All This is Pratt with Heidi Pratt

Published Apr 10, 2023, 4:00 AM

We’re heading to The Hills when Jana catches up with Heidi Pratt for a real look at her time on reality TV, and what went on behind the scenes in her relationship with Spencer Pratt.
 
Find out who from The Hills she still keeps in touch with, and learn where she stands with Lauren Conrad!
 
Plus, Heidi shares an important lesson in faith and forgiveness

Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. All Right, guys, catch my breath? All right, are you good there? KB? Whoa thirty weeks you guys were closing in downs the gun. Yeah, because you can technically, I mean technically technically I've had friends. Okay, what was it, twenty four weeks? She just get dry breast one? No, I filled them in. Thanks for noticing. She looks really pretty. She has good makeup? Did good makeup? I need you look really refreshed, like you look like yourself still, just like very refreshed version, which is my favorite kind of makeup for people. I just got some new just like yeah, like moisturize her anyway. Thanks. Yeah, I was just like sorry. It was the first time I looked at you, and I was like, all right, I like it. Really sorry back to you, KB, Apologies were taking that away from you. It's a big moment. No, it's just a big body. Uh No, I was saying, because we've gosh, well, how how young were those twins that are people? Twenty four micro which is my girl. Yeah, they had like a zero or like a two percent, and but they both survived. I shouldn't be sorry. I should This has been a no. But I know, but I'm saying, but like, at this point, your baby could survive. I feel really like there is a point in pregnancy where you get to where you just started a little deeper. Yeah, a little until you got the stairs and then you're back out of breath again and then you get out of breath. Yeah, but it's good, so good. This has been my most um reassuring baby of the three. Real love the four really but um yeah, because I it moves so much. Oh so, I never wonder if if it's okay in there. I think she's like, hey, just so you know, like, I'm here, Mom, I'm here. Danna always thinks it's a girl. It's for sure a girl, Like I will get a boy. I will put money on it. That's a girl. Are you a good guesser? Mmm? I mean I have a fifty fifty shots, right. I usually am wrong, So whatever I guess is usually a sit for people. That's why I wonder if you're like, yeah, I'm undefeated. What were you guessing? Oh? I think it's a girl too. I've been correct with my own children, but everybody else is I'm horrible. Oh interesting, Yeah, I feel like I can like call It's like my sense of direction. You know direction you do. Thank you every time we're out of town. Just trust me, I know where I'm going. Thank you. Don't even meet a map, I just sniff it out. We're all trying to get the you know, it's like it's this way, guys. I don't know. I've just always been you know why. It's because I lived in the boonies from all of my friends and at that time, that was pre map quest. I try to figure out how to get to figure it out. It was pre map quest, Yeah, print it out just to figure it out. No, I think it was like so I was the oldest of the drivers and so I think it was. I remember printing it out, like going it going to someone's house. But it was like very new. Yeah, like because I was like having to write out mapst got me in the biggest trouble of my life. What happened. So my best friend Julie Cooper and I Mattie, she is still my best friend. Shout out to UK. I've never heard of her territorial here for it. So we printed out we were going to sneak off to Michigan State oh uh huh, which is like not like me. I get very nervous. I'm a rule follower. And we printed up the directions from her house to Michigan State and left them on the printer and her mom was like, you're going to go to Michigan State tonight and we were like, no, no way, and she like holds up the paper, what is this for? And I was like uh oh, and we were busted and then we were forbidden to see each other for like ever, isn't that senior? A senior senior in high school? Do you ever have Do you have a defining moment from childhood or something? Because mine came up just a couple days ago and I was walking with the kids, like I remembered something from our child hood that I've just I've it's always like it's it's just an interest story, just kind of like that where you get caught, Okay, okay, so it's where you get caught, yeah, and I got caught as a kid, but it's I mean, it's years is years is better, but it's I was the same mind for Kat can think about hers, but I me and my girlfriend Lindsay Crocker. Who did you met her. Yeah, I've never met her, so she's acceptable. Yeah, she's she came on the best one time. She's I mean, I mean we're not like you know, it was Lindsay Crocker. You're not like me and you go ahead there. It was Lindsay Crocker and Mary Dodge, and I was kind of always like so it was like me and Lindsay were the closest and then when there was the three of us, I was the outside. Okay, she was also close to Mary too, long story short, and Lindsay I was probably Jolie's age, like seven, six or seven. We wanted to do a dance show for our neighborhood and put on a dance like in the common area. So days on brand, are you okay? So I had we had made these flyers. We came up with this amazing dance in her basement of course perfect and my I wasn't allowed to cross the street like without a parent, and so what I did, and so my because we were had to hand out the flyers, right, I mean, when I go to the neighbor's house, like to give the flyers. Like, so my mom found out that you know, she saw the flyer in the other like in the mailbox, I think, or whatever, and I got grounded, and um, we never did our dance. But you know what's funny is I never really canceled it, so I don't even know that. I still wonder if anyone showed up, huge group, everyone in hand, wondering where. But I just remember getting like I couldn't cross the street. And so yesterday or the other day, when I was walking with the kids, I said, please stop at the stop sign, but they had then run across the street and gone home, and I was like, don't ever do that again. I was like, without mommy, because these cars I just go by so fast. But you know, and I wanted to be like and I had to cancel a dancers idea. They got grounding Kramer Cracker Done show was a big new show that was just Kramer and Cracker wasn't invited. He dodged one