airline is like, and check me out. I only have one pair.

I know everything else is Amazon, but I'm like, all my nice stuff wasn't that bad? Well, now we know about eggs and baskets. We don't do that ever again. No, so it was like I have like one pair of diamond earrings. They were in there. It's like I know your homegirls an Amazon girl, but all good stuff was in there. I know, it's all put in the stuff it goes, not the Jimmy Choo's.

I know everything else is Amazon, but I'm like, all my nice stuff wasn't that bad? Well, now we know about eggs and baskets. We don't do that ever again. No, so it was like I have like one pair of diamond earrings. They were in there. It's like I know your homegirls an Amazon girl, but all good stuff was in there. I know, it's all put in the stuff it goes, not the Jimmy Choo's.

That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying.

It's like I it's and it has like my altheine in there has all my like I had to reorder all my supplements, which you know is not.

It's like I it's and it has like my altheine in there has all my like I had to reorder all my supplements, which you know is not.

The easy feet. It's not cheap. It ain't cheap.

The easy feet. It's not cheap. It ain't cheap.

I know. That's when you were saying, like to the blooming thing, I was like, well, my blooming things in there. So I was like, you know, like it was just the charger thing. I had to go get a different charger. Like no, so do you do they know what's in it before it's replaced, because I'm going that's a pretty great suitcase to accidentally lose if you're a dishonest person.

I know. That's when you were saying, like to the blooming thing, I was like, well, my blooming things in there. So I was like, you know, like it was just the charger thing. I had to go get a different charger. Like no, so do you do they know what's in it before it's replaced, because I'm going that's a pretty great suitcase to accidentally lose if you're a dishonest person.

Yeah, I should never do that.

Yeah, I should never do that.

No, I couldn't like them. We're saying someone could have like if they opened it up.

No, I couldn't like them. We're saying someone could have like if they opened it up.

Oh, but how does they have any work?

Oh, but how does they have any work?

Like when you lose a bag, like would I get like do I defile insurance claim?

Like when you lose a bag, like would I get like do I defile insurance claim?

Like how does that? How does that work? I think you have to do? I just use it?

Like how does that? How does that work? I think you have to do? I just use it?

And then like I think you have a list out item, like there's a rolex in there.

And then like I think you have a list out item, like there's a rolex in there.

Well, you got plenty of things.

Well, you got plenty of things.

I was like, hmm, share ways, there's got to be like a there's something like or no, there has to be like a limit to though, Like I'm sure they wouldn't be like yeah, here's.

I was like, hmm, share ways, there's got to be like a there's something like or no, there has to be like a limit to though, Like I'm sure they wouldn't be like yeah, here's.

That's why you have like homeowners insurance and stuff or like you know, insurance to cover those things or the shoes on the policy, but the policy your diamonds and like all that stuff, right, well.

That's why you have like homeowners insurance and stuff or like you know, insurance to cover those things or the shoes on the policy, but the policy your diamonds and like all that stuff, right, well.

Depending what I don't. Ever, I don't put those on the policy. No, we know we put them on the policy. You put your shoes on a policy.

Depending what I don't. Ever, I don't put those on the policy. No, we know we put them on the policy. You put your shoes on a policy.

Well, I don't have Jimmy shoes. I owned James diamonds. I do James Jimmy Yeah if I own them, sure, yeah.

Well, I don't have Jimmy shoes. I owned James diamonds. I do James Jimmy Yeah if I own them, sure, yeah.

I don't own them, don't own them, But I do all the diamonds, one pair, all the diamonds.

I don't own them, don't own them, But I do all the diamonds, one pair, all the diamonds.

A few shoes though that I would definitely put on there.

A few shoes though that I would definitely put on there.

Like what I have, Like, okay, I have one pair of Curshial Lutons that are ten years old now.

Like what I have, Like, okay, I have one pair of Curshial Lutons that are ten years old now.

They're vintage definitely, but they don't even.

They're vintage definitely, but they don't even.

Say they're just sitting there because they're only my only red. But like like what else everything else? I don't have one new pair of a Sam Edelman one hundred dollars sneaker, Like I don't.

Say they're just sitting there because they're only my only red. But like like what else everything else? I don't have one new pair of a Sam Edelman one hundred dollars sneaker, Like I don't.

Have any of some sneakers that are not that are my ten.

Have any of some sneakers that are not that are my ten.

Year old geese years old seven.

Year old geese years old seven.

But still but they're still were expensive.

But still but they're still were expensive.

And we're like fifty dollars now they're not I've looked them up or not.

And we're like fifty dollars now they're not I've looked them up or not.

Listen, I'm just saying, like, really, really have that really diamonds for sure?

Listen, I'm just saying, like, really, really have that really diamonds for sure?

Yeah? Well, ilading in the ocean. I think you're going to get it back. It's fine. I think you're going to get a backstressing about it. Yeah, let's say, yeah, weren't broken makeup in my supplements back then?

Yeah? Well, ilading in the ocean. I think you're going to get it back. It's fine. I think you're going to get a backstressing about it. Yeah, let's say, yeah, weren't broken makeup in my supplements back then?

Jimmy choos, whoever has my bag, I just feel just shipped me my supplements.

Jimmy choos, whoever has my bag, I just feel just shipped me my supplements.

I would like my my my face stuff back because that stuff's expensive.

I would like my my my face stuff back because that stuff's expensive.

Frames are like two hundred dollars.

Frames are like two hundred dollars.

So.

So.

Mine is definitely not. Yeah, you definitely need that has.

Mine is definitely not. Yeah, you definitely need that has.

Retinal in it. Yeah, but they don't all cost him. But it doesn't matter at all. Adds up fast. I mean, shoot, my cheap stuff adds up fast.

Retinal in it. Yeah, but they don't all cost him. But it doesn't matter at all. Adds up fast. I mean, shoot, my cheap stuff adds up fast.

Correct.

Correct.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So anyways, that's that's why I stink. That's why I'm late. So I'm freezing.

