Break Down to Break Through: Part 2

Published Jun 30, 2022, 4:00 AM

Jana’s conversation with Onsite founder Miles Adcox continues.

Wind down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast. Okay, so we're back. UM. I wanted to give space, uh for the experience of on site UM and I want I wanted to bring UM this again to you guys. This is the second half of the interview that we did with Miles, and I just think it's UM. Yeah, I'm excited for you guys to hear the second part of this and UM getting the mindset and here you are, here's the second half. So what are the programs because I know there's the Living Centered, UM, I know the one that I did, the Learning to Love Yourself has now become healing, love and relationships, right, which is kind of what I came in on with a group setting, even though I was I was intensive. But and then you have what are the other programs? You have? Living Centers your most most popular one. That's the one I would want you to do, Cat and you too, well, I personally for me when I was talking to Miles, like, I again, I've I've I've gone through the similar Living Centered in the you know, learning to Love Yourself was kind of like there was there was models from from that. But if you don't know again, miles. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But what I've kind of told my friends is like, if you if you know your childhood traumas and the things and all of that. Um, I think in an individual for me was what I needed because I wanted to pin I wanted to dig deeper and some of the things that I already knew, which is why I thought an individual would work better for me. But if you don't really know certain things I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong. You're you're the you do you tell us which one is best for people. We've got we've got a menu programs, and we've we've narrowed the focus a little bit over the last couple of years just because it's supply and demand. We've just got such high demand right now, and we want to make sure what we pull off we pull off really well. And I want to preserve our staff so that we don't create some of the burnout that we see in the people we support, even though it's been hard last two years because everybody in my profession has been churning really hard. But uh, we've narrowed our focus. I stepped out of day to day about a year ago. I think I was telling you this, Janna when we were checking in, so that I could step into our our holding company and our foundation and run both of those with a lot of new initiatives that we're building in a five year plan to really scale up our programming, so I'm not as familiar with which ones were actually running. But there are the staples like learning our Living Centered program, which is kind of a flagship program that we're known for. It's kind of a five day catch all that anybody going through any type of adversity, stress, transition, or just looking for deeper insight. Uh, It's a great place to start. I recommend it too, is a first step. Uh. There is also Healing Trauma Program, which is a five day trauma immersive group experience. It's also really powerful and sometimes that's a better fit upfront. There's Love and Relationship program, which Jenna talked about, which is another really good and then we do a lot of customized individual, couple, family type stuff, but usually an assessment would help lay out the best need in your case, Janet, we were talking about in occasionally, if somebody follows up after they've done a couple of group programs, you can really get laser focused with an individual, but you'll miss a lot of the other dynamics that the education. So I like it as a follow up. But often if if somebody is really public and what they do, uh, and I feel like because they might have been through a press cycle, uh that and I really want to get the eyes off of them, then I'll I'll suggest an individual just to insulate them a little bit more. But I've also put public people in groups and and done really well as well. So I don't know if that helped or confuse you more, But really the best step is get online, read about some of our programs, see if anything kinda feels relatable, and then let me get you on a call with a trusted voice on our end to help walk you through the process of assessing and figure out how we could guide you in the right spot. That's great, so good, so good you guys. Okay, so I have done like the pre call with your staff to get Preston and I this I'm telling you, like, we were just so close. It was right down. Yeah, it was like, you know, it's so much miles much time, do you but um, it's all good. It's just that I worked on the record label side of things. I married an artist, which is something I said I would never ever do, and it was all fast and it was all great, but you know, I had a previous marriage before, and so like when you speak of like this, the net of having some of the fallout when when you're going through divorce, like the net is crucial. So I just want to echo that one more time. But when your staff and I talked on the phone, and I'm very open to therapy, but I was a little intimidated because I felt like, this is we're talking the first I think the offer came in first, probably why I was like even pregnant with my little boys. So we're talking like four years ago, um, And I felt like now it's gained such a good steam that so many people recognize it as a place to go, like I have never saw on site is something that's intimidating, but my husband does and I've always seen it's like, first of all, you have at five minute drive, and just the idea of driving to open space does something for me in my Michigan heart. Probably I know, um, but your staff are so professional and so