After Kelly’s conversation with Dr. Frank Spinelli, she and Chip couldn’t stop thinking about one question: what’s the difference between guilt, shame, and embarrassment, and why do so many of us confuse them?

This week, they unpack the ideas that stuck with them most, including where shame has shown up in their own lives, how it can quietly keep us playing small, and why the need to belong makes shame such a powerful force. They also discuss why shame has been used as a form of social control throughout history and what it looks like to move toward more self-acceptance instead.

And because it’s Kelly and Chip, they also somehow end up talking about their travel outfits and a few other completely unrelated things along the way.

Preorder Dr. Spinelli's book The Shame Compass or his website here. (FrankSpinelli.com)

Dr. Spinelli's Instagram: @fspineellimd

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