So anyways, that's that's why I stink. That's why I'm late. So I'm freezing.

I feel like you tho.

I feel like you tho.

I know, God, Catherine, No, you don't stink, But I feel like you might have to buy a razor, might have to think that the bag's not coming back and get a few of those things.

I know, God, Catherine, No, you don't stink, But I feel like you might have to buy a razor, might have to think that the bag's not coming back and get a few of those things.

Guys. I have a new Birkenstocks in there that I just got.

Guys. I have a new Birkenstocks in there that I just got.

We can not worried about there, worried about the Birkenstocksky, Welcome to my life, though, when like I don't care about the real designer druff. That's it's all the stuff you use most often. Absolutely what I do have a my love with han person there. Oh my god, this bag just keeps getting more. It's a jackpot if you're a dishonest jackpot jackpot. I would like to know if you see the Jana Kramer Dalless actress tag on the bag, that's what. Anyways, you're going to get it back. Guys, we have a very exciting guest today. Armie Hammer's mom is coming on and to refresh your memory, we did we had was it his aunt?

We can not worried about there, worried about the Birkenstocksky, Welcome to my life, though, when like I don't care about the real designer druff. That's it's all the stuff you use most often. Absolutely what I do have a my love with han person there. Oh my god, this bag just keeps getting more. It's a jackpot if you're a dishonest jackpot jackpot. I would like to know if you see the Jana Kramer Dalless actress tag on the bag, that's what. Anyways, you're going to get it back. Guys, we have a very exciting guest today. Armie Hammer's mom is coming on and to refresh your memory, we did we had was it his aunt?

His aunt? Yes, comely had.

His aunt? Yes, comely had.

Because she they did the documentary.

Because she they did the documentary.

She did the documentary.

She did the documentary.

So we're going to get her on because she has a book called hand I like the little plan.

So we're going to get her on because she has a book called hand I like the little plan.

Well done.

Well done.

Interested to Hammer, but let's get her on and see what she has to say.

Interested to Hammer, but let's get her on and see what she has to say.

Hi, Hi, how are you?

Hi, Hi, how are you?

I'm great? Thank you for having me.

I'm great? Thank you for having me.

Of course, thank you for coming on. I yeah, we got you know, we got the word that you were coming on. We have been hearing all about your your book which is available now called Hammered. And I recently saw something in the news too, because you know, I was doing a little research and uh, there was an article that came up about how you were you had to forgive Army's ex wife. I mean, there's just there's just a lot of a lot of questions. I don't even know where exactly to start, but I guess the first one is, there's a lot, there's a lot unpacked. Did you watch the documentary, I guess is my first question.

Of course, thank you for coming on. I yeah, we got you know, we got the word that you were coming on. We have been hearing all about your your book which is available now called Hammered. And I recently saw something in the news too, because you know, I was doing a little research and uh, there was an article that came up about how you were you had to forgive Army's ex wife. I mean, there's just there's just a lot of a lot of questions. I don't even know where exactly to start, but I guess the first one is, there's a lot, there's a lot unpacked. Did you watch the documentary, I guess is my first question.

My answer to that would be I watched a little bit of the documentary, but there were so many untruths in it. And the person who made the documentary is Army's aunt, who hadn't seen since he was seven, so she didn't even really know our family. So it was really hard for me to watch. And look, I say everywhere I go, Army was criminally wrong. He was no excuse me, he was not boy that was a fauxbot. He was not criminally criminally wrong.

My answer to that would be I watched a little bit of the documentary, but there were so many untruths in it. And the person who made the documentary is Army's aunt, who hadn't seen since he was seven, so she didn't even really know our family. So it was really hard for me to watch. And look, I say everywhere I go, Army was criminally wrong. He was no excuse me, he was not boy that was a fauxbot. He was not criminally criminally wrong.

He was morally wrong.

He was morally wrong.

So you know, a lot happened that a mother has no control over. But what I will say is Army is in such a good place now. He went to rehab. He actually got sober four months before he went to rehab and has been sober for almost four years, and he is an incredible father to his children. He picks them up whenever he's in you know, every time he's in town, he picks them up. Every single morning, he picks them up from school. He spends the whole day with them, he's there on the weekend. It's really changed his life. And sometimes you have to lose everything to realize what's really important in life.

So you know, a lot happened that a mother has no control over. But what I will say is Army is in such a good place now. He went to rehab. He actually got sober four months before he went to rehab and has been sober for almost four years, and he is an incredible father to his children. He picks them up whenever he's in you know, every time he's in town, he picks them up. Every single morning, he picks them up from school. He spends the whole day with them, he's there on the weekend. It's really changed his life. And sometimes you have to lose everything to realize what's really important in life.

M you know, I feel like that's got to be hard as as a mom, because, like you said, like he's not criminally you know, you said, he's not criminally wrong, it's just morally wrong. And I think it's you know, I remember my ex husband had multiple affairs on me and you know his you know, I'd have conversations with his mom and it's like they're not proud of his son's actions, but they're their mom like they're still going to love their son. And I think that's you know, when I would get that frustration. It's like, no matter what, now that you know, I have kids too, it's like our kids might misstep and do things that are wrong, but no matter what, we'll always love them. And so we can we can be disappointed in them, and we could be we cannot understand it, but we will always love them. And I think that's the piece where you know, that's the mother's love, that is the unbreakable peace and all that.

M you know, I feel like that's got to be hard as as a mom, because, like you said, like he's not criminally you know, you said, he's not criminally wrong, it's just morally wrong. And I think it's you know, I remember my ex husband had multiple affairs on me and you know his you know, I'd have conversations with his mom and it's like they're not proud of his son's actions, but they're their mom like they're still going to love their son. And I think that's you know, when I would get that frustration. It's like, no matter what, now that you know, I have kids too, it's like our kids might misstep and do things that are wrong, but no matter what, we'll always love them. And so we can we can be disappointed in them, and we could be we cannot understand it, but we will always love them. And I think that's the piece where you know, that's the mother's love, that is the unbreakable peace and all that.