sweet, and just the questions they went through on the phone with me, just everything is so comfortable. You just make it feel safe from like the first call, which I think just really matters. I mean, you talk about the insulation, but the insulation for me starts with how private it is, how it felt very like you know, they didn't really no one was asking me who Preston was or who I was. It was more so like, Okay, so this is what we're doing, and this is what you want to focus on. It was just it's really a beautiful community of people you have there. So then what would it take for Preston, Like what do you think there's something that like I think now so he's with both of you know, Brian Kelly and Tyler Hubbard and Tyler Hubbard. Both Brian and Tyler have been very open. Those are the Florida Georgia line guys for those that don't know country music. Um, they've been very open about the benefits of on site. And so I think now having that he's willing to go, I would say, we're in a two thousand nineteen pace right now, So I don't know that like it would be the time for us is probably going to be this winter, but I would love for us to go again. I feel like we're at a better place as a couple to actually hear each other. We work with Chad at Porter's Call pretty intimately, and so I think his view now of therapy has like this healthier and like a more safe feeling for him. I mean, we can't be married without Chad. I'm pretty public about that, so I tell everyone Chad's coming to our anniversary dinner every year because he's our guy. But I think I just think the way that your people that love and support you, um Miles and on site are just so open about what it's done. And I've seen in insane change in Janna since this last on site, and I've said that to her, like there is there's just a difference. It's a really special difference progress and not that I'm the judge of progress look at but it's just a different certainty about her. There's a different knowing of who she really is, not like what she's supposed to be. I can't look at he right now, We'll both start crying. But it's I've seen what you guys have done for people, and it just it matters. Would you be open to sharing that weatherr how I'm curious to hear it. But I think it might even be better if you just told her. I have told her, Um, I think for both, well, here we go. I'm going to enroll with myself. No, I just feel like I'm not ready for this. Today we both have felt like lost girls. I think a lot we have I need to like lock it up. I'm also not a pretty crier. I told the girl. I was like, I'm not a pretty crier. Some of us look like cartoons. And I was like, I'm in a medical emergency. But um, I told her, I think like Janna and I had bonded over the fact that like we have missed the Michigan versions of ourselves, like the simplified like small town, and this Nashville life has or industry life has a way of like kind of sneakily robbing that from you. And so the biggest thing I think I've seen and it was kind of ironic because I had found these really super cute Michigan sweatshirts for us, and it was ironic because it was after she got back, But it was almost like a reminder to both of us to just stay true to the heart of it. I think, But I feel like I've seen more of that girl in Janna over the last month or so than ever and just a lessoned control, which I think the whole church that aim in um. But yeah, like I've just seen the less anxious version and I want to touch your hair, but you just washed it. I want. Yeah, thanks for sharing that. That's uh. I think it's it's one of the most And look, I know we've we've talked a lot about on site here, which I'm thankful for because I really believe in the mission. However, it's it's bigger than one one place or one program. The conversation I hope is encouraging not only for the four of us that are here in it, but that it would ripple out. And just because if you strip back, you know, what do you guys do really at the end of the day, We help people say the unset and speak truth into themselves and into the people they care about. And you just did that in a beautiful way. And I think our in our you know, we're culturally conditioned not to do that because we think we have to look and feel a certain way. And uh, I like breaking cultural norms, especially on behalf of pouring some empathy into each other's hearts because right now there's a there's a real void of that as you know out in culture. And you mentioned you know the stress of kind of being in your profession and and I don't know if I've shared this with I don't I've shared it with Jenna before, but kind of this artist or creative's dilemma. And I've worked with a lot of artists in all genres with this model, but now I'm seeing it's very prevalent to you for those that are with the artist or you know, spouses of artists or in the artist camp because you know you're you're in that environment to do right. I mean, it's like a not what I would have signed up for for myself, right and it very quickly it's you know, the artists or creatives dilemma would go that public professions they create abnormal life circumstance is and we could take a panel right now and say what's abnormal about being public or or building a platform to distribute art? And there's a lot from the pace, uh you know, to um always being always having to be, on being public, on and on and on. Public professions create abnormal life circumstances we know from our space and the Human Service Bus. Instead, abnormal life circumstances create high levels of stress. We also know that unaddressed stress creates anxiety, depression, uh strained relationships, addictions, etcetera. Ironically, all of which kill creativity and connection. So the two of