them. Thinking about all my kids running around the neighborhood right now, probably the streets different are a little older. So I've got Jace who doesn't look across with Jolie, and so I'm like, you can't just run brother across the street like that, like without looking you like more of the like Ramsey runs across the street to her, but like around a cold a sax, don't worry about it. Yeah, we're on the main like yeah, you are same, drive like no, no, like a highway basic and they like drive fast. And I'm like that parent that you're that one. I'm the old lady in the neighborhood. That's like waving my hand. Yeah. But it's like your kids live here. We had so many kids that run around in here that I just am like, you know, so I put my little uh turtle, I love your turtle with the flag in the middle of the street. You got one to um. All I can think about right now is I was not allowed to talk to boys on the phone. It was fifth grade. I remember I was ten. Fifth grade. A boy called this is back in the day when like the answering machine. That was the worst. When you're sitting for dinner and then all of a sudden, it's like, hey, it's Sam just calling. And I'm like, Sam looked really pretty today, choir, but go ahead, um. But Chris Blank called me. I just remember, and I don't remember what he wanted, but I remember my mom. Well, I went to the other room to get it. I remember walking in the hallway and her meeting me in the hallway. I mean, like, why was he calling? And I made up a lie like he needed something for school. Well, she was listening the entire time on the other way in Mine's not liar liar pants on fire? Yeah, Chris l Guys, Maggie went out on Broadway the other day. She did? She did you guys ready for a few of that? I have not, so I only listened to one of them. But are you ready? She's precious. Here we go. I've got the videos too, And this is gonna just be one second. I mean, this is I'm gonna show this video. I mean she's she's a bridesmaid. She's got some purple hair. Wait was she really a bridesmaid? Yeah? I mean she's wearing the I feel like you can't wear the t R if you're not a bridesmaid? What I didn't if she was like posing maid? What do you mean bridesmaid? Because this is the most okay, But if you're in Nashville, this is a very undercover look. If you didn't want to be noticed because a bridesmaid except ath Carolina Eline, what is your biggest dick in a relationship when they don't know how to clean up after themselves in the dishwasher, put your close in the hammer, right, it's not that difficult. I agree, don't you agree? I do agree wholeheartedly. Payton. And my question is what is a good agent? Get married? Oh? Pay good question? Pay In? Do you know my gutens was it? Never? Never? Never? Run? Payton? No? What is your I would say thirty two. That was my first divorce. I mean I would say thirty two or thirty five, Like I like thirty five, I feel thirty five. I don't know, because there's things I liked about being like well, having kids early, being married early, but having kids early. Um, but i'd say, like twenty eight to thirty. I still think I would have dined. I want you to be like solidly in your thirties. Yeah, I need a solid thirty two because yeah, the food. But it also depends where you're at, right, So like I wasn't fully there yet, but I don't think you really get there till your thirties anyways. Maybe I don't know. But then when you look a cat, well I was like this at eighteen, so like you know, like old, like acting grandma at the age of eighteen, but most people are. I do think it just matters. I think it matters what you know to be sure of about yourself. Yeah, for sure. M like I I knew when I was getting married the first time it was not the time same and I look back and I'm like why, But it was like such a smart choice, like to people's plans, that was mine. Oh yep, staying on branded people. This question is from from from from Broadway. Hi, I'm store me up from South Carolina, and my question is way in a relationship should you use are doing your partners laundry? Never? Ever? Also never never, someone's gonna wrap that up never never never a right three nevers And that was good from Broadway. I like personally, like I have I done? No, I haven't done Alan's laundry. H Allen strikes me as a do it yourself first and he does his laundry, and I think he's thrown mine in a few times. Oh he did. He threw mine in and then he left it kind of in a pile, the dry pile. And I don't like the dry pile because then it's then it's wrinkled. So I'm like in my mind, I'm like, let's I didn't say anything because it's like great is sweet thought at the same time, like I will just rewash it. M go, don't touch my stuff. I shouldn't be married. I don't. I'm probably just pregnant and tired. But I really this person to his own laundry he does now do it. I will I do all of ours if his isn't there to do. But he's usually in and out repacking so quick that he's like let me to he just does allowed. I have a question though, because you do the kids laundry? Do you do the kids lundry? Yeah? Yeah, same obviously. Yeah, it'd be nice if they would. I know you're still gonna say no to this, but we have to do like double laundry, so it would be nice if they picked up the slack too. I'm about to cast my husband publicly go work because he's like I caught us up on laundry the other day and I was like, okay, dry pile, heaping dry pile on top of like the laundry room counter, and I was like, so that's not caught up. Caught up to me is like those items are then in their room and roy GBIV in the closet hanging that's caught up. So those are done, but those are not folded, and they're not put in a basket, and they're not up to the next level. Mine get folded on the kitchen table. Okay, Sota doesn't put him step put it away? No no, no really. Now, if I'm like in the middle of putting up a bunch of laundry and I say, hey, can you help me take some of this up? Like take he will. But in his defense, the girls are pretty much the same size. They're literally like small medium, you know whatever. It makes me more mad when he puts it up, So I'm fine with that that I would like it in the basket. But he can't even separate the girls. He literally doesn't know who's who's and the girls at all. Yeah, Like I find my t shirts and loves pile and I'm just like, so that's just gonna get frustrated. So I am thankful for the folding though. That's nice. Yeah, the dry pile is like all done. I was