You know one hundred percent, And I will say this. You know he was in a very dark time in his life. There was alcohol, there were drugs. You know, there's no excuse. And I love my daughter in Loot and I get to be a part of my grandkid's life. So it really has ended up, believe it or not. You don't grow in good times. You grow in tough times. And I think everybody grew and we've all come full circle. You have to be very patient because God's timing is not our timing. And I prayed for twenty three years because I raised both my sons in a Christian home. No home is perfect, but we did teach him about the love of God. And you just have to pray and know that God is steadfast and he answers prayers.

You know one hundred percent, And I will say this. You know he was in a very dark time in his life. There was alcohol, there were drugs. You know, there's no excuse. And I love my daughter in Loot and I get to be a part of my grandkid's life. So it really has ended up, believe it or not. You don't grow in good times. You grow in tough times. And I think everybody grew and we've all come full circle. You have to be very patient because God's timing is not our timing. And I prayed for twenty three years because I raised both my sons in a Christian home. No home is perfect, but we did teach him about the love of God. And you just have to pray and know that God is steadfast and he answers prayers.

It just may not happen in your time frame, right.

It just may not happen in your time frame, right.

We know a lot about that on this couch over here. Yes, I do have a question too, and this is mostly because you know, I think everyone on this side of the podcasts has little boys, and it's a different in my experience. You know, raising girls so far from me, and they're all young, but it's very intuitive feeling because I am a woman, so that feels like pretty and right.

We know a lot about that on this couch over here. Yes, I do have a question too, and this is mostly because you know, I think everyone on this side of the podcasts has little boys, and it's a different in my experience. You know, raising girls so far from me, and they're all young, but it's very intuitive feeling because I am a woman, so that feels like pretty and right.

And I'm learning.

And I'm learning.

Very quickly that out of the gate boys in our home are just so different.

Very quickly that out of the gate boys in our home are just so different.

So in Army's younger years, was there ever any indication?

So in Army's younger years, was there ever any indication?

Is there if you can go back in your most honest, objective brain, do you recognize times now, knowing what you know about him, that you saw certain things in his character? Or wait, is he played or things he said? Or as he got older? Was there ever this like red flag moment that maybe you coded with the mother grace because we all are just their biggest fans no matter what. But now looking back, do you go, I see a lot of where this could have started or how this started? Has that ever been? Oh?

Is there if you can go back in your most honest, objective brain, do you recognize times now, knowing what you know about him, that you saw certain things in his character? Or wait, is he played or things he said? Or as he got older? Was there ever this like red flag moment that maybe you coded with the mother grace because we all are just their biggest fans no matter what. But now looking back, do you go, I see a lot of where this could have started or how this started? Has that ever been? Oh?

I know exactly, Yes, I know exactly when it started, and I would not talk about it if Army had not talked about it.

I know exactly, Yes, I know exactly when it started, and I would not talk about it if Army had not talked about it.

But I know.

But I know.

On here's Morgan and you know several things he's done recently in an article in Airmail where he talks about what happened to him at fourteen, he was molested by his youth pastor and when it happens in a church, a child can tend to blame God, like why did you let this happen to me? But I really pray that I have a platform in this area, because you know, children at that age, they're young, they blame themselves, they have shame, thinking it's their fault. And he told us that he was not comfortable to go anymore to the youth group. But he said, nothing really happened, It's just he was inappropriate because again he was ashamed. So unfortunately, we took that at face value, because of course you always want to trust your son, but also these predators, if you will, they groomed themselves, they groom you, They groomed the child. He would travel with us, he would come to our house for dinner. He was, you know, one of our best friends, we thought, and he was doing such an amazing thing with the youth group at our church. So we took that at face value.

On here's Morgan and you know several things he's done recently in an article in Airmail where he talks about what happened to him at fourteen, he was molested by his youth pastor and when it happens in a church, a child can tend to blame God, like why did you let this happen to me? But I really pray that I have a platform in this area, because you know, children at that age, they're young, they blame themselves, they have shame, thinking it's their fault. And he told us that he was not comfortable to go anymore to the youth group. But he said, nothing really happened, It's just he was inappropriate because again he was ashamed. So unfortunately, we took that at face value, because of course you always want to trust your son, but also these predators, if you will, they groomed themselves, they groom you, They groomed the child. He would travel with us, he would come to our house for dinner. He was, you know, one of our best friends, we thought, and he was doing such an amazing thing with the youth group at our church. So we took that at face value.

So I was not.

So I was not.

As proactive getting Army the help he needed to deal with that. And he said to me later in life, he goes, but mom, even if I said nothing happened, If a youth pastor even attempts something like that, it messes a child up. I said, you're absolutely right, and I was totally miss from seeing that. And we found out later that he had done that with several of the other of the young boys in the group, and we had him kicked out of the country. But Army goes, mom, I was the whistleblower. You know, nothing happened, So I think that was the downfall. Is an excuse for his behavior years later? Absolutely not. I'm not making excuses. But what I am saying is that God has truly brought this full circle. And I said, Army, I really believe that you could have a platform to help other people who have been through this, because it's the most devastating thing in the world when this happens.

As proactive getting Army the help he needed to deal with that. And he said to me later in life, he goes, but mom, even if I said nothing happened, If a youth pastor even attempts something like that, it messes a child up. I said, you're absolutely right, and I was totally miss from seeing that. And we found out later that he had done that with several of the other of the young boys in the group, and we had him kicked out of the country. But Army goes, mom, I was the whistleblower. You know, nothing happened, So I think that was the downfall. Is an excuse for his behavior years later? Absolutely not. I'm not making excuses. But what I am saying is that God has truly brought this full circle. And I said, Army, I really believe that you could have a platform to help other people who have been through this, because it's the most devastating thing in the world when this happens.

And up until fourteen, you never it wasn't like you don't know, I guess what I'm asking mostly like, is that like a chemical thing from birth? You're like, huh, you know, like there are kids at young ages trying to hurt animals or do things like that. But up until fourteen, okay, yeah, I always wonder.