the big attributes that bring people to the dance and the music space are their creativity and their ability to connect. That's usually what gets you up in the morning, keeps you up at night. And you're signing up for a career that, if commercially successful, was designed to kill it, and it's really interesting. Usually people lean forward and they're like, well, wait a minute, and but there's good news too. It's not just daunting. It's just that most of the people behind the career aren't going to tell you that up front or just before they invest in launching you out of a canyon to phone you out on radio tour of the single without spending and investing some time saying hey, this is not just possible, it's probable, but there is something we can do about it. You know, if you know this, it goes from obstacle to opportunity. If we can educate and inform me up front. Then you can actually have a successful, sustainable career in a fast paced, stressful environment and have yourself to show at the end of it, not this personality you've created. And that's the goal I think for any of us that do public facing stuff. Where do you find yourself struggling because you are so public? And um, what's what's the thing that um you kind of see yourself revisiting a lot? Well, this last two years, I've really done some deep reflection on just that because I I made a choice. You know, I think probably back when I met you, I had not made the choice yet to be public in my profession. I was still felt like my best role as an advocate for mental wellness emotional health is to be behind the curtain. And uh, you know, finally I started doing a lot of media back in the day, and I saw this this dangerous but enlightening intersection of mental health and media where I would get some critique, you know, if I got if I went on The Doctors or Doctor Feel or any of these shows, and I'd get some critique from my space because they'd be like, you can't go on and talk about our work. It kind of exploits it. And I said, well, if we don't exploit it in a positive way, then we're going to continue to complain about the stigma that those in our industry, we're the one creating it because we box in our information. We've got to figure out a way to get this message out here in a better way. So I made that choice Jenna back then that I'm gonna try this. It's gonna be messy at times, but I'm gonna start doing media. And you know, I flew out to l A And did a show for a year, hosted a show myself for Fox, and really learned a lot. But the more public I got, the more uh, it got really hard to practice a lot of what I've been preaching, so everything I've been saying and testing theories for public personalities. When it got really close to home, I was like, Oh, this is harder than I ever imagine. Now. The beauty is that it was humbling, uh And I'm not Uh. You know, my my goal is not necessarily to be public too as for my job, because I've got a job, and but but I've noticed that if I do put myself out there, more people typically get encouraged or get access to care. So I'm willing to go along for that ride and getting ready to finish a book and do stuff like that so I know more of its coming. But I've really, uh, I really struggled to um manage the pace because I'm guilty of when I feel stress instead of if I put things down, I'll pick up more than I'm putting down as a stress response. So I found myself, uh, Janna, to answer your question over working a little bit like during the pandemic, when I had an opportunity to come home because we had to shut things down. I I've wanted that for a long time, to be home and be present and not have responsibility. But I had this stress of like I gotta keep eighty people employed with no income, and I wanted I was determined to do it, and there was nothing I could do at that time other than do what everybody else did, which is less waited out and see what happens. But I generated all this activity and got myself busier than I was pre pandemic, and I thought, this is a full stress response, and what does it do to me? It invades my marriage, um, it impacts me as a father, UM, it it gets me back in that space of survival, which you know, we can get into my story a lot, but that's where I started. I came from a really great, well intended family that wasn't perfect, and we did a lot of things well, but we didn't do emotion. And and you know, I would say we were kind of illiterate and around the emotional piece. But I'm so thankful for the other parts. And now full circle, you know, we've my parents are doing their best parenting now in their seventies. It's remarkable how they're showing up because they tap into that emotional piece. Yeah they've done they've gone and done smon size stuff and um. But you know, anyway, I went on a rent there. When he said what's going on? I said a lot. You're sure you got time for this, but I I when when I go into that stress response, my immediate is to shut down emotion. And you don't really get an integrated version of me. Uh, you get this stoic, disconnected version of me. And my wife's got a really good radar for it. She knows when that guy shows up at home versus the present. You know, Dad and I would say I've done more of that in the last two or three years, and I'm proud of and it's created, and it's created quite a bit of distraction in my life. I lost a little focus for it, lost sleep over it. Now here's the good news is Um, you know it's not I say this all the time in our space. Carlos, a guy that works for says it all the time. It's it's not about the rip. It's really about the repair. And so when that comes to relationships and how you pursue you will never do this perfectly like people sometimes think. Because I work in this space, I'm