like, um, I go in and Everest is like staring at me. Cool. Sometimes I'm guilty of that with nixt laundry though, because I need to move on from his and it's still in the dryer. So sometimes i'll do the dry pile you dry pilot sometimes only sometimes I appreciate No, it's not mean I appreciate alan though. I'll sit down on the couch and I'll start folding the kids clothes or my clothes or whatever, and he immediately grabs something and I go no, no, no no, no, no, no no no. He's like, let me help. He's like, I'm just saying like no. And then now I don't say no, I'm just like good, like sure, like if that's so sweet. He doesn't have to I'm not asking him to, but I just I appreciate the well. And I think at the end of the day, like if they're willing to help and they're trying to help, even if they don't know the way, that we should appreciate that. And I know it's not easy to do all the time, especially for me. I think it's it's uh, I like, and this is something I'll say too, where I like, like he's seen in the mornings, that's the very first thing I do as I empty the dishwasher, very first thing, same human because I don't like a dish in my saying right. And I know we talked about this before, but um, so that's the very first thing that I do. So that way the kids can then put their their stuff in the in the dishwasher. Um. And you know, one of the mornings I had was just like running late or whatever. That was the first thing that he did. So I was like he it's like he saw like my routine and like I was just like oh. I ended up being like thank you for that, like you would you saw what I do and then you yeah, I did it without even like asking her, because that's the something I don't like when people ask questions. Just just do it because when you ask, I'm like, no, no no, I got it. Yeah, always I got it, and then I'm tired. I got it. But what I mean to say is when I say I got it, I mean yes please. Yeah. When I say I got it'd be like ike out yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. When I say I got it, I got it, that's yeah. That's that's where you have to ask for I'm trying to get better by asking. I think we should get better at saying yes please. Yeah. I'm trying really hard because you almost can't get mad at the other person if they oh, yeah, no they don't. And then but then you're frustrated because it's like, but I really wanted you to do do. I'm up in third times a charm and by the third baby, I'm just gonna be like, yes, I'll take any help you can give me. I thought you talking about my marriages. Oh no, this is the final marriage? Oh amen, mine marriage? Or do you have any y? No? It was like, no, honey, I'm settled into mine. How has anyone had therapy with Amy lately? You guys are so much to unpack. I haven't even processed. Huh. Oh. I got in the car. It was one of those where I just got in the car, very grateful, heart very heavy, very grateful, very empowering, very tiring. And I got in the car and I didn't even want the air the sound of the fanom. I just drove and drank water and was like, okay, Like it's a lot my voyage of not trusting people or men, right, right? Did you do MDR today? I did a lot of big MDAR. If I could frame it for you guys, I would frame it. Maybe by next week I can frame it it was just a lot. Well let's put a little pin pin in that one because we can. Yeah, something came up. I had therapy yesterday with Amy and I cried a lot. I cried, but it was something where yeah, it was just hard. So anything else, Nope, we'll pin it too. Let's pin it. Let's pin it. It's a lot to digest, like that's the hardest part and a lot of like big revelations. But then also just like, holy cow, I'm writing a note for for ourselves to unpin therapy talk. Yeah, therapy, but we're gonna switch gears because we have Heidi Pratt coming on and I know you were a big Hills watcher. I was. I watched uh some of it. I was a Laguna Hills. Yeah, you know, we have Jason Waller coming on, like he's gonna be sitting on the couch with us. It's not crushy how I feel. It's just I get excited Jason. Yeah, definitely not crushy. No no, no, you're married, right. But I mean also, even if I never had a cry, I don't have a lot of celebrity crush It's fun. Fact, do you have one? I had Matthew McConaughey, who I did too the greatest, And then I heard he was stinky stinky. I didn't believe whatever, It's probably just a rumor, but I needed something to break my healthy obsession, so that was fine. Can we just say something about the natural deodor and thing for a second. It doesn't work well, So I'm really stinky, Like I'm a naturally stinky person. I still have like PTSD from X because I was He'd like, I'm like, I know, I just feel like I never like so I'd always like I know, I'd literally never noticed it all the time. Like he I don't know, maybe he just like hated me so much, but like I like even my sense disgusted him. But like, I mean that was like to the point where like Alan's like you always smell so good, and I'm in my mind, I'm like, are you just saying that because I stink, Like because I'm just so ingrained that, like I have a bad odor or something. So I'm like constantly like putting on deodor and like all the time. And um So, but there was this girl that worked, do't I don't I say this? She was um at the house helping and she wore a natural doutor. And again, some natural deodorants might work for some people, but a lot of times if you have that stink, what I've noticed is you're just gonna it's gonna come out like pregnant. I it's work well, and so yeah, and so I smell and I'm like, it's to the point where you can't even You're like, like you can't breathe. And it's like and I'm very like smelly sensitive. And Jason's the same thing. He's like, mom, what stinks? And I'm like, But then when the person link sits on my couch and puts their arm like I'm the thing, and I was like and I was done, and I had to I had to let the person go because I stunk. I couldn't say, like, can you put on deodorant? How do how do you have that conversation. It's interesting to me when people can't smell themselves. I smell myself when I'm stinky, and then I usually I would say, oh, I'm probably stinky. I'm so paranoid about it. I'm not even that stinky. Really, I just do my thing, and you will not me doing natural deodorant because I have just I tried every single one of them. I did three years natural deodorant. None of it works for me my body chemistry. Yeah, well that just went. Whyever