And up until fourteen, you never it wasn't like you don't know, I guess what I'm asking mostly like, is that like a chemical thing from birth? You're like, huh, you know, like there are kids at young ages trying to hurt animals or do things like that. But up until fourteen, okay, yeah, I always wonder.

No, I didn't see any of that.

No, I didn't see any of that.

I just noticed that he started questioning God, questioning the Bible from that point on, so I just knew that you know, something was going on.

I just noticed that he started questioning God, questioning the Bible from that point on, so I just knew that you know, something was going on.

And I didn't.

And I didn't.

I didn't understand what was fully his devastation because he wasn't totally open about it rightfully. So I understand that too now. So no, I didn't see anything like that, but we didn't deal with it like we should have.

I didn't understand what was fully his devastation because he wasn't totally open about it rightfully. So I understand that too now. So no, I didn't see anything like that, but we didn't deal with it like we should have.

Well, everything right is hindsight too, like you wish, like, Oh, there's so many things that I wish I would have dealt with when I was younger.

Well, everything right is hindsight too, like you wish, like, Oh, there's so many things that I wish I would have dealt with when I was younger.

You know, you see things like but you know, and we're in a.

You know, you see things like but you know, and we're in a.

Different world now, Like we're in a very I feel like and not this is no excuse, but just truth. Like we're in a very open world. We talk about mental health and things like this so much more openly and with more understanding and with more awareness because we've learned so much over the years. Yeah, And I've followed along with Army. I did a movie with him years and years and years ago. Oh you're cute, Yeah he was lovely, and yeah, I mean it was so many years ago, and so I've kind of always followed along. And obviously he built and an incredible career for himself. And so when I saw that he was back on Pierce's show, I did watch most of the interview, and you know, he brought up and Pierce obviously brought up the cannibalism stuff. Was that really hard for you to let that label on your son be out there in the media.

Different world now, Like we're in a very I feel like and not this is no excuse, but just truth. Like we're in a very open world. We talk about mental health and things like this so much more openly and with more understanding and with more awareness because we've learned so much over the years. Yeah, And I've followed along with Army. I did a movie with him years and years and years ago. Oh you're cute, Yeah he was lovely, and yeah, I mean it was so many years ago, and so I've kind of always followed along. And obviously he built and an incredible career for himself. And so when I saw that he was back on Pierce's show, I did watch most of the interview, and you know, he brought up and Pierce obviously brought up the cannibalism stuff. Was that really hard for you to let that label on your son be out there in the media.

Well, I mean, you know, the saying being mothers, you understand this is a mother is as happy as her least happy child. And you know, it's one thing when you deal with things in your family, but when it's all over the world, it was kind of the perfect how should I say this, It was like the perfect storm. It was cancel culture. It was the me too movement, and there is a place for me too movement, of course there is, and I support that, but it's also been taken so far that these women can accuse men of things that never happened, Like the rape accusation has been dropped. You know, the very young woman who accused him of this, she stopped him after that and sent him tons of texts and would show up on movie sets. So that's not really a rape victim, if you will. And you know, we even Army has emails of her saying, yes, it was consensual type of deal. But she got caught up in the cancel culture. And the whole thing. And then it became the perfect storm because Army was everyone was stuck in their homes and locked in their apartments and working from home instead of being out because it was during COVID. So again I'm not making excuses. It just happened to be the perfect storm at that time when everyone was kind of locked up in their houses, if you will. But about the cannibalism, I mean, you know, I would call my friends and go, do you know what you have to do to be a cannibal? You actually have to eat people. It's like, where's the women with you know, missing limbs? And I'm not laughing about, you know, if that happens. What I'm laughing about is it's just so crazy.

Well, I mean, you know, the saying being mothers, you understand this is a mother is as happy as her least happy child. And you know, it's one thing when you deal with things in your family, but when it's all over the world, it was kind of the perfect how should I say this, It was like the perfect storm. It was cancel culture. It was the me too movement, and there is a place for me too movement, of course there is, and I support that, but it's also been taken so far that these women can accuse men of things that never happened, Like the rape accusation has been dropped. You know, the very young woman who accused him of this, she stopped him after that and sent him tons of texts and would show up on movie sets. So that's not really a rape victim, if you will. And you know, we even Army has emails of her saying, yes, it was consensual type of deal. But she got caught up in the cancel culture. And the whole thing. And then it became the perfect storm because Army was everyone was stuck in their homes and locked in their apartments and working from home instead of being out because it was during COVID. So again I'm not making excuses. It just happened to be the perfect storm at that time when everyone was kind of locked up in their houses, if you will. But about the cannibalism, I mean, you know, I would call my friends and go, do you know what you have to do to be a cannibal? You actually have to eat people. It's like, where's the women with you know, missing limbs? And I'm not laughing about, you know, if that happens. What I'm laughing about is it's just so crazy.

But they didn't get it from nowhere either.

But they didn't get it from nowhere either.

I mean, there was actual evidence of him speaking about doing things that were not natural and like ribs and what is.

I mean, there was actual evidence of him speaking about doing things that were not natural and like ribs and what is.

That in the of course. Yeah yeah, so it's not like they're just like throwing the term around.

That in the of course. Yeah yeah, so it's not like they're just like throwing the term around.

Well, but like Armie said, you know, he was in this wrong relationship that was very sexually explicit unfortunately between the two of them, and you say stuff, it's like me saying, you know, oh my gosh, that baby is so cute.

Well, but like Armie said, you know, he was in this wrong relationship that was very sexually explicit unfortunately between the two of them, and you say stuff, it's like me saying, you know, oh my gosh, that baby is so cute.

I could eat you up. I mean, nobody's eating a baby, you know what I mean. I think it was that kind of thing.

I could eat you up. I mean, nobody's eating a baby, you know what I mean. I think it was that kind of thing.

And you know, I can try to justify it all day long, but the bottom line is, nobody got eaten, nobody was raped.

And you know, I can try to justify it all day long, but the bottom line is, nobody got eaten, nobody was raped.