armed with all these tools and I must live this perfectly congruent life. And some days, yes, but some days I'm just a hot mess, just like everybody else. And but I'm I'm a hot mess that has tools and and and the lag time between how long I'll let life run me versus me reclaiming my life has short has gone from this to this over the years. So when I do have a setback, Um, it doesn't take me three months to notice it. It takes me like three days and I'm like, oh, I better double down, We better do a little work around this, or else it could get it could get really really tough. That's going to my new Instagram handle, hot Mess with Tools, my new dating dating profile, hot Mess with the Duels hot Mess No. I love I love what you said though, and I think it's um yeah, I think that's beautiful. And I love the family system in that too, and how you know you were raised in something and then you know your parents, you're you're able to see, you know, the version that you've kind of always wanted. And then but you also see how why you were the way that you were because your parents weren't emotional and you didn't talk about emotions. And I know Catherine is connecting. I kind of looked at you when he said that because it's like that's you know, and and to see maybe what your kids will have experience like with Myles experienced as a kid. It was actually huge to hear because like that's what gets me. It's like being the parent, like doing that again, like to my kids, that's what will make me cry. So that is probably why I will end up in on site. But you know, but what a gift you'll give to so that way, I mean, Miles, you know, he was in that home and it's like hearing that, like what it can be like to not have that emotion and talk about it that's affected certain things, And like, I'm shocked to hear that about you, like that you come from a home that doesn't talk about emotions, you know. I mean, it's it's good to hear that, though, because I'm just used to people like me that still don't really like to talk about emotions. You know, they grew up that way. So I think it's more common than you think. I mean, i'd honestly say that's why my husband's probably was intimidated at first, I see. And that's why I say I joke around a lot like that I'm was the guy in the relationship. It's really just because I feel like I find more men that are that way they don't like to talk about their emotions. But I mean, I'm finding a lot more women too, But that's kind of like the more common thing for sure. I think something you guys do really special, Miles, is you also just provide like the gift of time to people at on site. And that's one thing I just wanted to like make sure I pointed out, because I think this world is first of all, we like opened back up, and we like quadruple booked ourselves, which is the burnout and in the exhaustion, and all of us are in this like twenty nineteen pace with you know, are in mind. But when you gift people time with themselves, that's why it's never been intimidating. I guess to me is just because I'm like, oh gosh, what I wouldn't give for someone to just actually protect my own time with myself is how I've always envisioned on site. Well, that's why I love the The first day of not having any phone or it was very hard to give that up because what do you what do I do at night when I go to my Instagram or I scroll or I text you guys or anyan us, Like I'm really nervous. It's like a long time. Well I know, and this is like that's you know. That was my way of you know, coping with maybe anxiety or coping with um my loneliness, or coping with and was was the cell phone, was the internet? Was was you guys and um And I will tell you when that what fifth day hit to get my phone, I was like I don't want it back. I don't I literally did not want my phone back. I want to talk to you guys, but I didn't want to sign back on Instagram. I didn't want I literally like was just like I loved. I loved who I was without all the distraction. I loved my book I read. I loved the community. I loved having a conversation without someone and them not picking up their phone and going huh yeah, like to actually have like normal conversations and just be And I think that's when you said like the anxious thing, which that was one of the things that I've noticed the most about myself. But also I learned intention and just um, really being intentional was something that I took away from that as well as and just just being peace, like just having peace and just being settled and sitting in you know now um because mymer therapists like start going on walks without your phone and I was like, oh, Amy, that's not happening. But then I got back from month's I walk without my phone was not dangerous. Well as to around the neighborhood. Yeah, like I'll just you know, run or whatever. But it's like just the distraction is just a lot. So I I personally loved that time for myself. I did you to be with yourself? Right? I mean like when on your phone, you're not focused on yourself whatsoever. And then was like what the forces. But the funniest thing of this was Miles. I was like, how am I going to get so they have these alarm clocks. I was like, I don't know how to use this thing. Back in the days of or the Oregon Trail, I got looked at it. Go get someone to show me how to use this alarm clock. I was pretty sure I'm not making like I'm not gonna wait watch listen I did. I did a one day grief retreat and I managed everyone's expectations that I wasn't going to be on my phone, and I did one full day. So I feel like I could do it now I've tried. What what Jan is describing is. It is almost across the board. It used to be one of our biggest obstacles or disadvantages, the fact that we decided to