we even get to deodorant. Matthew McConaughey was not stinky. I don't know that Pert ever smelled him in real life. Given the opportunity, I would have loved the opportunity at once upon a time. But do you have a celebrity crush? I used to owe him and he's talked about that. But I don't have a whole lot either. Yeah, it takes a lot for me. Yeah, well, anybody anyways, moving on, we're gonna get heidion. She married her celebrity crush, she sure did, and we're gonna talk all things. Well. Hello, hey girl, Hey did you just get didn't work out? You're in your cute little like matching yoga set. Thank you. I'm trying to get it in, but it's hard with feeding and running around with this baby. And how's the baby now? He's four months? Are you sleeping? I'm more than with Gunner. So if I get like two hours straight three, I'm good. It's crazy how we get so sleep deprived that I feel like once we can get like a good two or three hour chunk, then we start to feel like we could run for office. Like it's like I got it, no big deal. Spencer's like, oh, I woke up once last night. I'm like, who are you talking to? Hi? What do you mean? That's when I say to my husband, respectfully, stop talking. Stop talking, girl. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. So a funny story we like, and you will not remember this, but we met. Oh god, how many years ago is that? I mean god, I'm sam almost forty. I was like maybe twenty four, Like I mean a long, long, long, long time ago. We were at some club on sunset. It was you and Spencer, and then someone set me and Brody up on a blind date. So we're at this dinner and it was like the worst. You were so sweet, but it was the worst blind date ever with me and Brody, Like the absolute worst, and the worst thing about it was Probably one of my most embarrassing moments was that night, because I was like, just we were not vibing at all, and I'm like, he said he said something to me. I was like, that's it, I'm leaving. But there were mirrors on the walls. Okay, so I kind of get up in what we had already finished our dinner, right and like you guys were like somewhere or whatever. We were sitting out like in a booth area or whatever, and he had said something to me, and I was like whatever, Like I'm out of here. So I go marching towards the exit sign. Well, little do I know, the exit sign walks me right in. It's the reflection. It was all a mirror, and so I slam I walk right into like a mirror. It's horrible. Was that it was the one lacross from like the Shell station on like Laurel Canyon, was the one right on the right set. So when you'd come, if you're coming away from the valley, knows the other one like the other privilege privilege, yeah or whatever, Like it was like that was, oh my gosh, it was so embarrassing. And that's the last I saw of you or not did you just turn around and walk the other way. I did not look back to see if someone saw me. Oh, but I'm pretty sure someone saw me walk right into that mirror. I felt like I was in a funny house, Like I was thinking that a fun house. Fun house, yeah, funny whatever, fun Okay, But the transition to two have you found it to be difficult or where are you at? Because I struggled with the transition to two And how old is Gunner? Let's start there, Okay, So Gunner is five, which I was at first really concerned that he got to be too far of an age difference because my sister and I are three years and I wanted them to kind of kind of like grow up closer and to have each other in the house longer. But five years has been great. I can't imagine having him younger because Gunner is a lot, but you know, like he wants so much of our attention and we've given it to him so much for five years, and writer he's fitting right in. So I think when he gets a little older and there's more of a schedule, it will be great. But this newborn stage has been a little challenging, and Spencer's really stepped out and been so great at doing a lot with Gunner. But I feel guilty that I'm not there as much with him, because like I'm the one who woke up with him all the time, and I'm the one who would make sure to put him to bed last. And you know, I just had so much in my life revolving around Gunner. So Gunner's done a really good job transitioning. But I feel like for me, it's just it is hard being fouled in the two directions. But I love it too, It's sure, it's I love chaos and challenges obviously, Well girl, I mean you've lived You've lived a lot of that very publicly, right, so I feel like you're probably an expert on it. And I'm curious, like with all the you know, new streaming platforms and you know, the people doing the podcast and talking about the hills, and it is it hard for you to have to kind of hear or relive things or you kind of like whatever, that's the past and this is who I am today, and like, I'm not going to let that affect where I've gone. I think it's both because obviously, when you're doing like a recap of a show, you're kind of having to like go back and live things and moments that you wouldn't. But in my everyday life it doesn't affect me because I have the friends that I have, I have my marriage. I mean, we've been together for sixteen years. You know, we have two kids. I have a great family, so my everyday life, it doesn't affect me. But then when sometimes people bring it up where you have to talk about certain things, obviously God brings it up. Are you pregnant? I am so pregnant. I feel so extra pregnant in this moment. Actually, I feel stuck in my body. Is it obvious that I'm stuck in my body hiding because I I wouldn't even know unless you were rocking and holding your stomach, because from here pregnant at all. But then I'm seeing the rocking and well, the baby is like really in this moving stage that I just feel like one of us is dedicated to you and the other one of us is having a full blown party in my abdomen. So I'm trying so hard congraduations. We're not finding out it's our third So this has been really fun, but I'm it's interesting because I have a four year old boy. Janna and I our girls are three weeks apart and our boys are three months apart, so we live very similar life. So I need her to catch up with me and get on the third quickly. So we're not so distant, but my son will be almost five. So it's interesting to hear you talk about Gunner like, you know, because they are like the little loves of our lives. My daughter is older and I'm obsessed with my son, and I just can't imagine