He was totally exonerated from all that.

He was totally exonerated from all that.

They did a two and a half year instigation on this, and trust me, if they really wanted a high, high profile case to nail someone hard in the pun it would be Army Hammer.

They did a two and a half year instigation on this, and trust me, if they really wanted a high, high profile case to nail someone hard in the pun it would be Army Hammer.

So there was nothing.

So there was nothing.

And Gloria already even dropped the case because Army's attorney sent her all the Texas of this girl stalking him after she came out and said, you know, accusing him of rape.

And Gloria already even dropped the case because Army's attorney sent her all the Texas of this girl stalking him after she came out and said, you know, accusing him of rape.

So you know, what are you going to do? Right?

So you know, what are you going to do? Right?

The bottom line is is that God is faithful and God restores and he takes full responsibility for you know, having the upper hand and maybe taken advantage of these young women. But there was nothing criminal there. But you know, that's such a small part of my book. My book is really about everyone in life has been hammered, and when your heart's been hammered, there is always a God who is there waiting for us. Jesus died on the cross for us. He took the sins upon the world for us. And that's really what my book is about, is it's about redemption. And now you know, both my kids were very close and we're on the right path and we're serving the Lord again. And I believe God restores all I really do. And that's what my book is about, that even when you hit rock bottom, every heart has been hammered. But God is faithful, He restores the broken heart. And it's all about forgiveness. If we don't forgive, then we can't move forward because then we are eaten up with bitterness. I meet women all the time who have been through divorce and there's still better ten twenty years after the divorce, and I say to them, I know it's hard, and it's you know, I've been through it. But if you don't forgive, it doesn't hurt the other person, it hurts you. So I have many platforms that I really pray that God will give me, you know, the ability to be able to share with women because I've been through a lot.

The bottom line is is that God is faithful and God restores and he takes full responsibility for you know, having the upper hand and maybe taken advantage of these young women. But there was nothing criminal there. But you know, that's such a small part of my book. My book is really about everyone in life has been hammered, and when your heart's been hammered, there is always a God who is there waiting for us. Jesus died on the cross for us. He took the sins upon the world for us. And that's really what my book is about, is it's about redemption. And now you know, both my kids were very close and we're on the right path and we're serving the Lord again. And I believe God restores all I really do. And that's what my book is about, that even when you hit rock bottom, every heart has been hammered. But God is faithful, He restores the broken heart. And it's all about forgiveness. If we don't forgive, then we can't move forward because then we are eaten up with bitterness. I meet women all the time who have been through divorce and there's still better ten twenty years after the divorce, and I say to them, I know it's hard, and it's you know, I've been through it. But if you don't forgive, it doesn't hurt the other person, it hurts you. So I have many platforms that I really pray that God will give me, you know, the ability to be able to share with women because I've been through a lot.

We all have. You know, it's a tough tough life.

We all have. You know, it's a tough tough life.

Speaking of forgiveness, and redemption with him being essentially canceled like you speak of cancel culture. Do you think that he has the ability to be forgiven by the masses. Do you think he has the ability to come back as an actor or do you think he's forever labeled this way and it is what it is, what it is, and he won't get any more jobs.

Speaking of forgiveness, and redemption with him being essentially canceled like you speak of cancel culture. Do you think that he has the ability to be forgiven by the masses. Do you think he has the ability to come back as an actor or do you think he's forever labeled this way and it is what it is, what it is, and he won't get any more jobs.

No, he Actually, here's what I respect about the whole situation is, for four years, Army never came out and said a word. And because of that, you can imagine, I had vanity fair, I had everyone coming to me. Everybody wants to know what the mother has to say about it, and it's not my story to tell. Now I can tell it because he's come out. But since he's come out, he has already had many people contact him wanting to do projects with him. So I think he absolutely will come back because that's his love and that's what he loves. And again, there was nothing criminal everything that he was accused of, nothing was criminal that he did.

No, he Actually, here's what I respect about the whole situation is, for four years, Army never came out and said a word. And because of that, you can imagine, I had vanity fair, I had everyone coming to me. Everybody wants to know what the mother has to say about it, and it's not my story to tell. Now I can tell it because he's come out. But since he's come out, he has already had many people contact him wanting to do projects with him. So I think he absolutely will come back because that's his love and that's what he loves. And again, there was nothing criminal everything that he was accused of, nothing was criminal that he did.

He was morally wrong. That's how I say it.

He was morally wrong. That's how I say it.

Do you I know you spoke that like so you've always been a woman of faith and you raise the boys that way, and then you mentioned the army had to fall away because obviously there's this disconnect with him with how can someone in a church and someone of godly standing do something to him at you know, fourteen? How is his relationship now with God in the same like, is this a family felt like overall? Are you all feeling like we believe in the Lord, we're walking with the Lord? Or is this is he still had that disconnect because of what happened to him.

Do you I know you spoke that like so you've always been a woman of faith and you raise the boys that way, and then you mentioned the army had to fall away because obviously there's this disconnect with him with how can someone in a church and someone of godly standing do something to him at you know, fourteen? How is his relationship now with God in the same like, is this a family felt like overall? Are you all feeling like we believe in the Lord, we're walking with the Lord? Or is this is he still had that disconnect because of what happened to him.

No, I think he has stepped through that process and I think he is definitely coming back to God. We pray together, now, we talk about the Lord together. He's truly come full circle. And again he had to die to self, his career had to die, his relationships had to die, and now he's restoring them and it's really beautiful to watch. Even he and his wife have this amazing co parenting relationship and they get along beautifully and they love their children and they're there for them. So it's wonderful.

No, I think he has stepped through that process and I think he is definitely coming back to God. We pray together, now, we talk about the Lord together. He's truly come full circle. And again he had to die to self, his career had to die, his relationships had to die, and now he's restoring them and it's really beautiful to watch. Even he and his wife have this amazing co parenting relationship and they get along beautifully and they love their children and they're there for them. So it's wonderful.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean it's important.

I mean it's important.