do a digital plan there digital detox. When you're with us and there were people you known years ago, they wouldn't come over that. They're like, no way, I'm not coming to give up my phone now. We've seen, just as we've seen the paradigm starting to shift a little bit around people coming to pursue their work. That's starting to open up and it's not as much stigma. There's still some, but people now are like they'll they'll call and be like, I don't want to do anything therapy, crap. I'm just coming to give you my damn phone and then driveway up. That's the kunk out of or an opportunity now. But they but I will say everybody goes through that digital detox. It takes about we need to research it to get the number down, but I'm just a yeah, yeah, about twenty fourty eight hours and then ninety plus percent do not want it back. I mean, they want to talk to their kids and family, but they do not want that constant, invasive distraction. And that's that's a big part of it. In in today's culture, we just we have a deaf set of self awareness. And I think a good dose of self awareness and empathy could just change the world if we could do it collectively. But the brain doesn't have the opportunity to heal itself unless you can see itself. And the only way it sees itself is if we can limit distraction, limit medicators thing we used to numb out our brain and slow down enough that we can be in real time with ourselves and other people. That's the biggest That's a bigger part of the gift is any therapy you'll do there is just limiting distractions. Miles aware can our listeners find everything that you do? Um and everything that you're working on because you have so much to offer, and like you said, there's other spaces to like if people want to go through um you know a thirty day talks and so where where can people find everything that you're that you're doing and helping people? Well, thanks for asking that. Uh. Well, on site Workshops is our website on site workshops dot com and uh, you can. I'm on Instagram. Um, I don't spend as much time as they tell me I should. I just have a hard time with that relationship. So but it's at Miles ad Cox. I do talk about some of our stuff there and write a lot there. Uh And at on site Workshops we've got a team managing that. So there are a lot more active and if you are on socials, it's a positive place you can go to get encouragement versus distraction, and it will also invite you into some of our programming and what we do. It will also help your algorithm on Instagram. Yeah, if you like, well, if I follow you follow on site, then I start to get other like really good nuggets of information accounts and not like you know by this trying of bikini, Is there one thing you want to leave people with? If there's one thing, there's one thing that you learn that you want to leave us with people listening, what would that be? Well, I think when people think of and again, I know we spend a lot of time talking about what I do and talking about on site, but this, this conversation I hope is is heard differently. It's not really about a place or a program. It's more about you and investing in what I feel you deserve, which is living into the best version of who I know you can be. I don't know a human on the planet that that escapes adversity, and everybody escape. Everybody experiences adversity, Everybody experiences stress, but not all of us have a natural out thet to offload it. And if it compounds it, it just becomes trauma and it impacts us later on, invades our relationships and lives, and it's happened to me, it will happen to me again. And I feel like I'm on the planet just to help people get reconnected to who they are. So if you're thinking about pursuing a place like on Site, or if you need another mental health resource, you may be in a season of struggle and stress, and you may be in a season of things are going great. I'm just curious either way, don't think of it as a punitive experience or you know, it's what's wrong with you. I said that in the beginning, it's really what's right with you, and it's not. I said it was an emotional wellness retreat experience. But really, at the end of the day, it's just human school. And when we learned to become more humane to ourselves, we become more humane to other people. And I think that rested peak creates a better humanity. So and we just don't have natural places in our education system to learn about emotional intelligence and how how to be a better human, how to do relationships better, how to lead better. And so that's that's what I'm on the planet to do. In part has helped create some of those resources, and so they're out there. They're in a lot of places. We've got some and and ours aren't always accessible. We've got some, as Jena mentioned in the beginning, we've got some UH Foundation UM initiatives. We just had a group there last week. They were all completely covered for free that we're all survivors and mass shootings. That we took a week of programming. UH. Can I share a thirty second story? Please? Please, issue. I want you to share. I can don't care if this one goes for five hours. I love just everything you share. So I'm so passionate about our Foundation programs UM and we what we'll do is close the campus for a week and just invite vulnerable populations that don't have the means to come and be able and give them a world class experience. And we just did one UM and there was a friend of mine there who's an artist in another genre. Now I say another genre. Those of you that are listening to this, not all of you live in Nashville and live around the country. Genre. I just spent a lot of time there as these folks. But he's in another genre, much bigger genre, and it's had a significant