having another boyfriend. So that's got to open your heart in a different way. It's so true. This morning, Spencer said something. He was like, you're not stressing me out or whatever, because he just got his blood taken and he's like too stressed out. And I was like, you know, that's an internal conversation. I don't mean you like saying that I am stressing you out and that you're not stressed out and anyway, right or Gunner goes up and punches Spencer and it's like, don't talk to my mom like that. That's right, and in my mind and I try to be like, I don't think you just stick up for me, but thank you. And I was like this form, I'm not saying anything, Just get in the car, thank you. I love you. Come that's right. I'll be his client. That's fine. I love it with you, with you and Spencer, you know, being married for sixteen years, so wait, that together for how long? Then together for sixteen, married for fourteen, Mary Fortune, sixteen fortune. Okay, but I feel like when you guys got married, there was so much like, oh, this isn't gonna last. So now that you hit like your fourteen are you kind of like middle finger to people? I always felt that way. So I always felt like I had nothing to prove with Spencer, and I just, you know, I understand why people have thought that way because on camera, and we were paid to have like a very tumultuous relationship on camera, and so I see why people thought that. But our real life was just so different. So I knew our real relationship that we had, like I would never have put up with any of that. I would never have been in a relationship or like my fiance is flirting with a girl in the club, you know, like I have a zero tolerance policy. So in real life it was just completely different. So it's almost like we went on camera, you know, which obviously you're an actress and you guys know, you know, it's it's kind of acting, but then it bleeds into your real life with people thinking that, and then you're really kind of like that, well too far, You know. So anyways, it was a balance. But my real life, I always how we were and how I felt, and I just knew it was a one time soulmate marriage that we would you know, we'd have forever. So I just always felt that way. But what area do you guys struggle in the most? Like when you're like, oh, we keep coming back to this one issue. Parenting is definitely tricky, you know. It just takes your relationship to a whole new level. So it's like, well, not only do I need to confront you about this, I have to advocate for this little child, you know. And you both want the right thing, and you both have different ways of doing things. You know. I'm from a small town in Colorado with my mom who is like very strict, zero policy, you know, and Spencer wants to be fun dad. And then when you're fun dad, the child doesn't give you the same amount of respect that they're getting long because I am not going to take things, you know. So he's like he only listens to you, and I'm like, well, maybe you should not be so fun. And also parent is the most challenging. But I had to have a conversation when we first became parents, and it becomes more relevant every year, is that we're the team. We have some kind of division, we need to talk about it later or something like that, but for the benefit of our child too, like we need to stand together. And he's really come around to that. That's great. Spencer is fun dad. Fun dad is really into hummingbirds. Can we talk about it at all? Are we just not gonna do that? I mean, I'm fascinated watching these videos, Like no, it's crazy, like what is he doing? He's like a whisperer. What is he even doing? Heidi? You know, it was actually it's like a divine intervention because when I found out that I was pregnant, we had one hummingbird at our old house. We found this hummingbird nest and it was so symbolic, like, oh, we're having a baby and we just found this nest. And then one got eaten and one lived and we had to rescue the hummingbird and it was this whole thing. And then we moved here and there were a lot of hummingbirds at this house, and so Spencer already knew so much about them, and he makes hummingbird nectar every day, which is sugar water because the red dyet is poisonous for them actually like kills them. So he makes it fresh every day and then they just come and then he goes out there with his feeders and they love it. And now Gunner's in on it. It's like a whole operation. White you're up too, I know, it's like a whole thing. And you never and they get in the house and then you have to like capture the hummingbird, but the right way, and it's like, it's just it's the way I don't know about them in the house. It's interesting because I was a hills watcher, so Spencer was always the villain. Yeah, And I'm like, oh, well, you just can't they get they all have to shut up now because I always the hummingbird whisper. It's like you, I mean, what is more opposite day than the villain the guy that's literally holding hummingbird babies in his hand like he obviously has good energy. The hummingbirds are Yeah, so we shut that down. I love it. Do you do you even like talking about the hills um Yes and no. I think that love the ad by the way. I appreciate the and I've got an ant I have an ampersand on it because I always think that it's not a butt, it's always an ant and I love you, love your ants totally thank you for the acknowledgment. I strategically also use the ants. Yeah, it's a twofold. It's tricky because people are so team Lauren and they're kind of brainwashed to like, no matter what she did, there was never a problem, and I was the bad guy and that's how it was. So it's really ingrained in a lot of people's mind. But then interestingly enough, with TikTok and all this new generation, a lot of people watch it with a different perspective and they're like, whoa, who is this Lauren girl? And you know, it's definitely changed it. And then also it's hard with Spencer because I understand why people get worked up or think the way that they did because it was such a fake relationship. I mean, like some things in the beginning were real, like you know, real relationships have rockyness. Thank god they didn't show me being like a player also because as I totally was, And it just gets tricky. But at the same time, I'm so thankful over the Hills and it was such a blessing, and I met the love of my life. And I'll always have a place in my heart for Lauren, and I appreciate the friendship