Yeah, And that's what you know. There's no part of you know again, people, I don't necessarily it's not necessarily I don't agree with what my ex did and the things that you know happened, but we share kids together, and so yes, it's yes, you know, I don't want to be the bitter, angry ex wife because it serves no purpose to my kids. But also myself, like, that's that's always a piece that I go back to. I'm like, it's that actually a lot. Yes, easier being his friend and I don't respect the things he did, but I can respect that he's still the father of my children. And yes, have a new relationship is kind of what I always say, right.

Yeah, And that's what you know. There's no part of you know again, people, I don't necessarily it's not necessarily I don't agree with what my ex did and the things that you know happened, but we share kids together, and so yes, it's yes, you know, I don't want to be the bitter, angry ex wife because it serves no purpose to my kids. But also myself, like, that's that's always a piece that I go back to. I'm like, it's that actually a lot. Yes, easier being his friend and I don't respect the things he did, but I can respect that he's still the father of my children. And yes, have a new relationship is kind of what I always say, right.

And that's what it's all about when it's too big for us, because I went through the same thing as you know, I talk about it in my book, and my former husband and I became great friends, and we shared holidays together with our sons and our grandchildren, and when he died in the hospital, I would climb go and be with him and climb in bed with him and put my arms around him and say, you know how much I love you, and I exonerate you as being a wonderful father to my sons, to our sons, and forgiveness is a beautiful thing, it really is.

And that's what it's all about when it's too big for us, because I went through the same thing as you know, I talk about it in my book, and my former husband and I became great friends, and we shared holidays together with our sons and our grandchildren, and when he died in the hospital, I would climb go and be with him and climb in bed with him and put my arms around him and say, you know how much I love you, and I exonerate you as being a wonderful father to my sons, to our sons, and forgiveness is a beautiful thing, it really is.

Yeah, So what do you want then?

Yeah, So what do you want then?

I mean, obviously you say a lot about forgiveness and you know, God being there to to you know, to heal all the broken pieces. What is the biggest takeaway from your book that you want people to take.

I mean, obviously you say a lot about forgiveness and you know, God being there to to you know, to heal all the broken pieces. What is the biggest takeaway from your book that you want people to take.

I would say, you know, I titled it Hammered, and you know, I thought, well, maybe someone will walk by and go, oh great, someone wrote a book when they were hammered. This might be funny, anything to get him to pick it up, right, But really it's about every heart has been hammered. But I believe that people will fail us, but God will never fail us. And when people fail us, that's when we want to turn to God. Trust him, help him if it's hard to forgive, because forgiveness is a process too. It may not happen overnight. It's a tough thing, especially when you've been betrayed by the very person that you thought was your soulmate, the love of your life, the father to your children. But like you said, I appreciate what you said because I feel exactly the same way that if you don't forgive, it's only hurting yourself. So he may have hurt your past, but why let someone have the power over you to hurt your future. And that's where God comes in because he can help us forgive when it's too difficult for us. And you know, I've been through the best of life, and I've been through the worst. And if you are going to write a book, you've got to talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly. And that's why it took me ten years. I've kept putting it down because I was like, I don't want to put myself out there. But now I believe God held it up until we've all come full circle, as I talk about in chapter eighteen, how God has restored our family and brought everything back around, and you know, we've we've just all really been healed by the Lord. I believe that.

I would say, you know, I titled it Hammered, and you know, I thought, well, maybe someone will walk by and go, oh great, someone wrote a book when they were hammered. This might be funny, anything to get him to pick it up, right, But really it's about every heart has been hammered. But I believe that people will fail us, but God will never fail us. And when people fail us, that's when we want to turn to God. Trust him, help him if it's hard to forgive, because forgiveness is a process too. It may not happen overnight. It's a tough thing, especially when you've been betrayed by the very person that you thought was your soulmate, the love of your life, the father to your children. But like you said, I appreciate what you said because I feel exactly the same way that if you don't forgive, it's only hurting yourself. So he may have hurt your past, but why let someone have the power over you to hurt your future. And that's where God comes in because he can help us forgive when it's too difficult for us. And you know, I've been through the best of life, and I've been through the worst. And if you are going to write a book, you've got to talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly. And that's why it took me ten years. I've kept putting it down because I was like, I don't want to put myself out there. But now I believe God held it up until we've all come full circle, as I talk about in chapter eighteen, how God has restored our family and brought everything back around, and you know, we've we've just all really been healed by the Lord. I believe that.

Did you have to ask for Armies permission to write the book? Like did you tell him like, hey, I'm writing this book. And I know you said it's been ten years, so that was before everything happened. But obviously I'm sure you've added in certain details of that situation, I assume, So did you have to say, like, Hey, is this okay?

Did you have to ask for Armies permission to write the book? Like did you tell him like, hey, I'm writing this book. And I know you said it's been ten years, so that was before everything happened. But obviously I'm sure you've added in certain details of that situation, I assume, So did you have to say, like, Hey, is this okay?

And are you know what can I kind of put in it?

And are you know what can I kind of put in it?

Yes, I send it out to everyone that I even mentioned their name in and I only mentioned first names, but of course I would give my family the respect. So I sent the book to my sons and I said, you know, make sure you read chapter eighteen and if there's anything that you need or want taken out, of course I would do that.

Yes, I send it out to everyone that I even mentioned their name in and I only mentioned first names, but of course I would give my family the respect. So I sent the book to my sons and I said, you know, make sure you read chapter eighteen and if there's anything that you need or want taken out, of course I would do that.

It's your story. You know.

It's your story. You know.

Yes, I'm your mother, but what I'm talking about is your story as your mother.

Yes, I'm your mother, but what I'm talking about is your story as your mother.

So if there's anything you want to change or take out, let me know.

So if there's anything you want to change or take out, let me know.

And both sons called, and there were a couple legal things because my younger son is in a legal battle with that's a whole other story kind of touches on it in the book, but you know, Armie said, Mom, I'm so proud of you and I would not change one thing that you said in there. So I would have never done it if they didn't approve, because you know, you always you love your family, but you want to respect them as well as I did with everyone in the book.