commercial success. Is a brilliant guy. And uh, once a year before he heads out on an album release or a tour, he he wants to come to a tune up. And it just so happened it landed alongside this program, the Triumph over Tragedy program. And I didn't realize those overlapped. I was actually out of town when he was there, but he Uh, one night in our dining area restaurant, he picked up a guitar. He's by himself, everyone was gone, the building was empty, and he picked up a star and started to play, and there was a young woman that came in, and uh, he asked him if she could sit down, and he said sure, and just assumed it was probably somebody who knew who he was. Um, it turns out she didn't. And um, they he played for like an hour for her, as my understanding, and or just played for an hour. She was there, You didn't know we'd planned for her. But the next and then they left, and then the next day, Um, she approached him tearfully and said, hey, I just want to thank you. And again he assumed, probably thinking her for the private concert from somebody like him. But it wasn't that. He said, I want to thank you because I never thought I'd be able to hear live music again after experiencing Root ninety one Harvest Festival, and this is the first time I've set and heard live music, and I think it changed my life. And uh, that was not something that we created. That was something that I could only give credit to God, and that is something bigger than us created. We just put together an environment where people can be authentic and be real. And we could have probably done all the therapy in the world, and I'm not sure we could have created the experience for that young woman who who got something stolen from her that day and she got she got to reclaim it um and and for him, he was like, hey, you know, he said, I don't I don't know what I came for. But if all I came for was to get that, that's the most important performance I've ever done in my life. So I just to get to swim in waters like that where you get to hear and see miracles every day is such a gift and I'm just grateful to be a part of it, to be representing such a great team. And anyway, I don't know why I wanted to share that story. Beautiful, you know there's that's as we're all weeping. I know it's beautiful though, but it kind of you know, this is similar to the music piece. But there was a few people that could play guitar when we were doing UM. When I was there, and so we were out back, and I had I told myself that I would go back to my room every night and just you know, read my book UM in journal, and some nights I did. The other nights, I'm like, again, I just became you become like such a commun to do that. You just want to hang out with these people and and and laugh and play games and UM. One of the nights, UH, they were playing guitar to two of the guys and UH, one of the other girls UM was started we started singing like worship songs, and so we started singing way Maker and um with a beautiful name. And one of the girls that was there, I noticed that she started crying. And when we were done, I was like, I asked her. I was like, okay, and she goes, I've had the worst relationship with the church, and that's one of the reasons why I'm here and she goes, I've never sat down to listen to worship music. I've always stormed out. She's like, this is the first time where I felt like peace to like stay and like I actually like listened to and hear it. And so she was like that was awesome. And so it was just like something that music can do to to like really just because she was just like, this is one that was one of the reasons why she was there. She hated the church and she wanted to reclaim and she's like, I've I've never I've always gotten up always, and she was just like there was just something just hearing these like the X and you guys and like who you guys are as people and the safety like yeah, it was safe for her because it was never safe, like she grew up in this cult. So and that's the that's I love hearing that. And that's the idea that the last I guess takeaway I would share is that it's safety I've learned is not in in for years, I would I would say the opposite. I would be like, hey, create safe people if I and I've learned that safety doesn't it's not really an external proposition. It doesn't fully exist out there, but you can create it in here. And I'm pointing out my heart for those that can't see me. I think you can do the work to clean clean your heart and and and increase safety. And when you've got safety on board for you, you can go into imperfect and unsafe environments when you're going to experience those, even in mental health places, and and and come out with your feet on the ground and taking what you can and leaving the rest. And I just I love hearing when experiences happened like that, that happened organically that we don't create. And a lot of people, it's amazing how many people you have to come that have struggled with their faith or their relationship. And people know I've been a little more outspoken to my faith. So people assume we're a faith based organization, and I want to say that too, that we're not a We're not faith based. We are faith inclusive. That means we don't exclude people for what they do and don't believe. We believe everybody's welcome. And you can you can feel comfortable there if if you follow a certain belief system and have a religious beliefs, and you can be an atheist and feel just as welcome and comfortable there. Yeah, no, I remember that for sure. When I came the twelve years ago, however long I was was because at the time I had a real bad relationship and I was like, why would I pray to a father? Father has always been the one to let me down, like