we did have and what she did do for me and letting me be on our show. So it was such a fun moment in time, and also it was very challenging. Sure, if there's I mean, you know, obviously it's not good to have regrets, right, but if there's, is there a moment that you can go back to and go, I really wish I would have done this differently, or I wouldn't have done or you know, not do this. I wish I never brought my family on the hills. We should have had a no family policy. I didn't see that happening the way it did. It just caused a lot of miscommunication between like my mom and I and my sister and I because the producers would tell you one thing and then you'd all kind of go in with the plan. I'm like, Okay, yeah, you can say this, and you know, because in real life, my mom loves Spencer and there was never a problem. But then when we started like acting out that she didn't like him, then it was kind of like, wait a minute, Mom, why did you say that? And she's like, I don't said to say something, and then it caused it's actual turmoil when there was no problem, and then it just led to a lot of unnecessary, real hurts. So I think that if I could do one thing, it would have just been not including It was tricky though, because the producers were like, well, you guys don't have a storyline and you're not going to get paid, and you're not going to be on the show because no one will film with you because Laurence told all the casts not to film with you guys anymore. So you've got to bring your mom on and or find something. So I was just put in a hard position, especially at twenty and not having a good not having an Asian manager, lawyer, not anyone. I mean, Spencer was my soundboard. I'm like, okay, what are we complaying? You know, So it was hard not having a team or anyone to help guide us through that time. Right as you were saying that, I question him. To my mind, I'm like, do I ask it? Because if someone asked me the question, I would have a hard time. I don't know if i'd answer it. As well, from being on a show, right, So it's like I think back to, like, you know, one of my shows that I was on, if there was a person from that show that you'd be fine with never talking to ever again, Like the one person that you were like would would never want to talk to again and be like totally fine with it, Like if there was one that you could say, I mean, I'm fine with never talking to a few people. One is there a narrowing people out? I know that's the thing. I was like, what I even narrow that because it's like I know mine, like you know, and so it's like it's interesting because it's like it's not it's not even like a mean girl thing. It's just like I choose to not let that kind of come into my life again and cause or me to feel X Y and Z and you were both like twenty doing the shows, like it's a different lifetime. Who's yours. We'll see. I've got a few I like, I know I do I have I do have one from from from One Tree Hill, But I should answer it, yeah, answer I know. I never if she did, I would, oh, she's going to show. I'd be fine never ever talking to um A few people on that show. So Lauren, I'm fine with never talking to Lauren again. We have gone our separate ways. Our lives are completely different. Um, so much has happened. I'm fine with never talking to her again. I'm fine with not talking to her little minions again, like, um, you know right, been there, So I'm fine with that. I'm fine with you know, I love Kristen Cavalary, so thankfully I do talk to her. Um. Yeah, and the reboot, I'd be fine not talking to like Ni Like most the cast, I sortly fine. I'm gonna take us to a healthier place. Okay, all right. I tried giving her and I tried to rescue this night. Is there anyone that you knew super super well during filming that you are like most proud of the person they are today? Good? Good question. Um. I love Jen Bunny. She and I have been my best friends since I was nineteen. We had a very similar thing like falling out with Lauren, and Lauren you know, kind of cut her off and gave, you know, treated her in a really unfair way, especially being best friends since they were in like preschool. Um, and she has become like a doctor and an incredible mom. I mean, she has all these accolades and I actually she has like a book coming out. So she's one of my closest friends. And I was so proud of her for the life that she did. She went to USC, She's incredibly smart, she's so sweet, she's a great wife, great mom. So I'm very proud of her. I like that. It's interesting to me to have you frame it. I don't want to pot start here, but this is something I've never quite heard it put this way that it was Lauren's show. Oh yeah, well wasn't it. Well never I would just see like some well it was obviously a main character. I don't know that like the viewers really saw it. No, we didn't see it. Like to me, you were just as much a main character as Lauren was as Audrina, Like you know what I mean, Like there was some of it was more dominantly obviously spaced towards her and times, but like, I remember you just as much as I remember her. But I'm going to back it up though, for you sex in the City who shows it. Wow, that's hard for me because we all know how Bradshaw I am. So I'm saying, so it's like she's like the Bradshaw of the Hills because I look at it and go, wait a minute, No, I didn't watch the show religiously. I saw some episodes, and I would say that she was the main character. Interesting. Yeah, so she was the narrator. It was her spin off I'm gonna be all about Lauren, and that was part of that's true. I guess that was part of the problem when we all had to start having more storylines, like, it wasn't supposed to be that way. It wasn't supposed to be like half the show about Spencer and I half the show about Lauren. And that became a problem for her and her team too. They're like, this is Lauren's show. And at a point MTV was like, well, you know, because Lauren's like, I'm going to quit the show, um if Heidie and Spencer are on it. And I think that was season three and so MTV told her to walk and they're like, well, a show without Heidie and Spencer anymore. And that became a really big division in within the show. Well, that's jealousy anytime you're done with ego. That's I mean, that's because she wasn't bringing enough of the what drama or whatever it was. I mean, that's her own, Like I would say, we all remember the mascara dripping moment. I well remember, And that was what was so