And both sons called, and there were a couple legal things because my younger son is in a legal battle with that's a whole other story kind of touches on it in the book, but you know, Armie said, Mom, I'm so proud of you and I would not change one thing that you said in there. So I would have never done it if they didn't approve, because you know, you always you love your family, but you want to respect them as well as I did with everyone in the book.

Yeah I did. I sure did well.

Yeah I did. I sure did well.

And what's one thing that you want people to know about your son, Army, Well, any of.

And what's one thing that you want people to know about your son, Army, Well, any of.

Two sons, h I have two cents.

Two sons, h I have two cents.

What do you want your biggest takeaway for people to have with Army to I know you say today like he's a different person, but like what would you want the imprint of Army in people's brain to be now?

What do you want your biggest takeaway for people to have with Army to I know you say today like he's a different person, but like what would you want the imprint of Army in people's brain to be now?

Well, I would like to say he's not a different person because in his childhood he was the sweet Army that he is today. And I love every set that I went on when he was acting. Every single set, I would say, people would come up to me and say, your son is the nicest person I've ever met in my life. He remembers everybody's name. He treats everybody with respect. I've heard that for the twenty years that he's been doing this. Maybe not twenty, I don't know how many years it is, but so I think he's come back to the person he used to be. He's not medicating, you know, he has dealt with the situation. At fourteen, he went to rehab for five months. You know, you don't do that for Alic. Then it was, oh, it was a publicity stunt. You know that he went to rehab. They all go to rehab for a publicity stunt. No, he got sober before he went, and then he dug deep and he said, I'm not leaving until I really get restored and I go back and make amends with everyone in my life. So I would say, he's back to the same person. And then my other son, Victor is seriously the kindest, sweetest person you'll ever meet in your life. I don't even remember disciplining him as a child. He was just this pretty much a perfect child. It's amazing. So I'm just proud of both of my boys. And we had to hit rock bottom and I say in my intro that we had to crash and burn like marshmallows on a fire, but we're back.

Well, I would like to say he's not a different person because in his childhood he was the sweet Army that he is today. And I love every set that I went on when he was acting. Every single set, I would say, people would come up to me and say, your son is the nicest person I've ever met in my life. He remembers everybody's name. He treats everybody with respect. I've heard that for the twenty years that he's been doing this. Maybe not twenty, I don't know how many years it is, but so I think he's come back to the person he used to be. He's not medicating, you know, he has dealt with the situation. At fourteen, he went to rehab for five months. You know, you don't do that for Alic. Then it was, oh, it was a publicity stunt. You know that he went to rehab. They all go to rehab for a publicity stunt. No, he got sober before he went, and then he dug deep and he said, I'm not leaving until I really get restored and I go back and make amends with everyone in my life. So I would say, he's back to the same person. And then my other son, Victor is seriously the kindest, sweetest person you'll ever meet in your life. I don't even remember disciplining him as a child. He was just this pretty much a perfect child. It's amazing. So I'm just proud of both of my boys. And we had to hit rock bottom and I say in my intro that we had to crash and burn like marshmallows on a fire, but we're back.

I love that. Well, thank you so much for coming on.

I love that. Well, thank you so much for coming on.

Thank you for your time. I really appreciate it.

Thank you for your time. I really appreciate it.

Okay, thank you golf, Okay, thanks by bye.

Okay, thank you golf, Okay, thanks by bye.

Oh.

Oh.

I love a mom's heart.

I love a mom's heart.

I think that's like the biggest takeaway is like the Alma's heart, you know, which I didn't really get until I became a mom.

I think that's like the biggest takeaway is like the Alma's heart, you know, which I didn't really get until I became a mom.

I don't know that you yet. I don't think you fully can.

I don't know that you yet. I don't think you fully can.

Yeah, yeah, I don't think of most anything you can really fully understand until you walk at yourself in life in general.

Yeah, yeah, I don't think of most anything you can really fully understand until you walk at yourself in life in general.

Well even if you think about even being a mom. Let's say, because I thought about this some manytimes, like if you have a child that like murders someone or that does something, how hard that would be. I mean, I can't even imagine that as a mom, how you still love but you know, you'll still love your child. There's no way to not love your child no matter what they've done.

Well even if you think about even being a mom. Let's say, because I thought about this some manytimes, like if you have a child that like murders someone or that does something, how hard that would be. I mean, I can't even imagine that as a mom, how you still love but you know, you'll still love your child. There's no way to not love your child no matter what they've done.

Right, you might be to the was it.

Right, you might be to the was it.

And the letter in is the M degree M degree because in the thing it's into in it's a degree I.

And the letter in is the M degree M degree because in the thing it's into in it's a degree I.

Think with the I think into the nth degree. Let's just go with that. You're still gonna love. Yeah, you're your child no matter how horrendous it is.

Think with the I think into the nth degree. Let's just go with that. You're still gonna love. Yeah, you're your child no matter how horrendous it is.

Yeah. Yeah, But but that that's I mean, and that's why it's such a tough one though.

Yeah. Yeah, But but that that's I mean, and that's why it's such a tough one though.

But also like again, like I just remember, like I'll never forget calling my exes. Sorry I mean to cut you off, but my ex's parents when everything went down in Orlando, like just their whole world spinning and being like what, No, that's not our son because it's like you you almost can't imagine that your kids could do.

But also like again, like I just remember, like I'll never forget calling my exes. Sorry I mean to cut you off, but my ex's parents when everything went down in Orlando, like just their whole world spinning and being like what, No, that's not our son because it's like you you almost can't imagine that your kids could do.

Something like that because I believe it's not.

Something like that because I believe it's not.

You know.

You know.

And then so it's like I can't imagine being in this situation where you're like you want to eat people, you know what I mean, Like you you taste the blood, like it's like there's just like it's like a what right, I'm so confused.

And then so it's like I can't imagine being in this situation where you're like you want to eat people, you know what I mean, Like you you taste the blood, like it's like there's just like it's like a what right, I'm so confused.