fat. But then from there is when I kind of got the idea of like, Okay, my God might just look a little more different than other people's God the most of my higher power. But I started with higher power and then it's you know, obviously led me into my you know, Christian life now baptized, and that that was the start of my journey of faith, was going down site um And again y'all didn't push it on me at all. It was more like, let's just find some kind of higher power. What does that person look like to you? Is it a lake? Is it a is it is it a grandfather? Is that you know where it's like? If and so that they don't they don't push on you. But this last go around, it was God was in the room with me. Because I've found that now, So I think that the journey of that too, is was a beautiful thing. And I love that you said that, like it's not You're definitely inclusive, but you don't force it so that journey and everybody should hear this, regardless if you're thinking about on site or not. Right now because the world is a little bit burned out. The world is really stressed. Every statistic is up in every mental health category. I've never seen anything quite like it. Um. But I also have followed the human experience over time. I've done research and due diligence, I've walked with a lot of people through challenging circumstances. And we will and can, I believe, come out of this better than we came into it. I think there's an opportunity. It's hard to you right now because it feels like I could get much worse. We've got wars going on and uh, the economy and we just came out of a global pandemic and everything is up. Uh. But but I can. I've got I've got both um the fear of where we are, but I'm leading with some optimism of what I've seen around human beings and how we have the ability to change and come back together. And I kind of think we're headed there. I think we're asking better questions. You know, when I used to when I was burned out, I would immediately saying what's wrong with my job? And I don't. I don't ask the question what's missing at work when I feel burned out, I say what's missing from home, what's missing in life? And those are great questions, not daunting questions, are just great curious questions. And I've always found on the other end of that thread that I've become better when I lean in and just want to learn who I am and how I'm impacting me and the people around me. And I think you guys can too. So I just love that you guys are talking about this. It's been a treat and I appreciate it, you guys having me. Yeah, Myles, I just you know how much I love you, and I love all the work that you do. And I'm just I'm so glad to have you as a friend and um and the community that you've um you know that you've built to help so many people, I mean just so many people, and it's um, it's just such a gift what you give people. And I just really and what you know, the p you were so the therapist you bring in like you're so you were so um intentional with who you paired me up with, and you know that's just like it's just such a gift of what you do and how intentionally you are with things. And so I just I'm excited to for your books. I'm excited for everything you do. And UM, I hope everyone follows, follows along and UM gives them, gives them the what's the the fitness? What was what was your emotional fitness from the O G from them? To thank you the O G for this conversation. Oh take it. I don't need the credit, but I'll take it. Thank you Miles so much. You're so sweet, Thank you, thank you all right, You're the best. Yeah, oh man, just take a deep breath. Man, that like root in any one story, just like because it's so true though, because you will, you will have an experience with someone that gives you a gift when you're there. You will. And that's like it's like what that one girl got, like she got when when she listened to the music, or that you know, both of them, it's like there's there's something, there's a gift in something that someone will give to you and then yeah, I gotta love that place, and let's I think we should go and have a little lunch there. Maybe one day, eat some of the sonic ice. I can show you because I threw um, it's like visiting your school before you go, Catherine exactly, Kristen. But no, I think like there's this, um, there's this really beautiful together. No, but there was this really beautiful stream that I did some insane healing work because I didn't realize UM when I went there, Like I knew I had all my stuff, but I didn't realize how much shame I was holding onto. UM. I thought shame was yeah, something that like I did something wrong, But I had so many shame messages that that's what I think maybe, And that's where I think the anxious part of me came in was because I was trying to be like, um, double down for them. But I didn't realize that at the time. UM. And so I did this amazing experiential thing at a stream and it was just I mean I burned stuff, I threw things, I slammed down on UM. I had this like that, like I mean I went to town, um, but it's just like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna speak more on it eventually. I'm writing a lot of stuff on it right now about like what I went through there, but I'm still holding like lots of sacred space for it. Good. Yeah, um, but it was. But I do I notice a shift in me from leaving that place. Camer Way calmer, Yeah, way calmer. Um. But I love you guys, and I'm excited to go to on site. I feel like I just had a big, warm hug. I feel good? Does feel good? How do you feel in about a cap? I feel good? Yeah? That was good. That was helpful, that's for sure. Yeah. Alright, guys, We'll see you next week. See you

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