unfortunate, is like I'm such a team player and I'm such a best friend rider die that I just want like the best for everyone, you know, And I don't know. I wasn't in her position, and it wasn't my show and I wasn't the narrator. But I'm just not really like that. So when she was like you need to stop dating Spencer and like all these hard things that started happening, I was like, wait a minute. You had a boyfriend that I didn't like that I had to live with for a year, and I would never have said to you like stop dating him, or we're not going to be friends or I don't want to hear about him. I'm like, that's the time you need me the most as a friend. That's when I need to step up. That's when you need your girl, That's when you need a shoulder to cry on at any time. Like I'm here for you whenever. However much time you want to spend with him, that's great, And I would stay at the apartment like half the time and really strategically make sure to have time with her because she did just go through a huge breakup a few months before, and you know, she was going through a hard time or you know, had just had gone through a hard time. So I spent like half my first Valentin's Dave with Spencer with Lauren, and she was still mad at me, and I was like, this is getting out of control, Like I'm sorry, There's not much more I can do at this point, and she just it was really unfortunate, and I was like, I didn't even think you were like this, and you know, that's that was the real division in our friendship, and so on cameras she started like kind of doing things and saying things and I had no idea. She was saying to MTV like I don't want hide on the show anymore and stuff like that. So it was unfortunate, the whole fallout of our friendship. And I know we were young and things like that, but it just I would never have been a friend like that to her. Sure, that's tough. That's I'm curious. Like with forgiveness too. We were talking about this one of our episodes, like where what's your stance on it, Like do you think is it forgetting? Like do you forgive or like what? Yeah? Yeah, And I think forgiveness is more for yourself, you know, Like I have love for Laura, and I really do. I appreciate all the time that we had. And you know, there's other people in my life too that I've hurt me as much or more than her. And it's all about moving forward in life because forgiveness only makes you feel bad. I'm sure that person doesn't even care anymore, you know. So I think forgiveness is super important for yourself. And you know, obviously I mean not obviously, but I also I am a Christian. I'm pretty spiritual, and I think that it's just a good thing to do, and I want to teach my kids to be that way and I want to model that myself. And sometimes forgiveness is constant. It's not like a one time, Oh I forgive you and now everything's fine. Like sometimes you get those feelings again and you get angry and you have to pray about it or talk about it or what meditate however people do, and it's like, Okay, actually I wish that person the best. I'm going to let that go. Maybe they're hurt, there's other things going on. So I think forgiveness is one of the most important parts of life, and it helps you to move forward in other relationships and it helps just it only helps what also factories, you know, boundaries are also really good. So with forgiveness does come boundaries, right, We're a big fan of boundaries in the share what do you do when you get stuck? Like how does Heidi? How does Heidie get out of a rut? When you know you're down about something or motherhood or things didn't even get that you know, show you on it, or like what do you what do you do to go okay? Like I'm gonna be okay. I'm very big into prayer, so even if it's like two minutes, so I'll just go pray about it. I think crying is great, I think so baptisting to cry and let it out, but just to take those that time, even with the kids, Like if I'm getting frustrated or i feel like, you know, if Gunner's having a tantrum and Rikers crying and Spencer saying something, I'm just like need to take a deep breath, let this out of my body, Like when you start feeling it, it's just time to kind of a little so care. So I think quick self care is an important thing because sometimes you don't have ten minutes to yourself. You know, it's like, okay, you just need thirty seconds to breathe. What is your top self care at this point? Like I know your postpartum, You're you've got five year old Gunner, You've got Spencer, who is a character in himself, Like, you've got a lot, You're living in a frat house essentially, So tell me, tell me if you get like five to ten minutes, we're praying, like is it running? Is it? Like? What is what is it for you? Right now? That just feels like okay. Back to Heidi. My favorite thing to do is be a nature So for me, it's like taking the dogs on a walk is the best because we live right by a trail and I can just like be up in the mountains quickly, So that is really important for me. I try to do that every day. Also, I can take Gunner up there and then he's like playing with sticks and trees, and then I can also just like look at the clouds and relax and right you're sleeping on me, so that's important for me. It's just being outside even for a little bit, and then I only get a short amount of prayer time, so I just try to do that even for like two minutes a day. But like you're saying right now, self cares, it's a little tricky. I'm trying to work out again, too, So three days a week, I'm trying to work out with a trainer and have that time, and I have a babysitter come because I don't want to rely on Spencer being able to deal with the baby crying because he like freaks out. So I'm like, all right, I don't need to deal with you and a baby crying and trying to work out, So self care sometimes it's just having someone come hold the baby. That preventative. It's preventative resentment disorder, is what I'm trying to. Like, I hire the help so I don't have to depend on you, so I can keep liking you and I can still work out. Okay, right, I'm with you. I can't remember if I said this on the show or I know I said it in therapy, but I've been struggling lately with prayer because I've been kind of, you know, frustrated with certain things like work wise, and so someone I think it was my therapist, she was like, you know, just asked like she's like, be really direct with your prayer with God. And so I I went up to my new house that's