Well, and it's like even having her on, it's like you want to like argue those things, right, but also like it is.

Well, and it's like even having her on, it's like you want to like argue those things, right, but also like it is.

Hers do you argue with the mom? Literally like me?

Hers do you argue with the mom? Literally like me?

But he says he wanted and I appreciated what you were you kind of went well, it's not subjective. He did text saying like he wanted to eat her her ribs and like break your bones, so like, but also I understand someone being sick, you know what I mean, and like I can relate it to like though it's different, it was still you know, a sexual thing of sickness, you know.

But he says he wanted and I appreciated what you were you kind of went well, it's not subjective. He did text saying like he wanted to eat her her ribs and like break your bones, so like, but also I understand someone being sick, you know what I mean, and like I can relate it to like though it's different, it was still you know, a sexual thing of sickness, you know.

But she's always going to with the mom. I guess like she's going to.

But she's always going to with the mom. I guess like she's going to.

I think she's argue word like she doesn't and I think she did a beautiful job of he was morally wrong obviously, okay. And that he's been healed, who knows to we'll say they've been healed all the time, who knows. And that's not for us to even to decide if he's healed or not. That's between him and God, not even my you know, my thing. But I'm like, you could go back and forth all day long. But but but and then she could go back and so forth and said, well he said this, he didn't really mean it like that, but like that doesn't.

I think she's argue word like she doesn't and I think she did a beautiful job of he was morally wrong obviously, okay. And that he's been healed, who knows to we'll say they've been healed all the time, who knows. And that's not for us to even to decide if he's healed or not. That's between him and God, not even my you know, my thing. But I'm like, you could go back and forth all day long. But but but and then she could go back and so forth and said, well he said this, he didn't really mean it like that, but like that doesn't.

Yeah, but anybody gets pressed ready, they know exactly what they need to say. He's not criminally wrong, he's morally like they have to get buttoned up, right. And I also I get she's a mom. She's going to defend, but she's also not coming in with a on her shoulder, either, right, which I think why you don't even need to argue, right, But I also don't want to take away any of like the victims exactly. I just want to say that because one hundred percent from watching those things, that is their stories, that is their you know that it was their life, and you know, I think maybe he wasn't. Again, we don't know the ins and outs of it. I know he wasn't criminally charged, but that victim might have been let down in that criminal system as well, so like things that went on. So I just don't want to take away from like their emotions, feelings and what they went through because I can't imagine being subjected to some of that stuff. That's why I was like, it's actually not pulled out of nowhere because it's factual information, right that he has said those things, So maybe that's not criminal, but that doesn't make it okay, right, right, And.

Yeah, but anybody gets pressed ready, they know exactly what they need to say. He's not criminally wrong, he's morally like they have to get buttoned up, right. And I also I get she's a mom. She's going to defend, but she's also not coming in with a on her shoulder, either, right, which I think why you don't even need to argue, right, But I also don't want to take away any of like the victims exactly. I just want to say that because one hundred percent from watching those things, that is their stories, that is their you know that it was their life, and you know, I think maybe he wasn't. Again, we don't know the ins and outs of it. I know he wasn't criminally charged, but that victim might have been let down in that criminal system as well, so like things that went on. So I just don't want to take away from like their emotions, feelings and what they went through because I can't imagine being subjected to some of that stuff. That's why I was like, it's actually not pulled out of nowhere because it's factual information, right that he has said those things, So maybe that's not criminal, but that doesn't make it okay, right, right, And.

I think it's really important, and it's really important. I wish I knew the stats because I was thinking about this when she was talking about it. People that commit I guess he did not commit sexual crimes, but who dream about them, who think about them, who commit them. There's a huge stat of those who have been molested as a child. I don't know what that is, but that's a huge number, and I think that's a very important talking point.

I think it's really important, and it's really important. I wish I knew the stats because I was thinking about this when she was talking about it. People that commit I guess he did not commit sexual crimes, but who dream about them, who think about them, who commit them. There's a huge stat of those who have been molested as a child. I don't know what that is, but that's a huge number, and I think that's a very important talking point.

That goes un.

That goes un.

Treated so many times, and that turns into so many bad things in the future. And I just think that that's I don't know what the answer to that is. I don't know what could have changed that situation. Would it have changed had his parents known and got him into therapy, or would he still have had those issues?

Treated so many times, and that turns into so many bad things in the future. And I just think that that's I don't know what the answer to that is. I don't know what could have changed that situation. Would it have changed had his parents known and got him into therapy, or would he still have had those issues?

I don't know.

I don't know.

And that's such a fear as a mother, because it's like one act like that that is out of your control can change the trajectory of that person's life.

And that's such a fear as a mother, because it's like one act like that that is out of your control can change the trajectory of that person's life.

For the rest of their life.

For the rest of their life.

And that's just something that when she said that, I'm like, man, that's heavy, and that's scary, and I wanted to ask her, but I don't know that she knows the answer more than getting him help right away. What is the answer to that when that happens to someone else at fourteen, so it doesn't turn into some thing that he that person is dealing with when they're an adult.

And that's just something that when she said that, I'm like, man, that's heavy, and that's scary, and I wanted to ask her, but I don't know that she knows the answer more than getting him help right away. What is the answer to that when that happens to someone else at fourteen, so it doesn't turn into some thing that he that person is dealing with when they're an adult.

Well, I think again too, I don't know the statistics of it, but most of the times you don't know about it until years and years and years after. So like I'm sure I would think that she wouldn't have known it, you know, right, But because if something like that happened just now, knowing everything like in life today, like if if if because I think they're they feel ashamed or they think here's their falter, which is why a lot of those survivors and victims don't talk about it because they feel the shame a piece of it. So I think, if you know, if someone was to come to us and that happened, then I'd be like, we're going into therapy, you know what I mean. But even then you still don't know their repercussions, like what happens, right, So it's scary and a lot of times they're groomed to not say a word like it's it's for me to feel like you wanted this.