being built and I was standing there and you know, I started to pray. But then when I when I was praying, I was like, hey, God, like you know God, like I really like I would love this. But then I start I switched and I told my therapist. I was like, I stopped praying because but then I was like because I said, but I'm so grateful for my kids, and it's like I'm so grateful for this, And so then I felt bad asking for something because I've already been blessed with so much. So I'm like, how ungrateful am I? Then I'm asking for something even more when you've blessed me with this. So then I just spent like fifteen minutes like fighting myself and then be like all right, well whatever, like just do you just do you when you want to do you? And then like I was like it's gonna be on your time anyways, Okay, cool, Bye, like, but thanks for everything, like did you even talk to me? Because it feels like you had a one side of conversation. But I like was really battling with like asking for like you know, asking God for it, but then also like being like, but thank you so much for everything you've given me. So then I felt bad asking for more, like you how greedy of you? But then my therapist goes, well, why do you feel like you don't deserve more? And then I started like crying. That was like my you know, my whole belief, like well I don't I don't deserve the happy ending. I don't get the happy ending, like that just doesn't happen, like something will fall through, something will like not work like. And then she's like, but what if you can you can be grateful and also ask for more too, and so I yeah, and and but I would really like have found myself struggling with that, like with prayer. You know, sometimes I have been there myself, and also God has like convicted my heart sometimes to not ask for things, like I've gone to prayer and I'm like, all right, I need to ask for this. And then sometimes like when I have felt it as you're saying it's felt not right, Like, wait a minute, maybe I just need to pause and be in a season or just have a few days of gratitude and then come back to it. So I've also done that. I'm like, okay, Actually, God just convicted me in January. He was like, just do a month of gratitude prayers. Because I always ask, I'm a big asker. I'm like, all right, Lord, oh maybe we're not lottery. Does I want it? And I'll do good things? You know? You know, so I'm like my mom nade the new house, come on talking. So I can't handle you. But sometimes also God has convicted me, like why don't you just take a few days or even like this moment and just relax and just grateful Because what God can work on in your heart with just gratitude sometimes leads you to a different ask. Right, So maybe whatever you're asking needs to be tweaked a little bit and by going back to gratitude and just praising and like I'll be like, thank you for my toes, thank you for the air and the oxygen. Thank you we're not having a new heal or war right now, you know, thank you. My kids have food, so sometimes it is those bags six that God just works on your heart in mysterious ways, Right, That's what's so cool about God, Like we don't know why he does things or what we're supposed to pray for. But sometimes it's just also an inner peace, Like maybe you're not having peace while you're asking for something and He just needs like to It's like an adjustment with a chiropractor. Maybe just needs to crack this little thing and then have you come an hour later. Maybe it's a few days later. I don't know, but I think that's interesting. Like when you're starting to feel conflicted with prayer, I think that's because that's God. Sometimes it's just like be still, like I am God, I got this, I know what you want. I have something better coming for you. So maybe I don't know, but it is always interesting to me. I love that, and thank you for speaking on it too. I love we Actually the guest before you on another episode we just talked about her faith, and it's just I love that people are talking about it. So I like conversational prayer too. That's something like I think we miss. I think we've think it has to be so officially started, so officially ending and so like I'll just be in my kitchen and I'm just like I feel sad, and I don't even necessarily ask for anything. I'm just like I want to tell you because I know you know, but also just because I want you to like do whatever, like so it's just like kind of conversational. I'm not it's like all day. I actually learned that when I was going through my divorce because I felt like lonely and I was like I kind of want to date God, which sounds weird, but then I would just be like, all right, what do I want to have for like, you know, just like kind of conversational and it feels a little less official, and then you don't feel like you have to request anything or maybe pinpoint of feeling and you can just say like this is it, like the beautiful surrender over and over again. I'm totally with you on that, Like Jesus is my best friend. That's how I feel, you know. And it says like like you're saying, I always am like the love of my life, You're the lover of my soul because nobody knows me deeper and more real and less judgmental, Like that's the thing I don't with Christianity or any spirituality. People are like so critical of it. It's like you're missing the whole point. It's not to be judgmental and critical like you're missing it, Like what on one, maybe go work on yourself there, but like maybe start a genesis. I don't know. Jecking got me okay on a major projections. I got something going on with God. Okay, we got our own deal here. But I'm with that all day. I'm just like, all right, God, help me find a parking spot, like I have this praper park. I'm like, however, I'm going through it like it doesn't happen Diesel official. It's more like a relationship. It's just like your friend hanging out with you. You know. I love it. Well, Heidi, thank you so much for coming on. I adore you. So. I'm glad we've met now in this stage of our lives and not me running into mirrors, mirror, not baby bird Janna hitting the mirror. I cannot wait to bring this up to Brodie too. I'm gonna go yeah, buddy, yeah, and we're all in better places for what was so nice. Thank you guys for having me on and anytime you want mom talk anything, I'm fully here so I love it precious, all right, Thanks girl, appreciate you. Bye okay by girl hie girl

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